Gideon is pretty manageable for killer. It’s a tedious map to play on, but it is not hard, since the gens are all so damn close to each other. Gideon may be god pallet city, but most of these you will exhaust upon your first visit. The fact, that none of the tiles are “mindgamable” guarantees that these pallets get brute forced really fast. Especially upstairs, Gideon turns into a dead zone pretty fast. The one thing, that you don’t want to do on Gideon, is tunneling early on. That is just a recipe for disaster (especially with everybody and their dog running Windows of Opportunity). Just juggle the gens and the survivors, as you find them there, and you will be chilling. Also, don’t destroy any of the destructible walls near the closed sliding gates. They segment off many parts of the map, which makes chaining pallets more difficult/impossible in these areas.
@@nayd5043 That’s what I am saying. It’s not as survivor sided, as some people think it is. Not even close! Most indoor maps favor killers, because they are very reliant on pallets and the pathing options of the survivors are insanely boxed in. Also, most indoor maps are very static …. so no big RNG surprises. The only sort of balanced indoor map imo is Lery’s, because it has a lot of randomness to it, with tons of vaults and doors. And it is deceptively big for an indoor map. It also is only one level, so no terror radius confusion.
@@Its_SaberHG that's why as a survivor, you shouldn't be predropping while healthy. That's advice in general. Complete waste of pallets if you're predropping them while healthy. Use your health state effectively, don't just drop shit everywhere. Take the hit, use the boost to get to a safe loop. Some times, killers get greedy and will try to play around pallets if you're injured. If you're healthy, they're guaranteed to just keep breaking. I've gone on a ton of long chases due to killers getting greedy around some loops on that map.
@@WutTheDeuceGaming I play bubba a lot, so it's extremely easy for me. If they drop, I get rid of pallet. If they don't, I get the down Only pure m1 killers can struggle
Gideon's is very killer sided if you choose to only stick to the downstairs area. If your killer is unable to hold that area down then I'm not sure how you're supposed to win on that map. Arguably Toba Landing is the best map for hiding
17:00 this is no "S teir killer needed" thing, this is a skill issue on 90% of maps, you dont need to play Nurse or Blight to win every match You describe these maps like the killers are braindead and the survivors are always the "big scary 4man 4bnp swf"
@eckogeckoo I believe he plays (he has some map knowledge clearly) he's just the "this games out to get me and I must tunnel at 5 gens or I won't get a 4k" stereotype
Gideon Meatplant is a heaven for pallets. To run out of pallets in that map and not having completed all the gens only speaks volume on Survivor's skill level falling below beginner. The map has such good loop potential and window areas to reuse for long chases.
not both RPD’s are admittedly survivor sided. East wing is kinda killer sided. The majority of gen spawns are on the west side of the East wing actually whereas the pallet and open sides are open on the East. The closed off, smaller west side has a grand total of 3 pallets worth noting (one in Leon’s welcoming room, one in safety deposit room, and one upstairs in library). There’s one okay pallet by the desk out front of Leon’s welcome room but this is not guaranteed all the time and is easily playable for a killer and typewriter room pallet is not even worth mentioning. Other than that, shred through those 3 pallets, defend the gens that usually spawn on that side of the map (within a close proximity too) then East wing should be easily playable. Very easy to enforce a 3 Gen on this map as there’s little to no safety once you get rid of the few pallets and ignore the bigger, stronger east side of the East wing.
TMM just want to let you know shattered square and forgotten ruins and shattered square have over 60% kill rate, and forgotten ruins has an even higher kill rate than haddonfield, forgotten ruins is definitely up there with haddonfield and probably even more killer sided especially with killers who can teleport. Both decimated borgo maps have literally no pallets at all
@ y'know what is tho? the fact that forgotten ruins has the highest kill rate in the game, above haddonfield, and shattered square is 6th highest kill rate. Both maps have most pallets spawning on the very edge of the map, where no one goes... and even when they do go there the pallets are extremely unsafe since the walls are so short. The middle of the map is a complete deadzone on both maps, with only 2 actual tiles spawning on the outskirts on opposite sides of the map (weird trash variated unsafe jungle gym, and T/L) + shack.
