accusing random female idols of copying blackpink is just a symptom of being an sm or yg stan,, like back in the day you couldn’t have orange hair or wear school uniforms without bigbang and exo stans going absolutely ballistic.
@@sanaluv4487 tbf Armys have accused Exo of copying bts’ music videos before. In the obsession music video Suho was hovering in the air quite similar to how Jin did in the blood sweat and tears (I think) video and armys absolutely went off. So we’re just as bad as each other lol
@@_dont_mind_me I honestly did not hear about this issue tho....there are some fans in every fandom who like to accuse others of copying,,,,,, but sm and yg stans especially blinks like to throw this tantrum to other idols more than other stans
i'm proud that stayc seems to grow though, their newest mini album "stereotype" sold over 100.000 copies the 1st week making them the first and only girl group (at that time) that debuted in 2020 to achieve that. they're now ranked 8th among kpop girl groups for 1st week album sales following blackpink, iz*one, twice, red velvet, itzy, mamamoo & (g)i-dle :) + they got 3 wins with this comeback
I think a lot of the "Bighit doesn't promote BTS" criticism stems from BTS not doing music shows anymore, when they've said that doing music shows without an audience isn't really fun, and Yoongi even said that music shows are exploitative off the idols and the idols don't benefit from them. I also don't really care about PTD being blocked by Butter on the charts, because I'm like 90% sure the only reason the song was ever even included on the Butter album was to entice people into buying it. Realistically, selling a $20 album for one song that already exists isn't appealing to a lot of people. Promotions for Butter, Dynamite, and BE were honestly fine, PTD is the only one that was really sketchy. BTS's target demographic is their fans, so if the promotions are targeted towards fans (i.e. the BE postcard promo, Butter twitter teaser clips, etc), who cares lol.
also the Gfriend opinion is kinda serendipitous seeing as it just came out that only 3 of the Gfriend members are going to continue as a unit together. The other former members aren't even doing music anymore. So while I'm sure Source Music's treatment of the members played a part in the members leaving, the member's drive to either continue music or pursue other fields likely played just as big of a role.
Btw as long as the girls are still friends and interacting on ig, no prob at all. Besides, they have to be practical, they can't be together all the time. Only VVZ made the decision to stay with each other but there's no problem with sowon, yuju, and yerin doing their own thing.
i agree, but the be album promotions were a little sketchy/weird too. most armys who werent on twt didnt even know what be was till twt armys told them. other than that i agree
@@urlimelight But Bighit put a ton of stuff about BE on Instagram, and thousands of Instagram armys repost info from Twitter to Instagram anyways, so if people didn't know about BE before it was released, it is because they don't spend time looking at BTS's content. Bighit and BTS can't control people not looking at their content. And after it was released, they did quite a few interviews and performed Life Goes On on award shows. That's your promo right there. So I'm sorry but I do not buy into the idea that people didn't know about it, because those people probably don't interact with BTS' content much at all.
honestly i just think gfriend didnt like their new contract and decided to disband. think about it, the girls were soo overworked: they fainted a lot during their first year and yuju revealed she begged her dentist to pull her teeth out just to get a break. If i was in there place and the new contract would overwork me as my old one, i would have left asap
I don't know about BTS being underpromoted honestly. I used to think Bighit ia not letting them go on Music shows only for Yoongi to reveal that he dislike music shows and he is happy that the company doesn't force them. Same with BE. I thought BE promotion was not upto the mark like mots7 but then came to know that when it comes to BE almost everything was decided by BTS themselves! So I'm sitting here confused!
BE wasn't really marketed as a "commercial release" like BTS's other comebacks. There's a reason why so many Army's act like BE or LGO doesn't exist. Bighit didn't promote it, so Army's also doesn't give priority to it for streaming. Bighit needs to hire a new marketing team.
@@josyaidoo676 If you look at Dynamite and Butter, those songs were heavily promoted from almost a month before its release. Even non-fans knew about those comebacks. But the BE album, LGO and PTD were barely promoted before their release. The effort from Bighit was so minimum. Sooo many Army's who didn't use twitter or other social media, they were clueless and didn't know. Bighit didn't give priority to those comebacks. Just look how low the views of those songs are in UA-cam compared to BTS's other comebacks. I've noticed that after 2018, Bighit kinda stopped putting effort in promoting BTS's comebacks bcz they were already doing so well and Army's were doing the promotion for BTS that was the job of Bighit's marketing team. The MOTS 7 era was a huge mess. So many Army's didn't understand the comeback schedule, they didn't know which MV's to stream or which was the lead single. Just look how amazing songs like ON and Black Swan has much lower views than the other new releases. Bighit needs to wake up and stop relying on Army's for BTS's promotion. They need to give EVERY Bts comeback the same priority the way they did for Dynamite and Butter.
@@mahihossain5077 I feel like both BE & PTD were not meant for promotion.. BE was a personal album which only had Delux version in the beginning and PTD was a song released on armys bday and a bside track to butter... Apart from these I haven't found any other songs or Comebacks from BTS that were underpromoted! Even for MOTS7 there was a huge plan drawn out... Connect BTS was such a step and it was supposed to be huge..but Covid came and ruined everything... Armys only had confusion with which MV to stream... This was the time when UA-cam was going crazy deleting views left and right.. I don't think that's anyone's fault because that happening ti MOTS7 is what made Dynamite so big!
@@mahihossain5077 but the difference is that Dynamite and butter were English songs. And alone was doing the promoting for them. All of a sudden almost every media outlet was interested in bts because they were realising a new English song. PTD was a gift not necessarily a commercial track
BTS have said that the release of lgo at that point in time was their choice and so were the promotions. that song's purpose wasn't to compete or outdo dynamite it was just a feel good song and album for them to let out their creativity and try out new things. also no amount pushing back it's release and promoting would have it compete against dynamite. same goes for PTD it's just a feel good song to uplift people. not every song has to outdo the last
Exactly my opinion!Dynamite Butter was hugely promoted!LGO was all so personal and ofc BTS did so much in this album definitely they planned not make BE a commercial album that much!PTD was promoted too but some armys said it's bland and sabotaged it!And BTS leaving BigHit is literally almost impossible atleast as of now!I don't understand why people don't get it that Boys themselves says they are happy and are are like a family!Even in TFMA 2021 Jin thanked BigHit for doing better for them
gfriend were exhausted, overworked, and under-recognized. some of y'all are not ready to accept that it's most likely that they just had enough of the industry and source. gfriend are OVER. OVER. there's nothing wrong or conspiratioral about it. get over yall selves amd just enjoy the music they were kind enough to give us for all those years if you love them so damn much.
Yeah could be that at least half the members of gfriend despite having good relations with the members may want to pursue things that isn’t idol music like acting which 2 members of Gfriend are planning to do. Idol music is usually geared towards teens so many they just wanted to be taken more seriously in the entertainment industry overall because idols in the entertainment overall isn’t looked at too highly if anything they are thought of quite lowly at times 💀
There was a paper that came out a couple years ago, with a written essay. I don’t remember where but, they basically said that the reason HYBE doesn’t promote BTS so much, and instead let the fans do it, is because it promotes fan engagement. That’s the reason BTS is so popular, is because the fans which are in the millions (90+) create posters, advertisements, and they promote BTS every comeback. By making promotional content it engages the fans to want to be more involved with the group. Because of this the fans are constantly entertained, and updated on what’s going on with the group. I’m actually surprised other companies don’t do this more, but I think other companies do try to do the same type of promotion through fans but, other groups under different companies don’t have the same fan support as ARMY. That’s why even if a group is pushed to the west their impact doesn’t stick as hard as BTS. If you look at Twitter as an example, almost every day something is trending because of BTS. Having this type of fan engagement and support is the reason why BTS is still popular, because the fans are willing, and ready to promote. The fans promote, they vote, they stream, and in return, BTS releases almost constant content for ARMY. It’s almost like we are a large family working together to achieve the same goal.
A "paper" from "researchers" who like to invade fandom spaces, treat us like animals they can examine and write "papers" on and teach about like we're a subject. Ok, yeah. Sure, Jan. 🙄That's the point of ANY FANDOM tbh, to promote and support your favorite artists. Would you be saying this to Taylor Swift fans, Ariana fans, rock band fans, etc? They all promote and have goals for their artists just as much as ARMYs do for BTS. What are we supposed to do when they have content or a comeback? Just sit here and twiddle our thumbs? Not tweet about it? Not stream???
@@pagesinked I think that BTS don't need promotions anymore. They are not a rookie group that needs this type of hype. Its like in the west, many famous artists drop surprise albums all the time and they do great because they are such big names with huge support that their promoters/labels don't need to do much work. I think BTS is among them. BTS is so famous and global with a huge fandom that everything they release promotion or no promotion, surprise or very much anticipated, it will do great. So I feel that Hybe is being intelligent and knowing where to put their attention to. for example TXTs comebacks.
@@pagesinkedwhere the fuk are you coming from?:/ Like they are not telling ARMYs to 'not tweet' or 'not stream' or whatever else you wrote. You didn't read nor understood the comment properly and went off. Op made a theory about hybe's marketing stratergy, about what could be the reason for Hybe to not be promoting BTS as well as before, and about why BTS are still going so strong in the industry.
@@pagesinked well not only did you misinterpret it, you also said false things. Like no bruh, no kpop fandom will ever be the same as a western artist's fandom. Taylor's or Ariana's fandoms never organize streaming events or stream for three days non stop without sleep. I'm sorry, but that kinda obsessive behavior only happens in kpop and that too with the big third gen groups. So no, you do you, keep supporting BTS, but the kind of fandom y'all have created is never going to be the same as any western artist's.
Every time I see buddys argue that Gfriend's disbandment was caused by HYBE, their reasons are always based on speculation and crackpot fan theories. Truth is, Gfriend could've disbanded for any number of reasons: finances, conflict within the group, musical direction, management, etc. Buddys don't know anything for sure and they should stop pointinf fingers at HYBE just because they want someone to blame (and maybe they also hold a grudge against HYBE or its groups)
@@jade4293 Yeah I know. Just that a handful of buddys are using Gfriend's disbandment to hate on other HYBE groups and find the most illogical reasons to blame them. Some are chalking up their disbandment to pure misogyny on HYBE's part and then dunking on HYBE's boy groups. But I know this is a very loud minority of girl group stan twitter
Buddys are just brain dead and don’t want to accept the fact that maybe gfriend just didn’t renew contracts and want to be a group anymore. Considering 3 of the members are now going to debut together as a trio, clearly the others just didn’t want to be apart of a group anymore.
Lmao. Just accept that Hybe is a dumbass corporation who just like money. Buddy's didn't even hold a grudge towards any group under that corporation. Just the fact that they messed up everything. Do you even know that they exposed the important information like bank accounts of some buddy's on weverse and they trying to cover it by giving these people additional money but buddy's refuse it. Did you think you know everything about what happened to gfriend?
@@skinnybrutal1774 truee. Like they will never understand our situation because who tf disbands a group ahead of contract end without explanation. It all doesn't make sense.
another thing about GG having mostly gp support is that it's so inconsistent. they can cash on it when it's there with sponsorships and such but it can disappear overnight if they get bored of you or if they find a replacement for you. so many 2nd gen GG were loved by the gp but you don't even hear of them or their members anymore.
The opinions were interesting, and I agree with most of them. I'm glad you posted, I was scrolling for something to watch. Also, your voice is really soothing.
also finally a kpop youtuber that uses their real voice!!! so many youtubers use the speech to text robot voice and it strikes me as lazy and devoid of personality. i immediately click out when a video starts with it. im so glad redvelvetsus not only knows her shit, but doesn't hide behind a robotic voice and actually puts effort into her videos.
