To repeat what main bad guy in climactic movie appearance said. "I know what it's like to feel so desperately that you're right yet to fail none the less."
excuse me did Vox just say that spiderman homecoming was the only film that acknowledged the effects of superheroes on the world, did they not even WATCH CIVIL WAR
Why should they?? I mean its for nErdsSS. Sarcasm btw. Iam a proud nerd. Just saying that it could be their thought process. They only criticize mcu cause criticizing popular stuff without proper argument is seen as "cool" i guess
I think what the vox people were trying to say was that they want a cinematic universe where everything is more accounted for, down to the the details affecting regular people - but the Mcu focuses too much on the just the heroes - I don’t think this is true, because superhero movies work best when superheroes are mostly the only things different about the world, and the general public IS affected, especially if you incorporate the tv shows
What are you talking about? The X-Men continuity is great. What? You still don't understand how characters refuse to age at all in the span of 20 years? You still don't understand how Sabretooth somehow doesn't remember that Wolverine is his BROTHER in the first X-Men movie?! You don't understand how Professor X ended up alive in Days of Future Past, despite being killed off in X-Men 3? How Wolverine inexplicably got the metal back in his body? Where Logan and Deadpool take place in the X-Men timeline? Shame on you.
To answer some of those things, Charles survives because he entered a different body, which you can see post credits. It's never said that Sabretooth doesn't remember who Logan is. But in the first movie he isn't much of a character. Logan got his Adamantium back because DOFP took place before the events of Origins and Apocalypse confirmed that the weapon X program still happened.
@nexusshark Logan lost his Adamantium in that one Wolverine spin off movie. The one where he goes to Japan. That's what SymbiSpidey was referring to. And that one isn't explained.
9:14 "Mutants or humans" Really? The point of the X-men is that this is NOT binary choice. Only the Brotherhood thinks like that. The X-Men want to coexist.
To quote from the 90s Animated Series: Trask: "You were designed to protect humans from mutants." Master Mold: "That is not logical. Mutants ARE human. Therefore, humans must be protected from themselves."
I think guys like Vox just have trouble with the idea of a fictional universe in general. Punisher can exist in the same universe as Spiderman because the world is vast enough to allow nuance. Like our own world conflicts can arise that other people aren't and may never be aware of because the universe doesn't occupy a small town where everyone knows and talks to eachother.
Mmhm, these characters don't live in the same area and they have different problems to deal with. Why would Iron Man show up to help Daredevil find evidence to prove Fisk is evil when he's already dealing with people trying to steal his tech and kill him? Why would Hulk be helping Cap chase down his former buddy? Hulk is hard to control and likely has other shit going on where he can't just be on speed dial when Cap needs some muscle. Just like the real world, big shit can happen in one place that doesn't effect people in another. I only hear about a major shooting when I happen upon an article or someone I know tells me, otherwise such a major event would never be known to me and I occupy the same universe as it, I think its reasonable that the MCU follows the same logic.
Yeah I love to call this the "RDJ rule", it goes : I live in the same universe as RDJ, I know him but I've never met him, he doesn't even know me...so until I meet RDJ, all connected fictional universe where characters don't constantly run into each other will get a pass from me! or I'd be forced to acknowledge that continuity is broken in the real world!
@@NoorAhmed-nk2jq What a weird world that would be. What if we all could just take for granted that we could meet and talk to famous people or people related to our interests just whenever.
@@NoorAhmed-nk2jq What if RDJ is actually your 3rd cousin once removed and you eventually meet up and go on all types of wacky adventures until you get your own sitcom? What will you do then
@@Kdot6_16 I agee to you agreeing with someone that agreed with someone that agreed with an agreement made by someone that agreed with someone's sentiment. phew
Same, same... But at least he did not try and make the point that Hawkeye (or Widow) is the least useful of the Avengers because he doesn't have superpowers. Which we have seen other people do *cough* CinemaSins *cough*.
@@lexwolfhale1729 Eh, they still haven't given Hawkeye or, to a lesser extent, Widow enough to do, so it is understandable that some would find them to be the 'least useful' Avengers. Not the characters fault, its the writers'. At least Widow has some appeal, but I can't imagine some kid walking out of the movies wanting to be like Hawkeye. Maybe he will get more to do in Endgame...
Dude Hawkeye has turned into the new Aquaman. Remember the old, unfunny joke about Aquaman talking to fish?? It's the same with Hawkeye, everybody keeps making the joke that Hawkeye is just a dude with a bow and arrow and honestly it's so unfunny and bland at this point. Clint is a pretty funny and decent character and can hold his own in battle the same as Natasha. In fact I really think he should be getting a movie instead of Natasha; we've already seen soooo much of Black Widow and she's really not got much character other than "sexy sassy dangerous chick" (if the MCU can find a way to actually give her character in her movie then props to them though) and Clint has an actual struggle that has yet to really be focused on. I think it'd be interesting to see a movie (sometime inbetween civil war and infinity war) about his decision between his family and the Avengers, and maybe we could see more if how his superhero-lifestyle affects his family. But that's just me lol. I love Clint a lot, especially in the comics
Why would DC fans want to do that? Whenever I see them talk about the mcu they just say it's boring kid stuff whereas Batman V Superman(or whatever the latest movie is) is for intellectuals and adults.
@@yuungi9391 I'm not that's the sort of thing I read when BvS was out. They said people didn't like it because it didn't spoon feed it's message to people.
@@yuungi9391 also I forgot to mention the conspiracy theories about reviewers being paid off to give disney and marvel good reviews and to give dc bad reviews.
He’s saying that the X-Men universe is a shared universe, but it wasn’t until Deadpool. Until then, they were just sequels and Wolverine spin offs. For it to be a cinematic universe it needs to have separate franchises that come together, not the other way around. Of course they’re universe is more intact, because it’s the same storyline.
Is Deadpool even in the same continuity? Deadpool’s Colossus is Russian, but the Colossus in X-Men movies isn’t. So, they aren’t the same person. And yeah, it’s really annoying when people abuse the term “shared universe” by applying it to a series of sequels
Even with them all being the same storyline, there's still somehow continuity issues out the wazoo. Nobody even knows if Deadpool actually takes place in the same universe because the X-Men timeline is so botched.
*"Is Deadpool even in the same continuity?"* Well, we do see the X-Men Dark Phoenix team in Deadpool 2, but that's not 100% proof that they're both in the same universe. (Although if we see the same scene from the X-Men side, then that *will* confirm a shared continuity.)
Also, what did they expect other than just small Easter eggs? That's how the world works and actually gives it MORE continuity. Banner is a famous scientist, so of course he'd have his picture up along other famous scientists. If anything this makes the world feel more fleshed out and lived in. Like, you know, the real world... I understand that superhero conflicts is a lot bigger than normal human conflict, but when something bad happens in one place, the entire world doesn't go to aid. Like two countries going to war doesn't mean WW3. And something that IS big enough to be like a World War, they DO get together. Avengers(1-3) and Civil War.
Also, in the real world we don't constantly reference people, even famous people all the time. Do people (other than the shmucks at ESPN) talk constantly about Lebron James or Kawhi Leonard? Not really. Even people who are in the news are not always talked about by everyone because life doesn't work that way, we have other things to deal with. It's like saying a reference to Bruce Banner in science class isn't enough to "flesh out the universe" as if that actually means anything. The fact is that they are fleshing things out by having references to the various Avengers. Just going off Spiderman: Homecoming alone it's not an argument that holds up. Peter goes to science class where Bruce Banner's picture is on the wall. His gym class is using a series of PSA/after school special type videos that involve Captain America. He talks with Iron Mans assistant on the phone. His nemesis in the film is created by the actions of Tony Stark and the aftermath of the original Avengers movie. The idea that the Avengers aren't really a part of this universe is ludicrous, because one movie alone dispels the notion. The same is true of Antman when he thinks he's going to an empty Stark warehouse and it's the New Avengers HQ. And who does Antman meet there? None other than Falcon. The events of Age of Ultron draw the Wakandans out of Wakanda, which leads to the involvement of T'Chaka and T'Challa, which leads into the events of Black Panther, and so on and so forth. Also, the various Avengers aren't all together all the time and they do have their own lives and affairs. Steve Rogers is busy trying to find Bucky and deal with the fallout from Hydra. Tony has a business to run and is busy dealing with the ramifications of his own actions. Thor has to go back to Asgard and deal with Loki, Dr. Strange has all kinds of crazy stuff going on. Peter has school, the list goes on. It's an argument that doesn't really hold up when you think about it, which is why it's just clickbait.
That last bit made me wonder if this was made recently No, no it wasn't I just found it interesting lol But I 100% agree (with the comment made 3 years ago shh)
he's trying to discredit references by saying that because these unrelated shows have references the references in the MCU are meaningless. it's a nonsense argument but that's what he's trying to do
Did Vox even do the most basic of research for this video? The X-Men movies were pretty much stand alone, because Fox only owned the movie rights to X-Men. They literally _could not_ include any other Marvel characters, because they didn't own the movie rights to them. And Captain America: The First Avenger was set in the '40's! Howard Stark has been in the business since at least then! How does this not count as generational?
You can tell that Vox did no research whatsoever for that video. In fact if they did, then their whole thesis would have been invalid. So its like they went ahead with the video under the influence of complete ignorance.
wait.... we're they saying that the conflict in Civil War was sudden...? DID YOU NOT WATCH AVENGERS 1 AND 2???? Literally in Avengers 1 at the end when people are being interviewed on the news some say that the Avengers should be held accountable for destroying the city. Civil War's conflict is 1000000% influenced by Age of Ultron. It's not like the Sacovia (no idea if i'm spelling that right) Accords were what so ever set up by the events that happened in Sacovia... THAT WAS IN AN EARLIER MOVIE!!! Even in personality traits Stark and Rogers can halfway be seen fitting into the roles.... Civil War had been built up from AT LEAST Avengers 1.... It's not like BOOM SUDDEN PLOT POINT.