I have won plenty of games by simply letting one survivor predrop for the first 2 mins on Gideon. Like yeah, it's a garbage map, but it's not as near as problematic as some others. If you can get someone to predrop where the majority of the gens are, it can be pretty good. There's always one more gen on the bottom floor or the top floor. I basically just protect the floor with the most gens. There's also some good 3 gen potential here. You also have things like Surge which is really damn good on this map. For M1 killers, this map is pretty rough, but for others it can be a pretty easy time. For example, Huntress and Nemmy as killers who aren't Nurse that do well here. You also have no shack or no main building, which is a plus. I don't think this map is even close to the others placed alongside it. It's survivor sided based on the safety of pallets, but that's it. Gideon also has a very good basement that is tough for survivors to deal with. Haddonfield also isn't as killer sided as you think. Stealth killers cannot stealth because the map is wide open. This map usually also has 3 safe gens inside of 3 different buildings. I'd say this map is closer to balanced rather than being severely advantageous to either side. Hook RnG in this map can also be very bad, same thing with exit gate placement. Lery's main room is absolutely fucked btw. You can loop FOREVER there. This map is not small as the chatter said there as well. Lot of safety and good EASY loops for survivors. Blood Lodge, I actually do not like that map. Main building is always surrounded by chainable loops with pretty safe pallets. I also don't believe there is a single map that is objectively killer sided, at least not so much where you're just winning every single time on them. Even DD, if survivors know what they're doing with the saloon and surrounding area, you can get run over as a killer on this map. Not to mention the amount of bushes people can hide in, good for stealth and flashlight saving. The whole area where the saloon and shack are, it's so strong you absolutely need to break the second floor wall and the wall on shack and even then it can still get looped decently enough.
One thing i don t like abt your tier-list is that you automatically assume that the survivos will do the most out of the map that they are given whilst the killer won't. Like you always assume the survivors will loop and connect everything perfectly while the killer will just unga boonga around. That's not how it works imo. If a killer has a 3-gen map he will almost always capitalise on it, and it's much easier to 3-gen than to perfectly loop everything as a 4-man team no matter swf or solo-q. So, this being said, there is no way that, for example, azarov's resting place, sufo pit and father Campbell's chapel isn't on the killer side. They've got the most disgusting 3 gens you can have alongside DDS.
Judging a map by it's maximum potential is the best way to do a tier list IMO. If survivors are bad, survivors will lose no matter the map, making the tier list redundant.
Most maps is not in favor of killers. And we still think game is killer sided. Killer have so much to deal with in macth, surv just need to spone the on good map and do gen well
@@AK_2k1 It's indoor which automatically favors killer, the iron doors can create cut offs for the survivors, dangerous gens like the bathroom and no windows. Once you remove some pallets, they have absolutely no safety
RPD East is more killer-sided and the West is more survivor-sided. That outside route is way stronger on the West to timewaste, the loops on the West are stronger.
how is gideon meat plant survivor sided? unsafe loops, small map, easy 3 gen setup, always the same layout. haven't lost a game on meat plant in like 3 months no matter the killer
TMM, do you by any chance check nightlight statistics? I noticed your top 3 worst maps for survivors are also the ones that have the highest kill rates on nightlight. I'm not sure if that is just because you accurately tiered maps or if you take statistics in consideration so I was curious.
As a guy with over 3k hours in solo queue I'll list my thoughts starting from the top. I don't think Midwich is a bad survivor map especially after the last update. It's not bad for stealth builds and the gates are very close but otherwise I don't feel it's bad for survivor. Rotten fields is a terrible survivor map that's often portrayed as good for survivor for some reason so I'm glad someone else thinks it's awful. RPD East is a bad survivor map but West is fine as East often has a very good 3 gen and weak loops. Eyrie is overrated for survivor, I bring myself there all the time as killer and I win pretty much every game no problem. Gideon is extremely good for a lot of killers and builds and its only really pure m1 killers with no game sense that do bad on the map. Badham is absolutely the best survivor realm in the game no question. Main is strong, 2 story is strong, house of pain is strong, shack is strong, and every filler on the map is strong. However, basement hook at main and the game is often lost but that's the only real killer advantage on the map. Edit You forgot Greenville Square which I think is a very good survivor map.
