I think tackling the subject of the “tophets”’ in Carthage and whether they contained children bones or animals bones, or whether the gravesite was for sacrificed children or more “premature death” graveyard, would be a relevant and interesting video.
@@zeph6439 That's the point, we're not US, it was the ancients, we don't do that anymore, and we won't in the future. The ancients were cruel to each other, they had slaves and all the other things we know well. We are better than that now, we can worship the gods in better ways, without blood magic.
Fortunately, many mentalities of many societies have changed over time. But the historical truth show us several past civilizations and cultures conducting human sacrifices, such as throughout the Hellenic World, the Romans too (even made entertainment out of it at some point), Celts, Old Germans, Nordic peoples, Iberian cultures and civilizations, Ancient Egyptians, the Mayans (Holy f**k that sh!* was hardcore), etc.
@@ArithHärgerAll of my research into the subject doesn't tally. For example, there is no proof that Mayans conducted human sacrifices - however the Incas did. Indeed, before the advent of the warrior cults, there is again, no conclusive proof of human sacrifices. The Mayans, much like the Old Europeans, were peaceful, Goddess oriented cultures. Warlike people introduced human sacrifices as a way to appease their war gods. Many of the old goddesses and gods were as we know, "changed" in nature and character as they were incorporated into the new society with it's radically new cultural and spiritual norms. Undoubtedly there people were pagans, yes, however not original god/dess oriented pagans. Even so there is no proof of the extent of these alleged sacrifices -what I have found is that the vast majority of the allegations of human sacrifice have been made by enemies of paganism. To my mind an allegory would be if say, Hitler had won the last world war and commissioned his lackeys to write down the history of the Jews. Would this be "proof" of all the things they thought of Jewish people? Have a look at the Hellenic pantheon - archaeologists were amazed by the fact that all of these gods existed long before the warlike Achaeans, and again had very different characters . Zeus was portrayed as a giant serpent with a beard, similar to Osiris, and Set was revered by the Pharaohs of the Early Dynastic era before he was made into a prototype of the Devil by the Late Dynasty rulers and then the Copts. This pattern of invasion, subjugation and remodelling of the deities and subsequent societies occurred worldwide.
Hard to imagine what type of mentality and views on life people used to have, to have reached such points in religion. But then again, several countries these days continue to do the same, just in a way that seems "justifiably" for the average joe. They call it "war" nowadays, "in defence of freedom". Thank you my dear friends, have a wonderful day!
@@spiritofmatter1881 Health 'care', abortion, war, and the various 'lesser' forms o' democide practiced by the Nations upon it's population sure tends to indicate that, some'one' still has a keen interest in "ritualistic murder". Lots of it. Skullduggery an' scumbaggery abound. 🙂 Rick Bonner Pennsyltucky
today jews still have child sacrafice one way or another and if you dont believe that then start with their traditional gatherings for newborn baby boys and how they suck the blood from the head of their penis after a fresh circumcision.
Infanticide for "practical" reasons (not ritual sacrifice) was also practiced during the Viking Age as attested in the Sagas. Since there was no effective contraception, unwanted, sickly, or deformed infants could be disposed of by exposing the newborn. From what I understand, an infant was not recognized as a human being with any rights until it was named and accepted by its father, so up until that time, disposing of it or killing it was not considered "murder". But this only applied to newborn infants; it was considered murder to kill an older baby or child who had been named. One of the first Christian laws imposed in Iceland was a ban on infanticide of unwanted newborns.
This was also practiced Sparta and throughout Greece and Italy, and Egypt. Unfortunately reproductive healthcare of the ancients was not as good as later generations who would come to understand fertility better. They had a decent understanding of how pregnancy and women’s cycles happen, and even what foods help combat infertility to a point, bur they did not really understand how the traumas of war say, impact hormones and cause miscarriages, and most women who had to give a caesarian birth died. Thank goodness for science- for all the terrible it has done in the world when abused, the good it has done when we take the Hippocratic oath seriously, has far outweighed it. It’s hard to judge people who lived in much harsher times. Then again, the times we find ourselves in today are perhaps more brutal in some ways…
I live in a very harsh environment. Very cold in winter. Very hot in summer. My people lived very different. They cared not much for their basic culture.
Thought provoking for sure. I believe also that due to interbreeding with the clans and tribes that some of these children could have had defor have had deformhad deform
Happy to see you shine again 🫂 'nice' subject, I admit I didn't delay watching it because I live in a city called Thor...igny (thor's fire) 😝. Don't feel guilty for the title, it's actually considered 'notmal' we even have some 'titraille' class in journalistic study where I live... It's OK everybody is used to this and No one will hold it against you. Edit * about vengeance allowed : I can't remember the term, but there was something similar to the 'talion law' (an eye for an eye) in France, they stopped because allowing it was decimating entire families.
I’m so grateful for all your work and I listen often. Very concerned about the content push back from the unseen realm too. You are very wise and shed light in darkness. No matter, all matters may you have peace and light. 💙🩵🧡💛🤍
Not true really. Excepting for warlike cultures such as the Aztec and Incas, and occasionally among the Viking era Nordic peoples during times of warfare with the Romans, human sacrifice wasn't a feature of God/dess centered society. Don';t be fooled so easily.
