Maybe it's because I live in the Chicago suburbs, but I found this drive captivating. Thank you for a preview of what the rest of us will experience when 12.4.2 arrives to our cars.
I use FSD 99 percent of the time. I love it. I only manual drive when I want to go fast and have fun. I have crossed mountains, been through many cities. Sure there has been a few awkward moments, but overall it’s amazing. I am especially impressed during rain storms at night in cities. I can barely see, and the FSD usually does perfect. It’s so fun to be a part of history in the making.
@@DerekDavis213The crazy things FSD does are still safe. Just stupid. It seems the mapping and safety programming are the biggest hiccups at this point. I'd say we get FSD next year.
Thank you for these videos. I live in busy suburbs and got FSD 12.3 during the free trial. While it was technologically impressive, it just drove too awkward for higher traffic situations. Braking too early, and not keeping up with traffic when they do go was my main frustrations. Standard AP is better at that than FSD. It was only comfortable when it was late at night and I didn't feel like I was being a nuisance holding up traffic. I keep watching your videos with each release waiting for that version good enough to subscribe to. I really do want it, and I really appreciate you making these videos for us.
Humans: compared against “did I die?” FSD: compared against perfection. There’s definitely room for improvement, and always will be, but I regularly do 30+ mile drives across the suburbs, highway, and downtown without interventions (and only feel like a clown once or twice). I just wish it would pull out of my garage on its own and if there was an open parking spot at the destination it would automatically park there. In due time though.
FSD cannot even go in reverse, after *four* *years* in beta. And it often goes full speed over speed bumps. Also, it cannot understand many signs: DO NOT ENTER, ROAD CLOSED. FSD is years away from full autonomy .
@@DerekDavis213Sometimes I think it’s years and sometimes closer. But full autonomy is a long term goal. It works great right now. And it feels very close to a level where we dont need to pay attention but be ready to take over in 10 seconds (I think that is level 3) and that alone will be enough for most people. I honestly think it’s already safer than the average driver on the road.
@@aguyfromnothere _It works great right now_ Elan promised Self Driving eight years ago. So today, FSD does not work great. It doesn't work at all, if constant supervision is needed .
@@gsmith2520 FSD is a basic simpleminded assistant. Nothing like a human. There are videos on UA-cam that show FSD ignoring a DO NOT ENTER sign, and driving right down that street. If a human is not supervising, that could be a very bad thing .
I liked your video a lot. I agree that the interventions were both related to map issues and neither one was a safety issue where the car would have hit a pedestrian or got into an accident.
“Felt bad” for the homeless guy. FYI. If you did that living in Austin, you could be rich when you left your house and homeless yourself if you gave a dollar to each homeless person on the corner. There is someone on EVERY single corner.
Don't give anything to the homeless guy, you are enabling bad behavior and alcohol and drugs. He can go to a shelter to get help and food where no drugs are allowed.
I appreciate how you have the patience to let it do its thing and only take over when required. Chicago is certainly one of those challenging cities to learn for a human, let alone a robot. Thanks for the post-recording voiceover, it's nice to have a review with collected thoughts.
A human can drive every day for years, without an incident. The latest FSD cannot drive 1 hour on a challenging route, without *human* *intervention* . So disappointing .
@@DerekDavis213 What you are watching is a program written by a neural net driving an EV using only cameras in a very challenging environment. The "experts" have been saying since 2016 that this is impossible to do, FSD using only cameras, and earlier this year several opined that FSD was impossible before 2050. This drive is where neural net programming has gotten us in about eighteen months, during most of which Tesla was compute constrained. Is it really fair to be disappointed by Tesla making incredible and rapid progress in achieving what everyone but Tesla thought could not be done at all?
Great production. Love seeing a drive thru an area I know well. A couple of comments - 1) stopping that far back at an intersection would drive me crazy 2) getting confused with upper/lower Michigan and Wacker will be “exciting” for Robotaxis 3) while great that it doesn’t run red lights, a matter of time before it gets creamed by a driver following behind. Improved? Yes. Ready for prime time? I’d estimate another year.
Nice drive. I am from Switzerland have a model XP90D (2016) and a model 3P (2019). As soon as FSD is available here I will trade in my old P90D and buy a new one with HW4 and will use FSD. Can’t wait….
Thank you! Exactly how we should test FSD. As if we are in the back seat and the only reason you’re in the driver seat is to avoid and accident. If I was in the car in a robotaxi I might have not loved it but would have probably been on a phone and wouldn’t mind it at all….
