The modern reading of 666 is digital identity infrastructure, without which you'll be un-personed. It's not a massive leap from Nero Ceasar in terms of centrally controlling power structures. Very interesting stuff.
The modern mark of the beast is the barcode which was phrased in Mike Leigh's brilliant film 'Naked'. Maybe when they introduce cashless society those without credit will be denied life - outcasts.
sorry bruce and rod. i confess until bruce said otherwise i always thought the bit of running into the nun's van and got a bill for 66.66 was a pr story.
It is correct that the Number of the Beast speaks to a first century audience and alludes to Caesar Nero, and that so many push their own eschatological viewpoint onto the Biblical text. One thing in the second episode that was asked: "what is the meaning of the mark of the beast?" I have understood this (and much of Revelation) to be symbolic/apocalyptic imagery, with of course a more salient truth in front of us. Therefore, the mark of the beast intends to be aligned with your belief and behavior (forehead & hand). Also, it seems to be a parody of the mark of the Lamb found in Rev 22:4. Not surprisingly, because we see throughout Scripture that the devil twists God's words (like a twisting serpent).
The sequence of Yang blast of war and suffering and hell fire followed by so called utopias is exactly the after death, also between life visions of the Bardo state described in the so-called Tibetan Book Of The Dead. It's the natural sequence of energy phases consciousness endures, but not only for the dying. This type of writing is only correctly understood by initiates of inner disciplines. To be taken by the hallucinations of the Beast is to take materialism as true and all else false. Cultures that don't believe in reincarnation would be more prone to see the story projected at large. When most of your people practice meditation, that is particular disciplines in focusing the mind as in Zen, then the people tend to the needs of each moment with their whole being. Heart mind is key. It's a real thing, measured in sciency ways by an organization called Heart Math, and part of ancient energy training awareness. There's neurons in heart and gut. Initiates again; without training in certain arts you can only read what your culture makes available to you. With the training Revalation is one of many Tantric style texts describing processes of inner transformation that can be experienced on any level of life. Books like Pert Em Hru, only called Egyptian Book of the Dead cause found in tombs, tell of ways to center the mind with prayers and devotion. So as to keep the 3 brains aligned and tuned, and not fall into bitching and moaning and cursing your world with your foul energy. Taking this home, it's those who fear their own personal demise who make the most noise about this or that happening out in the world. That's most of us. Look at how easy most of us are to fool with whatever fear drum the media beats.
Rime Of The Ancient Mariner is one heavy metal song, and Romantic epic poem that goes through the moves. It takes a human initiate from an arrogant ignorance to wise elder. Recovering love of Nature took a revelation for him, a descent into Hell before the beauty of Nature could impress upon him another level of sense making. The key to these texts is in being able to go through transformations with all senses open, instead of just going blind and checking out when something intense happens.
Apo-calypso: away! Uncover it! The removal of the covering. Agreement about the literal interpretations. That's what I'm talking about. Lack of 'initiation' into certain disciplines tends to keep one from seeing through the symbols to multiple levels of interpretation. The standard education still instills mostly obedience, not the skills to read symbols, and Tantric meditation guide books.
Full volume heavy metal music, onstage and blasting is one way to do the Tantric discipline. And then after the blast a nice rest in a peaceful setting, dark and quiet. Yin, yang. To keep the stillness of focus to sing like Mr. Dickinson in the storm of sound of Iron Maiden is a kung fu. One cannot still sing if one's mind is elsewhere. The throat is delicate, the singer has to be present in a way the other instrumentalists can't fathom. Finger and stick are crude compared to the little tiny movements in vocal folds, keeping the roof of the mouth open so as not to squash the harmonics that clarify speech and brighten the tone to soar above roaring guitars, thundering smashing drums and cymbals, and the galloping bass. This is what these texts talk about; to be in spot like that and not lose your focus. It's kung fu. That's what Kung Fu is.
have been a maiden fan since early 80s, so feels hard to contradict Bruce...but...sorry bruce, the year 2000 bug was purely a techno issue...in that I don't recall anyone at the time positing it as some apocalyptic issue (in terms of conflating it with a religious/spiritual thing)...was only an issue from a tech point of view with regard to the way computer processors at the time handled dates (ie the years was only parsed as a 2 digit figure)...and as such, there was a tech-based worry about what would happen at a computer-to-computer interaction level where one system could potentially mis-interpret a 00 year reference and, as a result, do something unexpected (and specifically flight control was considered a major potential problem...as you, surely, would know!) Anyway...that aside, great podcast!!! And looking forward to seeing you and Eddie and the boys again soon!!!
