Racist history of Black Face and Black Pete Sinterklaas | Documentary @antoinespeaker
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- Опубліковано 17 лют 2019
- Blackface is racist. But what if it's a country's tradition?
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Blackface, from Gucci, American politicians, footballers and teachers... sadly it seems this racist tradition is still alive and well today.
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you should try and be more objective.
Antoine Speaks I love Black Pete. I want to attend the event
If you look up blackface in wikipedia on the left you can select a different language for a page about the same subject. You'll find out that the Dutch word for 'blackface' is 'blackface'. The German word for blackface is blackface, the French word for blackface is blackface, the Italian word for blackface is blackface, the Spanish word for blackface is blackface, the Norvegian word for blackface is blackface, should I go on?
How come all these cultures didn't come up with their own word for their own cultural tradition? Maybe it's because 'blackface' is part of Anglo-Saxon culture and this phenomenon doesn't exist outside America and the UK? You've put racial hatred in facepainting and now you're blaming other cultures who never did?
I'd like to see Zwarte Piet changed rather sooner than later, but for Dutch reasons and not because uneducated anglo's with their backward racist cultures still can't wrap their head around the existence of different culturs with different traditions from different origins. And certainly not because two-faced people like Afriyie are sabotaging solutions and only using Zwarte Piet to pose as real victims of American style racism for their international panafrican brotherhood with their racist idea's.
You gotta know that speaking from our side : Europeans, we NEVER saw back Pete as a slave, we always saw them as the really nice people helping the old s. Nicolas as he gets older each year. He isn't really black we all see it as Pete climbing downwards through the chimney to give the presents while the old s. Nicolas waits on the roof on his horse or sometimes gets his key that opens all doors. His face gets all black bc of the soot in the chimney.
No matter which side you support, a documentary shouldn't be one-sided
yh it does
it depends on what
That's just not how it works
are u a moron? lets go back to world war and see the nazis vs the jews? are u going to hear what a nazi has to say? ur definitely a moron
@@kaleb51 exactly what i saw thinking
Context is everything. With this level of research, you might argue that the Senama Santa festival in Spain is a KKK rally.
if it doesn't matter can i ask you how can you compare a kkk rally with semana santa (a religious festival), im truly curious
@@manuelfernandez19 You can compare or juxtapose any two things, even apples and oranges. The point is that without context, it is very likely that said comparison would yield incorrect assumptions.
If you'd show 10 random Americans a picture of Semana Santa, most of them would think it had something to do with the KKK because of the coincidental similarities in clothing.
Same goes for the ZP figure and blackface. The superficial physical similarities are a coincidence and do not share the same origin. That assumption is based on a lack of understanding of the actual contexts of the two things.
it is blackface, it is racist they are depicting black people. the hair is even black curly hair, dont try and say theyre not depicting a black person. moron.
@@kaleb51 No need for name calling. Look, I do not deny at all that the ZP figure is black, but it simply isn't blackface. Blackface is an American thing, deliberately meant to mock.
The traditional black Pete isn't that at all. It is not even vaguely related, which is why I used the Semana Santa example. One should not judge culture on the superficial attributes. That is ironically a bit racist.
All you could do is make the case that any race or ethnicity should never for any reason act and dress up like another race or ethnicity. This would also mean that black people should not portrait white people. If that is you position, I'm okay with that. If, however, you base your opinion of my culture purely on superficial elements and ignorance, I will have something to say about that.
How about you try to answer with facts instead of making a weird nonsense anecdote
That "Please dont beat me, sir" got me weak. 😂💀
That accent tho
I think you missed something. I lived in the Netherlands for two and I HAD to go to school. When I asked everyone they said, "Its the charcoal when they leave presents for you"."
Indeed the pete's are black coloured because of going thru the chimney. It is not that black people are working for 1 white guy but just people that are black because of going thru the chimney.
@paru paro not true the most of the protesters against black pete are white people...besides this man in the video is from England so he has no need to interfere our tradition.
It don’t matter it’s still offensive to black people cuz it’s still black face
@@Nenebackat-it Why are many black people the Netherlands in favor of Black Pete, if is offensive to them? Just one example: twitter.com/Incredible_Audy/status/1173889020537057280
@@akruijff many black people? You linked a tweet of a single black person, lol. That's not ''many'' black people. You're Dutch and you should've noticed that more and more black people, as well as some whites and others, are letting their voices be heard about deeming black Pete problematic. Gijs Rademaker has done multiple polls in which he asked whether people are okay with black Pete slowly changing into charcoal Pete - which according to most people is what black Pete is supposed to resemble - and according to those polls people are accepting the charcoal version. If he is supposed to resemble a helper who goes through chimneys, then why doesn't the original actually look like one? The original has many physical traits of how slaves were depicted back in the day.
