Excellent review, Oliver. I don't wish to offend anyone. Terminator Salvation was not a favorite film in the Terminator series. I felt it wasn't the same without Arnold Schwarzenegger. Maybe, if the film is on TV again in the near future I may watch it again and give it another go.
I've just had an idea. You could do a 35th anniversary retrospective of The Terminator franchise of all the movies including the TV show Sarah Connor Chronicles and you could do it dressed up as The Terminator where we actually see you reviewing them.
Lol I’m so used to the “if you’re listening to this, you are the resistance!” Line being used by Alex Jones on his InfoWars radio show when he comes back from commercials
This was a very very very grossly UNDERRATED movie. I think this is the third best movie of the franchise. It had the BEST portrayal of a grown up John Conor, and it showed multiple types of terminators from the motor bikes to the giant hunters. I didn't understand all the Hate it got.
It got hate from the Terrible 3rd Act of the movie. It has a terrible ending. But I agree Act 1 & 2 are 10/10 for me. Easily the third best Term movie.
Yup, Salvation is a good Terminator film to me, it was also respectful to the X3 Altered lore built up to that point... which in itself was quite impressive. People forget that it's a continuation of the previous 3 films (Altered timeline and models) and early in the resistances existence. I hoped/hope to see more of the future wars, especially when t-800's are mass produced and the resistance gets organised, something the game Terminator: Resistance does well.
Personally, I applaud it for changing the series’ structure. Every other film is shown from the past. Which is old hat at this point, not to mention the apocalyptic future glimpsed at during the opening of T2 is something everyone remembers. So setting the film in that future is genius, as that’s something everyone WANTS to see. Robots fighting humans, rather than hearing stories about robots fighting humans.
T3 and Salvation has nothing to offer. At least Genesys has a good vibe, mood, and style in my opinion. I will never want to watch T3 and Salvation again. Genesys is a lot more fun.
I think the biggest reason McG gets a lot of flack is because he calls himself McG. That just makes you want to punch him before you even know anything else about him.
How can he think Salvation didn’t change enough? We literally got to finally see a Terminator movie set in this post apocalyptic future war that T1, T2 and T3 spent their entire runtime yapping about.
I felt this movie was really beat on. It had its problems but so do all movies. I loved this movie and its concepts and ideas. I wish they would have continued with this universe instead of that garbage that came out afterwards
It deserved to be beat on, it depicted the most dumb skynets ever imagined. Empty factories for the sake of the plot, and even if one could justify that emptiness, it would be through making it so biohazardous that they wouldn't need to protect it at all, so he'd be dead. Shortwave radio...i mean seriously wtf, even china jams that.
I really liked it too. Its the only one thats set in this dark future we were promised in ev sequels to T2 that I thought we got cheated out of with T3. Dont understand these comments of it not being fresh enough. It was fresh as f.. and clearly the most original compared to any of the sequels. It also has one of the most epic intros to any action movie, the first 2 min are just awesome. I dont understand what the narrator is talking about when he says it bombed even though it had a big pr campaign. This has got to be one of the most under marketed blockbuster sequels I have livef through. Sure you could find the trailer if you googled it and knew what to look for but other than that I think most people in Europe didnt even know this was playing at the cinemas when it did. I dont recall seeing any trailer of it in cinemas in months leading up to the release and did not see any posters of it in public places, whic was common at that time, during its run in tve cinemas, no movie or entertainment magazines news talking about it. It seemed more like a total media black out than a marketing campaign and even though it was a long tine ago now I recall how odd I thought that was at the time. I always thought that was the main reason for it not doing to well at the cinemas, essentially no marketing campaign whatsoever. As I understand it, despite all this, it still performed well enough that a sequel was green-lighted but Halycon films went bankrupt so we didnt get that. That is s big difference though compared to this narrative that Salvation was bad and didnt perform well enough to get a sequel, it actually was green lighted to make another film in what was to become a new trilogy.
@@abvmoose87 i think the biggest problem with Salvation is that everyone is expecting the next movie to top T2. I'm not sure it's even possible. T2 was the perfect ending to the Terminator universe.
My biggest gripe (not just with this but the franchise in general post T2) is how the ultimate killing machines think the most efficient way to wipe out a human is to throw them around the room for 20 minutes or so until the plot demands that they be more efficient about it and stab them through the heart or whatever. Remember the first time we ever saw a T-800 and he ripped a guy's heart out just t get his clothes? It's almost like that first t-800 was an anomaly.
Great point. I fucking hate that in films full stop. A competent writer can create a script to circumvent this issue and still create a feeling of "resistance". T2 achieved this perfectly; you always felt (particularly in the hospital escape scene) that any minor error from the Connors would've resulted in an immediate death at the hands of T-1000.
Spot fucking on, mate. In the first two films you're right - there was a palpable sense that if they didn't stop moving or if they got cornered, that was it - lights out. That's where the horror elements came into play. In the later films that got replaced by more typical action-based tropes of "fighting", except doing so had to change the entire way the Terminators worked. Just plain stupid.
I love Salvation and really wish McG had the chance to do his sequel idea. He said he wanted to explore the origins of the T1000 tech and that he’d love to depict Robert Patrick in his current older age as a scientist that’s working on cell rejuvenation and that Cyberdyne would have based the liquid metal on him and his work.
It was pretty well received in eastern Europe . if you ask me then first few minutes of salvation are already way more epic then T3 and Genisys , it has right feel to it ,something I expected to see in Terminator movie
i'm fine with you doing reviews for newer movies. couldn't find anyone else who's going as in depth as you do. and as long as you make these videos i don't have to search ;)
All things considered, I think Salvation is the most underrated entry in the series, it tried to do something different with its post judgement day war setting, unlike 3 Genysis and Dark, and it gave us an awesome arcade shooter.
The sequel would have been the future war after John got the scar and started employing the recovered laser weapons. Salvation should have been purely about the hybrid terminators and their destruction. Development of the t-800's in the end but I think they jumped the gun making it about destroying the T-800 factory. That should have been in Salvation 2.
