In the Comics, Odin and Zeus did have a benevolent relationship and would sometimes call on one another for aid. They didn't hang out together like war buddies but did share common interests.
Zeus seemed to be a clown at first, but the after credits showed the effects of his decisions to what happens when he dropped his guard, doesn't take things serious. He is serious now after getting stabbed, and doesn't seem to want to host another ....party.... due to his wrath. Can't wait to see what Hercules does
It’s too bad they didn’t show Zeus as someone similar to Odin as well as Thor. One that controls lightning and environmental elements similar to Thore while being wise as strong like Odin. That way this interaction would’ve been much more fantastic.
Odin acted like an actual king. He always did what was best for his people no matter the cost. Always took his responsibilities very seriously. Zeus is a joke... nothing but a hedonistic bum. Zeus is the kind of king who sits on his throne while soldiers die in his name on the battlefield... Odin's the kind of king who stands on the front lines with his soldiers while those who perish do so in the name of their kingdom. Zeus is a ruler while Odin was a leader. I can see the animosity. Odin was loved while Zeus "was" feared.
Considering that no one or atleast not alot of people still worship the Greek or any of the other God probably the reason why they are out of touch. Like if these gods are waiting for human to pray to them to act then they will be waiting a long time sense no one worship them anymore so they are not going to help them.
He has always been, even in the mythology (not Disney bs). he was only at his peak during the time he usurp his own father, Cronos. and that was with the help of many other gods. these gods were warriors, not wise rulers. So after the wars, they mostly became tyrants who indulge themselves in pleasures. Forget taking away suffering, they become the cause of suffering themselves.
@@Underworlddream there was one who is currently being worshipped by billions but still refuses to help his people, even a planetary annihilation level threat. Of all the recent threats of that magnitude, The Carpenter should've helped stopped Thanos's invasions.
@@shawn092182In a comic book a Catholic priest (Or Christian IDK) brings that up to Thor and Thor have no answer for him of whether or not he is a real God or is there only one true God
I know people have not enjoyed Thor love an thunder but you gotta admit the expanse of the gods of the mcu is pretty sick An that post credit scene with Zeus an Hercules is really interesting to me for the future
Odin was not so benevolent. One moment he's telling Loki they're not gods, but the next he's calling humans mortals and acting as if they were inferior.
Olympians and asgardians are considered gods..BUT... odin and zeus are SKYFATHER level meaning that they are the fathers of their respective pantheon of gods
The main diffeerence i saw between Zeus and Thor is that the power of Norse Gods is their power not because of the worship of the people but Zeus on the other hand feed on the prayers and offerings made to him by his followers or mortals
Obviously happened due to clashes of leadership… both are dominant strong gods, and either one wanted to be a leader for the city. I’m assuming this is why they just never seen eye to eye !
!GOD OF WAR DEBATE! Join my comment to enter :) i bet they chilled all the time, but when oden had some character development zeus prob shunned him for being a dork caring about all this righteous rule and compassion and what not. zues seems to be stuck in his glory days. and doesn't seem very affected by the hole in his chest either which im glad of since comic zeus is supposed to be above even oden in scope of power.
Actually Odin and Zeus are stated many times and shown many times to essentially be equals in the comics just like Thor and Hercules have been shown to be essentially equals. They are supposed to be the yin to the others yang
@@johnmarshallbreuer4890 I'm inclined to agree, however, now that Odin is out of the picture, Thor gets the full power of the "Odin Force" and would outclass Hercules on the battlefield currently. Unless Zeus passes away from his injuries, then they'd be on an even keel for a 1 on 1 matchup.
@@TheWolfMatt i was talking strictly comic books it’s very hard to take things from the comics and put them in the MCU because it works extremely differently and while Odin was alive we didn’t see him do much and the stuff we’ve seen thor do with the odinforce while impressive in MCU standard isn’t really that impressive overall and he hasn’t really shown any of those “hax abilities” that come with the odinforce the other thing is I took it more as Zeus was surprised by how strong Thor is now and wasn’t expecting him to catch the thunderbolt and throw is back kind of like how in Star Wars Darth maul didn’t expect obi want to jump above him and was cocky and got filleted. Zeus said he hasn’t seen an asgardian since Odin died so at the very least last time he saw Thor was pre awakening in Ragnarok. Thor is clearly much stronger since then. Id say Zeus was caught off guard. But probably Hercules will be on Thor’s level because Zeus has to recover and doesn’t care to fight Thor himself who knows maybe Thor will trash both in the same film. I’m not really sure none of us are but I wouldn’t say Thor is necessarily above them because he caught Zeus off guard. The man took one of the universes most powerful weapons through the center of his chest where his heart should be and was eating grapes and walking around like he just had some bruises after falling off a bike.
Look, it's simple. The last time Odin hung out with Zeus, Zeus could in fact, not hard enough and that was it, hatred from then on. In the interim, Zeus massively upped his flick game which led to Thor getting unintentionally butt naked during Love and Thunder.
There is too many plotholes concerning Odin in the MCU. Odin deserves an origin movie or television series to explain. Who else have this thought about it? I believe Odin drank from the fountain of truth revealing everything to him that is why he didn't do anything to change the future.
Well one thing we do know is that based off the comic book The celestials told all the sky fathers not to be involved with mankind to the degree that they were before so that could be a reason why all the gods are not as engaged with the human race. I know that's not the MCU but that would be a good way to connect the celestials and why the gods are absent.
@@shawn092182 it could be but then again, the mcu is somewhat different compared to the comics. Maybe they have the gods equal to celestials in the mcu, but in the comics, celestials are a level above skyfathers.
The theory doesn't make sense since if you put into the account what happened in Eternals and Moon Knight, the Gods left so that humans can evolve. Zues also let the Eternals be a representative of the Pantheon of Greek Gods, on the premise that the Eternals help the Humans. In exchange the Gods will stop meddling with Humans. In my opinion, the Asgardians are the ones who cannot resist meddling with humans - holding to their place as Gods.
The funny thing about that is the Olympians are more Gods than the Asgardians. Asgardians are considered interdimensional beings while Olympians are descendants of the Elder gods.
@@DJ-vk4rp Asgardians are also descendants of the Elder gods. All the earth pantheons from Norse, Greek, Egyptian, Hindu, Aztec, Celtic, Shinto etc are all the same type of genuine gods and beings, and all descend from the Elder gods of earth. Alien pantheons descend from alien Elder gods too. The exception is the Eternals of course, as they are just superpowered immortal humans with cosmic energy that were mistaken for gods, but aren't actually gods.
@@nordboer5684 have to read up more on that. I thought even alien gods were descended from Earth Elder gods. Wasn't it when the Demiurge started destroying the gods their power started getting spread across the universe? And that's how alien Gods was created? I know in Marvel Earth is supposed to be the center of the universe
@@DJ-vk4rp Demogorge is also an earth specific deity. He was an Elder god created to destroy the corrupt Elder gods as Demogorge the gode-eater, then afterwards went into the sun to become reborn, and become the Egyptian god Ra, who then went on to create the Egyptian gods, including his son Khonshu.