U missed a lot of relevant points in this video most of the things u said are completely false and u should of brushed up on ur facts before going there.
He purposely did it because he wants to find it offensive. So he left out lots of stuff to make it look like nasty pack of racists . I laughed when he said there was 40 right wingers . Oh no !!! I wonder how many there would be in England or USA that's nothing in comparison to the pop
@dao ist because it is...
I’m dutch and I’m ashamed of this. It’s just racism doesn’t matter if it is a tradition or not
@@ltus6324 That doesn't matter tho, what if I was Dutch and I'm not ashamed of this? yeah...Doesn't matter if you're Ducth. A lot of Dutch people support this.
True
Notice how they even talk about the history behind it and tell people it's a "disguise"
So here's the thing: My mom is Dutch...I was born and raised in Bermuda (I'm 100% white) - a black majority country (60%)....my Mom (and my Oma!) managed to celebrate Sinterklaas and the Christmas season without a *single* mention of Zwarte Piet...like I was literally maybe 16 or so the first time I saw it and it still makes me so deeply uncomfortable to this day. I truly don't understand how anyone can see it as anything other than an outdated minstrel character.
Just about this year we changed zwarte piet to roet veeg Piet (chimney piet), zwarte piet right now is just a white guy with some black paint looking like he got dirty in the chimney. And still the discussion rages on, The anti zwarte piet just as the pro zwarte piet demonstration are very aggressive. The problem with this discussion right now is the national recognition. Celebrities comment on zwarte piet without any research. It’s getting really annoying right how every year the same is going on. We have been brought up thinking zwarte piet was a really cool guy. When I was in class and we started singing Sinterklaas songs for them to come in I was really hyped, I loved it. This discussion destroys the purpose of Sinterklaas, the children. Children don’t care about zwarte piet being black, white or damn blue. It’s funny me being pro zwarte piet a year ago to me becoming anti just because of the way people behave around it. It’s really childish.
lol this is such a one sides documentary. especially the guy in the bus. Pretty sure he is known to complain about everything, eventhough there are literally black people that openly defend black pete. Hell, if you go to the former dutch colonies, BLACK people dress up as black pete there and they love it!
Exactly also the news articles about kozp being attacked is based on rumors. The police report for now says they knocked on the door and a picture has been made.
yea and there are people called selllouts too. u godamn moron
This is so important, everyone should watch this documentary!! Thank you for shedding a necessary light on this!!
The guy near the end talks about white supremacy, I don't see those kids having fun and celebrating as white supremacists...
Good documentary but its 1 sided and if you asked more people of both sides you would of known that the black is from charcoal I live in the Netherlands and there is so many diversity in our country and now it seems like the Netherlands is the most racist country while we arent because you only showed one side of the story.
Red lips though?
@@jqysen i also have red lips
@@zujo_3202 painted on red lips?
Yea he's a slime bag he wants it to be one sided
ZUJO _ oh so the red lips, curly black hair and golden earrings just came from the chimney too?
I am so confused on how I am viewing this video by looking around, when the video is unlisted or at least it says it is.
Okay, as a Dutch I can tell you this... we don’t get taught about the “bad” side of our history. We get taught that the Netherlands was the greatest during the colonial time... we don’t het taught the dark side... 90% who defend black pete are not well educated on its history and really do believe that he is just a character who is a friend to the kids. So ignorance plays a major key. As change is coming in slowly... it does take time. It took me 5 years (from being called out by my foreign friends to doing my own research) to come to the conclusion that the history of black pete isn’t innocent. And that it is absolutely strange to have a tradition that looks and acts like black face. It was hard for me to admit this because I’ve never ever linked an African person (or someone of African decent) to black Pete. In my head they have never been the same. Yet.... here I am.... Taking a stand. Black pete is a colonial hangover.
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I thought it sayed blueface lol 😂
A Random name sayed ?