I do like though that Civil War was about holding the heroes accountable for destroying cities when the entire end of the first Avengers movie was Iron Man stopping a US nuke from blowing up New York City and killing millions of Americans. Yeah, people have died on the Avengers missions and they should be accountable for Ultron since they caused that, but if they never existed, the government would have just blown up one of the largest cities in the world with a nuke that would surely have a large fallout killing people who didn’t even live in the city and weren’t in direct threat from the aliens in the first place. America sucks in these movies
@@NotAustinV I mean, this IS the government you're talking about. Why would they take responsibility for any of their actions when there are nice juicy scapegoats with powers that would naturally make the world cautious?
"Overrated" I hate that people keep saying this because it's such a non-criticism. If something gets a lot of attention and praise, the creators of it did their job. As far as they're concerned, "too many people think it's good" is never a bad thing. Just get over yourself. No one likes a hipster.
Mmhm, this argument essentially boils down to "I don't like it, so it shouldn't be popular." Like I myself find Batman to be a bit overrated but that's literally only my opinion and I understand what people love about it, some of it even I love. I wouldn't make a whole video to explain why his popularity isn't deserved because it is, I merely am more fond of other things and that's fine.
Not quite. Saying something is overrated doesn't mean that it's too popular. That may be how some people use it, but that's not what it means. What the word means is hat something isn't as good as a majority of people think, or literally, that it's rated too highly. For example, if someone thinks it's ridiculous that there are so many people that are so passionate about sports, then they would say that sports are overrated. Conversely, if someone thinks that something is better than most people think, then they would say that it's underrated, or literally, rated too lowly.
@@inkmaster5480 Yeah, and I get all that. And it's fine if that's someone's opinion. It's just that most people I'm talking about use it as their solitary complaint with little to no elaboration on why they feel it's not as good as the majority says it is, and are more just annoyed with the overexposure or fanbase than the product itself.
The vox video’s argument boiled down to, “its popular and well loved so I hate it.” Which is fine, but I just hate how they use it as a definitive. Captain Midnight (I think that’s his name) also pointed out that Vox conflated a “universe” with a “cross-over episode” which is lazy research on behalf of everyone involved. The MCU is one of a kind, it’s a whole universe in which each of these movies and shows interact and have effects on one another. It’s essentially an AU where superheroes, magic, science and Wakanda exist. I think it boils down to vox saying they’re tired of the MCU and that’s a fair assertion, but it’s just an opinion, it’s not a fact.
God, you remind me of the horror that this video got to number two on trending when it basically says nothing. Clickbait in its purest form Edit: That sassy exit ;)
Ey, would you look at that, I literally just started your Last Jedi review. So far I'm really enjoying your presentation style, and I'm in full agreement with your points about the world building.
Ahh cool, let me know what you think when you get through it, even if its 2020 by then. Defo trying to bump up the quality in the TFA focused one on its way.
@@rhuanhollands But the wrong kind in this scenario. Sarcasm is applied to a snide sentence or two but isn't applied to a full skit like it would be here, in that case you would just call it satire, not sarcasm.
The music at the end of the Vox video felt really pretentious to me. As in he was trying to make what he was saying sound more accurate by playing slow sad music.
And Iron Man 3 is literally all about Tony Stark having PTSD because of what happened in The Avengers. And the inciting incident of Captain America: Civil War was people being mad about Age of Ultron. Did these people do ANY plot analysis? Did they even watch the movies?
@@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 yup. Civil war was influenced by the first 2 Avengers films as well as Winter Soldier. Without that one Cap would be on the governments side, Bucky wouldn't have been there in civil war and cap wouldn't have known he killed Tony's parents. Zemo wouldn't have been angry at the Avengers, the government and people wouldn't have much reason to enforce guidelines on them if the first 2 movies didn't happen. They might have won in Infinity War if they were together, but divided they fell. Vulture wouldn't have any motivation to be a villain without Avengers 1, Mysterio wouldn't be there if it weren't for Stark.
Here’s a list of every influence past marvel movies had on Spider-Man big and small. Spider-Man’s motivation Spider-Man’s suit Villain’s motivation Villain’s suit Bank robbers costumes Bank robbers weapons (guess they forgot) Happy Hogan being the spider nanny Spider-Man being saved twice by Iron Man The trigger for one of the big set pieces (the alien grenade) The Captain America PSA videos Spider-Man’s teacher being in Incredible Hulk (that one was more ironic but still) The final fight is literally in a Stark plane full of the Avengers’ sh*t
I find the constant videos proclaiming the MCU to be "empty" or "overrated" so annoying. It's clear they only exist because Marvel is the biggest franchise on the planet and controversy= clicks.
@@aryarizky222 There are good movies in Fox’s X-men universe, but there are soo many duds that their universe does not hold up when compared to the MCU
Did he say it was a bad thing that you could put basically anyone into the MCU and no one would notice and then say Spiderman Homecoming presenting us with a universe anyone could be a part of as a good thing? Because I think they did.
anyone (so long as their story and powers are consistent with the rules established by the MCU). Star Wars wouldn't fit because it supposedly takes place "a long time ago", unlike the MCU which takes place in the present, not too distant past, or not too distant future (depending on the film), and has humans living away from earth, in another galaxy, and they have faster than light travel, which the MCU doesn't. So another part of that point is invalid too.
@@TSDTalks22 They actually make it explicitly clear in Captain Marvel that light speed travel doesn't exist yet, what they use instead, and what I think you are referring to, are "jump points" which presumably are akin to (maybe artificially created) wormholes, in that they can take you from one part of space to another, but the drawback of them is that they can't take you anywhere you want to go like true faster than light travel.
Wait he’s using the X men universe as an example for a universe with better continuity?? What in the actual f*ck!? I love me some x men and I even more love me some mcu, but I even admit that the x men continuinty makes no sense and is literally all over the place
matt Murdock i love box but i saw the thumbnail and refused to watch it, i’ve seen enough anti marvel stuff to be able to guess every point their going to make
I'd say Guardians of the Galaxy, which is more of a comedic sci-fi adventure, has quite a different tone to something like The Winter Soldier which is more of a spy thriller which just so happens to have Captain America in it. They're both fine movies and have shockingly different tones, and both are in the MCU.
The Last Jedi comes out: The internet spends the next 4 months shitting on it. Infinity War comes out: The internet spends the next 4 months comparing the apparently hollow, cash-in state of the Star Wars franchise to the ungodly amazing quality of the MCU. Infinity War comes out in DVD: The internet spends the next 4 months shitting on the MCU for apparently always being a hollow cash-in. So... all major movie franchises are shit now and I'm not allowed to enjoy anything? Have I got that right?
szeax Yes really. Everyone is so toxic about what movies you're allowed to enjoy, mixing in stupid arguments like feminist propaganda whenever there's a strong woman on screen. While on average men are born with a certain percentage more body strength than the average woman, that doesn't mean that a women can't be strong. Most of my weight is fat and not muscle, put me up against a female boxer who is trained for physical fitness and I guarantee she'd win a fight. That's just one aspect of the SJW argument that critics use stupidly. Everyone's allowed their own opinion, what I hate is when toxic people use that opinion to berate the opinions of others and hate them for liking something.
@@LAZYNOOB-jf1oq Nice Strawman. People complain about "strong female characters" is because they have weak personalities and little motivation, not because they are physically capable.
I actually did watch this Vox video, and while usually they're pretty on point, I had completely forgotten what the video was about until you got to the silly St Elsewhere theory bit, and then I remembered why I forgot the video.
@@NotHPotter its still a pathetic "news" channel which loves presenting badly researched stuff as "facts" and misleading viewers. I do love their videos about music, infrastructure and stuff like that.
Woah. You have a Captain Underpants book. That reminds me that Jeremy still hasn't done Everything Wrong With Captain Underpants: The First Epic Movie, so I can't request EWW EWW Captain Underpants: The First Epic Movie...
No decade jumping in the MCU? CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE FIRST AVENGER TAKES PLACE IN THE 1940S BEFORE ITS FINAL SCENE IN MODERN DAY. THE OPENING SCENES OF ANT-MAN AND GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY TAKE PLACE IN THE 1980S. TONY STARK RECREATES CHRISTMAS 1990 IN A SIMULATION IN CIVIL WAR. And that’s all before the example you brought up that is Captain Marvel. GOTG2’s opening scene takes place during Ego’s courtship of Peter’s mother, which was probably the 1970s. Also, season 5 of Agents of SHIELD has the team taken NINETY YEARS IN THE FUTURE for half the season before taken back into modern day
And now in WandaVision, each episode is a new decade 1950’s 60’s 70’s 2020’s 80’s 90’s and 2000’s Sure it’s not time, it’s style, but in the hex it is. Except episode 4, that’s outside the hex.
umm, I doubt this individual has seen any of the captain America movies which were consequential before he actually made this vid and here's why: in CA:TFA, the time period was during WW2 which was actually impactful because without captain America then hydra, a rogue branch of the Nazis, would have bombed the hell out of the eastern seaboard as well as taking America out of the fight in ww2. in CA:TWS, this movie was extremely important because S.H.I.E.L.D., the organization that held the avengers legally was compromised and thus SHIELD was shut down due to it. which then negatively impacted the avengers in civil war. in CA:CW, this movie then split the avengers due to MASSIVE destruction with powerful individuals with no jurisdiction then has cap and the siding individuals be against each other. meaning that since the avengers have split, the universe of the mcu will be then compromised by you know who. he only made one valid point, but yet skips over other movies to just justify his motive.
with most of these MCU criticism videos, while I always disagree, I can at least usually see where they're coming from. but with this one, not only did I disagree, not only did I think he made invalid points, I genuinely didn't know why he thinks the way he thinks. my reaction after watching this video was "wait, what?"