If you look at things like witch burnings, I would argue that Christianity did not actually put an end to religious murder/human sacrifice. At the moment, the government basically has a monopoly on violence, and police murders often get overlooked (at least in the US). While the slaying of innocent children is highly morally questionable, pretty much everyone who's not a pacifist agrees that violence can be used in certain circumstances to protect the higher good (e.g. fighting terrorists, protecting your family from attack, etc.) - but people disagree on what the "higher good" is.
I really love your attitude. For me the biggest conclusion is: we were always humans. We were always stupid, we were always diverse. I love your message!
Is it thou? We really don't know what is happening in Vatican ex. And above (at least in my country) there's a LOT of child abuse and rapes from church towards children. Energetically it's pretty much the same...
lol 😂 shake things up eh ? I like to break those walls and windows too lol. Good videos my friend. Cat is adorable. I dunno if you’re on instagram anymore.
Individuals build many walls around them (I do too), and societies as well. From time to time we have to break break them, because reality is too diverse to fit inside limited perceptions. I'm not on Instagram anymore, but I do have a new project there (another account) which may later come to the public :p be well and thank you!
As modern pagans, I think we have to recognise the past is not fully positive and it would be absurde to copy the violence of past times... We bring a modern understanding to past culture and rituals and it is very well.
Amazing and informative content as always, Arith. I always enjoy how much knowledge I can glean from your videos...and it doesn't even cost me an eye ;) It's important to frame what we proclaim as "true" within the cultural context. All religions do and have done things that we would find horrible. It's important to remember how spiritual beliefs grow and change, for both the good and the bad. It's why a flexibility is needed when we walk our spiritual paths when we find our deities/spirits/Other Persons we get involved with. One of the reasons I have never felt drawn to Odin is that even as a "neo pagan", he seems demanding, treacherous, and quite cruel at times. In contrast, Thor has always felt more protective if direct, giving me a sense of tenacity and finishing what must be started. I understand that these "feelings" about the gods are extrapolations of personal gnosis and education from channels and sources such as yours. We should always forge our own paths spiritually, but it should not be with willful ignorance to the past. Thank you for educating us further. Oh, and Thor: Love and Thunder is pretty garbage, but I don't hate it. I found the throwaway line about eating children to be hysterical, but my sense of humor is very, very dark XD
The claim of “pagan" human sacrifices does indeed come from a Christian written source and so it is through that claim that archaeological and anthropological finds are filtered. Finding bodies in a well does not prove they were killed intentionally/sacrificed. It could very well be that because the sites had important spiritual value to the people they put deceased loved ones in a well. Christians buried people on church lands.
OK I realize I'm relatively new to the "pagan" faith, been a believer since 2018 when I had a very strong personal experience. But I do not believe the followers of the old religion sacrificed children or their own people. I don't doubt for a minute that they sacrificed prisoners of war from different regions, or slaves during a major event. But they did not kill their own people or children.
Perhaps you have only seen the first 2min of that other video. After almost 3 min I say I will still do videos for UA-cam and I'll be around Patreon. I've got out of other social media networks though.
I cannot help but wonder how so many people were led to believe that by murdering their own people something good would come from it. Does anyone know where the idea to do such things came from?
Ritualistic cannibalism is not mainstream, but it happens, look at Russo-Ukrainan war it's on the video record, where's war and strong emotions there idea of eating the flesh of the enemy shows up. And to idea of consuming the future of the enemies is not far behind. I'm not only not suprised ancients did it, as i find it unapologetically cool.
Highly doubtful as Thor was more popular among the common folk partly because his worship did not require human sacrifice. There are even hints in mythology that the Cults of Odin and Thor often butted heads. That said, one thing I’d like to point out is that the Celtic incarnation of Tyr… Teutates… Specifically received sacrifices via bogs and drowning. Is it possible that the Danish children were sacrificed to Tyr specifically?
Early medieval Scandinavian pagans could have different morals, different values associated with the same gods. The ways the people honoured the gods could be very different between close communities, nevermind say between Norway and Denmark...
You can also, though never prove, that a bad priest or priestess could be at fault. Research Jim Jones for an American example but some evidence points out that in Aztec society daily sacrifice may have not always been the case. Perhaps a bad priest could demand sacrifices where none was required before.
Interesting. The claim of “pagan" human sacrifices does indeed come from a Christian written source and so it is through that claim that archaeological and anthropological finds are filtered. Finding bodies in a well does not prove they were killed intentionally/sacrificed. It could very well be that because the sites had important spiritual value to the people they put deceased loved ones in a well. Christians buried people on church lands.
The bone evidences are clear they were sacrificed. There's a long range of studies on human osteological remains and markings of death, how they died, how they lived, how they were killed and patterns of intentional death for specific purposes. I'm afraid these children were very much sacrificed.