Everybody acted like it was the end of the world when this movie came out. I found that movie great and i saw this twice in cinema, and in dvd also many times. Iwas so happy waching John Connor fighting in the future a real bad ass no fear soldier. Christian was the best for this role. At the time i didnt mind so much for the skynet trap, and ofcourse it could have been better if some mistakes corrected. But in time, i believe that its going to be the best one sequel after 1 and 2, and it had really great pottentials to be a great trilogy if some mistakes corrected in next 2. To bad they cancelled it. Soon or later, someday you will rewach this movie with another point of view, and youll find out that its a masterpiece With full of great moments of action and acting with big feeling and new ideas, but With some mistakes that it could have been better. Nobody noticed that machines had lazerguns and not the hummans, and it would be great to see in next films how they gainned them, and many more small details that director gave us to thouhgt of them. Maybe theare is a time travel in the movie that noone noticed, and some more which in next movies would be revealed... Too bad canceled
this is da 1st well deserved retro on this movie,, watched it once but i fell asleep on it,, hehe,, im a huge christian bale fan,, LUVVED T1 & T2, DEFINATELY GOTTA WATCH SALVATION RIGHT THRU,, HEHE👍👍
Nothing beats the first two, but Salvation is probably the best sequel of the three that followed after James Cameron told his Terminator story with T1 and T2. I would just put Terminator Salvation above T3, because while not wholly successful, it tried to be different, and go in a different direction, unlike T3 which was basically the same plot of the second film. I completely get the hate Terminator Salvation gets, but I do find it gets far more hate than it may deserve. I won't comment on Terminator 5 as I really don't care at all about it, it's a poorly written, poorly directed movie, with a poor cast for the most part, and does nothing but further messing up the lore, and worse yet does it poorly. I have no interest for a terminator film after the last one.
It's a shame with T5. Because at first when I saw the preview of how it revisits the original movies timeline. I thought that's a cool idea. Go back to where it began and correct it. I would of had the T-800 & T-1000 from T2 sent back to the original timeline, with full knowledge of the events of T1. But just there presences has caused a butterfly effect . Resulting in Sarah, Kyle and Good T-800 versing Bad T-800 and T-1000. But due to Kyle and Sarah being unaware of the ally. They end up fighting off both T-800s & the T-1000. The good one chooses to hunt the other terminators instead. Eventually all paths converge for the final showdown.
@@luke666808g Well, Salvation has a lot of problems: (1) The flashforwards from the first three Terminator films hinted at a horrible future scape of pain, deprivation and ad-hoc guerrilla warfare. However, in Salvation, for a world that is set just fifteen years after a global nuclear holocaust the survivors are fancifully healthy, not to mention hairy. (2) The Terminators cannot kill anymore. Instead of breaking the neck of people, they just throw people. You can say everything you want about the Terminators of T1,T2 and T3, but at least they tried. On the other hand, the Terminators of Salvation don't even try, they became part of the sets. Not to mention Skynet didn't kill Marcus when he refused to obey his orders and that he sent only one Terminator to kill John Connor in a factory which was producing hundreds of Terminators. In T3, Skynet and his machines killed every people that they considered as a threat to their existences, but in Salvation, their just became buffons. (3) John Connor didn't behave like John Connor: Christian Bale was basically wooden and he didn't have John Connor's charisma or John's cleverness. There are many other things to say about it, but I don't have the time, so I stop here.
i'm more sadder about Stan Winston's death, as this movie and the first "Iron Man" were the last 2 big theatrical movies he worked on before his untimely passing.
Its really not a bad movie, i mean it was supposed to be a trilogy. All the future scenes were LA 2029, this was 10 years prior, so not having plasma guns is understandable
david oakley don't trailers always spoil the movie? That's why I do my best to avoid watching them. I didn't know anything about T2 when it came out and it was nice surprise to see Arnold was (spoiler). Same thing with recent movie Logan where too much is revealed about "Laura" in trailers, it was so cool not to know who was she and what she could do.
People working in the film industry are supposed to be the very best at what they do. It's still hard to believe they made such a *dumb* decision by including that scene in the trailer. smh
It's unfortunate what happened to Anton Yelchin, he was such a talented actor both his portrayal of young Kyle Reese in this film and young Chekov in Star Trek was flawless. He would have had a long successful career that included an Oscar win for best actor, I believe this I truly do, so sad just thinking about it.
Aussie Arcade T3 is fucking awful on EVERY level. T2 is pretty shitty also punctuated with enough good stuff that everyone’s nostalgia goggles are fully active. T1 is a perfect movie and T4 is the only one that feels 100% correct as a sequel. Remove the references to “Hasta LaVista baby” and other similar extreme cheese and it would be a good sequel, as well. Genysis is nearly as big a piece of shit as T3
It is just hard to take a director seriously when he calls himself McG. I think once he made the transition from music video director to feature film director, you can't keep the McG moniker.
I remember when this came out, my best friend and I loved it as it almost perfectly fit into the war games we played with the other guys in the neighborhood. It was shortly after that that I discovered prop making and practical effects and I got it into my head (and his, shortly afterwards) that we would make our own post apocalyptic Terminator movie. I still have a few of the props and costume parts I made like a paper mache skull I plastered in aluminium foil to make a pretty decent looking Terminator skull. Ah, if only I had followed through and finished the project. . .
Oliver Harper have you ever heard of the adventures of tintin or seen the movie? if so I would love your opinion or a review I feel that Hollywood and America do not give Tintin the respect he deserves the movie only made 77 million in the u.s on a 130.000000 budget but made 300 million worldwide and 30 million on dvd .and if it wasn't for Peter Jackson we would have a sequel by now
I loved the movie. Was a true sequel to T2 in my opinion. Felt it was the first time the franchise took itself seriously. But I guess everyone is entitled to thier opinion
This is a Bloody great Movie, it may take a couple of viewings to make you realise it because it is different, but that’s what makes it so refreshing!!
HONESTLY This Terminator was way underrated and is a CLASSIC. My order is T2, SALVATION, T1. THE CAST WAS ON POINT IN THIS FILM AND I THOUGHT THE STORY WAS ACTUALLY REALLY GOOD. I would've watched a part two for this one. James Cameron I think was jealous that this one was done completely without his involvement and almost wind up being as equally good to his creations.
The 5th film should've been a follow up to this instead of what we got. T3 & Salvation definitely had their problems, but I don't think they were awful films like Genisys & Dark Fate.
I think that MacGee does get some bad stick. The film wasn't that bad. I think the major flaws of the film were that they did not focus enough on the actual war between Skynet and humankind and obviously the fact that Skynet took prisoners, which is something they would never do.
I've got to say, man... Your editing/montage-making skills at the beginning and end of your videos are among the best I see on the internet. You encompass the tone and mood of these films with the right cues/music every time. Keep it up.
I think I should watch it again. I saw it a long time back in theaters and I liked it back then, though I was 12 at the time. Don't know if my opinion will change or will stay more or less the same when I see it again. I'm sure it'll be better than Genisys though.
It was Christian Bale's outburst during the filming that made the movie sour for people and they couldn't look past that but other than that it was a really good movie!
@@leonardeuler9592 Yep, even china jams shortwave, and empty factories, only if they were made biohazards. Both Genysis and Salvation push the human hybrid nonsense when it doesn't make any sense at all. As Sarah Connor Chronicles hinted, the only hope were the t1000's..
I don't get the hate towards T3.. Yeah it was more lighthearted but I didn't mind. Though the terminators were a bit too much inbalanced (Arnold should be an updated model).
