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- Many questions are raised about Dasam Granth Sahib and often these cast doubt in to the average Sikhs mind. This talk casts a critical eye at the accusations commonly made.Much of the information is from respected Punjabi speakers like Giani Sher Singh ji and Sardar Gurcharan Singh Lamba from Vancouver. This talk is within the "Not just the basics" playlist in our channel. Talk was given at celebrations for Prakash Divas of Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji organised by the Nihang Singh Jathas in the UK at Gurdwara Nanaksar Thaat in Wolverhampton. Many thanks for their invitation.
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As a muslim, what the "muslim" ruling class did to Sikhs and the sufi saints is disgraceful. I think imran khan should do borderless freedom of movement into pakistan for amritdhari Sikhs.
Well ur enlightened man
To be honest it's good that the Muslims persecuted Sikhs, it made Sikhs strong and forced them to adopt a military lifestyle, many brave and inspirational sacrifices happened which allows current Sikhs to feel proud of their history. A lot of great things came out of this persecution
I'm glad muslims like you exist .
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If only hindus had a brain 🧠 now 🤷♂️
Man i love jagraj singh, he was actually speaking everything from experience he was a true channeller of the guru
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My brother's thoughts will always remain alive in me..rip
How can a person who follows a Dharmic Panth, his soul rest in peace when we know the soul transmigrates?
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@@marasi36 chill bro
This is amazing strengthened my faith and demolished my doubts. Waheguru
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trusttt me bro!!
@@stevenanderson3289 only because there is no sex and porn in there.
@Muhammad Bakhsh I have been reading it for some years now. Have you read it?
Jo James plz point it out. Want me to quote to you the disgusting animal sex in charaitar 68.
I want to take a Week off And just Watch all your movies continuously. Thank you for the amazing vids..... GREAT JOB.
KHALSA MISSION the message is powerful to me too. Has made me go for better.
Now we can.
That's what I'm doing right now and I hope this urge to know more never ends 🛐
God bless your soul Jagrag Singh Ji.... You did a great job by blessing us with your great knowledge and wisdom.... we can learn from you even after years... You still seem to be there with us with your videos.... 🙏
haha just did that, spent days watching every video and during that time i ended up taking amrit😂 his videos are so powerful and just amazing
I wish bhai sahib was still alive
Jagraj spoke about issues that most parcharaks are shook to talk about because they might get shunned. The way he conveyed his message was on point man.
Solid explanation and beautifully presented. Thanks you for sharing and please continue with this great sewa.
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WOW! Thank You For the Knowledge! Ive just watched 10 Basics of Sikhi in a Row!!! 😊
Thank you we are learning a lot!
I have no words to thank you for clearing doubts
Thank You. Can't praise basics of Sikhi enough.
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Keep up the effort please. So our future generations know where to go for the right answers and explanation.
How are their so many uneducated people in the comments. We are just witnessing our faith get corrupted before our eyes here...
As much as his arguement may make sense by the way he tries to put these writings in context of that time period and his interpretation of the mind of the guru which is also very subjective even if it makes sense. Who has the right to intepret what Guru Gobind Singh Ji was thinking when he supposedly wrote the Dasam Granth? Noone does, and it is funny that he even assumes he can. I have provided an academic paper that relies on historical evidence as supposed to subjective interpretation of Guru Gobind Ji's thinking and rational in supposedly creating the Dasam Granth.
If you read below, you will understand why the Dasam Granth is still doubted by many to be the work of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. It is funny to me how so many people fail to address or understand the points made in this paper below.
I guarantee if anyone reads this paper below, they will understand 100% why it is impossible for Guru Gobind Singh Ji to write the Dasma Granth.
An Academic Look at Contradictions in Story of “Dasam Granth”
DASAM GRANTH - ITS HISTORY
by Daljeet Singh
[A brilliant exposition on history of “Dasam Granth” by Late S. Daljeet Singh, founder of Institute of Sikh Studies]
@@MysticShadow21 Thank you. I will definitely read this. I am not an expert, but think myself as novice.
amazing veerji!! Dhan Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji..!! Akaaal!! _/\_
Thank you for the explanation. Sharing this with other to clear their doubts.
ਬਹੁਤ ਬਹੁਤ ਧੰਨਵਾਦ ਹੈ ਜੀ ❤️😌🙏🏻
thanku veerji..get well soon
it is about understanding need more people like jagraj
the ending where he talked about the academics' meeting talking about Zafarnama erased all the doubts in my head. Waheguru ji.
We miss you so much and thanks for clearing my views on shri dasam granth ji
Ive always respected dasam granth but have never really understood it because i knew so little about but thanks to your great explanations my knowledge and respect for dasam granth ji has increased immensely thank you paji
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Miss you veere🥺
I am sure guru sahib sent you to guide us as a perfect parents.....you are the most blessed gurmukh i ever witnessed!!
paraphrasing Sant Jarnail Singh Khalsa Bhindra Wale: those who caste doubt upon Dasam Guru Granth Sahib should have been born as donkeys, as they could have served the Panth better in that form.
Still have so many questions over Dasam granth
zorawar singh ask them out to Basics of Sikhi. They’ll be able to email you back.
@@musk2494 how do i contact BOS what is there email to ask them questions
@@lavishsquad their website link is given in on the youtube channel..and u can question them
Seriously!? Still questions? You shouldn't even have questions in the first place! Bhai Sahab has made everything very clear. No offense tho, but it's just that you don't want to understand and acknowledge it.
Tusi dhann ho jugraj singh ji.
Durgas battle was channelled into the Shabd to invoke the Sikh & give him strength & courage! Gurfateh 🙏
Waheguru ji...you have cleared many questions arising in my mind related to Shri Dasam Granth Sahib...thanks a lot
Dhan Siri Waheguru Ji
If I could've given a million thumbs up to this video I would've.