I always like bringing that up with myself whenever I watch the movie. Of course, they'll have to do something about the stones if they want to beat him, even as a team, because as of right now, he could snap them out of existence if they made a move. I'm wondering what's going to happen with Tony and Nebula though, both of them are stranded on Titan after the battle. After the Snap, Tony seemed trapped with his head in his hands and I'm thinking there will be multiple scenes throughout the movie showing him not moving much and making small conversation with Nebula. I'm thinking that Nebula will suggest a way off of the planet around halfway into the movie when they are building up to the last fight. What would you want to happen in those Nebula and Tony scenes? Assuming they don't just leave right away, or would you rather have that?
@@LAZYNOOB-jf1oq Well, they're certainly not waiting till half the movie to get Tony off of Titan that is for sure. Definitely skipping it or getting it done in the first act. I'd love for those scenes to start with Tony being quiet and distant at first but eventually they both just start talking candidly about loss and become close on their way to earth. (The Guardians ship the Benatar is still there)
As a huge fan of Agents of Shield, I maintian that it does a lot of what the Vox video was suggesting should be done, sure it's not perfect, but you can't have a transformed universe without giving some focus to the everyday people, yeah that kid was chosing between toys, but what the video doesn't tell you is that the father oof that kid was experimented on by people who wanted to replicate the super soldier experiment, the mcu is a transformed universe because it's history and science has evolved to reflect the existance of superheros, not because it has cameos or because they all share one story line/ conflict like the x-men.
@@zingzaber6989 The show is close to perfect, the connected universe is what I was referring to, logistically it's very hard for the show to keep up with the movies and vice versa, but it does a great job regardless!
Says Easter eggs like Bruce Banner's picture in a high-school, then says the damage control in the same movie is ground breaking, BOI WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING
Because of the villain. His whole evil motivation was "sempai didn't notice me". The bait and switch at the end with the villain was also awful. Why does every Iron Man movie need an angry rich guy who's basically the evil Tony Stark as the villain? You know, looking back on it, the Iron Man movies have had the weakest story lines, save maybe the first one which had a really strong 2/3rds, it just fell apart at the end with a really lame "boss battle". But Robert Downey is so good at what he does, he makes them entertaining. Without his charisma, people would be a lot more critical as somehow the Iron Man movies are some of the worst of the MCU in terms of writing, villains, and plot.
I'm a die-hard MCU fan( not a fanboy) But I like to watch others criticize it to know their opinions and I mostly respect them but Vox's video was confusimg and didn't have any focus the only valid criticism it had was 1 minute saying MCU are set ups just that The rest was history lesson to show itself cool and smart
Comparing the X-Men and Marvel universes is so dumb like mutants have been arounf for EONS and from Iron Man to Homecoming like,,, 12 years have passed?? Of course things are different. Maybe wait a couple decades mate.
Vox’s video feels like an essay written by a high schooler for a class he’s been skipping all year, the night before the deadline. I’m not one of those people who unsubscribe from channels because of one video they disagree with but I don’t think I can ever trust their opinion again.
@@TruffleSeeker54 the only stake i can name thats bigger than infinity war's ending is spider-man: ffh's ending where peter's identity is not only revealed, but also accused as a criminal, but half the universe being dead is a pretty big stake ngl.
I'm currently at 7:51 as I had to pause the video and type this comment. He just said X-MEN did a better job at continuity. Excuse me what? Is that guy from a parallel universe where continuity means something different? X-MEN is the biggest continuity mess ever.
i think he was trying to argue that if a character that's never seen or mentioned before and was placed in a poster, no one would notice as there are so many mcu characters or some bs like that. Seriously though, if that man has that much trouble remembering 20+ characters on-screen, he probably shouldn't be dissing what he does not understand
@@zorex. right. Obviously people would care, even not knowing that aqua man was DC, people would look at him and think "huh, why the hell have I never been given this character's background?", at least they would if they have seen all the MCU films and TV shows, which, given that he made this point, I doubt Vox has.
Homecoming: shows the effect of scifi tech getting into the hands of modern day criminals due to Avengers battles and such Vox: the movies aren't integrated well
Okay let's do what Vox did to the MCU but to X-Men. In the MCU you'd need to decide whether you stand with Stark and that enhanced individuals should be monitored by the government because even heroes like the Avengers cause trouble, or, if you stand with Captain America on whether you think that heroes aren't necessarily responsible for the damage that super villains cause (I haven't actually seen Civil War). In the X-Men universe, you just need to decide if do or do not like a person based on their powers. See? I can oversimplify things for my needs too Vox.
Also, the point of X-Men is that they want to coexist with humans and that saying "humans and mutants" is basically like saying "humans and blacks." It's not supposed to be a battle.
I had mixed feelings about Spider-Man: homecoming when it first dropped. On one hand, the spidey purist in me was pissed that Iron Man was spidey’s mentor, because the whole deal with Spider-Man is him figuring it out on his own and being his own person. Having stark baby him was insulting lol Granted once I watched the movie I changed my mind a bit. But the big point I loved in Homecoming was how well the movie showed the ramifications of the Avengers existence in both a nuanced and plot dependent way. The connection to the MCU made Vulture super believable, and obviously people are dressing as avengers in this universe. To me it helped establish the peripheral world building of the MCU without detracting from the development of a good and fully fleshed out story. Like you don’t need to watch the other MCU movies but it really adds depth to the franchise as a whole. You can enjoy this as a teen comedy, or a part of a much larger universe, because it is both. TL;DR Vox is stupid. Homecoming was amazing.
A universe with settings in the 1000's, WW2, the 80s, a film coming up in the 90s, and modern day.....DOESNT DECADE JUMP? Dost thou even watch the films Vox?
WTF are this points against marvel!? Don't even make sense...i'm a DC fan and i don't find something wrong with marvel... Except some movies (captain marvel,thor the dark world)
jeb _ hey there! I haven’t met a dc fan who isn’t toxic, rude or blind in a while. Thanks for your positive comments about MCU even though you are a dc fan. And I agree cap marvel, Thor 2 are pretty awful too
Pretty sure Marvel would be quite surprised if Disney tried a Star Wars/Marvel crossover - last I checked, Marvel still has the "NO CROSSOVERS!" clause in the contract...
This has literally been a shared universe since Captain America: The First Avenger. I guess it is easy to look over Howard Stark as a character. It's not like he was an accomplished pilot, engineer, inventor, and scientist. It's not like his character effected the entire fabric of the film at all. All in all, he was pretty forgettable. I even had to google his name to make sure I had it right.
You have a very good narration/voiceover voice! Your inflections and tone are engaging and your words are clear and concise. Overall, it's fun and interesting to listen to your (very good) points.
The fact that Vox thought Fox's X-Men... the least faithful film adaptation of any source material ever... and yes I'm counting the Resident Evil films in that assessment, was in any shape form or fashion better than anything the mcu has made caused me to turn their video off.
you know the universe sucked when their biggest success are movies that either didn't need to be in it to be loved, or a movie that was loved because it gave an ending to the character they forced down our throats as the main one.
i have to laugh. i had never watched mcu movies, but i love spider-man as a character, so some time ago i binge watched all spider-man movies, from raimi trilogy up to homecoming. loved mcu's spidey and then forgot about it. until november of 2018, when i decided to check out spidey in infinity war, so i had to binge watch all of mcu. and when i was watching homecoming again, my mind was blown up. everything makes so much sense now! i still understood plot of homecoming when i was unfamiliar with the universe, but it's completely different experience. and its the beauty of mcu.
I just gotta say something about your star wars reference, and that is that since star wars takes place in a galaxy far far away, why can't it be the same universe as the marvel characters. I mean it could be possible, not that it is but it could be true
the actual events of Star Wars could never take place in the MCU because it's referenced as a TV show, unless Marvel/Disney want to imply that events from a distant galaxy somehow influenced Terran pop culture in the 70s.
You have become such a master of this kind of this kind of defending things from these sorts of flawed arguments, that I almost feel Cinema Sins is beneath you now. I think you should focus entirely on these sort of videos. The ones that are all well edited and clearly have a lot of production value, to create the illusion that they actually know what they are talking about. It's funny how they always have these titles like "why x is the worst". I was thinking of making a spoof called something like "why cheese is the worst". I even had part of a script written. But I don't think my production value could do the pretentious nature of these videos justice.
The MCU is like sowing. Sometimes, sowing can have rips, were the 2 thing don’t mix well. The MCU is neatly sown, at less usually. And the string used to sow them together, sows through multiple times, sometimes with little rips, but still put neatly. And the things you sow together are all made nicely, sometimes with extra parts(sequels) that can help it sow with other things. And that is why the MCU is putting other characters in other movies, is perfect 👌
From what I can ascertain, it seems like the Vox dude wants the MCU movies to feature the entire cast on a more regular basis, and to have a more central conflict that spans all of the movies, which should also be "mature" and "deep". Yeah, that would suck, because it's the MCU's variety of characters and stories that have allowed the franchise to have 20 movies in 10 years and still be a huge success. Comparing the MCU to the X-Men is a fucking terrible comparison, because in the scope of Marvel, the X-Men movies are ONE property, while the MCU cover several (I count 10 as of now, Iron Man, Incredible Hulk, Thor, Captain America, Avengers, Guardians, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, Spider-Man, Black Panther). In comic book terms, asking the MCU to have a more streamlined and centralized story is asking Marvel to print 6 different comic books that all tell the same story. That would be shit.
Vox: "The MCU is bad because it's only interconnected by cosmetic Easter Eggs and doesn't experiment in tone or genre." Also Vox: "The MCU is bad because it's a messy hodge-podge of poorly interconnected characters, tones and settings." Uh... what's the thesis here?
Which is odd, you would think they would just parrot the same meme complaints people have made. Or selectively ignore plot points and pretend the movie didn't go over them again...or both. Or maybe they actually believe Thanos is right and his plan makes sense and they think it's a good movie for that alone, they seem gullible enough.
