I wasn’t born until 71 so I don’t remember this show but recently we found it here on YT and man oh man… it’s HILARIOUS and just all round a really fun show. I could binge this all day … the best was a woman came on from Fergus Ontario which is about a half hour from us and was a baseball hall of famer umpire!!! We were so proud of her and turns out I know a few people from Fergus who knew her and her hubby. 🇨🇦 ⚾️
This was not only enjoyable, but interesting historically, as across the ocean in London, England ( 5 hours ahead of EST ) The Beatles had only hours before on the same date performed their famous "London Palladium" show, which made them national stars in the U.K. Also, within a couple hours of this broadcast on early Monday, October 14, 1963, I was born ! Always enjoyed Groucho, as he was not only very funny, but really unpredictable. Great post !
I cannot thank you enough for posting these gems. What an incredible treat! Noteworthy on this one is that I would have guessed Danny Kaye also, based solely on Groucho's fake voice. Wonderful!
@@davidsanderson5918 If there's ever been a bigger pain in the tush than Groucho I'm not aware of them. Harpo and Chico were funny especially Harpo. I just never got the attraction to Groucho. Outside of show biz he may have been great person to know. That I cannot speak to..
The people in this studio were blissfully unaware that across the ocean on this very night, a quartet from Liverpool took the stage at the London Palladium, triggering the outbreak of "Beatlemania." A condition that would spread to this country, and affect it in ways they couldn't imagine, a few months later.
WML is a jewel of what a game show should be. These panelists and the moderator are pure class. They're all successful and articulate in their regular careers.
I believe Duck Soup was the first Marx Brothers film I saw on TV as a child, not even in school yet. I have been an ardent fan ever since! On Mr. Marx's TV show YOU BET YOUR LIFE he asked some questions of a contestant, "Do you have a family?" The contestant said, "Yes a wife and 10 or so children." Groucho replied, "Wow that is a lot of children." The contestant answered, "Yes, I love my wife." Groucho instantly came back with, "I love my cigar, but I take it out once in a while".
Groucho was a voracious reader. His favorite evening's activity was reading at home. He took books and magazines with him wherever he worked. You can find on the Internet that he was good writer as well. Obviously he had an editor on "Memoirs of a Mangy Lover," but Groucho gave them plenty of manuscript to work over. "Well, this has been a wasted evening." Not by a long shot, sir.
Groucho always wanted to be a great writer, but in my opinion he just wasn't (and I know many other Marx fans who share this view). Most of his close friends were writers, and his son Arthur became a writer as a clear attempt at winning his father's approval. Groucho strains far too hard to be funny in every sentence in his books, and says very little of substance, even in his "formal" autobiography, "Groucho and Me". Compare this to Harpo's autobiography, written with the help of a pro, which became one of the most indispensable pieces of literature about the Marx Bros, a field that's quite seriously overcrowded with books. "Mangy Lover" is one of Groucho's weakest, just a collection of essays that largely ape Perelman and Benchley.
The title of Groucho's book and the discussion of his reading habits brings to mind one of my favorite Groucho quotes: "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read."
Sometime you may want to check out Groucho's TV appearance when the Library of Congress asked him to donate his papers. Groucho had a 6th grade education. He starts reading on the air the letter from the Librarian, Quincy Mumford, and the audience laughed because they thought he was making a joke. But he wasn't. He was incredibly moved that only in America would a leading cultural institution seek out the papers for its permanent collection from someone with so little formal education. A great writer was a friend of his, too, TS Eliot. They had autographed pictures of each other on each other's office wall. But TS had to ask Groucho for another because his visitors did not recognize Groucho in a photo in which he wasn't wearing his greasepainted eyebrows and such.
Thank you, Tony Randall! 6:48 In the space of 30 seconds he establishes that something vegetable can be alive and that the word consumable does not mean merely eaten or drunk (he uses the term, "...in the larger sense a consumable product"). A very tight resolution of a couple of WML inconsistencies. Too bad neither John or the panel will remember this.
Robert Melson All of them could save time and just ask "can this item be eaten or drunk?".....or, for non-edible items that are consumable, "does this item need to be renewed when used up?". There you go. Simple.
This comment could go on any WML? video, but I am posting it here because it occurred to me shortly before watching this particular episode. (And maybe it is especially appropriate because Groucho pretty much acts like he can't hear the question every time.) It is fairly consistent that the panel and the challengers have trouble hearing each other from time to time. It occurs to me that it was deliberately kept that way so the panel wouldn't be able to overhear conferences between John Daly and the challengers.
What’s really funny is Groucho says he’s from Deutchland (Germany) from Strasbourg, which is actually in France. Then he says he’s from Salzburg, which is in Austria.
I loved Groucho and the Marx Brothers as a kid , but I remember a book I bought back when I was a teen ( 1975 ) called , "The Marx Brother's Scrapbook" . It was so filthy and full of the "F" word , that I ended up throwing it away later on .
I think he tried to be Rufus T. Firefly all of the time, which was a stretch and a strain to be that witty and manic every time out. Even the great Robin Williams had to give up being Mork from Ork.
I think the panel was playing dumb... after a minute or two, how could the answers they were receiving come from anybody BUT Groucho Marx? There's no way they wouldn't have recognized that sense of humor, and that voice. I think they were bluffing just to keep the game going.
Andrew Gilmore I rather hope it was to frustrate Groucho....I'd LOVE to pretend I didn't know who he was if I was on the panel. "Groucho who??" "Oh him!! Plays the harp, yeah?"