Good, very good thal always....mmm the secret monit jesuit ....manipulaton of histories...for what...the same intenti😊ons, sell a cristian moral like a better value... Thanks for yout video and your impecable work....
Still nothing compareed to the global "cabal". In fact, a lot of this came exactly from there, including a lot of the norse "spells". Later wedged into European societies insidiously, perfidiously.
There is no way to sugar coat it, these people were no bs and if a small person is shown it is a child more likely than not not some artist interpretation
Hello. Nice to see you again (I have to recover the other videos, my fault) I remember the "Vikings" TV early seasons where was shown the sacrifice of children before starting attacking a city or a Village or a Monastir... But Celts seemed doing the same with slaves before building their open villages.🤔 But I always ready that for pagans human Life was so importante that was the best choice for some cults... So, in a certain sense, nothing really new. Your cats are sooo lovebale😽😻
Yesterday I was actually reading about the amazonian myth involving the appearance of Açaí, and it's precisely about that strategy to limit population growth due to low food resources. It's brutal and sad, but it has been a reality in many societies, especially among societies in periods of low food resources due to climate changes or environments where harsh climates don't allow the growth of food.
I would suggest reading some of my replies to other comments, but I think UA-cam is goofing around and the comments keep disappearing, but I save everything I write, so this is what I replied to similar comments such as yours: " It is true that Christianity has commited several crimes and atrocities, especially through Protestantism, but it can hardly fall into the category of "human sacrifice" within religion, as the motivations may be seemingly religious (they have made it sound religious as a form of justification to foment fear and hatred), but the aim was extermination, genocide, far more for political reasons or mass hysteria, (1) either to consolidate Christendom, (2) or to overthrow other powers that were a direct threat to the political and economic power of Christian Europe, (3) or to fight a common enemy ("The Devil"). Human Sacrifice properly saying within Religion, truly had religious reasons, mostly: (1) to obtain some type of supernatural advantage; (2) apotropaic motivation; (3) votive offering to the gods; (4) sacrifice of enslaved people to accompany their masters in the afterlife. There are several types of Human Sacrifice, and we still have them nowadays, in the same form Medieval and Modern and Colonial Christianity had, but these days hardly for true religious beliefs/perceptions like pre-Christian civilizations had. " Thank you, have a great day!
@@ArithHärger Thanks for the reply and clarification, but I really think this is a case of semantics. A town with less "sinners communing with demons" is a supernatural benefit, and just because their relationship with their God is based on fear of retribution (mass hysteria) rather than reciprocity, doesn't mean that they aren't ending human lives in order to manipulate the spiritual currents around them. Yahweh specifically has a history of demanding human sacrifice (Numbers 31) as a part of conquest, and the officials who ordered crusades most certainly knew their Bible. I don't think it's a stretch to equate the actions at all, I think it only seems different because Yahweh has a different relationship with his devotees, but the killings certainly made his cult stronger. I have a model of religious activity (and culture) based significantly on occult philosophy, and imo it doesn't matter what emotions you are using to get people to charge your idols with death, that is still what you are doing, and it works to "instill the fear of God", diminish idolatry, etc. The social controls and genocides are supernatural goals when your theology is one where people are constantly under assault from demons tempting them to sin, and when other political structures are in competition with the Kingdom Of God, destroying those political structures is religious practice, and the deaths advance the supernatural aims of their cult. Creating and sustaining hierarchical political structures is the stated and intended purpose of most major Yahweh cults, and followers accomplishing this spiritual aim through violence is an act of sacrifice. In his mythology, Yahweh inspired one group of Canaanite peoples to murder many others and establish a kingdom which was a divine representation of his will on earth, and the fact that many of his followers have attempted to repeat this act shouldn't be separated. When a religion is intentionally political, it's political acts are religious. The self appointed "Army of God" marches along the southern border of Texas as we speak looking for people to kill.
@@Volundur9567 are executions intended to restore a divine order, instill "the fear of God" in the onlookers, and banish spiritual entities you deem demonic actually all that different from a human sacrifice ritual? It is manipulating supernatural forces with ritualized human death. That is a human sacrifice in my definition, and it really just seems like we're letting it be sanitized by its association with political institutions and goals even though abrahamic religions are literally based on instituting divine order through political institutions, that was, according to the texts, the original thing that yahweh did and the reason he was venerated, and in the process of establishing this kingdom, he literally calls for humans as a sacrifice in Numbers. If certain Aztec gods needed to be placated with human sacrifice to avert disaster, how is burning witches to avoid the wrath of God any different? Cause someone swung a gavel? Where did those courts draw their authority from?
1:00 hahahahaha! That’s what some say about that Arthouse Joker film from a while ago. That it’s somehow brilliant but it’s just complex and rah rah rah. Yeah I’m not buying it.
