It’s funny how the same people who don’t want Bichette are usually clamoring for a washed up Nolan Arenado. Bichette is only 1 year removed from a bonafide all star season. He’s young, he’s a rental so no financial commitment, plays SS even with his defense being shaky he would be an upgrade defensively at SS compared to Mookie. He would allow the dodgers to stop gap and allow Freeland to develop and be ready for a September call up. For the right price Bichette would be amazing in LA. Now this is a guy you can use the “Change of Scenery” rhetoric for as he is young, in a contract year, and dealt with nagging minor injuries last season. Unlike a washed Nolan who is in his mid 30s and has a decline that goes back to 2023.
I don't think I would call Arenado washed up just yet. Paul Goldschmidt, maybe, but not Arenado. We have players who are getting into the Michael Busch zone, so this trade is possible.
@@Mr1stcat I know. Not sure how much he has left in the tank. Left handed bats tend to play up better at Yankee Stadium. How's the defense at 37 years of age? We'll find out.
@@paulgodbey304 Goldy actually was still hitting the ball very well. He may be old, but he wasn't washed up. Arenado on the other hand, was significantly worse at hitting the ball that Goldy was. Arenado is washed. Goldy isn't.
I don't want Bo, but I do think he's less of a risk than Arenado, and has potential to get right again. I just don't think he'll be anything special, even for a rental. I rather have Mookie and Lux than Bo and Mookie. Nothing loss if Lux doesn't figure it out--well, aside from likely Lux via trade. Not so sure I buy change of scenery bullshit, unless Jay's stadium is a pitcher's park.
@@ryanc9876 I think Mookie is great - but his hitting did suffer when he was at short last season. The same thing will happen but on a much bigger scale this season. Deciding to move from right, even from second, to short stop is very difficult even for established stars like Mookie. And in my opinion, the front office is going along with what Mookie wants. If you asked quietly, where Mookie couldn't hear them, they'd agree with me.
@@mattyman5dodge101 I'm not sure his hitting was suffering because of his play at short. It wasn't long of a sample size to really say for sure. And last year was more of a "surprise, you're the new shortstop" on short notice--no pun intended. But I still believe Mookie is going to surprise everyone who doubts him again. I also see this as a short-term solution to short...again with the "short" stuff...
The other reason why I don't agree that it was related was because Mookie started off on a torrid pace to start to year AT shortstop, offensively. People also attributed it to being the new position. I didn't agree then, I don't agree now. I'll wait and see. And if it doesn't work, I know they have plan B's and maybe even C's in place.
Life long Dodgers fan here, living in Toronto area. Able to see Bo play and this guy can hit. Sometimes stuck in a crappy lineup and tried to do it all himself. I always thought he'd be a great Dodger, not completely sold on trading for him yet But the guy can hit and in a lineup of stars he could be super dependable if healthy
I think Bo would thrive in the Dodgers lineup the same way Teo did. Anyone would. Having the 3 mvp’s batting 1, 2 n 3,, and then sandwiched anywhere with Will, Max, and Conforto, Edmonds, is a formula towards career #’s. Mix in the Dodgers way, coaching, and trust in every batter. I think the Dodgers could give part with some minor league talent. They seem to have know where to play them, every year. Get it done! Also, If Teo is seeking 22-24m for 3 years, wtf is the problem? They made him a QO, he could have said yes. I was worried they are competing with 3/85, or 4/110 for a team who lost out on Soto.
Lol. No. Vlad is great, but he's a horrible first-baseman. He'd be best where they can DH him. He'd be 1B or DH and probably would be more valuable as a DH than a 1B if you can get someone who's not horrible defensively at first. And Freddie is Freddie...soooo not much gonna change at first until he moves. I almost wonder if they'll resign him another year after his contract if he's still productive.
Dodgers were open to trade Lux/Hunter F for Devin Williams. The only other trade with Lux that makes sense is for a SS. I’d use this trade to open up roster spots. Bo for Lux/HunterF/CT3/Knack/$. Blue jays wouldn’t do that trade. Then again I think Lux alone is an over pay to me so use the trade to move CT3. My preference would be to keep Lux. Bo is going to be difficult to sign to an extension so he is a one year rental.