@@kennethlatham3133 This has always bothered me too, with other known cigar smoking contestants, but I think that since nearly everyone smoked, even while on the panel, and possibly everywhere in the studio, it would be less significant to them. I know that I was far less sensitive to the smell of tobacco smoke back then, even though I didn't smoke myself, than I am now after spending many years in a generally smoke free environment.
In the Marx Brothers first major Vaudeville Show, "Fun in Hi Skule," Groucho played a German teacher. In fact, he played a comic German for most of his vaudeville career. He probably enjoyed pulling out his old German accent.
I wonder if Dorothy's "I would've thought it wouldn't be allowed now"....and Daly's "well let's not get into....".....is in reference to the move in 1963 to make Bible-reading in US schools non-compulsory. I thought that was quite edgy of Dorothy, in a good way, to bring that up.
Yup, my own priest told me stories like that, he was from rural Texas and they definitely had preachers in school all the time and bible reading in the mid 1980s.
Dorothy broaches the subject of religious instruction (as opposed to comparative religious history) wouldn't be allowed in the schools now. This comes from the Madalyn Murray O'Hair court case from the early 1960's. Murray filed a lawsuit against the Baltimore City Public School System in 1960, in which she asserted that it was unconstitutional for her son William to be required to participate in Bible readings at Baltimore public schools. In this litigation, she stated that her son's refusal to partake in the Bible readings had resulted in bullying being directed against him by classmates, and that administrators condoned it. After consolidation with Abington School District v. Schempp, the lawsuit reached the Supreme Court of the United States in 1963. The Court voted 8-1 in Schempp's favor, which effectively banned mandatory Bible verse recitation at public schools in the United States. Prayer in schools other than Bible-readings had already been ended in 1962 by the Court's ruling in Engel v. Vitale. However, as is the case with some Supreme Court decisions, it is one thing to have the court decide something and then enforce that decision as law. I can remember as late as 1968, in elementary school praying to Jesus before going to lunch. And this was public school!
Just to add to that, William J. Murray would later break with his mother and become a Christian ministry leader which he still is today (and he's openly repudiated how he felt his mother used him in that case). Not meaning to cause a debate, just a little point of information there.
Joe Postove I can only imagine. But that's exactly why I refuse to allow religious or political debates on these videos, because I believe we all need to have some place to go for a respite. And if a 60 year television game show can't be safe from controversy, what in the world is?
Miss Pattie Thomas had on one of the beautiful wigs that they wore back then. My older sisters had an assortment of wigs styles . One was like the one Diana Ross wore.
I don't understand something. Groucho's last appearance has netted well over 400k views by now. This appearance has less than 10k views? I understand that the 1959 show was a phenomenon and has garnered plenty of rewatches, but you'd think search results for Groucho would have made this one something more than 9k and change. Heck, Maurice Evans' mystery guest appearance from 1960 has 7k views!
Would an animal really have a feeling of well-being after having this product is applied? I think it would almost come under the heading of animal abuse (but not in 1963 of course).
Man... Groucho... When I grow up, I want to be just like him. Addenda: Among other things, wasn't this show elegant? And so it was, every Sunday evening, for years. Remember "alternate sponsors?" I do... barely. The announcer, Johnny Olson, did the voice stuff for about 20 shows a week, everything from "Jackie Gleason" to "The Price is Right," right up until his death in 1985. (Don Pardo's only serious competition for the title, ANNOUNCING ICON.)
I was a teenager when this show was filmed and for the life of me have no clue now why we wanted to bother "teasing" our hair and buying gallons of hair spray to look like we had a growth of some sort on our heads. Either that or some creature nesting in the "rat's nest."
Probably for the same reason you like to walk around attracting attention to your buttocks by having "JUICY" printed across it or wearing your jeans so low your *ss is hanging out, or having ghastly irreversible tattoos all over every exposed part of your body, or shaving your head & genitalia and allowing hair to grow on your armpits and legs: FASHION
It is interesting to compare the way the panel responded to the female Reverend McGuire (identified as a minister) vs. this contestant (identified as evangelist traveling preacher). What is the matter with the panel? Groucho's vocal disguise is still so obviously Groucho that Arlene should have ended it at question 4.
I'm among those who think that they knew who he was but were playing along because they didn't want to end the segment. It's impossible for me to believe they wouldn't have recognized his voice. I truly can't believe that not one of them picked up on that totally unique vocal timbre. They also had the additional clue of the smell of his cigar smoke when he entered.
What's My Line? I agree that it's hard to believe they didn't recognize either his voice, his antics, or his cigar smoke -- let alone all of them in combination! At the same time, they really do seem to be genuinely perplexed. So this perplexes me. It's a fun segment, anyway, and I like it better than his 1959 panel appearance. I am among those who found that he was just too disruptive for comfort in that show. (Sorry.)
SaveThe TPC No. :) What happens is that sometimes, when I get a notification due to a new comment on a thread or a +1 on one of *my* comments, I reread the whole thread. Sometimes, as I think you know, +1's just disappear, so I try to add them again. Sometimes, I was too busy to really read the comments and absorb them. Sometimes I'm so busy I only read the notification, which cuts off at the first two lines. I really am drowning in comments lately-- I've already spent well over two hours just catching up on the comments for the last 24 hours-- and 2-3 hours later there's a whole bunch more!!!