A wise person once told me than pagan was anyone who was not a Christian. I found that very helpful because then we are drawn to the many varied cultural ideologies and differences in justice, marriage , sacrifice ECT it seems Roman paganism was far more hedonistic compared to the connection to the earth with other cultures vet interesting
I took the reference in the Thor movie as a joke and an interesting Christianism in its own way. Given the wholesomeness of Thor in the Marvel movies, there is some humor in juxtaposing that vague Christian impression of pagan child sacrifice against his characterization. And I think there is an impression among Christians that (1) pagans sacrifice people to their gods (and especially children because of condemnations of sacrificing children to Moloch in the Bible-a practice that we independently know to have been historically real) and (2) that we generally sacrifice "food" to the gods (the Christian God included) for those gods to enjoy. When you combine those two biblical impressions, you get the notion that perhaps pagan gods were eating child sacrifices. I don't think Christians "believe" that with respect to all pagan mythology/gods per se (but...Moloch was depicted as a child-eating fallen angel in Milton's Paradise Lost). Still, it does seem like a plausible potential implication of what you learn when you are raised Christian. I would also add that "child" sacrifice, even with Moloch, didn't necessarily mean "underage" child sacrifice, though surely it sometimes was that. There is some evidence that a Canaanite (including a Phoenician) who was so inclined might sacrifice an adult child to Moloch.
I hate new age idea of paganism, paganism is umbrella term for native faiths of old world, but wiccan and other cringe urbanoids will piss in a jar of flowers and call it pagan.
You always manage to answer questions I have thought of!!! I laughed when you mentioned feeling bad about a click bait title!!! Thanks for the honesty ❤
Great video, Arith! It makes me wonder if human sacrifice was practiced by all human societies in prehistoric times, and then it gradually stopped overtime because mentalities and sensibilities change. Or maybe (I might sound idealistic and silly hypothesizing that) in the beginning of human existence -- in some kind of Golden Age/Satya Yuga -- no human sacrifice was ever practiced because human beings used to live really close to the gods, and to the gods human sacrifice is abhorrent. And then human sacrifice was later added in religious practices, because humans regressed spiritually and the true faith became more and more corrupted.
Is it possible that archeologists on the future. Without context for a christianity is, would conclude it's a religonnof human sacrifice. Look at all these bodies they found by idols of crosses and Jesus, must be human sacrifice.
Noooooooo, Christianity save us from all the evil pagans , these beasts sacrifice their own children, Christianity save us!!!!!!! Alleluia!!!!!! Allllle luuuuuu luuuu luuuu iiiii ii i i iiii aaaaaaaaaa!
Arith! Consider Your Self to have had.... Some slack cut to You. With some Teachers, a lil' wee bit o' exaggerated curiosity dangled before an interested Audience is... Delightsome. 🙂 Rick Bonner Pennsyltucky
@@ArithHärger oooh, tough guy eh lol. Looks nice on ya though bro. Great video. When I was a kid, I was obsessed with the whole "viking" mythos. I read the Havamel, in English and Old Norse (I was lost like 40% of it lol) and I would like to make note that the original Havamel straight up encourages a Child Sacrifice "under only the most dire of circumstances". I think, personally, that most of the listed sacrifices were purely for show. Kind of like how the Catholics will "consume the body and blood of Christ". Not actually eating people, but the symbolism and all that. Maybe I should pick back up on my lessons in Old Norse. I love their runic writing system. It is very much like Chinese, where a Rune / Character can be a letter, a whole word, or even a concept.
Today we sacrifice our children on many different altars . The gods of these times are ruthless and hungry . Their names are legion . Money , power , efficiency, soullessness...
I think tackling the subject of the “tophets”’ in Carthage and whether they contained children bones or animals bones, or whether the gravesite was for sacrificed children or more “premature death” graveyard, would be a relevant and interesting video.
Accusations of Pagan child sacrifices are a big arrow in our enemy's quivers.
They Accuse every body of doing it these days.
@@rodrigorafael.9645Imagine Freya accepting a little baba as a sacrifice....is that us and our deities?
@@zeph6439 That's the point, we're not US, it was the ancients, we don't do that anymore, and we won't in the future.
The ancients were cruel to each other, they had slaves and all the other things we know well. We are better than that now, we can worship the gods in better ways, without blood magic.
Fortunately, many mentalities of many societies have changed over time. But the historical truth show us several past civilizations and cultures conducting human sacrifices, such as throughout the Hellenic World, the Romans too (even made entertainment out of it at some point), Celts, Old Germans, Nordic peoples, Iberian cultures and civilizations, Ancient Egyptians, the Mayans (Holy f**k that sh!* was hardcore), etc.
@@ArithHärgerAll of my research into the subject doesn't tally. For example, there is no proof that Mayans conducted human sacrifices - however the Incas did. Indeed, before the advent of the warrior cults, there is again, no conclusive proof of human sacrifices. The Mayans, much like the Old Europeans, were peaceful, Goddess oriented cultures. Warlike people introduced human sacrifices as a way to appease their war gods. Many of the old goddesses and gods were as we know, "changed" in nature and character as they were incorporated into the new society with it's radically new cultural and spiritual norms.
Undoubtedly there people were pagans, yes, however not original god/dess oriented pagans.
Even so there is no proof of the extent of these alleged sacrifices -what I have found is that the vast majority of the allegations of human sacrifice have been made by enemies of paganism. To my mind an allegory would be if say, Hitler had won the last world war and commissioned his lackeys to write down the history of the Jews. Would this be "proof" of all the things they thought of Jewish people?