The graphic novel Terminator : 2029-1984 explained how Sarah Connor hooked up with a soldier(who was Kyle Reese's right hand man , soldier from the future named Ben) who further trained John Connor; and that novel also has the basic plot for Terminator Genesys.
While this film is nowhere as good as T1 and T2, it is the only one of the sequels that hold candlelight to them in my opinion because it does 2 things the other sequels fail to do: 1. Talks about the terminators serious and not treat them like slapstick comedy. 2. Actually tells a different story besides a new improved terminator chasing someone (kinda ironic Camerson said this didn't reinvent the wheel enough but gave Genisys a recommendation)
I always described this movie as "dry". I think it's the most inventive of the sequels following T2, and if they had the chance to improve on this story it could have been interesting to see Kyle get to the point where he has to go back and save Sarah. Full circle. Instead we got that abominable Genyshit. Great retrospective Oliver, I think I'll go back and give it a rewatch!
As a Terminator fan I like that he didn't change up Salvation and try to re-create it to something different because that would've ruined it all. It's a perfectly fine Terminator movie.
I have to say it does make sense that skynet has a personality- being that the original program is ever learning. The t800 in t2 developed over the course of that film after it was switch from read only. It's possible Kyle only really dealt with read only variants.
I don't know what's the thing with Terminator trailers spoiling the movie: -T2: "The Terminator is back...but now he is a good guy!" -TSalvation: "Meet Marcus...who's a cyborg created by Skynet!" -TGenisys: "Here's John Connor...traveling to the past because he's an evil robot now!"
For me this was one of the best Terminators ever, right behind the second one, they were brave enough to tell a new story it was pretty cool how they handle everything, the special effects were off the hook! Fantastic!!!
Could have been the start of a John Connor trilogy. But the lazy second half of this movie. Ugh. T3 and Genesys are worse than this, meaning they are unwatchable. RIP, Anton.
Oliver, you've managed once again to make your reviews of the movie far more interesting than the actual movies themselves. With a few exceptions. Well done.
I agree with you. But, although english is not my first language, I have to correct you concerning two things: A bad wrap is something you eat...a pita wrap for example. ;) - a bad REP (reputation) is what people who hated it, gave this film. And: A Cannon is something that gets to shoot large projectiles - Canon is a song sung by many voices, with different starting points, or the lore, the groundrules of a church, the whole work of an author etc. Cheers
Get in Oliver! Lovely Lunch time surprise! Underated film this one even though it doesnt really fit in with the rest of the series in regards to pace and how its visually pitched
I was hostile towards the film at the time, but looking back on it Terminator Salvation was decent and the best non-James Cameron film. I agree with Oliver's review for the most part. It was a solid sci-fi film and I think the critical reception would have been better if it was an independent IP, like X-Men: The Last Stand. I also think the reception was bad for Terminator Salvation because critics wanted to make up for giving T3 a pass and because of McG's reputation as a director: just listen to Mark Kermode's review and spends most of his time bashing McG. Because of the failure of TS it plenty much ended McG's career as a blockbuster director: his credits since then have been the godawful This Means War, 3 Days to Kill and a horror comedy called The Babysitter. He also worked on TV shows like Shadowhunters and Lethal Weapon, but he far from being a Neil Marshall who also moved to TV after his films disappointed.
freemantle85 thats very insightful, thanks I didnt know about the McGee part but always was a bit baffled about why it didnt do better I always thought it was bad and poor marketing but your point further explains it.
Graham Dunn- They should've just went with Nick Stahl. Would've been interesting to see his evolution of John Connor after T3. If Bale wasn't trying to be Bruce wayne and had a little softer side, he would've done even better as John.
The idea of a Terminator movie about John Connor post Judgement day is amazing. If they just made it R, made the Terminators more of a threat, and upped the screenplay, this could have been a masterpiece and I hope one day we get to see a Terminator movie like that
What did you think of the original leaked ending for the movie, which was very dark? Did you think that definitely would this a real MASTERPIECE along with the other suggestions you wrote here?
I would have loved to see a prequel to T1. Just taking place in the future after Judgement Day and the rise of John Connor. Figuring out time travel in the end and sending Kyle Reese back.
I love this movie. If it had more blue color grading and purple lasers, it would be just about perfect for me. The main character and his conflict is a wonderfully original twist, and reminds me of The Force Unleashed.
I think the reason this movie got so much hate from a large portion of the fan base is because it’s story format was different from the previous 3 movies. Instead of doing the whole, “Good Terminator/Kyle Reese is sent back in time to stop the bad Terminator from terminating John/Sarah Connor”, it goes in a completely different direction by instead depicting what is left of a shattered post-judgement day human civilization at war with Skynet and its forces. This is something we only got brief glimpses of in the previous movies, and I’m so glad they emphasized that in this one. It’s a topic that I always wanted to be expanded upon. Other than the rather messy plot, this movie is actually quite good. I recommend it, especially if you haven’t watched any of the movies before.
I recently watched ‘Salvation’ on Hulu and it’s clearly the best sequel since T2. Back then, it was unusual to see a Terminator film without Arnold, and I wish it had a better balance of CGI/practical effects. But the cast is solid and the action scenes are well choreographed.
Ive just come across this Oliver through the algorithm in the subscriber recommendations, and I must say this is by far the best review of the movie I've come across. I find this movie insanely underrated given the fact that the screenplay is just mediocre, but the fact of the matter is...you're absolutely bang on the note with your opinions. I must also praise you on your videos in general too, I really like the attention to detail in your editing, something I wish I had a knack for.
I wish they had done a sequel to this movie, it's my third favorite of the series. Yes it has quite a few problems but I always find it entertaining when I sit down to watch it. Unlike Terminator 3 which was just a dull and weak movie, and Genysis which was a very strange movie with an admittedly interesting but ultimately extremely poorly excuted idea. The time Kyle Reese goes back to has changed, Sarah Connor has changed, everything has changed that idea actually had me pretty excited when I watched the trailers but they lost me completely when I actually sat down to watch the movie with John Connor being an evil Skynet-possessed cyborg and just how jumbled and convoluted the plot was. Plus I don't even know what do think of the new one Dark Fate. I wish they had made a sequel to Salvation but doubled down on all of the crazy Science-Fiction stuff from the first two films like the laser guns.
This opening helicopter scene had me on the edge of my seat, the first 20 minutes of this movie in their own right are just jaw dropping. One of the best in the franchise IMO.
The basic idea of a Terminator movie set in the future is actually really good, and is exactly what the franchise desperately needs. Imagine a war movie/science fiction trilogy with the dark atmosphere of T1. The first movie could be about Connor and Reese escaping from a Skynet extermination camp, the second about building the resistance and the third about the final confrontation with Skynet. That could potentially become one of the best trilogies of all time if it had the gritty tone of the original. Unfortunately, that ship has probably sailed for good now.
