Nice vid, albeit short. One thing people neglect is the longevity of NVMe vs SSD. That may have improved. Also, you only tested one model of the range - hopefully people realise there are more out there like the Pro and Plus. The NVMe is definitely great in laptops due to space saving and you can even get 8TB on one stick now. The CPU and GPU are important but the SSD is a must-have. No point in having a Titan GFX and Dual Xeons if they can’t pull the data from the source quickly enough. I don’t see much point in installing an NVMe drive yet as the performance isn’t much greater than SSDs, although, it might be worth it when editing/grading online raw footage in 8K, low compression. Looking forward to the long-term testing vid.
Chris, do you mean longevity as in that one of them will break before he other or do you mean longevity as in the time that it will be last in terms of not being an old technique? (so ssd will be likely be old quicker than ssd)
Great video man, keep up the good work :) I've spent the afternoon looking into this. Originally, I was going to swap out my 256GB internal NVME and replace it with a 1TB stick. Now I'm thinking I'll just keep the 256GB NVME in there for OS and software, then add a 2.5" SSD for working with footage (luckily have the option to do so). Appreciate the help!
I use Premier Pro a lot. I have 3 drives: 512 Gig M.2 Nvme for OS and apps 4TB SATA SSD for scratch disk and source files 8TB Archive disc for storage I find this works very well for mid-level editing - not professional really
Thank you I was debating on getting a NVME instead of buying the Samsung 960 but I wasn't sure how much of a difference their would be and I feel like ultimately 2 ssd's is the route for me
Nvme also gets way hotter so you need good airflow otherwise the performance goes downhill. Good to see there isn't much difference, I'll buy a new SATA SSD now:)
Thank you for making the video. My Lenovo IdeapadGaming 3 (2020) has an M.2 NVME SK Hynix SSD(2300 R/1000 W). If SATA SSD shows almost similar speed for video editing, I guess that replacing my SK Hynix with a fast Samsung EVO M.2 NVME pci-e 3.0 SSD (3500 R/ 2300 W) will be unnecessary at all.
Just so people know. Get two small gb (120gb) ssds, for media and cache. And two massive hdd, mirrored, to store media not processing. Then 3rd ssd/nvme for os and programs. Best way to do it. Cheapest way to do it too
Thanks for this info! Would there be any benefit for me getting a Seagate Firecuda 530 4TB Pci 4.0 ($900) over a Sabrent Rocket 4TB PCI 3.0 ($650 )for my media/project files/Dropbox drive? I will also have a separate drive (fast m.2 4.0) for my boot/OS disk, and another drive (fast m.2 4.0) for my cache/scratch files. I want to maximize performance (including scrubbing on the timeline in Davinci), but don’t want to waste $250 if the extra speed from Firecuda will just be wasted. I’m a professional creator with a good system (5950x, 64gb ram, x570 motherboard, etc.) and I will be editing 4k 30fps footage, with effects such as grading transitions, fusion, sometimes multiple video sources, and b-roll-etc. for UA-cam! Thanks for any help!
Thanks Trevor for the good points! but I assume the NVME still attracts me more, in particular copying a few GB of RAW files from SD card and editing them.
Hi Trevor, I do have: 1To SSD (with Win10 and everything on it) 2To SATA HDD (Not very used.) Q1-What is your suggestion to make my work with DaVinci Resolve more efficient with only theses 2 storages? Q2-My budget is limited, will I get a nice boost in performance if I buy another SSD? Thanks a lot for this video.
As for the 2 Sata hard disks, I don't know for what you use them, but these can be joined in stripe using windows 10 disk manager: in this way they would work like a raid 0 and double their speed. If you have for example 2x1tb disks, the system will see a single hard disk of 2 tb, that goes twice as fast in read and write operations.