You would be brainwashed then and you are brainwashed now. Go read all the sex stories and Vitchar Natak in it. You'll keep your thumbs to yourself.
@@FunHarvey You are dead to me for talking trash then, and you are trash now. Go get an education. Keep your trash to yourself
@@mikesmith7620 I loved reading your book. How a brain functions. A big fan of it!
Fun Harvey if you don’t believe in Dasam Granth Sahib Ji than you are not Sikh
@Free Thinker Maha paapi banda tu, mafe mangla ehoje chej kai Ke
beautifully explained
i cant seem to find the chandi di vaar katha which you mentioned in this video???? can i have the link please
Google - Chandi di vaar. You can find it in the search results.
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Agree with you. I was shocked to see many my Sikh friends claiming Dasam Granth to be creation of Hindus. I would ask them how intelligent that RSS worker was.
Lol your right
How are their so many uneducated people in the comments. We are just witnessing our faith get corrupted before our eyes here...
As much as his arguement may make sense by the way he tries to put these writings in context of that time period and his interpretation of the mind of the guru which is also very subjective even if it makes sense. Who has the right to intepret what Guru Gobind Singh Ji was thinking when he supposedly wrote the Dasam Granth? Noone does, and it is funny that he even assumes he can. I have provided an academic paper that relies on historical evidence as supposed to subjective interpretation of Guru Gobind Ji's thinking and rational in supposedly creating the Dasam Granth.
If you read below, you will understand why the Dasam Granth is still doubted by many to be the work of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. It is funny to me how so many people fail to address or understand the points made in this paper below.
I guarantee if anyone reads this paper below, they will understand 100% why it is impossible for Guru Gobind Singh Ji to write the Dasma Granth.
An Academic Look at Contradictions in Story of “Dasam Granth”
DASAM GRANTH - ITS HISTORY
by Daljeet Singh
[A brilliant exposition on history of “Dasam Granth” by Late S. Daljeet Singh, founder of Institute of Sikh Studies]
@@MysticShadow21 with due respect to others faith .They are the Gurus of every human being so don't limit their teachings only to what you think.
@@AnandDwivedi I am simply saying their is a difference between interpretation without considering historical evidence and context as shown in this video. No human being should be allowed to intrepret the teachings of Guru Gobind Singh Ji in a way that contradicts historical evidence to the contrary. This is not just "what I think", this is grounded in reality and evidence in uncovering Guru Gobind Singh ji's truth in regards to the Dasam Granth. Unsurmountable evidence to the contrary does not allow anyone to interpret the Dasam Granth as the work of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. There is nothing you or I can do to change this, they are historical facts and not some interpretation based on false ideas/beliefs...
Chandi di vaar simply motivates the Godly power that is in every man to not fear death that may surely come when fighting the good fight.. Ask any soldier what inspires them in the front lines.. And I mean classic warfare up to and including trench warfare.. We are all Gods and no different than all the battles described (chandi di vaar) For a soldier, the greatest recognition is that of death in battlefield and in that sense we all should never forget our responsibility of being that soldier as well
you are using chandi, gurmatt, against your mind, to fight the evils.
Waheguru ji- WoW............can't express in words. Just brialliant. In last few days, I have seen few of your videos......all are unmatched.
Sangat Ji- What is the name of Veer Ji?
Jasvinder Singh bhai jagraj Singh ji but he is no more
Good work. Waheguru
How did we become so rigid on our views...some of the comments really surprise me. Without any credibility they are making accusations on their own Guru's bani. Bani da arth hi ni samj loka nu ke jo vi Guru sahibana de mukh cho ucharan hunda h oh Bani hi hundi h
Really good katha
🙏ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ🙏
🙏ਧੰਨ ਧੰਨ ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਮਹਾਰਾਜ🙏
No dought's any more!
Waheguru . THERE IS ONLY ONE GURU FOR US , AS PER GURU GOBIND SINGH JEE , Har Sikhan Ko Hukam Hai Guru Manyo Granth.. GURU GRANTH SAHIB JEE..
+guru singh no one is saying that dasam granth is guru.
yes my dear brother
it it is part of our NITNEM.
Who said "Guru maneyo granth"?
@@arjanveersworld1838 if it is part of our Nitnem it does not mean that we bow down to Sri Dasam Granth Sahib. Guru Gobind Singh Ji Himself said that Guru Granth Sahib Ji is our Guru.
@@SikhiTimes where is it written?
Dasam Granth should be read and understood once we have an understanding and knowledge of SGGSJ. Not Meant for novices..
So you agree Dasam Granth is composed by our 10th Guru?
@@dilshadrandhawa3921 100%
@@damnsir1 go and read tria charitar with family and specially with your mother and tell him it is our 10th gurus baani or words
@@balrajsingh07-cr7 I already have my brother, and they too know about it😊
Before telling her I want to ask you do you deeply know who Mai Bhago was?
This is eyes opening.
Thank you so much 🙏
Waheguru
I have seen like 4 different comments from +Jaspreet Singh Ubhi , are you trying to take over the comment section with your half witted anti sikh comments ? Were you like :"Lets spam the comment section with non constructive arguments based on my inability to understand basic Sikhi principles."
You could have compiled all of these comment threads in one single comment and that would've been easier to answer, but wait, i don't think you were here to get an answer, but instead you were here to create doubt within the community.
Excellent waheguru ji...keep going
Feeling blessed 🙏🙏
Sikh history is very powerful i will study it and know about. ...
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So true
God has blessed you S.Jugraaj Singh
Where is this? Which Guidestar?
Which gurudwara was this?
