The LOST Van Halen Songs!
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Here recently, your buddy Uncle Ben Eller here has been on a HUGE Van Halen kick! Some of you all spotted me in @andywoodmusic 's EVH Wet Dry Wet Ultimate Pedalboard video, I know, and I've just come across the legendary Gene Simmons Van Halen 1976 demos here on UA-cam! I was SHOCKED by how sick some of these unused riffs were! These are the LOST Eddie Van Halen riffs, and I'm so excited to share them with you on today's Riff Retrospective!
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What's your favorite Van Halen riffs, lost OR found?! Let me know in the comments!
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I love the story that Mike Soldano tells about Eddie calling him to fix his Marshall.. I think it might have been on Valentines or something. He's like 45 mins away and gets there in 15 and Mike can't wait to get into the guts of the "Mystical Marshall" only to find out its bone stock/plain jane..
Guess those hands do matter a lot..
Bravo Ben - this was a tremendous topic, well done sir!
Eddie was only 23 when he made the first album…let that sink in!!!!!
ALIENS!
I could never wrap my head around that. Same with Nuno -- 23 yrs old when Pornograffitti was released - which was his 2nd album.
Crazy 😮
Still can't believe he's gone😢
Am I alone I thinking some of the most terrifying guitar ever is Eddie pre-tapping and pre-whammy bar?
Alex Skolnick was a teenager when he recorded The Legacy with Testament.
Big Trouble was on their last album. Name changed to Big River I believe. The riff at 19:23 is ‘Outta Space’ on their last album.
True!!
@@BenEller guitar sounds sick man. Great playing.
call me crazy, but I don't think Big River is as good as the Demo version. As rough sounding as it is, I think the vocals are better and the harmony parts are better in Big Trouble. I do wish they had recorded that version with the Ted Templeman sound and added it to Diver Down or WACF.
Don't forget about the bass groove in big trouble Uncle Ben, it's badass too.
@@jeffgrummons2954Big trouble was definitely better. And the lyrics made more sense in it too. Same as the original she’s the woman demo, it’s just that it had the mean street bridge in a part of the song.
18:56 Eddie went with "but does it sound good?" in all things music. He didn't care one bit about "but is it in the scale?" .. which is what made him so different from Randy!
It's. The damn KISS Love Gun tone ! He was basically auditioning Alex And Eddie for KISS ! Van Halen also played a set on KISS full Love Gun stage! I have a copy ,it's like these guys had never played before! Which is what Gene wanted ,and that is what he wanted to happen! They flew back to LA and when KISS played 3 nights at the Forum, everyone was on the list except Dave!
You touched on the fact that a lot of these riffs feel timeless in away most stuff from the same era doesn't. They have an energy and sparkle that makes them feel like amped up AC/DC or something.
I love those demos,"Let's get rockin","Babe don't leave me alone" and "We die bold" that they should've released on ADKOT ..Thank you Uncle Ben,great upload.
The riffs for "Big Trouble" wound up being used for "Big River" on the Different Kind of Truth album in 2012.
These demos tunes are crazy! Also I think Eddie’s mythical Marshall probably had blown components changed out or repaired, and there was a ton of part variation at the time. His was ‘stock’ but probably had some non standard parts. But at the end of the day it was his absolutely bonkers writing and playing.
Van Halen was really a Riff machine!! Amazing!!
The Halen's were flown to New York to record this, and they did it through Kiss"s gear if memory serves correctly, A very inexperienced Gene Simmons was giving them directions as producer which did little for their own sound coming through. Check out complete Zero which also has some of the Warner Brothers Demos...as far as getting it exactly right on let's get rockin... Remember Ed's moto... If it sounds good it is good. Great Job Ben, you can never have too much Van Halen...
So much cool evh coming out on UA-cam you're going to be busy learning new old riffs for a while
I’m so shocked that they dropped that first riff and didn’t use it again. I was just staring at your fingers hypnotized
It’s so tasty!!!
Several riffs from their early demos would later get used on the ‘A Different Kinda of Truth’ album. In fact 1/3 of the songs were from 70s demos, 1/3 were Hagar/Cherone era demos & the last 1/3 were new songs.
This is hilarious - just last night I was zoning out on UA-cam checking out the '75-'77 Van Halen stuff, including the Zero demos....and this morning you post this! Ha, awesome!
I love how a lot of those riffs from back in the day ended up on A.D.K.O.T. Which ended up being my favorite album for a long time! To me, it was some of his best playing! 🎸🤘🏻
Big Troubles did go on their album A Different Kind Of Truth in 2012. They called it Big River on that album. Also Lets Get Rockin was on A Different Kind Of Truth and they called it Outta of Space.