As a black engene (sp?) I remember seeing everything on my tl and part of me died. I found everything comical bc why are there multiple theories for a situation? Like, how could people demand an apology when there were multiple scenarios of what happened. I saw literal PowerPoints of theories, like huh?
I remember when I first saw it it wasn’t even a big deal. Like people were talking about it and some said they’d give them sometime to address the situation but it got SO BAD once those people on weverse started being racist. But the apology demanding was odd at first because people were arguing about whether it was heeseung, sunoo, Jake and sunghoon. It was a MESS
Oh my gosh thank you for bringing up the Buddies! Tiny rant on it so sorry but I really can't deal with Buddies anymore. I was sad for Buddies when Gfriend disbanded but when Buddies started attacking BTS, TXT and future Hybe and Bighit artists I just decided that I didn't care about the disbandment anymore. I'm not even sure what's going on with the Sakura situation with Hybe and I'm not a Izone stan but I thought it was gonna be pretty cool to see what she did in Hybe but Buddies have been on Twitter completely attacking her saying things like “she's probably the reason they disbanded Gfriend because they are a threat to her”. It just sounds so delusional. And I can't even get started on the Buddies on Twitter saying that Hybe and Bighit had them disbanded because Bighit thought they were becoming a threat to BTS.........like some can't be serious that is two completely different levels 😐
@@swallowedinthesea298 omg yes glad you mentioned that because that's a whole rant in itself. I mean some Buddies on Twitter saying they can't wait to bully the new girl groups and do things like Bodyshame the new girl group. It's honestly sad.
As a buddy myself, I would like to (if I'm even allowed to) apologise on behalf of all buddies (the rational and mature ones, at least, immature buddies can go fuck themselves). Being active in the buddy community, it's really saddening to see that some buddies, who used to take pride in buddies being a "peaceful" fandom, (like literally would not stop bragging about how we stay calm amidst fanwars), and then themselves tweeting about how they are gonna boycott/slander the new girl group. I think most of their anger is fueled by the sudden announcement and source music not offering an official statement, which in no way could justify any of the hate towards anything soumu/hybe related. Even though I would consider myself a huge fan of GFriend, I could not say that I have a strong emotional connection to the group like some buddies do, so I could never claim to understand how frustrated some fans were when they heard about the disbandment. However, I don't think it's right to point fingers and come up with bizarre theories, and jump on the "blame hybe/soumu" bandwagon. Like there's literally so many factors that go into managing and planning for the future of a kpop group, just because the girls have said multiple times that they want to be together as a group forever, doesn't mean they would never disband. As if the girls have 100% of the rights and authority over the status of the group.
Ive been a buddy ever since late 2015. I'm quite surprised with this news as through the years we've been known to be one of the most peaceful and understanding fanbase in kpop. Really im shocked to hear this. I dont know about this mainly because I dont have twitter, reddit and those other social media platforms. Seriously i'm shocked that buddies, ACTUAL buddies are doing this. I'm still heartbroken by gfriend's disbandment. Really it hurts to see one of your favourite groups be no more. I don't think it's right to express frustration, anger and disappointment in such a way though. It's hurting others too. I hope buddies heal soon, take accountability for their wrong doings and find a contentment and peace of mind after their remorse.
No one's attacking the groups under that corporation basically you add that to fuel your opinion. What's the connection of saying "f*ck hybe" in hating tje groups. Are you lost? Buddies hating the company and the artists.
jessica jung said in her book that sm manipulates u into signing a 10 year contract when u debut (they like work around the laws). Although the book is fictional but most SM groups always go past 7 years so I'm pretty sure it's true!
my personal annoyance is that whenever a group or idol does something that stans think is wrong so they react a certain way to try and address the issue in some way or another and it isn't always effective, productive, constructive, etc. so when you try and say "hey, maybe this isn't the way to address this" or "not all stans feel this way" or "this isn't a mature reaction" it AUTOMATICALLY means you're defending whoever fucked up and you're okay with it. like NO. maybe i don't think so and so's actions were okay, but i know better than to rant about it on twitter and talk over the people actually affected like I'm hot shit. I know better than to "BOYCOTT!!11!" when companies fuck up because ultimately it hurts the idols more. people tend to react in the most immature ways and try to deal with problems so illogically, and if you try to call them out on it then you're "PART OF THE PROBLEM" and need to be cancelled ASAP. ffs grow up twt
I’d like to agree with this comment but it’s so vague I have no idea if ur referring to when an idol wears braids and says the n word or when an idol doesn’t address a bullying rumor
I can't stand buddys and their dumb theories. Literally source music treated them terribly over the years. Video after video of memebers collapsing on stage but that's not reason they left source it's gotta be some hybe conspiracy
as someone who ults izone, I also fell victim to the “overestimating izone members” thing. I never stanned ioi so I was just like 🤔 when I realized that pretty much NONE of the members have done anything related to the kpop industry if we exclude eunbi and now yuri
People use the word “queer baiting” so loosely. Cardi B talked about it. People are literally bullying celebrities to come out of the closet. It’s so messed up.
A lot of insiders said that few girls wanted to act or something so they disbanded... And buddys claim it's Hybe... Buddys literally didn't support Gfriend and now they crying and putting the blame on others
Queendom was literally red velvet coming back stronger after 2 years and pretty much reminding everyone that they aren't going anywhere. We know sm enough to know that if the girls were disbanding we wouldn't be getting a goodbye comeback, they would be put in the dungeon with no explanation just like every other girl group they've managed...
2:51 I disagree BTS definitely has power and say in their promotions if u read their weverse interviews also that’s a good marketing strategy which lot of western celebs and labels do as well also I get why u would say that about PTD but BTS wanted that song to be a gift a#2 As a gg stan who only stan 4bgs I completely agree
The reason why buddies are so upset over gfriend disbandment was because it’s very unexpected, at that moment gfriend still has ongoing projects and schedules, and before that the members have teased a bit that they’re going to have a next comeback, that’s why buddies resorted to absurd and often far fetched theories and quickly blame hybe for it due to their stake in source music. To be honest i’m very upset as well but there’s nothing i can do about it
I just thought i d add one of my opinion here so✨✨ i feel like a lot of 'kpop stans' will leave the kpop community when BTS/BLACKPINK disbands. Its kinda like the thing that they ll never be able to love and support a group as much as BTS/BLACKPINK and they r leaving the kpop community as a symbol of 'loyalty' towards them...ofc not every1 might do this but i feel like a handful definitely will and its just...kinda stupid
@@melliexcx i honestly had forgotten that i had commented something like this and you right, its not stupid or wrong in any way. at the time i commented this, as a multi-stan myself i couldn't understand why they d leave. ofc anyone would be sad if their favs disband but there are so many talented groups and soloists out there who you could give a chance to. That's what i thought and so i didn't understand why they d just leave the community all together. But i do understand now and i respect anyone's decision to leave. Sorry about that.
With the Copying Jennie accusations, this shows that these blinks may feel threatened or insecure. If they find that the slightest similarity is a threat to Jennie or if the only compliments they can give Jennie are that everyone is jealous of her, they may have an issue. If you cannot genuinely point out something good about Jennie without putting down other idols, sit down and think because that’s sad :(
Hi ! In my opinion, big hit didn't promote permission to dance that much because they (the boys and big hit) didn't necessarily wanted it to chart. I'm a really active ARMY on twitter and even I didn't understand what permission to dance was supposed to be until few days before it's release, and many ARMYs on twitter were confused as well. I think big hit know what they're doing and they're are not bothered because this is what the boys want. Indeed, RM said in a interview that he didn't care about being mainstream as long as ARMYs listen to their songs. So that's probably why they rely on ARMYs for promotion. On the other hand, I do think that big hit should use their Instagram to promote the boys even more, even if they started to use it a little more than before, I'm sure they can improve on promoting on Instagram.
1. Eh disagree. PTD was a gift for army thats why it dropped at that time, it was literally ARMYs' bday 2. Definitely agree 3. Agree 4. !!!!!!! EXACTLY 5. 💀 yeah 6. Baby everyones are the worst part of fandoms *looks straight to baby armys* 7. Agree 9. Eh no opinion 11. Agree. Tbh Daniel is the biggest example... he was the top idol in sk during his time in wanna one and now... well 12. SPEAK ON IT
Daniel and Park Jihoon of Wannaone are doing really well on Sk though, I really don't know what you're talking about. And Somi did very well on the charts and Sejeong and Sohye are doing well in their acting careers. Sejeong recently acted in a drama as one of the lead actors which went on to be the highest rated drama in the TV network's history and Sohye even got awards for the movie she was in. Just because you don't know who's doing what doesn't automatically make them less popular/flop lol.
4:19 EXACTLY. especially on twitter, and there's so many men who do this too bc they think having a female idol as their pfp makes them exempt from being misogynistic
I agree with Big hit not promoting BTS properly. TBH it looks like the moment the group becomes big the company stops putting efforts for promotions as they expect the fandoms to do so like WTH. Just look at EXO their last comeback Don't fight the feeling did not even get a vlive and their member DO also debuted as a soloist he also did not get a single promotion .
Regarding the first point, I do agree Bighit, at times, doesn't know how to create hype around a CB. Like, I'm still mad for the confusion about ON MVs & release. Armys work better when we have clarity about things. But I disagree with LGO & PTD timing. LGO (& BE) wasn't intended to be a major CB. And PTD seems more like a conclusion to the trilogy that is BTS' full English tracks & they went with a healing concept for that. The timing did make charting or numbers difficult, but I think charting/numbers weren't the main focus with both releases & at times, we as a fandom forgets to look beyond that.
I have to admit I was convinced that next level had grown on me, but then I realized that the only reason I thought that was because sticker had just come out, and was so bad that it made literally any other song tolerable in comparison. Iliterally caught myself thinking “this isn’t that bad” when I heard the new stray kids song 💀 If that doesn’t tell you what you need to know, then idk what to say Speaking of aespa, at this point I know I’m not stanning them cause their music just isn’t for me, they peaked at black mamba imo Baby members of any fandom are the worst cause they don’t know shit yet and try to be experts also LUNA SUPREMACY!! Free somebody slaps and y’all still don’t know it exists. F(x) is underrrated among kpop fans, their discography is the second best under SM after red velvet imo About the izone opinion, temporary groups just don’t make much sense in general. Kinda annoyed that gp999 is a thing, it’s basically produce all over again. My hot take is that gp999 NEEDS to be rigged because apparently fans can’t vote properly. Y’all just don’t understand that the winning contestants will be a group and are just voting based on “aura” etc. Remember, this is a kpop group, their main job is to sing. The final group is gonna only have main and lead dancers, sub-vocals, and visuals if mnet doesn’t rig it. Now that I think about it that was almost what happened with izone; I don’t think it’s an accident that yuri’s rank rose so much in the last episode, she was one of the few actually decent vocalists on the show and mnet recognized that they needed a main vocalist in the group. It was a smart move in their part tbh
Buddies claiming that Gfriend were disbanded by hybe for any other reason than internal conflict within source is just moronic, if gfriend were as successful and as big of a threat as people like to claim they would have NEVER been disbanded. Why in the hell would a label disband a group that brings them money for a group that doesn't exist yet? It literally doesn't make any sense
Some brands are powerful enough to promote themselves. e.g BTS, Blackpink etc. It is called word-of-mouth promotion. Take Tesla for example, Tesla relies heavily on word-of-mouth advertising. This means Tesla markets to its customers by not directly marketing to them. So, what I'm trying to say is that I dont think a company like HYBE, who's main objective is to make profits, would suddenly became lazy and not promote BTS. They are the worlds biggest band. A band with a large and loyal audience like that makes marketing very poweful.
boy groups have "more" stans because they have more room to do mature concepts (not just sexy mature either) im someone who likes both equally but leans more towards girlgroups, i can tell you now girl groups are constantly composed of disney princesses and members that have little to no vocal color, which is exactly why all the popular girl groups have very distinct members. boy groups arent more popular bc "the fans actually financially support them more" they're just more distinct and attract young girls bc theyre hot, sorry but it is true boy groups get more fans for that reason, the target for bgs has ALWAYS been young girls.... it's not sexist or misogynistic to point that out in a boy group fan, Twice attracts more fanboys than fangirls, that should tell you all u need to know about why ggs and bgs attract the opposite gender... alot of the support is in fact made up of thirst, lets be honest if bts was ugly theyd be nowhere on ur playlist (: not to mention teen girls get crap for liking anything mildly cute and MOST girl groups are cutesy or has had a few cutesy concepts. i just think some of yall need to not throw the terms sexist and misogyny around just bc it is criticizing other females lmao especially when it is not a harmful one, it's a-okay to like a group bc u think theyre hot.