Great stuff I'm flying my drone over the tesla factory now and my machine is getting slow , not trying to save money I will probably re work my drive and reformst windows and make sure all my current drives are set up properly using different parts of the cycle but maybe a faster CPU is my bottleneck with a Ryzen 1800+ wish I had a Ryzen 9
Thanks a lot! I want purchase a m2 ssd, but a friend's told me that the impact is not very big compared to the price, and your test (according my work) is the perfect test that I search :). This is true, I think ssd or m2 is not very important compared to cpu power!
My question is - so I have m1 mac mini which is gonna run 1. OS and software. 2. I HAVE 500GB Kingston ssd for cache. 3. For project files should I buy a 500gb Kingston ssd or NVME? Does the speed matters for project files storage for video editing and how?
At what point have you ever made a 500gb project? You'd be much better off with 120gb x2 ssds for media and cache, then a big ol hdd for archiving media you're not working on.
On A Dell XPS 17 Raid Config, what do you think About Drive 1: Built in SSD for OS & Programs Drive 2: Samsung 970 NVME Projects and Source Media Drive 3: Samsung T5 Scratch and Cache ? I'm pretty new to all this. I currently edit on a Sandisk extreme external SSD and use a Samsung T5 for cache but I rather have one External SSD vs 2, less cables......... I think I just answered my own question lol. I would still like your input though
the thing with externals is u need the right usb. if u have a super fast external ssd but only usb 2.0 its going to be slow. i wanted to go with an external too but for 1tb an m2 is cheaper and also 3x times faster than the external ones
well if you only have two drives, you can store completed projects on any of those and then have cache and active projects separate and you'd get the same thing with the tip you suggested.
Thanks. This was a more realistic review instead of number crunching and hypothetical data. So if im looking for faster timeline performance (not rendering and ingesting) for 4k footage like 150mbps (GH5s) and with some color grading and effects slapped onto clips.......... Then can i go with a normal SSD or a PCIe NVME card ?
@Yates Networks > Thanks... So the NVME your suggesting is for the OS or as the edit media drive ? Would AMD Ryzen 5th Gen be rock solid to handle GH5 250mbps or even 400mbps All Intra ?
but do you really need 2 TB? I think 1 Tb of NVME SSD with 2 TB of HDD is enough. For storing you can always opt for external HDDs. Tell me I am wrong.
Amd 5900x | ZOTAC GeForce RTX 2060 Super Amp 8GB GDDR6 Video Card Drive 1 M.2 SSD 2 TB Active projects Drive 2 SATA 1TB SSD Cache & Scratch Drive 3 HDD Completed Projects Drive 4 (C Drive) SATA SSD 500GB for W10 OS This should be more than ideal right? My idea is to have a separate SSD for Adobe apps like lightroom and premiere pro alone. Or am I over killing Drive 2 with 1TB when it can be 500GB instead? Input please!!
This is perfect, for the cache prob 500gb is more then enough. But if you budget allows it, I’d get 1 to incase you end up using that drive for something else.
Shouldn't the disk with LR and PS be the fastest disk? If one has the catalog and previews on that. I'm thinking on this 1 sata disk 256 for cache 1 M.2 pcie4 1 TB for LR & PS with catalog and previews 1 500 gb m2 for windows 1 sata 1 tb for active pics. Or am i totally wrong here? Just don't see why LR and Ps wouldn't benefit from a much faster m2 pcie4 instead of using a ssd. Read somewere that LR and Ps dosent really support the speeds the newest m2 gives.
02:08 *Can you explain this part a little:* - Do you have separate SSDs or separate drives in the same SSD? - Do you have the OS and the program installed in separate drives? - Cache and Scatch set to drives other than C?
@@Trevor-Bobyk im just asking cause i ordered myself a m2 and researched a bit and u can run them as sata or pcie and even when running as pcie u can set them to 2x and 4x. thanks for the answer.
@@jasonl4718 probably but cant tell u how much the difference to an m2 would be. it should bring improvements but really not sure if u would notice the difference.