What's My Line? Gotcha. I really thought that all the discussion about Groucho made you want to watch his MG segment again and that you happened to notice that aspect of my comment and so gave it a +, even though you disagreed with me about the disruptiveness. (I guess I have an active imagination. :) ) But now I'm feeling guilty about posting comments, because they're keeping you too busy!
Groucho is hilarious here. Tony Randall seems genuinely confused by his patter and Arlene Francis sounds surprised it's him. I suspect Bennett Cerf may have been staying silent just to hear more. Any German-speakers have a sense of how good the "German" that Groucho and John Daly speak here is? Groucho seemed to have a habit of throwing in the occasional German phrase on "You Bet Your Life" as well. At one point John Daly switches to Russian and tells him "I don't understand."
I know, a long time since you wrote this. Groucho's german is really good allmost without accent but J. Ch. Daly talks only a kind of "Danny Kaye german" one can't really understand a thing he's saying, except his russian, this is really good.
Groucho did speak a little bit of a German dialect, something called "Platsch-Deustch", I think? I may be getting the name completely wrong. It was a dialect spoken by lower income Jews in Germany in the 19th and early 20th century. I don't know if it still exists, but it was supposedly a mixture of Yiddish and German from what I remember reading about it.
As children the Marxes frequently spoke German at home. The Brothers' maternal grandparents lived with them and never learned English. The Brothers' parents both were native German speakers, even though the father's nickname was "Frenchy," a reference to his native Alsace. For the first ten years of his show business career, Groucho used a German accent for his comedy. He dropped the accent during World War I.
"Why can't dogs use the same products we do?" Well, for a start, it would be trans-creature, cross-species merchandising-marketing and that would be wrong. It gives me the creeps just contemplating it
Well, THAT was uncalled for. Bennet asked the Evangelist if there were people in the school that were pleased by what she does. Obviously we all knew what he meant, and John was like, "MR.CERF! I'm REALLY!" as if he was saying something dirty.
Groucho couldn't obey enough of the rules when he was a panelist to allow the show to move forward, and he can't obey them as a mystery guest. He didn't answer any question he was asked. No other comic has ever simply refused to cooperate.
@@brandonflorida1092I'm sorry you don't appreciate Groucho's ad lib ability. IMO he didn't wreck the show he made the 3 shows he was on ('59, 64 & 67) better.
Tony Randall makes this show tons better. I liked him in Odd Couple sitcom. This show drains my android battery because it seems to drag along. Takes too long for the panel to guess the job.
Gotta love Groucho. An old-timer heavy-weight that set standards that still apply. Sort of like Don Rickles with the put-down comedy. Nothing vulgar of course, just the classic 'style', if you will. Never grows old if done tastefully. A classy act, for sure.
VERY close. I'm still missing one show, 1/6/63 with Bert Lahr. I have a clip of the mystery guest segment, but that's all. From this clip, I can tell that it was recorded off GSN just like virtually all of the rest of the shows, so I'm surprised the full show has been so elusive considering the number of serious collectors who have pitched in. Nobody I've found has this one.
epaddon We'll find it! I'm confident someone is going to come through, especially now that we have the FB community going. I'm already waiting for responses from two folks who are checking on whether they have a copy of that one.
This question maybe answered in the 158 comments already made on this video and if it has I guess I missed it, but does anyone know why WML didn't have a show on 10/6/63? John Daly makes mention that they had the previous Sunday off. Thanks!
Here's another example of language changes. When the dog cosmetics seller is on and Dorothy asks if anyone on the panel could use this product, John says "he could think of someone on the panel that could use the product", not for a second thinking Dorothy (as in dog) but Bennett whom it could improve. "Dog" referring to a woman's looks I think may have been a part of teenage lingo at the time, but I wonder if John (or the audience who titters only slightly) even would know that?
+Joe Postove I remember "dog" being used in this manner when I was growing up during this period. According to thesaurus.com, using "dog" in this manner dates back to the 1930's. This connection has always puzzled me as I consider most dogs to be quite pleasing to the eye. Alas, that doesn't take any of the sting out of the insult.
Yes it makes me really sad knowing her time is running out because you start to feel like you know and love the panel and John and what hurts them is distressing to you also. I love Dorothy.
GOOD..I AM GLAD TO SEE THAT ALL THS CBS ERA SHOWS ARE BEING PRESERVED FORUA-cam. .IHOPE THER ARTE OTHER CHANNELS WITH CLASSIC GAME SHOWS THAT YOU TUBE CAN CARRY.THANKS,RANDY
No, sorry, Randy. I only have about 10 episodes, and I'm not really a big fan of the shows I've seen.from the syndicated version. Not that I dislike it, but the CBS era is what really grabs me. If you check around YT you'll find a bunch of episodes have already been posted elsewhere so you can at least get a sampling.
Yes, there are a handful of episodes with original commercials already posted, and around a dozen or so more that I will be adding from later in the run as we get to them. I always make a note at the end of the video "[COMPLETE WITH COMMERCIALS]", so if you go to the main channel page and search the videos there for "commercials", you'll turn up the ones already posted. To save you the trouble this time: What's My Line? - Eleanor Roosevelt (Oct 18, 1953) [COMPLETE WITH COMMERCIALS] What's My Line? - Lucille Ball (Feb 21, 1954) [COMPLETE WITH COMMERCIALS] What's My Line? - Peter, Paul & Mary; Woody Allen [panel] (Jul 7, 1963) [COMPLETE WITH COMMERCIALS] The first episode is also complete, but the show had no sponsor at that point so there are no commercials.