I don’t know about that… the last two years of Cody Bellinger as a Dodger was very frustrating. With every hit, you’d hope that meant he turned a corner, but that corner was eventually a non-tendered contract. And thankfully so.
The Dodgers are pretty much set for the 2024/25 season. They can use a 'Lee Smith' type, closer though. Heck, they've got so many pitchers it'll be interesting if they can convert of 'em. I can see Dustin May coming in for the 9th. IF, he's healthy.
I can't overlook the team's $103 million luxury tax bill for '24. So, I can see trading for Bichette ending the talks to re-sign Teo, because Bichette will make around $17.5 million in '25, when the team will likely remain in the Cohen 110% tax bracket.
Every now and then you sh*t the bed and trade Pedro Martinez for Delino DeShields. Bo Bichette wouldn’t be the worst acquisition, but I wouldn’t do it.
My bet would be that Lux, a full year after rehab will have a year equal to or better then Bichette. I also can't understand the rush to get rid of Miller. He had a bad year and we can't wait to trade him. Bichette had a bad year and he's now a key piece?
At best Bo's value should be about 11-15 million in trade value. Also while baseball trade values isn't the end all be all of player asset value it's still a relatively good framework for working out potential trades. Other baseball channels have been incorporating the site in their videos for a couple years now and this channel seems to be behind the times.
Its funny how so much hate on Arenado. Yes his numbers went down but was injured all year and still posted decent numbers. still .280 batting average and still got the pop and defense. He may just need a change of scenary and he could get hot once again. Meanwhile we have Taylor who we paying 15 mil a year for .100s average 😂
As a jays fan i dont think we are wanting to get lux back. Frasso would be embarrassing for Ross atkins as he traded him to the dodgers for Mitch White. I do like the idea of bobby miller plus tho !
Bichette played only 81 games last year. So it was a throw away year for him. There's no scenario in which he "stinks" any more than any ballplayer in a similar situation. If you get hurt and you have half a season, your numbers are going to fall. I don't think Gavin Lutz and Bobby Miller would be nearly enough. I get that he only has one season of control left, but I think that idea of compensation is just Dodger homerism and wish thinking. Every time a trade possibility pops up, the first name out of everyone's mouth is Gavin Lutz. It's the same one track thinking as Yankee fans wanting to include Marcus Stroman in every deal. The problem is nobody really values those guys anywhere near what the fan bases believe their true value is.
As a jays fan....Bo has always been a guy leaving for the states...He is a floridian but most likely would sign with the Dodgers. Having said that 3 years in a row he was basically one of the best hitters in the league. I really dont think the Jays are letting him go for cheap. Trade Values are not gonna be considered. But i think a Lux and pitching prospect would get it done. IMO
Bichette has a lot of upside. He’s still young and one of the best third baseman in the league. He’s would be a major upgrade not only with his bat but his glove. He would also be a lot cheaper than Arrenado.
Bo had a pretty bad season. The asking price shouldn't be too high. The Jays have both Bo and Vladdy coming up for free-agency next off-season and they can't afford to extend both of them.
I’m a Toronto fan, and I have zero interest in taking Gavin Lux for Bichette. I would rather trade for a decent RP plus prospects. I think it’s fair to value Bichette as a 3 WAR player in 2025, I get it there’s some uncertainty there. I really want to see Will Wagner playing 2B for the Jays this year.
Oh god, now Bo? Geez all these horrible players... I rather have a Ha-Seong Kim than Bichette, and I don't really want HSK that much until I know how he can throw after his shoulder surgery. If we're going to have another option at SS, at least make him a real SS not someone worse than Mookie.
@@raymondtuckerjr1886 I mean he's exciting, but there's no way he's being traded by the Reds unless you give up Shohei while paying his contract or something insane like that. Not yet anyway.
