When McGill asked Clarke the second time, that should've been it, but no, anything else after that was unnecessary. It was childish on both parts to continue it on when they left.
Funny that McGill was effectively accusing Clarke of unsportsmanlike behaviour, when what resulted was him stressing Clarke out, who I don’t believe intentionally started anything here. McGill was the aggressor on the offensive here, not Clarke, from my viewpoint. Bad vibes..
I think Jan Verhaas shouldn't have warned Clarke again after the interval. That was shocking for Clarke. Also, he should have asked both players, not just Clarke, not to stand when they were in their places. In the first session they were both standing in their opponent's field of vision, at least McGill once and Clarke 2 or 3 times.
what most people don't understand about this situation is that your peripheral vision extends to more than just someone standing in front of you even someone standing slightly behind you can put you off your shot so therefore anthony mcgill was right and he should not have had to ask clarke twice to sit down and as we have seen this week even ronnie osullivan had a pop at mark allen for the very same reason.
There is no point in discussing intent. Whether Clarke meant it or not, he shouldn't be in McGill's line of sight when he's taking a shot. He did it multiple times after getting warned by the referee. McGill did nothing wrong.
Simple explanation to this: "When you're 8-2 down and you're almost certainly going to lose, then resort to disgusting tactics to try and mentally throw your opponent off". McGill showed his true colours throughout all of this. Shame on him Forevermore.
McGill was acting like a nob, like the video showed he asked him to move and sit down only to then play a different red which was the only right shot anyway. He was just looking for an excuse, a shame Clarke didn't stop it getting in his head. Glad McGill lost to Kyren.
How was he 😂😂 he’s been bumped many a time and been sound about it you clearly don’t watch much snooker. The fact Clarke did it to perry in a different way said it all and tweeted a load of crap lol
@@jasonwalls1466 actually I watch a lot of snooker but not sure how that fits into the equation. I like McGill but in this instance he was wrong and frustrated, can't say I'd be any different but he is meant to be a professional. I saw the Perry incident, again was frustration and just picking out an excuse. And yes the Tweet was stupid, is what I meant by allowing McGill get in his head.
I have an issue with the referee saying “when he plays a shot I want you back in your chair.” Then McGill is seen standing on two shots whilst Clarke is playing. The rule must be enforced on both not just one. Naive by Clarke tweeting though.
Here's what the rulebook says about the non-striker. Jan's 100% right. *Section 4.* 5. Non-striker _The non-striker shall, when the striker is playing, avoid standing or moving in the line of sight of the striker. They shall sit or stand at a reasonable distance from the table and avoid making any movement or action that may interrupt the concentration of the striker._
It was totally a nonesense by Mcgill. Its just that he was losing and by this way he put alot of pressure on Clarke. And when clakre was playing a shot Mcgill was standing beside him which is totally not normal. He asked the refree to ask him to sit down and do the same as he did but refree said its ok which was not ok at all if a player is standing on ur head it gives u pressure.
I don't think that it is too much of an issue to be stood at the black end of the table behind the player at the table when you know that he will not be attempting a pot but playing safe by returning the cue ball back to the black end of the table. Yet having said that, if McGill has complained about Clarke not going back to his chair after playing, then he should have gone and sat down himself and Clarke was entitled to ask him to and the referee should not have intervened. Even if the difference was that on some of the shots, McGill was playing to pot the ball rather than play safe and you do not really want your opponent in your eye line when going for a pot.
i think this was an over-reaction from McGill and unnecessarily confrontational. the second 'issue' McGill complaints his opponent is not returning to his seat while standing directly in front of the opponent seat! and later on stands at the other end of the table as his opponent takes his shot. (see about 01:58) and not to mention running after your opponent whos taking a quick break and confronting him. I think the referee is a very high standard referee, but i think he did not handle this particularly well. I watched this match and McGill has gone way way down in my opinion.
I don't play snooker, but when I play pool I hate having my opponent stand behind me. Really I'm just paranoid and I hate anyone standing behind me at any distance. I would have asked that McGill have a seat like he's supposed to. McGill played mind games and never should have been allowed to confront Clarke.
@@derekmerry784 The whole eyeline thing does seem to be a bit overdone though when they have tournaments where players on the other tables are in their eyeline. The German masters for instance the tables only have like waist height separators so the players can see across multiple tables, yet that doesn't interfere with their eyeline having movement from other tables?
I just want to throw it out there that if that fluke in the semi final went the other way and McGill got to the final, I think McGill would have had a great chance to win it. He wouldn't have been intimidated by his opponent and I think he would have done it, despite it being a long shot. BUT, this year is a new year, and McGill is seeded in the championships this time
Never heard of McGill or Perry moaning about such things before so I am inclined to believe Clarke was either naïve or playing games. And sending that tweet during the match shows an aggressive lack of respect. I hope he recovers from the incidence and learns from it and does not get bitter.
