Did you know that back in the day, film companies used to sell pre-cut lengths of film to be loaded by the user into their own cassettes? Leica and Nikon used to make re-useable film cassettes just for the purpose. So what is stopping you from selling that ORWO film precut, sealed inside a lightproof wrapper for people like me to load? You wouldn't have to source cassettes, you wouldn't need to print any labels, just cut the film to length, wrap it up and sell it. You could do the same for 120 format, let customers supply their own spools and backing paper. Pricing - not sure I would want to pay more than £4 per refill, since I can buy Fomapan for that price, but if the quality of the film is better, and you can make a profit, then best of luck to you.
I'm doing something like this - and there is no problem :) - In 35mm / UN54 / N75 / TF12D / TC27 / Kodak Vision 5222 several types, of Vision as well as the UN54 aka Lomography Potsdam in 120. :)
Hi. Thank you for being so open and candid with your video. It's a shame that ORWO wasn't as popular as it seems to be now, because selling at £5.50 is far cheaper that Lomo or Street Candy. Nick & Trick in the UK take on the hand rolling and distribution of ORWO, Kodak Vision and Fuji motiin picture films and manage to do it at a reasonable cost to the consumer. ORWO is one of my favourites and it's a shame you're not still selling as I'd definitely purchase from you. Kosmofoto do much the same with Foma in great CCCP inspired packaging but keep the price down and it seems to be a total success story for them.
I have some experience dealing with ORWO, and they're incredibly incompetent. Dealing with them is a nightmare, trying to buy their film is really difficult even with the relatively new store. I think this is a big contributor to the lack of ORWO film available from third party sellers.
Thank you for breaking down and sharing your experience! To me it was really interesting to get to know this. Especially about the posibility to buy orwo bulk film. Propably I will try this just for private purposes. I am using bulk film all the time spooling it up in complete darkness without filmloader. But it is a bunch of work doing this for a larger amount of film so I can understand your struggle really well.
Kind of sad that it didn't work out well enough. I bought last year 10 rolls, and got some left in the fridge. I enjoy the look and feel of the film. But you learned some things in the process. I think I will buy a bulk loader and order a 100 meter roll, it's more economical if I want to shoot more black and white, and that will happen, because I said I want to shoot more in 2020.. Thanks for the informative video!
I love your channel, just FYI. It's interesting that your last two posts read my mind. I had this idea and I may still try it...but with caution. I figured that anyone would run into those issues - the quality control and complaints about pricing. I'm sorry you had to go through the torture.
@@SoExpired hey, so I’ve been bulk loading and shooting ORWO for the last year thanks to seeing your video. Have you ever done a one stop push on UN54 and can you recommend a specific developer and time combo? I’ve read guides suggesting just multiply developing time by 1.5 on average but I suspect that’s too long!
Yeah, this is the problem that some people think that films like that should be cheap. That is why I buy 30.5 bulk loadings and put it into canisters by myself. Unfortunately analogue photography is not cheap. Try to fid more people like me, who do most of the job on their own -- then you have to split the reel into shorter lenghts. It's easy to say but 305 meters of orwo lf-10 is something about 500 euro or so.
Were you using 100ft rolls or something like a 1000ft roll..? If you're using the really long rolls how were you then loading your Bulk Spool...? I'm quite interested in getting a long roll of the N75 from ORWO, but not sure how to manage then respooling to 100ft before spooling to 35mm x 36 rolls...
Wish I had known, I would have bought from you and not argued about the price. I hate cheapskates and people who don't value someone else's time. Sad, as I know how committed you are to film. I missed out :(.
Interesting experience. Well, if there already is pre-rolled ORWO film in the form of Lomography Kino, good for everyone, right? Yes, it's not as affordable as say HP5, but for trying it might be good. One might like this and order big spools from filmotec for themselves. But in 120 that would be difficult because of all the cutting. All that being said, I don't really understand how someone would laugh at you for selling a roll for 4€! That's a bargain for hand rolled stuff. It's not like that's your average low quality film as well. I would happily have tried a few rolls even for 5 or 6€ each. That's still cheaper than Potsdam or Berlin Kino.
Lomography announced Berlin and Potsdam right when I was ready to ship :) I'd go for 120 as a fun engineering project, but the minimum amount they sell is way too much and wasteful also. You will end up with a bunch of 10mm stripes that could be used had they not slit the master roll
A few months ago I went through something similar but with color motion picture film from Kodak and I agree with you that dealing with "customers" in such low volume is complicated, some show interest and simply disappear leaving stock idle and resulting in a lot waste of time. In my case I was dealing with expired film so the question of quality is not so critical since the use has a more experimental character and also i got for cheaper soo i was able to sell for a low price which helped. About 120 even if was already cutted to size I think is quite a lot o of work. I would consider doing something like that maybe with Ortho film under safelight. Anyway congratulations on your initiative trying to share and at least now you have a lot of film for your personal use!
3:35 It is good idea but DX will not work, it is because there is no metalic contact to the canister base.