As much as I always retain positivity and love for all Marvel Movies, I wish they made Zeus look like his God of War version and treat Gorr like how his God of War counterpart treats his own son Kratos after being infected by Fear. Minus the betraying of his family and fellow Olympians. But am indeed excited to see Marvel's Hercules in theaters. At least he isn't physically disappointing.
Nah. Zeus should look and Act like His Marvel Comics Counterpart and Also Gow Zeus Acted Differently Pre Kratos opening Pandora's Box as Stated by Hepheatus in Gow 3 and also if you see how he acts in Gow 1.
Their difference is odin is not arrogant while zues is a arrogant that even his brother he them to vow on his knees while odin just want a peacful realm..
The Norse and Greeks are two different ways of understanding the world. Valhalla vs science (Greeks were precursors to science). One day Valhalla vs science vs sacrifice (christianity).
@@carlosdanielsouza9017 So was Odin. Odin and Zeus are the head of councils of God. It is just that their interests collided after Odin decided to change and Odin left
@@islammehmeov2334 your incorrect. But please provide real fact and I'll be more than willing to read them. Not woke bs but real facts. Prove it to me 🤔. Look dude let's do this properly.
@@carlosfontanez1835 Woke BS? It's a pretty well-known story. There have been plays, movies, and operas about it. Here's the wikipedia page with links to a bunch of other sources: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iphigenia
Its simple the city didnt exist in the MCU until Thor Love and Thunder came out. So their really nothing to speculate about. It doesnt exist in the MCU until they write it.
I seen some people point out that the old gods are not really worship anymore so helping people would be very imitated sense they have no worshiper to help.
I'm surprised they didn't follow The avengers cartoon and have Hercules come in as one of the guess you would call him be squad adventures while the a squad avengers were lost
Oden was a bad god for a while over throwing worlds before he got old and chill. At least Zeus wasn’t ruling 9 realms he was just chilling hanging and god orgys! 😂
I think Omnipotence City is a really stupid idea, but to respond to the idea of why Zeus and Odin hate each other, it's probably because Waititi made Thor into a Zeus fanboy. Thor wishes Zeus was his father instead of Odin. Way to ruin things Waititi.
@@Alibajouk6 Watch the movie, Karen. Thor was acting like a teenage girl at a Justin Bieber concert. Waititi didn't save the character. He turned Thor into a parody of himself. I went in expecting Star Wars and ended up with Spaceballs. I love Spaceballs, but not when it's billed as Star Wars.
Maybe they didn’t hate each other, maybe what you’re looking at in the movie is just the result of what the writer felt like writing and what the audience would accept.
@@FULANODETAL mcu is filled with flaws, "are you Thor God of hammers" Odin was telling loki that because of the events of the 1st avengers movie. Asgardieans are actually gods. Small g but still.
I would have liked to have seen Odin Fight zeus in single combat and see how the Odin Force has been Compared with the power level of Fighting Galactus
If we go by the comic book version of these two, they did not have any problems with each other and that’s a fact. if you want to go buy the MCU version of these two guys, there’s nothing saying that they did not get along with each other. So what we have here is a video based on somebody’s opinion after reaching for something that’s not there, but have fun watching.
Well yea Odin is definitely better then Zeus , he is a much better person , wiser most likely too . Would love for Zeus to finally have his realization ,change of heart a little .
The MCU is a bit of a mess in my opinion. This was always likely to happen the more they added characters and arcs to the overall narrative. When you think back to the first Thor film for example, you'd think the Asgardians were the only 'god' like beings in the universe and such things like the Eternals, Zeus, The Celestials, Omnipotent City and Kang non-existent or just myths at best. The more the MCU moves forward with its expansion, the more it actually undermines what's come before. There have been so many plot holes, things left unexplained or eve explained away badly, that I've just lost complete interest in the MCU now.
Odin is better he has a laser spear that is more powerful than the power stone. Zeus is just an older Maximus Decimus Meridius spending his afterlife after his death from Arthur Fleck’s poisoned dagger
Ben No he’s not!!! There’s really no comparison with Zeus, according to myth Zeus is the father of the gods. Zeus is mischievous yes, but Odín is as well, Zeus also protects and does justice same as Odín, in terms of the best mythological god Zeus reigns as the best. Of course this is only myth, there’s only God and that’s Jehova. But in myth Zeus is the most famous one. I know, I’m a writer myself that wrote my own universe, had to stop it because of my convictions and my beliefs.
He died and hella was tearing up Asgard no s*** they're not going to be there, then as Asgard was destroyed and they had to move to Earth then thanos showed up and screwed everything up.... that's why they weren't there
So valkarie is considered a GOD , is all Asgardian considered the same , like zues pantheon cause every body that lives on Olympis is immortal or very very long lived look at zues he even looks like he's younger than Odin and he is actually alot older
Why is because Odin is a benevolent king while Zeus only cares about throwing parties and having fun instead of helping those in need. Like tony stark but tony helps as a hero and billionaire.