I agree with the whole part about GG stans, mostly on twitter. I've noticed some toxic gg stans would praise their bias, their group and preach about being femist and about women empowerment. but when a group or person who they don't like did something they would switch sides, calling them VERY nasty names which are known do criticm women in particular such as "wh0re, s1ut"
Actually what I hate about next level is that it sounds like 2to3 different songs put into one ... If all of them were seperate songs I would have probably loved it 😬 Like when I listened to it for the first time I was heavily dissapointed how the flow changed 🙃 But it might be me who hates such changes in a song and there might be many ppl who like it Just my opinion .. from a casual listener
It sounds like some unfinished songs compiled together because they're just too lazy to make a complete work Producer 1: Hey, I made a short catchy beat Producer 2: I made an amazing chord progression Producer 1: Let just put them together Producer 2: But, how? They sounds totally different Producer 1: Just do it
seriously people need to watch lunas immortal song 2 performances and listen to her osts. taeyeon and wendy are good, but luna is just...something else imo. such a dynamic singer, so immersed in her performances, has an unbelievable ability to express emotion through her voice. her ballads are my favorite
During the enhypen controversy everyone was saying “protect black engenes” and then I hop on weverse and people are calling black engenes monkeys and telling us to l*nch ourselves. not a fun time :(
Yeah, I left the group because of the fandom. It was really difficult being on Weverse for a while bc no one was listening to black engenes and the racism was crazy
hmm…I think it’s debatable about PTD. I feel like PTD was similar to LGO in that they wanted it to be released at a certain time (1 month after Festa). I feel like BTS is at a point where they do things for more meaningfulness I do wish that for future releases that would allow the songs to fade in popularity before putting out the next one - That’s why I don’t see an album drop this year (unless it’s a hoilday album).
Blinks need to accept that Black Pink's concept and style is nothing original or innovative neither are the members themselves and there's literally nothing wrong with that, It's been done before many times. I especially see it from new Kpop fans who think BP is the only group to ever be a 4 member group girl crush concept and it makes them come off as too insulting towards other groups and idols and ignorant of the industry.
1. Ptd was released as a gift for armys but yeah I agree bh def lacked in promoting it & I feel like its probably gonna be a forgetful song bcuz of hype abt butter 2. Nah I didn't like next level & I still do not like it 3. Pls feminism doesn't exist on stan twt both gg & bg stans attack eo & other female idols( not all ofc) while preaching abt women empowerment & feminism 🙄 4. Wow I never really thought this way but u r right bg perform so bad on charts but bcuz of their high album & ticket sales they've higher chance of last longing 5. Not a blink so can't say anything 🤷♀️ 6. Not a red velvet fan & don't know much abt them so....🤷♀️ 7. I agree.... stan twt learns one word & then never forgets it 8. I'm not black so I dont really talk abt it but yeah i've seen kpop non black fans literally competing over which idol has done more ca & I think its just sick 9. I don't stan any sm grp so I don't know 😅 10. Sorry I have no idea abt this 11. I have seen those theories lmao but I stay away frm it cuz its so ridiculous like they blame hybe all the time but forget that source music is literally there but when u try to remind them then u r a company stan so I stay away frm it 😂😂
I'm late and I probably won't get an answer, but I'll try. I agree completely that boy groups have more fandom support than gg and that's why companies can drop them so quickly, but why? Why do girl groups attract more casual fans than boy groups? Why don't they produce the numbers and the sales? Why aren't they buying? And this feeds into the toxic idea you were talking about too, it feeds into this idea that boy group fans are crazy girls who would do anything for those boys and are willing to spend more than a pretty penny on them, for absolutely anything. Though that is clearly wrong it is true that for some reason they are financially loyal and willing to give a pretty coin most often then not. I don't like thinking that I am a bad fan and would love to think that fans are those who support their idols and stay loyal to them however they can, but of course many people think it's those who spend the money on them. Whenever I see kpop fans with many albums and who spend a lot, truthfully it seems to be more of the bg fan demographic. Are girl group fans just cheap? But then again why? Boy group fans just seem to go the extra mile for their idols in this sense. As for me I'm just broke and even if I wanted to buy tickets to a concert as a Puerto Rican living in the island I'd have to spend money on flights and hotels just to see them. Any one have any ideas why girl group fans aren't as profitable? Is the culture just different? But that would of course still leave the question of why? Cause I LOVE my girl groups and have been loyal to them for years, I have a few albums like 7 or 8 and even got a lighstick that I have amounted throughout the years. However honestly while I am broke it's not like I have this huge desire to have them, most of the time I'm fine and I guess that's how gg fans are?
It actually kind of lies in the misogynistic nature of sk as a country. I'm sure there are other factors as well but a lot of people in korea are misogynistic and maybe hence don't want to financially support girl groups even if they like them/ listen to their songs. One incident of this misogyny I can remember is Irene getting hate for reading a book on feminism. Now i know international fans exist but for most groups especially groups outside of the big 3, they don't have much of an international fanbase who are willing to pay for the album + shipping is expensive too. A few gg like snsd, bp and twice have amazing sales but other than these groups and a couple others here and there, gg sales are very low. Not only that but gg have a shorter life span as well, they are definitely mistreated/ overworked/ sexualized by company and fans and maybe just want to leave. Most gg don't have creative freedom hence they leave, or they just want to move on from kpop. Also have you noticed how most creative directors, writers, producers in kpop are men? ik there are some excellent women killing it in these fields out there but the industry is dominated by men, even on the inside.
I heard somewhere that one reason why girl groups don't sell as well is bc they are marketed more towards a male audience. Not all girl groups are, but if the fanbase is mostly made up of men, they might not show up in numbers as women do. Men might not participate or be as loyal in fandom spaces.
I’d like to add that Luna and Lina are the best.. not a lot of people know about her because she’s first gen, but I’m pretty sure Lina is credited as the best or one of the best vocalists in kpop ever
Yes I agree gg don't sell bg do. If you actually look at 4 gen million seller there are actually 4 gg. Itzy,aespa,Is*one and (g)-idle out of 15 groups on the list.
As an SM artist fan, Luna is definitely the best sm female vocalist! and i`m saying that as a big fan of taeyeon and wendy... its just so sad that luna is so underrated - go listen to madonna !
1.Just because you stan a girl group doesn’t make you a feminist- if your a feminist you believe in equal rights for woman and men. Just bc you listen to a female artist doesn’t make you a feminist. 2.peopled hated on next level so much. Then people said it was really good. In my opinion i didn’t really like it but it’s not bad. 3.I hate when people say “your copying bp” “or your copying bts”, just bc their the top female and male group doesn’t mean that everyone wants to be them and copy them. Even when they have completely different themes they still say your copying- It’s so stupid. People are always like “this group wouldn’t be the same if it wasn’t for bts or bp. “That person/group worked very hard for it. They probably trained for years and then your claiming their trying to be them. Not everyone wants to be bp or bts. Their all good and different. Then that group gets hate for “copying.” 4.
My unpopular opinion: I expect lowkey, subliminal anti-black racism from the K-Pop music stans, who rant about "how K-Pop music is much better than the pop music in the western societies". In most rants that I've heard (9 times out of 10), the stans always use black entertainers as examples of how "perverted, sexualized, mediocre and drug-fueled" western, pop music is (when being compared to K-Pop music)... as if there weren't non-black artists (ex. Miley Cyrus, Justin Bieber, Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake, etc.) they could've used.
whats funny is that these non black artists are usually seen as liberating, inspiring when they are doing the same things and talking about the same subjects. talking about sex, love, money and pride. lol. One thing i've realised is that they go so hard and attack the hiphop/ rap industry as if the pop scene isn't as bad or even worse in some categories.
I agree with opinion 1 that they aren't promoted that well now but I don't think that really effects their comeback and all thanks to Armys!Also I think they did promote Butter and Dynamite really well and so as PTD too (few so called armys themselves sabotaged comeback saying it was boring)!And for BE I think it's because it was personal to them and may be it's just BTS's decision!We do see that BTS has a lot of say in all their release and activity!but definitely none of them would ever leave BigHit until something happen in future!The boys themselves has always said how happy they are to work with BigHit and that it's a family to them!Also how can they leave BigHit when they are owners of BigHit?They own 33.3% in BigHit Music which makes them owner of BigHit Music!I am talking about BH Music not Hybe okay!
I think that BTS don't need promotions anymore. They are not a rookie group that needs this type of hype. Its like in the west, many famous artists drop surprise albums all the time and they do great because they are such big names with huge support that their promoters/labels don't need to do much work. I think BTS is among them. BTS is so famous and global with a huge fandom that everything they release promotion or no promotion, surprise or very much anticipated, it will do great. So I feel that Hybe is being intelligent and knowing where to put their attention to. for example TXTs comebacks.
As a non Army, I don't understand the obsession with trying to break records every comeback, even when it's records BTS set themselves. Other groups feel loved and appreciated without having to break records left and right. I think Armys care too much about numbers, and not enough about the actual music. I'm sure those boys are just happy to be doing what they love and having people love what they do.
I think many armys are attracted to BTS like football fans are attracted to the most successful teams. It's not about the music, it's about the prestige. So they try to push BTS even further. There are also fans who feel validation if their group is more successful than others.
I think you overestimate the impact of individual armys “obsession” with records. The main reason behind BTS records is just the size of the fandom compare to other fandoms. You’re not gonna care about records if you don’t have the capacity to break them to begin with.
armys literally just care about music that's why we break the records, otherwise we would be just talking about their visuals and choreos and shit that doesn't actually matter
i can see where you are coming from with your third opinion, but i think it comes from both sides. i've seen a LOT of boy group stans who act misogynistic towards female idols and give them a harder time when it comes to controversies, etc. while instantly forgiving their male faves. i think there's misogyny on both sides for sure but i do agree that on for boy groups it's against the fans and for girl groups it's against the idols themselves.
“it’s not a grower, it’s stockholm syndrome” lmaooo. I strongly agree with this one! I honestly think there’s no such thing as a grower song, you either like it, don’t vibe with it, or hate it, and if you force yourself to listen to it 500 times to like it that just confirms that you either don’t vibe with it or just hate it lol.
anyways i think the opinion of gg vs bg sales was really interesting and good points were made. i never thought of that before but it makes a lot of sense
Wait why do I agree with all of these opinions? subscribing right now. Also apart from Black Mamba, I personally don't like any of Aespa's title tracks (and it took me months to like BM).
It is insane to me that GG stans will sooner blame "misogyny" and "the patriarchy" on GGs not lasting long than getting a part time job and buying one copy of their faves' albums.