I would actually argue Iron Man 3 is the only film were the "where is SHIELD and/or the other Avengers?" applies. Thor: The Dark World had the action that did take place on Earth end rather quickly and ditto for Guardians Of The Galaxy Volume 2. Captain America: The Winter Soldier made it clear that HYDRA was keeping tabs on the other avengers hence Steve and Natasha go to Sam for help since he is affiliated with neither. Ant-Man and the Wasp had Scott on house arrest and Hank and Hope on the run so they could call for help, plus the clip from the first he dubs a "heavy handed excuse". Finally Doctor Strange had most of the action take place in other dimensions where the outside world could see what was going on.
I haven't watched Cival War in a long time but wasn't it revealed near the end of the movie that Bucky killed Tony's parents or something? Is that not a massive generational plot development? Maybe I dreamed that...
That "kid in agents of shield" also has his father torn away from him mere seconds after the shot they show, but I guess that doesn't "change him" the way vox wants it to.
Yeah I still haven't figured out what the points the Vox video is trying to make actually are and how anything it says relates to those points. I guess he...liked Homecoming? But did he actually see it? And I'm not sure if he likes how MUCH it's connected to the MCU or how little, it's just a bunch of nonsense. Have any of these takedown videos actually said anything substantive beyond the obvious fact that the movies aren't all 100% uniformily excellent? It is such a weak point to call the MCU a soulless corporate cash grab. EVERYTHING is a cash grab, but this a fantastically successful corporate cash grab that seemed impossible ten years ago and that no one has come close to replicating yet and ranks as landmark achievement in the history of film...of art in general!
I agree whole heartidly with your comment. This whole "Its a cash grab" argument is stupid because of course it is. Its a movie and Marvel and Disney are a business, what business doesn't try to make money? This argument is literally just saying "Marvel is trying to make money" Nooo...really!? Whodathunkit!? What do they expect instead, I am just really confused here. And yes, you are correct, they did something people didn't think could work because before the MCU, every super hero film was standalone, Spiderman was only Spiderman, Batman was only Batman but now every super hero Marvel and Disney have the rights to will more than likely exist in the same world. Its successful, it makes money, which is why the Dark Universe, the DC Cinematic Universe and the Godzilla Universe are being made, it works, so other companies want their piece of the pie. You can't argue that its not successful and you can't get bent out of shape that the thing that requires money, is trying to make money. Its a dumb argument.
I mean, there are things that are soulless corporate cash grabs, like the DCEU or the dark universe, but guess what... those films fail, and why is that? because they're soulless and people don't like soulless! I mean come on people, the MCU literally has something called the soul stone in it, how much more soul do you want?
The mcu is overrated? No . Titanic Avatar The dark knight are . Once again no , I don't like those movies, but it doesn't mean no one should or has a reason to -_- All mcu criticism is worthless through
Dude. When he said it's not a transformed universe, he probably meant that the MCU is like our modern world, with occasional heroes here and there. Which is totally not how the world would look if there were actual superheroes roaming around. The world barely acknowledges their existence. Better example would be The Boys, where they are integral parts of it, but fuck it, One Punch Man is even better.
Binging your videos while I’m sick and bored. Your voice is quite soothing, you don’t scream, and no crazy sound effects. My throbbing head thanks you. Also your sarcasm has a healing effect.
The Vox video was so PAINFULLY clickbait, a blatant attention grab to drum up some controversy that I ignored it. But it then turns out that their video has no point to make and is just a meandering mess? Interesting tactic, Vox.
I dont think you really adressed the core point of Vox: that the only reason all these characters share the same universe in the MCU is because they are all owned by Disney. There is no larger cohesive theme justifying why they all should be in the same universe. Sure, they can share the same universe, but they could just as easily be in different ones. And that makes all of the crossovers seem kind of hollow. You could easily exclude appearances (for example antman in civil war or captain marvel in endgame) and they wouldnt change the story, so obviously these crossovers arent story driven.
Captain America: The first avenger takes place during ww2 when he's fighting hydra and Captain America: The winter soldier takes place in modern day and it reveals that sheild is hydra... How is that not decade jumping?
I had a bad hair day filming this.
Your hair looks better than my future 😉
Your hair is fine.
Your hair still looks better than mine on a good hair day
Hmmmm that title seems familiar
I wasn’t even sure you had hair?!?!
Bucky killing Tony Starks dad, Howard, made it literally a generation long battle.
George o'callaghan It also “decade-jumped.”
Thank you
To repeat what someone commented on the original video
"To feel so desperately that you're right yet to fail none the less."
To repeat what main bad guy in climactic movie appearance said.
"I know what it's like to feel so desperately that you're right yet to fail none the less."
Or to use another quote from a property owned by Disney:
“Amazing. Every part of what you just said was wrong.”
Skere
@@biligbaatarusukhbayar7042 Did you do it?
@@biligbaatarusukhbayar7042 What did it cost?
excuse me did Vox just say that spiderman homecoming was the only film that acknowledged the effects of superheroes on the world, did they not even WATCH CIVIL WAR
Or iron man 2
Or any of the movies?
Based on the points they made, I'd say they didn't watch Civil War.
Why should they?? I mean its for nErdsSS.
Sarcasm btw. Iam a proud nerd. Just saying that it could be their thought process. They only criticize mcu cause criticizing popular stuff without proper argument is seen as "cool" i guess
I think what the vox people were trying to say was that they want a cinematic universe where everything is more accounted for, down to the the details affecting regular people - but the Mcu focuses too much on the just the heroes - I don’t think this is true, because superhero movies work best when superheroes are mostly the only things different about the world, and the general public IS affected, especially if you incorporate the tv shows
They complain about continuity in the universe and then use X-Men as a good example?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I was thinking the exact same thing
What are you talking about? The X-Men continuity is great.
What? You still don't understand how characters refuse to age at all in the span of 20 years? You still don't understand how Sabretooth somehow doesn't remember that Wolverine is his BROTHER in the first X-Men movie?! You don't understand how Professor X ended up alive in Days of Future Past, despite being killed off in X-Men 3? How Wolverine inexplicably got the metal back in his body? Where Logan and Deadpool take place in the X-Men timeline?
Shame on you.
To answer some of those things, Charles survives because he entered a different body, which you can see post credits. It's never said that Sabretooth doesn't remember who Logan is. But in the first movie he isn't much of a character. Logan got his Adamantium back because DOFP took place before the events of Origins and Apocalypse confirmed that the weapon X program still happened.
@nexusshark
Logan lost his Adamantium in that one Wolverine spin off movie. The one where he goes to Japan. That's what SymbiSpidey was referring to. And that one isn't explained.
He only lost his claws. There still was enough Adamantium in his body. And they had Magneto on their side. Put two and two together.
9:14 "Mutants or humans"
Really? The point of the X-men is that this is NOT binary choice. Only the Brotherhood thinks like that. The X-Men want to coexist.
Its Vox, they see everything as some kind of binary choice.
To quote from the 90s Animated Series:
Trask: "You were designed to protect humans from mutants."
Master Mold: "That is not logical. Mutants ARE human. Therefore, humans must be protected from themselves."
Well I imagine the 'Friends of Humanity'are also pretty rigid, but yeah point XD
@@mecham7011Except for Gender
@@mecham7011 Untrue… they don't think gender is binary, and it's unclear if they think it's a choice.
I think guys like Vox just have trouble with the idea of a fictional universe in general. Punisher can exist in the same universe as Spiderman because the world is vast enough to allow nuance. Like our own world conflicts can arise that other people aren't and may never be aware of because the universe doesn't occupy a small town where everyone knows and talks to eachother.
Mmhm, these characters don't live in the same area and they have different problems to deal with. Why would Iron Man show up to help Daredevil find evidence to prove Fisk is evil when he's already dealing with people trying to steal his tech and kill him? Why would Hulk be helping Cap chase down his former buddy? Hulk is hard to control and likely has other shit going on where he can't just be on speed dial when Cap needs some muscle. Just like the real world, big shit can happen in one place that doesn't effect people in another. I only hear about a major shooting when I happen upon an article or someone I know tells me, otherwise such a major event would never be known to me and I occupy the same universe as it, I think its reasonable that the MCU follows the same logic.
Yeah I love to call this the "RDJ rule", it goes : I live in the same universe as RDJ, I know him but I've never met him, he doesn't even know me...so until I meet RDJ, all connected fictional universe where characters don't constantly run into each other will get a pass from me! or I'd be forced to acknowledge that continuity is broken in the real world!
@@NoorAhmed-nk2jq What a weird world that would be. What if we all could just take for granted that we could meet and talk to famous people or people related to our interests just whenever.
@@NoorAhmed-nk2jq What if RDJ is actually your 3rd cousin once removed and you eventually meet up and go on all types of wacky adventures until you get your own sitcom? What will you do then
Oh right.. the Netlfix shows are in the same universe... the tonal shift experiments have been done.
I can say with confidence more people care about Hawkeye than Vox
I agree with this sentiment
@@TruffleSeeker54 I agree with this agreement
@Naknaduvan 4 I agree with your agreement to a person agreeing with another person agreeing with someone else
@@lingy69 I agree with you agreeing with someone agreeing with someone agreeing with someone
@@Kdot6_16 I agee to you agreeing with someone that agreed with someone that agreed with an agreement made by someone that agreed with someone's sentiment. phew
I'm just angry that he dissed my boy Hawkeye like that.
Ultra Nerd worse, Hawkeye did become a member of the justice league in the crossover comic.
Same, same... But at least he did not try and make the point that Hawkeye (or Widow) is the least useful of the Avengers because he doesn't have superpowers. Which we have seen other people do *cough* CinemaSins *cough*.
@@lexwolfhale1729 Eh, they still haven't given Hawkeye or, to a lesser extent, Widow enough to do, so it is understandable that some would find them to be the 'least useful' Avengers. Not the characters fault, its the writers'.
At least Widow has some appeal, but I can't imagine some kid walking out of the movies wanting to be like Hawkeye. Maybe he will get more to do in Endgame...