Anthony was in the right here, all he was saying was that Jamie was in his eyeline, people make this out to be a massive controversy yet it wasn't really.
he's not in the right, Clarke wasn't in his eyeline yet McGill told him to sit down anyway, he's effectively accusing Clarke of gamesmanship and it clearly threw him off his game.
@@redkingoldhero38 when mcgill kept playing safety shots from the balk end of the table Clark was stood at the back end of the table slightly in McGill's eyeline, no doubt mcgill overreacted by Chasing Clark backstage that was wrong but he had every right to be annoyed with Clark and ask him to sit down!!!
@@emreeves1853 the right answer is probably somewhere between both our opinions. Its defintely possible Clarke didnt walk back to his seat to annoy McGill. I just want to give the benefit of the doubt to clarke
Clarke knows exactly what he,s doing.He,s trying to wind McGill up. You play your shot and then sit down. McGill completely right to call him for it and the ref should of pulled Clarke and warned him.
Please do a video like this for the Ronnie/Allen exchange. From the highlight that I have seen, they only cover the final argument and not the events leading to it. Cheers!
I’m not a fan of Clarke’s attitude. McGill and Perry have every right to raise a concern if he’s distracting them. Clarke needs to grow up and take it on the chin instead of arguing about it.
Can't really see what Clarke did wrong. If there had been an audience, someone in the audience would have been in McGill's line of sight! So what? So long as Clarke didn't move as McGill was down on the shot it's fine. There will be times when, even if Clarke was sitting in his chair, he would have been in McGill's eye-line. What then? As for Joe Perry - he didn't like the placement of Clarke's white towel(!) - I'm kind of lost for words. All a bit petty from a couple of players who were losing at the time of the incidents, and who are experienced enough not to be distracted by such things. Smells to me more of gamesmanship on their part, hoping to break Clarke's concentration.
If mcgill had of done the same with ronnie, ronnie would of told him to fk off back to his chair, passed him a box of crayons n a colouring book n told him to be a good boy!!! Mcgill always moaning whingeing about something n such a sad loser!!!
Standing in the line of sight is ABSOLUTELY BLATANT, hell I get up from where I'm sitting and move out of the line of sight. Being asked repeatedly to do so is clearly on purpose.
I reckon an empty arena emboldened the players to get narky with each other. A big crowd is likely to be intimidating enough to curtail such unprofessionalism.
This video could be titled "seeded player invents nonsense and succeeds in unsettling qualifier at Crucible" McGill knew exactly what he was doing here.
Players do this to Ronnie all the time, because by the time they reach their chair he's potted 3 or 4 balls and by the time they finished sitting down they have to get up and break the next frame.
What is difference stand up at 1end and being in eye line or sitting down at other end and being in eye line . As much as I love this game it gets a bit pompous especially this world championship I know there’s a lot at stake but other tournaments they don’t have the screen there is a lot more noise from the crowd. They are supposed to be professionals they learnt there trade in places where there would be a lot more going on maybe they should make that a part of it and then we would have a champ that not only can play but also shut out the distractions
Simple, you should always strive to keep out of your opponents eye line. If you’re actually electing to stand up when it’s not your shot... This allows a little movement, however when you are sitting, in a players eye line you should remain absolutely stationary.. Go back a few decades, you sit and await your turn... So it’s a form of gamesmanship, like loitering seconds after the balls have all stopped after you have played your shot, delaying your opponent or hanging around in a players eye line or fidgeting when seated.. You don’t see an issue, fine, but if it not your shot... When requested, sit the fcuk down and don’t move and remember the other player shouldn’t have to ask you to do so, it’s a respect thing and it should be done automatically... 👍
I don't think McGill did anything wrong, with the exception of over reacting. He should have asked the referee to deal with it From what I saw, Clarke had the upper hand and tried to 'push McGill's button' and cause McGill to lose concentration. In the end it backfired. The situation was brought under control and Clarke lost his concentration after losing the psychological battle.
Only Jamie Clarke knows for certain whether it was deliberate or carelessness. However, either way, it does seem to have been happening to some extent so I think McGill had an initial right to have a quiet word to the referee about it, who could have had a quiet word with Clarke and then kept an eye out for it, etc. However as the senior player, I think McGill handled it very poorly. Directly confronting his inexperienced opponent was wrong, and I think he went on too long and spoke too impatiently to the ref rather than respectfully. It wasn't how I like to see Snooker players behaving, regardless of how frustrated they are. Neither player came out of it well, but, as we can't be certain how culpable Clarke was of the initial accusation, then I was more disappointed with the way McGill handled it and how he took it too far. It was an ugly and unsporting way for him to beat the Crucible debutant and I was hoping he lost to Maflin in the next round.