No way the majority of the Autohaven maps are balanced 😭, blood lodge main building way too good for survivor. Fun bus loops also exist, which is unique to all Autohaven maps and is one of the best loops for surv. Wreckers yard is basically like the Rotten fields for Autohaven, just smaller, so it’d be more killer sided. Rotten fields is way too big and open to be considered killer sided. Half the killers in the roster are considered “M1” killers and have little to no mobility. So killers other than billies, nurses, blights, or even unknowns and spirits (it’s easy to track survivors through corn tbh, they move the corn) are gna have a hard time pressuring a map as big as rotten fields. Survivors will just pre run to the nearest loop when they see you coming from a mile away.
Blood lodge main building is honestly as strong as a standard tile. Chance of getting fun bus window is also not as high anymore. Autohaven isn’t as strong as it used to be
@ Blood lodge main building has 2 honestly pretty strong window variations. A second floor too to proc balanced and there’s almost always a guaranteed pallet off to the side of main that while isn’t strong, you can use to connect into much stronger loops further from main. Imo blood lodge is pretty survivor sided as a map, but the dead zones in it (like the little empty piles of scrap) make it a bit bearable for killer. As for fun bus loops. Any variation of the fun bus is pretty good no matter what, because it often spawns between two other strong loops like a jungle gym or smthn lesser like a T and L. You rarely get an isolated fun bus, it’s almost always chaining with another loop. A fun bus is not only strong for its individual looping power, but also it’s ability to chain itself between other loops.
TLDR they are all very survivor sided no surprise here free bt free anticamp free win maps why even play killer at this point? theres nothing you can do get all sweaty and work hard for a single win when the baby survivors get ez wins thrown at you
@@michaeldream9741 it's the same with people ranking some killers (or killer role in general) very low because "uhm actually against good SWF this killer is dogshit". Yeah because every game is a Nurse against a comp SWF
tbh if nightlight statistics is anything to go by, the most "survivor sided" map still has a 50% kill rate which means on average people get draws there, so that's really not much.
LMAO love the Otzdarva impression
Gideon on Nemesis when you get an early tier 2 is actually awesome.
dude these dbd vids are great really hopping this channel takes off like your tekken one did, best of luck
Gideon is pretty manageable for killer. It’s a tedious map to play on, but it is not hard, since the gens are all so damn close to each other. Gideon may be god pallet city, but most of these you will exhaust upon your first visit. The fact, that none of the tiles are “mindgamable” guarantees that these pallets get brute forced really fast. Especially upstairs, Gideon turns into a dead zone pretty fast.
The one thing, that you don’t want to do on Gideon, is tunneling early on. That is just a recipe for disaster (especially with everybody and their dog running Windows of Opportunity). Just juggle the gens and the survivors, as you find them there, and you will be chilling. Also, don’t destroy any of the destructible walls near the closed sliding gates. They segment off many parts of the map, which makes chaining pallets more difficult/impossible in these areas.
I'm surprised this map has pretty high kill rates on nightlight.
@@nayd5043 That’s what I am saying. It’s not as survivor sided, as some people think it is. Not even close! Most indoor maps favor killers, because they are very reliant on pallets and the pathing options of the survivors are insanely boxed in. Also, most indoor maps are very static …. so no big RNG surprises.
The only sort of balanced indoor map imo is Lery’s, because it has a lot of randomness to it, with tons of vaults and doors. And it is deceptively big for an indoor map. It also is only one level, so no terror radius confusion.