It's so interesting seeing FSD running in areas with poor map data. I took my M3LR to the suburbs of Atlanta last year and was shocked by how poor the experience was compared to my daily use of FSD in the San Fernando Valley. I couldn't figure out what was different until I checked google maps and realized that even 3 lane wide roads were marked as single lanes when I zoomed in all the way.
Wow. What a video! You’re certainly the best. Nothing out there should be more educational for Tesla FSD AI Team to watch! I have had exactly the same intervention with 12.3.6 in front of the Aon Center. It’s obvious that the car is confused with a lower deck/different traffic layer (maps related) Also have experienced your 2nd intervention in Chicago north shore suburbs: car stops in an intersection without showing a blue line in visualizations. Thanks for your dedication!
This version got incremental improvements. Then it's getting there. Competitive advantage is created by experience like this. On maps, it is a critical issue. Maybe FSD should add a logic that whenever map is confusing, it would automatically avoid it by rerouting.
I appreciate all the hard work you put into this. I'm like you in that I don't normally have the patience to wait for FSD to finally figure things out. Sometimes I let it go to see how it behaves, but most times when I'm trying to "get somewhere" I just take over and force the car to do what I think it should be doing.
Thank you for your work. I've also watched so many hours of other FSD videos and your approach seems to be the best on UA-cam. Also what we all need is FSD driving in such cities as Chicago and not in some remote areas. Also I loved your videos where you introduce FSD to strangers. I think this kind of format can go big on UA-cam (and I'd grown a few channels with over 1M followers) . So keep it up and it will pay off for sure!
Great work! Almost need another stat for interventions for how you would really drive (I.e. when the driver waved you forward). There is no way you wouldn’t disengage in these situations
Excellent video and commentary - thanks so much! For me your videos double as a nice sightseeing trip through Chicago, a city I love flying to! (And it always reminds me of the 1999s video game "Midtown Madness") 😆
It can handle difficult situations better than routine ones. This Elon mentioned recently. That gives hope that assuming next versions won't regress it improves drastically over 12.5, 12.6, etc. Absolutely excellent camera work and commentary. I would say top 2-3 among FSD channels.
Great video! Great camera setup and great video layout! You did a really good job on this video. Thank you! Nice to see the same streets again! Best memories driving there with V12! Ate Min. 25, right turn, the car drove exactly when the lights turned yellow, but why, no idea.
this was honestly so great in every way. idk if i could handle letting it rip like this downtown being behind the wheel. you are a soldier for shouldering all that cringe! you're right though about the map confusing this. take my perspective. i've been to chicago and driven around once in 2020 for a few days. The whole "underground" road structure was completely foreign to me and i had no idea wtf was going on. the gps did nothing to alleviate this (apple maps) and i was almost certainly driving terribly as i missed several turns and my gps re routed frantically not knowing that this was in fact a multi layered situation (as if though FSD can even fathom such a concept or any concept) the way i look at it is : FSD gets directions from maps, FSD is trained to "drive" based on driver training data, MAPS provides "routes" which literally dont exist, FSD tries to achieve said routes only to find itself on some weird road which coexists properly with the maps data (top down) but does not accuratley represent the path given. This all causes FSD, like me, to be confused as hell and just try to deal with existing on the road. The problem here is that i can pull over or just meander while annoyed, FSD has no fucking idea why this road doesnt exist and is trying desperately to follow the map data. This is a phenomenal video. I'm not so sure about how many other cities/locations have roads LITERALLY stacked directly on each other parallel, but this will be an odd problem of matching map data with road depth. FSD doesnt have precise code so i'm curious how they can modify how it interacts with its "maps" data. Certainly it's not a 1 dimension line it follows but more an ebbing flow of a path like a meandering river which corresponds to the literal road and the gps coordinates. great video, i'd still be shit at driving in downtown Chicago but FSD has nothing on me in Nashville >:)... at least until next year :) PS perhaps they should consider applying location based parameters. FSD does so well in California cities. They COULD take something somewhat similar to waymo strategy and have variant parameter clusters which are geographically bound and are layered into the current functional build if applicable based on GPS coordinates. an idea at least. driving one way in one location could be dumb or a problem if done exactly so in another. certainly tesla engineers are or have considered this.
Great camera angles, great editing, calm commentary, great route through chicago. I would like to see the same route on the next versions. The interventions were a little bit strange from FSD. I hope that this to much hesitation in some situations would be fixed in the coming updates. I pressed the subscription button 🙂
24:55, looks like yellow light made it snap out of it. I've seen it sometimes that when something happens its algorithm kinda resets, like it has a lot of different neural networks for different situations, and when its stuck, and something trigger another algorithm, it just goes.