So would you get a motherboard with 3 M.2 NVME slots and 6 SATA slots, or 2 M.2 NVME slots and 8 SATA slots? Does it matter if you put your active video and photo projects on the NVME and then use the SSD on SATA as cache drives? Or you can use the SSDs as active drives and the NVME as cache? Or just use SSDs for everything? I shoot photos primarily and want dabble into video as well. I have the RTX 2080 Ti GPU and just got the Ryzen 5950x. Trying to decide between -Gigabyte AORUS Master -Asus Crosshair VIII Dark Hero -Asus x570 Pro Workstation
Neither. Use your m.2 as the os and programs. Then two small ssds as cahe and the other to have the media you're working on. Then a big ol'hdd for archiving footage you're not working on. Unless you're extremely rich like many of the people here seem to be, and want to inexplicably archive footage on giant ssds?
Like holy shit transitioning from HDD to NVMe feels like dragging my ass out of the stone age. I can't wait for my backups to transfer from HDD (still going!). Whoever says NVMe is not worth it these days ($250 for 2TB gen 4 TLC 5000 MB/s read) is fucking insane and needs to shut the hell up
HOW MUCH STORAGE DO YOU NEED FOR THE MEDIA CACHE/SCRATCH DISK DRIVE!? How come knowbody answers that FUCING question? Your going to have people buying 1TB for a scratch disk.
2:19 Not being a dick, but you got the space and opportunity for some cable mgmt. And can pick up some cheap extender cablemods. White an orange would look dope in this.
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Thank you for testing 👍👍
Nice vid, albeit short. One thing people neglect is the longevity of NVMe vs SSD. That may have improved. Also, you only tested one model of the range - hopefully people realise there are more out there like the Pro and Plus.
The NVMe is definitely great in laptops due to space saving and you can even get 8TB on one stick now.
The CPU and GPU are important but the SSD is a must-have. No point in having a Titan GFX and Dual Xeons if they can’t pull the data from the source quickly enough.
I don’t see much point in installing an NVMe drive yet as the performance isn’t much greater than SSDs, although, it might be worth it when editing/grading online raw footage in 8K, low compression.
Looking forward to the long-term testing vid.
Chris, do you mean longevity as in that one of them will break before he other or do you mean longevity as in the time that it will be last in terms of not being an old technique? (so ssd will be likely be old quicker than ssd)
Thank you! Very elucidative.
salve ludo 💪💪💪
Great video man, keep up the good work :) I've spent the afternoon looking into this. Originally, I was going to swap out my 256GB internal NVME and replace it with a 1TB stick. Now I'm thinking I'll just keep the 256GB NVME in there for OS and software, then add a 2.5" SSD for working with footage (luckily have the option to do so). Appreciate the help!
I think that's a great solution. Is that setup still working well for you? I was thinking of doing something similar. Thanks Friend! 😁
@@mjgetsweird3560 very well dude! Really happy with it 😁
@@JoshEdwardsFilms Thanks Man!! :)
I use Premier Pro a lot.
I have 3 drives:
512 Gig M.2 Nvme for OS and apps
4TB SATA SSD for scratch disk and source files
8TB Archive disc for storage
I find this works very well for mid-level editing - not professional really
Thank you I was debating on getting a NVME instead of buying the Samsung 960 but I wasn't sure how much of a difference their would be and I feel like ultimately 2 ssd's is the route for me
2 NVME SSD or SATAIII SSD??? Which one did you get and why? Be clear.
Nvme also gets way hotter so you need good airflow otherwise the performance goes downhill. Good to see there isn't much difference, I'll buy a new SATA SSD now:)
NVME is also a SSD. You mistake SSD with SATA
he at one point specifically said sata based ssd.
Thank you for making the video. My Lenovo IdeapadGaming 3 (2020) has an M.2 NVME SK Hynix SSD(2300 R/1000 W). If SATA SSD shows almost similar speed for video editing, I guess that replacing my SK Hynix with a fast Samsung EVO M.2 NVME pci-e 3.0 SSD (3500 R/ 2300 W) will be unnecessary at all.