@@andymerrett as long as the player doesn't stand in the strikers eyeline. Mc Gill was standing directly behind. Here's the rule. *Section 4.* 5. Non-striker _The non-striker shall, when the striker is playing, avoid standing or moving in the line of sight of the striker. They shall sit or stand at a reasonable distance from the table and avoid making any movement or action that may interrupt the concentration of the striker._
Problem is players allowing their opponent to affect them for too long before doing something about it: Immediately your opponent is in your eyeline you should ask them - politely - to sit down or move out of the way. Don't let it get to you first.
1:38 wrong. Clarke needs to sit. He is in his peripheral vision. Standing behind opponent during safety exchange is common and acceptable by all, not at side. The shot you said it's the only one to play (the one played) is true only to some extent.
I agree. When a player is at the table, the opponent should make every effort to stay out of his line of sight or stay seated in their assigned chair. Standing in a player's line of sight is called "Sharking" and it's extremely rude, whether or not it's done deliberately.
I think both of them acted like kids to be fair. I don’t believe Clarke meant to cause any trouble, and maybe his lack of experience accounted for him not realising that he was putting McGill off. And that tweet he put out at the interval was excruciatingly embarrassing. McGill on the other hand didn’t need to be be such a prick about it. He was on the offensive from the very first incident, just because he was losing. Rather than acknowledging Clarke’s lack of experience at the crucible, and being nice about it, he came across all confrontational which didn’t help the situation at all. I also thought Jan could have handled it better. I think warning Clarke was needlessly excessive. If he was going to be consistent with his warnings, he should have also warned McGill for going at Clarke again, when he had been specifically told not to.
i can understand both players, though think it's clear it was much ado about nothing, but nerves got to McGill at that point, and after that to Clarke. If Clarke had to sitting down cause it was a tight environment, why the hell didn't McGill need to sit down but could stand behind? After all, it wasn't even about being on the line of sight, but about 'tight environment' according to Verhaas. Verhaas handled the whole thing poorly, and probably ruined Clarke's game. Anyway, players often don't go to sit down, as long as they keep still it's normal, even in line of sight. i half think McGill actually did this on purpose but hope he was just a wreck instead.
You're right, the rule book doesn't prohibit being in line of sight, but moving around when you're there, which never happened. However, I think it was okay to ask Clarke to sit down or whatever, but accusing him of unsportsmanlike required much more evidence than just McGill's perception. The damage can be irreparable when it comes to reputation.
@@CesarMuroya Yeah, i agree. It was ok to ask Clarke to sit down if McGill was bothered. Thanks for another interesting video! Saw some of it afterwards as replay on ES but not everything relevant that happened and it's kind of unfortunate they mentioned Perry's complaint against Clarke there too, implying Clarke had a reputation for such tactics.
Not at all. McGill was complaining that he was in his eye line, yet managed to take shots where Clarke is seated BUT still in his eye line, he’s a professional and they are normally surrounded by hundreds of fans when playing a match, he was just being a nob 😁
@@scottconnorzzzzz when not playing at the table, you are advised to return to your seat. To not do this is unprofessional. Regardless of fans being there or not
@@jamescleary5198 You are advised not to be in the players eye line, which you can be even when sitting down as was shown when ROS had an issue with someone he was playing was sat and he accused him of fidgeting. It is not a rule, you are allowed to stand as was shown in This video when he was stood behind the ref.
@@jamescleary5198 Being professional had nothing to do with not returning to your seat so your comment is incorrect. It would be unprofessional to constantly be in someone’s eye line, you can be stood and not in someone’s eye line and remain professional as many players do.
@@scottconnorzzzzz he used unsporting conduct and therefore was unprofessional. He was told by the referee a couple times before in the same match! I think you’ve been in too many American pool bars
I can't tell whether this video was edited poorly or the complaints were actually that silly. I mean, this channel's videos are usually great so I'd say the second option, but it's really such a silly thing to complain about that I can't comprehend it.
Hi Cesar, Great work. Please present the similar incident that happened recently between ROS and Mark Allen in champ of champs where Mark eventually called it 'bullying'.
I think it was just nerves by Clarke and probably Not used to the environment of world champs. Also the fact perry got angry with him game before probably primed mcgills anger.
The first moment is total BS imo from McGill, Clarke is no way in his eyeline for the shot on the red, I believe McGill's tactic was to unsettle the lower ranked, less experienced Clarke and put him off his game, seeing as McGill was really struggling at this stage. Unfortunately for Clarke it seems McGill did get in his head as he released that tweet and went on to lose the match. I dont think McGill would try the same trick on a more experienced higher ranked player and definitely not on someone like O'Sullivan.
I think Clark was in the wrong but don’t think it was intentional. Just stay out of the players eye line. He’s not down the club playing with his mates where that’s totally fine. It’s a competitive environment with lots of prize money on the line.
I love Jan, but I think he was wrong in one way. He told he had to sit down, but he doesn't. There is no law requiring non-striker to sit down, only to avoid being in the line of sight.