There is Lot Of Brahmin Literature In this Bachitra Natak(Dasam Granth) Which Teaches Brahmin Customs Like How to Praise Mahakaal(Shiv).How to Organise Havans(Fire Pray) etc.
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Bhai Saab ji.... boht-boht dhanwaad....... today with this video of yours i've understood that Guru Sahib has designed everything for us in order to make us totally independent to follow Waheguru. Guru Sahib gave us everything for a reason for both logical and religious point for making it easy to understood with knowing importance of it. I had same confusion regarding the Granth but I always tried to know more n more about it, and by Waheguru's kirpa i'm able to get what it meant for........ I will try to learn about Dasam Granth and Sarbhloh Granth and Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj and also preach about them as much sewa Akaal Purakh will take from me............
I just wanted to ask one little thing........ Is there upload regarding detailed knowledge about Dasam Granth and can you suggest me few websites to learn more about Gurubani and Guru Itihaas more........
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Thankyou Veer ji....... i took some knowledge from sikhiwiki, but on concept of dasam granth sikhiwiki isn't guiding things straight and good coz it states Guru Gobind Singh ji as punar avatar of Dusht Daman who was created by sadhu while devi was seeking safe place to hide........ this was the thing i understood with my alpmatt.....
if there's correction please let me know.....
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Who wrote sarbloh granth
@@GurpreetSingh-qm9ufguru Gobind singh ji
sikh unity is needed
Veerji jugraj g pls answer this for me is hemkunt sahib related to guru gobind Singh hi or not?????
What are you talking abiut? Are you gone mad that you are asking such stupid questions. I know some people in roop of sikhs are apreading wrong about hemkunt sahib and dasam granth like dhumma and many more. All have been talked in this video .
Many people spread wrong Information about dasam granth
Because Sikh get power from that Granth sahib ji
Thanks a lot for sharing useful information but I have one question in guru granth sahib every guru mention guru nank dev ji in their bani but why not in dasam granth. Only guru gobind singh name why not guru nanak ji pls answer my question if somebody has specific answer thanks a lot
Because the structure of bani in Sri Dasme Patshah Granth Sahib is different from bani of SGGS. Because of this I personally beleive that Guru Gobind Singh did not want it to be added to SGGS hence why Guru Sahib left a difference in the bani in that it never used the same structure.
Carry on veerji well done .i was against this but now with the help of Waheguru Ji n your thoughts I bow down to dasham Granth .
Thank you sooooooo much veerji
.waheguru Ji ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki fateh
Ssa Paji. Do you think in Chandi di vaar Guru Gobind Singh could be saying Durga to his Sword???
Sword is Bhagauti.
ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਿਹ
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Wageguru Ji ki Fateh. :) I commentd on three vedios on this topic without knowledge, After watching this vedio I realized my mistake. I then went back and deleted those comments and instead put the link to this vedio. I didn't realize what i was doing. I could never disrespect the Guru's Jis bani. I ask forgiveness form my maharaj and Waheguru Maharaj. Thank you for this vedio. I thought Sikhs were trying to create another Guru, that was my confusion.Thank you, this dispelled my doubts. I feel terrible for acting too soon and grateful for this vedio. I should go to the temple and apologize to Guru Ji.
SO glad u made this video!
As a Sikh, I am still confused about Dasam Granth Sahib. I heard a lot of "that's wicked joot, not of Guru's mouth." or "Don't read it, it's all about sex and porny stuff."
+Ash Phillips Bro try to read it yourself and you will know what they are trying to say.
Guruji is just telling us about kaam and how dangerous it is. WJKK WJKF
+Ash Phillips Truth it is mostly to uplift the spirits and moral character of Khalsa male and female , the chaitro pakhyan is the bit most folks find worrying , but it's like this: Guru Gobind SIngh ji is our Father , and our father warns us about the duplicity and dangers of people who are adharami and ruled by their 5 chor how they are corrupt and will try to corrupt us given the chance. It is the same advice to my boys who are unaware of how tricky people are ... RSS know Dasam Granth and Sarab Loh Granth why ? because they know they are part of the strength/adolta of Khalsa and SIkhi , they are happy when we distance ourselves from Gurbani (all the Gurus) their stooges in SGPC gurdwarey get all ruffled when dasam bani is being recited in kirtan darbars and try to shut it down , when we all know that we are allowed to do this. ..the evidence is there for every one to see on video after video
Jasbir Kaur Villaschi we were always told it was heretical things put into it. Downloaded a copy and will be reading it tomorrow.
+Jasbir Kaur Villaschi exactly!
Very nice clearer my doubts
What is timing for reciting akal ustat path?
It can be read at any time most Sikhs read it at Amrit Vela
Dasam Granth Zindabad!
Turbanator be commenting on every Basics of Sikhi video
Look bro dasam granth as the one today is not 100% legit but close. Like it was compiled into one by a mere mortal and possibly many mistakes into transcribing it. There are many types of dasam granths and many have different wordings. Also it could also be that many works like chandi ki vaar , bachitar natak(there are many types of bachitar natak itself) could be written by Gurujis court contemporaries and or by oral accounts composed(just like Suraj parkash) into written and while that literary work is still very important it still is not 100% baani. So my suggestion would be that we disintegrate dasam granth and judge each work individually as we are sure about certain ones being True and certain ones being questionable.
Like guruji writing "shiv" and then it going through oral tradition or transcribing turned into "baghwan shiv " by a nihung or udaasi out of respect completely changes the context. That's why the sangat cannot back the dasam granth 100%.
Love it .... facts facts facts points of references ..... exactly what I was looking for..... :-)
Thank u singh saab.
very nice
R.I.P bruv. God bless you
Who died???
@@user-yh7br7oo4z the one in the video is late jagraj singh.
get well soon paaj!!