Is it Mookie's pride, ego that makes him want to play SS? How did Willie Mays and many other great outfielders able to jog out to their positions for 20 years and Mookie can't. It might be that him playing short this year could be a good move until the Dodgers can get a plus plus SS but it might be best that he plays 2nd or God forbid right. Whatever Lola wants Lola gets, I guess. On the other hand, with both Max and Lux with a year left this might be the time when you can get the most for them. Deal some prospects. AI said it was difficult to pinpoint an exact percentage but pitchers who had shoulder injuries, a significant number would eventually require surgery. Glasnow. Yamamoto just saying- Pitching, pitching, pitching. Maybe Mookie should be 3rd base coach so he doesn't have to run so far, that way he can bowl and play more hoops. Maybe Mookie should just be a podcaster, then he can just sit on his couch. Maybe Mookie should take 200 less ground balls and 200 less swings a day so he can be fresher for the game and make it out to right field, MAYBE. o.k. you guys bring it, there's a lot there for ya. LOL Merry Christmas...
Jay's ain't signing either! Lmao They think they'll sign Teo, so he'll be all alone in that anemic lineup? No, Teo ain't gonna handicap himself. Jay's area couple injuries n slumps away from the White Sox. Lol And, didn't Ross Atkins just say: " were sticking with Bo next year cuz he'll have a bounce back year". Which is BS, yet he will do somewhat better this year in Toronto... Not much probably. But LAD will know how to utilize Bo n get him back to himself
Can we please stop stop saying stuff like why does mookie have to play as, why can't we put him too rf cause he's a gg there. We know why. Mookie wants to play as and it's simple as that.
Sleepy Friedman is to busy sleeping, How you could ever have missed on Tucker, Williams, Bellinger, Missed on critical FA's and are sleeping on Hernandez your seriously in need of something to wake up
What the Hell is holding up and TeOcar Hernandez Signing! Dodgers are going to lose him 😤 because the Dodgers are CHEAP!!!! NOT A GREAT LOOK DODGERS 😕 Have fun with a Crappie Outfield next season!!
Everybody is grasping at straws. The Dodgers are not gonna do anything or they would’ve already have done it. They’re content with one in the World Series and they’re not doing anything to improve and they’re losing the people they already have.
It’s funny how the same people who don’t want Bichette are usually clamoring for a washed up Nolan Arenado. Bichette is only 1 year removed from a bonafide all star season. He’s young, he’s a rental so no financial commitment, plays SS even with his defense being shaky he would be an upgrade defensively at SS compared to Mookie. He would allow the dodgers to stop gap and allow Freeland to develop and be ready for a September call up. For the right price Bichette would be amazing in LA. Now this is a guy you can use the “Change of Scenery” rhetoric for as he is young, in a contract year, and dealt with nagging minor injuries last season. Unlike a washed Nolan who is in his mid 30s and has a decline that goes back to 2023.
I don't think I would call Arenado washed up just yet. Paul Goldschmidt, maybe, but not Arenado. We have players who are getting into the Michael Busch zone, so this trade is possible.
Goldschmidt just went to the Yankees
@@Mr1stcat I know. Not sure how much he has left in the tank. Left handed bats tend to play up better at Yankee Stadium. How's the defense at 37 years of age? We'll find out.
@@paulgodbey304 Goldy actually was still hitting the ball very well. He may be old, but he wasn't washed up. Arenado on the other hand, was significantly worse at hitting the ball that Goldy was. Arenado is washed. Goldy isn't.
I don't want Bo, but I do think he's less of a risk than Arenado, and has potential to get right again. I just don't think he'll be anything special, even for a rental. I rather have Mookie and Lux than Bo and Mookie. Nothing loss if Lux doesn't figure it out--well, aside from likely Lux via trade. Not so sure I buy change of scenery bullshit, unless Jay's stadium is a pitcher's park.
Anything that puts an end to the "Mookie at short" experiment, we should all be for.
It's not as bad as you think it is. Trust the FO and trust Mookie.
@@ryanc9876 I think Mookie is great - but his hitting did suffer when he was at short last season. The same thing will happen but on a much bigger scale this season. Deciding to move from right, even from second, to short stop is very difficult even for established stars like Mookie. And in my opinion, the front office is going along with what Mookie wants. If you asked quietly, where Mookie couldn't hear them, they'd agree with me.