In the comics I believe the gods are part of the same energy that celestials come from they are just smaller energy balls which became the gods. I don’t think the snap would affect them so I doubt they care all that much
This would be a plausible theory. If Valkery weren't Loki. Loki switched with Valkery in Ragnarock because he knew ragnarock would lead to his neck being snapped. Loki exists like a schrodeingers cat on the main timeline he's simultaneously the loki from the end of the first Thor movie who falls into the devils anus to Sakaar and he is also the Loki who has met Morbius and Sykvie because of his ability to enchant in ragnarock via valkeries flashback fight scene with Hela. Loki has obtained all the information he needs to accurately portray his love Sylvies greatest desire and thereby his as well. Sylvies crime to the timeline was that she admired the valkery which would had led her on the path of the hero. Thor also admires the valkery and set out to become one leading him down the heros path. Loki stealing Valkeries identity plays to his villainous role while simultaneously getting him Thors instant respect and once again gets Thor to give him the keys to leading the people as king as a refugee on Earth without any of the drawbacks of being a Loki and staying clear of the TVA. Most of the scenes in Thor Love and Thunder corroborate my theory. including the scene in which Zeus flicks off thors clothes to reveal a memoriam tattoo on thors back of loki. And it even appears to be what gains valkery/lokis interest in the moment. That said because Loki both dies and doesn't die on the refugee ship at Thanos hands this also means that simultaneously Valkery is really there and it was Loki who died in one iteration of the universe. Loki appears to be following a script written by kang as to avoid detection and he does so by utilizing the existing events on the sacred timeline via the recordings at the TVA. most likely a plot point in Loki season two yet to be explored. If you lay out the rules and formula each film follows and repeats with some ad lib you begin to realize Marvel is making a commentary on the cyclical nature of these gods who are destined to be an epitome of themselves in infinite reincarnations throughout the multiverse. In fact there many ways Loki escapes Thanos clutches. in the loki series we met an iteration of the character who drifted disguised as debri through space. his crime to his "sacred" timeline being that he tried to leave after having too much loneliness after his Kang determined isolation. What's even more interesting though is the fact that loki is also the God of survival and in a way the rebirth of the universe/multiverse. It took a connected series of events from multiple universes for loki to get beyond the veil at the end of time. all so Sylvie could murder he who remains and set forth the reincarnation of other universes that ultimately lead to the rebirth of Loki variants to help Loki. This apparently is what makes a sacred timeline sacred. it must be responsible for its own reincarnation. It is this fact that makes the infinity war truly infinite. This is also the reason why Strange had to view so many timelines to find one where the avengers win. Thanos himself is playing the timeloop game and this is all centered around the events of ragnarock. Hela must die. Thanos must die twice. one old man fulfilling his destiny. A young man dying at Tonies hands knowing what it's like to lose and feeling so desperately that he should have won. This is the reason Thanos knows Tony in infinity war. He knows he loses to this Tony shortly after they kill him. It is this fact that makes Thanos work complete and that it always will be. he actually is partially responsible for the multiple iterations of the universe in part. All of these variations stem from the focal point of the attach on new York. this is where new universes apparently begin according to Dr selvig In the first Avengers. the wormhole plays with causality. we don't know to what point in spacetime a doorway was opened utilizing the tesseract. It does appear the mind stone used was from an alternate future as it came with visions of the Scarlett witch and a universe in which the avengers died. It also appears that Thanos after defeating the avengers is rebuffed from his mistress death and sets out to dominate the multiverse by setting the events in motion that would irradicate 50% of all existence not just in the universe. not just trillions. but 50 percent of infinity. It always amazes me that all these outlets fail to use the same kind of critical thinking that the writers of these stories do. why speculate with hear say when there are plot and dialogue points leading the way like a trail of stars. I may not know how they will present these ideas on screen yet but u do know they are coming. Thanos series is coming. I'm assuming after Lokis character arc starts to wrap up. There's a lot to unpack in the MCU. It's all the deep end.
I kinda agree. But the worm hole had The chitari Army Waiting , there next to or ready to go do Thanos , dirty work. So the tesseract was just the space stone that opened a port or just like the Bi frost , it just sends you from 1 place in our Universe to another. I don't see it opening as a worm hole for all time and space to jump through from another universe , and go back 2000 years. To start reaking havoc, as does he who remains , or any Variant of Cang
@@Tow_Sr. ah but that's where your wrong lol! just kidding, I'll elaborate on my theory to see if I can sway the stones are linked and inform eaches power set. Loki utilized the mind stone to open a wormhole with the tesseract. Which in all other forms of Sci fi like interstellar is a way to exchange information or even individuals to the past. In Marvel if the mind stone can be utilized in tandem with the tesseract it means that Loki took professor Xavier trick to the next level. he went backwards into the recesses of his own memory to connect to a point in time in which he originated after he is thrown to an alternate universe via sylvie. which means he met an variant Thanos who gave him the mind stone from a variant future. one in which the avengers lost via tonies vision from the Scarlett witch. the Scarlett witch got her vision of a future self from the mind stone as well. but back to the main point space and time are connected and inform one another in physics. even in theory of relativity faster than light travel breaks causality. I don't agree with that theory for many logical reasons but this isn't about my issues on true objective renderring of time. Marvel is utilizing the infinty stones to play on the blurred lines between where physics stop and conecpets like gods and consciousness begin. playing on the idea of probabilities to different causal events. Strange uses the time stone to pure into other potential outcomes. so does Xavier. So does Thanos and even shield utilizing project insight. all are methods to which those polrojecting pick the best available outcome. the tesseract is extradimensional it is the literal embodiment of this concept. in one dimension exist singularity. in two dimensions a plane that miraculously has still nigh infinite space between. dispersal of energy solidified gives rise to injects in motion relative to one another which creates the basis for how we measure time. consciousness itself needing to exist to measure. the idea that we hallucinate and create our own realities etc. etc. it keeps going in a loop. The soul is the basis for which choices are made, the soul informs the mind, you do something that impacts your perception of the world creating a reality, your motion in sequential order is divided and measured as the passage of time. time itself is a measure of objects defined by light. Which is another topic no one ever covers. Heimdahl himself is capable of seeing an o jective universe. he sees in real time. If heimdahl was relaying on light for information and then opened an Einstein rosenbridge Thor would arrive billions of years too late. Heimdahl also can hear faster than light since he tells loki when he turned his gaze upon him he could neither see nor hear him. Lokis illusion casting also appears capable of spanning great distances to communicate in real time. Something he did when utilizing the destroyer in the first Thor movie. There are many mcguffins. One Easter egg no one ever talks about is the devils anus. Sakaar is surrounded by black holes. black holes bend space time and fold it in on itself. which means sakaar is a literal hub of doorways into different points and time in space as well. At the end of the first Thor he destroys the rainbow bridge. which then falls below asgaard into a black hole. which may be part of the reason Asgardians age slower than humans even without their armor and its blessings. It's also indicated that asgaard is in a state of perpetual bliss as though the Land itself is caught in a timeloop of perpetual motion that keeps its waterfalls flowing. Most likely one of the things Odin accomplished with the infinity stones. not to mention imbue the rai bow Bridge to act as an Einstein rosenbridge. back to the point The metal most likely used to make hemdahls station was most likely Uru. made from neutron stars. hence Banners seemingly throw away line in Sakaar when he says "that looks like a collapsing neutron star inside of an Einstein rosenbridge. meaning when the