@@nevermind8844 i didnt even say much. I just tried to put logic into why they disbanded. I said they might come back and they might not come back but they need to accept that
@@Yxxyn._ if you are not a fan then making assumptions on what happened to them then better stay quiet because buddies we're all in shocked when source music dropped that news 'cuz its really out of no where that day gfriend also have schedules like dropping contents and then suddenly they deleted that and terminated gfriend contract earlier than we expected. During nyel if you even watched they talked a lot about their future as a group GFRIEND and wanted to try new concepts. The only thing that keep our nerves are those kpoppies trying to protect those companies. I'm telling you there are a lot of things I wanted to tell you but it's too long. That's why y'all never understand us.
@@nevermind8844 I AM a buddy. Why do you assume just because I wasn’t in a series panic that im not? I know the girls love each other like sisters and that they will always be Gfriend, and that’s enough for ME. Sorry that I didn’t cry about it, I don’t have to prove my emotions to determine if I’m a fan or not. I get some fans might be more upset then others, especially if this is their ult group or something. I’m a huge Kpop fan but I’m not nearly as involved as I was 3 years ago
I just want better for aespa TBH and I don't even stan them. They can all sing really well, whoever is making them rap needs to get away from them expeditiously
Now all of them will come after me but savage is really not savage it's trash ! I never liked next level but after hearing that trash savage I started to like next level
Thank you for bringing up Izone....been telling people for months before they disbanded that it was not gonna be a great thing for many of them. People are like, "no, it's better for them to disband and pursue solo projects etc"...No....it's not..lol and never was gonna be. The strength was in the group. Rookie kpop fans seem to think there's some great and prosperous solo market out there...lol...there isn't. Great vid👍
Sinb (ex gfriend) spilled that they were fired by the company. The company was shitty and i dont really like people defending the company. BUT I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD NOT HATE BTS OR THE NEW GG. Hate the company. Idc if its soumu or hybe, i hate both. they both have a bad history with gg before and it just happens again. Im sorry if you see us buddys annoying or disturbing, but our group gets fired so suddenly...
I always thought that Wendy was the best sm vocalist but about 2 years ago I started listening to Luna vocals and I was like. HOLD UP why is everyone sleeping on Luna vocals when she is literally better than Wendy and taeyeon I was so when you actually agreed with me. LUNA IS THE FEMALE BEST VODALIST FROM SM ENTERTAINMENT
I 100% agree with the fact that bg stans are waayy better at financially supporting boy groups than gg stans are with girl groups. So many terrible takes come from them. GG stans will write think pieces on not streaming and buying their favs music then be surprised in 2 years when their favs disband. Well, what do you think is keeping the lights on and fridge full?? Then they will bring up charts. Yeah you can have both, but I’m pretty sure groups prefer 2M album sales and #67 and OUT on the charts bc that’s what keeps the fridge full instead of letting idols have sleep for dinner. I will always buy BTS albums bc I love their music and that’s how you support an artist not being edgy on social media. Maybe instead of writing terrible takes on Twitter go out an buy an album. It’s still on the shelf at target.
3. GFRIEND still has ongoing projects When the news was leaked, Yuju was in a series called "Yuju is Halli Queen," and not all of the episodes had been released yet. The series' staff had to rush and release 2 videos a week instead of one to finish the series quickly.
Nah let’s talk about how some Kpop fans try to use black trauma or racism as a way to hate on idols or groups for no reason. Even when black Kpop fans come out and say it’s not a big deal or you’re misreading the situation they ignore them and continue to bash idols for no reason. They get mad at idols for not knowing another country’s history which is stupidly ignorant enough when 80% of Kpop fans don’t even speak Korean or know any history regarding Korea either. If it isn’t bluntly racist then stop trying to justify a reason of hating on idols who just didn’t know:) ( this doesn’t go for idols who just say n word or the hard r either)
My unpopular opinion: Idol stopping smiling for a second in the performance does not mean they're depressed/anxious/tired of idol life. I saw so many people having conspiracy theories that idols are mistreated, forced to lose weight etc just because for some moment they weren't smiling. I don't think closing eyes at every bad thing that is happening in kpop industry is a good idea (it's even worse) but starting to worry about an idol for the littlest things is terrible too. Let them live and stop saying that 99% idols are depressed for dumb reasons.
I think next level has good components but I hate how they fit together so awkwardly. I only started enjoying the song after I listened to a UA-cam version that was rearranged.
the first one.. i never really thought about it but now that you pointed it out, i can see where you’re coming from. my army friends who aren’t on twt didn’t really know much about ptd and its release until i filled them in about everything related to it. that opinion was actually unpopular.
I think time changes our views...if I dislike a song....I'll wait a few weeks or a few months and re-listen to see if I like it and get through the entire song (usually I quit if I dislike it for an amount of time) and if I don't like it then I'll skip over it.
I totally agree with the Bighit not giving enough effort for BTS promotion opinion. After 2018, I feel like Bighit really started relying on Army's too much. For the last three years, It always feels like Bighit barely tries to promote BTS, especially right before their comeback. A big entertainment agency like bighit/HYBE should do the promotions in a professional way. I think Bighit kinda knows now that Army's are gonna explode the comeback news on the Internet anyways. So they barely make any effort to promote BTS before their comeback. Nowadays I see sooo many casual fans and Army's who don't use twitter or other social media apps, these people don't even know when BTS releases a new song or even a collab. I've seen so many Army's on the comment sections being totally clueless on the day a new song is released. I also feel like nowadays, Bighit doesn't really give a proper direction to fans when they release a BTS comeback schedule. I remember during ON era, everyone was so confused and majority of the people didn't even know which songs to stream or which song was the lead single. Just look how great the comeback for Dynamite and Butter was. Those songs were heavily promoted and even non fans knew about the comeback. About LGO and PTD, Bighit really didn't promote those songs that much bcz those songs were more like "gifts" to Army's during the pandemic situation and not marketed as a "commercial release". Just look how low the views are for those songs on UA-cam compared to BTS's other releases. If Bighit doesn't show much importance to those comebacks, Army's also wouldn't go out of their way to stream those songs. Bighit really needs to understand that Army's can't do everything. They really need to hire a new marketing manager.
hey. i'm a reveluv who joined during psycho era, but i've never assumed that red velvet was ever gonna stop performing or anything. when i first joined the fandom, i tried to familiarise myself with everything about red velvet;names, representative colours, bsides, title tracks from happiness onwards, and just simply put, learning more about red velvet. i have always supported them ever since i entered the fandom. i genuinely love all their music and i try to support them by buying albums whenever they release one. i've also beentaking the effort to make friends with reveluvs at physical fancafes and meeting more reveluv mutuals on twitter etc. conclusion is, not all baby reveluvs are like what you said. maybe the minority you see, but not every baby reveluv out there. i want red velvet to last for as long as they want or can. don't be misunderstood by this minority of baby reveluvs. most of us aren't like this. thanks for reading.
one thing i will say is no matter how many direct quotes and interviews and whatever else is used that says red velvet want to carry on, its not like sm has a history of listening... like they may not 'disband' but them slowly fading into inactivity is something sm pull and have pulled with their girlgroups before so its not like any form of red velvet doing this is off the table? in general most fans saying this know what sm are like, theyre not saying red velvet hate being idols or that they want to do other activites, theyre saying sm treat girl groups like absolute garbage and just because red velvet say they want to cary on does not suddenly take sm's power off to fizzle them out, off the table.
i’ve always been a next level truther ☺️ i thought it was so interesting and what i expected from their debut. i found black mamba to be pretty boring on release so next level was a breath of fresh air and what made me seriously want to stan aespa
and people need to stop taking the "contract ending/seven year curse" too seriously. the 7 year curse is because the contracts were and maybe still are held up for 7 years but contracts can be renewed, it's up to the idols if they want to continue once it's up.
GFRIEND posts their schedule for every week on their fancafe, and the schedule indicated that we would get additional content- mainly UA-cam clips- after May 22nd After the news was leaked, SourceMusic quickly deleted the schedule, and fans never got the filmed content.
I don’t have Twitter and I didn’t even know about permission to dance untill the day before when a friend told me about it. And it honeslty shcoked me on how little it was permitted.
for me, with next level i listened to it a couple times when it first came out, i wasnt really sure about it, then i let it sit for like a month and listened to it again, and i didnt take it off repeat for like the whole day lmao
heavily agree with the girl group one, I’m a gg Stan and I don’t Stan any boy groups (expect BTS) but it’s because I like girl group music more and I hate how people stan girl groups becuase they’re girls, it’s so annoying
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The people who accused every female idols were copying Jennie
were the same people who denied Blackpink as 2NE1'S successor.
So true 😂
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Do you mean 2ne1 is blackpinks successor?
@@mysticshadows6855 2ne1 is older though
@@kenji9730 like what does it mean tho, cus I'm dumb-
“it’s not a grower, it’s stockholm syndrome” HELP????€>>£>£ WHY IS THAT SO FUNNY IM CRYING
accusing random female idols of copying blackpink is just a symptom of being an sm or yg stan,, like back in the day you couldn’t have orange hair or wear school uniforms without bigbang and exo stans going absolutely ballistic.
majority of sm and yg stans are like that..they have that superiority ego and atltitude lol
Ikr ...remember in a variety show the host accused BTS for copying EXO because both the groups wore high school uniforms in their MVs.
@@namu4380 tai vanya...still people have guts to call us toxic....at least we never accused other idols of copying BTS with baseless reasons lol
@@sanaluv4487 tbf Armys have accused Exo of copying bts’ music videos before. In the obsession music video Suho was hovering in the air quite similar to how Jin did in the blood sweat and tears (I think) video and armys absolutely went off. So we’re just as bad as each other lol
@@_dont_mind_me I honestly did not hear about this issue tho....there are some fans in every fandom who like to accuse others of copying,,,,,, but sm and yg stans especially blinks like to throw this tantrum to other idols more than other stans
i'm proud that stayc seems to grow though, their newest mini album "stereotype" sold over 100.000 copies the 1st week making them the first and only girl group (at that time) that debuted in 2020 to achieve that. they're now ranked 8th among kpop girl groups for 1st week album sales following blackpink, iz*one, twice, red velvet, itzy, mamamoo & (g)i-dle :) + they got 3 wins with this comeback
🤬🤬🤬 ua-cam.com/video/sC4kBpHkopY/v-deo.html
Aespa too
@@angelyuqi6709 that's why i wrote "at that time" cause stayc came back at the beginning of september when aespa's comeback wasn't released yet
@@angelyuqi6709 stop dragging your fave n' appreciate the group stated. hnggggg
and it’s so crazy how much they’ve grown since then now in 2023
I think a lot of the "Bighit doesn't promote BTS" criticism stems from BTS not doing music shows anymore, when they've said that doing music shows without an audience isn't really fun, and Yoongi even said that music shows are exploitative off the idols and the idols don't benefit from them. I also don't really care about PTD being blocked by Butter on the charts, because I'm like 90% sure the only reason the song was ever even included on the Butter album was to entice people into buying it. Realistically, selling a $20 album for one song that already exists isn't appealing to a lot of people. Promotions for Butter, Dynamite, and BE were honestly fine, PTD is the only one that was really sketchy. BTS's target demographic is their fans, so if the promotions are targeted towards fans (i.e. the BE postcard promo, Butter twitter teaser clips, etc), who cares lol.
also the Gfriend opinion is kinda serendipitous seeing as it just came out that only 3 of the Gfriend members are going to continue as a unit together. The other former members aren't even doing music anymore. So while I'm sure Source Music's treatment of the members played a part in the members leaving, the member's drive to either continue music or pursue other fields likely played just as big of a role.
