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I have just offered you 3 coffees, but please, come here to Rome, where coffees only cost generally 1.10 euros , not 5 dollars ! This coffee thing might be a new currency I was not aware of before... Not to mention an italian "caffè" is not precisely a "coffee". :)
Thank you very much for the kind support! I'll make sure to let the subscribers know if I go to Italy. nothing like a Numismatic tour at the heart of the Empire!
@@ClassicalNumismatics Great ! But I have to tell you that unfortunately the wonderful coin collection of Palazzo Massimo is temporarily closed for renovation and no schedule has been released yet for its reopening.
This is the first numismatic video that really blew my mind. I had no idea celtic coins were multi-generational abstractions of original referenced greek coins.
How much should I expect to pay for a low grade, entry level gold Celtic coin? Are there options in the $200- $400 range or are all the coins so large that they stay above the $1000 level?
In the University library, I picked up a book about Philip II and a chapter talked of his coinage, especially his coinage celebrating his Olympic chariot victory. It discussed how the coin was "distributed" to the local tribes to the north of Macedon and spread from there as said in the video. The quality of the coinage was such, that it was seen as something of monetary and of especial cultural value. Because like the ripples on a pond, it spread, copied until it had descendants showing up in Britain and the western fringes of the "Celtic" world. As distance and time increased, the basic image of a chariot team became more abstract until it just looked like squiggles on the coin.
@ClassicalNumismatics oh I was just reading about fossil brittlstars of the Cretaceous, they are scarce speciments. As for the Celts, I would only mess with the Welsh. Merry Xmass to you. It will be 35C on that day, yay.
I like the contrast between the Graeco-Roman classical naturalistic art-style in the South of Europe, and the more abstract, symbolic art-style of the Celts and the Germanic peoples in the North of Europe.
The Germanic designs get even wilder. Their issues were generally either copies of the Roman denarii that got into their territories through trade, or fully abstract swirly types, which are hard to link to any prototypes like the Gallic coins are.
Great video. The Celtic coins are highly collectable in the UK. I like the coins of the Iceni best. Their leader Queen Boudica led an unsuccessful revolt against Rome but not before burning down a few Roman towns such as London. The charred remains from this revolt are still found today in London below the modern ground level. I have also visited some Celtic Hill forts in the UK too. Great coins shown.
Absolutely stunning starters my friend. Finding one is top of my metal detecting bucket list. I have friends who have found multiple but as yet mine eludes me. I still live in hope though. Thank you for the video.
Designed and struck under the authority of Pablius Piccasius 😂. Super abstract! Im sure the designers had no idea what the original Macedonian coins even looked like, and so each copy must have been based on numerous generations of previous copies made by people who likely didnt even possess the skilled engravers and tools to make a very exact copy in the first generation. Neat video as always!
So cool. I like the tangents away from Roman coins to give us something different to look at and desire. Such a huge amount of coins and knowledge to colect. Top purchases of the year video when?
These celtic coins, make current 1oz huge, When late medieval kings had nobles minted, they were usually prestige gifts to emphasise international standing.
Totally. Gold was simply much, much rarer back then. Making a 1oz coin would have been unthinkable for most civilizations. The Ptolemies on Egypt did it only because they had really easy access to gold.
@ClassicalNumismatics I reckon 1oz coins will become very much rarer, and 1/2oz coin will eventually become even more so. The last 'large' coin standing will be a 1/4oz and that will be highly valued. When 200 8gm sovereigns are discovered in a piano, once valued at £1 each, much is made of the find being worth £60,000. Today that would be valued at £100,000 minimum. BTW, when £1 sovereigns were in circulation, I wonder how many people ever saw a 1oz gold coin, I suspect none unless they were involved in recovering New World treasure.
I’ve seen these in auctions and never understood what they were. Just seemed like weird primitive designs. This explanation makes them a lot more interesting.