bridge was destroyed and fell into the black hole it was lodged inside and never made its way out. This is the very wormhole Thor uses to escape sakaar with Valkery/Loki to get back to asgaard and confront hela. They emerge directly under asgaard where the rainbow bridge fell. We know that the rainbow bridge bends space time because of one scene. Where hela kicks loki out of the bridge when being brought back to asgaard and seconds later does the same to Thor. When Thor catches up to Loki, Loki indicates he'd been there a few weeks or so to his first day even though they were only seconds apart. I as the audience member see a purposeful moment here. Where Loki had already established his station in Sakaar previously in the first Thor. From this vantage point Loki could have ended up in The alternate future where the avengers lost and he met Thanos and truly took up his cause as we were originally intended to believe in the first linear telling of the story. It's the Loki series that sets up what a great antihero loki is and how he's gonna do it. It's the information he receives after the battle of new York that's gonna help him rig the endgame. at some point The alternate reality that the mind stone is from is like a series of infinite swaps. It's not until age of ultron we get to see what the previous reality was. In some ways it shows the course the avengers were on without its interference on the matter. which indicates the sacred timeline is entangled in quantum terms. each universe a qubit unto its own infinitely branching into probable outcomes. Multiverses within muktiverses. playing on the ideas of sacred geometry, Schuman resonance, string theory, and the vibrations that make up the algorithm to create life. And on more grandiose scales universes would look something like mandelbraughts which also tie into the idea of a tesseract. parabolic man. On that note I'm gonna end with I really hope some song from Tool gets into Marvel. Schism or Parabola seem to mesh with some of kangs themes. sorry for the rant. I rarely catch fish with long enough attention spans to listen. My take on marvel is it takes everything from pop culture in as many facets as possible and tries to create its own theory of everything. which it does very well except it relies on particular interpretation of quantum mechanics. makes for great storytelling but ultimately blurs the lines of even determinism over free will by making both equally possible thanks to Kang. This also plays off the idea of messianic undertones of do as the one says or your existence will be erased variant. just follow the yellow brick road. I believe ultimately our Loki will agree with He who remains and strive to get back to the sacred timeline as its the only timeline he is aware of that gets to continue existing after the muktiversal war. Most likely Loki will be hugely involved with the sacred timelines rebirth. "Like the sun we will live to rise" " I assure you brother the sun will shine on us again." Loki appears to be indicating even Asgaards resurrection. I got a whole sound theory on that one too. involves secret wars and battle world new asgaard becoming asgaard etc. etc. got a secret empire theory about old man cap that's pretty solid as well. some other fun ones are how Loki is meant to viewed through Shakespearean tropes. How classical mythologies inform characters like Thanos. And one of my personal favorites is how the entity Infinity plays on the concepts of consciousness. as though we are all just aspects of one entity in meditation. something eternals also hints at. As though Tiamat is a subcategory of Infinity and his imaginings of earthlings whereas other planets with life each comprise their own category for analyzing oneself. meaning the unimind connections in etrnals was indicate the sentient life was necessary for a celestial jestation period so that it emerges sentient having lived all the lives on earth. whereas Infinity lives all the lives within a universe. And the thought that all that potential also exists within all conscious beings. for real now rant over... my kid just woke up gtg. Venmo me 5$ for the novel you just read haha.
Thor love and thunder was annoyingly enjoyable. Far from great and could’ve been better but I still had fun with this new movie. That’s how I feel about it in a nutshell.
This theory I am not on board with. They all know each other. Odin ran them their. Now Odin is dead Zeus back to thinking he the baddest along with Hercules.
after odin died hela took over and they left for earth, not to mention they got slaughtered by thanos and the snap afterwards. they've been on earth ever since. why and how would they go back to the city?
I've never done full research on Greek Mythology but I have heard stories that the Greek Gods are mostly vain assholes & the first time I watched Thor Love & Thunder was with a girl who knew a lot about Greek Mythology and she mentioned that as well so maybe Taika knew that as well and hinted it in the movie. I have done readings of Norse Mythology and if the Zeus from Marvel is somewhat accurate to mythological Zeus (as for personality) then I guess Mythological Odin & Zeus wouldn't get along either
In the Comics, Odin and Zeus did have a benevolent relationship and would sometimes call on one another for aid. They didn't hang out together like war buddies but did share common interests.
Zeus seemed to be a clown at first, but the after credits showed the effects of his decisions to what happens when he dropped his guard, doesn't take things serious.
He is serious now after getting stabbed, and doesn't seem to want to host another ....party.... due to his wrath.
Can't wait to see what Hercules does
Zeus never said Odin abandoned Omnipotence City. He actually made it sound like Odin hung out there.
This guy will get his opinion on something in traded office fact he does it all the time when he’s talking about Star Wars stuff
The brief cameos of Sam Neill, Matt Damon and Melissa McCarthy really was perfection I feel like! What an incredible trio!
I agreed
It was hilarious to say the least.
how dare you leave out luke hemsworth
@@funguy5624 lol
It’s too bad they didn’t show Zeus as someone similar to Odin as well as Thor. One that controls lightning and environmental elements similar to Thore while being wise as strong like Odin. That way this interaction would’ve been much more fantastic.
Seeing Hercules was really cool at the end.
If they do make another Thor movie. Having these two would be hilarious fun.
Hercules looked like a little Bi**h. With the heft, mass and aesthetics of Thor, Hercules looks like a pubescent teen. 😆
Odin acted like an actual king. He always did what was best for his people no matter the cost. Always took his responsibilities very seriously. Zeus is a joke... nothing but a hedonistic bum. Zeus is the kind of king who sits on his throne while soldiers die in his name on the battlefield... Odin's the kind of king who stands on the front lines with his soldiers while those who perish do so in the name of their kingdom. Zeus is a ruler while Odin was a leader. I can see the animosity. Odin was loved while Zeus "was" feared.
Odin knew Omnipotent City was a place to hide.
So Zeus is basically an out of touch old man ?
Makes sense
Considering that no one or atleast not alot of people still worship the Greek or any of the other God probably the reason why they are out of touch. Like if these gods are waiting for human to pray to them to act then they will be waiting a long time sense no one worship them anymore so they are not going to help them.
He has always been, even in the mythology (not Disney bs).
he was only at his peak during the time he usurp his own father, Cronos. and that was with the help of many other gods.
these gods were warriors, not wise rulers. So after the wars, they mostly became tyrants who indulge themselves in pleasures. Forget taking away suffering, they become the cause of suffering themselves.
@@Underworlddream there was one who is currently being worshipped by billions but still refuses to help his people, even a planetary annihilation level threat. Of all the recent threats of that magnitude, The Carpenter should've helped stopped Thanos's invasions.
@@shawn092182In a comic book a Catholic priest (Or Christian IDK) brings that up to Thor and Thor have no answer for him of whether or not he is a real God or is there only one true God
It’s be a crime to not get more info on the former relationship between Odin and Zues
everytime odin sees zues he sees his past self
the Thor Love and Thunder movie Thor has a New Lightning Weapon .
would be nice to see a fight between young odin and young zeus
I know people have not enjoyed Thor love an thunder but you gotta admit the expanse of the gods of the mcu is pretty sick
An that post credit scene with Zeus an Hercules is really interesting to me for the future
Odin chose to be a benevolent God. And Zeus is clearly going Old Testament levels of God.
Odin was not so benevolent.
One moment he's telling Loki they're not gods, but the next he's calling humans mortals and acting as if they were inferior.
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Well Odin didn’t want all mortals to fear him like Zeus does.
Zeus has always been a piece of shit. Even in Greek mythology.
odin said in thor movie than the are not GODS
@GreyJedi 2001 For better or worse , yea .If only Zeus would obtain the kind of wisdom that Odin did maybe .