He is no more with us
Satbir Singh ...what happened to him, whats his name?
@@user-yh7br7oo4z cancer 😓 , Bhai Jagraj Singh ji 😓🙏🏻
I'm in agreement that it is better to stay quiet rather than stoke up another controversy but have I hope a valid question. We agree that all of the bani was written by Guru Sahib, but how did Bhai Mani Singh Ji know in what order to collate the bani or was it random and are the current printed saroops accurate when compared with the original version?
Veer g By exactly the same way, bhai mani singh g did selection of nitnem baani in the request of gursikhs and guru sahib ordered him to do...now why only bhai Mani Singh g... because of vast divine knowledge of guru sahib bani...in the same way he collate dasam granth bani...for more just read it once...the way it compiled you will understand 🙏
My understanding from Suraj panth prakash is that Gurus and Bhai Mani Singh channelled it
Where can I read all the hukamnamas by guru gobind singh and mata sahib kaur?
Get a book called Puratan Hukamname by Piara Singh Padam. Look on Sikh Book Club online
Basics of Sikhi thanks
Basics of Sikhi I can't find it.sorry paji
sikhbookclub.com/Book/Rahitname
Basics of Sikhi thanks and sorry.
Wow. It makes so much sense now. It explains why Guru Ji even talked about hindu gods. It is not to praise them, but to allow Sikhs to come to their own conclusion by hearing how absurd their stories are. Waheguru Ji!
Guruji himself was absurd and ran away living his sons.
@@sonusonu-qv4op nope, keep seething
@@sonusonu-qv4op lmao his sons willingly sacrificed themselves. he didn't even escape until all of his Sikhs begged him to. He even told the Mughals that he was escaping and they still couldn't catch him. Lmao
@@sukitron5415 they were just murdered but you people are champion of distorting history.
@@sonusonu-qv4op murdered by who? Give me sources. I have many to prove mine. "You people" lmao
DID GURU GOBIND SINGH WORSHIP 40 CHANDI DEVI BHAGVATI ?
( Note : This is to clarify some points, on above subject, in the article written by Dr. Debabrata Das of Kolkata printed in Sikh Review of January , 2008 ) Dr. D.Das has very nicely interpreted the quotations from Guru Granth Sahib on pages 227, 456, 1138 and 1162 on the principle of worshipping one and only transcendental Brahm (Nirguna Brahm). He has very correctly summed up that
(1) Sikhs reject all the gods and the goddesses,
(2) these deities, being under the influence of Maya, are unable to know the secrets of the Lord,
(3) these deities cannot help their devotees in the attainment of emancipation,
(4) these deities are prone to death like other beings.
So far all O.K. Dr.D.Das has not gone deep into the question “Who is the Author of the Bachitra Natak Granth or the socalled Dasam Granth?” Critical study of this Granth reveals the names of the poet Shyaam (Kabi Shyaam) , poet Raam (Kabi Raam) and poet Kaal (Kabi Kaal). These poets were worshippers of Mahakal-Kalka or destructive-Ardh-narishwar form of Shiv/Durga; the fact amply proved by following statement in the Bachitra Natak Granth or the so called Dasam Granth :- Sarabkaal hai Pitaa apaaraa . Debi Kaalka Maat hamaaraa ( page 73) Reference to Mahakal (destructive form of Shiv) is taken from Shiv Purana (story of Dvadash-lingama) and reference to Kalka (destructive form of goddess Parbati / Durga) is taken from Markanday Purana.
In DebiUstat (page 809 in Bachitra Natak Granth) many names have been assigned to this goddess (derived from Markanday Purana’s Durga Sapt-shatee, 700 shlokas or verses), such as Durga, Bhavani, Shakti, Bhagvati, Shiva, Kaali, Mahakaali, Kaal, Kaalka,Chhimaa, Manglaa, totalaa and so on. Even the composition wrongly-called Akaal Ustat has 20 stanzas (211 to 230) praising Goddess Durga, the killer of demon Mahikhasur; last line of each stanza is Jai jai Hosee Mahikhasur mardan….. which shows that Akaal Ustat is actually Kaal - Ustat or Devi-Durga-Ustat. Poets Shyaam & Raam further emphasise that they are worshippers of Mahakal / Kalka:- Maen Na Ganeshaeh Pritham Manaun. Kishan Bishan Kabhun Na Dheayaun Kaan sunay Pehchaan na tinn sion. Liv laagee Moree pug ein sion MAHAAKAAL Rakhvaaar Hamaaro. Mahaaloh Hum Kinkar Thaaro. (Page 309 of B.N. Grnth ) These lines very clearly show that writers know no other deity than Mahakaal, also called Mahaaloh.
A disciple (Sikh) of Mahakaal is baptised by forcing him to drink wine & narcotics :- Eh Chhal so Misrah Chhalaa Paahan Dae Bahaae. ] Mahakaal ko Sikh Kar Madiraa Bhaang Pivaae. ] (page 1210 of Bachittar Natak Granth)
In Mahakal / Kalka temples OR Shiv / Parvati temples madira(alcohol/wine) & Bhang(intoxicant) are distributed as PRASAD , whereas Guru Granth Sahib very strongly forbids the consumption of alcohol, wine , drugs, narcotics etc. in any form as an intoxicant , Amrit Ka Vapaaree hovae Kyaa Mad Chhuchhae Bhao Dhrae.(page 360;Guru Granth Sahib)
Thus, we can easily conclude that Bachittar Natak Granth or the so-called Dasam Granth was not written by Guru Gobind Singh, because in this Granth (i) one & only transcendental Brahm () is not worshipped , (ii) consumption of wine/alcohol/ intoxicants is permitted (iii) adultery / homosexuality is also allowed (iv) women are defamed ; said to be treacherous (v) writer-poets commit mistakes / wrong history etc. & permit the reader to rectify mistakes. All these are opposed to basic principles laid down in the holy Guru Granth Sahib. We have to interpret the verses from the so-called Dasam granth with reference to context, especially Bhagvati in Chandi Chritras. In Var Sri Bhagauti ji ki OR Durga ki Var (see ending remarks in earlier copies of Bachitra Natak Granth ) where First stanza begins with ‘Pritham Bhgauti Simar Ke….’
