demonstration descaling cast iron pipe 4 in
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- Descaling cast iron with a Durable DM30 utilizing the C60MSJ. injunction with a 11/16" x 100' hollow core sewer cable is recommended. Superior descaling with no to very little hydro jetting required when done.
Avg. time to descale 100' of 4" cast iron 1hr.
How it works:
The Duracable DM30 machine is always in motion with a drum rotation of only 205 rpm. The secrete to this technic is to allow the cable to wind up for about 3 seconds and then using the PCFR (power feeder) pulling back on the cable to release the stored up energy with more power and speed than that of a high speed chain descaling machine.
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Great job!!! Learned something new here! That will make the cast iron last a lot longer for sure!
Thank you
Is in necessary. Those scales are like a corrosive barrier wall that protects the core of the pipe wall.
It will grow back those scales pretty fast, and now will just have a thinner pipe wall more prone to cracking.
Nolan you have a excellent comment. Thank you.
Your are 100% correct that the scale protects the pipe.
I had been descaling cast iron pipe for 25 plus years and I didn't remove all the scale from the wall of the pipe but would leave a thine barrier remaining. Most of the waste lines I descaled were problem waste lines that descaling resolved.
The point is to smooth out the scale build-up which is smoother than new cast iron pipe. The result is a sewer line that has a smoother flow line.
Once I have descaled a waste line I would do a semi-annul or annul maintenance. The vast majority of the cast iron waste lines I have descaled never had problems again and were in good working order when I sold my business 8 years ago.
I can't answer your comment on how fast the scale grows back but I can tell you that a year later the pipe looked like I last left it.
The maintenance was about a yearly cleaning and video inspection to ensure that the pipe was not compromised.
Sounds like you got it down to a science👍🏼 Good job
No space monkey descale then line it problem solved
@ Tony Norris you’d have to be a donkey to think lining a brand new cast iron pipe is a good idea worth the cost .
I was interested in buying your speed cut shafts would you know the going rate to descale a sewer line by foot
Chain flail works so much better!
Chains are definitely easier and more accessible. The SpeedCut came into existence out of necessity because using this older technique isn't easy to do, and it isn't as versatile . The advantage to the triple blade is that it makes a much smoother pipe wall when done, so if you are spray lining then it comes highly recommended. Having chains spin at faster speeds can accomplish a similar finish, and they are easier to use, that's why the SpeedCut 3200rpm system exists.
I have a cast iron pipe that I got freed up some with aqua jetting but its not free flowing enough, is there a power tool attachment like this or similar to this tool? I have access to the blockage about 6 to 8 inches straight into the pipe blockage.
Yes there are. It would be best call us at (714) 453-9760 so I know how best to help you.
Serious question, but what's the point of this? These cast iron pipes look to be in great shape compared to some of the abominations I've seen over the years ... you could probably get another 20-30 years easy if not more out of them. Seems there's only downside to doing this, you could puncture a thin section of pipe, mess up an ancient lead and oakum joint, etc.
How much does this service cost on average
Depends on the length of the pipes you need descaled. But to give a rough estimate, 100 ft. Can be up to $5,000
Thats insane i would never pay that much to do something that might break the pipe. I would rather spend 10K to get new pipe. @@A.Marq.
they should show this video in the colonoscopy waiting room
I'm going to have nightmares after seeing this now-!, but my flue will be clean!
Can you imagine being a sewer rat and seeing this coming at you ? 😂
I've had rats jump out of the pipe. It's pretty funny...
Need this done what’s that head called
Have you ever lost the cutting head doing this
Good Question and one I have been asked may times.
Not in the 20 plus years I've been using tri-blades nor am I aware of any customers that have purchased them from us.
Is this only for straight runs and do you usually use water with this method?
Definitely use water and turns are not a problem. I don't have any videos making 1/4 bend turns but the video does show a 1/8 bend. Look at the beginning and notice how the blade set is rounded (ball shaped).
Before chains this is how I cleaned (de-scaled) pipe. From wall c/o's , floor c/o's and closet flanges. It's was the only tool I knew of that would scrape the walls clean.
I started with Spartan triple blades before I discovered Duracable. Spartan blades are thinner and more flexible and can easier in some cases regarding turns and back to back toilets but they are not as heavy duty as the Duracable blade set.
I need to make a video cleaning from back to back toilets which is possible most of the time but not every time. I've demonstrated this a few yours ago cleaning 3" but didn't record it. Should of, could of...