Olympians and asgardians are considered gods..BUT... odin and zeus are SKYFATHER level meaning that they are the fathers of their respective pantheon of gods
The main diffeerence i saw between Zeus and Thor is that the power of Norse Gods is their power not because of the worship of the people but Zeus on the other hand feed on the prayers and offerings made to him by his followers or mortals
I'd love to see a movie on odin and hella and the wars the fought to get a true understanding of his power
Obviously happened due to clashes of leadership… both are dominant strong gods, and either one wanted to be a leader for the city. I’m assuming this is why they just never seen eye to eye !
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i bet they chilled all the time, but when oden had some character development zeus prob shunned him for being a dork caring about all this righteous rule and compassion and what not. zues seems to be stuck in his glory days. and doesn't seem very affected by the hole in his chest either which im glad of since comic zeus is supposed to be above even oden in scope of power.
Actually Odin and Zeus are stated many times and shown many times to essentially be equals in the comics just like Thor and Hercules have been shown to be essentially equals. They are supposed to be the yin to the others yang
Nope don't lie
They are portrayed equals
@@johnmarshallbreuer4890 I'm inclined to agree, however, now that Odin is out of the picture, Thor gets the full power of the "Odin Force" and would outclass Hercules on the battlefield currently. Unless Zeus passes away from his injuries, then they'd be on an even keel for a 1 on 1 matchup.
@@TheWolfMatt i was talking strictly comic books it’s very hard to take things from the comics and put them in the MCU because it works extremely differently and while Odin was alive we didn’t see him do much and the stuff we’ve seen thor do with the odinforce while impressive in MCU standard isn’t really that impressive overall and he hasn’t really shown any of those “hax abilities” that come with the odinforce the other thing is I took it more as Zeus was surprised by how strong Thor is now and wasn’t expecting him to catch the thunderbolt and throw is back kind of like how in Star Wars Darth maul didn’t expect obi want to jump above him and was cocky and got filleted. Zeus said he hasn’t seen an asgardian since Odin died so at the very least last time he saw Thor was pre awakening in Ragnarok. Thor is clearly much stronger since then. Id say Zeus was caught off guard. But probably Hercules will be on Thor’s level because Zeus has to recover and doesn’t care to fight Thor himself who knows maybe Thor will trash both in the same film. I’m not really sure none of us are but I wouldn’t say Thor is necessarily above them because he caught Zeus off guard. The man took one of the universes most powerful weapons through the center of his chest where his heart should be and was eating grapes and walking around like he just had some bruises after falling off a bike.
Well Kratos already whooped zeus and odin and Thor is next on his list.
This was a deep video. It really got the thought juices going.
I think this set of theories sounded very interesting, and I liked them.
I think the real question is why are all those gods outside of their own homes like Olympus
Look, it's simple. The last time Odin hung out with Zeus, Zeus could in fact, not hard enough and that was it, hatred from then on. In the interim, Zeus massively upped his flick game which led to Thor getting unintentionally butt naked during Love and Thunder.
There is too many plotholes concerning Odin in the MCU.
Odin deserves an origin movie or television series to explain.
Who else have this thought about it?
I believe Odin drank from the fountain of truth revealing everything to him that is why he didn't do anything to change the future.
Well one thing we do know is that based off the comic book The celestials told all the sky fathers not to be involved with mankind to the degree that they were before so that could be a reason why all the gods are not as engaged with the human race. I know that's not the MCU but that would be a good way to connect the celestials and why the gods are absent.
Nice to see someone who knows the lore.
So the two Celestials in Omnipotent City are something the residents' probation officers?
@@shawn092182 it could be but then again, the mcu is somewhat different compared to the comics. Maybe they have the gods equal to celestials in the mcu, but in the comics, celestials are a level above skyfathers.
The theory doesn't make sense since if you put into the account what happened in Eternals and Moon Knight, the Gods left so that humans can evolve. Zues also let the Eternals be a representative of the Pantheon of Greek Gods, on the premise that the Eternals help the Humans. In exchange the Gods will stop meddling with Humans.
In my opinion, the Asgardians are the ones who cannot resist meddling with humans - holding to their place as Gods.
The funny thing about that is the Olympians are more Gods than the Asgardians. Asgardians are considered interdimensional beings while Olympians are descendants of the Elder gods.
@@DJ-vk4rp Asgardians are also descendants of the Elder gods. All the earth pantheons from Norse, Greek, Egyptian, Hindu, Aztec, Celtic, Shinto etc are all the same type of genuine gods and beings, and all descend from the Elder gods of earth. Alien pantheons descend from alien Elder gods too. The exception is the Eternals of course, as they are just superpowered immortal humans with cosmic energy that were mistaken for gods, but aren't actually gods.
@@nordboer5684 have to read up more on that. I thought even alien gods were descended from Earth Elder gods.
Wasn't it when the Demiurge started destroying the gods their power started getting spread across the universe? And that's how alien Gods was created? I know in Marvel Earth is supposed to be the center of the universe
@@nordboer5684 yes you're right and it's not the Demiurge it's the demogorge I was talking about.
@@DJ-vk4rp Demogorge is also an earth specific deity. He was an Elder god created to destroy the corrupt Elder gods as Demogorge the gode-eater, then afterwards went into the sun to become reborn, and become the Egyptian god Ra, who then went on to create the Egyptian gods, including his son Khonshu.
Do you think the MCU might be headed towards Marvel's The New Gods? It certainly looks like it could be.
Why else with two egocentric King of the Gods be angry at each other?
Odin evolved from being bloody. Zeus is true to his nature. Can’t really say who live it better though.
As much as I always retain positivity and love for all Marvel Movies, I wish they made Zeus look like his God of War version and treat Gorr like how his God of War counterpart treats his own son Kratos after being infected by Fear. Minus the betraying of his family and fellow Olympians. But am indeed excited to see Marvel's Hercules in theaters. At least he isn't physically disappointing.
Nah. Zeus should look and Act like His Marvel Comics Counterpart and Also Gow Zeus Acted Differently Pre Kratos opening Pandora's Box as Stated by Hepheatus in Gow 3 and also if you see how he acts in Gow 1.
@@hurricane7727 I know. I played the Greek original God of War games.
Their difference is odin is not arrogant while zues is a arrogant that even his brother he them to vow on his knees while odin just want a peacful realm..
The Norse and Greeks are two different ways of understanding the world. Valhalla vs science (Greeks were precursors to science). One day Valhalla vs science vs sacrifice (christianity).
Cause Odin conquered the nine realms and Zeus was all being chill..... did I get it?
Yes you have any problems with that
Odin "conquered" nine realms, and Zeus conquered command of all the gods in the universe.
@@carlosdanielsouza9017 So was Odin.
Odin and Zeus are the head of councils of God.
It is just that their interests collided after Odin decided to change and Odin left
No clue but would be cool if they explored this in a movie one day!