@@hanvsno umh yuju is still gonna do music... And yerin might release osts occasionally (probably)
Btw as long as the girls are still friends and interacting on ig, no prob at all. Besides, they have to be practical, they can't be together all the time. Only VVZ made the decision to stay with each other but there's no problem with sowon, yuju, and yerin doing their own thing.
i agree, but the be album promotions were a little sketchy/weird too. most armys who werent on twt didnt even know what be was till twt armys told them. other than that i agree
@@urlimelight But Bighit put a ton of stuff about BE on Instagram, and thousands of Instagram armys repost info from Twitter to Instagram anyways, so if people didn't know about BE before it was released, it is because they don't spend time looking at BTS's content. Bighit and BTS can't control people not looking at their content. And after it was released, they did quite a few interviews and performed Life Goes On on award shows. That's your promo right there. So I'm sorry but I do not buy into the idea that people didn't know about it, because those people probably don't interact with BTS' content much at all.
honestly i just think gfriend didnt like their new contract and decided to disband. think about it, the girls were soo overworked: they fainted a lot during their first year and yuju revealed she begged her dentist to pull her teeth out just to get a break. If i was in there place and the new contract would overwork me as my old one, i would have left asap
Yah, glad they're doing well now plus they're still friends
sinb said they were fired.. but im glad they are more happy now and still together
I don't know about BTS being underpromoted honestly. I used to think Bighit ia not letting them go on Music shows only for Yoongi to reveal that he dislike music shows and he is happy that the company doesn't force them. Same with BE. I thought BE promotion was not upto the mark like mots7 but then came to know that when it comes to BE almost everything was decided by BTS themselves! So I'm sitting here confused!
BE wasn't really marketed as a "commercial release" like BTS's other comebacks. There's a reason why so many Army's act like BE or LGO doesn't exist. Bighit didn't promote it, so Army's also doesn't give priority to it for streaming. Bighit needs to hire a new marketing team.
@@mahihossain5077 Big hit did promote it but it just wasn't shoved down our throats.
@@josyaidoo676 If you look at Dynamite and Butter, those songs were heavily promoted from almost a month before its release. Even non-fans knew about those comebacks. But the BE album, LGO and PTD were barely promoted before their release. The effort from Bighit was so minimum. Sooo many Army's who didn't use twitter or other social media, they were clueless and didn't know. Bighit didn't give priority to those comebacks. Just look how low the views of those songs are in UA-cam compared to BTS's other comebacks.
I've noticed that after 2018, Bighit kinda stopped putting effort in promoting BTS's comebacks bcz they were already doing so well and Army's were doing the promotion for BTS that was the job of Bighit's marketing team. The MOTS 7 era was a huge mess. So many Army's didn't understand the comeback schedule, they didn't know which MV's to stream or which was the lead single. Just look how amazing songs like ON and Black Swan has much lower views than the other new releases. Bighit needs to wake up and stop relying on Army's for BTS's promotion. They need to give EVERY Bts comeback the same priority the way they did for Dynamite and Butter.
@@mahihossain5077 I feel like both BE & PTD were not meant for promotion.. BE was a personal album which only had Delux version in the beginning and PTD was a song released on armys bday and a bside track to butter... Apart from these I haven't found any other songs or Comebacks from BTS that were underpromoted!
Even for MOTS7 there was a huge plan drawn out... Connect BTS was such a step and it was supposed to be huge..but Covid came and ruined everything... Armys only had confusion with which MV to stream... This was the time when UA-cam was going crazy deleting views left and right.. I don't think that's anyone's fault because that happening ti MOTS7 is what made Dynamite so big!
@@mahihossain5077 but the difference is that Dynamite and butter were English songs. And alone was doing the promoting for them. All of a sudden almost every media outlet was interested in bts because they were realising a new English song. PTD was a gift not necessarily a commercial track
BTS have said that the release of lgo at that point in time was their choice and so were the promotions. that song's purpose wasn't to compete or outdo dynamite it was just a feel good song and album for them to let out their creativity and try out new things. also no amount pushing back it's release and promoting would have it compete against dynamite. same goes for PTD it's just a feel good song to uplift people. not every song has to outdo the last
Exactly my opinion!Dynamite Butter was hugely promoted!LGO was all so personal and ofc BTS did so much in this album definitely they planned not make BE a commercial album that much!PTD was promoted too but some armys said it's bland and sabotaged it!And BTS leaving BigHit is literally almost impossible atleast as of now!I don't understand why people don't get it that Boys themselves says they are happy and are are like a family!Even in TFMA 2021 Jin thanked BigHit for doing better for them
wait whats lgo
@@zuhavcr life goes on
exactly not every song has to outdo the last bc thats just kpop mentality
Yes and this song means so much to cause this song made me an army
gfriend were exhausted, overworked, and under-recognized. some of y'all are not ready to accept that it's most likely that they just had enough of the industry and source. gfriend are OVER. OVER. there's nothing wrong or conspiratioral about it. get over yall selves amd just enjoy the music they were kind enough to give us for all those years if you love them so damn much.
Yeah could be that at least half the members of gfriend despite having good relations with the members may want to pursue things that isn’t idol music like acting which 2 members of Gfriend are planning to do. Idol music is usually geared towards teens so many they just wanted to be taken more seriously in the entertainment industry overall because idols in the entertainment overall isn’t looked at too highly if anything they are thought of quite lowly at times 💀
There was a paper that came out a couple years ago, with a written essay. I don’t remember where but, they basically said that the reason HYBE doesn’t promote BTS so much, and instead let the fans do it, is because it promotes fan engagement. That’s the reason BTS is so popular, is because the fans which are in the millions (90+) create posters, advertisements, and they promote BTS every comeback. By making promotional content it engages the fans to want to be more involved with the group. Because of this the fans are constantly entertained, and updated on what’s going on with the group. I’m actually surprised other companies don’t do this more, but I think other companies do try to do the same type of promotion through fans but, other groups under different companies don’t have the same fan support as ARMY. That’s why even if a group is pushed to the west their impact doesn’t stick as hard as BTS. If you look at Twitter as an example, almost every day something is trending because of BTS. Having this type of fan engagement and support is the reason why BTS is still popular, because the fans are willing, and ready to promote. The fans promote, they vote, they stream, and in return, BTS releases almost constant content for ARMY. It’s almost like we are a large family working together to achieve the same goal.
cult vibes /j
A "paper" from "researchers" who like to invade fandom spaces, treat us like animals they can examine and write "papers" on and teach about like we're a subject. Ok, yeah. Sure, Jan. 🙄That's the point of ANY FANDOM tbh, to promote and support your favorite artists. Would you be saying this to Taylor Swift fans, Ariana fans, rock band fans, etc? They all promote and have goals for their artists just as much as ARMYs do for BTS. What are we supposed to do when they have content or a comeback? Just sit here and twiddle our thumbs? Not tweet about it? Not stream???
@@pagesinked I think that BTS don't need promotions anymore. They are not a rookie group that needs this type of hype. Its like in the west, many famous artists drop surprise albums all the time and they do great because they are such big names with huge support that their promoters/labels don't need to do much work. I think BTS is among them. BTS is so famous and global with a huge fandom that everything they release promotion or no promotion, surprise or very much anticipated, it will do great. So I feel that Hybe is being intelligent and knowing where to put their attention to. for example TXTs comebacks.
@@pagesinkedwhere the fuk are you coming from?:/ Like they are not telling ARMYs to 'not tweet' or 'not stream' or whatever else you wrote. You didn't read nor understood the comment properly and went off.
Op made a theory about hybe's marketing stratergy, about what could be the reason for Hybe to not be promoting BTS as well as before, and about why BTS are still going so strong in the industry.
@@pagesinked well not only did you misinterpret it, you also said false things. Like no bruh, no kpop fandom will ever be the same as a western artist's fandom. Taylor's or Ariana's fandoms never organize streaming events or stream for three days non stop without sleep. I'm sorry, but that kinda obsessive behavior only happens in kpop and that too with the big third gen groups. So no, you do you, keep supporting BTS, but the kind of fandom y'all have created is never going to be the same as any western artist's.
Every time I see buddys argue that Gfriend's disbandment was caused by HYBE, their reasons are always based on speculation and crackpot fan theories. Truth is, Gfriend could've disbanded for any number of reasons: finances, conflict within the group, musical direction, management, etc. Buddys don't know anything for sure and they should stop pointinf fingers at HYBE just because they want someone to blame (and maybe they also hold a grudge against HYBE or its groups)
i agree with your comment, but not everyone is out to get bts
@@jade4293 Yeah I know. Just that a handful of buddys are using Gfriend's disbandment to hate on other HYBE groups and find the most illogical reasons to blame them. Some are chalking up their disbandment to pure misogyny on HYBE's part and then dunking on HYBE's boy groups. But I know this is a very loud minority of girl group stan twitter
Buddys are just brain dead and don’t want to accept the fact that maybe gfriend just didn’t renew contracts and want to be a group anymore. Considering 3 of the members are now going to debut together as a trio, clearly the others just didn’t want to be apart of a group anymore.
Lmao. Just accept that Hybe is a dumbass corporation who just like money. Buddy's didn't even hold a grudge towards any group under that corporation. Just the fact that they messed up everything. Do you even know that they exposed the important information like bank accounts of some buddy's on weverse and they trying to cover it by giving these people additional money but buddy's refuse it. Did you think you know everything about what happened to gfriend?
@@skinnybrutal1774 truee. Like they will never understand our situation because who tf disbands a group ahead of contract end without explanation. It all doesn't make sense.
another thing about GG having mostly gp support is that it's so inconsistent. they can cash on it when it's there with sponsorships and such but it can disappear overnight if they get bored of you or if they find a replacement for you. so many 2nd gen GG were loved by the gp but you don't even hear of them or their members anymore.
Yes except for snsd and maybe wonder girls and 2ne1.
The opinions were interesting, and I agree with most of them. I'm glad you posted, I was scrolling for something to watch. Also, your voice is really soothing.
also finally a kpop youtuber that uses their real voice!!! so many youtubers use the speech to text robot voice and it strikes me as lazy and devoid of personality. i immediately click out when a video starts with it. im so glad redvelvetsus not only knows her shit, but doesn't hide behind a robotic voice and actually puts effort into her videos.
As a black engene (sp?) I remember seeing everything on my tl and part of me died. I found everything comical bc why are there multiple theories for a situation? Like, how could people demand an apology when there were multiple scenarios of what happened. I saw literal PowerPoints of theories, like huh?
PowerPoint 😳
How do people...have so much time to spend that they choose to spend it on...well scandals that they created
I remember when I first saw it it wasn’t even a big deal. Like people were talking about it and some said they’d give them sometime to address the situation but it got SO BAD once those people on weverse started being racist. But the apology demanding was odd at first because people were arguing about whether it was heeseung, sunoo, Jake and sunghoon. It was a MESS
I agree that Luna is the best SM vocalist! Wendy and Taeyeon are amazing too but Luna is just really flawless, I hope her comeback does well.
Sm never misses with vocals
Stream Madonna by Luna.
@SupaKawaiiCupcake🥺 bada too, she was the og
i love luna's voice !! although my fave would definitely be amber
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Oh my gosh thank you for bringing up the Buddies! Tiny rant on it so sorry but I really can't deal with Buddies anymore. I was sad for Buddies when Gfriend disbanded but when Buddies started attacking BTS, TXT and future Hybe and Bighit artists I just decided that I didn't care about the disbandment anymore. I'm not even sure what's going on with the Sakura situation with Hybe and I'm not a Izone stan but I thought it was gonna be pretty cool to see what she did in Hybe but Buddies have been on Twitter completely attacking her saying things like “she's probably the reason they disbanded Gfriend because they are a threat to her”. It just sounds so delusional. And I can't even get started on the Buddies on Twitter saying that Hybe and Bighit had them disbanded because Bighit thought they were becoming a threat to BTS.........like some can't be serious that is two completely different levels 😐
also is super gross how they are coming for these new girls as well...without even knowing who they are.