Besides "planes falling out of the skies", there were definitely talks of all the nukes around the world launching simultaneously. Hence, the apocalyptic undertone.
But, hang on, the point I think that Bruce seems to make (erroneously...sorry Bruce!) was a conflation of the spiritual tone of the conversation re: end of the world/apocalyptic end times with the whole Y2K thing which he specifically referenced...the worry about which was really only tech related (was not seen at the time as some divine finger wagging spanking)...was related to the behaviour of planes, trains, automobiles, banking, etc...including nukes, as you mention...as opposed to being a biblical/religious end of times...
My new favorite podcast! Interesting content, and the hosts really deliver a fun conversation!
The modern reading of 666 is digital identity infrastructure, without which you'll be un-personed. It's not a massive leap from Nero Ceasar in terms of centrally controlling power structures. Very interesting stuff.
Do I think Bruce refers to the song Arc Of Space mentioning the lyrics 'Perhaps again next year' rather than Omega?
Gosh I have been waiting so long for this!
Excellent stuff, thank you guys.
I am a catholic and a Maiden fan!
Me too
JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY WAY 🙏
Have you ever attended Mass in an Iron Maiden T-shirt?
Loving this
Excellent
That was so interesting, I loved it! Can't wait for next episode, I would like so much to have you 2 for dinner one of these days!
The modern mark of the beast is the barcode which was phrased in Mike Leigh's brilliant film 'Naked'. Maybe when they introduce cashless society those without credit will be denied life - outcasts.
Amazing can't wait for the next episode
Good morning from Greece :)) !!
I've got a t shirt somewhere had it for years, black printed in white 667 Neighbour of the Beast bought it at a tattoo convention
The greatest novel ever written in my eyes ( not that I’ve read it). To many variations for me to believe in.
Read it
@@xXUrObOrOSXx Book of Lies.
@@Thirdfish yea whatever you say
@@xXUrObOrOSXx Prove me wrong?
The Doom At The End Of The World!!! Great phrase!!!! A little too much like The Doom That Came To Sarnath, but should be a Maiden song title :-)
love this guys, there was a bus route from Faversham to Ashford number 666
Very good thanx and now we now it was Nero 🤣🤣🤣🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
sorry bruce and rod. i confess until bruce said otherwise i always thought the bit of running into the nun's van and got a bill for 66.66 was a pr story.
It is correct that the Number of the Beast speaks to a first century audience and alludes to Caesar Nero, and that so many push their own eschatological viewpoint onto the Biblical text. One thing in the second episode that was asked: "what is the meaning of the mark of the beast?" I have understood this (and much of Revelation) to be symbolic/apocalyptic imagery, with of course a more salient truth in front of us. Therefore, the mark of the beast intends to be aligned with your belief and behavior (forehead & hand). Also, it seems to be a parody of the mark of the Lamb found in Rev 22:4. Not surprisingly, because we see throughout Scripture that the devil twists God's words (like a twisting serpent).