There was lots of smoke in the air all the time. It was not banned in the studio, and John and the regular panel all smoked. A whiff of a cigar wouldn't have necessarily been a clue.
People in the 60s were putting mascara on their dogs' eyes? I assume this was an extremely niche product as most people of that era would find that as absurd as people today.
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I've seen Grocuho's segment about 50 times, but it's always worth another look.
Are you a masochist ?
I wasn’t born until 71 so I don’t remember this show but recently we found it here on YT and man oh man… it’s HILARIOUS and just all round a really fun show. I could binge this all day … the best was a woman came on from Fergus Ontario which is about a half hour from us and was a baseball hall of famer umpire!!! We were so proud of her and turns out I know a few people from Fergus who knew her and her hubby. 🇨🇦 ⚾️
“This was waste of evening” 😂😂😂 hilarious episode. I love this show man🤎
Groucho Marx is one of the greatest comedians/entertainers of the 20th century. And I may add of all time.
This was not only enjoyable, but interesting historically, as across the ocean in London, England ( 5 hours ahead of EST ) The Beatles had only hours before on the same date performed their famous "London Palladium" show, which made them national stars in the U.K. Also, within a couple hours of this broadcast on early Monday, October 14, 1963, I was born !
Always enjoyed Groucho, as he was not only very funny, but really unpredictable.
Great post !
You old
@@mty183 Yes, I am !😁
@@gtrDan1963 I have you beat 13 yrs you're just a pup..
The London Palladium show was the start of Beatlemania, lasting 3 years
Mr. and Mrs. John Smith, the legendary hotel sign-in for amorous and illicit couples. Groucho was the greatest 🤣
fonso1030 . Oh, really? Too funny! He was crazy! 😂 😂
I cannot thank you enough for posting these gems. What an incredible treat! Noteworthy on this one is that I would have guessed Danny Kaye also, based solely on Groucho's fake voice. Wonderful!
Gary Peterson My pleasure, Gary. Glad you're enjoying the shows.
Yep he was also painful to watch as an MG!
@@davidsanderson5918 If there's ever been a bigger pain in the tush than Groucho I'm not aware of them. Harpo and Chico were funny especially Harpo. I just never got the attraction to Groucho. Outside of show biz he may have been great person to know. That I cannot speak to..
The people in this studio were blissfully unaware that across the ocean on this very night, a quartet from Liverpool took the stage at the London Palladium, triggering the outbreak of "Beatlemania." A condition that would spread to this country, and affect it in ways they couldn't imagine, a few months later.
Yep. I am reading the first volume (of three) of the new biography of the Beatles - Tune In by Mark Lewisohn. Its really good.
Actually I liked them since I heard them from local jukebox singing: From me to you, Twist and shout…👍👌👏 but I never screamed…🙄
And a little more than a month later, JFK was assassinated.
@@cerph 💔
1963 was a hell of a year
WML is a jewel of what a game show should be. These panelists and the moderator are pure class. They're all successful and articulate in their regular careers.
Loved Tony Randall.
Tony Randall realizes he’s looking at a legend while shaking hands.
I believe Duck Soup was the first Marx Brothers film I saw on TV as a child, not even in school yet. I have been an ardent fan ever since! On Mr. Marx's TV show YOU BET YOUR LIFE he asked some questions of a contestant, "Do you have a family?" The contestant said, "Yes a wife and 10 or so children." Groucho replied, "Wow that is a lot of children." The contestant answered, "Yes, I love my wife." Groucho instantly came back with, "I love my cigar, but I take it out once in a while".
😄 Duck Soup is my absolute favorite Marx Brothers movie! Such a great combination of clownish fun and spot-on political satire.
WML, already joined the FB group months ago. Really interesting. Thank you so much.
5:53
"Bennett's a people."
I don't know why I find that so adorable.
same here XDDDD
I thought you meant Jews lol
For a good time, call Groucho.
Thanks for posting this complete episode.
Oh how I wish we could hear what is being said when the contestants are greeting the panel!
Wonderful, thank you very much for posting this.
Groucho was a voracious reader. His favorite evening's activity was reading at home. He took books and magazines with him wherever he worked. You can find on the Internet that he was good writer as well. Obviously he had an editor on "Memoirs of a Mangy Lover," but Groucho gave them plenty of manuscript to work over.
"Well, this has been a wasted evening." Not by a long shot, sir.
Groucho always wanted to be a great writer, but in my opinion he just wasn't (and I know many other Marx fans who share this view). Most of his close friends were writers, and his son Arthur became a writer as a clear attempt at winning his father's approval.
Groucho strains far too hard to be funny in every sentence in his books, and says very little of substance, even in his "formal" autobiography, "Groucho and Me". Compare this to Harpo's autobiography, written with the help of a pro, which became one of the most indispensable pieces of literature about the Marx Bros, a field that's quite seriously overcrowded with books. "Mangy Lover" is one of Groucho's weakest, just a collection of essays that largely ape Perelman and Benchley.
The title of Groucho's book and the discussion of his reading habits brings to mind one of my favorite Groucho quotes:
"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read."
Sometime you may want to check out Groucho's TV appearance when the Library of Congress asked him to donate his papers. Groucho had a 6th grade education. He starts reading on the air the letter from the Librarian, Quincy Mumford, and the audience laughed because they thought he was making a joke. But he wasn't. He was incredibly moved that only in America would a leading cultural institution seek out the papers for its permanent collection from someone with so little formal education. A great writer was a friend of his, too, TS Eliot. They had autographed pictures of each other on each other's office wall. But TS had to ask Groucho for another because his visitors did not recognize Groucho in a photo in which he wasn't wearing his greasepainted eyebrows and such.