Definitely wild to think about! I realized the other day watching Live Without A Net in 1986 Eddie had been playing and developing Eruption for at least 10 years at that point -- this taught me to be nicer to myself about learning and failing in my own attempts at master level technique, and following the man at the top's influences with grace and respect. That book Eruption is so good.
Goddamn bro. Wish you could do the whole songs. These are such bangers. Insane that they didn't put them in an album.
I knew EVH had the blues and jazz licks and scales locked down, but I had no idea he was putting prog rock down into his repertoire. Very interesting, but his chord and scale progression may have come from this.
Loved this! Hope you can do a Part 2 and include We Die Young, Get the Show on The Road, Red Zone, Eyes of The Night.
Great idea for a lesson Ben! How about the intro to “we die bold”? Talk about greasy! So wet. Such swing! What a GOAT. RIP King
Great comments! Excellent topic, thanks! hope it’s OK to bring a different topic in. He was no slouch on the keyboard either. I was a late bloomer in appreciation of Edward, but committed to teach myself "Right Now" on the piano, stated and practiced obsessively the day he went home. Still have trouble with the flowing key pressure. I admire all you guitar players,
Eddie has more lost and unused riffs than most guitarists have total riffs in their lifetime. He wasn't just an amazing player, he was incredibly prolific. There's not a ton of repetition across his career.
I could play Eddie riffs all day. So much fun. Thanks Ben!
Same dude!! Theres something about evh riffs
Agreed! Long live the King!
I’m 44. My original guitar teacher had the bootleg for those sessions and gave me a copy when I was 13. Mind blown. Love that guitar btw ❤
Btw we need a 5150 song in depth tutorial. You played that song recently on the video that you tested the amp and pedalboard from van halen w-d-w rig. There is a lot of cool riffs on that tune.
Every video, I'm always amazed at how clean your playing is. My muting is garbage. Another thing to work on this year. I really enjoyed listening to the demos. I've also spent an unhealthy amount of time listening to isolated tracks of Eddie's guitar from the first two albums. Hard to believe that Gene Simmons couldn't get anyone to take an interest in the band.
I agree with your point about how Eddie could get away with stuff that doesn't seem to make any sense theoretically but yet he always somehow made it work. For example when I started having a go at Unchained and got to the pre chorus I was thinking "What the?...How? Where did he get this from?!
Have you watched my video on that riff??
@@BenEller No I haven't but I most certainly will later on today when I'm finished adulting, Thanks'
Incredible job on some amazing little known VH tracks. I'd also love to see a Part II, as well. Here are a few unreleased Van Halen tracks that I'd loved to see covered one day: "Light In the Sky", "Eyes of the Night", "Angel Eyes", "No More Waiting", "Down In Flames" and there's so many more out there, too. Please consider doing a follow-up one day. Well done, Ben!!
You look like a proud father playing those riffs 🤘🏼 Love it!
just finished that book a few days ago...great insight from the man himself!!!
Man so many great songs on those demos. Down In Flames, We Die Bold, Voodoo Queen, House Of Pain. Eddie at his finest RIP
I’ve known all these songs forever, awesome to see all these songs transcribed, especially show on the road
Big Trouble becomes Big River on A DIfferent Kind Of Truth. Pretty much note for note and with the intro too.
Nice!!! Wish that record was on Spotify!
@@BenEllerIt used to be on Spotify, but the licensing expired for it. Wolfgang recently commented on it, and basically said that Dave hates ADKoT, so it unfortunately will probably not be reappearing on there.
Thanks Uncle Ben!
That Marshall is SINGING BABY
At 16:00 that reminds me of Take Your Whiskey Home!
I'm reading Eruption too!
My favorite lick lately has been the 1:40 bridge for Light Up the Sky. Underrated! And it's that fun, smiley, swinging rhythm that really energizes and inspires me on my own journey to find my own sound and style
This video is a great idea. Thank you so much. Edie was THE riff master when it comes to groove.
Down in Flames, I got on a bootleg in 1990. It started with the intro of Linda Ronstadt's No Good. After that the song was so good. They should have done Down In Flames in its original form like Bullet Head, instead of Tattoo. That's the one you missed.love to see your take.
Haha id never heard that 'from the high register to the cash register' before. You fun me.
THE best Van HALEN sunday Eller moment of life yeah !
When I first heard these demos, it was like a new album.
Heaven on Earth
A Gift from God.
Thanks for sharing this, Ben!