Same 😂 lmao
Same lol
Ik I was gonna find a whole bunch of racist people in this comment section
Ask a regular Dutchman the history and backstory behind Zwarte Piet. They won't know, but they will protect their "tradition". 🤦🏾♂️
every single dutch person knows the back story, because of dumbasses like you that make these dumb assumptions
Thank you for covering this... As a dutch black woman, it's... Completely bonkers
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@Horatio KJV Bible Hi troll. White Dutch woman here: Zwarte Pieten are disgusting and racist.
@Horatio KJV Bible wtf doe niet zo racistisch
@@genericusername2 Doe even normaal zeg. Ben je ook zo'n anti zwarte piet supporter? Kom op zeg, dit hoort een leuk feestdag te zijn. Begrijp dat kinderen er minder lol in gaan krijgen door mensen zoals jij. Mensen die protesteren en schreeuwen in kinderen hun oren omdat zij het verkeerd vinden dat een leuk bedacht figuur die snoepgoed uitdeelt eenmaal zwart geschminkt is. En vervolgens gaan die kinderen minder lol krijgen in die optochten of zelf HUILEN! Er was niks mis met de feestdag totdat iedereen opeens begon te haten op zwarte piet. Dus je hebt nu 2 opties: je blijft een hekel hebben aan zwarte piet en daardoor ervoor zorgt dat er negatieve fibes in de feestdag komen. Of je accepteert de feestdag zoals het is en geniet van de leuke sfeer en het gelach van kinderen die blij snoepgoed ontvangen van de enige echte zwarte piet. Jouw keuze, ik beslis niet wat je leuk of niet leuk moet vinden. Alleen denk er wel aan dat het je niet iets oplevert
I think it's bonkers how they paint them into rainbow colours in the netherlands lately. Who is going to get offended now? Maybe it's insulting for lgbt people...
At least in belgium they don't come up with ridiculous sollutions.
I understand that you feel offended. But black pete nowadays isn't meant to be racist. I assure you, if you grew up with this the right way you would get how the version nowadays isn't meant to be racist. Please, stop making this discussion. It's just about the kids..
The racist shouldn't be the one to decide what is racist or not. This is not a debate to decide if it should be abolished or not, but if it is racist or not, and it surely is.
@@wamba8520 you just skipped my entire comment
@@frootloop5387 it is a holiday meant for kids, but grown ups play a role in it as well. I'm sure that most people who play a role as black Pete aren't racist, because they grew up thinking he's just a helper, a kind-hearted character that has no bad traits or negativity around him. But when you put the old racist drawings and movies of demeaning caricatures of black slaves next to what black Pete looks like, you can clearly see the similarities. Black fuzzy curles, bright red lips, golden earings. This is not just someone who went through a chimney, this is the mocking of black slaves. Just because these are festive activities for kids, doesn't mean that we can't discuss this problem as adults. And I'm sure they don't mind seeing them change into actual chimney Petes.
The kids dont give a fck if black pete is black. Make it yellow or any other colour if its really about the kids. It’s not meant to be racist but it is racist as hell, it’s just a ignorant tradition.
ugk4life020 facts bruv !!
Maybe try and go to the Dutch Antilles and see what people think of zwarte piet there?
more fun than here in Netherlands
@R Refos jij bent een racist, je scheert iedereen over een kam
(De nederlanders)
@R Refos moet jij zo nodig zeggen, je wilt zielig gevonden worden, omdat je zwart bent, ik heb slecht nieuws voor je, niemand vind je zielig
@R Refos racist
@R Refos In Afrika besnijden ze vrouwen, ga daar heen om te zeuren, zul je zien wat er dan gebeurt.
I have to say I dont like this because to me it sounds like they want kids to be scared of us black people and I dont like that they where hitting that guy also I dont like how they where making fun of us though but in my opinion I think this is racist
It's because of how this guy tells the story
You've got it completely wrong, 'black pete' gives gifts out to children. How can you be scared of someone that brings you joy and gifts?
@@emilienneverkerk413 as the Black woman said being having a warm feeling seeing Black Pete is not what they stand for, and it's funny how they protest against Blackfaced white people while in Africa tribes paint their face white, but that's a cultural thing and not the Blackface.
So get rid of all the painted faces, black, white, blue and clowns, the next thing they complain about is that white folks do their hair like Black people.
Someone that wants to claim racism will find something to do so, these are intolerant people and everything has to go their way.
Here in the US, they complain about racism every chance they get, being oppressed and their forefathers were slaves, there isn't one Black person alive that ever was a slave, and aren't we all slaves working for governments and being taxed on our wages and everything we buy or use like electric and gas.