The Irony of Cameron having a pop at this film not pushing the envelope and then remaking Termie 2 with Dark Fate. For all its flaws Salvation is by FAR the most original narrative of all the non-Cameron sequels, and the only one that was going in the direction I think most fans wanted: The Future War that we see flashforwards to in the first 2 films. The first two acts are pretty solid IMHO, the first most of all.
I remember getting the PC game for Terminator Salvation. There was a recall on that platform. It was on Steam for a short while till it was removed from its catalog a few years ago.
I loved this movie... the post apocalyptic terminator world was what I was wanted since seeing the T1. The genesys was total crap. And I have little hope for the new Feminator coming fall of this year.
As ropey as the CG Arnold looks the surprise factor of believing what I was seeing was brilliant. A nice little Easter egg in my opinion, I was sat in the cinema with my jaw on the floor!
I didn't like this movie when I first seen it, however, the second time round, I really liked it. I think it's just because this was made and released during the run of Battlestar Galactica, and I felt they were just too similar. However, ten years later, I really enjoyed it. I actually liked it better than T3, and I liked that one. I think it's just a pitty that the Salvation trilogy didn't continue. Much better than Terminator Genisys and Dark Fate.
This is honestly the last Terminator film I enjoyed. I liked the premise and the production. Probably my favorite scene in the movie is when they play Alice in Chains
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Excellent review, Oliver. I don't wish to offend anyone. Terminator Salvation was not a favorite film in the Terminator series. I felt it wasn't the same without Arnold Schwarzenegger. Maybe, if the film is on TV again in the near future I may watch it again and give it another go.
Here's another post-apocalyptic robot movie I recommend for a Retrospective review - 9 (2009). It's a bit like Terminator Salvation.
The only thing that stop this film from totally bombing is Christian Bale's amazing performance.
Funny how the setting of this film takes place in the year 2018. It’s 2018 now.
I've just had an idea. You could do a 35th anniversary retrospective of The Terminator franchise of all the movies including the TV show Sarah Connor Chronicles and you could do it dressed up as The Terminator where we actually see you reviewing them.
"This is John Connor, if you're listening to this, you are the resistance...and I'm Batman.
"If you're listening to this...WHERE WERE THE OTHER DRUGS GOING!?"
Terminator that happens to be near a radio: "Uh.. wait, now I'm confused. I thought I was supposed to KILL the resistance?"
This is John Connor. SWEAR TO MEEEEE !
Marcus to John Connor when they find out he's a terminator hybrid:
"It's not who I am underneath, but what I do that defines me!"
Lol I’m so used to the “if you’re listening to this, you are the resistance!” Line being used by Alex Jones on his InfoWars radio show when he comes back from commercials
This was a very very very grossly UNDERRATED movie. I think this is the third best movie of the franchise. It had the BEST portrayal of a grown up John Conor, and it showed multiple types of terminators from the motor bikes to the giant hunters. I didn't understand all the Hate it got.
Yep Same. For my personal head canon its T1, T2, Salvation and that's really it.
It got hate from the Terrible 3rd Act of the movie. It has a terrible ending. But I agree Act 1 & 2 are 10/10 for me. Easily the third best Term movie.
Yup, Salvation is a good Terminator film to me, it was also respectful to the X3 Altered lore built up to that point... which in itself was quite impressive. People forget that it's a continuation of the previous 3 films (Altered timeline and models) and early in the resistances existence.
I hoped/hope to see more of the future wars, especially when t-800's are mass produced and the resistance gets organised, something the game Terminator: Resistance does well.
Yes, this one gets a 3rd place in my book too
Personally, I applaud it for changing the series’ structure. Every other film is shown from the past. Which is old hat at this point, not to mention the apocalyptic future glimpsed at during the opening of T2 is something everyone remembers. So setting the film in that future is genius, as that’s something everyone WANTS to see. Robots fighting humans, rather than hearing stories about robots fighting humans.
Haha, Arnold thought salvation sucks but The film he returned sucked way harder
amen to that lol, worst than 3 and this.
Agree he said it sucked bc he wasn't in it. This was a great movie
Latest one sucks and blows.
Arnold was the only good thing about genesys, in my opinion
T3 and Salvation has nothing to offer. At least Genesys has a good vibe, mood, and style in my opinion. I will never want to watch T3 and Salvation again. Genesys is a lot more fun.
It's probably inconsequential, but I really enjoyed seeing how John Conner got his facial scar
Wrong side though wasn't it?
They had so many small details to keep with the world's lore and themes. It just sucks this movie didn't do better but I really loved it.
@@mikespearwood3914 Well, it depends on how you look at it... 😛
@@mikespearwood3914 nope
I think the biggest reason McG gets a lot of flack is because he calls himself McG.
That just makes you want to punch him before you even know anything else about him.
McG's greatest enemy has always been McG.
I believe you're correct
McLovin? :-D
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Great point
James Cameron: “Salvation didn’t change enough”
Also James Cameron: *Literally makes Terminator 2 a second time*
Though it seems Tim Miller was more in control.
How can he think Salvation didn’t change enough? We literally got to finally see a Terminator movie set in this post apocalyptic future war that T1, T2 and T3 spent their entire runtime yapping about.
What James Cameron wanted was a Genere swamp trans sex change and John Connor still has a penis here
I know I don't get that either. Didn't change enough?!! Compared to Cameron's versions salvation was the odd man.
I know I don't get that either. Didn't change enough?!! Compared to Cameron's versions salvation was the odd man.
I felt this movie was really beat on. It had its problems but so do all movies. I loved this movie and its concepts and ideas. I wish they would have continued with this universe instead of that garbage that came out afterwards
So did I I really enjoyed this film
loved? wow
It deserved to be beat on, it depicted the most dumb skynets ever imagined. Empty factories for the sake of the plot, and even if one could justify that emptiness, it would be through making it so biohazardous that they wouldn't need to protect it at all, so he'd be dead. Shortwave radio...i mean seriously wtf, even china jams that.
I really liked it too. Its the only one thats set in this dark future we were promised in ev sequels to T2 that I thought we got cheated out of with T3. Dont understand these comments of it not being fresh enough. It was fresh as f.. and clearly the most original compared to any of the sequels. It also has one of the most epic intros to any action movie, the first 2 min are just awesome. I dont understand what the narrator is talking about when he says it bombed even though it had a big pr campaign. This has got to be one of the most under marketed blockbuster sequels I have livef through. Sure you could find the trailer if you googled it and knew what to look for but other than that I think most people in Europe didnt even know this was playing at the cinemas when it did. I dont recall seeing any trailer of it in cinemas in months leading up to the release and did not see any posters of it in public places, whic was common at that time, during its run in tve cinemas, no movie or entertainment magazines news talking about it. It seemed more like a total media black out than a marketing campaign and even though it was a long tine ago now I recall how odd I thought that was at the time. I always thought that was the main reason for it not doing to well at the cinemas, essentially no marketing campaign whatsoever. As I understand it, despite all this, it still performed well enough that a sequel was green-lighted but Halycon films went bankrupt so we didnt get that. That is s big difference though compared to this narrative that Salvation was bad and didnt perform well enough to get a sequel, it actually was green lighted to make another film in what was to become a new trilogy.