It's such a killer sided map, there's almost nothing survivors can do once a few pallets are gone. There's like 2 windows
@@Its_SaberHG that's why as a survivor, you shouldn't be predropping while healthy. That's advice in general. Complete waste of pallets if you're predropping them while healthy. Use your health state effectively, don't just drop shit everywhere. Take the hit, use the boost to get to a safe loop. Some times, killers get greedy and will try to play around pallets if you're injured. If you're healthy, they're guaranteed to just keep breaking. I've gone on a ton of long chases due to killers getting greedy around some loops on that map.
@@WutTheDeuceGaming I play bubba a lot, so it's extremely easy for me. If they drop, I get rid of pallet. If they don't, I get the down
Only pure m1 killers can struggle
Gideon's is very killer sided if you choose to only stick to the downstairs area. If your killer is unable to hold that area down then I'm not sure how you're supposed to win on that map. Arguably Toba Landing is the best map for hiding
“Gideon is killer sided if you give up 3 gen”
You dropped this:🤡
17:00 this is no "S teir killer needed" thing, this is a skill issue on 90% of maps, you dont need to play Nurse or Blight to win every match
You describe these maps like the killers are braindead and the survivors are always the "big scary 4man 4bnp swf"
And then, you can't generalize all maps for killers. Maps like mothers dwelling is fine for someone like Bubba but a wesker will really struggle on it
there's a reason map offerings are used constantly. Most maps are very busted and can be run by anyone with an IQ of 50.
@@WutTheDeuceGamingmost maps aren’t busted do you even play
@eckogeckoo I believe he plays (he has some map knowledge clearly) he's just the "this games out to get me and I must tunnel at 5 gens or I won't get a 4k" stereotype
21:35 Great Christopher Walken impression 🔥
Great tier list!
Gideon Meatplant is a heaven for pallets. To run out of pallets in that map and not having completed all the gens only speaks volume on Survivor's skill level falling below beginner. The map has such good loop potential and window areas to reuse for long chases.
not both RPD’s are admittedly survivor sided. East wing is kinda killer sided. The majority of gen spawns are on the west side of the East wing actually whereas the pallet and open sides are open on the East. The closed off, smaller west side has a grand total of 3 pallets worth noting (one in Leon’s welcoming room, one in safety deposit room, and one upstairs in library). There’s one okay pallet by the desk out front of Leon’s welcome room but this is not guaranteed all the time and is easily playable for a killer and typewriter room pallet is not even worth mentioning. Other than that, shred through those 3 pallets, defend the gens that usually spawn on that side of the map (within a close proximity too) then East wing should be easily playable. Very easy to enforce a 3 Gen on this map as there’s little to no safety once you get rid of the few pallets and ignore the bigger, stronger east side of the East wing.
TMM just want to let you know shattered square and forgotten ruins and shattered square have over 60% kill rate, and forgotten ruins has an even higher kill rate than haddonfield, forgotten ruins is definitely up there with haddonfield and probably even more killer sided especially with killers who can teleport. Both decimated borgo maps have literally no pallets at all
Borgo maps don't have pallets? I mean, that ain't standing up in court buddy.
@ y'know what is tho? the fact that forgotten ruins has the highest kill rate in the game, above haddonfield, and shattered square is 6th highest kill rate. Both maps have most pallets spawning on the very edge of the map, where no one goes... and even when they do go there the pallets are extremely unsafe since the walls are so short. The middle of the map is a complete deadzone on both maps, with only 2 actual tiles spawning on the outskirts on opposite sides of the map (weird trash variated unsafe jungle gym, and T/L) + shack.
I dont play DBD and dont know what the hell is going on but I would totally watch a 2 hour Killer Tierlist video so keep them coming !
He has a killer tiet list already
@@theghostface6748 Oh shit my bad lol, seems like I totally missed that one.
Not 2 hours though :(
@@EddieMorphling It's all good lol. Yeah he covered them all pretty fast
gotta jump on the dbd bandwagon in the summer, crazy license release coming xd
@@HastyBomba big licence for kids maybe?