@@swallowedinthesea298 omg yes glad you mentioned that because that's a whole rant in itself. I mean some Buddies on Twitter saying they can't wait to bully the new girl groups and do things like Bodyshame the new girl group. It's honestly sad.
As a buddy myself, I would like to (if I'm even allowed to) apologise on behalf of all buddies (the rational and mature ones, at least, immature buddies can go fuck themselves). Being active in the buddy community, it's really saddening to see that some buddies, who used to take pride in buddies being a "peaceful" fandom, (like literally would not stop bragging about how we stay calm amidst fanwars), and then themselves tweeting about how they are gonna boycott/slander the new girl group.
I think most of their anger is fueled by the sudden announcement and source music not offering an official statement, which in no way could justify any of the hate towards anything soumu/hybe related.
Even though I would consider myself a huge fan of GFriend, I could not say that I have a strong emotional connection to the group like some buddies do, so I could never claim to understand how frustrated some fans were when they heard about the disbandment. However, I don't think it's right to point fingers and come up with bizarre theories, and jump on the "blame hybe/soumu" bandwagon. Like there's literally so many factors that go into managing and planning for the future of a kpop group, just because the girls have said multiple times that they want to be together as a group forever, doesn't mean they would never disband. As if the girls have 100% of the rights and authority over the status of the group.
Ive been a buddy ever since late 2015. I'm quite surprised with this news as through the years we've been known to be one of the most peaceful and understanding fanbase in kpop. Really im shocked to hear this. I dont know about this mainly because I dont have twitter, reddit and those other social media platforms. Seriously i'm shocked that buddies, ACTUAL buddies are doing this.
I'm still heartbroken by gfriend's disbandment. Really it hurts to see one of your favourite groups be no more. I don't think it's right to express frustration, anger and disappointment in such a way though. It's hurting others too. I hope buddies heal soon, take accountability for their wrong doings and find a contentment and peace of mind after their remorse.
No one's attacking the groups under that corporation basically you add that to fuel your opinion. What's the connection of saying "f*ck hybe" in hating tje groups. Are you lost? Buddies hating the company and the artists.
jessica jung said in her book that sm manipulates u into signing a 10 year contract when u debut (they like work around the laws). Although the book is fictional but most SM groups always go past 7 years so I'm pretty sure it's true!
It used to be true, but there have been laws put in place in South Korea that restrict the length of idol contracts.
@@linnyw3423 I think she meant that sm managed to does a work around those laws
my personal annoyance is that whenever a group or idol does something that stans think is wrong so they react a certain way to try and address the issue in some way or another and it isn't always effective, productive, constructive, etc. so when you try and say "hey, maybe this isn't the way to address this" or "not all stans feel this way" or "this isn't a mature reaction" it AUTOMATICALLY means you're defending whoever fucked up and you're okay with it. like NO. maybe i don't think so and so's actions were okay, but i know better than to rant about it on twitter and talk over the people actually affected like I'm hot shit. I know better than to "BOYCOTT!!11!" when companies fuck up because ultimately it hurts the idols more. people tend to react in the most immature ways and try to deal with problems so illogically, and if you try to call them out on it then you're "PART OF THE PROBLEM" and need to be cancelled ASAP. ffs grow up twt
I’d like to agree with this comment but it’s so vague I have no idea if ur referring to when an idol wears braids and says the n word or when an idol doesn’t address a bullying rumor
@@mayuhmetal i think theyre talking just in general. what theyre saying could probably go for any of those
I can't stand buddys and their dumb theories. Literally source music treated them terribly over the years. Video after video of memebers collapsing on stage but that's not reason they left source it's gotta be some hybe conspiracy
as someone who ults izone, I also fell victim to the “overestimating izone members” thing. I never stanned ioi so I was just like 🤔 when I realized that pretty much NONE of the members have done anything related to the kpop industry if we exclude eunbi and now yuri
everytime the word "hibe" comes out of a buddy or carats mouth you know its gonna be a bad take
Yes because hybe is a trash corporation
@@skinnybrutal1774 and you know that seventeen resigned it must not be that bad
@@skinnybrutal1774 not rlly.
@@lauraromerapascual3840 seventeen did not resign because of hybe; pledis manages their own groups, not hybe.
@@roulettetime9549 nobody said that idk where you got that from
People use the word “queer baiting” so loosely. Cardi B talked about it. People are literally bullying celebrities to come out of the closet. It’s so messed up.
A lot of insiders said that few girls wanted to act or something so they disbanded... And buddys claim it's Hybe... Buddys literally didn't support Gfriend and now they crying and putting the blame on others
Queendom was literally red velvet coming back stronger after 2 years and pretty much reminding everyone that they aren't going anywhere. We know sm enough to know that if the girls were disbanding we wouldn't be getting a goodbye comeback, they would be put in the dungeon with no explanation just like every other girl group they've managed...
1 It's true, as a non army I didn't know PTD was gonna exist soon.
2. Nah, I loved next level from first listen.
thats cause PTD was for armys
next level was annoying af
2:51 I disagree BTS definitely has power and say in their promotions if u read their weverse interviews also that’s a good marketing strategy which lot of western celebs and labels do as well also I get why u would say that about PTD but BTS wanted that song to be a gift a#2 As a gg stan who only stan 4bgs I completely agree
The reason why buddies are so upset over gfriend disbandment was because it’s very unexpected, at that moment gfriend still has ongoing projects and schedules, and before that the members have teased a bit that they’re going to have a next comeback, that’s why buddies resorted to absurd and often far fetched theories and quickly blame hybe for it due to their stake in source music.
To be honest i’m very upset as well but there’s nothing i can do about it
Btschartdata promotes bts better than bighit LMFAOOOO
off topic but why isn’t btschartdata not verified yet ?
@@velvetsvz cuz twitter sucks
I just thought i d add one of my opinion here so✨✨
i feel like a lot of 'kpop stans' will leave the kpop community when BTS/BLACKPINK disbands. Its kinda like the thing that they ll never be able to love and support a group as much as BTS/BLACKPINK and they r leaving the kpop community as a symbol of 'loyalty' towards them...ofc not every1 might do this but i feel like a handful definitely will and its just...kinda stupid
Their favorite group disbands and they want to leave. How is that stupid?
@@melliexcx i honestly had forgotten that i had commented something like this and you right, its not stupid or wrong in any way. at the time i commented this, as a multi-stan myself i couldn't understand why they d leave. ofc anyone would be sad if their favs disband but there are so many talented groups and soloists out there who you could give a chance to. That's what i thought and so i didn't understand why they d just leave the community all together. But i do understand now and i respect anyone's decision to leave. Sorry about that.
@@navnihegde9022 oh it's okay thanks for explaining. I'm a multi Stan too but I'd understand if people left after their faves disband
People years ago would say the same thing about snsd
Ngl it would be so much better if Toxic armys and blinks left
you're so right about luna. i'm still so mad free somebody flopped - imo it was the best solo debut out of sm
With the Copying Jennie accusations, this shows that these blinks may feel threatened or insecure. If they find that the slightest similarity is a threat to Jennie or if the only compliments they can give Jennie are that everyone is jealous of her, they may have an issue. If you cannot genuinely point out something good about Jennie without putting down other idols, sit down and think because that’s sad :(
Hi ! In my opinion, big hit didn't promote permission to dance that much because they (the boys and big hit) didn't necessarily wanted it to chart. I'm a really active ARMY on twitter and even I didn't understand what permission to dance was supposed to be until few days before it's release, and many ARMYs on twitter were confused as well. I think big hit know what they're doing and they're are not bothered because this is what the boys want. Indeed, RM said in a interview that he didn't care about being mainstream as long as ARMYs listen to their songs. So that's probably why they rely on ARMYs for promotion. On the other hand, I do think that big hit should use their Instagram to promote the boys even more, even if they started to use it a little more than before, I'm sure they can improve on promoting on Instagram.
Yeah it was just a song for armys birthday, that's it
1. Eh disagree. PTD was a gift for army thats why it dropped at that time, it was literally ARMYs' bday
2. Definitely agree
3. Agree
4. !!!!!!! EXACTLY
5. 💀 yeah
6. Baby everyones are the worst part of fandoms *looks straight to baby armys*
7. Agree
9. Eh no opinion
11. Agree. Tbh Daniel is the biggest example... he was the top idol in sk during his time in wanna one and now... well
12. SPEAK ON IT
Daniel is actually still doing really well lol one of the best if not the best out of wanna one
Daniel and Park Jihoon of Wannaone are doing really well on Sk though, I really don't know what you're talking about. And Somi did very well on the charts and Sejeong and Sohye are doing well in their acting careers. Sejeong recently acted in a drama as one of the lead actors which went on to be the highest rated drama in the TV network's history and Sohye even got awards for the movie she was in. Just because you don't know who's doing what doesn't automatically make them less popular/flop lol.
4:19 EXACTLY. especially on twitter, and there's so many men who do this too bc they think having a female idol as their pfp makes them exempt from being misogynistic
I agree with Big hit not promoting BTS properly. TBH it looks like the moment the group becomes big the company stops putting efforts for promotions as they expect the fandoms to do so like WTH. Just look at EXO their last comeback Don't fight the feeling did not even get a vlive and their member DO also debuted as a soloist he also did not get a single promotion .
The thing is, DFTF wasn't really a comeback. It was a gift.
@@서헤이란 same with PTD! for me it's like a little gift for armys for our "birthday" which is july 9
Regarding the first point, I do agree Bighit, at times, doesn't know how to create hype around a CB. Like, I'm still mad for the confusion about ON MVs & release. Armys work better when we have clarity about things. But I disagree with LGO & PTD timing. LGO (& BE) wasn't intended to be a major CB. And PTD seems more like a conclusion to the trilogy that is BTS' full English tracks & they went with a healing concept for that.
The timing did make charting or numbers difficult, but I think charting/numbers weren't the main focus with both releases & at times, we as a fandom forgets to look beyond that.
I have to admit I was convinced that next level had grown on me, but then I realized that the only reason I thought that was because sticker had just come out, and was so bad that it made literally any other song tolerable in comparison.
Iliterally caught myself thinking “this isn’t that bad” when I heard the new stray kids song 💀
If that doesn’t tell you what you need to know, then idk what to say
Speaking of aespa, at this point I know I’m not stanning them cause their music just isn’t for me, they peaked at black mamba imo
Baby members of any fandom are the worst cause they don’t know shit yet and try to be experts
also LUNA SUPREMACY!! Free somebody slaps and y’all still don’t know it exists. F(x) is underrrated among kpop fans, their discography is the second best under SM after red velvet imo
About the izone opinion, temporary groups just don’t make much sense in general. Kinda annoyed that gp999 is a thing, it’s basically produce all over again. My hot take is that gp999 NEEDS to be rigged because apparently fans can’t vote properly. Y’all just don’t understand that the winning contestants will be a group and are just voting based on “aura” etc. Remember, this is a kpop group, their main job is to sing. The final group is gonna only have main and lead dancers, sub-vocals, and visuals if mnet doesn’t rig it.