High speed chain cutters like our SpeedCut are definitely faster but triple blades still have a place and purpose. Triple blades are just another tool to keep in you tool chest when needed.
Thank you for your question.
Can I ask your opinion on something?
@@chrisreynolds2410 Sure. If you want you can call (714) 453-9760 ask for John
I just saw the reply now but will screenshot your number.
I’m bout 2 months into my new drain cleaning biz and have no experience other than the jobs I landed and I watched a million youtube vids.
I actually ordered a new tool last night it was a Ridgid K1500 with inch and a quarter cable and can run up to 200’…..and thoughts on the machine or advice I should know…
I think the cable is called c14 and stiffer than c11 cable….do you think 1.25” cable is too big and won’t navigate bends?
@@chrisreynolds2410
Your question is not a simple one to answer via a reply. A drum machine cable and a sectional machine cable are very different. I could write a whole chapter explaining their differences.
The cable I'm using is a Duracable 11/16" and can clean 3"-6" sewer lines up to 300ft. The 1.25" is more flexible but it is not strong enough to descale with the triple blade as in the video. I'm not saying your purchase choice is wrong, just a very different cable than what was used in the video.
Best way to answer is for you to call us (714) 453-9760 ask for John
How much you charge
Price is $68 for 3in - 6in tri-blades. If you would like a quote for the whole setup, please give us a call or drop us an email! 714.453.9760 sales@epls-usa.com
$150 per hour, 3 hour min.
@Brian p I've used the mini miller and maxi miller. We have our own version called SpeedCut see ua-cam.com/video/vqPxhgxtJSg/v-deo.html
So..... I’m curious as to why you aren’t running a shit ton of water...
Good Question. I would've have preferred to go down stream and run a little water to carry most of the scale with the triple-blade.
I don’t understand the benefits to this procedure. The pipe looks completely clear. How is scraping a little debris off the walls helpful.
This particular job was a training class I was asked to do for a relining contractor.
The waste line was not in the worst condition but shows how well a triple-blade de-scales and how blades build up and release power.
Looks like it would work great on soft poop stoppages
Soft grease stoppages for sure . The trick is to bend the blades inward and use the cup shape to push the grease forward. Similar to the rag trick but the rag trick can be tricky
You think that’s bad you should try the hotdog trick.
I’ll have my wife show ya.
@@chrisreynolds2410 good job poop
How much price for a machine.
Durable DM30 is what I used with a 100ft of 11/16" cable $2,898.81
It’s no better to run water thru it?
Normally I would have just went from a end of the line clean out and ran water.
Where are you located?
1330 W Collins Ave. Orange, CA 92867 Phone (714) 453-9760
Hence using pvc or abs for drainage
Only if all waste lines were plastic pipe, but unfortunately their not and many areas still require cast iron in commercial buildings. LA and Orange County in CA for example where I live.
Chicago if not mistaken still requires lead and oakum joints. No-hub is not allowed
What happens when it pops out the side
The appearance of a triple blade is intimidating. I get it. I find a triple blade to run smoother than a double blade (c-cutter) and I've never gotten a triple blade stuck. If the bottom of the pipe is broken a triple blade will pass over that section
A triple blade stays inside and will pass over broken sections of pipe, unlike a c-cutter that can drop through the bottom of a pipe.
When I use a triple blade in 4" I use a 4" triple blade. 3" I use a 3" blade. The largest triple blade I had for a sewer cable was 8" for my 1" sectional machine. The largest triple blade I owned was a 15" for a my 5/16" sectional rodder.
A triple blade stays inside and will pass over broken sections of pipe, unlike a c-cutter that can drop through the bottom of a pipe.
I've never gotten a triple blade stuck in all my
That looks like a 6 inch pipe, not 4. I use those cutters all the time and the cone with three blades starts at 6 inches. A 4 inch blade is much different as it only has 2 cutting blades, not 3. How do I know this? I work for roto rooter...
It's a 4". The video camera was a rausch mc30 DUO.
Duracable and Roto Rooter sell the same triple blade set. The C60M (Duracable PN) has the set pins. If you need the Rotot Rooter PN I can get it for you.
I work for Roto-Rooter as well. We Get 3 inch cone chucks. Your branch just orders doubles cuz they're cheaper
@@EPLSolutionsInc duracable & Roto-Rooter machines are made in the same factory. Durable is just Roto-Rooter machines that they sell to the public under a different name
@@EskelatorThePlumber we have cone chucks for 6" lines and up. We deal with many issues in my area due to old plumbing that isn't to code. it's much easier to get doubles into these lines. We also do not have any outside cleanouts.