Coins were very powerful tools of propaganda, even in societies with little monetization. Most of the time there's a reason behind why a design is on a coin 😀
Excellent video. The ‘British’ Celtic coins you showed are certainly sought after here in the UK. Many unique designs. Your videos continue to be the very best about ancient coins on UA-cam - thank you! 👍
Such beautiful staters! I’m from Kent (south east England) and funny enough our county flag is still a horse! With the motto ‘invicta’. Supposedly after William the conqueror came to arrangement with Kent to avoid conflict after the battle of Hastings. Making the county technically unconquered!
According to Damian from Numischannel they are likely NOT. These were practical items used on everyday tasks. The ones made out of lead, with decorations and bronzes might have been. I recommend you watch his video on celtic coinage. Its in Spanish but he has added subtitles in english.
How can we be sure these designs are all inspired by the Philip II stater? For example the trinovantes is so abstract and different from a side profile of Apollo that I dont think we can claim much correlation between the two. And even the horse doesnt seem a strong enough proof to claim they were a distant copy of the macedonian biga. Could it be that they intentionally tried to make the coins more "personal" in the sense of creating their own types, instead of simply trying to copy the copy of the copy so much they unvoluntarly ended up with something so drastically different from the original?
Also the suessiones obverse is incredibly different, how can they end up with a completely different point of view and not just a different version of the original?
There earlier these coins are dated, the more they look like the original Philip Staters. Of course there was a strong degree of native artistry put on these coins, but the correlations between the original Phillip II staters and the earlier pieces is too great to ignore.
I wonder why the celts did not make their own gold designs, like they did with their potins and smaller denominations. They were certainly capable of making good coin art
I have two gold Celtic staters one is an Ambiani type as shown in your video the other is a Trinovantes stater with the horse and chariot wheel type design.
I have read that there are over 40,000 Celtic or at least pre-roman British coins currently in museums. If such a huge number still exist in the present day it suggests the society that produced them had millions of coins in circulation. Obviously they didn't produce these enormous numbers of coins just for the fun of it which implies that their economies were considerably more developed than we give them credit for.
I know Philip II silver tetradrachms are much less commonly found in Celtic archaeological sites/coin hoards than the gold staters, but the design of Zeus on the obverse and the single horse on the reverse of the silver coins seem to bear a stronger resemblance to these later Celtic abstract designs than the gold stater imo. Especially with Apollo being clean shaven vs Zeus's curly beard taking up 3/4ths of the face of the coin. The silver tetradrachm even has a design under the single horse, not unlike the Suessiones and Trinovantes Catuvellauni coins here. Really interesting history regardless
I've seen it described as a starfish in some catalogues. Also, some examples I researched have very wiggly arms. I know what you mean there with the Swastika, but I believe in this case it is indeed a starfish
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I have just offered you 3 coffees, but please, come here to Rome, where coffees only cost generally 1.10 euros , not 5 dollars ! This coffee thing might be a new currency I was not aware of before... Not to mention an italian "caffè" is not precisely a "coffee". :)
Thank you very much for the kind support! I'll make sure to let the subscribers know if I go to Italy. nothing like a Numismatic tour at the heart of the Empire!
@@ClassicalNumismatics Great ! But I have to tell you that unfortunately the wonderful coin collection of Palazzo Massimo is temporarily closed for renovation and no schedule has been released yet for its reopening.
This is the first numismatic video that really blew my mind. I had no idea celtic coins were multi-generational abstractions of original referenced greek coins.
Awesome! Glad you enjoyed it so much! Check out a previous video I made on Gallic coins, it goes more into detail on the subject.
Furthermore, as far as ancient gold goes, these are some of the most affordable gold pieces. I'd love to buy one.
How much should I expect to pay for a low grade, entry level gold Celtic coin? Are there options in the $200- $400 range or are all the coins so large that they stay above the $1000 level?
In the University library, I picked up a book about Philip II and a chapter talked of his coinage, especially his coinage celebrating his Olympic chariot victory. It discussed how the coin was "distributed" to the local tribes to the north of Macedon and spread from there as said in the video. The quality of the coinage was such, that it was seen as something of monetary and of especial cultural value. Because like the ripples on a pond, it spread, copied until it had descendants showing up in Britain and the western fringes of the "Celtic" world. As distance and time increased, the basic image of a chariot team became more abstract until it just looked like squiggles on the coin.