Thank you, Tony Randall! 6:48 In the space of 30 seconds he establishes that something vegetable can be alive and that the word consumable does not mean merely eaten or drunk (he uses the term, "...in the larger sense a consumable product"). A very tight resolution of a couple of WML inconsistencies. Too bad neither John or the panel will remember this.
Robert Melson All of them could save time and just ask "can this item be eaten or drunk?".....or, for non-edible items that are consumable, "does this item need to be renewed when used up?". There you go. Simple.
"Oh, my my my!" -- Mr. Moochick from My Little Pony Generation 1, voiced by Tony Randall.
I love Groucho.
It like watching for the first time even though I went through those years
This comment could go on any WML? video, but I am posting it here because it occurred to me shortly before watching this particular episode. (And maybe it is especially appropriate because Groucho pretty much acts like he can't hear the question every time.)
It is fairly consistent that the panel and the challengers have trouble hearing each other from time to time. It occurs to me that it was deliberately kept that way so the panel wouldn't be able to overhear conferences between John Daly and the challengers.
What’s really funny is Groucho says he’s from Deutchland (Germany) from Strasbourg, which is actually in France. Then he says he’s from Salzburg, which is in Austria.
Wouldn't you love to see what Groucho said to the panel during the commercial break?
I would have asked him whether or not this product is found in your kitchen
Nice!! (For benefit of the peanut gallery: reference to a perseverative non-sequitur by Groucho in his prior panel appearance.)
Taylor Dean Ohhhh don't remind me. I HATED that episode. What a berk he was.
@@davidsanderson5918 Who cares if he was a berk? It's Groucho! He can je the biggest berk he wants to je!
@@kennethlatham3133 Hahaaaha...You are too junny!
I agree...It's Groucho!
@@kennethlatham3133 That's exactly why they had Groucho on.
Too bad they ran out of time because Groucho was on a roll and really had the panel going.
Groucho was actually a highly intelligent person, if a bit of a pain at times
Kirk Barkley I find him a pain all the time he's on here. This isn't comedy it's just being oppositional and unco-operative. Any child can do that.
@@davidsanderson5918 No they can't.
@@davidsanderson5918 Keep talking! He needs straight men like you to work off of.
I loved Groucho and the Marx Brothers as a kid , but I remember a book I bought back when I was a teen ( 1975 ) called , "The Marx Brother's Scrapbook" . It was so filthy and full of the "F" word , that I ended up throwing it away later on .
I think he tried to be Rufus T. Firefly all of the time, which was a stretch and a strain to be that witty and manic every time out. Even the great Robin Williams had to give up being Mork from Ork.
I have been watcing What's My Line every Sunday for years and this is the funniest episode I have ever seen
As if they couldn’t tell it was Groucho..apart from the voice..the smell of cigar would have been a dead give away! 😄
Thought the same!
They knew how to play the game, whatever it required, which is why it lasted so long.
Could have been George Burns or Milton Berle - they loved their cigars as well 😂
@@arlenecerf8833 Ernie Kovaks, too. You can almost smell it 70 years later on You Tube.
I thought that too about George Burns with the cigar… lol. But it still took them a couple questions each.
Did anyone notice Tony Randall immediately use a napkin to wipe his hands after shaking the first guests hand? He really was Felix
Probably a sweaty-palmed contestant; nerves.
Or probably he guessed the outbreak of covid and the usefulness of hand sanitization at that time. So he was making himself ready for it. 😇😇
Maybe it was the chalk.
I think the panel was playing dumb... after a minute or two, how could the answers they were receiving come from anybody BUT Groucho Marx? There's no way they wouldn't have recognized that sense of humor, and that voice. I think they were bluffing just to keep the game going.
I agree-- especially the voice, which at times was unmistakably Groucho's.
What's My Line?
Exactly.
Andrew Gilmore I rather hope it was to frustrate Groucho....I'd LOVE to pretend I didn't know who he was if I was on the panel. "Groucho who??" "Oh him!! Plays the harp, yeah?"
Not to mention, the CIGAR SMOKE! I thought that would betray him immediately!
@@kennethlatham3133 This has always bothered me too, with other known cigar smoking contestants, but I think that since nearly everyone smoked, even while on the panel, and possibly everywhere in the studio, it would be less significant to them. I know that I was far less sensitive to the smell of tobacco smoke back then, even though I didn't smoke myself, than I am now after spending many years in a generally smoke free environment.
When this episode was broadcast, I was 2 days old. 😲🙂
But Groucho was so funny,you still remember the show-even at two days of age!
In the Marx Brothers first major Vaudeville Show, "Fun in Hi Skule," Groucho played a German teacher. In fact, he played a comic German for most of his vaudeville career. He probably enjoyed pulling out his old German accent.
I wonder if Dorothy's "I would've thought it wouldn't be allowed now"....and Daly's "well let's not get into....".....is in reference to the move in 1963 to make Bible-reading in US schools non-compulsory. I thought that was quite edgy of Dorothy, in a good way, to bring that up.
Yup, my own priest told me stories like that, he was from rural Texas and they definitely had preachers in school all the time and bible reading in the mid 1980s.
Though she was immediately shut diwn..didn't even finish the sentence
@@dalej42 And now we have something really "fabulous" going on in the schools.