Dude Hawkeye has turned into the new Aquaman. Remember the old, unfunny joke about Aquaman talking to fish?? It's the same with Hawkeye, everybody keeps making the joke that Hawkeye is just a dude with a bow and arrow and honestly it's so unfunny and bland at this point.
Clint is a pretty funny and decent character and can hold his own in battle the same as Natasha. In fact I really think he should be getting a movie instead of Natasha; we've already seen soooo much of Black Widow and she's really not got much character other than "sexy sassy dangerous chick" (if the MCU can find a way to actually give her character in her movie then props to them though) and Clint has an actual struggle that has yet to really be focused on. I think it'd be interesting to see a movie (sometime inbetween civil war and infinity war) about his decision between his family and the Avengers, and maybe we could see more if how his superhero-lifestyle affects his family.
But that's just me lol. I love Clint a lot, especially in the comics
Ultra Nerd Hawkeye and black widow are the two with no powers or super suits in the avengers but they still kick ass
Marvel and DC fans should set our differences aside and defeat that Vox video
Why would DC fans want to do that? Whenever I see them talk about the mcu they just say it's boring kid stuff whereas Batman V Superman(or whatever the latest movie is) is for intellectuals and adults.
I agree. Even the DCEU actually stays consistent with it's continuity. The X-Men universe is just a mess. And Vox presents it as a positive example?
Somedude Watchintv jesus i hope you are joking
@@yuungi9391 I'm not that's the sort of thing I read when BvS was out. They said people didn't like it because it didn't spoon feed it's message to people.
@@yuungi9391 also I forgot to mention the conspiracy theories about reviewers being paid off to give disney and marvel good reviews and to give dc bad reviews.
He’s saying that the X-Men universe is a shared universe, but it wasn’t until Deadpool. Until then, they were just sequels and Wolverine spin offs. For it to be a cinematic universe it needs to have separate franchises that come together, not the other way around. Of course they’re universe is more intact, because it’s the same storyline.
Even then days of futures past deleted a majority of the movie and we barley know what happened in the present timeline until logan
Is Deadpool even in the same continuity? Deadpool’s Colossus is Russian, but the Colossus in X-Men movies isn’t. So, they aren’t the same person.
And yeah, it’s really annoying when people abuse the term “shared universe” by applying it to a series of sequels
Even with them all being the same storyline, there's still somehow continuity issues out the wazoo.
Nobody even knows if Deadpool actually takes place in the same universe because the X-Men timeline is so botched.
It's not even intact, there's been tons of retcons
*"Is Deadpool even in the same continuity?"*
Well, we do see the X-Men Dark Phoenix team in Deadpool 2, but that's not 100% proof that they're both in the same universe. (Although if we see the same scene from the X-Men side, then that *will* confirm a shared continuity.)
Also, what did they expect other than just small Easter eggs? That's how the world works and actually gives it MORE continuity. Banner is a famous scientist, so of course he'd have his picture up along other famous scientists. If anything this makes the world feel more fleshed out and lived in. Like, you know, the real world... I understand that superhero conflicts is a lot bigger than normal human conflict, but when something bad happens in one place, the entire world doesn't go to aid. Like two countries going to war doesn't mean WW3. And something that IS big enough to be like a World War, they DO get together. Avengers(1-3) and Civil War.
Also, in the real world we don't constantly reference people, even famous people all the time. Do people (other than the shmucks at ESPN) talk constantly about Lebron James or Kawhi Leonard? Not really. Even people who are in the news are not always talked about by everyone because life doesn't work that way, we have other things to deal with. It's like saying a reference to Bruce Banner in science class isn't enough to "flesh out the universe" as if that actually means anything. The fact is that they are fleshing things out by having references to the various Avengers. Just going off Spiderman: Homecoming alone it's not an argument that holds up. Peter goes to science class where Bruce Banner's picture is on the wall. His gym class is using a series of PSA/after school special type videos that involve Captain America. He talks with Iron Mans assistant on the phone. His nemesis in the film is created by the actions of Tony Stark and the aftermath of the original Avengers movie. The idea that the Avengers aren't really a part of this universe is ludicrous, because one movie alone dispels the notion. The same is true of Antman when he thinks he's going to an empty Stark warehouse and it's the New Avengers HQ. And who does Antman meet there? None other than Falcon. The events of Age of Ultron draw the Wakandans out of Wakanda, which leads to the involvement of T'Chaka and T'Challa, which leads into the events of Black Panther, and so on and so forth.
Also, the various Avengers aren't all together all the time and they do have their own lives and affairs. Steve Rogers is busy trying to find Bucky and deal with the fallout from Hydra. Tony has a business to run and is busy dealing with the ramifications of his own actions. Thor has to go back to Asgard and deal with Loki, Dr. Strange has all kinds of crazy stuff going on. Peter has school, the list goes on. It's an argument that doesn't really hold up when you think about it, which is why it's just clickbait.
In an alternate universe
“Sure, seeing Einstein on the wall is a cool reference but it doesn’t make the world intertwined.”
Heh ww3
That last bit made me wonder if this was made recently
No, no it wasn't
I just found it interesting lol
But I 100% agree (with the comment made 3 years ago shh)
why is he gonna introduce the "every tv show is connected" theory while also saying the "having small references that theres a universe is dumb"
he's trying to discredit references by saying that because these unrelated shows have references the references in the MCU are meaningless. it's a nonsense argument but that's what he's trying to do
But the problem is that those shows aren’t intended to be in the same universe, but the mcu movies are intended to be in the same universe.
Myeah, I’m Vox! Myeah! I don’t like the MCU! Myeah! Myeah, having small references is NOT ALLOWED! Myeah!
@@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 lol
Did Vox even do the most basic of research for this video? The X-Men movies were pretty much stand alone, because Fox only owned the movie rights to X-Men. They literally _could not_ include any other Marvel characters, because they didn't own the movie rights to them. And Captain America: The First Avenger was set in the '40's! Howard Stark has been in the business since at least then! How does this not count as generational?
You can tell that Vox did no research whatsoever for that video. In fact if they did, then their whole thesis would have been invalid. So its like they went ahead with the video under the influence of complete ignorance.
"Did Vox even do the most basic of research for this video?"... no.
I know I'm a year late but, Fox also owned the Fantastic 4 rights.
Yet both X-men and Fantasic 4 never referenced each other.
Well it is vox so no. They do no reaserch.
I thought it was because the x-men takes place in a different time period.
wait.... we're they saying that the conflict in Civil War was sudden...? DID YOU NOT WATCH AVENGERS 1 AND 2???? Literally in Avengers 1 at the end when people are being interviewed on the news some say that the Avengers should be held accountable for destroying the city. Civil War's conflict is 1000000% influenced by Age of Ultron. It's not like the Sacovia (no idea if i'm spelling that right) Accords were what so ever set up by the events that happened in Sacovia... THAT WAS IN AN EARLIER MOVIE!!! Even in personality traits Stark and Rogers can halfway be seen fitting into the roles.... Civil War had been built up from AT LEAST Avengers 1.... It's not like BOOM SUDDEN PLOT POINT.
Sokovia. But yes you are correct
they literally teased cap and iron man fighting in avengers 1, cap even asks iron man to put on the suit and fight ffs
@@dankerbell ikr. It's been built up since 2012
I do like though that Civil War was about holding the heroes accountable for destroying cities when the entire end of the first Avengers movie was Iron Man stopping a US nuke from blowing up New York City and killing millions of Americans. Yeah, people have died on the Avengers missions and they should be accountable for Ultron since they caused that, but if they never existed, the government would have just blown up one of the largest cities in the world with a nuke that would surely have a large fallout killing people who didn’t even live in the city and weren’t in direct threat from the aliens in the first place. America sucks in these movies
@@NotAustinV I mean, this IS the government you're talking about. Why would they take responsibility for any of their actions when there are nice juicy scapegoats with powers that would naturally make the world cautious?
"Overrated"
I hate that people keep saying this because it's such a non-criticism. If something gets a lot of attention and praise, the creators of it did their job. As far as they're concerned, "too many people think it's good" is never a bad thing.
Just get over yourself. No one likes a hipster.
Mmhm, this argument essentially boils down to "I don't like it, so it shouldn't be popular." Like I myself find Batman to be a bit overrated but that's literally only my opinion and I understand what people love about it, some of it even I love. I wouldn't make a whole video to explain why his popularity isn't deserved because it is, I merely am more fond of other things and that's fine.
Not quite. Saying something is overrated doesn't mean that it's too popular. That may be how some people use it, but that's not what it means. What the word means is hat something isn't as good as a majority of people think, or literally, that it's rated too highly. For example, if someone thinks it's ridiculous that there are so many people that are so passionate about sports, then they would say that sports are overrated. Conversely, if someone thinks that something is better than most people think, then they would say that it's underrated, or literally, rated too lowly.
@@inkmaster5480
Yeah, and I get all that. And it's fine if that's someone's opinion. It's just that most people I'm talking about use it as their solitary complaint with little to no elaboration on why they feel it's not as good as the majority says it is, and are more just annoyed with the overexposure or fanbase than the product itself.
Hero's Shade That's fair.
The vox video’s argument boiled down to, “its popular and well loved so I hate it.” Which is fine, but I just hate how they use it as a definitive. Captain Midnight (I think that’s his name) also pointed out that Vox conflated a “universe” with a “cross-over episode” which is lazy research on behalf of everyone involved. The MCU is one of a kind, it’s a whole universe in which each of these movies and shows interact and have effects on one another. It’s essentially an AU where superheroes, magic, science and Wakanda exist. I think it boils down to vox saying they’re tired of the MCU and that’s a fair assertion, but it’s just an opinion, it’s not a fact.
God, you remind me of the horror that this video got to number two on trending when it basically says nothing. Clickbait in its purest form
Edit: That sassy exit ;)
Ey, would you look at that, I literally just started your Last Jedi review. So far I'm really enjoying your presentation style, and I'm in full agreement with your points about the world building.