THANK YOU!!! Sooo many Tesla testers wo common courtesy that they laugh it off or do not care! Most likely one of the major reasons why people hate Teslas and key the car! Testers should and must count all of the confusion and honks! Which is why I only test when there's no cars around and disengage ahead of potential problems.
I liked your comments about how many interventions are subjective. The inclination to be polite is strong in most of us, and it is hard to let that go - but I think we should. Pretend someone else is driving and reduce your "ownership" of the drive. As you said, most human drivers sometimes mess up and we allow them to recover.
14:14 That's the first genuine bug/failure I've seen after watching many hours of FSD videos. It really did something that makes no sense. The stop sign was on the other side of the intersection. Perhaps that confused it. Send that straight to the technical team! Regarding other times the car didn't burst into intersections to make turns: "Aggression" meaning playing a bit of chicken with other cars, which city drivers do all the time, perhaps is a good thing not to adopt in FSD. 15:39 Great job FSD. 20:33 The lack of cars moving to right of the median and the right of the median being so much thinner than the left of the median, it thought it was not the right turn route for it to take, and so there was no right turn it could make. 24:55 Does it believe the cobblestone crosswalk is a median that it cannot cross, until it correctly identifies that it is flat? 28:27 I disagree that it did anything wrong. "Creeping" is wrong, because how does it know that the traffic will clear? And a car just shot across that path as well. It made the turn when there was room to turn into. I think this is correct, not like a human, but fine.
14:14 is possible on the level below…. One of the biggest challenges with Chicago is that there are 2 levels of streets that are underground. 🤯 The map had it wrong. Most likely it’s because my car missed going to Lower Wacker Dr. in the first place at 3:36.
Your videos are among my favorites for FSD updates. Well done. I agree about the map errors. I have 2 places it consistently gets in the wrong lane for an upcoming turn.
This was a really great test drive. Yes, the voice over is almost necessary to get a clear idea of all that is going on. You need FSD stickers on your car, Ha! I am still on V12.3.6. I am sure Tesla uses your video for diagnosing issues. No steering NAG, that's great! Downtown Chicago is definitely a challenge with all the pedestrians and mapping.👍
_Downtown Chicago is definitely a challenge_ There are many cities where FSD cannot function without human interventions. Such as LA, New York, Toronto Canada, and San Jose California.
3:07 I started to always stop at yellow lights and would expect a safe AI to do the same. Had an accident trying to beat a yellow but another car was also doing the same. Running yellows is simply unsafe unless you’re so close to the intersection that you couldn’t brake in a safe manner.
I’ve said that when Tesla start doing robo taxi, Owners should be required to put a sign on top of car like a pizza delivery driver. This lets people know the car is driving itself and will act accordingly. Like you said with big camera on top, most people will have more patience knowing… when a human is behind the wheel it’s not as important to have but True FSD I think it would help integration
“If it can drive through Chicago, it can drive through any town.” Mumbai, Barcelona, Palermo, Mexico City and ten thousands of other cities: hold my beer.
Very nice. Two disengagements, but one was due to faulty map data, and the other was odd, but not a "safety critical disengagement", ie it likely would have correctly rerouted and just been rude/confusing to a driver behind you, which I wouldn't be surprised if a Waymo or other "fully autonomous" care would do as well.
I applaud you for the personal sacrifice of ego for the purpose of measuring Ego's progress with each version. As for myself, I figure I do a better service to the cause by intervening and disengaging a little more, perhaps than absolutely necessary, but then, I'm in Alabama, and I doubt there are as many Teslas being trained in all of Alabama than in Chicago, so my focus on training over testing may be good here.
I'm glad to see 12.4.2 is getting better, I lived in downtown Chicago for 20 years, from 1999 to 2019, so I know how challenging it can be to drive there, especially during rush hour traffic.
Every large city in America is challening during morning or afternoon rush hour. FSD cannot navigate those kind of cities, without *human* *interventions* . Level 5 is years away .