And the last 55th stanza is “ Durga Paath Banaeya Sabhaey Pauriaan…..” that entire composition is Durga-Paath only ( translated form of 700 shlokas) & this proves beyond any doubt that Bhagvati is Durga, the killer of 41 demons named Mahikhasur, Dhumar-lochan, Shumbh, Nishumbh etc. as described in Markanday Puraan and translated by Poets Shyaam, Raam & Kaal (apparent reason for three-Durga-chritras in Dasam granth). In the following line of Guru Granth Sahib, Sukhmani Mahla 5, Bhagauti Bhagwant Bhagat Ka Rang . Bhagauti is in entirely different context ; here Bhagauti is a ‘person’ who is devotee of , the formless God. The title Patshaahee 10 written on some pages of the so-called Dasam Granth is also a big Fraud. This fraud is revealed on page 155 of this so-called Dasam Granth when we go through the lines : Patshaahee 10. Ath Chaubees Avtar . ……..Barnat ‘Shyaam’ Jathaa Mat Bhaaee. Name of the writer / Poet Shyaam is very clearly written and this leaves no doubt that Patshahee 10 is written by some mischievous person to defame Guru Gobind Singh and to misguide the Sikhs ; this fraud / trick is played in similar way on page 669 of the so-called Dasam Granth also. In Guru Granth Sahib, Mahla 1, Mahla 2,…Mahla 9 are written for Gurus upto 9th but for tenth Guru why is Patshaahee 10 instead of Mahla 10 ? Sikhs , having utmost regard for the Guru, used to address the Guru very humbly with the word Patshaah and thus, Patshaahee 10 is not written by the Guru but by some-one else with malafide intentions. All research scholars should read original texts and should not just copy other writers; secondary evidence is usually not reliable. While quoting Sikh history, we have to be careful to analyse it in the light Guru Granth Sahib Vaani and philosophy. Any story that goes against Gurbanee and /or Sikh traditions is not Sikh History which could be distorted by some anti-Guru writers; the fact rightly understood by Dr.D.Das.
All the Sikh Gurus were the same Jyot () & preached same way / principles of life (jugat) as clarified in Guru Granth Sahib:- Jot ohaa Jugat Saai Saih Kaaeyaa Pher palateeae . ( Page 966 , Guru Grnth Sahib ) Sixth Guru, Guru Hargobind Sahib, after the martyrdom of his father Guru, Guru Arjan Sahib, kept two swords and this tradition of martial spirit was kept alive by the successors. Ninth Guru, Guru Teg Bahadar Sahib earned this name when he showed prowess in fighting with a sword (Teg) when he was 14 years of age , in a battle against Muslim forces. These Gurus never called sword or Khanda as any Goddess as Creator and nowhere they said anything which could be similar to saying “Jai Tegum..” Why should Guru Gobind Singh be defamed as worshipper of Khanda / Teg / Devi CHANDI /SHIVA etc.etc.?
It is an historical fact that Bhai Lehna ( who later on became 2nd Guru of the Sikhs, Guru Angad) was worshipper of Devi Durga ,but, after serving Guru Nanak for many years, he clearly understood the real path to God, the GURMAT, and the reality that Devi Durga cannot help him in attainment emancipation . This is very clearly written in the Holy Guru Granth Sahib : Tu Kaheeat hi Adi-Bhavani. Mukat ki bareeaa kahaan chhapaanee. ( page 874) It is further clarified in Gurbani, Gaurhi Sukhmani Mahla 5, Jab Nirgun Prabh Sahaj Subhai. Tab Shiv Shakti kahau kit thaien. which means that , when God did not create the visible world/universe , where were Shiva and his wife Parvati (Shakti) ? i.e. these so-called Gods & Godesses did not exist. This year , the Sikhs are celebrating 300th anniversary of Guruship of Guru Granth Sahib. Guruship was endowed by Guru Gobind Singh 300 years ago on this very Granth only which was got written by Guru Gobind Singh at Sabo Ki Talvandi (Punjab) after including Gurbani of Ninth Guru in the Adi Granth.
At that time, Dasam Granth did not even exist (refer to introduction by Dr. Ratan Singh Jaggi in the first volume translating the so-called Dasam Granth in five volumes) ; this is an historical fact every historian ought to know. In nutshell, we conclude that the so-called Dasam Granth, which was originally named as Bachitra Natak Granth , is based on Markanday Puraan, Shiv Puraan, Srimad Bhaagvat Puran (stories of Ramayan, Krisnavtaar, 24 avtaars of Vishnu) and translated by the poets Shyaam, Raam etc in a language, style and principles entirely different from those of the Nine Sikh Guru Nanak(s) & Guru Granth Sahib. Guru Gobind Singh during Guruship period (1675 to1708) never visited Hemkunt & never written or followed or preached anything against the holy Guru Granth Sahib.
He was undoubtedly worshipper of only & only . GURU GOBIND SINGH NEVER WORSHIPPED DURGA / CHANDI / SHIVA / KALKA.
Every Gur-Sikh should follow Guru Granth Sahib only as ordained by Guru Gobind Singh in 1708. All other Granths are just literature (Kachchee Bani) and not Gurbani
Loved it. Please see how iskon temple raise cows. It should help gurudware raising their own in future.