As a professional referee, he is the one who should have noticed FIRST and straight away remind/warned Clarke on his mistake BEFORE Mcgill do. Referee are slow, not sharp and not professional enough on this occasion. Disappointed.
I’ve never really understood the whole eyeline thing. I play a fair bit of snooker at the local club and it hardly gets mentioned 🤷♂️ granted none of us are pros but there’s a few players that consistently get centuries. I saw Bingham moaning like hell at a camera man a few years ago and I just don’t get it
@7900Territory Ronnie moans about everything. Quite frankly I kinda get bored of his stupid comments and silly moments. Comes across as a bit of a bully actually.
Imagine Eldon v Eddie charlton in an exhibition match! Be like watching two coats of paint drying! And mark slowby on stand by if things accidently started speeding up😂😂
Well presented video. No unnecessary voice overs, clearly explaining what was going on without trying to be over dramatic. Thumbs up.
well said
I cannot believe you’ve found all of this information,fantastic work keep going.
Eternally grateful for this channel
This was an excellent video, I enjoy watching snooker spats for some reason, and this was laid out perfectly and earns a sub. Great work 👌🏼
Awesome, thank you!
Thanks for putting this together
Keep them coming, Cesar.
Good job mate!! Keep doing that, we need some good snooker vids like these!!
Thanks! Will do!
When McGill asked Clarke the second time, that should've been it, but no, anything else after that was unnecessary. It was childish on both parts to continue it on when they left.
Funny that McGill was effectively accusing Clarke of unsportsmanlike behaviour, when what resulted was him stressing Clarke out, who I don’t believe intentionally started anything here. McGill was the aggressor on the offensive here, not Clarke, from my viewpoint. Bad vibes..
But good vid! 😊
I think Jan Verhaas shouldn't have warned Clarke again after the interval. That was shocking for Clarke. Also, he should have asked both players, not just Clarke, not to stand when they were in their places. In the first session they were both standing in their opponent's field of vision, at least McGill once and Clarke 2 or 3 times.
@@CesarMuroya Agree 👍
He was singled-out. Not unlike being bullied, all told.. Biggest match of his life...
what most people don't understand about this situation is that your peripheral vision extends to more than just someone standing in front of you even someone standing slightly behind you can put you off your shot so therefore anthony mcgill was right and he should not have had to ask clarke twice to sit down and as we have seen this week even ronnie osullivan had a pop at mark allen for the very same reason.
There is no point in discussing intent. Whether Clarke meant it or not, he shouldn't be in McGill's line of sight when he's taking a shot.
He did it multiple times after getting warned by the referee.
McGill did nothing wrong.
Simple explanation on this: "When you're in trouble, things magnify"
Simple explanation to this: "When you're 8-2 down and you're almost certainly going to lose, then resort to disgusting tactics to try and mentally throw your opponent off".
McGill showed his true colours throughout all of this. Shame on him Forevermore.
Clarke make himself look a right knob Tweeting that and then losing after being 7-2 up.
8-2 up.
@@Box0rz I stand corrected. He looked an even bigger knob than I thought then.
@@Anu_Sol McGill was the bigger Knob
Clarke the absolute mug , gutted McGill lost to kyren :(
McGill isnt even in the same league as Kyren, and shouldnt have got that far anyway, grumpy prick
McGill was acting like a nob, like the video showed he asked him to move and sit down only to then play a different red which was the only right shot anyway. He was just looking for an excuse, a shame Clarke didn't stop it getting in his head. Glad McGill lost to Kyren.
I lost ALL respect for McGill over this, he's a bad person and I hope and Pray he gets what he deserves.
You're the nob
How was he 😂😂 he’s been bumped many a time and been sound about it you clearly don’t watch much snooker. The fact Clarke did it to perry in a different way said it all and tweeted a load of crap lol
@@jasonwalls1466 actually I watch a lot of snooker but not sure how that fits into the equation. I like McGill but in this instance he was wrong and frustrated, can't say I'd be any different but he is meant to be a professional. I saw the Perry incident, again was frustration and just picking out an excuse.
And yes the Tweet was stupid, is what I meant by allowing McGill get in his head.
Misfit fair enough but do you not find it a bit weird that two people complained 2 matches?
I have an issue with the referee saying “when he plays a shot I want you back in your chair.”
Then McGill is seen standing on two shots whilst Clarke is playing. The rule must be enforced on both not just one.
Naive by Clarke tweeting though.
well said
Totally agree
I agree, bad by yan
Here's what the rulebook says about the non-striker. Jan's 100% right.