Who knew the ancient Celts were able to design such abstract designs?! How cool!
That was very cool seeing all those different Celtic interpretations of the original. Thanks for all your work
Thank you for the kind words! Im glad you enjoyed it :)
This is an interesting video on coins I know little about. But the Belgae coin, it looks more like a Brittle Star then a crab. Thank you.
Could very well be! Who knows what was going on the minds of those crazy Celts.
Merry Christmas Glenn!
@ClassicalNumismatics oh I was just reading about fossil brittlstars of the Cretaceous, they are scarce speciments. As for the Celts, I would only mess with the Welsh. Merry Xmass to you. It will be 35C on that day, yay.
I like the contrast between the Graeco-Roman classical naturalistic art-style in the South of Europe, and the more abstract, symbolic art-style of the Celts and the Germanic peoples in the North of Europe.
The Germanic designs get even wilder. Their issues were generally either copies of the Roman denarii that got into their territories through trade, or fully abstract swirly types, which are hard to link to any prototypes like the Gallic coins are.
@@ClassicalNumismatics But the "bracteate" (Not really coins) comes from Roman coins/medals?
The Suessiones caught my eye. The swirls remind me of triskelions. Thanks for the fascinating look at these coins.
Fantastic video with wonderful history and amazing coins
superb topic superb stuff
Thank You very much for this new video !! 😊
Thank you for the kind words! Glad you had fun watching it :)
Great video!
Great looking coins! Really unique art style.
Very unique indeed! Which one did you like the most?
Great video. The Celtic coins are highly collectable in the UK. I like the coins of the Iceni best. Their leader Queen Boudica led an unsuccessful revolt against Rome but not before burning down a few Roman towns such as London. The charred remains from this revolt are still found today in London below the modern ground level. I have also visited some Celtic Hill forts in the UK too. Great coins shown.
An Iceni coin is definitely in my watchlist, precisely for its connection with Boudica
Absolutely stunning starters my friend. Finding one is top of my metal detecting bucket list. I have friends who have found multiple but as yet mine eludes me. I still live in hope though. Thank you for the video.
Good luck on your hunt! I'd be ecstatic to find such a golden piece
Designed and struck under the authority of Pablius Piccasius 😂. Super abstract! Im sure the designers had no idea what the original Macedonian coins even looked like, and so each copy must have been based on numerous generations of previous copies made by people who likely didnt even possess the skilled engravers and tools to make a very exact copy in the first generation. Neat video as always!
Pablius Picassus 😂🔥
So cool. I like the tangents away from Roman coins to give us something different to look at and desire. Such a huge amount of coins and knowledge to colect.
Top purchases of the year video when?
Next week! 👀🔥
These celtic coins, make current 1oz huge,
When late medieval kings had nobles minted, they were usually prestige gifts to emphasise international standing.
Totally. Gold was simply much, much rarer back then. Making a 1oz coin would have been unthinkable for most civilizations. The Ptolemies on Egypt did it only because they had really easy access to gold.
@ClassicalNumismatics I reckon 1oz coins will become very much rarer, and 1/2oz coin will eventually become even more so.
The last 'large' coin standing will be a 1/4oz and that will be highly valued.
When 200 8gm sovereigns are discovered in a piano, once valued at £1 each, much is made of the find being worth £60,000.
Today that would be valued at £100,000 minimum.
BTW, when £1 sovereigns were in circulation, I wonder how many people ever saw a 1oz gold coin, I suspect none unless they were involved in recovering New World treasure.
Great video! I would never have guessed how abstract some of those designs got!
Introduce some of your Spanish medieval-renaissance coins please
I dont have a whole lot of these, but I'll make a video on medieval coins next year, for sure :)
I’ve seen these in auctions and never understood what they were. Just seemed like weird primitive designs. This explanation makes them a lot more interesting.