What I would absolutely love is a deep dive into the following songs off the Zero demo album; Light In The Sky (Not the same song as Light Up The Sky), We Die Bold, Who Put Out The Lights, Woman In Love (A deeper dive), Please Don't Leave Me Alone.
So cool you showed these, also tap into the Warner Bros. Looney Tunes demos like We Die Bold, Young and Wild.
Just got a G4 pedal and looking for some new riffs to play. Thanks uncle Ben.
Dude you friggin rock!!! Love these videos on Van Halen riffs!!! Please more my dude 🤟🏼
Man I cannot get enough of this tone, it's absolutely banging (and the playing too, of course)
I LOVE YOUR VAN HALEN STUFF BEN! Thank you, thank you!
Glad you like them!
I think that funky “I wanna be your lover “ riff probably came from Gene Simmons
This is absolutely fantastic!! Thank you for playing these lesser know bad ass riffs!!!
so cool that some of these riffs got used in 'a different kind of truth' also UNCLE BEN! your gtr sounds AWESOME
Thanks!
Would love to see you do some early solo breakdowns. I see so many instructionals on the running with the devil solo that are incorrect. Anything from the first four records.
Will do!
I haven't had time to read all the comments, so I might be repeating .... But, I believe that Gene flew the out to New York to record the Demos and I think I remember Eddie saying that because Gene produced it ..., it sounded more like a KISS record than he would have liked .... I'm guessing that it was guitar straight to Marshall w/ none of the "tricks" that he used on VH I & VH II ....
And I have to wonder that "if" he'd have used his typical rig at that time, how many of those riffs might have become hits ? They certainly sound WAY different when you use the VH I tone to play them !
GREAT JOB !
Thanks, Ben! This is terrific! I’ve been thinking a lot about Eddie lately, especially after Andy made his own video on building that killer wet/dry pedalboard, and with the videos you’ve been putting up. I hope we never stop talking about the GOAT.
Can’t wait to dig into these amazing riffs!
Hands down my favorite is Big Trouble! Always loved that riff and song. They finally released a version of it on a Different Kind of Truth under the name Big River. Good stuff!!! EVH for Life!!!
Awesome man. Holy crap that Marshall sounds amazing - modelers/profilers are cool but nothing like playing through a non MV Marshall circuit.
Can’t resist saying also that guitar is just crazy unique. Love it
Excellent stuff Ben. Those demos are badass. I think a couple of these riffs or bits of them popped up on A Different Kind Of Truth?
Yeah! She’s the Woman and several others made it on there!
We Die Bold riff is sick, do a follow up video on the others
My brother was up for Thanksgiving with his new Jackson bass guitar and Ampeg BA-110 practice amp, and I played the Ted Templeman demos off UA-cam here for him. And he keyed in on "We Die Bold" as quickly as I did the first time I heard the demos. And we were both like "YEP! THAT'S a VAN HALEN tune, and an EDWARD-Riff no doubt!" It has that 'raw, early Van Halen' sound to it because it WAS raw, early Van Halen. And we 'winged' the song as best we could, from memory, the following morning, so he could record us to let this gal he wants as a singer get an idea of what she'd be getting into with a couple of '50-plus' year old, '70s/80s'-style rock players. It's simple, but has to be played 'right' in order to achoeve the 'tone'. Eddie said it best: "A lot of the tone I get comes from my hands & fingers." You gotta REALLY strangle the strings & neck on the guitar mostly, to get the 'sound' he was getting. Learned that fact early on, doing AC/DC songs. Eddoe also said "If it 'sounds' good, then it 'is' good." So, 'syncopated' picking on rythym parts is something you'd hear him do, and he never talked about "All down strokes or up strokes". Your 'ears' will tell you if you're playing it right or not. Ear development at an early age was a Blessing I thank God for my Dad being a Pro-Level Pedal Steel player for, every time I pick up and play. And I thank God He gave us all Eddie Van Halen also, for 65 years. Simply put.
I remember listening to that demo with my friend Pete. It was right after "A Different Kind of Truth" came out, and I remember being surprised that at least half of the dozen or so songs we listened to ended up on that final record. Pete hadn't heard their new record yet, so we listened to it after the demo. Ol' Pete was a huge Van Halen fan. He even built his own (more insane) version of the Frankenstrat, which he called "The Beast."
I know someone else already mentioned a couple of these being on A Different Kind Of Truth. Let’s Get Rockin’ became Outta Space and when I picked up the CD I had to learn that song immediately. I got it the same as you, with the A, F# and C. Killer riff. The verse riff was pretty cool too on the new version.