I have won plenty of games by simply letting one survivor predrop for the first 2 mins on Gideon. Like yeah, it's a garbage map, but it's not as near as problematic as some others. If you can get someone to predrop where the majority of the gens are, it can be pretty good. There's always one more gen on the bottom floor or the top floor. I basically just protect the floor with the most gens. There's also some good 3 gen potential here. You also have things like Surge which is really damn good on this map. For M1 killers, this map is pretty rough, but for others it can be a pretty easy time. For example, Huntress and Nemmy as killers who aren't Nurse that do well here. You also have no shack or no main building, which is a plus. I don't think this map is even close to the others placed alongside it. It's survivor sided based on the safety of pallets, but that's it. Gideon also has a very good basement that is tough for survivors to deal with.
Haddonfield also isn't as killer sided as you think. Stealth killers cannot stealth because the map is wide open. This map usually also has 3 safe gens inside of 3 different buildings. I'd say this map is closer to balanced rather than being severely advantageous to either side. Hook RnG in this map can also be very bad, same thing with exit gate placement.
Lery's main room is absolutely fucked btw. You can loop FOREVER there. This map is not small as the chatter said there as well. Lot of safety and good EASY loops for survivors.
Blood Lodge, I actually do not like that map. Main building is always surrounded by chainable loops with pretty safe pallets.
I also don't believe there is a single map that is objectively killer sided, at least not so much where you're just winning every single time on them. Even DD, if survivors know what they're doing with the saloon and surrounding area, you can get run over as a killer on this map. Not to mention the amount of bushes people can hide in, good for stealth and flashlight saving. The whole area where the saloon and shack are, it's so strong you absolutely need to break the second floor wall and the wall on shack and even then it can still get looped decently enough.
One thing i don t like abt your tier-list is that you automatically assume that the survivos will do the most out of the map that they are given whilst the killer won't. Like you always assume the survivors will loop and connect everything perfectly while the killer will just unga boonga around. That's not how it works imo. If a killer has a 3-gen map he will almost always capitalise on it, and it's much easier to 3-gen than to perfectly loop everything as a 4-man team no matter swf or solo-q. So, this being said, there is no way that, for example, azarov's resting place, sufo pit and father Campbell's chapel isn't on the killer side. They've got the most disgusting 3 gens you can have alongside DDS.
Judging a map by it's maximum potential is the best way to do a tier list IMO. If survivors are bad, survivors will lose no matter the map, making the tier list redundant.
@cheesecakeee7963 the same could be said abt he killer, what's your point?
33:42 he knows
Correction, Nurse used to have up to 7 blinks so she was changed technically xd
49:38 he said the funny line 😂
i love big large loops
Most maps is not in favor of killers. And we still think game is killer sided. Killer have so much to deal with in macth, surv just need to spone the on good map and do gen well
Ngl u just suck at meat plant on killer. it's heavily killer sided
4/10 ragebait
@AK_2k1 You just suck if you think it's survivor sided
@@Its_SaberHG bro then explain how it's killer sided when there are god pallets everywhere and not mindgame-able loops
@@AK_2k1 It's indoor which automatically favors killer, the iron doors can create cut offs for the survivors, dangerous gens like the bathroom and no windows. Once you remove some pallets, they have absolutely no safety
@AK_2k1 and with so many god pallets, they drop them early. There's no looping to waste time, the survivors have to drop them
RPD East is more killer-sided and the West is more survivor-sided. That outside route is way stronger on the West to timewaste, the loops on the West are stronger.
I hate the MacMillan maps as a Killer, they all at the bottom right next to eyrie for me. (not shelter woods that map is ass for survivors icl).
how is gideon meat plant survivor sided? unsafe loops, small map, easy 3 gen setup, always the same layout. haven't lost a game on meat plant in like 3 months no matter the killer
no forgotten ruins , greenvile square or ormond lake mine smh
TMM, do you by any chance check nightlight statistics? I noticed your top 3 worst maps for survivors are also the ones that have the highest kill rates on nightlight.
I'm not sure if that is just because you accurately tiered maps or if you take statistics in consideration so I was curious.
No way coldwind is survivor-sided. Have you seens the new shitty tiles on those maps?