And call that movie, "The Wonderful Wanders of O Z"
@@shawn092182 haha ya!
After watching Thor Love & Thor, I felt it the best scenes are in the trailer. Plenty of potential...
The Greek gods doesn't do humans sacrifice
O really the way the GEY greek gods demanded Agamemnon to sacrifice his child in the TROJANS WAR 🤫
@@islammehmeov2334 your incorrect. But please provide real fact and I'll be more than willing to read them. Not woke bs but real facts. Prove it to me 🤔. Look dude let's do this properly.
@@carlosfontanez1835 what to prove didn't you riding the the FUCKING ILIAD
@@carlosfontanez1835 Woke BS? It's a pretty well-known story. There have been plays, movies, and operas about it. Here's the wikipedia page with links to a bunch of other sources: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iphigenia
@@aroundight6163 wikipedia really be better
i dont hear anyone talking about this mans voice. this guys voice is going to therapy
Its simple the city didnt exist in the MCU until Thor Love and Thunder came out. So their really nothing to speculate about. It doesnt exist in the MCU until they write it.
Odin is dead that's why no Asgardian haven't been there
I seen some people point out that the old gods are not really worship anymore so helping people would be very imitated sense they have no worshiper to help.
Excellent point!
I'm surprised they didn't follow The avengers cartoon and have Hercules come in as one of the guess you would call him be squad adventures while the a squad avengers were lost
I think it's difficult to square how all these different mythologies can exist within the same comic universe.
if they hey do like in war hammer 40k than a god is like a instagram model ,,more followers made him/her more powerful..
it can be a bit confusing yes and overwhelming but they work .
The valkyrie theory definitely wouldn't have happened. She was on Sacar in exile for thouof years
Who here knows Marvelous Wave as Stupendous Wave
Oden was a bad god for a while over throwing worlds before he got old and chill. At least Zeus wasn’t ruling 9 realms he was just chilling hanging and god orgys! 😂
I don't like how they portrayed Zeus in the movie.
Zeus was based in the Zeus from Disney's Hercules TAS. I have no proof, no doubt about it either.
MCU Zeus is based on Shuumatsu no Valkyrie's Zeus.
I think Omnipotence City is a really stupid idea, but to respond to the idea of why Zeus and Odin hate each other, it's probably because Waititi made Thor into a Zeus fanboy. Thor wishes Zeus was his father instead of Odin. Way to ruin things Waititi.
Bro shut up thor didn't want zeus as his father🤦♂️did you even watch the movie 😂 waititi is great he saved the character of thor
@@Alibajouk6 Watch the movie, Karen. Thor was acting like a teenage girl at a Justin Bieber concert. Waititi didn't save the character. He turned Thor into a parody of himself. I went in expecting Star Wars and ended up with Spaceballs. I love Spaceballs, but not when it's billed as Star Wars.
Odin has only been dead for a few years
Maybe they didn’t hate each other, maybe what you’re looking at in the movie is just the result of what the writer felt like writing and what the audience would accept.
Valkyrie isn't a god, she's just Asgardian. Just saying.
Technically she is
All Asgardians are practically gods.
@@rexfordkonduah1388 only the Royal family are, other Asgardians have no "divine powers", only elevated physical stats, longevity etc.
@@rexfordkonduah1388 well no...as odin said,,the are not gods
@@FULANODETAL mcu is filled with flaws, "are you Thor God of hammers" Odin was telling loki that because of the events of the 1st avengers movie. Asgardieans are actually gods. Small g but still.
Odin probably doesn’t respect Zeus because it looks like he’s just a clown..yeah if I was Odin I would of probably wiped out the other
Gods.
Great marvelous wave 👋 👌 video
Seems good but I have dinner will watch
I would have liked to have seen Odin Fight zeus in single combat and see how the Odin Force has been Compared with the power level of Fighting Galactus
In the comics see if it is still that strong
Wasn't the gods hiding so why would Asgardians go there if they just found out about Gorr killing gods
If we go by the comic book version of these two, they did not have any problems with each other and that’s a fact. if you want to go buy the MCU version of these two guys, there’s nothing saying that they did not get along with each other. So what we have here is a video based on somebody’s opinion after reaching for something that’s not there, but have fun watching.
Odin seems more like a king while zeus seems more like a god
You know when I saw Zeus for the first time in a movie he was big with words but not big fist no wonder Odin could have beat him anytime
The celestials demanded the gods and as guardians not to interfere in human life….
Simple Valkyrie doesn’t know how to go about formalities etc. Nothing to go there for other than beg for help and she has Thor
I really can't wait for Thor vs Hercules in a future thor movie?
Odin > Zues. Odin is the better God.
Odin would say to Zeus: Are not Zeus, the god of budget props (lightning bolts).
Zeus and the Greek gods behave like spoiled children while Oden albeit flawed acts like the protector God he's supposed to be.
Well yea Odin is definitely better then Zeus , he is a much better person , wiser most likely too . Would love for Zeus to finally have his realization ,change of heart a little .
Hail Hydra!!!!!!!!
"Cut off its Head 2 More shall Take its Place".
@@Frosty98206 Hail Hydra!!!!
The MCU is a bit of a mess in my opinion. This was always likely to happen the more they added characters and arcs to the overall narrative.
When you think back to the first Thor film for example, you'd think the Asgardians were the only 'god' like beings in the universe and such things like the Eternals, Zeus, The Celestials, Omnipotent City and Kang non-existent or just myths at best.
The more the MCU moves forward with its expansion, the more it actually undermines what's come before.
There have been so many plot holes, things left unexplained or eve explained away badly, that I've just lost complete interest in the MCU now.
In Gotg1 It showed Beta Ray Bill
Odin is better he has a laser spear that is more powerful than the power stone. Zeus is just an older Maximus Decimus Meridius spending his afterlife after his death from Arthur Fleck’s poisoned dagger
No!!!
Remind me, when Xenna killed all olympians gods
The AllFather ODIN is the best mythological deity
Ben
No he’s not!!! There’s really no comparison with Zeus, according to myth Zeus is the father of the gods. Zeus is mischievous yes, but Odín is as well, Zeus also protects and does justice same as Odín, in terms of the best mythological god Zeus reigns as the best. Of course this is only myth, there’s only God and that’s Jehova. But in myth Zeus is the most famous one. I know, I’m a writer myself that wrote my own universe, had to stop it because of my convictions and my beliefs.
Man they should have showed more
Valkyrie is considered a god? Time stamp 6:51-6:53
Zeus wanted no smoke with Odin.
He died and hella was tearing up Asgard no s*** they're not going to be there, then as Asgard was destroyed and they had to move to Earth then thanos showed up and screwed everything up.... that's why they weren't there
Thor :-" I looked up to you Zeus "
Odin :- " it's time for me to go my son 🪦"
So valkarie is considered a GOD , is all Asgardian considered the same , like zues pantheon cause every body that lives on Olympis is immortal or very very long lived look at zues he even looks like he's younger than Odin and he is actually alot older
Is this your theory based on a cinematic adaptation? I don’t recall in any of the comics that they actually hated each other.
