Part 1 Mobility Scooter Won't Work Motor Brake Problem | Shoprider
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2018
- Mobility Scooter Won't Work Motor Brake Problem. I am looking at a Shoprider Mobility Scooter that doesn't work so let's see if we can sort it out.
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Turns out the bleeping was the indicator switch haha, Easily caught out when you don't have any information on these things lol
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retrorestore hi pal any chance you can build a pit engine to one like colin furze
True... Sounds like Adam .ballina
Yes Martin!! I've looked into these!
Nice to find someone who doesn't try to baffle with bullshit. Good post. This from a 60y/o electronics and general engineer.
electrical,electronics training will lead you down many paths,i knew nothing about this vehicle till I saw your video,i knew nothing at all,now I need one,my health dictates its use,thank you for showing me the inside,i'm a master mechanic of 47 years,with a bad back,thank you again
What a great video, having known next to nothing about electric it was fascinating to watch you diagnose the problem. Really interesting, thanks Martin.
Thanks Andrew,
great find of the fault martin very useful to know keep up the great work
We have the Trotter Van and the Trotter Mower, gotta be a Trotter Scooter to come.
Nice one Mustie , I mean Martin lol. If you can get that in your garden , you must be able to get some of the slimmer ride on mowers in as well. Just a thought. Cheers. Rob.
Great diagnosis doctor!
Highly entertaining haha I also agree down the pub it is haha I'm now off to part 2
Nicely done Sherlock 👍
You are a man of many talents Martin. To say how expensive those thing are they look so basic under the covers. Cheers Malcolm
Yes, its a con what they charge to fix them.
Nice one Martin 👍🏻 With all that beeping though, my Wife thought our smoke alarm was going off !
Haha, it was the indicator though lol
Another cracking video Martin! 👍
Cheers bud
another great video Martin it looks like you could turn your hand to anything keep them coming thanks barry
Cheers Barry
I knew you could figure it out ! .. AWESOME !
Cheers Shawn
Great vid Martin 👍 good diagnostic process
Cheers Jamie
Good diagnosis, Martin.
Thanks George.
I believe your brake is an electro magnet .thanks for the vidJoe
Glad to see you back talking, so happy when I seen your 20 minute video, give me something to watch now 👍
your one good man with your hands martin with a good head full of knowledge
Cheers bud
Evening Mart
Hope your feeling better mate , great video as well 👍
Getting there Phil.
Cheers you have hit my problem right away. Great video.
Glad to hear it!
Very informative as normal Martin . As complicated as today’s cars. Hope the new brake sorts it.
It should do Paul.
Cheers
Martin
Cheers martin very well explained 👍 👍
Thanks William,.
Great Video and help by the GEICO Gecko Man.
Well diagnosed Martin. That scooter really suited you lol. :0
Great job
Nice job martin i bet you coukd earn a fortune fixing them! Especially if you had a little van and offered a recovery service
I'd need to know more about them though Pete. I know nothing at the moment.
hello I had the same problem now it's fixed thank you
Great Job ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Good logical process of elimination always solves the problem, well done mate. Think a few driving lessons might be needed though 😁😁😁
Haha, Not used to these Tez
Great tip. I have one to fix. Thanks 👍
No problem 👍
enjoyed the vid Martin well done on the fault finding.atb Steve
Cheers Steve
Martin, Great fault finding without a laptop or diagnostic reader lol i bet the want a small fortune to repair it! Cheers Dave
Yes they do Dave, Hundreds of pounds I think
Good work sir
Very helpful for my nan case hers broke
Thanks for this mate :)
No problem bud.
Excellent vid
Most wheelchairs and scooters have self-diagnostic indicators that often pinpoint the problem from the start. It is usually how many beeps or flashes of lights. You then compare that number of flashes to the model’s troubleshooting guide and it will tell exactly, or give a general area of the problem. Always better to do than to just start taking it apart as in this video.
Enjoyed watching your video and found it most interesting also. Looks as if I might have a similar problem lol. 👍👏👍👏🏴
Thanks for watching!
Thumbs up for helping the friend
Cheers bud
"And now for something completely different" From Monty Python. Popped into my head for some reason. Being a electronics technician, your brain works just like mine. Good troubleshooting process. Anyone with the same problems would find this video useful. It's probably that dust clogging up the works deeper inside the solenoid. Any Trotter Van vids coming?
The bleeping was the indicator though Bri haha, £90 for a new brake solenoid. Trotter vids very soon I hope.
Your a clever chap. Paul from the Isle of Man.
Thanks Paul, it would have been nice to have a wiring diagram though lol
nice one martin. deffo crying out for one of those honda engines on the back though lol
Haha, maybe one day Dave
You sound ever so pleased with your self
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Hey Martin, I am glad to see you work on the same kind of scooter that I own. I really don't use it unless we go to LasVegas or some where that I wouldn't be abble to keep up with the family. They are a right pain in the ass if you ask me but at least I can make it around the house the next day if I use the scooter when my wife tells me to ! Hopw you are feeling better !