Have a look at the Hellenic pantheon - archaeologists were amazed by the fact that all of these gods existed long before the warlike Achaeans, and again had very different characters . Zeus was portrayed as a giant serpent with a beard, similar to Osiris, and Set was revered by the Pharaohs of the Early Dynastic era before he was made into a prototype of the Devil by the Late Dynasty rulers and then the Copts.
This pattern of invasion, subjugation and remodelling of the deities and subsequent societies occurred worldwide.
Thank you Arith for this video, even though the subject is gruesome, you stating the facts based on evidence is worthwhile listening to.
Hard to imagine what type of mentality and views on life people used to have, to have reached such points in religion. But then again, several countries these days continue to do the same, just in a way that seems "justifiably" for the average joe. They call it "war" nowadays, "in defence of freedom". Thank you my dear friends, have a wonderful day!
@ArithHarger
They call it health care and it is global
@@spiritofmatter1881
Health 'care', abortion, war, and the various 'lesser' forms o' democide practiced by the Nations upon it's population sure tends to indicate that,
some'one' still has a keen interest in "ritualistic murder".
Lots of it.
Skullduggery an' scumbaggery abound.
🙂
Rick Bonner Pennsyltucky
today jews still have child sacrafice one way or another and if you dont believe that then start with their traditional gatherings for newborn baby boys and how they suck the blood from the head of their penis after a fresh circumcision.
The director didnt care about Thor from marvel comics let alone mythology
Facts.
So true. My eyes.
Good for him.
Infanticide for "practical" reasons (not ritual sacrifice) was also practiced during the Viking Age as attested in the Sagas. Since there was no effective contraception, unwanted, sickly, or deformed infants could be disposed of by exposing the newborn. From what I understand, an infant was not recognized as a human being with any rights until it was named and accepted by its father, so up until that time, disposing of it or killing it was not considered "murder". But this only applied to newborn infants; it was considered murder to kill an older baby or child who had been named. One of the first Christian laws imposed in Iceland was a ban on infanticide of unwanted newborns.
This was also practiced Sparta and throughout Greece and Italy, and Egypt. Unfortunately reproductive healthcare of the ancients was not as good as later generations who would come to understand fertility better. They had a decent understanding of how pregnancy and women’s cycles happen, and even what foods help combat infertility to a point, bur they did not really understand how the traumas of war say, impact hormones and cause miscarriages, and most women who had to give a caesarian birth died. Thank goodness for science- for all the terrible it has done in the world when abused, the good it has done when we take the Hippocratic oath seriously, has far outweighed it. It’s hard to judge people who lived in much harsher times. Then again, the times we find ourselves in today are perhaps more brutal in some ways…
I live in a very harsh environment. Very cold in winter. Very hot in summer. My people lived very different. They cared not much for their basic culture.
Sorry my point was infanticide was common if it's detrimental to tribe. Not wrong. Not evil just survive
and thats how vikings when from the healthiest people in the world to joining the rest of the christian dysgenics
So glad you're here ❤
Glad to be here, and happy to see you around :D
Thought provoking for sure. I believe also that due to interbreeding with the clans and tribes that some of these children could have had defor have had deformhad deform
Thank you so much for the video and the research. Please make more!
Gods I love your channel and the topics you cover. Common sense and reason on the internet is so rare, especially being entertaining as well.
Happy to see you shine again 🫂 'nice' subject, I admit I didn't delay watching it because I live in a city called Thor...igny (thor's fire) 😝. Don't feel guilty for the title, it's actually considered 'notmal' we even have some 'titraille' class in journalistic study where I live... It's OK everybody is used to this and No one will hold it against you.
Edit * about vengeance allowed : I can't remember the term, but there was something similar to the 'talion law' (an eye for an eye) in France, they stopped because allowing it was decimating entire families.
I think most people see these different societies as all of the same cloth. Your video cuts through this.
I’m so grateful for all your work and I listen often. Very concerned about the content push back from the unseen realm too. You are very wise and shed light in darkness. No matter, all matters may you have peace and light.
💙🩵🧡💛🤍
thank u for the video!!!!!! ❤❤❤❤❤
Kitty supervising the video ❤
Human sacrifice was very common in ancient cultures. It's such a huge gift to whatever deity that a civilization venerated.
Not true really. Excepting for warlike cultures such as the Aztec and Incas, and occasionally among the Viking era Nordic peoples during times of warfare with the Romans, human sacrifice wasn't a feature of God/dess centered society. Don';t be fooled so easily.
@@zeph6439 Have you heard of those Phoenicians and their Tophets?
@@MahamDjinn666 No just Queen Jezebel, the High Priestess of Asherah and YHWH and her 30 year reign over Israel.
@@MahamDjinn666 I did however read of recent Satanist human sacrifices in South Africa.