@@mattyman5dodge101 I'm not sure his hitting was suffering because of his play at short. It wasn't long of a sample size to really say for sure. And last year was more of a "surprise, you're the new shortstop" on short notice--no pun intended. But I still believe Mookie is going to surprise everyone who doubts him again. I also see this as a short-term solution to short...again with the "short" stuff...
The other reason why I don't agree that it was related was because Mookie started off on a torrid pace to start to year AT shortstop, offensively. People also attributed it to being the new position. I didn't agree then, I don't agree now. I'll wait and see. And if it doesn't work, I know they have plan B's and maybe even C's in place.
@@ryanc9876 We'll see. My bet is we'll never get the chance - the Dodgers will sign a short stop before opening day.
Bo would be a awesome fit that would be great
Life long Dodgers fan here, living in Toronto area.
Able to see Bo play and this guy can hit.
Sometimes stuck in a crappy lineup and tried to do it all himself. I always thought he'd be a great Dodger, not completely sold on trading for him yet
But the guy can hit and in a lineup of stars he could be super dependable if healthy
I think Bo would thrive in the Dodgers lineup the same way Teo did. Anyone would. Having the 3 mvp’s batting 1, 2 n 3,, and then sandwiched anywhere with Will, Max, and Conforto, Edmonds, is a formula towards career #’s. Mix in the Dodgers way, coaching, and trust in every batter. I think the Dodgers could give part with some minor league talent. They seem to have know where to play them, every year. Get it done! Also, If Teo is seeking 22-24m for 3 years, wtf is the problem? They made him a QO, he could have said yes. I was worried they are competing with 3/85, or 4/110 for a team who lost out on Soto.
Anyone else hear Boba Fett every time anyone says Beau Bichette? 🤷🏼♀️
Yes😂, I always call him boba fett
I thought Rumours was a Fleetwood Mac album?
Tip my cap to you sir 🧢. Love that album
It is. A good one.
Yeah and too many people have too many Dreams here. 😂
Vlad/Bichette can eventually replace Muncy/Rojas
Lol. No.
Vlad is great, but he's a horrible first-baseman. He'd be best where they can DH him. He'd be 1B or DH and probably would be more valuable as a DH than a 1B if you can get someone who's not horrible defensively at first. And Freddie is Freddie...soooo not much gonna change at first until he moves. I almost wonder if they'll resign him another year after his contract if he's still productive.
Dodgers were open to trade Lux/Hunter F for Devin Williams. The only other trade with Lux that makes sense is for a SS. I’d use this trade to open up roster spots. Bo for Lux/HunterF/CT3/Knack/$. Blue jays wouldn’t do that trade. Then again I think Lux alone is an over pay to me so use the trade to move CT3. My preference would be to keep Lux. Bo is going to be difficult to sign to an extension so he is a one year rental.
Looks like Lux finally figured out offensively, I would keep Lux.
Why would Teo go to Toronto when they are unloading players like Bo?
You would be hard pressed to find a more frustrating player than Bo.
I don’t know about that… the last two years of Cody Bellinger as a Dodger was very frustrating. With every hit, you’d hope that meant he turned a corner, but that corner was eventually a non-tendered contract. And thankfully so.
I like getting a ss as mookie to 2b with rf in the other option. Ct3 and lux aren’t the answer
Betts back to RF, trade for Bo as SS and sign Kim as 2B.
Bo needs to get on the Barry Bond program.
Yes on Bo Bichette👍Dodgers need to settle the shortstop position.
We don’t know Bo.
N O ! on bichette go after Tanner Scott
No, NO, no...Elly de la Cruz!
I wouldn't give up on Bobby Miller just yet. Lets give him one more year
The Dodgers are pretty much set for the 2024/25 season. They can use a 'Lee Smith' type, closer though. Heck, they've got so many pitchers it'll be interesting if they can convert of 'em. I can see Dustin May coming in for the 9th. IF, he's healthy.