I’m using the SSD currently and it still runs great in 2021 to the year 2022..
Just so people know. Get two small gb (120gb) ssds, for media and cache. And two massive hdd, mirrored, to store media not processing. Then 3rd ssd/nvme for os and programs.
Best way to do it. Cheapest way to do it too
Great content!! I will definitely check the rest of your channel!
Thanks for this info! Would there be any benefit for me getting a Seagate Firecuda 530 4TB Pci 4.0 ($900) over a Sabrent Rocket 4TB PCI 3.0 ($650 )for my media/project files/Dropbox drive? I will also have a separate drive (fast m.2 4.0) for my boot/OS disk, and another drive (fast m.2 4.0) for my cache/scratch files. I want to maximize performance (including scrubbing on the timeline in Davinci), but don’t want to waste $250 if the extra speed from Firecuda will just be wasted.
I’m a professional creator with a good system (5950x, 64gb ram, x570 motherboard, etc.) and I will be editing 4k 30fps footage, with effects such as grading transitions, fusion, sometimes multiple video sources, and b-roll-etc. for UA-cam! Thanks for any help!
Nicely edited, the video is pretty.
Thanks!
Very helpful thank you 💚
How have u set up ur drives
Are u installing OS and programs on same drives?
What is the specification of each drive
You saved me. I was about to buy NVMe......Thanks for the tests
Same here bro..
@@pragvanshshah1881 I also found this helpful. Never heard before: ua-cam.com/video/sPMvyYt1XyI/v-deo.html
Once I turned down your narration speed to 75%, I found your demonstrations to be thorough and a model of clarity.
😂
I disagree, try ursa 12k footage with the best NLE available (resolve) and then you should see the NVMe has a significant advantage over SSD.
Any tests with nvme as boot drive vs ssd as boot drive for video editing. Trouble finding this info, most test just show boot time
because most people only use it for entertainment purposes, people making money with these type of tools are minority sadly haha
Thanks Trevor for the good points! but I assume the NVME still attracts me more, in particular copying a few GB of RAW files from SD card and editing them.
But I’m pretty sure transfer speeds in this example will depend from the SD card, not the Nvme.
good video dude! short and to the point!
Hi Trevor,
I do have:
1To SSD (with Win10 and everything on it)
2To SATA HDD (Not very used.)
Q1-What is your suggestion to make my work with DaVinci Resolve more efficient with only theses 2 storages?
Q2-My budget is limited, will I get a nice boost in performance if I buy another SSD?
Thanks a lot for this video.
As for the 2 Sata hard disks, I don't know for what you use them, but these can be joined in stripe using windows 10 disk manager: in this way they would work like a raid 0 and double their speed. If you have for example 2x1tb disks, the system will see a single hard disk of 2 tb, that goes twice as fast in read and write operations.
@@gianlucapx Thank for your answer.
However I have one ssd and one sata. Sorry for the misleading writing.
Buy two small ssd drives, one for media you're working on, and one for cache. I use two 120gb ones, pretty cheap.
@@alexandrevaliquette1941 use your sata hdd for archiving your footage.
Dope video thanks bro!
Man the real advantage of the NVMe comes out with multicam
How about After Effects? Can you check that too?
Great review. Thanks
Great stuff I'm flying my drone over the tesla factory now and my machine is getting slow , not trying to save money I will probably re work my drive and reformst windows and make sure all my current drives are set up properly using different parts of the cycle but maybe a faster CPU is my bottleneck with a Ryzen 1800+ wish I had a Ryzen 9
Thanks for the tips!
Thanks a lot! I want purchase a m2 ssd, but a friend's told me that the impact is not very big compared to the price, and your test (according my work) is the perfect test that I search :). This is true, I think ssd or m2 is not very important compared to cpu power!