If you look at things like witch burnings, I would argue that Christianity did not actually put an end to religious murder/human sacrifice. At the moment, the government basically has a monopoly on violence, and police murders often get overlooked (at least in the US). While the slaying of innocent children is highly morally questionable, pretty much everyone who's not a pacifist agrees that violence can be used in certain circumstances to protect the higher good (e.g. fighting terrorists, protecting your family from attack, etc.) - but people disagree on what the "higher good" is.
I really love your attitude. For me the biggest conclusion is: we were always humans. We were always stupid, we were always diverse. I love your message!
Yes, but with the Christianity no more human sacrifice! Alleluia!!!
Is it thou? We really don't know what is happening in Vatican ex. And above (at least in my country) there's a LOT of child abuse and rapes from church towards children. Energetically it's pretty much the same...
lol 😂 shake things up eh ? I like to break those walls and windows too lol. Good videos my friend. Cat is adorable. I dunno if you’re on instagram anymore.
Individuals build many walls around them (I do too), and societies as well. From time to time we have to break break them, because reality is too diverse to fit inside limited perceptions. I'm not on Instagram anymore, but I do have a new project there (another account) which may later come to the public :p be well and thank you!
They're Víkaboos. Like weeaboos but with Norse culture. They are so cringe. Good on him for pressing them.😂
As modern pagans, I think we have to recognise the past is not fully positive and it would be absurde to copy the violence of past times... We bring a modern understanding to past culture and rituals and it is very well.
Modern human sacrifices are even higher numbers than historic prehistoric through War abortion etc... 😂
Love the channel😊
Amazing and informative content as always, Arith. I always enjoy how much knowledge I can glean from your videos...and it doesn't even cost me an eye ;)
It's important to frame what we proclaim as "true" within the cultural context. All religions do and have done things that we would find horrible. It's important to remember how spiritual beliefs grow and change, for both the good and the bad. It's why a flexibility is needed when we walk our spiritual paths when we find our deities/spirits/Other Persons we get involved with. One of the reasons I have never felt drawn to Odin is that even as a "neo pagan", he seems demanding, treacherous, and quite cruel at times. In contrast, Thor has always felt more protective if direct, giving me a sense of tenacity and finishing what must be started. I understand that these "feelings" about the gods are extrapolations of personal gnosis and education from channels and sources such as yours.
We should always forge our own paths spiritually, but it should not be with willful ignorance to the past. Thank you for educating us further.
Oh, and Thor: Love and Thunder is pretty garbage, but I don't hate it. I found the throwaway line about eating children to be hysterical, but my sense of humor is very, very dark XD
The claim of “pagan" human sacrifices does indeed come from a Christian written source and so it is through that claim that archaeological and anthropological finds are filtered. Finding bodies in a well does not prove they were killed intentionally/sacrificed. It could very well be that because the sites had important spiritual value to the people they put deceased loved ones in a well. Christians buried people on church lands.
Interesting! Thank you, Arith ❤
A similarity with the cult of the mesoamerican rain god Tlaloc.
There was also children sacrifice in the months previous to the raining season
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I never left UA-cam, I just left all the other social media networks :P hehe
Whenever I think of human sacrifice in pre Christian Norse times I think of that one scene in the Northman.
anyone able to find the documentary at 17:15? when I search for it, the only thing that really comes up is this video
OK I realize I'm relatively new to the "pagan" faith, been a believer since 2018 when I had a very strong personal experience. But I do not believe the followers of the old religion sacrificed children or their own people. I don't doubt for a minute that they sacrificed prisoners of war from different regions, or slaves during a major event. But they did not kill their own people or children.
I thought you were quitting!
Perhaps you have only seen the first 2min of that other video. After almost 3 min I say I will still do videos for UA-cam and I'll be around Patreon. I've got out of other social media networks though.
@@ArithHärger good choice! The less social media we consumer, the better I believe. :)
I cannot help but wonder how so many people were led to believe that by murdering their own people something good would come from it. Does anyone know where the idea to do such things came from?
Ritualistic cannibalism is not mainstream, but it happens, look at Russo-Ukrainan war it's on the video record, where's war and strong emotions there idea of eating the flesh of the enemy shows up. And to idea of consuming the future of the enemies is not far behind.
I'm not only not suprised ancients did it, as i find it unapologetically cool.
Highly doubtful as Thor was more popular among the common folk partly because his worship did not require human sacrifice. There are even hints in mythology that the Cults of Odin and Thor often butted heads. That said, one thing I’d like to point out is that the Celtic incarnation of Tyr… Teutates… Specifically received sacrifices via bogs and drowning. Is it possible that the Danish children were sacrificed to Tyr specifically?
Early medieval Scandinavian pagans could have different morals, different values associated with the same gods. The ways the people honoured the gods could be very different between close communities, nevermind say between Norway and Denmark...
Very interesting topic
I’ve been referring to myself as an animist rather than pagan because yeah….
Not Viking but Bronze Age Scandinavia has the remains of a child cremated to accompany the Egtved Girl in her tomb
You can also, though never prove, that a bad priest or priestess could be at fault. Research Jim Jones for an American example but some evidence points out that in Aztec society daily sacrifice may have not always been the case. Perhaps a bad priest could demand sacrifices where none was required before.