Did you know that back in the day, film companies used to sell pre-cut lengths of film to be loaded by the user into their own cassettes? Leica and Nikon used to make re-useable film cassettes just for the purpose. So what is stopping you from selling that ORWO film precut, sealed inside a lightproof wrapper for people like me to load? You wouldn't have to source cassettes, you wouldn't need to print any labels, just cut the film to length, wrap it up and sell it. You could do the same for 120 format, let customers supply their own spools and backing paper. Pricing - not sure I would want to pay more than £4 per refill, since I can buy Fomapan for that price, but if the quality of the film is better, and you can make a profit, then best of luck to you.
I'm doing something like this - and there is no problem :) - In 35mm / UN54 / N75 / TF12D / TC27 / Kodak Vision 5222 several types, of Vision as well as the UN54 aka Lomography Potsdam in 120. :)
Hi. Thank you for being so open and candid with your video. It's a shame that ORWO wasn't as popular as it seems to be now, because selling at £5.50 is far cheaper that Lomo or Street Candy. Nick & Trick in the UK take on the hand rolling and distribution of ORWO, Kodak Vision and Fuji motiin picture films and manage to do it at a reasonable cost to the consumer. ORWO is one of my favourites and it's a shame you're not still selling as I'd definitely purchase from you. Kosmofoto do much the same with Foma in great CCCP inspired packaging but keep the price down and it seems to be a total success story for them.
I have some experience dealing with ORWO, and they're incredibly incompetent. Dealing with them is a nightmare, trying to buy their film is really difficult even with the relatively new store. I think this is a big contributor to the lack of ORWO film available from third party sellers.
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Super interesting. Thanks! And good luck from Canada.
Thank you for breaking down and sharing your experience! To me it was really interesting to get to know this. Especially about the posibility to buy orwo bulk film. Propably I will try this just for private purposes. I am using bulk film all the time spooling it up in complete darkness without filmloader. But it is a bunch of work doing this for a larger amount of film so I can understand your struggle really well.
Kind of sad that it didn't work out well enough. I bought last year 10 rolls, and got some left in the fridge. I enjoy the look and feel of the film.
But you learned some things in the process.
I think I will buy a bulk loader and order a 100 meter roll, it's more economical if I want to shoot more black and white, and that will happen, because I said I want to shoot more in 2020..
Thanks for the informative video!
It really shines because you can roll as many frames as you want. Say, 12 exposures roll for experiments. Happy 2020 shooting film and thank you!
I love your channel, just FYI. It's interesting that your last two posts read my mind. I had this idea and I may still try it...but with caution. I figured that anyone would run into those issues - the quality control and complaints about pricing. I'm sorry you had to go through the torture.
Thank you! On the other hand the Kosmos film seems to figure that out. So it's possible to make it more successful :)
@@SoExpired hey, so I’ve been bulk loading and shooting ORWO for the last year thanks to seeing your video. Have you ever done a one stop push on UN54 and can you recommend a specific developer and time combo? I’ve read guides suggesting just multiply developing time by 1.5 on average but I suspect that’s too long!
Same experience here with the Kodak 5222. i stoped to roll for others
Yeah, this is the problem that some people think that films like that should be cheap. That is why I buy 30.5 bulk loadings and put it into canisters by myself. Unfortunately analogue photography is not cheap. Try to fid more people like me, who do most of the job on their own -- then you have to split the reel into shorter lenghts. It's easy to say but 305 meters of orwo lf-10 is something about 500 euro or so.
how much was the 70mm rolls?
Were you using 100ft rolls or something like a 1000ft roll..? If you're using the really long rolls how were you then loading your Bulk Spool...? I'm quite interested in getting a long roll of the N75 from ORWO, but not sure how to manage then respooling to 100ft before spooling to 35mm x 36 rolls...
Hey Matthew, I bought a 400 ft reel. Then would just cut a batch in a changing bag that fits the bulk loader and stash the rest.
Damn that's sad. The community suck bro, they rather be lied too and pay more than support the small guy
Wish I had known, I would have bought from you and not argued about the price. I hate cheapskates and people who don't value someone else's time. Sad, as I know how committed you are to film. I missed out :(.
Interesting experience. Well, if there already is pre-rolled ORWO film in the form of Lomography Kino, good for everyone, right? Yes, it's not as affordable as say HP5, but for trying it might be good. One might like this and order big spools from filmotec for themselves. But in 120 that would be difficult because of all the cutting.
All that being said, I don't really understand how someone would laugh at you for selling a roll for 4€! That's a bargain for hand rolled stuff. It's not like that's your average low quality film as well. I would happily have tried a few rolls even for 5 or 6€ each. That's still cheaper than Potsdam or Berlin Kino.
Lomography announced Berlin and Potsdam right when I was ready to ship :) I'd go for 120 as a fun engineering project, but the minimum amount they sell is way too much and wasteful also. You will end up with a bunch of 10mm stripes that could be used had they not slit the master roll
A few months ago I went through something similar but with color motion picture film from Kodak and I agree with you that dealing with "customers" in such low volume is complicated, some show interest and simply disappear leaving stock idle and resulting in a lot waste of time.
In my case I was dealing with expired film so the question of quality is not so critical since the use has a more experimental character and also i got for cheaper soo i was able to sell for a low price which helped.
About 120 even if was already cutted to size I think is quite a lot o of work. I would consider doing something like that maybe with Ortho film under safelight.
Anyway congratulations on your initiative trying to share and at least now you have a lot of film for your personal use!
Sorry it didn't work out.
this video made me really sad :(
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