Now that I think about it that was almost what happened with izone; I don’t think it’s an accident that yuri’s rank rose so much in the last episode, she was one of the few actually decent vocalists on the show and mnet recognized that they needed a main vocalist in the group. It was a smart move in their part tbh
Pls the way most of the vocalists in gp999 got eliminated after the 2nd voting💀
Yeah the 'baby fans' are the scary ones , no matter how old their physical age are , they are absolutely ✨ toxic✨
i agree w the aespa one
Buddies claiming that Gfriend were disbanded by hybe for any other reason than internal conflict within source is just moronic, if gfriend were as successful and as big of a threat as people like to claim they would have NEVER been disbanded. Why in the hell would a label disband a group that brings them money for a group that doesn't exist yet? It literally doesn't make any sense
Some brands are powerful enough to promote themselves. e.g BTS, Blackpink etc. It is called word-of-mouth promotion. Take Tesla for example, Tesla relies heavily on word-of-mouth advertising. This means Tesla markets to its customers by not directly marketing to them. So, what I'm trying to say is that I dont think a company like HYBE, who's main objective is to make profits, would suddenly became lazy and not promote BTS. They are the worlds biggest band. A band with a large and loyal audience like that makes marketing very poweful.
Just wanted to come back to ask if Buddy’s are gonna calm down now that Eunha, SinB and Umji are gonna be in a group together now?
Well never be happy to we get them back in full
Also source music ran out of money try to create a new girlgroup with hybe
So it is sources fault
boy groups have "more" stans because they have more room to do mature concepts (not just sexy mature either) im someone who likes both equally but leans more towards girlgroups, i can tell you now girl groups are constantly composed of disney princesses and members that have little to no vocal color, which is exactly why all the popular girl groups have very distinct members. boy groups arent more popular bc "the fans actually financially support them more" they're just more distinct and attract young girls bc theyre hot, sorry but it is true boy groups get more fans for that reason, the target for bgs has ALWAYS been young girls.... it's not sexist or misogynistic to point that out in a boy group fan, Twice attracts more fanboys than fangirls, that should tell you all u need to know about why ggs and bgs attract the opposite gender... alot of the support is in fact made up of thirst, lets be honest if bts was ugly theyd be nowhere on ur playlist (: not to mention teen girls get crap for liking anything mildly cute and MOST girl groups are cutesy or has had a few cutesy concepts. i just think some of yall need to not throw the terms sexist and misogyny around just bc it is criticizing other females lmao especially when it is not a harmful one, it's a-okay to like a group bc u think theyre hot.
So True
I just stan a lot of girl groups because they feed into my gayness
Yes 😳
Oop you exposed me
Exposed
I really wish I could support my groups financially, but unfortunately I am broke :/
Don't worry there's millions of others supporting them financially
I agree with the whole part about GG stans, mostly on twitter. I've noticed some toxic gg stans would praise their bias, their group and preach about being femist and about women empowerment. but when a group or person who they don't like did something they would switch sides, calling them VERY nasty names which are known do criticm women in particular such as "wh0re, s1ut"
Actually what I hate about next level is that it sounds like 2to3 different songs put into one ...
If all of them were seperate songs I would have probably loved it 😬
Like when I listened to it for the first time I was heavily dissapointed how the flow changed 🙃
But it might be me who hates such changes in a song and there might be many ppl who like it
Just my opinion .. from a casual listener
It sounds like some unfinished songs compiled together because they're just too lazy to make a complete work
Producer 1: Hey, I made a short catchy beat
Producer 2: I made an amazing chord progression
Producer 1: Let just put them together
Producer 2: But, how? They sounds totally different
Producer 1: Just do it
@@dominikusbagaskara7639 mhm maybe idk
Honestly, first time I heard it I thought I was listening to a medley.
i think they were trying to make it like i got a boy and failed
@@gwen7819 ya probably ..
seriously people need to watch lunas immortal song 2 performances and listen to her osts. taeyeon and wendy are good, but luna is just...something else imo. such a dynamic singer, so immersed in her performances, has an unbelievable ability to express emotion through her voice. her ballads are my favorite
I won't say Bighit sucks at promoting BTS, rather ARMY (mostly US) promote BTS more thoroughly and successfully than Bighit.
i think ppl let wanna one slip out of their mind...how many members can you name that are still active let alone in a successful group
During the enhypen controversy everyone was saying “protect black engenes” and then I hop on weverse and people are calling black engenes monkeys and telling us to l*nch ourselves. not a fun time :(
Yeah, I left the group because of the fandom. It was really difficult being on Weverse for a while bc no one was listening to black engenes and the racism was crazy
Wait people hated Net level, that song have been goated from the first listen. What the hell?
hmm…I think it’s debatable about PTD.
I feel like PTD was similar to LGO in that they wanted it to be released at a certain time (1 month after Festa).
I feel like BTS is at a point where they do things for more meaningfulness
I do wish that for future releases that would allow the songs to fade in popularity before putting out the next one - That’s why I don’t see an album drop this year (unless it’s a hoilday album).
Blinks need to accept that Black Pink's concept and style is nothing original or innovative neither are the members themselves and there's literally nothing wrong with that, It's been done before many times. I especially see it from new Kpop fans who think BP is the only group to ever be a 4 member group girl crush concept and it makes them come off as too insulting towards other groups and idols and ignorant of the industry.
The next level one is so true. However I actually did like it when I first listened to it
1. Ptd was released as a gift for armys but yeah I agree bh def lacked in promoting it & I feel like its probably gonna be a forgetful song bcuz of hype abt butter
2. Nah I didn't like next level & I still do not like it
3. Pls feminism doesn't exist on stan twt both gg & bg stans attack eo & other female idols( not all ofc) while preaching abt women empowerment & feminism 🙄
4. Wow I never really thought this way but u r right bg perform so bad on charts but bcuz of their high album & ticket sales they've higher chance of last longing
5. Not a blink so can't say anything 🤷♀️
6. Not a red velvet fan & don't know much abt them so....🤷♀️
7. I agree.... stan twt learns one word & then never forgets it
8. I'm not black so I dont really talk abt it but yeah i've seen kpop non black fans literally competing over which idol has done more ca & I think its just sick
9. I don't stan any sm grp so I don't know 😅
10. Sorry I have no idea abt this
11. I have seen those theories lmao but I stay away frm it cuz its so ridiculous like they blame hybe all the time but forget that source music is literally there but when u try to remind them then u r a company stan so I stay away frm it 😂😂
I'm late and I probably won't get an answer, but I'll try. I agree completely that boy groups have more fandom support than gg and that's why companies can drop them so quickly, but why? Why do girl groups attract more casual fans than boy groups? Why don't they produce the numbers and the sales? Why aren't they buying? And this feeds into the toxic idea you were talking about too, it feeds into this idea that boy group fans are crazy girls who would do anything for those boys and are willing to spend more than a pretty penny on them, for absolutely anything. Though that is clearly wrong it is true that for some reason they are financially loyal and willing to give a pretty coin most often then not. I don't like thinking that I am a bad fan and would love to think that fans are those who support their idols and stay loyal to them however they can, but of course many people think it's those who spend the money on them. Whenever I see kpop fans with many albums and who spend a lot, truthfully it seems to be more of the bg fan demographic. Are girl group fans just cheap? But then again why? Boy group fans just seem to go the extra mile for their idols in this sense. As for me I'm just broke and even if I wanted to buy tickets to a concert as a Puerto Rican living in the island I'd have to spend money on flights and hotels just to see them. Any one have any ideas why girl group fans aren't as profitable? Is the culture just different? But that would of course still leave the question of why? Cause I LOVE my girl groups and have been loyal to them for years, I have a few albums like 7 or 8 and even got a lighstick that I have amounted throughout the years. However honestly while I am broke it's not like I have this huge desire to have them, most of the time I'm fine and I guess that's how gg fans are?
It actually kind of lies in the misogynistic nature of sk as a country. I'm sure there are other factors as well but a lot of people in korea are misogynistic and maybe hence don't want to financially support girl groups even if they like them/ listen to their songs. One incident of this misogyny I can remember is Irene getting hate for reading a book on feminism. Now i know international fans exist but for most groups especially groups outside of the big 3, they don't have much of an international fanbase who are willing to pay for the album + shipping is expensive too. A few gg like snsd, bp and twice have amazing sales but other than these groups and a couple others here and there, gg sales are very low. Not only that but gg have a shorter life span as well, they are definitely mistreated/ overworked/ sexualized by company and fans and maybe just want to leave. Most gg don't have creative freedom hence they leave, or they just want to move on from kpop. Also have you noticed how most creative directors, writers, producers in kpop are men? ik there are some excellent women killing it in these fields out there but the industry is dominated by men, even on the inside.
I heard somewhere that one reason why girl groups don't sell as well is bc they are marketed more towards a male audience. Not all girl groups are, but if the fanbase is mostly made up of men, they might not show up in numbers as women do. Men might not participate or be as loyal in fandom spaces.
I’d like to add that Luna and Lina are the best.. not a lot of people know about her because she’s first gen, but I’m pretty sure Lina is credited as the best or one of the best vocalists in kpop ever
Yes I agree gg don't sell bg do. If you actually look at 4 gen million seller there are actually 4 gg. Itzy,aespa,Is*one and (g)-idle out of 15 groups on the list.
As an SM artist fan, Luna is definitely the best sm female vocalist! and i`m saying that as a big fan of taeyeon and wendy... its just so sad that luna is so underrated - go listen to madonna !
1.Just because you stan a girl group doesn’t make you a feminist- if your a feminist you believe in equal rights for woman and men. Just bc you listen to a female artist doesn’t make you a feminist.
2.peopled hated on next level so much. Then people said it was really good. In my opinion i didn’t really like it but it’s not bad.
3.I hate when people say “your copying bp” “or your copying bts”, just bc their the top female and male group doesn’t mean that everyone wants to be them and copy them. Even when they have completely different themes they still say your copying- It’s so stupid. People are always like “this group wouldn’t be the same if it wasn’t for bts or bp. “That person/group worked very hard for it. They probably trained for years and then your claiming their trying to be them. Not everyone wants to be bp or bts. Their all good and different. Then that group gets hate for “copying.”
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Also kpop isn't seen as a big deal in korea. They don't even call it kpop but idol music
My unpopular opinion: I expect lowkey, subliminal anti-black racism from the K-Pop music stans, who rant about "how K-Pop music is much better than the pop music in the western societies". In most rants that I've heard (9 times out of 10), the stans always use black entertainers as examples of how "perverted, sexualized, mediocre and drug-fueled" western, pop music is (when being compared to K-Pop music)... as if there weren't non-black artists (ex. Miley Cyrus, Justin Bieber, Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake, etc.) they could've used.
whats funny is that these non black artists are usually seen as liberating, inspiring when they are doing the same things and talking about the same subjects. talking about sex, love, money and pride. lol. One thing i've realised is that they go so hard and attack the hiphop/ rap industry as if the pop scene isn't as bad or even worse in some categories.
I agree with opinion 1 that they aren't promoted that well now but I don't think that really effects their comeback and all thanks to Armys!Also I think they did promote Butter and Dynamite really well and so as PTD too (few so called armys themselves sabotaged comeback saying it was boring)!And for BE I think it's because it was personal to them and may be it's just BTS's decision!We do see that BTS has a lot of say in all their release and activity!but definitely none of them would ever leave BigHit until something happen in future!The boys themselves has always said how happy they are to work with BigHit and that it's a family to them!Also how can they leave BigHit when they are owners of BigHit?They own 33.3% in BigHit Music which makes them owner of BigHit Music!I am talking about BH Music not Hybe okay!
I think that BTS don't need promotions anymore. They are not a rookie group that needs this type of hype. Its like in the west, many famous artists drop surprise albums all the time and they do great because they are such big names with huge support that their promoters/labels don't need to do much work. I think BTS is among them. BTS is so famous and global with a huge fandom that everything they release promotion or no promotion, surprise or very much anticipated, it will do great. So I feel that Hybe is being intelligent and knowing where to put their attention to. for example TXTs comebacks.