*Section 4.*
5. Non-striker
_The non-striker shall, when the striker is playing, avoid standing or moving in the line of sight of the striker. They shall sit or stand at a reasonable distance from the table and avoid making any movement or action that may interrupt the concentration of the striker._
@@SteS yes true jan is wright but McGill did it aswell but never got pulled up about it
McGill is a moaning little bitch
It was totally a nonesense by Mcgill. Its just that he was losing and by this way he put alot of pressure on Clarke. And when clakre was playing a shot Mcgill was standing beside him which is totally not normal. He asked the refree to ask him to sit down and do the same as he did but refree said its ok which was not ok at all if a player is standing on ur head it gives u pressure.
I don't think that it is too much of an issue to be stood at the black end of the table behind the player at the table when you know that he will not be attempting a pot but playing safe by returning the cue ball back to the black end of the table. Yet having said that, if McGill has complained about Clarke not going back to his chair after playing, then he should have gone and sat down himself and Clarke was entitled to ask him to and the referee should not have intervened.
Even if the difference was that on some of the shots, McGill was playing to pot the ball rather than play safe and you do not really want your opponent in your eye line when going for a pot.
You've got no clue what you're talking about. I've been watching snooker for 30 years and can't remember anyone behaved like Clarke. Ever.
Wtf did you just say?, hahaaaaa
i think this was an over-reaction from McGill and unnecessarily confrontational.
the second 'issue' McGill complaints his opponent is not returning to his seat while standing directly in front of the opponent seat!
and later on stands at the other end of the table as his opponent takes his shot. (see about 01:58)
and not to mention running after your opponent whos taking a quick break and confronting him.
I think the referee is a very high standard referee, but i think he did not handle this particularly well.
I watched this match and McGill has gone way way down in my opinion.
He’s a prize tosser and bullied his way to a win. He would not try this on with Ronnie, Selby, Trump, McGuire etc.
I don't play snooker, but when I play pool I hate having my opponent stand behind me. Really I'm just paranoid and I hate anyone standing behind me at any distance. I would have asked that McGill have a seat like he's supposed to.
McGill played mind games and never should have been allowed to confront Clarke.
I love snooker but my god do they complain about f**k all sometimes.
Not good to see you got no Idea what ya saying.. your better sticking to pocket ball playing double handed
@@derekmerry784 you're
@@derekmerry784 The whole eyeline thing does seem to be a bit overdone though when they have tournaments where players on the other tables are in their eyeline. The German masters for instance the tables only have like waist height separators so the players can see across multiple tables, yet that doesn't interfere with their eyeline having movement from other tables?
I just want to throw it out there that if that fluke in the semi final went the other way and McGill got to the final, I think McGill would have had a great chance to win it. He wouldn't have been intimidated by his opponent and I think he would have done it, despite it being a long shot. BUT, this year is a new year, and McGill is seeded in the championships this time
If if if......
Never heard of McGill or Perry moaning about such things before so I am inclined to believe Clarke was either naïve or playing games. And sending that tweet during the match shows an aggressive lack of respect. I hope he recovers from the incidence and learns from it and does not get bitter.
Seems Clarke is prone to getting in the way of his opposition's eyeline.
Anthony was in the right here, all he was saying was that Jamie was in his eyeline, people make this out to be a massive controversy yet it wasn't really.
he's not in the right, Clarke wasn't in his eyeline yet McGill told him to sit down anyway, he's effectively accusing Clarke of gamesmanship and it clearly threw him off his game.
@@redkingoldhero38 when mcgill kept playing safety shots from the balk end of the table Clark was stood at the back end of the table slightly in McGill's eyeline, no doubt mcgill overreacted by Chasing Clark backstage that was wrong but he had every right to be annoyed with Clark and ask him to sit down!!!
@@emreeves1853 the right answer is probably somewhere between both our opinions. Its defintely possible Clarke didnt walk back to his seat to annoy McGill. I just want to give the benefit of the doubt to clarke
If that was true then why does all the other players not bother about it?
@@ianwilliamson2980 bacause he may not of done it against them and they may of not wanted to say anything to avoid the controversy
What's the outro ?
Clarke knows exactly what he,s doing.He,s trying to wind McGill up. You play your shot and then sit down. McGill completely right to call him for it and the ref should of pulled Clarke and warned him.
For some reason this video hasn't been shown to me until now. Nevertheless, great work as always Cesar!
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Please do a video like this for the Ronnie/Allen exchange. From the highlight that I have seen, they only cover the final argument and not the events leading to it. Cheers!
So Clarke lost after tweeting "You wanna dance, let's dance" ?
Total tosser
Put on his red shoes and danced the blues 😂😁 all the way back home
Yeah, turns out he isn't a great dancer :D
Kinda similar to the O'Sullivan v Allen incident at Champions of Champions last year.
Good video.
I’m not a fan of Clarke’s attitude. McGill and Perry have every right to raise a concern if he’s distracting them. Clarke needs to grow up and take it on the chin instead of arguing about it.