@@abvmoose87 i think the biggest problem with Salvation is that everyone is expecting the next movie to top T2. I'm not sure it's even possible. T2 was the perfect ending to the Terminator universe.
Arnold says that salvation sucked but came back for two worse sequels, SEEMS LEGIT
My biggest gripe (not just with this but the franchise in general post T2) is how the ultimate killing machines think the most efficient way to wipe out a human is to throw them around the room for 20 minutes or so until the plot demands that they be more efficient about it and stab them through the heart or whatever.
Remember the first time we ever saw a T-800 and he ripped a guy's heart out just t get his clothes? It's almost like that first t-800 was an anomaly.
Great point. I fucking hate that in films full stop. A competent writer can create a script to circumvent this issue and still create a feeling of "resistance". T2 achieved this perfectly; you always felt (particularly in the hospital escape scene) that any minor error from the Connors would've resulted in an immediate death at the hands of T-1000.
Spot fucking on, mate. In the first two films you're right - there was a palpable sense that if they didn't stop moving or if they got cornered, that was it - lights out. That's where the horror elements came into play. In the later films that got replaced by more typical action-based tropes of "fighting", except doing so had to change the entire way the Terminators worked. Just plain stupid.
"...specialise in using weapons like guns..."
That sounds like a fearsome killing machine to me. Stop trying to be an apologist for such poor writing.
You know, for a second there I thought you were being serious. :)
Just patting myself on the baclk for showing restraint and not going off like a frog in a sock.
I love Salvation and really wish McG had the chance to do his sequel idea. He said he wanted to explore the origins of the T1000 tech and that he’d love to depict Robert Patrick in his current older age as a scientist that’s working on cell rejuvenation and that Cyberdyne would have based the liquid metal on him and his work.
The sequel we did get wwas a comic and was much better
That would have been awesome.
Who agrees with me that this movie is a masterpiece compared to genisys?
Battlefield Earth is a masterpiece compared to genisys.
ME
Snake Plissken me 👍
salvation like the person with mediocre looks hanging out with the ugly people, makes them look better
Snake Plissken calling this a masterpiece compared to anything is woeful.
Still better than t3 and genesys.
T3 in fairness wasnt half bad and far better than geneysis. Salvation was AWESOME i loved it
@@incognito9292 Hahaha Nah.
It was pretty well received in eastern Europe . if you ask me then first few minutes of salvation are already way more epic then T3 and Genisys , it has right feel to it ,something I expected to see in Terminator movie
1. T2
2. OG Terminator
3. Salvation
4. The new T3
5. The first T3
6. Hyundai Genisys
And not dark fate ? Dark Fate is actually good wtf !?
so 2009 is retro now ... man I suddenly feel old
Well its not really Retro, the viewers wanted me to cover it so I did it.
i'm fine with you doing reviews for newer movies. couldn't find anyone else who's going as in depth as you do. and as long as you make these videos i don't have to search ;)
Not long until it was a decade ago
More the cast Olly completes a series. Hopefully he will do Genisys as well
Yeah indeed where the hell did the 8 years go
I actually really enjoyed Salvation, and was very sad we didn't get our future war trilogy. :(
We did. We got a comic book sequel called terminator salvation the final battle
Still tons better than Genisys.
All things considered, I think Salvation is the most underrated entry in the series, it tried to do something different with its post judgement day war setting, unlike 3 Genysis and Dark, and it gave us an awesome arcade shooter.
You forgot to mention that this movie also doesn't have time travel in it!
I enjoyed the movie and was waiting for sequel for Salvation.
Just imagine a sequel for Salvation.
The sequel would have been the future war after John got the scar and started employing the recovered laser weapons. Salvation should have been purely about the hybrid terminators and their destruction. Development of the t-800's in the end but I think they jumped the gun making it about destroying the T-800 factory. That should have been in Salvation 2.
2029
We did get a sequel: terminator salvation the final battle comic series
Everybody acted like it was the end of the world when this movie came out. I found that movie great and i saw this twice in cinema, and in dvd also many times. Iwas so happy waching John Connor fighting in the future a real bad ass no fear soldier. Christian was the best for this role. At the time i didnt mind so much for the skynet trap, and ofcourse it could have been better if some mistakes corrected. But in time, i believe that its going to be the best one sequel after 1 and 2, and it had really great pottentials to be a great trilogy if some mistakes corrected in next 2. To bad they cancelled it.
Soon or later, someday you will rewach this movie with another point of view, and youll find out that its a masterpiece With full of great moments of action and acting with big feeling and new ideas, but With some mistakes that it could have been better. Nobody noticed that machines had lazerguns and not the hummans, and it would be great to see in next films how they gainned them, and many more small details that director gave us to thouhgt of them. Maybe theare is a time travel in the movie that noone noticed, and some more which in next movies would be revealed... Too bad canceled
this is da 1st well deserved retro on this movie,, watched it once but i fell asleep on it,, hehe,, im a huge christian bale fan,, LUVVED T1 & T2, DEFINATELY GOTTA WATCH SALVATION RIGHT THRU,, HEHE👍👍
I felt like I was the only one that really enjoyed this film when it came out and didnt care either I'll be watching it again soon
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Nothing beats the first two, but Salvation is probably the best sequel of the three that followed after James Cameron told his Terminator story with T1 and T2. I would just put Terminator Salvation above T3, because while not wholly successful, it tried to be different, and go in a different direction, unlike T3 which was basically the same plot of the second film. I completely get the hate Terminator Salvation gets, but I do find it gets far more hate than it may deserve. I won't comment on Terminator 5 as I really don't care at all about it, it's a poorly written, poorly directed movie, with a poor cast for the most part, and does nothing but further messing up the lore, and worse yet does it poorly. I have no interest for a terminator film after the last one.
It's a shame with T5. Because at first when I saw the preview of how it revisits the original movies timeline. I thought that's a cool idea. Go back to where it began and correct it.
I would of had the T-800 & T-1000 from T2 sent back to the original timeline, with full knowledge of the events of T1. But just there presences has caused a butterfly effect .
Resulting in Sarah, Kyle and Good T-800 versing Bad T-800 and T-1000. But due to Kyle and Sarah being unaware of the ally. They end up fighting off both T-800s & the T-1000. The good one chooses to hunt the other terminators instead. Eventually all paths converge for the final showdown.