I don't know too much about them Cody but we got there in the end. Feeling much better now as well.
Cheers
Martin
I have 2 of these Go-Go scooters (3 wheelers) and I agree they are a PITA. Both of these have solenoid brake issues. Thanks for this video.
As simple as that magnetic brake module is, that would be a piece of cake to fix. However, the drive voltage to operate it could be the problem. And that is either a relay operated or a MOSFET switch. Either are simple to diagnose and replace. JMHO
Cracking vid Martin, you should look in to restoring these things for profit, my wife uses one there expensive and people just do away with them when you get problems like this. Scott
Yes, I did think about it a while ago but did not pursue it.
You sound alot better now Martin.
Getting there Michael.
The armature in the relay is stuck because of all the dust etc. it has accumulated over the years. If you had sprayed WD40 around the armature while you had it apart it would free up with no damage to the relay. Hold it so the work side of the armature is slightly down from horizontal, spray in the top of the opening, and watch the crap run out the bottom. Rotate occasionally while keeping the same angle horizontally and spray until the stuff coming out is clear. Good as new but this is probably too late....
I am going to try this, I have issue with hot brake, hard to follow what you mean about horizontal etc but sounds like you've tried this, any info appreciated.
so took off the ebrake, the coil is potted in resin, so no chance of cleaning it, I did though clean off the clutch surfaces ( the clutch was stuck on when I got the scooter),
the ebrake does get quite warm to the touch, resistance is 49 ohmn which is ok,
not sure if they should get warm or stay cool?
What relay? Do you mean solenoid?
Oh well done 👍, you’ve just saved ur mate a load of money.
Nice video Martin there’s money to be made here😊
Yes there probably is Col, I did think about it a few years ago though.
The ability to fault-find is a very valuable skill, Martin. And it's great to try new challenges. BTW you looked like you were having way too much fun on that scooter!
Haha, just avoiding the dog $h1t John lol
I just subbed 👍
Cheers bud.
Pimp it up as a Phoenix Nights one!
Haha Nice idea Paul
Hi Martin when i saw the thumb nail, I got concerned I thought your dodgy knee had took a turn for the worse lol.
Haha, No, i'm fine lol
I personally think before you return it, you should paint it yellow and put some of your trotters vinyls on it! No income tax, mo.. Bil..ity!Good work 😎
Haha, there's a plan lol
had a similar problem at center parts with one it conked out going up a hill . tried to start it but had overheated I think, phoned a mobility specialised who suggested I try the reset button which I did and it came back to life , not sure if it's still OK as in a shed. waiting a hyabusa transplant . good video and guide .
Now that's a project lol
Simply remove the electronic brake, leaving the electrical connection intact, and see if the motor still turns without popping the breaker.
You definitely deserve 👍
You should jack this in m8 you got the voice of ray Winston you could be a stand in for him lol
Very interesting to see how something different works. By the way it suits you lol
Do you think so lol
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You can email me at retrorestoreuk@gmail.com and i'll give you ma address.
Cheers
Martin
I take it you'll have to do a hard reset by disconnecting the battery, to get rid of that bleeping .nice video
The bleeping was the indicator lol
Bleeping lovely mart.
Baz.
It was the indicator Baz lol
Hahahahah. lol
Loads of money in breaking scooters Martin . This time next year your be a millionaire.
Yes, I've been looking on Ebay, so dear.
I like it, your a very good mechanic on two types of systems.👍. Maybe you can help me, maybe not.🤔on my shoprider the tiller section has a secondary throttle pot on the right handle bar underneath, which is wired to the throttle pot but has no control on it, would you have any idea what this secondary pot is for.plz.🤔
No, sorry Michael.
Thanks for sharing. I need your help. I have a Pride Legend with brake
issues, replaced the brake and solve brake problem. Now I have a 2 flash
light code indicating "motor disconnected". Brushes look OK. no broken
or disconnected wires. Any ideas will be appreciated. Thanks
Hard to say without seeing it bud. sorry.
Have to work on it in morn.
Looking at the number of mobility scooters around I reckon that might be your next big business move Martin, just make sure the indicator is not on ;)
Haha, yes Ian, It would have helped to have an operation and instruction guide lol
retrorestore it’s easily done, I have done just such crazy things in the past myself, staring me right in the face and I did not see it! But eh, even us perfect men get it wrong on rare occasions! :) :)
I picked up a gogo ultra x for hobbie purposes, and will admit this scooter is a little bit frustrating to figure out at first. 2 things i noticed right away--first: pride mobility says there is no bypass for or disconnection of the speed controller (supposedly there isn't one). This is not true. There is no speed limiter aside from the adjustment knob on dash. It can be bypassed which defualts to top speed. Second: the electric brae can be removed and bypassed from the controller. (Tricked into thinking its there when its completely disconnected. I have added a 24v led light and connected it directly to brake harness plug. This has increased the range of my Mobility Scooter beyond the 8 Mile maximum. Battery does not drain as quickly now the electronic brake has been removed
Gotta look dapper on a luxury vehicle like that.