I took notice when Bennett and John Charles Daly mentioned Minnesota; I am from Minnesota!
Well, there you go! You had to know the universe wasn't going to keep it a secret from you forever!
John taking some shots at Bennett in the opening of this episode. After 13 years of taking it he is starting to fire back!
Dorothy broaches the subject of religious instruction (as opposed to comparative religious history) wouldn't be allowed in the schools now. This comes from the Madalyn Murray O'Hair court case from the early 1960's.
Murray filed a lawsuit against the Baltimore City Public School System in 1960, in which she asserted that it was unconstitutional for her son William to be required to participate in Bible readings at Baltimore public schools. In this litigation, she stated that her son's refusal to partake in the Bible readings had resulted in bullying being directed against him by classmates, and that administrators condoned it. After consolidation with Abington School District v. Schempp, the lawsuit reached the Supreme Court of the United States in 1963. The Court voted 8-1 in Schempp's favor, which effectively banned mandatory Bible verse recitation at public schools in the United States. Prayer in schools other than Bible-readings had already been ended in 1962 by the Court's ruling in Engel v. Vitale.
However, as is the case with some Supreme Court decisions, it is one thing to have the court decide something and then enforce that decision as law. I can remember as late as 1968, in elementary school praying to Jesus before going to lunch. And this was public school!
Just to add to that, William J. Murray would later break with his mother and become a Christian ministry leader which he still is today (and he's openly repudiated how he felt his mother used him in that case). Not meaning to cause a debate, just a little point of information there.
epaddon These comments are totally fine with me. Don't worry about a religious debate starting-- if I see anything like that, I'll end it quickly!
What's My Line? Don't worry about me, Gary. I get plenty here in Israel. This is a respite for me.
Joe Postove I can only imagine. But that's exactly why I refuse to allow religious or political debates on these videos, because I believe we all need to have some place to go for a respite. And if a 60 year television game show can't be safe from controversy, what in the world is?
What's My Line? "And if a 60 year television game show can't be safe from controversy, what in the world is?" Say...what about that Mississippi River?
Groucho had a sharp with that stood light years above anyone!
3:54 dang they wrote cursive so beautifully in those days.
I expect the guests practiced before signing in on camera.
This is the second best panel lineup on WML. Replace Tony Randall with Steve Allen and you have the best.
Miss Pattie Thomas had on one of the beautiful wigs that they wore back then. My older sisters had an assortment of wigs styles . One was like the one Diana Ross wore.
I don't understand something. Groucho's last appearance has netted well over 400k views by now. This appearance has less than 10k views? I understand that the 1959 show was a phenomenon and has garnered plenty of rewatches, but you'd think search results for Groucho would have made this one something more than 9k and change. Heck, Maurice Evans' mystery guest appearance from 1960 has 7k views!
Get a life, Bobby
Would an animal really have a feeling of well-being after having this product is applied? I think it would almost come under the heading of animal abuse (but not in 1963 of course).
Not “almost” abuse. Abuse. Especially the products with an odor.
Just what I thought..they would not enjoy it
Man...
Groucho...
When I grow up, I want to be just like him.
Addenda:
Among other things, wasn't this show elegant? And so it was, every Sunday evening, for years.
Remember "alternate sponsors?" I do... barely.
The announcer, Johnny Olson, did the voice stuff for about 20 shows a week, everything from "Jackie Gleason" to "The Price is Right," right up until his death in 1985.
(Don Pardo's only serious competition for the title, ANNOUNCING ICON.)
You would think the smell of the cigar would have given his I.D. away
I was a teenager when this show was filmed and for the life of me have no clue now why we wanted to bother "teasing" our hair and buying gallons of hair spray to look like we had a growth of some sort on our heads. Either that or some creature nesting in the "rat's nest."
Probably for the same reason you like to walk around attracting attention to your buttocks by having "JUICY" printed across it or wearing your jeans so low your *ss is hanging out, or having ghastly irreversible tattoos all over every exposed part of your body, or shaving your head & genitalia and allowing hair to grow on your armpits and legs: FASHION
Pattie Thomas is approximately 22 years old during this episode. But after this, there seems to be no information about her on the Internet.
Do a search for Patricia Franklin Thomas. I wonder if this is the same woman.
Wonder why? Oh yeah,zzzzzzzzz-
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@@marnie0512 I believe you're right, I believe it's her.
I wish what's my lion was still on TV this is such a great show
What’s My Lion is an interesting suggestion. Would the lion eat the guests who didn’t manage to stump the panel? I’d pay good money to watch that!
@@hazelanderson1479 Or what's your lion doing on TV in the first place?
Checking the date, this was after the Chronicles of Narnia were completed, and the second contestant did technically work for Aslan.
@@hazelanderson1479it's the roman empire version
19:05 “mr. & Mrs. John Smith.” 😂 😂
I can't imagine they didn't smell the cigar and figure out Groucho nearly immediately.
"This was a wasted evening." Hilarious!
It is interesting to compare the way the panel responded to the female Reverend McGuire (identified as a minister) vs. this contestant (identified as evangelist traveling preacher).
What is the matter with the panel? Groucho's vocal disguise is still so obviously Groucho that Arlene should have ended it at question 4.
I'm among those who think that they knew who he was but were playing along because they didn't want to end the segment. It's impossible for me to believe they wouldn't have recognized his voice. I truly can't believe that not one of them picked up on that totally unique vocal timbre.