Odin wasn't always didn't care
Why do all the gods except the Asgard have golden blood?
Odin betrayed Zeus by marrying a woman(Thor's Mother). We know that Odin and Zeus is loving each other in gay relationship.
I have a question, could Zeus be Snapped out of existence as a part of half the universe that died in infinity war
Yes
No. If it could have happened to Zeus. then Zeus would have just snapped him back into existence. That is what a god is about.
@@justnodgaming3143 how he can't do that
@@justnodgaming3143 gods in the mcu are just powerful aliens. He still could have gotten snapped
Since it is the mcu I will have to chance to a Yes vote. Zeus could have gotten snapped.
Plus Odin's palace looked better. More gold
Why is because Odin is a benevolent king while Zeus only cares about throwing parties and having fun instead of helping those in need. Like tony stark but tony helps as a hero and billionaire.
Dude marvel comics Zeus would violate his mcu counterpart with ease. Oh god let’s not even talk about DC comics zeus😂 too fucking op
Zeus>Odin
Eh... I just didn't like Russell Crowe's "Mario like" accent for Zeus. Just sayin... ITSA MARIO! Not Greek an accent to me.
Before Thor killed him, well tried, i dont think Zues gave 2 shits about Odin or Thor.
Is no one going to mention that in one of the Thor movies that Odin said that Asgardians are not gods? WTF!
He probably meant, Gods as God, immortal or eternal
Gorr was right!!
Why didn't zeus and the other gods help in Infinity Saga?
In the comics I believe the gods are part of the same energy that celestials come from they are just smaller energy balls which became the gods. I don’t think the snap would affect them so I doubt they care all that much
@@A.5-r4i what if? They did care about the snap
Zeus did Greek on Odin
SO HOW OF THAT God work in the mcu...i rmeember odin saying "We are not gods"
This would be a plausible theory. If Valkery weren't Loki. Loki switched with Valkery in Ragnarock because he knew ragnarock would lead to his neck being snapped. Loki exists like a schrodeingers cat on the main timeline he's simultaneously the loki from the end of the first Thor movie who falls into the devils anus to Sakaar and he is also the Loki who has met Morbius and Sykvie because of his ability to enchant in ragnarock via valkeries flashback fight scene with Hela. Loki has obtained all the information he needs to accurately portray his love Sylvies greatest desire and thereby his as well. Sylvies crime to the timeline was that she admired the valkery which would had led her on the path of the hero. Thor also admires the valkery and set out to become one leading him down the heros path. Loki stealing Valkeries identity plays to his villainous role while simultaneously getting him Thors instant respect and once again gets Thor to give him the keys to leading the people as king as a refugee on Earth without any of the drawbacks of being a Loki and staying clear of the TVA. Most of the scenes in Thor Love and Thunder corroborate my theory. including the scene in which Zeus flicks off thors clothes to reveal a memoriam tattoo on thors back of loki. And it even appears to be what gains valkery/lokis interest in the moment.
That said because Loki both dies and doesn't die on the refugee ship at Thanos hands this also means that simultaneously Valkery is really there and it was Loki who died in one iteration of the universe. Loki appears to be following a script written by kang as to avoid detection and he does so by utilizing the existing events on the sacred timeline via the recordings at the TVA. most likely a plot point in Loki season two yet to be explored.
If you lay out the rules and formula each film follows and repeats with some ad lib you begin to realize Marvel is making a commentary on the cyclical nature of these gods who are destined to be an epitome of themselves in infinite reincarnations throughout the multiverse. In fact there many ways Loki escapes Thanos clutches. in the loki series we met an iteration of the character who drifted disguised as debri through space. his crime to his "sacred" timeline being that he tried to leave after having too much loneliness after his Kang determined isolation. What's even more interesting though is the fact that loki is also the God of survival and in a way the rebirth of the universe/multiverse. It took a connected series of events from multiple universes for loki to get beyond the veil at the end of time. all so Sylvie could murder he who remains and set forth the reincarnation of other universes that ultimately lead to the rebirth of Loki variants to help Loki. This apparently is what makes a sacred timeline sacred. it must be responsible for its own reincarnation. It is this fact that makes the infinity war truly infinite. This is also the reason why Strange had to view so many timelines to find one where the avengers win. Thanos himself is playing the timeloop game and this is all centered around the events of ragnarock. Hela must die. Thanos must die twice. one old man fulfilling his destiny. A young man dying at Tonies hands knowing what it's like to lose and feeling so desperately that he should have won. This is the reason Thanos knows Tony in infinity war. He knows he loses to this Tony shortly after they kill him. It is this fact that makes Thanos work complete and that it always will be. he actually is partially responsible for the multiple iterations of the universe in part. All of these variations stem from the focal point of the attach on new York. this is where new universes apparently begin according to Dr selvig In the first Avengers. the wormhole plays with causality. we don't know to what point in spacetime a doorway was opened utilizing the tesseract. It does appear the mind stone used was from an alternate future as it came with visions of the Scarlett witch and a universe in which the avengers died. It also appears that Thanos after defeating the avengers is rebuffed from his mistress death and sets out to dominate the multiverse by setting the events in motion that would irradicate 50% of all existence not just in the universe. not just trillions. but 50 percent of infinity.
It always amazes me that all these outlets fail to use the same kind of critical thinking that the writers of these stories do. why speculate with hear say when there are plot and dialogue points leading the way like a trail of stars. I may not know how they will present these ideas on screen yet but u do know they are coming. Thanos series is coming. I'm assuming after Lokis character arc starts to wrap up. There's a lot to unpack in the MCU. It's all the deep end.
I kinda agree. But the worm hole had The chitari Army Waiting , there next to or ready to go do Thanos , dirty work. So the tesseract was just the space stone that opened a port or just like the Bi frost , it just sends you from 1 place in our Universe to another. I don't see it opening as a worm hole for all time and space to jump through from another universe , and go back 2000 years. To start reaking havoc, as does he who remains , or any Variant of Cang
@@Tow_Sr. ah but that's where your wrong lol! just kidding, I'll elaborate on my theory to see if I can sway
the stones are linked and inform eaches power set. Loki utilized the mind stone to open a wormhole with the tesseract. Which in all other forms of Sci fi like interstellar is a way to exchange information or even individuals to the past.
In Marvel if the mind stone can be utilized in tandem with the tesseract it means that Loki took professor Xavier trick to the next level. he went backwards into the recesses of his own memory to connect to a point in time in which he originated after he is thrown to an alternate universe via sylvie. which means he met an variant Thanos who gave him the mind stone from a variant future. one in which the avengers lost via tonies vision from the Scarlett witch. the Scarlett witch got her vision of a future self from the mind stone as well. but back to the main point space and time are connected and inform one another in physics. even in theory of relativity faster than light travel breaks causality. I don't agree with that theory for many logical reasons but this isn't about my issues on true objective renderring of time.