I have a situation like yours where in my suburban area on my way to work I have three lanes at a 4 way intersection. I need to be in the center lane which is straight and left turning lane. I need to go straight but the car was in the right lane which is a right turn only lane. It's been that way forever. It's not a new designation. I took over because that right lane gets pretty congested and I didn't want to block it. If I were traveling that same path at night or after midnight when there's basically no traffic on the road I would test it to see what it's going to do by itself. But during rush hour you don't want to be in people's way. Mind you I'm still on 12.3.6 but that right turn is clearly marked with arrows on the pavement and a right turn only sign. It's still impressive that you put it through its paces in a cluttered city. Chicago, Detroit, California, NY, DC and other areas ids where the real test of the car's capability are put to the test. Suburban driving is good and does pose some challenges but in the down town areas everything is thrown at you. And while it is a whole lot better, especially since I came from 11.4.1 to 12.3.6, it's got some ways to go before I can have complete confidence in it. Regardless of what Elon says or the upcoming Robotaxi day I personally don't believe FSD is anywhere close to being ready for that. I'd say it's 70% to 80% for supervised low intervention driving. And while I'm not authority on it all I just have to be as completely unbiased as I can even tough I own a Tesla and I'm a long time investor. I have a vested interest in seeing it succeed but I have to be honest that for every milestone it reaches there's tones of scenarios it can't or has a hard time handling on the best of days. And also keep in mind that these cars being robotaxis may not be a viable option on days when it's low visibility, raining, at night in various areas or in other weather conditions.
Can I just say that I appreciate you for what you do. There's no way in hell I'd have this much patience downtown. I don't even like driving downtown in a NON FSD situation. So kudos to you. Some of these situations gave me 2nd hand embarrassment. Especially the 14:17 moment. LOL Wow.
Great test, many novel situations. The 14:15 turn into a building was profound. Really goes to show how much it trusts the maps. 20:35 is curious too. It couldn't quite conceive of going right there. You can try if that is a repeatable issue with 4.3 or just maybe it's flustered from past failures to turn during this drive. I'm not sure v12 gets flustered but v11 did I believe. 23:49 was funky too.
Excellent video. Thanks for all the time and effort. My thought: when FSD makes bad choice we should prompt the correct action using the turn signal and acceleration pedal (and brake if necessary). All driver actions should indicate a need for additional training.
Excellent! 2 real disengagements. Use FSD as if you’re a passenger and only intervene if it’s dangerous or the car gets stuck or into a super weird situation (like that weird left turn). Do not intervene because you’re impatient or because it has to reroute. Let it do its thing! Thank you! 🙏
Best 12.4.2 video yet. Really like the camera angle, and great editing.
Agreed agreed
Nice balanced analysis. Thanks for taking the time and effort to upload such a well-put edit
Best FSD video so far. I might have watched 100s of hours of FSD videos so far from other famous UA-camrs.
Maybe it's because I live in the Chicago suburbs, but I found this drive captivating. Thank you for a preview of what the rest of us will experience when 12.4.2 arrives to our cars.
I use FSD 99 percent of the time. I love it. I only manual drive when I want to go fast and have fun. I have crossed mountains, been through many cities. Sure there has been a few awkward moments, but overall it’s amazing. I am especially impressed during rain storms at night in cities. I can barely see, and the FSD usually does perfect. It’s so fun to be a part of history in the making.
If FSD is 98 percent capable today, there is no reason to believe that it will ever be 99.99 percent capable like a human. Ask any engineer .
That's the most complicated FSD driving I've seen so far. FSD unsupervised is so near and yet so far .
Agreed. Despite all the hype, FSD continues to be buggy and unreliable, on any challenging drive. Full autonomy is years away.
The majority of my drives are flawless but occasionally something crazy happens.
@@aguyfromnothere Remember it takes just one crazy thing to ruin your whole day. Or your Life .
@@DerekDavis213The crazy things FSD does are still safe. Just stupid. It seems the mapping and safety programming are the biggest hiccups at this point. I'd say we get FSD next year.
Do you work at Tesla? Otherwise, you have zero clue on how close or far unsupervised is.
Very good video indeed. Calm, collected, fair
Thank you for these videos. I live in busy suburbs and got FSD 12.3 during the free trial. While it was technologically impressive, it just drove too awkward for higher traffic situations. Braking too early, and not keeping up with traffic when they do go was my main frustrations. Standard AP is better at that than FSD. It was only comfortable when it was late at night and I didn't feel like I was being a nuisance holding up traffic. I keep watching your videos with each release waiting for that version good enough to subscribe to. I really do want it, and I really appreciate you making these videos for us.
Humans: compared against “did I die?”
FSD: compared against perfection.
There’s definitely room for improvement, and always will be, but I regularly do 30+ mile drives across the suburbs, highway, and downtown without interventions (and only feel like a clown once or twice). I just wish it would pull out of my garage on its own and if there was an open parking spot at the destination it would automatically park there. In due time though.
FSD cannot even go in reverse, after *four* *years* in beta. And it often goes full speed over speed bumps. Also, it cannot understand many signs: DO NOT ENTER, ROAD CLOSED.
FSD is years away from full autonomy .