The cash register lol I’m dying 😂 too true
If you do pickup reviews it would be cool to hear the Duncan '78
Missed a good tapping part from you in the shred collab video! You kept it classy
Uncle Ben playing Van Halen 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Please do Down in flames!such an amazing song and that use of the flanger in the song,make my arm hair stand up lol
The tone you have going here is incredible 😮 it has that wild untamed Eddie sound. Love the riffs and I'm also currently on a major VH kick. 🤘
A ton of those riffs ended up on A Different Kind of Truth, which is an amazing album and belongs on the top shelf.
Was gonna say the same..good ear
Yep, there are a lot of Zero riffs in ADKOT.
They were in NY playing through Kiss’s equipment for the demos which is why the amp tones are sort of pedestrian. Still sounds great though
UNCLE BEN!!!!!…. I was just using your vid to work out “Just like Paradise”….it’s killing me😎
Awesome, can i suggest "Glitter" and "Act like it hurts" Great playing!
Van Halen is such a kick ass guitarist. At one point in time, I read a quote by Van Halen that said "I learned every Eric Clapton song to get this good" and I thought if I learned all of Van Halen's songs, I'd be godlike on guitar. Learned a few, but I kinda dropped guitar for a while. I've been on the grind lately so I don't sound like a step dad and need to start practicing more Eddie riffs.
Also, I think Hang Em High is my favorite song by them, but it's easily one of the hardest riffs I've ever attempted. If I ever got a gig and they, I would have to fake the main riff. I know you did a whole video on it (which reminded me why I'll probably never learn the song correctly)
Hey dude! Thx 4 the EPIC VH share! Love the crunchy tones on this! Maybe you could do the VH tribute w/Sammy n take Satch's place! Lol! 🤟🔥
Look up the video Ted Templeman Van Halen sessions!! It’s basically a 38 minute van halen album before Van Halen 1. It’s the same coolness as van halen zero because there’s riffs and songs that are from other songs like let’s get this show on the road (romeo delight) ect. But there’s a lot of good tunes that never got made
Maybe Ed played Ace's gear for that Gene demo. Sure sounds like a Les Paul to me. We Die Bold and Woman In Love are my favorite demos.
Hey, Unc, top of the morn. Never too early to catch you playing some VH for the masses. Peace.
Some tasty licks right there. Love your channel Ben. My playing has improved using your technique lessons. TY.
Awesome stuff Uncle Ben , thank you .
Big Trouble sounds Caress of Steel-esque Rush-ish influenced to me at first blush.
That intro lick for "Big Trouble" would work well as an intro to Cathedral. Great video as always!
This is like EVH University.
I’d love to hear your rendition of Down in Flames.
RE the tone. It shows what Templeman did - especially on the first album.
Man this is good! Is there any way you can do a video covering the rest of the parts in these songs?
Pray to the guitar Gods that somrone will release the Eddie Noodles Tapes. We will have minds blown fo sho!
We Die Bold is I think THE song the band should have kept the most for an album. Killer riff & melody.
The reason his upstrokes were so intense was Because of what Troy Grady refers to as reverse dart thrower pic grip. Check it out.
Awesome video as usual
I've been really enjoyinmg hearing some of the archived stuff. On one they're just working out 'Dance the Night Away'. Just Gold.
Ben, do you think with Gene Simmons being a creative bassist that he perhaps supported Mike playing actively rather than the simpler lines that appeared on the debut album?
ben, on that last song you played, it is identical to Outta Space off A Different Kind of Truth, that might help
Ben, thanks for these. So many VH treasures out there. If you can in the future, can you deep dive on 2 VH unreleased songs, "We die bold" and, "Light in the sky"? Note: Not light up the sky. ;) Again, thank you for keep the VH torch lit and teaching the awesomeness that was, Edward Van Halen.
We need a part two of this video for the other stuff on the demos
The "cookie monster voice" is definitely from Gene Simmons. It's heard on a few KISS songs.
Ben; I am so glad you did this. Those demo's have some killer riffs and killer tunes. The alternative versions of House Of Pain and others are killer also. My favorite solo from those demo's would be Big Trouble. What an awesome solo. Plus the break down before the solo.
I will say a part 2 of the solo's from those demo's would be awesome. Big Trouble, Get The Show On The Road, etc. Maybe your favorite licks from those solo's?
Super cool. Love when you talk Van Halen ❤
I can ALWAYS talk about the KING!
@@BenEllerI mean i love when you talk AND PLAY Van Halen, of course 😉
Eddie mentioned he wanted to remix and release the Warner Brothers demos. That would have been awesome!