Faith in our Guru! WJKK Sri WJKF!!!!!
Je kise nu shanka uthi dasam granth utte remember one thing jinne bi shaheed hoye ne kaum de they never had doubts 😊
@basicsof sikhi. Could u make a video on Sarbloh Granth. There isnt much information about it on the internet.
+Gunprabh Chadha veer ji look on FB 'sri sarabloh granth ji' and 'tisarpanth'
+Jasbir Kaur Villaschi thankyou. Regards...
Sarbloh Granth Sahib jee was written in sat yug by Guru gobind singh jee and then dug up at sachkhand sri hazoor sahib and then translated by Guru gobind singh jee from Hindi to Gurmukhi. Sarbloh Granth Sahib jee tells the khalsa how to live. Akaal
waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji fathe
Great job. Bro.....keep it up
An excellent video on Sri Dasme Patshah's Granth.
Bisquit?
@@premsingh-yi4dg DG believers are in fact a sex cult and they need to leave/be kicked from Panth. Then you can go read anal sex dirt stories in your Playboy mansion.
Great
Salute to you Sir You are Mahapurakh
@ 24:00 is the real answer to all these wrong accusations made by some ignorant people .. Guys why do you need to know only about sexual content written in it , why not any other. Guru gobind singh has just told you the heights of the woman can reach in destroying you , so you just be careful .
I totally understand , its not if some one is guru he should not have written some thing like this . Why ??? Whats wrong in that ..??
People dont take the marvellous personality of our guru by these baseless and senseless questions .. understand with your soul , there is nothing wrong in it .
+Harman Bajwa Bro. YOU understand with your soul, with your Kesh cut and clean shaven face, you are wrong yourself all the way.
Jaspreet Singh Ubhi I am really sorry but your comment is useless . One can change to sikhi saroop after knowing all the things and may be i am in the process of doing that.. But your absurd comment shows you are also one of the ignorant .
Also we are not talking about me we are talking about Guru , so better make comment on that with whatever knowledge you have.
+Jaspreet Singh Ubhi Also if you are true sikh of guru as you say , then atleast remove this UBHI as a surname , Guru gave us only "Singh" , No caste .
I am wrong yes , i too have my surname displayed. I am just correcting you .
+Harman Bajwa Bro. Guru Sahib (SGGS) have asked for not to take pride in your caste, and not advised for mentioning it.
Now read from 'the Natak' opposite to SGGS's sermon wherein the writer gives a proud statement 'Shatri ko poot haon, brahmin ko nahin'
And indeed you are doing wrong with taking off GuruJi's given 'singh' from your name, if you are one, though you don't look like a Singh at all with your clean shaven face and opposite thoughts.
Bro. pls. come back to SGGS Ji only if in any way you are associated with Sikhism.
I chose to reply for other readers only.
God bless you.
+Jaspreet Singh Ubhi bro i told u i am wrong but u r too thats what i told you..
No caste nothing only singh is allowed and if u still believe u want to put the surname then u too believes in jatt paat..
Understand about it and regarding dasam granth it seems u dont believe the writings of guru , its just a biography of guru and not our guru.
Hope u understand now ..
Did any of the khalsa sikhs at that time put their caste after SINGH. .. No
Dont
Make your own rules .
Very good great best
Man, once I started reading Charitropakhyan, i just couldn't stop! Never felt better, full of beerj ( ਬੀਰਜ ) ras. It's better if you start with chirtar 402 first.
ਭਗ ਮੋ ਲਿੰਗ ਦਿਯੋ ਰਾਜਾ ਜਬ ॥ ਰੁਚਿ ਉਪਜੀ ਤਰਨੀ ਕੇ ਜਿਯ ਤਬ ॥
ਲਪਟਿ ਲਪਟਿ ਆਸਨ ਤਰ ਗਈ ॥ ਚੁੰਬਨ ਕਰਤ ਭੂਪ ਕੇ ਭਈ ॥੨੫॥
ਗਹਿ ਗਹਿ ਤਿਹ ਕੋ ਗਰੇ ਲਗਾਵਾ ॥ ਆਸਨ ਸੌ ਆਸਨਹਿ ਛੁਹਾਵਾ ॥
ਅਧਰਨ ਸੌ ਦੋਊ ਅਧਰ ਲਗਾਈ ॥ ਦੁਹੂੰ ਕੁਚਨ ਸੌ ਕੁਚਨ ਮਿਲਾਈ ॥੨੬॥
ਇਹ ਬਿਧਿ ਭੋਗ ਕਿਯਾ ਰਾਜਾ ਤਨ ॥ ਜਿਹ ਬਿਧਿ ਰੁਚਾ ਚੰਚਲਾ ਕੇ ਮਨ ॥
ਬਹੁਰੌ ਰਾਵ ਬਿਦਾ ਕਰਿ ਦਿਯੋ ॥ ਅਨਤ ਦੇਸ ਕੋ ਮਾਰਗ ਲਿਯੋ ॥੨੭॥
Manpreet Singh
What Gian you got? How to do various poses? Thats Gian in Kamasutra too and other Scriptures.
@@oneformlesslord607 o ta ki Hoya Guru Sahib ne jo dasya e o sach hi dasya hona
wahegure wahegure ji 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I love SGGS Ji.
You have expressed your 'manmat' on all my comments but not here? I was expecting at least you'd say 'I love SGGS Ji too' You know, you have missed your chance bro. : )
+Jaspreet Singh Ubhi If I say "I love my mother" does that equate to "I hate my father"
In any case, it's a little weird to hear, because it a context that is taken as a given, not as a construct. If you never said "I love SGGS Ji", do you think that everyone reading these comments would feel that you didn't love SGGS Ji?
Do you feel that you need to tell everyone you meet, that you love your parents?