Refree is just saying that "all u had to do was follow the damn train", JC
*CJ
Can't really see what Clarke did wrong. If there had been an audience, someone in the audience would have been in McGill's line of sight! So what? So long as Clarke didn't move as McGill was down on the shot it's fine. There will be times when, even if Clarke was sitting in his chair, he would have been in McGill's eye-line. What then? As for Joe Perry - he didn't like the placement of Clarke's white towel(!) - I'm kind of lost for words. All a bit petty from a couple of players who were losing at the time of the incidents, and who are experienced enough not to be distracted by such things. Smells to me more of gamesmanship on their part, hoping to break Clarke's concentration.
Sing when you're winning, cry when you're losing!
Awesome video
Would McGill have done the same if it was O'Sullivan in his eye line? I doubt it...
Ye no one wants to get in a debate with a big child
If mcgill had of done the same with ronnie, ronnie would of told him to fk off back to his chair, passed him a box of crayons n a colouring book n told him to be a good boy!!! Mcgill always moaning whingeing about something n such a sad loser!!!
@@gazza1136 Ronnie can be a crybaby too 🤣
@@AidanMillward of course!! But then you can be when your the best snooker player on the planet!!😊
@@gazza1136 This comment didn't exactly age well..
Thanks again ! Good job Cesar
Can someone suggest me what music is played at last? Thanks.
It's called "Plenty Step" from the YT library.
@@CesarMuroya Thank you sir!
Standing in the line of sight is ABSOLUTELY BLATANT, hell I get up from where I'm sitting and move out of the line of sight. Being asked repeatedly to do so is clearly on purpose.
Can’t believe I spent eight minutes watching that 😂 back to watching Bill Werbeniuk drink beer
I liked the music they played to calm them down. Good idea.
Later on in the tournament, Selby was crying about his opponent playing shots that didn't please him.
Slowbie is a true cry-baby :)
It was totally desrespectful from Ronnie to play like that in the safety exchanges, but it is what it is
@@brunoandrade7768 Is it you, Slowbie? :)
@@brunoandrade7768 Loads of people have played H&H shots. It is not disrespectful. Sometimes it just seems like the best option.
McGill is a crybaby
referee looks like he is going to snap his infinity gauntlet
"Im inevitable"
I reckon an empty arena emboldened the players to get narky with each other. A big crowd is likely to be intimidating enough to curtail such unprofessionalism.
I'd love any of them to have a game at my local hall 🤣 'your bag of pork scratchings is in my line of sight'...
What is the music at the end please, thanks?
"Plenty Step" from the YT library.
Any chance of a video special on the SF??!
I'm afraid it'd be difficult due to copyright issues :(
This video could be titled "seeded player invents nonsense and succeeds in unsettling qualifier at Crucible"
McGill knew exactly what he was doing here.
You're a good storyteller
Just as my opponent is about to take his shot I like to yell out "miss miss cocky's piss"
What music in the end?
"Plenty Step" from the YT library.
Players do this to Ronnie all the time, because by the time they reach their chair he's potted 3 or 4 balls and by the time they finished sitting down they have to get up and break the next frame.
What is difference stand up at 1end and being in eye line or sitting down at other end and being in eye line . As much as I love this game it gets a bit pompous especially this world championship I know there’s a lot at stake but other tournaments they don’t have the screen there is a lot more noise from the crowd. They are supposed to be professionals they learnt there trade in places where there would be a lot more going on maybe they should make that a part of it and then we would have a champ that not only can play but also shut out the distractions
Simple, you should always strive to keep out of your opponents eye line. If you’re actually electing to stand up when it’s not your shot... This allows a little movement, however when you are sitting, in a players eye line you should remain absolutely stationary.. Go back a few decades, you sit and await your turn... So it’s a form of gamesmanship, like loitering seconds after the balls have all stopped after you have played your shot, delaying your opponent or hanging around in a players eye line or fidgeting when seated.. You don’t see an issue, fine, but if it not your shot... When requested, sit the fcuk down and don’t move and remember the other player shouldn’t have to ask you to do so, it’s a respect thing and it should be done automatically... 👍
I don't think McGill did anything wrong, with the exception of over reacting. He should have asked the referee to deal with it
From what I saw, Clarke had the upper hand and tried to 'push McGill's button' and cause McGill to lose concentration.
In the end it backfired. The situation was brought under control and Clarke lost his concentration after losing the psychological battle.
Only Jamie Clarke knows for certain whether it was deliberate or carelessness. However, either way, it does seem to have been happening to some extent so I think McGill had an initial right to have a quiet word to the referee about it, who could have had a quiet word with Clarke and then kept an eye out for it, etc. However as the senior player, I think McGill handled it very poorly. Directly confronting his inexperienced opponent was wrong, and I think he went on too long and spoke too impatiently to the ref rather than respectfully. It wasn't how I like to see Snooker players behaving, regardless of how frustrated they are. Neither player came out of it well, but, as we can't be certain how culpable Clarke was of the initial accusation, then I was more disappointed with the way McGill handled it and how he took it too far. It was an ugly and unsporting way for him to beat the Crucible debutant and I was hoping he lost to Maflin in the next round.