Ahh cool, let me know what you think when you get through it, even if its 2020 by then. Defo trying to bump up the quality in the TFA focused one on its way.
Thank god you don't get on trending, with your shitty 3 hour long, multiple part rants.
@@Qwerty-xi2zs Fuck off.
@@Qwerty-xi2zs Atleast it's actually valid critism lol
Vox’s arguments are so bad they could be past off as sarcasm.
Sam Hollands this is Vox and all their other websites’ writing these days. Don’t know how they went so downhill, but they have.
Satire*
...Sarcasm is a form of satire,
@@rhuanhollands But the wrong kind in this scenario.
Sarcasm is applied to a snide sentence or two but isn't applied to a full skit like it would be here, in that case you would just call it satire, not sarcasm.
i wish it was
The music at the end of the Vox video felt really pretentious to me. As in he was trying to make what he was saying sound more accurate by playing slow sad music.
I hate it when people do that. When they try to have some sort of "moral" at the end of the video and play emotional music.
lol yes was thinking the same thing about the Vox asshole
That's basically Vox's whole brand.
Without the Avengers, every single bit of Spider-Man wouldn't have happened.
"Spider-Man is too disconnected from the Avengers."
Without the avengers, Spider-Man: Homecoming would have probably just been the original Spider-Man film.
And Iron Man 3 is literally all about Tony Stark having PTSD because of what happened in The Avengers. And the inciting incident of Captain America: Civil War was people being mad about Age of Ultron.
Did these people do ANY plot analysis? Did they even watch the movies?
@@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 yup. Civil war was influenced by the first 2 Avengers films as well as Winter Soldier. Without that one Cap would be on the governments side, Bucky wouldn't have been there in civil war and cap wouldn't have known he killed Tony's parents.
Zemo wouldn't have been angry at the Avengers, the government and people wouldn't have much reason to enforce guidelines on them if the first 2 movies didn't happen. They might have won in Infinity War if they were together, but divided they fell.
Vulture wouldn't have any motivation to be a villain without Avengers 1, Mysterio wouldn't be there if it weren't for Stark.
Here’s a list of every influence past marvel movies had on Spider-Man big and small.
Spider-Man’s motivation
Spider-Man’s suit
Villain’s motivation
Villain’s suit
Bank robbers costumes
Bank robbers weapons (guess they forgot)
Happy Hogan being the spider nanny
Spider-Man being saved twice by Iron Man
The trigger for one of the big set pieces (the alien grenade)
The Captain America PSA videos
Spider-Man’s teacher being in Incredible Hulk (that one was more ironic but still)
The final fight is literally in a Stark plane full of the Avengers’ sh*t
@@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 Yes! Thank you! I'm so tired of people saying that Iron Man 3 adds nothing to the MCU.
I find the constant videos proclaiming the MCU to be "empty" or "overrated" so annoying. It's clear they only exist because Marvel is the biggest franchise on the planet and controversy= clicks.
calling the MCU empty is overrated.
The haters are just jealous their universes suck. Aka New Star Wars, DC, X-men compared to the MCU
Like a lot of these movies have genuine flaws that could pretty easily be pointed out. But that wouldn't be controversial or click baity enough.
@@dukes1993724 X-Men sucks? Logan, Days of Future Past, First Class and Deadpool says bonjour, I mean Logan alone is better than 20 Mcu films
@@aryarizky222 There are good movies in Fox’s X-men universe, but there are soo many duds that their universe does not hold up when compared to the MCU
Did he say it was a bad thing that you could put basically anyone into the MCU and no one would notice and then say Spiderman Homecoming presenting us with a universe anyone could be a part of as a good thing? Because I think they did.
anyone (so long as their story and powers are consistent with the rules established by the MCU). Star Wars wouldn't fit because it supposedly takes place "a long time ago", unlike the MCU which takes place in the present, not too distant past, or not too distant future (depending on the film), and has humans living away from earth, in another galaxy, and they have faster than light travel, which the MCU doesn't. So another part of that point is invalid too.
@@thebuddercweeper I agre with everything except ht MCU DOES have FTL travel. It's even played for a joke in GOTG V2
@@TSDTalks22 They actually make it explicitly clear in Captain Marvel that light speed travel doesn't exist yet, what they use instead, and what I think you are referring to, are "jump points" which presumably are akin to (maybe artificially created) wormholes, in that they can take you from one part of space to another, but the drawback of them is that they can't take you anywhere you want to go like true faster than light travel.
Marvel: Comes out with the most incredible cinematic event in the history of humankind
Vox: *"Marvel Bad"*
@Desca red I'll have to mull over that one. It's not that I think you're wrong, I'm just not sure how much influence it might have had.
That’s why they say marvel bad because it’s not the most incredible cinematic event in the history of humankind it’s childish
TianoPCGamer
Ok mate look at your channel, you play with Lego’s
CoolNinja 101 thank you for proving my point, I enjoy but it is live action action figures with cringy fan service
CoolNinja 101 lmaoooo lmaoooo i just checked your channel lmaoooooo
Wait he’s using the X men universe as an example for a universe with better continuity?? What in the actual f*ck!? I love me some x men and I even more love me some mcu, but I even admit that the x men continuinty makes no sense and is literally all over the place
it even got to the point that they used a movie to essentially reset the timeline.
@@disneyerapowerrangers2923 and they still messed it up.
Didn't see the original video.
Watches sinssins anyway
matt Murdock i love box but i saw the thumbnail and refused to watch it, i’ve seen enough anti marvel stuff to be able to guess every point their going to make
how did you write this?
matt Murdock me too
@@bambanuget4767 you are blind
@@no-one5334 i don't need to see if i want to type
Love your videos dude
Uh oh verified
Me at age thirteen trying to sound smart by dissing things that are popular because they are popular
X-men is a film series
MCU is a connected universe
That’s the difference
Seeing a corporation say that another product is just corporate when the video they’re saying that in is also corporate make me feel ill.
I'd say Guardians of the Galaxy, which is more of a comedic sci-fi adventure, has quite a different tone to something like The Winter Soldier which is more of a spy thriller which just so happens to have Captain America in it. They're both fine movies and have shockingly different tones, and both are in the MCU.
The Last Jedi comes out: The internet spends the next 4 months shitting on it.
Infinity War comes out: The internet spends the next 4 months comparing the apparently hollow, cash-in state of the Star Wars franchise to the ungodly amazing quality of the MCU.
Infinity War comes out in DVD: The internet spends the next 4 months shitting on the MCU for apparently always being a hollow cash-in.
So... all major movie franchises are shit now and I'm not allowed to enjoy anything? Have I got that right?
Russell Tietjen not really
szeax Yes really. Everyone is so toxic about what movies you're allowed to enjoy, mixing in stupid arguments like feminist propaganda whenever there's a strong woman on screen. While on average men are born with a certain percentage more body strength than the average woman, that doesn't mean that a women can't be strong. Most of my weight is fat and not muscle, put me up against a female boxer who is trained for physical fitness and I guarantee she'd win a fight. That's just one aspect of the SJW argument that critics use stupidly. Everyone's allowed their own opinion, what I hate is when toxic people use that opinion to berate the opinions of others and hate them for liking something.
@@LAZYNOOB-jf1oq Nice Strawman. People complain about "strong female characters" is because they have weak personalities and little motivation, not because they are physically capable.
I have no idea what a Strawman is. What do you mean "little motivation"? Do you mean no reason to get involved or... What?
LAZYNOOB2018 he got that wrong. What he meant to say was, “People complain about “strong female characters” because they’re *mary* *sues.*
I actually did watch this Vox video, and while usually they're pretty on point, I had completely forgotten what the video was about until you got to the silly St Elsewhere theory bit, and then I remembered why I forgot the video.
Vox is liberal propaganda and should be avoided like the plague.
@@russellwatts4784 spoken like someone who has already made up their mind.
@@russellwatts4784 no it's not silly
@@NotHPotter its still a pathetic "news" channel which loves presenting badly researched stuff as "facts" and misleading viewers. I do love their videos about music, infrastructure and stuff like that.
@@ohgirlieplease good argument. Give us a reason why
Woah. You have a Captain Underpants book. That reminds me that Jeremy still hasn't done Everything Wrong With Captain Underpants: The First Epic Movie, so I can't request EWW EWW Captain Underpants: The First Epic Movie...
Vox: who here hates marvel?
Some dude: ME
Vox: what's your reason?
Some dude: cuz all the movies are connected
Vox: good enough your hired
No decade jumping in the MCU? CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE FIRST AVENGER TAKES PLACE IN THE 1940S BEFORE ITS FINAL SCENE IN MODERN DAY. THE OPENING SCENES OF ANT-MAN AND GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY TAKE PLACE IN THE 1980S. TONY STARK RECREATES CHRISTMAS 1990 IN A SIMULATION IN CIVIL WAR. And that’s all before the example you brought up that is Captain Marvel. GOTG2’s opening scene takes place during Ego’s courtship of Peter’s mother, which was probably the 1970s. Also, season 5 of Agents of SHIELD has the team taken NINETY YEARS IN THE FUTURE for half the season before taken back into modern day
Some one who actually watches marvel's agents of shield my guy where have you been
cashman cool And that was even before season 7 added ITS examples (notice the comment is from over a year ago)
And now in WandaVision, each episode is a new decade 1950’s 60’s 70’s 2020’s 80’s 90’s and 2000’s
Sure it’s not time, it’s style, but in the hex it is.
Except episode 4, that’s outside the hex.