They also had the additional clue of the smell of his cigar smoke when he entered.
What's My Line?
I agree that it's hard to believe they didn't recognize either his voice, his antics, or his cigar smoke -- let alone all of them in combination! At the same time, they really do seem to be genuinely perplexed. So this perplexes me. It's a fun segment, anyway, and I like it better than his 1959 panel appearance. I am among those who found that he was just too disruptive for comfort in that show. (Sorry.)
What's My Line?
Hmm.... I'm guessing that this belated + from you means that I adequately identified my reaction as opinion?
SaveThe TPC No. :) What happens is that sometimes, when I get a notification due to a new comment on a thread or a +1 on one of *my* comments, I reread the whole thread. Sometimes, as I think you know, +1's just disappear, so I try to add them again. Sometimes, I was too busy to really read the comments and absorb them. Sometimes I'm so busy I only read the notification, which cuts off at the first two lines.
I really am drowning in comments lately-- I've already spent well over two hours just catching up on the comments for the last 24 hours-- and 2-3 hours later there's a whole bunch more!!!
What's My Line?
Gotcha. I really thought that all the discussion about Groucho made you want to watch his MG segment again and that you happened to notice that aspect of my comment and so gave it a +, even though you disagreed with me about the disruptiveness. (I guess I have an active imagination. :) )
But now I'm feeling guilty about posting comments, because they're keeping you too busy!
20:20 what is Daly saying? I want to make sure I heard that right lol
Hilarious Groucho appearance!
I am surprised Groucho's cigar smoke didn't give him away immediately.
Me too. It did away in the case of Ernie Kovac.
For the fact he wouldn't stop talking, I'd have easily guessed Groucho,
Groucho wanted to be a writer more than anything!
He wrote several books - one was Memoirs of a Mangy Lover.
Groucho Marx... and and Harpo Marx.
He turns around... and stares at him !
I peed in my bed at 12 years old. Damn funny. ;-)
Groucho is hilarious here. Tony Randall seems genuinely confused by his patter and Arlene Francis sounds surprised it's him. I suspect Bennett Cerf may have been staying silent just to hear more.
Any German-speakers have a sense of how good the "German" that Groucho and John Daly speak here is? Groucho seemed to have a habit of throwing in the occasional German phrase on "You Bet Your Life" as well. At one point John Daly switches to Russian and tells him "I don't understand."
I know, a long time since you wrote this. Groucho's german is really good allmost without accent but J. Ch. Daly talks only a kind of "Danny Kaye german" one can't really understand a thing he's saying, except his russian, this is really good.
Groucho did speak a little bit of a German dialect, something called "Platsch-Deustch", I think? I may be getting the name completely wrong. It was a dialect spoken by lower income Jews in Germany in the 19th and early 20th century. I don't know if it still exists, but it was supposedly a mixture of Yiddish and German from what I remember reading about it.
Yes -- "Platt," or "Plattdeutsch."
As children the Marxes frequently spoke German at home. The Brothers' maternal grandparents lived with them and never learned English. The Brothers' parents both were native German speakers, even though the father's nickname was "Frenchy," a reference to his native Alsace.
For the first ten years of his show business career, Groucho used a German accent for his comedy. He dropped the accent during World War I.
What did Dorothy say at 12:45? It was two words which I couldn't hear clearly. Somethi9ng to do with wigs?
Kenneth Bjorkmann I think she says "that's fine then".....possibly?
"Why can't dogs use the same products we do?"
Well, for a start, it would be trans-creature, cross-species merchandising-marketing and that would be wrong. It gives me the creeps just contemplating it
Just the idea of dogs wearing makeup at all gives me the creeps.
A little over a mont after this show the world as we know it would change forever..
Which would eventually take a toll on Dorothy Kilgallen.
I noticed that also
Groucho's not trying very hard to disguise his voice in this one!
Well, THAT was uncalled for. Bennet asked the Evangelist if there were people in the school that were pleased by what she does. Obviously we all knew what he meant, and John was like, "MR.CERF! I'm REALLY!" as if he was saying something dirty.
Groucho couldn't obey enough of the rules when he was a panelist to allow the show to move forward, and he can't obey them as a mystery guest. He didn't answer any question he was asked. No other comic has ever simply refused to cooperate.
That's what made him so adored! He never missed an opportunity to make a joke, and he was always ready! ❤️❤️❤️🤣
@@donnacook8994 I think he just wrecked the show whenever he was on.
@@brandonflorida1092I'm sorry you don't appreciate Groucho's ad lib ability. IMO he didn't wreck the show he made the 3 shows he was on ('59, 64 & 67) better.
@@richardrice8076 I do appreciate it, but this is a game show. No other comic who was ever on just couldn't cooperate with the show moving forward.
Tony Randall makes this show tons better. I liked him in Odd Couple sitcom. This show drains my android battery because it seems to drag along. Takes too long for the panel to guess the job.
Groucho was so crazy. With his sense of humor
Gotta love Groucho. An old-timer heavy-weight that set standards that still apply. Sort of like Don Rickles with the put-down comedy. Nothing vulgar of course, just the classic 'style', if you will. Never grows old if done tastefully. A classy act, for sure.
Do you have all of the"What's My Line" episodes from the CBS DAYS?
VERY close. I'm still missing one show, 1/6/63 with Bert Lahr. I have a clip of the mystery guest segment, but that's all. From this clip, I can tell that it was recorded off GSN just like virtually all of the rest of the shows, so I'm surprised the full show has been so elusive considering the number of serious collectors who have pitched in. Nobody I've found has this one.