I'm fine with the maps being unbalanced if there wasn't map offerings. Then it is fair to the dbd gods. Some good some bad 😊
As a guy with over 3k hours in solo queue I'll list my thoughts starting from the top. I don't think Midwich is a bad survivor map especially after the last update. It's not bad for stealth builds and the gates are very close but otherwise I don't feel it's bad for survivor. Rotten fields is a terrible survivor map that's often portrayed as good for survivor for some reason so I'm glad someone else thinks it's awful. RPD East is a bad survivor map but West is fine as East often has a very good 3 gen and weak loops. Eyrie is overrated for survivor, I bring myself there all the time as killer and I win pretty much every game no problem. Gideon is extremely good for a lot of killers and builds and its only really pure m1 killers with no game sense that do bad on the map. Badham is absolutely the best survivor realm in the game no question. Main is strong, 2 story is strong, house of pain is strong, shack is strong, and every filler on the map is strong. However, basement hook at main and the game is often lost but that's the only real killer advantage on the map.
Edit You forgot Greenville Square which I think is a very good survivor map.
Editor needs to fix the decription...
There's no greenville or forgotten ruins
gideon is not that survivor sided lol
I honestly think shattered square is killer sided
No way the majority of the Autohaven maps are balanced 😭, blood lodge main building way too good for survivor. Fun bus loops also exist, which is unique to all Autohaven maps and is one of the best loops for surv. Wreckers yard is basically like the Rotten fields for Autohaven, just smaller, so it’d be more killer sided. Rotten fields is way too big and open to be considered killer sided. Half the killers in the roster are considered “M1” killers and have little to no mobility. So killers other than billies, nurses, blights, or even unknowns and spirits (it’s easy to track survivors through corn tbh, they move the corn) are gna have a hard time pressuring a map as big as rotten fields. Survivors will just pre run to the nearest loop when they see you coming from a mile away.
Blood lodge main building is honestly as strong as a standard tile. Chance of getting fun bus window is also not as high anymore. Autohaven isn’t as strong as it used to be
@ Blood lodge main building has 2 honestly pretty strong window variations. A second floor too to proc balanced and there’s almost always a guaranteed pallet off to the side of main that while isn’t strong, you can use to connect into much stronger loops further from main. Imo blood lodge is pretty survivor sided as a map, but the dead zones in it (like the little empty piles of scrap) make it a bit bearable for killer. As for fun bus loops. Any variation of the fun bus is pretty good no matter what, because it often spawns between two other strong loops like a jungle gym or smthn lesser like a T and L. You rarely get an isolated fun bus, it’s almost always chaining with another loop. A fun bus is not only strong for its individual looping power, but also it’s ability to chain itself between other loops.
Similar like tekken 😂😂😂
More dbd!!!
Shattered Square is survivor sided is a joke
Rancid Abbatoir is very killer sided cuase its bald map with weak main
Rancid can be mediocre to down right horrendous for survivors
Bro plays dbd???
u have to be swedish
wtf is this chat
What's up with it, I can't be arsed to rewatch this
@@switcheroo3660it's a terrible list. Dude put RPD east for survivor sided
TLDR they are all very survivor sided
no surprise here
free bt free anticamp free win maps
why even play killer at this point?
theres nothing you can do
get all sweaty and work hard for a single win when the baby survivors get ez wins thrown at you
😜Reina🤪
No reina pfp... You were supposed to destroy the gei not join em tooie!!
@@ScrambledEggAbdullah don't worry i fixed it 😉
But the game is "killer sided" 😂
Well nurse doesn't give a fk about map geometry does she?😂
@ArshiyanKhan710 it's so tiresome whenever people say "but nurse"
@@michaeldream9741 it's the same with people ranking some killers (or killer role in general) very low because "uhm actually against good SWF this killer is dogshit". Yeah because every game is a Nurse against a comp SWF
tbh if nightlight statistics is anything to go by, the most "survivor sided" map still has a 50% kill rate which means on average people get draws there, so that's really not much.
@@nayd5043 Nightlight are not official statistics and the devs have said several times not to trust them too much.