@@andymerrett as long as the player doesn't stand in the strikers eyeline. Mc Gill was standing directly behind.
Here's the rule.
*Section 4.*
5. Non-striker
_The non-striker shall, when the striker is playing, avoid standing or moving in the line of sight of the striker. They shall sit or stand at a reasonable distance from the table and avoid making any movement or action that may interrupt the concentration of the striker._
Problem is players allowing their opponent to affect them for too long before doing something about it: Immediately your opponent is in your eyeline you should ask them - politely - to sit down or move out of the way. Don't let it get to you first.
I'm just GLAD sneaky McGill didn't the World Championships this year!!! He distracted Clarke for the rest of the match
clearly the incident rattled Clarke more than McGill - McGill is a shifty unit
@@nyrbsamoht at least he didn't the Championship thank god say all of us
You can tell this is a gentleman's game when this petty squabble is news
Ok, 4:44 was an unexpected twist in my snooker incidents videos bingewatching
What I don't get is why not make the playing area a little bigger. Remove one additional row of seats at the crucible.
Looks like the Smiling Assassin is just assassinating smiles these days
1:38 wrong. Clarke needs to sit. He is in his peripheral vision.
Standing behind opponent during safety exchange is common and acceptable by all, not at side. The shot you said it's the only one to play (the one played) is true only to some extent.
How did you obtain this...?!? Funny.
I agree. When a player is at the table, the opponent should make every effort to stay out of his line of sight or stay seated in their assigned chair.
Standing in a player's line of sight is called "Sharking" and it's extremely rude, whether or not it's done deliberately.
LEGENDARY
Thnx mate I really wanted to know what happend .
You are welcome.
I think both of them acted like kids to be fair. I don’t believe Clarke meant to cause any trouble, and maybe his lack of experience accounted for him not realising that he was putting McGill off. And that tweet he put out at the interval was excruciatingly embarrassing. McGill on the other hand didn’t need to be be such a prick about it. He was on the offensive from the very first incident, just because he was losing. Rather than acknowledging Clarke’s lack of experience at the crucible, and being nice about it, he came across all confrontational which didn’t help the situation at all. I also thought Jan could have handled it better. I think warning Clarke was needlessly excessive. If he was going to be consistent with his warnings, he should have also warned McGill for going at Clarke again, when he had been specifically told not to.
Can’t believe he came back FairPlay to McGill
Nah McGill is a weasel 👊
Jan Verhaas looked like a Bond villain with that beard. Best snooker referee ever in my opinion. Very fair and comes across as a good man.
I dont remember this kind of conduct in the 70's and 80's
No you just had Alex Higgins threatening to have Dennis Taylor killed.
@@johnelkin3557 yeah but apart from that john... 😉
i can understand both players, though think it's clear it was much ado about nothing, but nerves got to McGill at that point, and after that to Clarke.
If Clarke had to sitting down cause it was a tight environment, why the hell didn't McGill need to sit down but could stand behind? After all, it wasn't even about being on the line of sight, but about 'tight environment' according to Verhaas. Verhaas handled the whole thing poorly, and probably ruined Clarke's game. Anyway, players often don't go to sit down, as long as they keep still it's normal, even in line of sight. i half think McGill actually did this on purpose but hope he was just a wreck instead.
You're right, the rule book doesn't prohibit being in line of sight, but moving around when you're there, which never happened. However, I think it was okay to ask Clarke to sit down or whatever, but accusing him of unsportsmanlike required much more evidence than just McGill's perception. The damage can be irreparable when it comes to reputation.
@@CesarMuroya Yeah, i agree. It was ok to ask Clarke to sit down if McGill was bothered.
Thanks for another interesting video! Saw some of it afterwards as replay on ES but not everything relevant that happened and it's kind of unfortunate they mentioned Perry's complaint against Clarke there too, implying Clarke had a reputation for such tactics.
La verdad me gustaría que alguien me explique que es lo que pasó.. ya que no entiendo el idioma ...
McGill acusa a Clarke de invadir su línea de visión intencionalmente.
@@CesarMuroya la visión o sea esconder la bola?!?
@@robertozalazar7404 No. Acusa a Clarke de ubicarse dentro de su campo visual para perturbar su concentración cuando apunta y ejecuta la jugada.
Clarke is being unprofessional not returning to his seat!
Not at all.
McGill was complaining that he was in his eye line, yet managed to take shots where Clarke is seated BUT still in his eye line, he’s a professional and they are normally surrounded by hundreds of fans when playing a match, he was just being a nob 😁
@@scottconnorzzzzz when not playing at the table, you are advised to return to your seat. To not do this is unprofessional. Regardless of fans being there or not
@@jamescleary5198
You are advised not to be in the players eye line, which you can be even when sitting down as was shown when ROS had an issue with someone he was playing was sat and he accused him of fidgeting.