Coins were very powerful tools of propaganda, even in societies with little monetization. Most of the time there's a reason behind why a design is on a coin 😀
Excellent video. The ‘British’ Celtic coins you showed are certainly sought after here in the UK. Many unique designs. Your videos continue to be the very best about ancient coins on UA-cam - thank you! 👍
Thank you very much Mark :)
Such a wonderful numismatic history you guys have. Celtic, Roman, Medieval, you got the whole package!
I'm very facinated with Celtic coinage. Excellent video.
Such beautiful staters! I’m from Kent (south east England) and funny enough our county flag is still a horse! With the motto ‘invicta’. Supposedly after William the conqueror came to arrangement with Kent to avoid conflict after the battle of Hastings. Making the county technically unconquered!
Its been so long since Ive been to the UK. Definitely need to go back one day
@ If you do I recommend visiting Richborough Roman fort Kent :)
Excellent video. A question for the experts: Are those celtic ring 'coins' sold online actually coinage?
According to Damian from Numischannel they are likely NOT. These were practical items used on everyday tasks. The ones made out of lead, with decorations and bronzes might have been. I recommend you watch his video on celtic coinage. Its in Spanish but he has added subtitles in english.
@ClassicalNumismatics Thank you. Appreciated!
🙏 Thanks for sharing 🙏
Great !
You have leveled up. You are now capable of looking at random Celtic swirls and squiggles and interpreting them as deliberate shapes.
Pattern recognition 👀
How can we be sure these designs are all inspired by the Philip II stater? For example the trinovantes is so abstract and different from a side profile of Apollo that I dont think we can claim much correlation between the two. And even the horse doesnt seem a strong enough proof to claim they were a distant copy of the macedonian biga. Could it be that they intentionally tried to make the coins more "personal" in the sense of creating their own types, instead of simply trying to copy the copy of the copy so much they unvoluntarly ended up with something so drastically different from the original?
Also the suessiones obverse is incredibly different, how can they end up with a completely different point of view and not just a different version of the original?
There earlier these coins are dated, the more they look like the original Philip Staters. Of course there was a strong degree of native artistry put on these coins, but the correlations between the original Phillip II staters and the earlier pieces is too great to ignore.
I wonder why the celts did not make their own gold designs, like they did with their potins and smaller denominations. They were certainly capable of making good coin art
Marveluous coins. Gold its very expensive for me. But a pleasure to see....
So it is for me! 😆
Im glad collectors of better "means" are kind enough to film us these coins
I have two gold Celtic staters one is an Ambiani type as shown in your video the other is a Trinovantes stater with the horse and chariot wheel type design.
The charriot type is indeed very charming!
The Suessiones coin resembles a greek gorgon face coin
I have read that there are over 40,000 Celtic or at least pre-roman British coins currently in museums.
If such a huge number still exist in the present day it suggests the society that produced them had millions of coins in circulation.
Obviously they didn't produce these enormous numbers of coins just for the fun of it which implies that their economies were considerably more developed than we give them credit for.
I know Philip II silver tetradrachms are much less commonly found in Celtic archaeological sites/coin hoards than the gold staters, but the design of Zeus on the obverse and the single horse on the reverse of the silver coins seem to bear a stronger resemblance to these later Celtic abstract designs than the gold stater imo. Especially with Apollo being clean shaven vs Zeus's curly beard taking up 3/4ths of the face of the coin. The silver tetradrachm even has a design under the single horse, not unlike the Suessiones and Trinovantes Catuvellauni coins here. Really interesting history regardless
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Good morning I would like to know how to make these drawings of the reverse and obverse that you include in the videos, thank you.
I make them myself using a vector drawing software. Just learn how to do line drawing on your PC and draw your coins, its a manual proccess :)
I believe the figure under the horse mouth on the belgae coin might be a swastika
I've seen it described as a starfish in some catalogues. Also, some examples I researched have very wiggly arms. I know what you mean there with the Swastika, but I believe in this case it is indeed a starfish
@@ClassicalNumismatics I see, thank you. Very interesting video as always
Playing AC, Apolo must have established Focida. His lands were rich: I enjoy riding my horse around his land. 🕯📜✍️🏼
Picasso didn't invent anything!😉
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