Salvation is underrated.
I actually don't understand the hate Salvation gets at all.
@@luke666808g Well, Salvation has a lot of problems:
(1) The flashforwards from the first three Terminator films hinted at a horrible future scape of pain, deprivation and ad-hoc guerrilla warfare. However, in Salvation, for a world that is set just fifteen years after a global nuclear holocaust the survivors are fancifully healthy, not to mention hairy.
(2) The Terminators cannot kill anymore. Instead of breaking the neck of people, they just throw people. You can say everything you want about the Terminators of T1,T2 and T3, but at least they tried. On the other hand, the Terminators of Salvation don't even try, they became part of the sets. Not to mention Skynet didn't kill Marcus when he refused to obey his orders and that he sent only one Terminator to kill John Connor in a factory which was producing hundreds of Terminators. In T3, Skynet and his machines killed every people that they considered as a threat to their existences, but in Salvation, their just became buffons.
(3) John Connor didn't behave like John Connor: Christian Bale was basically wooden and he didn't have John Connor's charisma or John's cleverness.
There are many other things to say about it, but I don't have the time, so I stop here.
luke666808g i dont either.
"Best sequel after T2"
RIP Anton Yelchin. Also nice retrospective Oliver.
mutant0079 gambit I felt he was the best actor in this film. He made me believe he was Kyle Reese.
yeah he was pretty good
i'm more sadder about Stan Winston's death, as this movie and the first "Iron Man" were the last 2 big theatrical movies he worked on before his untimely passing.
That was shocking news about Anton Yelchin. Star Trek 2009 is one of my favorite films.
Its really not a bad movie, i mean it was supposed to be a trilogy. All the future scenes were LA 2029, this was 10 years prior, so not having plasma guns is understandable
The trailer spoiler was just ridiculous. I remember it really pissed me off at the time lol
And continued to the more ridiculous plot and spoiler filled Genesys trailer.
Then they didn't even learn their lesson from it and made the same mistake with Genisis trailer.
david oakley don't trailers always spoil the movie? That's why I do my best to avoid watching them. I didn't know anything about T2 when it came out and it was nice surprise to see Arnold was (spoiler). Same thing with recent movie Logan where too much is revealed about "Laura" in trailers, it was so cool not to know who was she and what she could do.
Agreed, that and the BvS trailer revealing Doomsday are the worst trailer spoilers I can think of
People working in the film industry are supposed to be the very best at what they do.
It's still hard to believe they made such a *dumb* decision by including that scene in the trailer. smh
It's unfortunate what happened to Anton Yelchin, he was such a talented actor both his portrayal of young Kyle Reese in this film and young Chekov in Star Trek was flawless. He would have had a long successful career that included an Oscar win for best actor, I believe this I truly do, so sad just thinking about it.
Well said. Thank you.
This movie was ok but I think Yelchin was the best character. He was the closest to thing to an actual person.
Hyped for this. Movie is underrated imo.
Aussie Arcade
T3 is fucking awful on EVERY level. T2 is pretty shitty also punctuated with enough good stuff that everyone’s nostalgia goggles are fully active. T1 is a perfect movie and T4 is the only one that feels 100% correct as a sequel. Remove the references to “Hasta LaVista baby” and other similar extreme cheese and it would be a good sequel, as well. Genysis is nearly as big a piece of shit as T3
Neg Ative Watched Terminator 2 a while ago and still think it's fantastic. So that "nostalgia googles" nonsense argument doesn't work.
okagron
Ok. Hasta La Vista...Baby
Aussie Arcade Genesis does what Nintendont
@@AussieArcade hear, hear!
I really like how the captured "Arnie" in this movie, most people don't but I was amazed in the cinema
It is just hard to take a director seriously when he calls himself McG. I think once he made the transition from music video director to feature film director, you can't keep the McG moniker.
Salvation was the right direction. We're in the future. No more time travel. No more Arnold.
This is the 3rd best Terminator movie, how sad isn't that.
Lets hope david cameron's new film becomes third best or even second
For one thing, it can work as a prequel being it is in the Future War.
Mr. Hobbs dont you mean james cameron
That's debatable. I feel as if this and Genysis have their fair share of merits the other lacks.
Garbage ass film.
I remember when this came out, my best friend and I loved it as it almost perfectly fit into the war games we played with the other guys in the neighborhood. It was shortly after that that I discovered prop making and practical effects and I got it into my head (and his, shortly afterwards) that we would make our own post apocalyptic Terminator movie. I still have a few of the props and costume parts I made like a paper mache skull I plastered in aluminium foil to make a pretty decent looking Terminator skull. Ah, if only I had followed through and finished the project. . .
Excellent review and editing as always Oliver. Thank you!!
Thanks Lester!
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Oliver Harper have you ever heard of the adventures of tintin or seen the movie? if so I would love your opinion or a review I feel that Hollywood and America do not give Tintin the respect he deserves
the movie only made 77 million in the u.s on a 130.000000 budget but made 300 million worldwide and 30 million on dvd .and if it wasn't for Peter Jackson we would have a sequel by now
Oliver Harper is the new Barry Norman.
the best terminator movie after James Cameron's movies (T1 & T2)
I loved the movie. Was a true sequel to T2 in my opinion. Felt it was the first time the franchise took itself seriously. But I guess everyone is entitled to thier opinion
You think the cgi Arnold has dead eyes and the skin looks a bit rubbery? He's playing a cyborg, surely that's the PERFECT look?!?
I think his point is, is that it looks like blatantly obvious CGI and not realistic enough which takes you out of the movie.
This is a Bloody great Movie, it may take a couple of viewings to make you realise it because it is different, but that’s what makes it so refreshing!!
The game only took 4 hours? FOUR HOURS!?
ffffffoooouuuurrrr hoouurrrss
lol Angry Joe!!!
Why? BECAUSE FUCK YOU GIVE ME MONEY!
'YOU DONE FUCKED IT UP!'
Still longer than Heavenly sword
not bad AT ALL
like this is the best they put together since t1 and t2.
HONESTLY This Terminator was way underrated and is a CLASSIC. My order is T2, SALVATION, T1. THE CAST WAS ON POINT IN THIS FILM AND I THOUGHT THE STORY WAS ACTUALLY REALLY GOOD. I would've watched a part two for this one. James Cameron I think was jealous that this one was done completely without his involvement and almost wind up being as equally good to his creations.
The 5th film should've been a follow up to this instead of what we got. T3 & Salvation definitely had their problems, but I don't think they were awful films like Genisys & Dark Fate.
Not as good as Terminator 1 or 2( they are masterpieces!) But I still love this film
I think that MacGee does get some bad stick. The film wasn't that bad. I think the major flaws of the film were that they did not focus enough on the actual war between Skynet and humankind and obviously the fact that Skynet took prisoners, which is something they would never do.