@@DerekDavis213Sometimes I think it’s years and sometimes closer. But full autonomy is a long term goal. It works great right now. And it feels very close to a level where we dont need to pay attention but be ready to take over in 10 seconds (I think that is level 3) and that alone will be enough for most people. I honestly think it’s already safer than the average driver on the road.
@@aguyfromnothere _It works great right now_
Elan promised Self Driving eight years ago. So today, FSD does not work great. It doesn't work at all, if constant supervision is needed .
@@DerekDavis213text recognition has been here a long time. Why can't FSD read signs?
@@gsmith2520 FSD is a basic simpleminded assistant. Nothing like a human. There are videos on UA-cam that show FSD ignoring a DO NOT ENTER sign, and driving right down that street. If a human is not supervising, that could be a very bad thing .
I liked your video a lot. I agree that the interventions were both related to map issues and neither one was a safety issue where the car would have hit a pedestrian or got into an accident.
“Felt bad” for the homeless guy.
FYI. If you did that living in Austin, you could be rich when you left your house and homeless yourself if you gave a dollar to each homeless person on the corner. There is someone on EVERY single corner.
Don't give anything to the homeless guy, you are enabling bad behavior and alcohol and drugs. He can go to a shelter to get help and food where no drugs are allowed.
I appreciate how you have the patience to let it do its thing and only take over when required.
Chicago is certainly one of those challenging cities to learn for a human, let alone a robot.
Thanks for the post-recording voiceover, it's nice to have a review with collected thoughts.
A human can drive every day for years, without an incident.
The latest FSD cannot drive 1 hour on a challenging route, without *human* *intervention* . So disappointing .
@@DerekDavis213 What you are watching is a program written by a neural net driving an EV using only cameras in a very challenging environment. The "experts" have been saying since 2016 that this is impossible to do, FSD using only cameras, and earlier this year several opined that FSD was impossible before 2050. This drive is where neural net programming has gotten us in about eighteen months, during most of which Tesla was compute constrained.
Is it really fair to be disappointed by Tesla making incredible and rapid progress in achieving what everyone but Tesla thought could not be done at all?
17:11 the bus visualised as a huge limo. Gosh 😂😂😂 thats huge
Best FSD video period, the angles, the speeding up time enough, the kight and camera on the break, etc etc... damn!
Great production. Love seeing a drive thru an area I know well. A couple of comments - 1) stopping that far back at an intersection would drive me crazy 2) getting confused with upper/lower Michigan and Wacker will be “exciting” for Robotaxis 3) while great that it doesn’t run red lights, a matter of time before it gets creamed by a driver following behind. Improved? Yes. Ready for prime time? I’d estimate another year.
Nice drive. I am from Switzerland have a model XP90D (2016) and a model 3P (2019). As soon as FSD is available here I will trade in my old P90D and buy a new one with HW4 and will use FSD. Can’t wait….
wait until 8/8 and buy HW5
#1 video to see what FSD 12.4.2 can do in real test with a beautful , wonderfull narrator #TechGeekTesla🔥🔥🔥🔥♥
Thanks for the FSD coverage.
Thank you! Exactly how we should test FSD. As if we are in the back seat and the only reason you’re in the driver seat is to avoid and accident. If I was in the car in a robotaxi I might have not loved it but would have probably been on a phone and wouldn’t mind it at all….
It's so interesting seeing FSD running in areas with poor map data. I took my M3LR to the suburbs of Atlanta last year and was shocked by how poor the experience was compared to my daily use of FSD in the San Fernando Valley. I couldn't figure out what was different until I checked google maps and realized that even 3 lane wide roads were marked as single lanes when I zoomed in all the way.
Wow. What a video! You’re certainly the best. Nothing out there should be more educational for Tesla FSD AI Team to watch! I have had exactly the same intervention with 12.3.6 in front of the Aon Center. It’s obvious that the car is confused with a lower deck/different traffic layer (maps related) Also have experienced your 2nd intervention in Chicago north shore suburbs: car stops in an intersection without showing a blue line in visualizations.
Thanks for your dedication!
Brilliant! Fruego!🔥🙏💯
This version got incremental improvements. Then it's getting there. Competitive advantage is created by experience like this. On maps, it is a critical issue. Maybe FSD should add a logic that whenever map is confusing, it would automatically avoid it by rerouting.
Nice drive!! Thanks for the drive in Des Plaines. Well done... Go FSD 12.4.x
NOTICE the kid at EXACTLY the (20-minute) mark waving at you with both hands on the RIGHT as you cross the bridge/river. 👀👍
Great video. Excellent camera views and commentary. 👍
Great video and commentary! Thank you.