I can't overlook the team's $103 million luxury tax bill for '24. So, I can see trading for Bichette ending the talks to re-sign Teo, because Bichette will make around $17.5 million in '25, when the team will likely remain in the Cohen 110% tax bracket.
Every now and then you sh*t the bed and trade Pedro Martinez for Delino DeShields.
Bo Bichette wouldn’t be the worst acquisition, but I wouldn’t do it.
Why did you have to remind me about that trade!
My bet would be that Lux, a full year after rehab will have a year equal to or better then Bichette. I also can't understand the rush to get rid of Miller. He had a bad year and we can't wait to trade him. Bichette had a bad year and he's now a key piece?
At best Bo's value should be about 11-15 million in trade value. Also while baseball trade values isn't the end all be all of player asset value it's still a relatively good framework for working out potential trades. Other baseball channels have been incorporating the site in their videos for a couple years now and this channel seems to be behind the times.
Its funny how so much hate on Arenado. Yes his numbers went down but was injured all year and still posted decent numbers. still .280 batting average and still got the pop and defense. He may just need a change of scenary and he could get hot once again. Meanwhile we have Taylor who we paying 15 mil a year for .100s average 😂
Who wouldn’t trade for Bichette, move Mookie back to 2nd and deal Lux? That’s a no brainer. Dodgers have a lot of arms to dump too.
As a jays fan i dont think we are wanting to get lux back. Frasso would be embarrassing for Ross atkins as he traded him to the dodgers for Mitch White.
I do like the idea of bobby miller plus tho !
Beautiful!!
Problem with Dodgers, its always possibles. But havent gotten it done. Yankees are in a tear right now, theyre gettin it Done!! 1:41
Simple question: if you have Muncy, Arenado, Lux and Bichette, who would be the odd man out?
Huh? There’s no scenario where you would have all those guys on the same team.
Bichette played only 81 games last year. So it was a throw away year for him. There's no scenario in which he "stinks" any more than any ballplayer in a similar situation. If you get hurt and you have half a season, your numbers are going to fall. I don't think Gavin Lutz and Bobby Miller would be nearly enough. I get that he only has one season of control left, but I think that idea of compensation is just Dodger homerism and wish thinking. Every time a trade possibility pops up, the first name out of everyone's mouth is Gavin Lutz. It's the same one track thinking as Yankee fans wanting to include Marcus Stroman in every deal. The problem is nobody really values those guys anywhere near what the fan bases believe their true value is.
As a jays fan....Bo has always been a guy leaving for the states...He is a floridian but most likely would sign with the Dodgers. Having said that 3 years in a row he was basically one of the best hitters in the league. I really dont think the Jays are letting him go for cheap. Trade Values are not gonna be considered. But i think a Lux and pitching prospect would get it done. IMO
Thanks for your informations.
@ wtf does that mean?…reported
Bichette has a lot of upside. He’s still young and one of the best third baseman in the league. He’s would be a major upgrade not only with his bat but his glove. He would also be a lot cheaper than Arrenado.
Bichette is a SS.
Yes to Bichette...no to Mookie at shortstop.
Lux, Miller…….sold!
Would rather have Kim.
No way to this trade. Bo hasn't done a thing in 2 seasons
Bo had a pretty bad season. The asking price shouldn't be too high. The Jays have both Bo and Vladdy coming up for free-agency next off-season and they can't afford to extend both of them.
Bobby and Lux for a rental with Bo being said rental is nonsense
Who is Bichettes agent?
send lux, miller and knack plus alpha bring in bichette and one outfielder
Why???? We need Teoscar. That should be our priority
I’m a Toronto fan, and I have zero interest in taking Gavin Lux for Bichette. I would rather trade for a decent RP plus prospects. I think it’s fair to value Bichette as a 3 WAR player in 2025, I get it there’s some uncertainty there.
I really want to see Will Wagner playing 2B for the Jays this year.
Oh god, now Bo? Geez all these horrible players... I rather have a Ha-Seong Kim than Bichette, and I don't really want HSK that much until I know how he can throw after his shoulder surgery. If we're going to have another option at SS, at least make him a real SS not someone worse than Mookie.