Happy to help :)
Thanks for the video.
My question is - so I have m1 mac mini which is gonna run
1. OS and software.
2. I HAVE 500GB Kingston ssd for cache.
3. For project files should I buy a 500gb Kingston ssd or NVME?
Does the speed matters for project files storage for video editing and how?
At what point have you ever made a 500gb project? You'd be much better off with 120gb x2 ssds for media and cache, then a big ol hdd for archiving media you're not working on.
How do you display the "green"/"yellow" light next to "Fit" in the source panel?
On A Dell XPS 17 Raid Config, what do you think About Drive 1: Built in SSD for OS & Programs Drive 2: Samsung 970 NVME Projects and Source Media Drive 3: Samsung T5 Scratch and Cache ? I'm pretty new to all this. I currently edit on a Sandisk extreme external SSD and use a Samsung T5 for cache but I rather have one External SSD vs 2, less cables......... I think I just answered my own question lol. I would still like your input though
the thing with externals is u need the right usb. if u have a super fast external ssd but only usb 2.0 its going to be slow. i wanted to go with an external too but for 1tb an m2 is cheaper and also 3x times faster than the external ones
Os and programs should be on the nvme.
well if you only have two drives, you can store completed projects on any of those and then have cache and active projects separate and you'd get the same thing with the tip you suggested.
Noop, one for media, one for cache and a 3rd, for os and programs.
Do you think the Samsung 970 still relevant and good for 4K video editing?
I have a USB 3.1 external enclosure
What about the ultra M.2 drives?? Or am I totally out of touch with this newer hardware terminology lol?? Thought there was m.2 and m.2 Ultra
damn this is only a7iii footage though.... I just tried it on my FX3 with 10 bit but damn my computer is still slow =/
2:06 Which should go no the fastest SSD? Source files, cache/scatch,or active projects?
Thanks. This was a more realistic review instead of number crunching and hypothetical data. So if im looking for faster timeline performance (not rendering and ingesting) for 4k footage like 150mbps (GH5s) and with some color grading and effects slapped onto clips.......... Then can i go with a normal SSD or a PCIe NVME card ?
@Yates Networks > Thanks... So the NVME your suggesting is for the OS or as the edit media drive ?
Would AMD Ryzen 5th Gen be rock solid to handle GH5 250mbps or even 400mbps All Intra ?
Yates Networks > You removed your post. Very magnanimous of you.
Did you come up with a solution for this? I'm debating between an name 4.0 and 3.0 for the project drive for about the same kind of editing as you.
great , you save me money thanks
I'm thinking there may be a difference in terms of raw file transfer, rather than rendering. Example remuxing MKV to MP4.
Noop
All it's going to do is speed up whatever program you are using. Which isn't particularly important.
but do you really need 2 TB? I think 1 Tb of NVME SSD with 2 TB of HDD is enough. For storing you can always opt for external HDDs. Tell me I am wrong.
They are being silly. The nvme is for the os and programs. I'd find it hard to fill a 500gb one.
Amd 5900x | ZOTAC GeForce RTX 2060 Super Amp 8GB GDDR6 Video Card
Drive 1 M.2 SSD 2 TB Active projects
Drive 2 SATA 1TB SSD Cache & Scratch
Drive 3 HDD Completed Projects
Drive 4 (C Drive) SATA SSD 500GB for W10 OS
This should be more than ideal right? My idea is to have a separate SSD for Adobe apps like lightroom and premiere pro alone. Or am I over killing Drive 2 with 1TB when it can be 500GB instead? Input please!!
This is perfect, for the cache prob 500gb is more then enough. But if you budget allows it, I’d get 1 to incase you end up using that drive for something else.
Shouldn't the disk with LR and PS be the fastest disk? If one has the catalog and previews on that.
I'm thinking on this
1 sata disk 256 for cache
1 M.2 pcie4 1 TB for LR & PS with catalog and previews
1 500 gb m2 for windows
1 sata 1 tb for active pics.