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Most "sacrifices" were of criminals and dishonored persons. Are our modern executions sacrifices to Yahweh? A future historian would sure think so.
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Interesting. The claim of “pagan" human sacrifices does indeed come from a Christian written source and so it is through that claim that archaeological and anthropological finds are filtered. Finding bodies in a well does not prove they were killed intentionally/sacrificed. It could very well be that because the sites had important spiritual value to the people they put deceased loved ones in a well. Christians buried people on church lands.
The bone evidences are clear they were sacrificed. There's a long range of studies on human osteological remains and markings of death, how they died, how they lived, how they were killed and patterns of intentional death for specific purposes. I'm afraid these children were very much sacrificed.
@@ArithHärger Thank you. 🙂
@@ArithHärger If you have the time and the studies saved somewhere convenient to retrieve them please share them with me. 🙂
Could these children have been the children of slaves?
What is your aim arith harger??? Yes, there was black magic and white magic.
Good, very good thal always....mmm the secret monit jesuit ....manipulaton of histories...for what...the same intenti😊ons, sell a cristian moral like a better value... Thanks for yout video and your impecable work....
Still nothing compareed to the global "cabal". In fact, a lot of this came exactly from there, including a lot of the norse "spells". Later wedged into European societies insidiously, perfidiously.
Like what?
"Global cabal" bro wtf?
Lol, the movie is trash, you don’t have to be nice about it 😂😂😂
What higher value for a sacrifice than a child? Perhaps harsh, but you can appreciate the simplicity of pagan sensibilities.
Oi- are you TRYING to get 86ed from from youtube?? maintaintain the faith, brother
w00t? ._.
OMG, just like Egypt in the worship of Knum.
There is no way to sugar coat it, these people were no bs and if a small person is shown it is a child more likely than not not some artist interpretation
Hello. Nice to see you again (I have to recover the other videos, my fault)
I remember the "Vikings" TV early seasons where was shown the sacrifice of children before starting attacking a city or a Village or a Monastir... But Celts seemed doing the same with slaves before building their open villages.🤔
But I always ready that for pagans human Life was so importante that was the best choice for some cults... So, in a certain sense, nothing really new.
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I don't remember seeing any children being sacrificed in Vikings but the asshole earl killed the boy to protect his treasure.
Ngl it's a good strategy to limit population overgrowth 😂
Yesterday I was actually reading about the amazonian myth involving the appearance of Açaí, and it's precisely about that strategy to limit population growth due to low food resources. It's brutal and sad, but it has been a reality in many societies, especially among societies in periods of low food resources due to climate changes or environments where harsh climates don't allow the growth of food.
Fair click bait if Disney was gonna allow such writing. Which is at least honest to history
Ill sacrifice myself thank you.
Are witch burnings and crusades not massive human sacrifice rituals?
I would suggest reading some of my replies to other comments, but I think UA-cam is goofing around and the comments keep disappearing, but I save everything I write, so this is what I replied to similar comments such as yours: " It is true that Christianity has commited several crimes and atrocities, especially through Protestantism, but it can hardly fall into the category of "human sacrifice" within religion, as the motivations may be seemingly religious (they have made it sound religious as a form of justification to foment fear and hatred), but the aim was extermination, genocide, far more for political reasons or mass hysteria, (1) either to consolidate Christendom, (2) or to overthrow other powers that were a direct threat to the political and economic power of Christian Europe, (3) or to fight a common enemy ("The Devil"). Human Sacrifice properly saying within Religion, truly had religious reasons, mostly: (1) to obtain some type of supernatural advantage; (2) apotropaic motivation; (3) votive offering to the gods; (4) sacrifice of enslaved people to accompany their masters in the afterlife. There are several types of Human Sacrifice, and we still have them nowadays, in the same form Medieval and Modern and Colonial Christianity had, but these days hardly for true religious beliefs/perceptions like pre-Christian civilizations had. " Thank you, have a great day!
@@ArithHärger Thanks for the reply and clarification, but I really think this is a case of semantics. A town with less "sinners communing with demons" is a supernatural benefit, and just because their relationship with their God is based on fear of retribution (mass hysteria) rather than reciprocity, doesn't mean that they aren't ending human lives in order to manipulate the spiritual currents around them. Yahweh specifically has a history of demanding human sacrifice (Numbers 31) as a part of conquest, and the officials who ordered crusades most certainly knew their Bible. I don't think it's a stretch to equate the actions at all, I think it only seems different because Yahweh has a different relationship with his devotees, but the killings certainly made his cult stronger. I have a model of religious activity (and culture) based significantly on occult philosophy, and imo it doesn't matter what emotions you are using to get people to charge your idols with death, that is still what you are doing, and it works to "instill the fear of God", diminish idolatry, etc. The social controls and genocides are supernatural goals when your theology is one where people are constantly under assault from demons tempting them to sin, and when other political structures are in competition with the Kingdom Of God, destroying those political structures is religious practice, and the deaths advance the supernatural aims of their cult. Creating and sustaining hierarchical political structures is the stated and intended purpose of most major Yahweh cults, and followers accomplishing this spiritual aim through violence is an act of sacrifice. In his mythology, Yahweh inspired one group of Canaanite peoples to murder many others and establish a kingdom which was a divine representation of his will on earth, and the fact that many of his followers have attempted to repeat this act shouldn't be separated. When a religion is intentionally political, it's political acts are religious. The self appointed "Army of God" marches along the southern border of Texas as we speak looking for people to kill.