Marvel is utilizing the infinty stones to play on the blurred lines between where physics stop and conecpets like gods and consciousness begin. playing on the idea of probabilities to different causal events. Strange uses the time stone to pure into other potential outcomes. so does Xavier. So does Thanos and even shield utilizing project insight. all are methods to which those polrojecting pick the best available outcome. the tesseract is extradimensional it is the literal embodiment of this concept.
in one dimension exist singularity. in two dimensions a plane that miraculously has still nigh infinite space between. dispersal of energy solidified gives rise to injects in motion relative to one another which creates the basis for how we measure time. consciousness itself needing to exist to measure. the idea that we hallucinate and create our own realities etc. etc. it keeps going in a loop.
The soul is the basis for which choices are made, the soul informs the mind, you do something that impacts your perception of the world creating a reality, your motion in sequential order is divided and measured as the passage of time. time itself is a measure of objects defined by light.
Which is another topic no one ever covers. Heimdahl himself is capable of seeing an o jective universe. he sees in real time. If heimdahl was relaying on light for information and then opened an Einstein rosenbridge Thor would arrive billions of years too late. Heimdahl also can hear faster than light since he tells loki when he turned his gaze upon him he could neither see nor hear him. Lokis illusion casting also appears capable of spanning great distances to communicate in real time. Something he did when utilizing the destroyer in the first Thor movie. There are many mcguffins.
One Easter egg no one ever talks about is the devils anus. Sakaar is surrounded by black holes. black holes bend space time and fold it in on itself. which means sakaar is a literal hub of doorways into different points and time in space as well. At the end of the first Thor he destroys the rainbow bridge. which then falls below asgaard into a black hole. which may be part of the reason Asgardians age slower than humans even without their armor and its blessings. It's also indicated that asgaard is in a state of perpetual bliss as though the Land itself is caught in a timeloop of perpetual motion that keeps its waterfalls flowing. Most likely one of the things Odin accomplished with the infinity stones. not to mention imbue the rai bow Bridge to act as an Einstein rosenbridge.
back to the point The metal most likely used to make hemdahls station was most likely Uru. made from neutron stars. hence Banners seemingly throw away line in Sakaar when he says "that looks like a collapsing neutron star inside of an Einstein rosenbridge. meaning when the bridge was destroyed and fell into the black hole it was lodged inside and never made its way out. This is the very wormhole Thor uses to escape sakaar with Valkery/Loki to get back to asgaard and confront hela. They emerge directly under asgaard where the rainbow bridge fell.
We know that the rainbow bridge bends space time because of one scene. Where hela kicks loki out of the bridge when being brought back to asgaard and seconds later does the same to Thor. When Thor catches up to Loki, Loki indicates he'd been there a few weeks or so to his first day even though they were only seconds apart.
I as the audience member see a purposeful moment here. Where Loki had already established his station in Sakaar previously in the first Thor. From this vantage point Loki could have ended up in The alternate future where the avengers lost and he met Thanos and truly took up his cause as we were originally intended to believe in the first linear telling of the story. It's the Loki series that sets up what a great antihero loki is and how he's gonna do it. It's the information he receives after the battle of new York that's gonna help him rig the endgame. at some point The alternate reality that the mind stone is from is like a series of infinite swaps. It's not until age of ultron we get to see what the previous reality was. In some ways it shows the course the avengers were on without its interference on the matter.
which indicates the sacred timeline is entangled in quantum terms. each universe a qubit unto its own infinitely branching into probable outcomes. Multiverses within muktiverses. playing on the ideas of sacred geometry, Schuman resonance, string theory, and the vibrations that make up the algorithm to create life. And on more grandiose scales universes would look something like mandelbraughts which also tie into the idea of a tesseract. parabolic man.
On that note I'm gonna end with I really hope some song from Tool gets into Marvel. Schism or Parabola seem to mesh with some of kangs themes.
sorry for the rant. I rarely catch fish with long enough attention spans to listen.
My take on marvel is it takes everything from pop culture in as many facets as possible and tries to create its own theory of everything. which it does very well except it relies on particular interpretation of quantum mechanics. makes for great storytelling but ultimately blurs the lines of even determinism over free will by making both equally possible thanks to Kang. This also plays off the idea of messianic undertones of do as the one says or your existence will be erased variant. just follow the yellow brick road.
I believe ultimately our Loki will agree with He who remains and strive to get back to the sacred timeline as its the only timeline he is aware of that gets to continue existing after the muktiversal war. Most likely Loki will be hugely involved with the sacred timelines rebirth. "Like the sun we will live to rise" " I assure you brother the sun will shine on us again." Loki appears to be indicating even Asgaards resurrection. I got a whole sound theory on that one too. involves secret wars and battle world new asgaard becoming asgaard etc. etc.
got a secret empire theory about old man cap that's pretty solid as well.
some other fun ones are how Loki is meant to viewed through Shakespearean tropes. How classical mythologies inform characters like Thanos.
And one of my personal favorites is how the entity Infinity plays on the concepts of consciousness. as though we are all just aspects of one entity in meditation. something eternals also hints at. As though Tiamat is a subcategory of Infinity and his imaginings of earthlings whereas other planets with life each comprise their own category for analyzing oneself. meaning the unimind connections in etrnals was indicate the sentient life was necessary for a celestial jestation period so that it emerges sentient having lived all the lives on earth. whereas Infinity lives all the lives within a universe. And the thought that all that potential also exists within all conscious beings.
for real now rant over... my kid just woke up gtg.
Venmo me 5$ for the novel you just read haha.
Thor love and thunder was annoyingly enjoyable. Far from great and could’ve been better but I still had fun with this new movie. That’s how I feel about it in a nutshell.
Read the classic Thor Annual # 5. Nuff said.
This theory I am not on board with. They all know each other. Odin ran them their. Now Odin is dead Zeus back to thinking he the baddest along with Hercules.
lets be honest Asgard can take on all of Omnipotent city 😤
after odin died hela took over and they left for earth, not to mention they got slaughtered by thanos and the snap afterwards. they've been on earth ever since. why and how would they go back to the city?
Cuz Odin probably took over Mount Olympus during that 9 realm reign
I've never done full research on Greek Mythology but I have heard stories that the Greek Gods are mostly vain assholes & the first time I watched Thor Love & Thunder was with a girl who knew a lot about Greek Mythology and she mentioned that as well so maybe Taika knew that as well and hinted it in the movie. I have done readings of Norse Mythology and if the Zeus from Marvel is somewhat accurate to mythological Zeus (as for personality) then I guess Mythological Odin & Zeus wouldn't get along either