GLAD UR BACK WOO
As a non Army, I don't understand the obsession with trying to break records every comeback, even when it's records BTS set themselves. Other groups feel loved and appreciated without having to break records left and right. I think Armys care too much about numbers, and not enough about the actual music. I'm sure those boys are just happy to be doing what they love and having people love what they do.
I think many armys are attracted to BTS like football fans are attracted to the most successful teams. It's not about the music, it's about the prestige. So they try to push BTS even further. There are also fans who feel validation if their group is more successful than others.
I think you overestimate the impact of individual armys “obsession” with records. The main reason behind BTS records is just the size of the fandom compare to other fandoms. You’re not gonna care about records if you don’t have the capacity to break them to begin with.
armys literally just care about music that's why we break the records, otherwise we would be just talking about their visuals and choreos and shit that doesn't actually matter
i can see where you are coming from with your third opinion, but i think it comes from both sides. i've seen a LOT of boy group stans who act misogynistic towards female idols and give them a harder time when it comes to controversies, etc. while instantly forgiving their male faves. i think there's misogyny on both sides for sure but i do agree that on for boy groups it's against the fans and for girl groups it's against the idols themselves.
My dumb self thought she said "Loona is the best female vocalist of SM". It took me a second. Haha
“it’s not a grower, it’s stockholm syndrome” lmaooo.
I strongly agree with this one! I honestly think there’s no such thing as a grower song, you either like it, don’t vibe with it, or hate it, and if you force yourself to listen to it 500 times to like it that just confirms that you either don’t vibe with it or just hate it lol.
Omg someone else who doesn't like next level
anyways i think the opinion of gg vs bg sales was really interesting and good points were made. i never thought of that before but it makes a lot of sense
also for the main thing of girl groups being better...for me it's personal preference but guy groups are great too.
Wait why do I agree with all of these opinions? subscribing right now. Also apart from Black Mamba, I personally don't like any of Aespa's title tracks (and it took me months to like BM).
It is insane to me that GG stans will sooner blame "misogyny" and "the patriarchy" on GGs not lasting long than getting a part time job and buying one copy of their faves' albums.
As mainly a gg stan, I'll let you know a lot of us DO buy their albums, we just don't buy 20 copies each like most bg fans do.
I commented on buddies and I got ATTACKED. I understand your upset about your favorite group disbanding but some of them need to CALM DOWN
You will be attacked if you said something downgrading and below the belt. This fandom is nice only to people who knew respect.
@@nevermind8844 i didnt even say much. I just tried to put logic into why they disbanded. I said they might come back and they might not come back but they need to accept that
@@Yxxyn._ if you are not a fan then making assumptions on what happened to them then better stay quiet because buddies we're all in shocked when source music dropped that news 'cuz its really out of no where that day gfriend also have schedules like dropping contents and then suddenly they deleted that and terminated gfriend contract earlier than we expected. During nyel if you even watched they talked a lot about their future as a group GFRIEND and wanted to try new concepts. The only thing that keep our nerves are those kpoppies trying to protect those companies. I'm telling you there are a lot of things I wanted to tell you but it's too long. That's why y'all never understand us.
@@nevermind8844 I AM a buddy. Why do you assume just because I wasn’t in a series panic that im not? I know the girls love each other like sisters and that they will always be Gfriend, and that’s enough for ME. Sorry that I didn’t cry about it, I don’t have to prove my emotions to determine if I’m a fan or not. I get some fans might be more upset then others, especially if this is their ult group or something. I’m a huge Kpop fan but I’m not nearly as involved as I was 3 years ago
mys boutta talk about savage the same way they talked about next level😭😭😭 they r both bad
I just want better for aespa TBH and I don't even stan them. They can all sing really well, whoever is making them rap needs to get away from them expeditiously
Now all of them will come after me but savage is really not savage it's trash ! I never liked next level but after hearing that trash savage I started to like next level
Fx was let down SO BAD. All of them deserved SO MUCH MORE
Thank you for bringing up Izone....been telling people for months before they disbanded that it was not gonna be a great thing for many of them. People are like, "no, it's better for them to disband and pursue solo projects etc"...No....it's not..lol and never was gonna be. The strength was in the group. Rookie kpop fans seem to think there's some great and prosperous solo market out there...lol...there isn't. Great vid👍
Sinb (ex gfriend) spilled that they were fired by the company. The company was shitty and i dont really like people defending the company. BUT I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD NOT HATE BTS OR THE NEW GG. Hate the company. Idc if its soumu or hybe, i hate both. they both have a bad history with gg before and it just happens again. Im sorry if you see us buddys annoying or disturbing, but our group gets fired so suddenly...
Yay I’m glad you posted!
I always thought that Wendy was the best sm vocalist but about 2 years ago I started listening to Luna vocals and I was like. HOLD UP why is everyone sleeping on Luna vocals when she is literally better than Wendy and taeyeon I was so when you actually agreed with me. LUNA IS THE FEMALE BEST VODALIST FROM SM ENTERTAINMENT
I 100% agree with the fact that bg stans are waayy better at financially supporting boy groups than gg stans are with girl groups. So many terrible takes come from them. GG stans will write think pieces on not streaming and buying their favs music then be surprised in 2 years when their favs disband. Well, what do you think is keeping the lights on and fridge full?? Then they will bring up charts. Yeah you can have both, but I’m pretty sure groups prefer 2M album sales and #67 and OUT on the charts bc that’s what keeps the fridge full instead of letting idols have sleep for dinner. I will always buy BTS albums bc I love their music and that’s how you support an artist not being edgy on social media. Maybe instead of writing terrible takes on Twitter go out an buy an album. It’s still on the shelf at target.
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lmfao r people forgetting that bp didnt create the girl crush concept 😂 last time I check, 2ne1 made the girl group concept popular
3. GFRIEND still has ongoing projects
When the news was leaked, Yuju was in a series called "Yuju is Halli Queen," and not all of the episodes had been released yet.
The series' staff had to rush and release 2 videos a week instead of one to finish the series quickly.
Nah let’s talk about how some Kpop fans try to use black trauma or racism as a way to hate on idols or groups for no reason. Even when black Kpop fans come out and say it’s not a big deal or you’re misreading the situation they ignore them and continue to bash idols for no reason. They get mad at idols for not knowing another country’s history which is stupidly ignorant enough when 80% of Kpop fans don’t even speak Korean or know any history regarding Korea either. If it isn’t bluntly racist then stop trying to justify a reason of hating on idols who just didn’t know:) ( this doesn’t go for idols who just say n word or the hard r either)
YES QUEEN YOURE BACK 🤧
My unpopular opinion:
Idol stopping smiling for a second in the performance does not mean they're depressed/anxious/tired of idol life. I saw so many people having conspiracy theories that idols are mistreated, forced to lose weight etc just because for some moment they weren't smiling. I don't think closing eyes at every bad thing that is happening in kpop industry is a good idea (it's even worse) but starting to worry about an idol for the littlest things is terrible too. Let them live and stop saying that 99% idols are depressed for dumb reasons.
I think next level has good components but I hate how they fit together so awkwardly. I only started enjoying the song after I listened to a UA-cam version that was rearranged.
I bet a lot of people grow to like next level but I loved it from the first moment like it’s so cool and make me feel like a badass.
the first one.. i never really thought about it but now that you pointed it out, i can see where you’re coming from. my army friends who aren’t on twt didn’t really know much about ptd and its release until i filled them in about everything related to it. that opinion was actually unpopular.
I think time changes our views...if I dislike a song....I'll wait a few weeks or a few months and re-listen to see if I like it and get through the entire song (usually I quit if I dislike it for an amount of time) and if I don't like it then I'll skip over it.
i honestly liked next level from the beginning. but i definitely saw people saying that it’s a grower
I totally agree with the Bighit not giving enough effort for BTS promotion opinion. After 2018, I feel like Bighit really started relying on Army's too much. For the last three years, It always feels like Bighit barely tries to promote BTS, especially right before their comeback. A big entertainment agency like bighit/HYBE should do the promotions in a professional way. I think Bighit kinda knows now that Army's are gonna explode the comeback news on the Internet anyways. So they barely make any effort to promote BTS before their comeback. Nowadays I see sooo many casual fans and Army's who don't use twitter or other social media apps, these people don't even know when BTS releases a new song or even a collab. I've seen so many Army's on the comment sections being totally clueless on the day a new song is released.
I also feel like nowadays, Bighit doesn't really give a proper direction to fans when they release a BTS comeback schedule. I remember during ON era, everyone was so confused and majority of the people didn't even know which songs to stream or which song was the lead single. Just look how great the comeback for Dynamite and Butter was. Those songs were heavily promoted and even non fans knew about the comeback.
About LGO and PTD, Bighit really didn't promote those songs that much bcz those songs were more like "gifts" to Army's during the pandemic situation and not marketed as a "commercial release". Just look how low the views are for those songs on UA-cam compared to BTS's other releases. If Bighit doesn't show much importance to those comebacks, Army's also wouldn't go out of their way to stream those songs. Bighit really needs to understand that Army's can't do everything. They really need to hire a new marketing manager.
hey. i'm a reveluv who joined during psycho era, but i've never assumed that red velvet was ever gonna stop performing or anything. when i first joined the fandom, i tried to familiarise myself with everything about red velvet;names, representative colours, bsides, title tracks from happiness onwards, and just simply put, learning more about red velvet. i have always supported them ever since i entered the fandom. i genuinely love all their music and i try to support them by buying albums whenever they release one. i've also beentaking the effort to make friends with reveluvs at physical fancafes and meeting more reveluv mutuals on twitter etc.
conclusion is, not all baby reveluvs are like what you said. maybe the minority you see, but not every baby reveluv out there. i want red velvet to last for as long as they want or can. don't be misunderstood by this minority of baby reveluvs. most of us aren't like this. thanks for reading.
I love how brutally honest you are 😂
one thing i will say is no matter how many direct quotes and interviews and whatever else is used that says red velvet want to carry on, its not like sm has a history of listening... like they may not 'disband' but them slowly fading into inactivity is something sm pull and have pulled with their girlgroups before so its not like any form of red velvet doing this is off the table? in general most fans saying this know what sm are like, theyre not saying red velvet hate being idols or that they want to do other activites, theyre saying sm treat girl groups like absolute garbage and just because red velvet say they want to cary on does not suddenly take sm's power off to fizzle them out, off the table.
i’ve always been a next level truther ☺️ i thought it was so interesting and what i expected from their debut. i found black mamba to be pretty boring on release so next level was a breath of fresh air and what made me seriously want to stan aespa
and people need to stop taking the "contract ending/seven year curse" too seriously. the 7 year curse is because the contracts were and maybe still are held up for 7 years but contracts can be renewed, it's up to the idols if they want to continue once it's up.
GFRIEND posts their schedule for every week on their fancafe, and the schedule indicated that we would get additional content- mainly UA-cam clips- after May 22nd
After the news was leaked, SourceMusic quickly deleted the schedule, and fans never got the filmed content.
I don’t have Twitter and I didn’t even know about permission to dance untill the day before when a friend told me about it. And it honeslty shcoked me on how little it was permitted.
for me, with next level i listened to it a couple times when it first came out, i wasnt really sure about it, then i let it sit for like a month and listened to it again, and i didnt take it off repeat for like the whole day lmao
heavily agree with the girl group one, I’m a gg Stan and I don’t Stan any boy groups (expect BTS) but it’s because I like girl group music more and I hate how people stan girl groups becuase they’re girls, it’s so annoying