Or am i totally wrong here? Just don't see why LR and Ps wouldn't benefit from a much faster m2 pcie4 instead of using a ssd.
Read somewere that LR and Ps dosent really support the speeds the newest m2 gives.
Which drive do you recommend the render file be for faster rendering?
02:08
*Can you explain this part a little:*
- Do you have separate SSDs or separate drives in the same SSD?
- Do you have the OS and the program installed in separate drives?
- Cache and Scatch set to drives other than C?
Ideally, you'd always want them on different physical drives. Logical drives on the same SSD would not offer any advantage.
This confused me too. I really want to hear the answers especially for the second question. 😢
Yep, you need 3 drives.
@@melontrophy7483 one for media, one for cache and a 3rd for os and programs. To have that effect.
@@melontrophy7483 you really don't need more than 120gb drives for media and cache though. Unless you're doing insanely big videos
just a question: are u sure u have the m2 in the right slot and also enabled its full potential in the bios?
Great Question, I have my NVME mounted in the slot closest to the motherboard - and do have it set to the correct settings in BIOS
@@Trevor-Bobyk im just asking cause i ordered myself a m2 and researched a bit and u can run them as sata or pcie and even when running as pcie u can set them to 2x and 4x. thanks for the answer.
@@NoisR Interesting...and what about m2 ultra? Would that bring improvements to video editing speeds?
@@jasonl4718 probably but cant tell u how much the difference to an m2 would be. it should bring improvements but really not sure if u would notice the difference.
So would you get a motherboard with 3 M.2 NVME slots and 6 SATA slots, or 2 M.2 NVME slots and 8 SATA slots? Does it matter if you put your active video and photo projects on the NVME and then use the SSD on SATA as cache drives? Or you can use the SSDs as active drives and the NVME as cache? Or just use SSDs for everything? I shoot photos primarily and want dabble into video as well. I have the RTX 2080 Ti GPU and just got the Ryzen 5950x. Trying to decide between
-Gigabyte AORUS Master
-Asus Crosshair VIII Dark Hero
-Asus x570 Pro Workstation
I found this www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Premiere-Pro-CC-2015-4-Storage-Optimization-854/
Neither. Use your m.2 as the os and programs. Then two small ssds as cahe and the other to have the media you're working on. Then a big ol'hdd for archiving footage you're not working on.
Unless you're extremely rich like many of the people here seem to be, and want to inexplicably archive footage on giant ssds?
@@curiositycloset2359 Exactly!! Good video mate!
Rendering actually goes off of ram, cpu and hard drive. GPU has nothing to do with it unless your doing cgi, 3d work and simulations.
Takeaway: 1:52
ok this saved me some money lol
ssd link?
Like holy shit transitioning from HDD to NVMe feels like dragging my ass out of the stone age. I can't wait for my backups to transfer from HDD (still going!). Whoever says NVMe is not worth it these days ($250 for 2TB gen 4 TLC 5000 MB/s read) is fucking insane and needs to shut the hell up
Não vale a pena porque não faz muita diferença do SSD Sata 3, logo é melhor comprar SSD Sata 3 mais barato.
i have my eyes on Gen4 SSDs.. i suppose this must make some difference
HOW MUCH STORAGE DO YOU NEED FOR THE MEDIA CACHE/SCRATCH DISK DRIVE!? How come knowbody answers that FUCING question? Your going to have people buying 1TB for a scratch disk.
2:19 Not being a dick, but you got the space and opportunity for some cable mgmt. And can pick up some cheap extender cablemods. White an orange would look dope in this.
Good thinking! I got a new case and cleaned up the cables a bit. Some new cables are on my list. ua-cam.com/video/Rzqm-suWxWg/v-deo.html
Can i upgrade ram or ssd for timeline performance
CPU my friend.
In 2022 970 nvme suck now