What's My Line? And silly me, because I *had* it and lost it when I threw out the wrong tape after transferring several to DVD a couple years ago.
epaddon We'll find it! I'm confident someone is going to come through, especially now that we have the FB community going. I'm already waiting for responses from two folks who are checking on whether they have a copy of that one.
What's My Line? I might have that buried somewhere on VHS at my parents' house. Next time I'm down there I will look for it.
charleshberman Please do. . . it will drive me a little batty to be missing just one of the 750+ available programs!
This question maybe answered in the 158 comments already made on this video and if it has I guess I missed it, but does anyone know why WML didn't have a show on 10/6/63? John Daly makes mention that they had the previous Sunday off. Thanks!
+Jeff Vaughn CBS ran "Elizabeth Taylor in London" instead.
Robert Melson
Thanks!
Followed by "Richard Burton in Heat"
Here's another example of language changes. When the dog cosmetics seller is on and Dorothy asks if anyone on the panel could use this product, John says "he could think of someone on the panel that could use the product", not for a second thinking Dorothy (as in dog) but Bennett whom it could improve. "Dog" referring to a woman's looks I think may have been a part of teenage lingo at the time, but I wonder if John (or the audience who titters only slightly) even would know that?
+Joe Postove
I remember "dog" being used in this manner when I was growing up during this period. According to thesaurus.com, using "dog" in this manner dates back to the 1930's. This connection has always puzzled me as I consider most dogs to be quite pleasing to the eye. Alas, that doesn't take any of the sting out of the insult.
Sometimes, like now, I get creeped out watching Dorothy enter - knowing she'd be murdered in 2 years. What an awful shame.
Yes it makes me really sad knowing her time is running out because you start to feel like you know and love the panel and John and what hurts them is distressing to you also.
I love Dorothy.
How could they NOT KNOW???! Saying, " They call me Rider Haggard." Absolutely hysterical.
Grouchos last words: The nurse said "I'm sorry, but you are dying" Groucho said, "Why my dear, that's the last thing I'll do!"😂
"This was a wasted evening"
GOOD..I AM GLAD TO SEE THAT ALL THS CBS ERA SHOWS ARE BEING PRESERVED FORUA-cam. .IHOPE THER ARTE OTHER CHANNELS WITH CLASSIC GAME SHOWS THAT YOU TUBE CAN CARRY.THANKS,RANDY
Randy Todd NO PROBLEM RANDY. CAN YOU HEAR ME OK OVER THERE?? :)
Did they not smell the cigar smoke?
ok.do you have some ftom the 1970s syndicated days?i watchd a little bit on my smartphone this morning.randy
No, sorry, Randy. I only have about 10 episodes, and I'm not really a big fan of the shows I've seen.from the syndicated version. Not that I dislike it, but the CBS era is what really grabs me. If you check around YT you'll find a bunch of episodes have already been posted elsewhere so you can at least get a sampling.
You'd think the panel members would have smelled that cigar. Many stars smoked back then, but he was being goofy, besides.
Groucho's voice could not be very well disguised. I think the Panel had a good idea almost immediately.
A great show period.Steven M.Fanale
They knew it was Graucho within the first minutes to be honest
I wonder why no one could smell the cigar. Wouldn't that have been a clue to who the mystery guest was?
20:27 poor John. He's so lost with what to do with that question, lol.
Just listening to the dog perfume, man Dorothy was so smart. Sad she passed soon
What does Daly say in German?
Sounds like Mr. Daly gave it away who the mystry celebrity is for this episode.
Wow, this show is so mundane without Groucho.
IS IT POSSIBLE THAT SOME OF THESE EPISODES MAY HAVE ORGINAL COMMERCIALS ?
Yes, there are a handful of episodes with original commercials already posted, and around a dozen or so more that I will be adding from later in the run as we get to them. I always make a note at the end of the video "[COMPLETE WITH COMMERCIALS]", so if you go to the main channel page and search the videos there for "commercials", you'll turn up the ones already posted.
To save you the trouble this time:
What's My Line? - Eleanor Roosevelt (Oct 18, 1953) [COMPLETE WITH COMMERCIALS]
What's My Line? - Lucille Ball (Feb 21, 1954) [COMPLETE WITH COMMERCIALS]
What's My Line? - Peter, Paul & Mary; Woody Allen [panel] (Jul 7, 1963) [COMPLETE WITH COMMERCIALS]
The first episode is also complete, but the show had no sponsor at that point so there are no commercials.
Randy Todd IT IS INDEED.
Mr. and Mrs. John Smith?! Oy....
Groucho was unique, although we have to admit the Italian accent wasn't bad. [I think it was Italian.] :-)
Who didn't know the minute they caught a wiff of the cigar? lol
There was lots of smoke in the air all the time. It was not banned in the studio, and John and the regular panel all smoked. A whiff of a cigar wouldn't have necessarily been a clue.
Yeah Seattle and Salmon !
They must've been able to smell his cigar.
They couldn't smell his cigar?
Groucho Marx would drive me to drink lol he never shuts up!
21:03 funny part
OMG: what a ham for a Mystery Guest. Someone ought to have told him that the goal is to fool the panel by speaking as little as possible!
Anyone speak German and can translate what John said to Groucho? Very impressive
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People in the 60s were putting mascara on their dogs' eyes? I assume this was an extremely niche product as most people of that era would find that as absurd as people today.