Executions aren't really sacrifices.
@@Volundur9567 are executions intended to restore a divine order, instill "the fear of God" in the onlookers, and banish spiritual entities you deem demonic actually all that different from a human sacrifice ritual? It is manipulating supernatural forces with ritualized human death. That is a human sacrifice in my definition, and it really just seems like we're letting it be sanitized by its association with political institutions and goals even though abrahamic religions are literally based on instituting divine order through political institutions, that was, according to the texts, the original thing that yahweh did and the reason he was venerated, and in the process of establishing this kingdom, he literally calls for humans as a sacrifice in Numbers.
If certain Aztec gods needed to be placated with human sacrifice to avert disaster, how is burning witches to avoid the wrath of God any different? Cause someone swung a gavel? Where did those courts draw their authority from?
1:00 hahahahaha! That’s what some say about that Arthouse Joker film from a while ago. That it’s somehow brilliant but it’s just complex and rah rah rah. Yeah I’m not buying it.
A wise person once told me than pagan was anyone who was not a Christian. I found that very helpful because then we are drawn to the many varied cultural ideologies and differences in justice, marriage , sacrifice ECT it seems Roman paganism was far more hedonistic compared to the connection to the earth with other cultures vet interesting
I took the reference in the Thor movie as a joke and an interesting Christianism in its own way. Given the wholesomeness of Thor in the Marvel movies, there is some humor in juxtaposing that vague Christian impression of pagan child sacrifice against his characterization.
And I think there is an impression among Christians that (1) pagans sacrifice people to their gods (and especially children because of condemnations of sacrificing children to Moloch in the Bible-a practice that we independently know to have been historically real) and (2) that we generally sacrifice "food" to the gods (the Christian God included) for those gods to enjoy. When you combine those two biblical impressions, you get the notion that perhaps pagan gods were eating child sacrifices. I don't think Christians "believe" that with respect to all pagan mythology/gods per se (but...Moloch was depicted as a child-eating fallen angel in Milton's Paradise Lost). Still, it does seem like a plausible potential implication of what you learn when you are raised Christian.
I would also add that "child" sacrifice, even with Moloch, didn't necessarily mean "underage" child sacrifice, though surely it sometimes was that. There is some evidence that a Canaanite (including a Phoenician) who was so inclined might sacrifice an adult child to Moloch.
I hate new age idea of paganism, paganism is umbrella term for native faiths of old world, but wiccan and other cringe urbanoids will piss in a jar of flowers and call it pagan.
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How can we burn wood if it is our God
You always manage to answer questions I have thought of!!! I laughed when you mentioned feeling bad about a click bait title!!! Thanks for the honesty ❤
Great video, Arith!
It makes me wonder if human sacrifice was practiced by all human societies in prehistoric times, and then it gradually stopped overtime because mentalities and sensibilities change.
Or maybe (I might sound idealistic and silly hypothesizing that) in the beginning of human existence -- in some kind of Golden Age/Satya Yuga -- no human sacrifice was ever practiced because human beings used to live really close to the gods, and to the gods human sacrifice is abhorrent. And then human sacrifice was later added in religious practices, because humans regressed spiritually and the true faith became more and more corrupted.
Thanks to the Christianity
Is it possible that archeologists on the future. Without context for a christianity is, would conclude it's a religonnof human sacrifice. Look at all these bodies they found by idols of crosses and Jesus, must be human sacrifice.
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Arith!
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Some slack cut to You.
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Thor's goats in said movie were hilarious
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Oh brother
I shake my head
way you shake your head!?
BRO, SHAVING THE HEAD IN THE DEAD OF WINTER? Hopefully wherever you live isn't too cold lol.
I feel nothing ._.
@@ArithHärger oooh, tough guy eh lol. Looks nice on ya though bro. Great video.
When I was a kid, I was obsessed with the whole "viking" mythos. I read the Havamel, in English and Old Norse (I was lost like 40% of it lol) and I would like to make note that the original Havamel straight up encourages a Child Sacrifice "under only the most dire of circumstances". I think, personally, that most of the listed sacrifices were purely for show. Kind of like how the Catholics will "consume the body and blood of Christ".
Not actually eating people, but the symbolism and all that.
Maybe I should pick back up on my lessons in Old Norse. I love their runic writing system. It is very much like Chinese, where a Rune / Character can be a letter, a whole word, or even a concept.
Today we sacrifice our children on many different altars . The gods of these times are ruthless and hungry . Their names are legion . Money , power , efficiency, soullessness...
Thanks for the knowledge but I’m so happy to still have you❤