Elly de la Cruz!
@@raymondtuckerjr1886 I mean he's exciting, but there's no way he's being traded by the Reds unless you give up Shohei while paying his contract or something insane like that. Not yet anyway.
Gavin Lux on his own would be an overpay given how bad he was last year which is crazy but true
Lux is still worse than bichette
Bo has hands of stone. A true hack in the field.
If we would hove Cavan Bigio a chance why not Bichette? Trade Lux, please
Dodgers are not going to trade for him.
LA can have Bichette. He thinks he's a baseball rock star anyway and belongs in LA.
Bichette just looks like a Dodger lol
Is it Mookie's pride, ego that makes him want to play SS? How did Willie Mays and many other great outfielders able to jog out to their positions for 20 years and Mookie can't. It might be that him playing short this year could be a good move until the Dodgers can get a plus plus SS but it might be best that he plays 2nd or God forbid right. Whatever Lola wants Lola gets, I guess. On the other hand, with both Max and Lux with a year left this might be the time when you can get the most for them. Deal some prospects. AI said it was difficult to pinpoint an exact percentage but pitchers who had shoulder injuries, a significant number would eventually require surgery. Glasnow. Yamamoto just saying- Pitching, pitching, pitching. Maybe Mookie should be 3rd base coach so he doesn't have to run so far, that way he can bowl and play more hoops. Maybe Mookie should just be a podcaster, then he can just sit on his couch. Maybe Mookie should take 200 less ground balls and 200 less swings a day so he can be fresher for the game and make it out to right field, MAYBE. o.k. you guys bring it, there's a lot there for ya. LOL Merry Christmas...
Jay's ain't signing either! Lmao
They think they'll sign Teo, so he'll be all alone in that anemic lineup? No, Teo ain't gonna handicap himself.
Jay's area couple injuries n slumps away from the White Sox. Lol
And, didn't Ross Atkins just say: " were sticking with Bo next year cuz he'll have a bounce back year". Which is BS, yet he will do somewhat better this year in Toronto... Not much probably. But LAD will know how to utilize Bo n get him back to himself
Can we please stop stop saying stuff like why does mookie have to play as, why can't we put him too rf cause he's a gg there. We know why. Mookie wants to play as and it's simple as that.
Yankees are WAY MORE ACTIVE than the Dodgers this Winter!!
Yea because they lost in the World Series and lost Juan Soto.
Mr Bobble Head 😢 gotta go. Sad.
We need Kim not Bo!
Bring back TeOcar Hernandez ALREADY, why is it taking so long 😫 😩 😪 I'm thinking that he is Gone!
Sleepy Friedman is to busy sleeping, How you could ever have missed on Tucker, Williams, Bellinger, Missed on critical FA's and are sleeping on Hernandez your seriously in need of something to wake up
Bichette is overrated
Bellinger vibes. No thanks.
Ugh
First!
Second!
Get Kim to bolster the infield. He is a perfect fit. 😎
Hye-Seong Kim would be nice but I’m sure Roki is gonna suck up all of our international fa funds
Elly de la Cruz ....anyone listening?
I mean, people can dream a little dream. But that's all that'll ever been in 2025.
@@raymondtuckerjr1886 why would the Reds trade him?
What the Hell is holding up and TeOcar Hernandez Signing! Dodgers are going to lose him 😤 because the Dodgers are CHEAP!!!! NOT A GREAT LOOK DODGERS 😕 Have fun with a Crappie Outfield next season!!
@@jeremyhopwood5822 🤡
Dodgers are cheap. 🤣🤣🤣
Yous guys would do anything and say anything, just too have your podcast go up.. Stop it now
Everybody is grasping at straws. The Dodgers are not gonna do anything or they would’ve already have done it. They’re content with one in the World Series and they’re not doing anything to improve and they’re losing the people they already have.
Lmao we’ve literally spent top 5 money thus far this offseason. Clown
@@Mr91Jmay I seriously don’t understand all the 🤡 takes.
There was a guy named Snell, lest you forget.