Your best video by far. Your efforts definitely shine through and does not go unnoticed. Subscribed!
Thanks for the work you are doing!
Very nice. Thank you!
Really great video John. Your efforts are greatly appreciated. Enjoy your 4th with your family and get some rest!
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥♥♥♥#TechGeekTesla wow wow wow ...i was completly immersed in your naration, live as it happens.
Outstanding evaluation. Don’t think I’ve seen you before, but I am definitely subscribed now.
I appreciate all the hard work you put into this. I'm like you in that I don't normally have the patience to wait for FSD to finally figure things out. Sometimes I let it go to see how it behaves, but most times when I'm trying to "get somewhere" I just take over and force the car to do what I think it should be doing.
Seems helpful to have some kind of signage when fading, especially for us neophytes. Thanks, nice video!
Best fsd content on youtubes
Great vid, thanks for your effort.
It's good you have the patience to let the car do its thing. It reveals what robotaxi failures and recovery will look like.
Awesome camera work! Clearest I've seen. i really like the rear view. Can't wait till I get upgraded.
Awesome video. I like that you fast forward though many non-eventful moments
Excellent work.
Thank you for your work. I've also watched so many hours of other FSD videos and your approach seems to be the best on UA-cam. Also what we all need is FSD driving in such cities as Chicago and not in some remote areas.
Also I loved your videos where you introduce FSD to strangers. I think this kind of format can go big on UA-cam (and I'd grown a few channels with over 1M followers) . So keep it up and it will pay off for sure!
Great vid! Thanks
Great video!!! ❤
Very Well Done!
Great work! Almost need another stat for interventions for how you would really drive (I.e. when the driver waved you forward). There is no way you wouldn’t disengage in these situations
Great video. Keep it up!
Thanks. Great video because it spent most of the time on critical situations.
Excellent video and commentary - thanks so much! For me your videos double as a nice sightseeing trip through Chicago, a city I love flying to! (And it always reminds me of the 1999s video game "Midtown Madness") 😆
Awesome editing and effects and and and. Good job. Subscribed.
#TechGeekTesla #Chicago is where a real test for fsd could be proven.I follow several channels on fsd but this is absolute fire🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥♥♥♥♥
It can handle difficult situations better than routine ones. This Elon mentioned recently. That gives hope that assuming next versions won't regress it improves drastically over 12.5, 12.6, etc.
Absolutely excellent camera work and commentary. I would say top 2-3 among FSD channels.
Thanks for upload! 6:07 screen/camera configuration is really good, very clear.
Love the editing
Awesome video!
This is very impressive. I live downtown and drive in most of these areas regularly.
Great video! Great camera setup and great video layout! You did a really good job on this video. Thank you! Nice to see the same streets again! Best memories driving there with V12! Ate Min. 25, right turn, the car drove exactly when the lights turned yellow, but why, no idea.
Thanks fora great video
拍摄的太好了，感谢！
Very impressed by the quality of video and ... FSD performance ! Both top notch
A human drives with 99.99 percent proficiency. FSD performance is not even close to a human being.
@@DerekDavis213 did I say that ??? I said: I was impressed by FSD's performance.
What a fantastic channel. One more subscriber. Cheers!
You: I try to be polite and patient. Also you: I would have honked if I was in that truck..
this was honestly so great in every way. idk if i could handle letting it rip like this downtown being behind the wheel. you are a soldier for shouldering all that cringe!
you're right though about the map confusing this.
take my perspective.
i've been to chicago and driven around once in 2020 for a few days. The whole "underground" road structure was completely foreign to me and i had no idea wtf was going on. the gps did nothing to alleviate this (apple maps) and i was almost certainly driving terribly as i missed several turns and my gps re routed frantically not knowing that this was in fact a multi layered situation (as if though FSD can even fathom such a concept or any concept)
the way i look at it is : FSD gets directions from maps, FSD is trained to "drive" based on driver training data, MAPS provides "routes" which literally dont exist, FSD tries to achieve said routes only to find itself on some weird road which coexists properly with the maps data (top down) but does not accuratley represent the path given.
This all causes FSD, like me, to be confused as hell and just try to deal with existing on the road.
The problem here is that i can pull over or just meander while annoyed, FSD has no fucking idea why this road doesnt exist and is trying desperately to follow the map data.