Skynet took prisoners to run the Disposal machines; Kyle Reese mentioned it in the first movie and has a barcode on his arm
I've got to say, man... Your editing/montage-making skills at the beginning and end of your videos are among the best I see on the internet. You encompass the tone and mood of these films with the right cues/music every time. Keep it up.
Thanks for the great feedback Keyser!
I think I should watch it again. I saw it a long time back in theaters and I liked it back then, though I was 12 at the time. Don't know if my opinion will change or will stay more or less the same when I see it again.
I'm sure it'll be better than Genisys though.
12 is a good age to have seen it I think.
DuesX187 Lol. Like I said though, who knows? Maybe I'll still like it or I'll just think "Eh. Well, time to move on with my life." 😆
You will Gonna Hate it... It's boring... Confuse and worse... Doesn't make any sense...
It was Christian Bale's outburst during the filming that made the movie sour for people and they couldn't look past that but other than that it was a really good movie!
RustyX2010 I like how I hear some of his Batman voice
@@lakernation26 that's the problem, he's not suppose to be Bruce Wayne/Batman here. Not enough personality.
Oh good for you.
@@anubusx YUP!
Salvation is a masterpiece compared to T3 and Genysis
IMHO
T3 > Salvation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Genisys
Agreed, far better than T3.
Nope. Salvation was trash compared to T3!
@@leonardeuler9592 Yep, even china jams shortwave, and empty factories, only if they were made biohazards. Both Genysis and Salvation push the human hybrid nonsense when it doesn't make any sense at all. As Sarah Connor Chronicles hinted, the only hope were the t1000's..
On that we comepletely agree no where near the originals nothing will ever be, but still pretty okay;)
This film is HIGLY underrated, watch it couple of times and it will grow on you :)
Way better than Genesys and T3 IMO
Absolutely agree ! Don't understand why this movie gets so much hate.
TheVideoInvader It's still boring and generic compared to TT and T2.
I agree, but last time I watch it I still thought it was at least 80% garbage.
I don't get the hate towards T3.. Yeah it was more lighthearted but I didn't mind. Though the terminators were a bit too much inbalanced (Arnold should be an updated model).
Stealth- Boy 3000 It feels like a TV movie. That and Kate Bruster is Jar Jar levels of irritating.
The graphic novel Terminator : 2029-1984 explained how Sarah Connor hooked up with a soldier(who was Kyle Reese's right hand man , soldier from the future named Ben) who further trained John Connor; and that novel also has the basic plot for Terminator Genesys.
While this film is nowhere as good as T1 and T2, it is the only one of the sequels that hold candlelight to them in my opinion because it does 2 things the other sequels fail to do:
1. Talks about the terminators serious and not treat them like slapstick comedy.
2. Actually tells a different story besides a new improved terminator chasing someone (kinda ironic Camerson said this didn't reinvent the wheel enough but gave Genisys a recommendation)
I always described this movie as "dry". I think it's the most inventive of the sequels following T2, and if they had the chance to improve on this story it could have been interesting to see Kyle get to the point where he has to go back and save Sarah. Full circle. Instead we got that abominable Genyshit. Great retrospective Oliver, I think I'll go back and give it a rewatch!
As a Terminator fan I like that he didn't change up Salvation and try to re-create it to something different because that would've ruined it all. It's a perfectly fine Terminator movie.
I have to say it does make sense that skynet has a personality- being that the original program is ever learning. The t800 in t2 developed over the course of that film after it was switch from read only. It's possible Kyle only really dealt with read only variants.
Moon Bloodgood - very interesting name.
Ending with the machines winning is ballsy.
I don't know what's the thing with Terminator trailers spoiling the movie:
-T2: "The Terminator is back...but now he is a good guy!"
-TSalvation: "Meet Marcus...who's a cyborg created by Skynet!"
-TGenisys: "Here's John Connor...traveling to the past because he's an evil robot now!"
For me this was one of the best Terminators ever, right behind the second one, they were brave enough to tell a new story it was pretty cool how they handle everything, the special effects were off the hook! Fantastic!!!
Could have been the start of a John Connor trilogy. But the lazy second half of this movie. Ugh. T3 and Genesys are worse than this, meaning they are unwatchable. RIP, Anton.
Tell me about it I could not even get past the 1st 20 mins of Genesys.
& too think they where planing 2 sequels a spin-off TV show thank god it Bombed.
Gtfo troll.
I disagree, as Salvation was quite a fun ride to me, though the other two films T3 and Genisys suck ass.
So much more appreciation for this after "dark fate".
Oliver, you've managed once again to make your reviews of the movie far more interesting than the actual movies themselves. With a few exceptions. Well done.
Personally I think this movie gets a bad wrap. It had a lot of interesting components and, unlike T3 and Salvation, it was harmless to the cannon.
its harmless to where it can still be considered canon
I agree with you. But, although english is not my first language, I have to correct you concerning two things: A bad wrap is something you eat...a pita wrap for example. ;) - a bad REP (reputation) is what people who hated it, gave this film.
And: A Cannon is something that gets to shoot large projectiles - Canon is a song sung by many voices, with different starting points, or the lore, the groundrules of a church, the whole work of an author etc.
Cheers
Get in Oliver! Lovely Lunch time surprise! Underated film this one even though it doesnt really fit in with the rest of the series in regards to pace and how its visually pitched
I was hostile towards the film at the time, but looking back on it Terminator Salvation was decent and the best non-James Cameron film. I agree with Oliver's review for the most part. It was a solid sci-fi film and I think the critical reception would have been better if it was an independent IP, like X-Men: The Last Stand.
I also think the reception was bad for Terminator Salvation because critics wanted to make up for giving T3 a pass and because of McG's reputation as a director: just listen to Mark Kermode's review and spends most of his time bashing McG.
Because of the failure of TS it plenty much ended McG's career as a blockbuster director: his credits since then have been the godawful This Means War, 3 Days to Kill and a horror comedy called The Babysitter. He also worked on TV shows like Shadowhunters and Lethal Weapon, but he far from being a Neil Marshall who also moved to TV after his films disappointed.
freemantle85 thats very insightful, thanks I didnt know about the McGee part but always was a bit baffled about why it didnt do better I always thought it was bad and poor marketing but your point further explains it.
Tf you talking about, The Babysitter was fun as shit 😂. Sure, it was mediocre, but fun
Also think Michael Ironside would of been a far better John Connor had he been younger
Graham Dunn- They should've just went with Nick Stahl. Would've been interesting to see his evolution of John Connor after T3.
If Bale wasn't trying to be Bruce wayne and had a little softer side, he would've done even better as John.