@@FNAFfan001 And the Monica flashback to being reconstituted after the Blip
@@thornnorton5953 I added Agents of SHIELD season 7 about 5 months ago 🙂
umm, I doubt this individual has seen any of the captain America movies which were consequential before he actually made this vid and here's why:
in CA:TFA, the time period was during WW2 which was actually impactful because without captain America then hydra, a rogue branch of the Nazis, would have bombed the hell out of the eastern seaboard as well as taking America out of the fight in ww2.
in CA:TWS, this movie was extremely important because S.H.I.E.L.D., the organization that held the avengers legally was compromised and thus SHIELD was shut down due to it. which then negatively impacted the avengers in civil war.
in CA:CW, this movie then split the avengers due to MASSIVE destruction with powerful individuals with no jurisdiction then has cap and the siding individuals be against each other. meaning that since the avengers have split, the universe of the mcu will be then compromised by you know who.
he only made one valid point, but yet skips over other movies to just justify his motive.
I feel stupid, after like 3 months of watching you I just now realized that you have 27K not 270k oops
I would love to have 270k
@@JayExci One day. If cinemasins can get millions, you deserve that much at least :P
We're almost there!
@@JayExci Nowadays you're almost there, congrats
Jay Exci congrats, you're at 278k
with most of these MCU criticism videos, while I always disagree, I can at least usually see where they're coming from. but with this one, not only did I disagree, not only did I think he made invalid points, I genuinely didn't know why he thinks the way he thinks. my reaction after watching this video was "wait, what?"
That was a Running In The 90s remix at the end, you can't fool me
And Civil War had stakes. Thanos would have lost if the Avengers were united. I'm sure they'll make that point in A4.
I always like bringing that up with myself whenever I watch the movie. Of course, they'll have to do something about the stones if they want to beat him, even as a team, because as of right now, he could snap them out of existence if they made a move. I'm wondering what's going to happen with Tony and Nebula though, both of them are stranded on Titan after the battle. After the Snap, Tony seemed trapped with his head in his hands and I'm thinking there will be multiple scenes throughout the movie showing him not moving much and making small conversation with Nebula. I'm thinking that Nebula will suggest a way off of the planet around halfway into the movie when they are building up to the last fight. What would you want to happen in those Nebula and Tony scenes? Assuming they don't just leave right away, or would you rather have that?
@@LAZYNOOB-jf1oq
Well, they're certainly not waiting till half the movie to get Tony off of Titan that is for sure. Definitely skipping it or getting it done in the first act. I'd love for those scenes to start with Tony being quiet and distant at first but eventually they both just start talking candidly about loss and become close on their way to earth. (The Guardians ship the Benatar is still there)
@@zingzaber6989 The Benatar? Aren't they still using the Milano?
@@LAZYNOOB-jf1oq
Nope, it was apparently destroyed in Guardians 2. And that is a different ship all-together in Infinity War.
In pretty sure they confirmed avengers 4 will take place 1 year after infinity war
Vox should delete the video, lol. More emptiness than my High School Reunion.
Seriously this is a discussion that could be had, but they don't even go into the surface level of the topic of the flaws of the MCU.
As a huge fan of Agents of Shield, I maintian that it does a lot of what the Vox video was suggesting should be done, sure it's not perfect, but you can't have a transformed universe without giving some focus to the everyday people, yeah that kid was chosing between toys, but what the video doesn't tell you is that the father oof that kid was experimented on by people who wanted to replicate the super soldier experiment, the mcu is a transformed universe because it's history and science has evolved to reflect the existance of superheros, not because it has cameos or because they all share one story line/ conflict like the x-men.
I too love AOS. (And it's pretty close to perfect imo)
@@zingzaber6989 The show is close to perfect, the connected universe is what I was referring to, logistically it's very hard for the show to keep up with the movies and vice versa, but it does a great job regardless!
Says Easter eggs like Bruce Banner's picture in a high-school, then says the damage control in the same movie is ground breaking, BOI WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING
also, wtf is that at 4:01
Elrond Halfelven art
world domination
Your King
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MY REQUEST! I LOVE YOU! :D
I FORGOT TO PUT THE REQUESTS AT THE BEGINNING! Damn, I knew I was forgetting something.
@@JayExci Its ok man :)
Im glad you listen to the audience ^_^
But... why is Iron Man 3 so underrated you guys!?
Jony FiftyFour i loved that movie, idc if some people dislike it, none of the points they often make made me enjoy it any less
I've no idea.
I know right? It's a great movie!
I loved it. I think it just became popular to hate on it cause of the villian twist (which i loved)
Because of the villain. His whole evil motivation was "sempai didn't notice me". The bait and switch at the end with the villain was also awful. Why does every Iron Man movie need an angry rich guy who's basically the evil Tony Stark as the villain? You know, looking back on it, the Iron Man movies have had the weakest story lines, save maybe the first one which had a really strong 2/3rds, it just fell apart at the end with a really lame "boss battle". But Robert Downey is so good at what he does, he makes them entertaining. Without his charisma, people would be a lot more critical as somehow the Iron Man movies are some of the worst of the MCU in terms of writing, villains, and plot.
"mcu is a marketing strategy"
Isn't vox a bad marketing strategy?
I'm a die-hard MCU fan( not a fanboy)
But I like to watch others criticize it to know their opinions and I mostly respect them but Vox's video was confusimg and didn't have any focus the only valid criticism it had was 1 minute saying MCU are set ups just that
The rest was history lesson to show itself cool and smart
Comparing the X-Men and Marvel universes is so dumb like mutants have been arounf for EONS and from Iron Man to Homecoming like,,, 12 years have passed?? Of course things are different. Maybe wait a couple decades mate.
Good, good. Embrace the memes, milk the rhinos
🦏🥛
Vox’s video feels like an essay written by a high schooler for a class he’s been skipping all year, the night before the deadline.
I’m not one of those people who unsubscribe from channels because of one video they disagree with but I don’t think I can ever trust their opinion again.
"Infinity War doesn't have stakes" - Vox
*half the universe is dead at the end aka. the biggest stakes EVER*
Can anyone name a movie with bigger stakes than that where the bad guy actually wins? I'm no movie expert but I can't think of any
Jojo part 6
W3475ter Weird name probably he said movie not piece of media
Ya I know just wanted to meme
@@TruffleSeeker54 the only stake i can name thats bigger than infinity war's ending is spider-man: ffh's ending where peter's identity is not only revealed, but also accused as a criminal, but half the universe being dead is a pretty big stake ngl.
I'm currently at 7:51 as I had to pause the video and type this comment. He just said X-MEN did a better job at continuity. Excuse me what? Is that guy from a parallel universe where continuity means something different? X-MEN is the biggest continuity mess ever.
Well yes if aquaman was in infinity war peoples will care because he isn’t a marvel character the mcu is a marvel franchise not a dc, Star Wars etc
i think he was trying to argue that if a character that's never seen or mentioned before and was placed in a poster, no one would notice as there are so many mcu characters or some bs like that.
Seriously though, if that man has that much trouble remembering 20+ characters on-screen, he probably shouldn't be dissing what he does not understand
@@zorex. right. Obviously people would care, even not knowing that aqua man was DC, people would look at him and think "huh, why the hell have I never been given this character's background?", at least they would if they have seen all the MCU films and TV shows, which, given that he made this point, I doubt Vox has.
Homecoming: shows the effect of scifi tech getting into the hands of modern day criminals due to Avengers battles and such
Vox: the movies aren't integrated well
Vox is wrong?!
**insert surprised pikachu meme**
I can tell this guy just watched a “All mcu movies in 5 minutes.”
Okay let's do what Vox did to the MCU but to X-Men. In the MCU you'd need to decide whether you stand with Stark and that enhanced individuals should be monitored by the government because even heroes like the Avengers cause trouble, or, if you stand with Captain America on whether you think that heroes aren't necessarily responsible for the damage that super villains cause (I haven't actually seen Civil War). In the X-Men universe, you just need to decide if do or do not like a person based on their powers. See? I can oversimplify things for my needs too Vox.
Also, the point of X-Men is that they want to coexist with humans and that saying "humans and mutants" is basically like saying "humans and blacks." It's not supposed to be a battle.
I had mixed feelings about Spider-Man: homecoming when it first dropped. On one hand, the spidey purist in me was pissed that Iron Man was spidey’s mentor, because the whole deal with Spider-Man is him figuring it out on his own and being his own person. Having stark baby him was insulting lol
Granted once I watched the movie I changed my mind a bit.
But the big point I loved in Homecoming was how well the movie showed the ramifications of the Avengers existence in both a nuanced and plot dependent way. The connection to the MCU made Vulture super believable, and obviously people are dressing as avengers in this universe. To me it helped establish the peripheral world building of the MCU without detracting from the development of a good and fully fleshed out story. Like you don’t need to watch the other MCU movies but it really adds depth to the franchise as a whole. You can enjoy this as a teen comedy, or a part of a much larger universe, because it is both.
TL;DR
Vox is stupid. Homecoming was amazing.
Agreed. I love Homecoming and Far From Home for these reasons
A universe with settings in the 1000's, WW2, the 80s, a film coming up in the 90s, and modern day.....DOESNT DECADE JUMP? Dost thou even watch the films Vox?
wait, the 1000s? do you mean small fragments of Thor? Because there are no MCU films fully set over 1000 years ago.
@@satireknight yeah... that’s what I asked in my original comment. Whether they mean those fragments of Thor.
This feels so weird to watch because here in Spain Vox is the name of a far-right political party
What happened to Podemos? Or wasn't it a party?
@@Beastinvader yes, it was (and still is) a political party. They're still around
WTF are this points against marvel!? Don't even make sense...i'm a DC fan and i don't find something wrong with marvel... Except some movies (captain marvel,thor the dark world)
jeb _ hey there! I haven’t met a dc fan who isn’t toxic, rude or blind in a while. Thanks for your positive comments about MCU even though you are a dc fan. And I agree cap marvel, Thor 2 are pretty awful too
@@ArjonRahman Haven't met a DC who isn't toxic, rude or blind in a while? What about me?
Pretty sure Marvel would be quite surprised if Disney tried a Star Wars/Marvel crossover - last I checked, Marvel still has the "NO CROSSOVERS!" clause in the contract...