This is a phenomenal video. I'm not so sure about how many other cities/locations have roads LITERALLY stacked directly on each other parallel, but this will be an odd problem of matching map data with road depth. FSD doesnt have precise code so i'm curious how they can modify how it interacts with its "maps" data. Certainly it's not a 1 dimension line it follows but more an ebbing flow of a path like a meandering river which corresponds to the literal road and the gps coordinates.
great video, i'd still be shit at driving in downtown Chicago but FSD has nothing on me in Nashville >:)...
at least until next year :)
PS perhaps they should consider applying location based parameters. FSD does so well in California cities. They COULD take something somewhat similar to waymo strategy and have variant parameter clusters which are geographically bound and are layered into the current functional build if applicable based on GPS coordinates. an idea at least.
driving one way in one location could be dumb or a problem if done exactly so in another. certainly tesla engineers are or have considered this.
Great camera angles, great editing, calm commentary, great route through chicago. I would like to see the same route on the next versions.
The interventions were a little bit strange from FSD. I hope that this to much hesitation in some situations would be fixed in the coming updates.
I pressed the subscription button 🙂
24:55, looks like yellow light made it snap out of it. I've seen it sometimes that when something happens its algorithm kinda resets, like it has a lot of different neural networks for different situations, and when its stuck, and something trigger another algorithm, it just goes.
THANK YOU!!! Sooo many Tesla testers wo common courtesy that they laugh it off or do not care! Most likely one of the major reasons why people hate Teslas and key the car! Testers should and must count all of the confusion and honks! Which is why I only test when there's no cars around and disengage ahead of potential problems.
I liked your comments about how many interventions are subjective. The inclination to be polite is strong in most of us, and it is hard to let that go - but I think we should. Pretend someone else is driving and reduce your "ownership" of the drive. As you said, most human drivers sometimes mess up and we allow them to recover.
Chicago + Tesla = 1 more suscriber
I like the simulated Tesla Semi view 😊 earned sub
14:14 That's the first genuine bug/failure I've seen after watching many hours of FSD videos. It really did something that makes no sense. The stop sign was on the other side of the intersection. Perhaps that confused it. Send that straight to the technical team!
Regarding other times the car didn't burst into intersections to make turns: "Aggression" meaning playing a bit of chicken with other cars, which city drivers do all the time, perhaps is a good thing not to adopt in FSD.
15:39 Great job FSD.
20:33 The lack of cars moving to right of the median and the right of the median being so much thinner than the left of the median, it thought it was not the right turn route for it to take, and so there was no right turn it could make.
24:55 Does it believe the cobblestone crosswalk is a median that it cannot cross, until it correctly identifies that it is flat?
28:27 I disagree that it did anything wrong. "Creeping" is wrong, because how does it know that the traffic will clear? And a car just shot across that path as well. It made the turn when there was room to turn into. I think this is correct, not like a human, but fine.
14:14 is possible on the level below…. One of the biggest challenges with Chicago is that there are 2 levels of streets that are underground. 🤯 The map had it wrong. Most likely it’s because my car missed going to Lower Wacker Dr. in the first place at 3:36.
@@techgeektesla Good possibility.
Great Job FSD? After many point releases and Neural Nets training, FSD still cannot be trusted .
Your videos are among my favorites for FSD updates. Well done.
I agree about the map errors. I have 2 places it consistently gets in the wrong lane for an upcoming turn.
Thank you! You made my day!
I think going forward tesla is gonna use software to make their own maps. Google and Apple just arent good enough for what we need.
@@markfrantz4612 Google Maps are *world* *class* . They have many years of experience. Tesla cannot do better than them.
@@DerekDavis213 Tesla can use the cars in their fleet to accurately map the roads as their fleet is driving down them. Don't count them out.
@@markfrantz4612 After *four* *years* in beta, many people are ready to count Tesla out. To dismiss them.
12.4.3 has started coming out! Hope you get it soon
Great editing
All nighter ! Legend
your edits and clips are great hahah!
This was a really great test drive. Yes, the voice over is almost necessary to get a clear idea of all that is going on. You need FSD stickers on your car, Ha! I am still on V12.3.6. I am sure Tesla uses your video for diagnosing issues. No steering NAG, that's great! Downtown Chicago is definitely a challenge with all the pedestrians and mapping.👍
_Downtown Chicago is definitely a challenge_
There are many cities where FSD cannot function without human interventions. Such as LA, New York, Toronto Canada, and San Jose California.
Great camera work
Awesome!
Work hard, get hard!
This is the perfect way to test it. Good job!
3:07 I started to always stop at yellow lights and would expect a safe AI to do the same. Had an accident trying to beat a yellow but another car was also doing the same. Running yellows is simply unsafe unless you’re so close to the intersection that you couldn’t brake in a safe manner.
Omg, you are working so hard. Lots of hours to create content
A very good stress test. Chicago Streets are highly unusual.