I love your retrospective and review. thank you for keeping it coming again
This movie was not only good but also very scary to me as a child almost scarier than the first one
The idea of a Terminator movie about John Connor post Judgement day is amazing. If they just made it R, made the Terminators more of a threat, and upped the screenplay, this could have been a masterpiece and I hope one day we get to see a Terminator movie like that
Well, it did have an R-rated cut on Blu-Ray.
What did you think of the original leaked ending for the movie, which was very dark? Did you think that definitely would this a real MASTERPIECE along with the other suggestions you wrote here?
Who's here after the release of that awful garbage dark fate??
Man, this review feels like breath of fresh air after genesis and daNk faKe.
Your reviews are absolutely phenomenal!
1- Terminator 2: judgement day
2- The Terminator
3- Terminator Salvation
And the rest is garbage
18:28 and yet in Genesys the Arnold effects are almost perfect. The best I've seen to this day.
I would have loved to see a prequel to T1. Just taking place in the future after Judgement Day and the rise of John Connor. Figuring out time travel in the end and sending Kyle Reese back.
A video game called « Terminator : dawn of fate » explored this part of the franchise.
@@davidnavarro4821and terminator resistance too.
I love your channel so much
I love this movie. If it had more blue color grading and purple lasers, it would be just about perfect for me. The main character and his conflict is a wonderfully original twist, and reminds me of The Force Unleashed.
In 2018? That's when this film was set.
I think the reason this movie got so much hate from a large portion of the fan base is because it’s story format was different from the previous 3 movies. Instead of doing the whole, “Good Terminator/Kyle Reese is sent back in time to stop the bad Terminator from terminating John/Sarah Connor”, it goes in a completely different direction by instead depicting what is left of a shattered post-judgement day human civilization at war with Skynet and its forces. This is something we only got brief glimpses of in the previous movies, and I’m so glad they emphasized that in this one. It’s a topic that I always wanted to be expanded upon. Other than the rather messy plot, this movie is actually quite good. I recommend it, especially if you haven’t watched any of the movies before.
I recently watched ‘Salvation’ on Hulu and it’s clearly the best sequel since T2. Back then, it was unusual to see a Terminator film without Arnold, and I wish it had a better balance of CGI/practical effects. But the cast is solid and the action scenes are well choreographed.
Every new movie they bring out makes the last one look better
Ive just come across this Oliver through the algorithm in the subscriber recommendations, and I must say this is by far the best review of the movie I've come across. I find this movie insanely underrated given the fact that the screenplay is just mediocre, but the fact of the matter is...you're absolutely bang on the note with your opinions. I must also praise you on your videos in general too, I really like the attention to detail in your editing, something I wish I had a knack for.
Thank you very much for your feedback!
You do a GREAT job on the recap at the beginning of every video. You edit them very well.
I wish they had done a sequel to this movie, it's my third favorite of the series. Yes it has quite a few problems but I always find it entertaining when I sit down to watch it. Unlike Terminator 3 which was just a dull and weak movie, and Genysis which was a very strange movie with an admittedly interesting but ultimately extremely poorly excuted idea. The time Kyle Reese goes back to has changed, Sarah Connor has changed, everything has changed that idea actually had me pretty excited when I watched the trailers but they lost me completely when I actually sat down to watch the movie with John Connor being an evil Skynet-possessed cyborg and just how jumbled and convoluted the plot was. Plus I don't even know what do think of the new one Dark Fate. I wish they had made a sequel to Salvation but doubled down on all of the crazy Science-Fiction stuff from the first two films like the laser guns.
This opening helicopter scene had me on the edge of my seat, the first 20 minutes of this movie in their own right are just jaw dropping. One of the best in the franchise IMO.
The basic idea of a Terminator movie set in the future is actually really good, and is exactly what the franchise desperately needs. Imagine a war movie/science fiction trilogy with the dark atmosphere of T1. The first movie could be about Connor and Reese escaping from a Skynet extermination camp, the second about building the resistance and the third about the final confrontation with Skynet. That could potentially become one of the best trilogies of all time if it had the gritty tone of the original. Unfortunately, that ship has probably sailed for good now.
The Irony of Cameron having a pop at this film not pushing the envelope and then remaking Termie 2 with Dark Fate. For all its flaws Salvation is by FAR the most original narrative of all the non-Cameron sequels, and the only one that was going in the direction I think most fans wanted: The Future War that we see flashforwards to in the first 2 films. The first two acts are pretty solid IMHO, the first most of all.
Salvation are my favourite terminator after 2.
I remember getting the PC game for Terminator Salvation. There was a recall on that platform. It was on Steam for a short while till it was removed from its catalog a few years ago.
Really wanted this to be a trilogy. Loved the direction and the cast.
It was kinda a trilogy. It got a comic book sequel
Great well rounded, detailed review Oliver. A pleasure to watch. Please keep it up.
This should be the natural progression of the franchise, but they had to keep.going back.to the formula of robot traveling back in time.
this is one of your best retrospectives
I loved this movie... the post apocalyptic terminator world was what I was wanted since seeing the T1. The genesys was total crap. And I have little hope for the new Feminator coming fall of this year.
The most complete Terminator Salvation review out there. Thank you, Oliver 👌
Still a better Terminator in terms of sincere effort.
I still remember seeing this movie in theatres-midday showing and I was the only one in the theater. It was a great movie to watch in the theater!
I really like T3 and T4, T3 is a really fun guilty pleasure, and T4 as a serious and really good addition to the franchise. Genysis meanwhile......
As ropey as the CG Arnold looks the surprise factor of believing what I was seeing was brilliant. A nice little Easter egg in my opinion, I was sat in the cinema with my jaw on the floor!
I didn't like this movie when I first seen it, however, the second time round, I really liked it. I think it's just because this was made and released during the run of Battlestar Galactica, and I felt they were just too similar. However, ten years later, I really enjoyed it. I actually liked it better than T3, and I liked that one. I think it's just a pitty that the Salvation trilogy didn't continue. Much better than Terminator Genisys and Dark Fate.
This is honestly the last Terminator film I enjoyed. I liked the premise and the production. Probably my favorite scene in the movie is when they play Alice in Chains
This movie is actually good
It is perhaps the only installment that tried to do something new after the T2. It actually expands the universe
For me this is the best modern Terminator movie so far
I was at the San Diego Comic Con panel. McG was such an ass. He really thought he had an Aliens on his hands.
Not a great movie but it's the only one since 1984 to have its own indentity so worthy of respect, especially in comparison to the last two rehashes
T2 is my Favorite
Then Terminator
Terminator Salvation
Terminator 3
Terminator Genesis
I suspect the latest Terminator Dark Fate will take its rightful place at the end of this list when it is released.
This is also my list of my favorite Terminator movies
@@zariumsheridan3488, seems you're right, based on reviews I've seen.
@@zariumsheridan3488 No I put Dark Fate above Genesis .