Well, there was the Phineas and Ferb crossover, but that was the animated one, so I guess that doesn't count.
This has literally been a shared universe since Captain America: The First Avenger. I guess it is easy to look over Howard Stark as a character. It's not like he was an accomplished pilot, engineer, inventor, and scientist. It's not like his character effected the entire fabric of the film at all. All in all, he was pretty forgettable. I even had to google his name to make sure I had it right.
You have a very good narration/voiceover voice! Your inflections and tone are engaging and your words are clear and concise. Overall, it's fun and interesting to listen to your (very good) points.
I have a job and you can't take that away from me cinemasinssins
The fact that Vox thought Fox's X-Men... the least faithful film adaptation of any source material ever... and yes I'm counting the Resident Evil films in that assessment, was in any shape form or fashion better than anything the mcu has made caused me to turn their video off.
you know the universe sucked when their biggest success are movies that either didn't need to be in it to be loved, or a movie that was loved because it gave an ending to the character they forced down our throats as the main one.
Notice me Senpai...
I'll notice you if that helps
Senpai has noticed me! :o
i have to laugh. i had never watched mcu movies, but i love spider-man as a character, so some time ago i binge watched all spider-man movies, from raimi trilogy up to homecoming. loved mcu's spidey and then forgot about it. until november of 2018, when i decided to check out spidey in infinity war, so i had to binge watch all of mcu. and when i was watching homecoming again, my mind was blown up. everything makes so much sense now! i still understood plot of homecoming when i was unfamiliar with the universe, but it's completely different experience. and its the beauty of mcu.
I just gotta say something about your star wars reference, and that is that since star wars takes place in a galaxy far far away, why can't it be the same universe as the marvel characters. I mean it could be possible, not that it is but it could be true
Star Wars actually does exist in the MCU, but in the form of pop culture.
Star Wars does exist in the MCU. Peter references it in Captain America: Civil War. Only thing is... it’s a movie: it didn’t actually happen.
the actual events of Star Wars could never take place in the MCU because it's referenced as a TV show, unless Marvel/Disney want to imply that events from a distant galaxy somehow influenced Terran pop culture in the 70s.
You have become such a master of this kind of this kind of defending things from these sorts of flawed arguments, that I almost feel Cinema Sins is beneath you now.
I think you should focus entirely on these sort of videos. The ones that are all well edited and clearly have a lot of production value, to create the illusion that they actually know what they are talking about. It's funny how they always have these titles like "why x is the worst".
I was thinking of making a spoof called something like "why cheese is the worst". I even had part of a script written. But I don't think my production value could do the pretentious nature of these videos justice.
Cinema sins just spouts nonsense
The MCU is like sowing.
Sometimes, sowing can have rips, were the 2 thing don’t mix well. The MCU is neatly sown, at less usually. And the string used to sow them together, sows through multiple times, sometimes with little rips, but still put neatly. And the things you sow together are all made nicely, sometimes with extra parts(sequels) that can help it sow with other things.
And that is why the MCU is putting other characters in other movies, is perfect 👌
From what I can ascertain, it seems like the Vox dude wants the MCU movies to feature the entire cast on a more regular basis, and to have a more central conflict that spans all of the movies, which should also be "mature" and "deep". Yeah, that would suck, because it's the MCU's variety of characters and stories that have allowed the franchise to have 20 movies in 10 years and still be a huge success. Comparing the MCU to the X-Men is a fucking terrible comparison, because in the scope of Marvel, the X-Men movies are ONE property, while the MCU cover several (I count 10 as of now, Iron Man, Incredible Hulk, Thor, Captain America, Avengers, Guardians, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, Spider-Man, Black Panther). In comic book terms, asking the MCU to have a more streamlined and centralized story is asking Marvel to print 6 different comic books that all tell the same story. That would be shit.
He wants RDJ and Evans in at least 20 of the 24 movies so far...
Vox: "The MCU is bad because it's only interconnected by cosmetic Easter Eggs and doesn't experiment in tone or genre."
Also Vox: "The MCU is bad because it's a messy hodge-podge of poorly interconnected characters, tones and settings."
Uh... what's the thesis here?
The real world feels empty. You know why? Because you could add a guy, and it wouldn’t change it completely. Convinced?
Cinemasins still won't do Infinity War
Which is odd, you would think they would just parrot the same meme complaints people have made. Or selectively ignore plot points and pretend the movie didn't go over them again...or both.
Or maybe they actually believe Thanos is right and his plan makes sense and they think it's a good movie for that alone, they seem gullible enough.
They did now
@@herosshade2247 Or they just didn't want to do it.
I would actually argue Iron Man 3 is the only film were the "where is SHIELD and/or the other Avengers?" applies. Thor: The Dark World had the action that did take place on Earth end rather quickly and ditto for Guardians Of The Galaxy Volume 2. Captain America: The Winter Soldier made it clear that HYDRA was keeping tabs on the other avengers hence Steve and Natasha go to Sam for help since he is affiliated with neither. Ant-Man and the Wasp had Scott on house arrest and Hank and Hope on the run so they could call for help, plus the clip from the first he dubs a "heavy handed excuse". Finally Doctor Strange had most of the action take place in other dimensions where the outside world could see what was going on.
I haven't watched Cival War in a long time but wasn't it revealed near the end of the movie that Bucky killed Tony's parents or something? Is that not a massive generational plot development? Maybe I dreamed that...
That "kid in agents of shield" also has his father torn away from him mere seconds after the shot they show, but I guess that doesn't "change him" the way vox wants it to.
Vox: “The MCU doesn’t have any generational battles”
Hydra: Are we a joke to you?
I used to like Vox ever since their video on The LEGO Movie. It's sad to see them go down to corporate levels of bad.
“The MCU could do some things right”
*proceeds to list exactly what Spider-Man Homecoming was doing*
Yeah I still haven't figured out what the points the Vox video is trying to make actually are and how anything it says relates to those points. I guess he...liked Homecoming? But did he actually see it? And I'm not sure if he likes how MUCH it's connected to the MCU or how little, it's just a bunch of nonsense. Have any of these takedown videos actually said anything substantive beyond the obvious fact that the movies aren't all 100% uniformily excellent?
It is such a weak point to call the MCU a soulless corporate cash grab. EVERYTHING is a cash grab, but this a fantastically successful corporate cash grab that seemed impossible ten years ago and that no one has come close to replicating yet and ranks as landmark achievement in the history of film...of art in general!
I agree whole heartidly with your comment. This whole "Its a cash grab" argument is stupid because of course it is. Its a movie and Marvel and Disney are a business, what business doesn't try to make money? This argument is literally just saying "Marvel is trying to make money"
Nooo...really!? Whodathunkit!? What do they expect instead, I am just really confused here. And yes, you are correct, they did something people didn't think could work because before the MCU, every super hero film was standalone, Spiderman was only Spiderman, Batman was only Batman but now every super hero Marvel and Disney have the rights to will more than likely exist in the same world. Its successful, it makes money, which is why the Dark Universe, the DC Cinematic Universe and the Godzilla Universe are being made, it works, so other companies want their piece of the pie. You can't argue that its not successful and you can't get bent out of shape that the thing that requires money, is trying to make money. Its a dumb argument.
I mean, there are things that are soulless corporate cash grabs, like the DCEU or the dark universe, but guess what... those films fail, and why is that? because they're soulless and people don't like soulless!
I mean come on people, the MCU literally has something called the soul stone in it, how much more soul do you want?
@@thebuddercweeper and a character named Vision!
"I can do this all day."
The mcu is overrated?
No .
Titanic
Avatar
The dark knight are .
Once again no , I don't like those movies, but it doesn't mean no one should or has a reason to -_-
All mcu criticism is worthless through
Why is all mcu criticism worthless?
Lmao fuck of dark night was my favorite thing
Spiderman Homecoming is probably the WORST standalone to use an example...
EvilDMMk3 how? I’m just curious.
Jesus, Vox? More like " V O X" I've never heard someone talk slower
do you not watch when he does seriessins?
Dude. When he said it's not a transformed universe, he probably meant that the MCU is like our modern world, with occasional heroes here and there. Which is totally not how the world would look if there were actual superheroes roaming around. The world barely acknowledges their existence. Better example would be The Boys, where they are integral parts of it, but fuck it, One Punch Man is even better.
I wouldn’t mind the Vox video as much if it was making bad arguments, but the arguments it makes are objectively untrue.
Binging your videos while I’m sick and bored. Your voice is quite soothing, you don’t scream, and no crazy sound effects. My throbbing head thanks you. Also your sarcasm has a healing effect.
The Vox video was so PAINFULLY clickbait, a blatant attention grab to drum up some controversy that I ignored it. But it then turns out that their video has no point to make and is just a meandering mess? Interesting tactic, Vox.
“X-Men shows good continuity”
EXCUSE ME WHAT THE FUCK😂😂😂
This whole thing is a shame really because I actually quite enjoy a fair bit of vox's content but this was just absolutely garbage.
Judging a part of media by saying it's overrated is probably the shittiest criticism ever tbh
Vietnam flashback to the undertale hatedom
hahahahaha
They would put an image of Namor and Vox will call him Aquaman
I dont think you really adressed the core point of Vox: that the only reason all these characters share the same universe in the MCU is because they are all owned by Disney. There is no larger cohesive theme justifying why they all should be in the same universe. Sure, they can share the same universe, but they could just as easily be in different ones. And that makes all of the crossovers seem kind of hollow. You could easily exclude appearances (for example antman in civil war or captain marvel in endgame) and they wouldnt change the story, so obviously these crossovers arent story driven.
Doesn't the background of this channel kinda look like a Genius video?
He insulted Hawkeye, where are my explosive arrows....
His real main point is just to bully hawkeye
Captain America: The first avenger takes place during ww2 when he's fighting hydra and Captain America: The winter soldier takes place in modern day and it reveals that sheild is hydra... How is that not decade jumping?