@@EskelatorThePlumber Made by Roto-Rooter for Duracable. Roto-Rooter and Duracable are different companies owned by a larger corporation. Some of the best machines I have ever used...
Idk this seems to risky . what if pipe is cracked. I rather use chains
I'm repeating a reply I did for John Dorado below but have to add that we created our own chain cutter machine called SpeedCut. Our chain cutting experience is different than others. SpeedCut it has a max rotational speed of 3200 rpm and our cable was designed to be extended when needed. SpeedCut cuts through a liner in 20 seconds using standard chains for example
Both chains and blades have a purpose and I found if the top of the pipe is broken I would use chains. If the bottom is broken I would finish up with a triple blade. A triple blade will easily round the bottom of the pipe. All this is with the assumption that a liner is to be installed.
Reply to John Dorado...
The appearance of a triple blade is intimidating. I get it. I find a triple blade to run smoother than a double blade (c-cutter) and I've never gotten a triple blade stuck. If the bottom of the pipe is broken a triple blade will pass over that section
A triple blade stays inside and will pass over broken sections of pipe, unlike a c-cutter that can drop through the bottom of a pipe.
When I use a triple blade in 4" I use a 4" triple blade. 3" I use a 3" blade. The largest triple blade I had for a sewer cable was 8" for my 1" sectional machine. The largest triple blade I owned was a 15" for a my 5/16" sectional rodder.
@@EPLSolutionsInc Ohhh I see I was always spectical about using blades. I love chains better because you can adjust it. We always use chains and do a process called coating for cast iron
@@alexmeneses8008 I know chains have a wider range for adjustment but blades are flexible and adjustable as well. I show my customers how to resize blades 1/4"- 1/2" smaller or larger all the time.
Think of a blade as another tool in the tool chest, you may find them very useful.
How do those chains work for tree roots? Took me over an hour to clear roots from a line using a chain knocker where as my sewer snake with cutting blades takes 30 mins or less. Also, if you do cut a hole, the pipe was weak and in need of replacement anyways. A drain of any type should be able to withstand a cleaning. If it can't, it's deteriorated and needs to be replaced. I have personally dealt with over 100 broken sewer lines and almost all of them were cleared using a snake with cutting blades, the ones that weren't cleared were too far gone to be snaked.
@@thepooterrooter3917 I too have cleared many a tree root with a cable machine or a hydro jetter. Neither will break good pipe but will expose bad pipe.
That being said...
We've been asked to remove tree roots from owners of Maxi Miller and Maxi Miller + with our SpeedCut Machine.
Our SpeedCut is the best tool I've ever used to remove tree roots, mere moments. Our SpeedShaft cable can't be flipped. I don't have any root cutting video's posted but will have to find one
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@0:25 “you don’t think you may break that part?”
This is not a good way to descale. You run the risk, of getting stuck, blades can break and it doesn’t smooth out the line all that well. Look into a Picote chain flail! Thanks guys
Mario - I'm just trying to helpful here so please bear with me a moment.
I've been in the trade going on 39 yrs now and will never know everything, but what I do know I hope I can pass it on down to help others and I try to learn something new everyday as well.
Even an old dog can learn new tricks if it's willing.
I've never been stuck using this blade set. I've demonstrated how to go down back to back toilets with a triple blade. Triple blades are in essence a round ball and they roll down past turns. I also don't look at a 4" blade as 4 inches but less than or greater than. Meaning I re-size my blades all the time for the task I need to do.
Have you seen this video.. ua-cam.com/video/ADagEZAHWCY/v-deo.html
The pipe is a section a re-lining contractor brought in to our shop and asked if we could get it round. They spent a day de-scaling a 100 ft with a Maxi Power + along with a warthog nozzle (Harben hydro jetter). The triple blade finished the de-scaling
Final note...
I'm very familiar with Picote. Saw potential but wanted more speed, power and versatility so we made SpeedCut.
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That is not the right type of machine to use for descaling
Hi Daniel - I discovered triple blades long ago, this is how we how did it back in the 90's. Most plumbers have never seen or used a triple blade. I've personally cleaned (descaled) thousands of feet of pipe with a sewer machine. Chains did not exist back then and if they did we would have used them.
Keep an open mind, it's just another tool. Not as a sewer machine just simply clearing stoppages. A triple blade will pass over channel rot and descale 200 plus feet for two examples.
Chains would be my first choice as I discovered building our SpeedCut machine
but triple blades can do things chains can not. And visa versa