The sequence of Yang blast of war and suffering and hell fire followed by so called utopias is exactly the after death, also between life visions of the Bardo state described in the so-called Tibetan Book Of The Dead. It's the natural sequence of energy phases consciousness endures, but not only for the dying. This type of writing is only correctly understood by initiates of inner disciplines. To be taken by the hallucinations of the Beast is to take materialism as true and all else false. Cultures that don't believe in reincarnation would be more prone to see the story projected at large. When most of your people practice meditation, that is particular disciplines in focusing the mind as in Zen, then the people tend to the needs of each moment with their whole being. Heart mind is key. It's a real thing, measured in sciency ways by an organization called Heart Math, and part of ancient energy training awareness. There's neurons in heart and gut. Initiates again; without training in certain arts you can only read what your culture makes available to you. With the training Revalation is one of many Tantric style texts describing processes of inner transformation that can be experienced on any level of life. Books like Pert Em Hru, only called Egyptian Book of the Dead cause found in tombs, tell of ways to center the mind with prayers and devotion. So as to keep the 3 brains aligned and tuned, and not fall into bitching and moaning and cursing your world with your foul energy. Taking this home, it's those who fear their own personal demise who make the most noise about this or that happening out in the world. That's most of us. Look at how easy most of us are to fool with whatever fear drum the media beats.
Rime Of The Ancient Mariner is one heavy metal song, and Romantic epic poem that goes through the moves. It takes a human initiate from an arrogant ignorance to wise elder. Recovering love of Nature took a revelation for him, a descent into Hell before the beauty of Nature could impress upon him another level of sense making. The key to these texts is in being able to go through transformations with all senses open, instead of just going blind and checking out when something intense happens.
Apo-calypso: away! Uncover it! The removal of the covering. Agreement about the literal interpretations. That's what I'm talking about. Lack of 'initiation' into certain disciplines tends to keep one from seeing through the symbols to multiple levels of interpretation. The standard education still instills mostly obedience, not the skills to read symbols, and Tantric meditation guide books.
Full volume heavy metal music, onstage and blasting is one way to do the Tantric discipline. And then after the blast a nice rest in a peaceful setting, dark and quiet. Yin, yang. To keep the stillness of focus to sing like Mr. Dickinson in the storm of sound of Iron Maiden is a kung fu. One cannot still sing if one's mind is elsewhere. The throat is delicate, the singer has to be present in a way the other instrumentalists can't fathom. Finger and stick are crude compared to the little tiny movements in vocal folds, keeping the roof of the mouth open so as not to squash the harmonics that clarify speech and brighten the tone to soar above roaring guitars, thundering smashing drums and cymbals, and the galloping bass. This is what these texts talk about; to be in spot like that and not lose your focus. It's kung fu. That's what Kung Fu is.
year what about seventh son of a seventh son ? Bruce knows all the diabolic Numbers. 23:58 ??? :-)
have been a maiden fan since early 80s, so feels hard to contradict Bruce...but...sorry bruce, the year 2000 bug was purely a techno issue...in that I don't recall anyone at the time positing it as some apocalyptic issue (in terms of conflating it with a religious/spiritual thing)...was only an issue from a tech point of view with regard to the way computer processors at the time handled dates (ie the years was only parsed as a 2 digit figure)...and as such, there was a tech-based worry about what would happen at a computer-to-computer interaction level where one system could potentially mis-interpret a 00 year reference and, as a result, do something unexpected (and specifically flight control was considered a major potential problem...as you, surely, would know!)
Anyway...that aside, great podcast!!! And looking forward to seeing you and Eddie and the boys again soon!!!
Besides "planes falling out of the skies", there were definitely talks of all the nukes around the world launching simultaneously. Hence, the apocalyptic undertone.
@@Michael_Dolences. Yes, That is true also...
But, hang on, the point I think that Bruce seems to make (erroneously...sorry Bruce!) was a conflation of the spiritual tone of the conversation re: end of the world/apocalyptic end times with the whole Y2K thing which he specifically referenced...the worry about which was really only tech related (was not seen at the time as some divine finger wagging spanking)...was related to the behaviour of planes, trains, automobiles, banking, etc...including nukes, as you mention...as opposed to being a biblical/religious end of times...
so only 'apocalyptic' in the same way that 'awesome' now means good...
but only added this reply as an interesting conversation on an interesting topic...not trying to be petty or diss anyone or criticise...
This was most enjoyable, is revelation actually written on behalf of Christ rather than he himself....🤔.......
MAIDEEEEEEEN!!!
Fora Bolsonaro!
God I hope you're wrong about this but I don't like good chances
Invite Dr William Lane Craig or Olavo de Carvalho for a chat