Haha and it has a basket lol
Yo from here in High dependency ICU Southampton hospital freshly opened up and all new splicing
Nice one Ian, glad you came through it ok bud.
That would cost a fortune to repair at a mobility shop, good job Martin
Yes, a few hundred pounds Dave
And there's the rub - the companies that make and market these machines have no shame - they take advantage of the most vulnerable citizens. They charge prices affordable by few, put the products through minimal to no quality assurance testing, warranty the batteries through 3rd parties for 6months to a year max, and the remainder of the machines for 1to 3 years making the purchaser jump through almost impossible hoops to prove that the machine was not "abused." If every senior or disabled person could posess the knowledge, skill and physical strength shown here, there wouldn't be so many isolated, lonely people sitting at home with no way to get out and about. Oh and don't forget that you must only use these on well paved surfaces, during dry weather - they can't figure out a way to waterproof -- like cars, bicycles, shoes, baby carriers , etc.
Nice one Martin. There is a massive market for second hand mobility scooters. Maybe time to branch out?
I had thought about it a few years ago but didn't pursue it.
retrorestore there are so many out there for sale as spares as repairs very cheap and mostly it’s silly little problems. All you need is a small trailor and you’re set mate.
I had the same problem with my mums, took the brake apart checked it seemed ok, greased up where the solenoid should relased the brake and by magic it worked again.
Yes, I'll strip it down again before I buy a new one.
very interesting video more talents . when you fitting a cutting deck lol
Looks like fun
Yes, I know a bit more about them now Bill.
I am getting Easy Rider mobility scooter the horn is not loud enough hope you make it logo can you change it thank you for your support
Plenty of Honda engines under the table chuck one of those on it
Maybe one day Dan lol
Wheeeeeeee.................. :)
Good video, but I'm working on an old Zoom 220 that has sat unused for 10-15 years. I replaced the batteries, and the fuse is good. But all it does is "click" in the reset button. The horn beeps, but that's it. Could something have deteriorated in that unused time?
Thank you!
Hard to say without testing it bud, sorry.
they are more fun with a gas engine on them,lol. the coolest one i have seen has a body off a amusement park ride and seats 2,they cruise the car shows with it here
Yes Colin Furze did a good one.
just watched the 4 videos,pretty slick
4:04 Wow, it's got a diff !
Hi, Do you know how to remove the head control on a shop rider (sovereign), as I need to replace the speed control.? Mick
Sorry bud, I don't.
suits you sir lol
Hi mate were do you get the replacement electric break please ?
I just googled it
is that scooter got a can bus network on it martin ?
I don't know anything about these Si.
If I remove things not sure they go back same wsy
You should have pimped it out with a lawn mower engine 😱👍😜
Haha, Maybe one for the future.
would that part be a parking brake Martin as when you stopped it was roling about a bit
No Bert, it's the main motor brake. It has a manual parking brake though.
Hi Martin... just bought the same one,
With the same problem. Did you order a new solinoide? And it worked? Or did you do something else with it?
Yes it worked, Check out part 2 at ua-cam.com/video/wwL1j_XQZKU/v-deo.html
Thanks for your feedback. Do you know if you can ride it without the electric brake?
@@wimleo71 Its dangerous to do that bud.
@@retrorestore well... on my other scooter the brake is still there, but not on the mother anymore... just wrapped to the chassis ... and still, everything works.. even the motor brake
Hi Martin, i've got one i'm working on, batteries not keeping there charge, problem was that i didn't charge it regular,it was left for over a year, i've been told that if you don't use your scooter,you must charge it at least once a month, i just thought this would be helpful too someone,cheers
Nice one John, This one is used daily.
fred flintstone feet stopping time👍👍👍
You would think at the price of the mobility scoter they would use good parts
I don't know anything about them Matt.
Stick a lawn mower engine on it lol.
Like Colin Furze did?
Could this be a new venture for yourself and Gary, I wonder how many broken scooters there are sitting about
Haha, too many other projects on.
I have Companion rider .got new battery.guy threw it out.had it run in for while.then tried again
.but it won't start now.
Hello Martin,
I have been dealing with something similar a few times already. In my case it was a stairlift. There the same electric motor had been installed. It was also installed this kind of electric brake. I found out that it is powered by 24V (just like the electric motor). This brake was monitored by the controller. On the one hand, whether it was installed (resistance measurement) and which current it consumes. The same applies to the traction motor this is controlled by a Mosfet H-bridge, which can also be partially deffekt. For all errors that can occur, the warning sound was send out (like our scooter ....beep, beep, beep......).
The brake should make a more audible hard "KLACK". I think also that this is broken. But I also believe that this has broken something in the controller.
cheers Bernd
Oh, I´ve read ..... it was the turn signal.
Congartulation, so you have only to deal with the broken brake :-)
Haha, Yes Bernd. It was the turn signal but you are correct, the brake seems weak. It did have the 24 volts going to it though so I suspect a faulty brake.