@@karpetcabin IS your mother and Father Guru Granth Sahib. Or is Guru Granth Sahib Mother and father Saab is Dasam Granth?
Do you not sound like an idiot here? Do research. Don't only do what this so called Panth wants. Watch my video if you need help>
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@@FunHarvey if your mother and father is SGGS can you tell me where your mother and father tell you to keep "Singh/Kaur" in your name?
Only question. Straight forward answer please.
@@karpetcabin At that time it was a important move. It was one more way we said that cast does not exist to us. Today most people have their last name attached again. SODHI, BHATTI, ETC
Gurbani does not talk about magic. It goes against it. Dasam Granth talks about magic and past lives. Your choice is yours!
we true, all those who speak foul of gurbani of 10 guru must be discommunicated from sikh panth.
they dont even read the Guru granth sahib, which have bani of dasam guru.
bani of dasam guru in dasam granth was put in diffrent because it was much more related to this world path. while guru granth sahib was all about spirtual path.
sikh is supposed to be indulged in spirtual as well word yet remaing deattached.
Specially mind control de layi sb ton best path kehra ?? poore shri guru granth sahib cho kehra path aa jo khaas krke mind nu control ch rakhe ???
Where can i find a translation of dasam granth sahib ji
Bro u gotta learn gurmukh i
Search on google
Great...Dhan Guru Granth Sahib Ji Dhan Dasam Granth Sahib Ji
Dhan Sarbloh Granth Sahib Ji
Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj
nihang singh say that ram chander, durga, and krishan were the avtars of their times, and the Khalsa is the avtar of this time (kal yug). therefore these "hindu" gods were actually sikhs of their own eras, because sikh/khalsa have avtar padhvi today. if Krishan or ram chander were to avtar on earth today, their form would be that of a sikh/khalsa, because khalsa is the upholder of dharam in this yug. the former were upholders of dharam in their respective yugs.
Chandragupta Vikramaditya It's actually the other way around, Sikhs have existed since Sat Yug, its "Hinduism" that is a recent venture. Every avtar from Sat Yug to kal Yug was a Sikh.
***** could you clarify please.
***** I wasn't talking about Devte per se. I was talking about Avtars and Sikhs. Shiva, Vishnu, and Brahma are Devte who also took human birth, or avtar, just like our soul has right now. If you read the Chaupai Sahib, Guru Gobind Singh Ji delineates how Shiva took avtar, Brahma took, and Akal made him the King of the Vedas, and how Vishnu took avtar. Just like how our Sant Mahapurakh take avtar and do bhagti, Shiva, Brahma, and Vishnu did the same, in human form, they did their bhagti and Akal pooja and then left for Sach Khand, just like how Sants did in the kal yug today. Like Sant Jarnail Singh Khalsa Bhindran Wale. But in their own yugs. The point Guru Ji makes at the end of Chaupai Sahib, is that it is the pooja of Akal that makes one great. That the Purana, Ved, Koran, or any avtar is not great without the pooja of Akal. That is why we say Pooja Akal Ki, Parcha Shabd Ka, Didar Khalsay Ka.
*****"Kal Purakh ki Deh kot bisan Mahesh" meaning there are millions of Vishnu and Shiva inside the body of Akal Purakh, just like there are millions of humans, not all humans become brahm Giani, and therefore not all brahma or Shiva become Brahm as well. But the Shiva of Kailash Parbat did have avtar in Sat yug, and using Shabd Guru did gain Mukti in Sat Yug. That is why Guru Gobind Singh Ji uses His name interchangeably with Akal Purakh in the Shabd "De Shiva bar mohe, shub karman te kub hu na daron." (Give me this var, word, Shiva, that I may never shy away from doing good and speaking Truth.) Further saying "Bib bichar kach nahe" meaning there is no difference between the devotee who has connected to Akal Purakh and Akal Purakh himself. That is why the shabd Shiva is used to mean Akal Purakh in that particular line. And "Jug Jug Bhagat Upaya, Paij rakhda aya Ram RAje." meaning in each Yug there are Bhagats, in Sat Yug the bhagats and Avtars were Shiva and Vasudev Vishnu, in Treta it was Ram Chander, in Dwapar, it was Krishna Bhagwan, in Kal Yug it is Guru Khalsa and Guru Granth. Every Jug has had bhagats, and therefore every Yug has had those who did attain Mukti.
***** Guru Gobind Singh Ji wrote Chaubis avtar. delineating all 24 avtars of Vishnu, out of which Ram Chander and Krishna are two. Guru Gobind Singh explicitly says in Chapai Sahib that Ram Chander went to Sach khand, he was avtar of Vishnu. Guru Sahib also uses Krishna interchangeably with Akal as well. Moreover, they are considered the avtars and Sat Gurus of their respective Yugs. The WaHeGuRu gurmantar is taken from the gurmantars provided from the Sat Gurus of all 4 Yugs. It is written explicitly in Bhai Gurdas Ji's Varan. So you are saying Bhai Gurdas Ji is a liar then? Guru Sahib is saying in reference to your first quote, that we do not praise Shiva for being Shiva, "Mahakal Rakhvar hamaro." We praise Shiva and use his name with resepct because he was attached to Akal, or MahaKal. Similarly the only reason we respect our Gurus is because they are attached to Akal and further instruct us to attach to Akal, otherwise there is no point of having a Sat Guru or Sikhi. Guru Gobind Singh in bachhitar Natak clearly says I am not to be worshipped, the only one worthy of worship is Akal. He says the samething in regards to Shiva as well, who did connect to Akal in the Sat Yug through the Shabd Guru.
As expected! A lot Many comments
Trying to learn this. Anyone have any suggestions on where to get a basic understanding of this??