I’ve said that when Tesla start doing robo taxi, Owners should be required to put a sign on top of car like a pizza delivery driver. This lets people know the car is driving itself and will act accordingly. Like you said with big camera on top, most people will have more patience knowing… when a human is behind the wheel it’s not as important to have but True FSD I think it would help integration
“If it can drive through Chicago, it can drive through any town.” Mumbai, Barcelona, Palermo, Mexico City and ten thousands of other cities: hold my beer.
Very nice. Two disengagements, but one was due to faulty map data, and the other was odd, but not a "safety critical disengagement", ie it likely would have correctly rerouted and just been rude/confusing to a driver behind you, which I wouldn't be surprised if a Waymo or other "fully autonomous" care would do as well.
I applaud you for the personal sacrifice of ego for the purpose of measuring Ego's progress with each version. As for myself, I figure I do a better service to the cause by intervening and disengaging a little more, perhaps than absolutely necessary, but then, I'm in Alabama, and I doubt there are as many Teslas being trained in all of Alabama than in Chicago, so my focus on training over testing may be good here.
Great video, like the view from the roof of the car. FSD is getting better and better.
I'm glad to see 12.4.2 is getting better, I lived in downtown Chicago for 20 years, from 1999 to 2019, so I know how challenging it can be to drive there, especially during rush hour traffic.
Every large city in America is challening during morning or afternoon rush hour. FSD cannot navigate those kind of cities, without *human* *interventions* . Level 5 is years away .
thanks for sharing. I believe FSD will be the 1st one to achieve workable autonomy.
I have a situation like yours where in my suburban area on my way to work I have three lanes at a 4 way intersection. I need to be in the center lane which is straight and left turning lane. I need to go straight but the car was in the right lane which is a right turn only lane. It's been that way forever. It's not a new designation. I took over because that right lane gets pretty congested and I didn't want to block it.
If I were traveling that same path at night or after midnight when there's basically no traffic on the road I would test it to see what it's going to do by itself. But during rush hour you don't want to be in people's way. Mind you I'm still on 12.3.6 but that right turn is clearly marked with arrows on the pavement and a right turn only sign.
It's still impressive that you put it through its paces in a cluttered city. Chicago, Detroit, California, NY, DC and other areas ids where the real test of the car's capability are put to the test. Suburban driving is good and does pose some challenges but in the down town areas everything is thrown at you. And while it is a whole lot better, especially since I came from 11.4.1 to 12.3.6, it's got some ways to go before I can have complete confidence in it. Regardless of what Elon says or the upcoming Robotaxi day I personally don't believe FSD is anywhere close to being ready for that. I'd say it's 70% to 80% for supervised low intervention driving. And while I'm not authority on it all I just have to be as completely unbiased as I can even tough I own a Tesla and I'm a long time investor. I have a vested interest in seeing it succeed but I have to be honest that for every milestone it reaches there's tones of scenarios it can't or has a hard time handling on the best of days. And also keep in mind that these cars being robotaxis may not be a viable option on days when it's low visibility, raining, at night in various areas or in other weather conditions.
really good drive! it needs to be able to do forward planning from vision only being able to override bad map data.
Can I just say that I appreciate you for what you do. There's no way in hell I'd have this much patience downtown. I don't even like driving downtown in a NON FSD situation. So kudos to you. Some of these situations gave me 2nd hand embarrassment. Especially the 14:17 moment. LOL Wow.
I've never seen those roads. I only know Chicago from Shameless 😂... Great video!
Great test, many novel situations. The 14:15 turn into a building was profound. Really goes to show how much it trusts the maps. 20:35 is curious too. It couldn't quite conceive of going right there. You can try if that is a repeatable issue with 4.3 or just maybe it's flustered from past failures to turn during this drive. I'm not sure v12 gets flustered but v11 did I believe. 23:49 was funky too.
这个测试不错，足够多的人流车流，nice
Great graphics & commentary! Keep it up & thanks for sharing! - watch out Chuck C, Black, Dirty, AI DVR & Whole mars! New guy on the block!
Excellent video. Thanks for all the time and effort. My thought: when FSD makes bad choice we should prompt the correct action using the turn signal and acceleration pedal (and brake if necessary). All driver actions should indicate a need for additional training.
This is really good stuff! Thanks so much!
People who make FSD videos have the highest driving standards in the world😂
Excellent! 2 real disengagements. Use FSD as if you’re a passenger and only intervene if it’s dangerous or the car gets stuck or into a super weird situation (like that weird left turn). Do not intervene because you’re impatient or because it has to reroute. Let it do its thing! Thank you! 🙏