It is not a rule, you are allowed to stand as was shown in This video when he was stood behind the ref.
@@jamescleary5198
Being professional had nothing to do with not returning to your seat so your comment is incorrect.
It would be unprofessional to constantly be in someone’s eye line, you can be stood and not in someone’s eye line and remain professional as many players do.
@@scottconnorzzzzz he used unsporting conduct and therefore was unprofessional. He was told by the referee a couple times before in the same match! I think you’ve been in too many American pool bars
What's with the music at the end 😂🤣
I can't tell whether this video was edited poorly or the complaints were actually that silly.
I mean, this channel's videos are usually great so I'd say the second option, but it's really such a silly thing to complain about that I can't comprehend it.
Hi Cesar, Great work. Please present the similar incident that happened recently between ROS and Mark Allen in champ of champs where Mark eventually called it 'bullying'.
It was bullying. Sullivan is an awful person
At 0:15 I was so mad that nobody applauded for what McGill just did... Then I noticed it was 2020 and realised no one was there
Yeah I heard about this incident Im glad it didn't ruin Jamie Clarkes career
What career 😂
I think it was just nerves by Clarke and probably
Not used to the environment of world champs. Also the fact perry got angry with him game before probably primed mcgills anger.
Angry confrontational between the two most unlikeliest of players to do so.
Jan Ver Haas looks like a villain's mean assistant with that beard
The first moment is total BS imo from McGill, Clarke is no way in his eyeline for the shot on the red, I believe McGill's tactic was to unsettle the lower ranked, less experienced Clarke and put him off his game, seeing as McGill was really struggling at this stage. Unfortunately for Clarke it seems McGill did get in his head as he released that tweet and went on to lose the match. I dont think McGill would try the same trick on a more experienced higher ranked player and definitely not on someone like O'Sullivan.
would have liked to see both players at the end of this match. Did they acknowledge one another or just walk out?
I don't think McGill would dare to ask O'Sullivan to sit down.
No way, ronnie will give him some good cue action.
Why what makes Ronnie so special he wouldn't ask?
@@owengardiner4628 McGill would then be humiliated by receiving another record-breaking 147 & yeah-in-your-face celebration.
Difference being ronnie wouldn’t be in his way he knows the drill better than most
@@owengardiner4628 Because he knows Ronnie would tell him not to be such a knob and get on with it
Should have left this experienced referee monitor the situation rather than have direct confrontation between the players.
I think Clark was in the wrong but don’t think it was intentional. Just stay out of the players eye line. He’s not down the club playing with his mates where that’s totally fine. It’s a competitive environment with lots of prize money on the line.
I love Jan, but I think he was wrong in one way. He told he had to sit down, but he doesn't. There is no law requiring non-striker to sit down, only to avoid being in the line of sight.
Is it Mathew Kelly reffing
Pretty sure my teacher had similar conversations with me at primary school.
Like watching two children arguing
As a professional referee, he is the one who should have noticed FIRST and straight away remind/warned Clarke on his mistake BEFORE Mcgill do. Referee are slow, not sharp and not professional enough on this occasion. Disappointed.
I’ve never really understood the whole eyeline thing. I play a fair bit of snooker at the local club and it hardly gets mentioned 🤷♂️ granted none of us are pros but there’s a few players that consistently get centuries. I saw Bingham moaning like hell at a camera man a few years ago and I just don’t get it
Probably why I’m not a pro 😂
Jamie Clarke fan I assume?
Waiting for your take on the Ronnie-Allen incident!
Ronnie had an incident with Selby in frame 8 of the Scottish open final - he accused him of drinking water to distract him!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@7900Territory Ronnie moans about everything. Quite frankly I kinda get bored of his stupid comments and silly moments. Comes across as a bit of a bully actually.
@7900Territory and Ronnie often seem to have needle with Selby.
Welcome to the Crucigarten
Kicked off between Ronnie and Allen tonight
mcgill turned into o'sullivan (versus allen)
Wow tense stuff in a very highly tense sport lol.
If you are this easily distracted, good lord don't try and play in a bar/pub
Ill bet he never plays in bars or pubs. No pro these days would.
Or in front of a live audience while cameramen follow your every move around the table
Maybe it was McGill doing the unsportsmanlike behaviour, trying to get in Clarkes head to put him off seeing Clarke was winning 7-2
McGill won the match and deservedly so.
Clarke is the biggest bell end in snooker only matched by Mark Allen
By standing you are not making a fault but you’re putting pressure on the player
Imagine Eldon v Eddie charlton in an exhibition match! Be like watching two coats of paint drying! And mark slowby on stand by if things accidently started speeding up😂😂
Add Terry Griffiths, Cliff Thorburn, & Graeme Dott into the fold
This is the Mcgregor Khabib incident of the snooker world