I’m sorry what’s your question? What would you like to learn ?
DONT THIS IS BS
As much as his arguement may make sense by the way he tries to put these writings in context of that time period and his interpretation of the mind of the guru which is also very subjective even if it makes sense. Who has the right to intepret what Guru Gobind Singh Ji was thinking when he supposedly wrote the Dasam Granth? Noone does, and it is funny that he even assumes he can. I have provided an academic paper that relies on historical evidence as supposed to subjective interpretation of Guru Gobind Ji's thinking and rational in supposedly creating the Dasam Granth.
If you read below, you will understand why the Dasam Granth is still doubted by many to be the work of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. It is funny to me how so many people fail to address or understand the points made in this paper below.
An Academic Look at Contradictions in Story of “Dasam Granth”
DASAM GRANTH - ITS HISTORY
by Daljeet Singh
[A brilliant exposition on history of “Dasam Granth” by Late S. Daljeet Singh, founder of Institute of Sikh Studies]
Please stay focused on Siri Guru Granth Sahib, if you want sikhi to grow.
iqbal bath no let's focus on ALL of Sikhi.
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@@karpetcabin Dasam Granth is Not part of Sikhs.
It's a thank you to the British and the fake Sikhs that came after Guru ji. They wanted to rule.
Show me any Guru that RULED over people. Dasam Granth Says Raaj Bina Na Dharm Chale hai...
@@FunHarvey your understanding of Sri Dasme Patshahs Granth is wrong straight away if you think the British had anything to do with it.
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HISTORY - 18TH CENTURY CHHIBBER’S STORY
Most of the evidence about the present work called the ‘Dasam Granth’ is negative. The earliest reference about some writings by the Tenth Master is by Chhibber in his ‘Bansavalinama’. Contemporary historians of the period of Guru Gobind Singh like Sainapat, Bhai Nandlal, Chaupa Singh, Sewadas, Koer Singh or Bhai Mani Singh, make no mention of the Dasam Granth or any such writing in the period. This negative evidence is quite significant and strong.
For, had there been any compilation like the Dasam Granth, these contemporary chroniclers could never have failed to mention it. The first reference to some writings by the Tenth Guru is in Chhibber’s ‘Bansavalinama’ written 71 years after the Guru’s demise. This volume, as assessed by scholars like Jaggi, Kohli and others, has not been found to be very reliable as to its dates and other particulars. Besides, the author himself says that he is no chronicler, but has based the writing merely on hearsay, and just as a matter of his hobby: “I state what I had heard and what I could recollect.” “This hearsay I record just by way of my hobby (shauk).”[1] Thus, Chhibber himself discounts the historical accuracy of his statements, for, he claims to belong only to the third generation of a Brahmin family whose head was a contemporary of the Tenth Master.
Further, two important points have also to be kept in view. First, most Brahmin writers always have a strong, natural and understandable bias to give a Brahminical colour to the Sikh religion and its history, even though all the Sikh Gurus were emphatic to proclaim the independence of their system and the Panth. The Fifth Master wrote:
“I keep not the Hindu fast, nor do I observe Muslim month of fast;
I serve only Him, who emancipates all; He is my Gosain;
He is my Allah; I have found release from the Hindus as from the Turks;
I visit not the pilgrim places of Hindus, nor go to Kaaba for Haj;
1 serve only God, I serve not any other;
I worship not the Hindu way, nor say the Muslim prayers;
I bow to the one God within my heart;
I am neither a Hindu, nor a Muslim;
For, my body and life belong to Him, Allah and Ram.”[2]
Second, Guru Gobind Singh had put the final seal on this complete separateness, by the creation of the Khalsa, the Nash Doctrine (Dharam Nash, Bharam Nash, Karam Nash, Sharam Nash and Janam Nash), and the declaration of Guru Granth Sahib as the sole Ideological Guide and Living Guru of the Sikhs. Yet, these writings have shown a subtle tendency to reshape and reframe Sikh events, so that these are accepted by the gullible as a part of the Brahminical tradition.
Following is what Chhibber records: The Guru got written a Granth (book) called ‘Samundar Sagar’. Later he got it thrown in a river.” “Later still he composed other writings.” “But, during the battles at Anandpur, the leaves of these writings or packets (Sanchian) were scattered to the wind and lost.”[3] Chhibber is vague about the contents or nature of these writings. Once he calls it ‘Samundar Sagar’, at another time ‘Avtar Leela’.[4] There is no reference at all to ‘Dasam Granth’, ‘Bachittar Natak’, ‘Chandi Charitar’, ‘Chandi di Var’, ‘Charitropakhyan’ or ‘Chaubis Avtar’, as these are called now.
It is clear that it was peace time when the Guru had thrown the Samundar Sagar Granth in the river. Could it ever happen that he would destroy gurbani, his own or that of earlier Gurus, or any thing of value to Sikhs? Gurbani has always been considered sacred, and been venerated more than even the Guru. Evidently, the writings were such as could conveniently be discarded. The argument applies doubly to the packets that were never completed or compiled, and were allowed to be scattered.
Thus, Chhibber’s story adds nothing to our knowledge about the Dasam Granth writings, their compilation or loss. Therefore, the negative evidence of all contemporary chroniclers, coupled with the evidence of
Chhibber’s story, shows that till the end of the 18th century, there was nothing known about any granth of the Tenth Guru, or any writings now regarded as its chapters or contents. In fact, the only granth or compilation mentioned in the literature is ‘Vidya Sagar’ or ‘Samundar Sagar Granth’, the contents of which have no relation to the present Dasam Granth.
waheguru ji
Bahoot vadia please watch
Anyone have any doubts on dasam granth should listen sant maskeen g katha about dasam granth....
Maskeen was Nirmala
@@garryj7845 okay and?