And if you ask these people that use racist, oppression and slavery in what country they want to live, Africa or America, none of them will say Africa because they can't have the life in Africa that they have here.
Racism is invented to separate, and divide the population, and set them up against each other so the Elite can do things and distract everyone, getting the attention away from them
How was this in my recommended If it's unlisted
Why this is unlisted??
I don’t think it’s racist, but I do believe the tradition should be dropped or at least censored a bit. And not to mention I’m white and asian. I’m just speaking honest truth.
Bruh they do the same with Mexicans wearing a Sombrero, poncho and a big az mustache it aitn racist if people wanna be us then by all means they are welcomed to
Just do you know, you are in a part where not a lot of black people live.
You gotta know that speaking from our side : Europeans, we NEVER saw back Pete as a slave, we always saw them as the really nice people helping the old s. Nicolas as he gets older each year. He isn't really black we all see it as Pete climbing downwards through the chimney to give the presents while the old s. Nicolas waits on the roof on his horse or sometimes gets his key that opens all doors. His face gets all black bc of the soot in the chimney.
but still, some people don't want to understand our part of the story.
How did I just get recommended an unlisted video...
we need more documentary ! much love from France
I'm a black dutch girl and I've been living in the Netherlands for my entire life. I've never felt discriminated by Sinterklaas and Zwarte Piet, neither do my black friends and family. Its a dutch tradition based on the thought of giving gifts and having a nice time with friends and family. Black Pete is black because he climbs through the chimney to deliver the gifts, and it has always been this way. I'm asking you as a foreigner to please don't interfere in our traditions, we never asked for your opinion.
So u think black face is right
Why are you speaking on behalf of EVERY single Dutch black person? And it is all behind context. I personally find black face racist because I grew up in the US. You may think the opposite, and you are entitled to your opinion, but your opinion is wrong from my point of view. If it is okay where you live, sure, but using that narrative to disprove other people just doesn't make sense. Also, it is widely common around the world that black face is seen as racist, that being said, it makes sense why people dislike it so much.
@@juuleusog your opinion doesn't count.. If it was in the US, then yep.. This is a country that has NOTHING to do with you.. Just cause you're black, doesn't mean shit.. U don't get any special treatment.. Don't go trying to change traditions just cause 'You're offended'.. No one gives a damn.. Don't tell others how to feel.. The girl above gave u her opinion and she lives there.. You're gonna tell her how to feel from another country? The US nonetheless? Sort out all your BS there first, then start looking at other countries
@@Geromi87 Not only are your comprehensive skills piss poor, but you're also ignorant. I clearly stated multiple times how I understood that it was "common" in her country. My argument was that it seemed as though she used that narrative to downplay anybody that gets offended by black face. Clearly, you didn't fully read my comment. I won't re-explain it to you.
It's not from the chimey at all. It's blackface like the Amerikan minstrell shows. But, the other side is He was also black way before the church came with st Nicolas catholic version. Its way more pagan. Look at the traditions of Ameland, Terschelling etc. Thats far from the current story of black pete.
It's not racism It's just culture
If he goes through a chimney then but dirty spots on his face not just put blackface on him. We know what this really stems from, racist never want to admit their wrong.
OK then why are all american clowns white?
mr chubby i have no idea funny u ask because of the similarities with black face im sure i know where the idea of clowns came from
He's got a point seems even when blacks have the same rights it's not enough . It won't be enough until they have more rights than whites. They have to look for something to offend them so they can act like they are still being treated like the 1800s
Was the first clowns black? no! Were clowns used to mock an entire race? no. Stupid question...
Visit the oversea part of the kingdom of the Netherlands in the Antilles or Surinam. Sinterklaas and his zwarte pieten are welcomed in as well over there. Black people paint their faces pitch black and Sinterklaas is painted white. So how is a racist telling the Dutch not to paint their faces black if black people are doing it themselves? That sounds rather discriminating...
Of course the oppressor never understands the ones oppressed
but the oppressed totally don't understand the viewpoint of the "oppressor". If you'd get to know the country/culture/people you'd understand better.
Horatio well spoken 🙂
@Horatio KJV Bible how about making actual reasonable arguments instead of screaming that someone should go home, after they rightly call out racism after decades of oppression thanks to your ancestors?
@Horatio KJV Bible I don't care if you are black, white or purple in this case. Nor do I care about you being an Israelite, that is all irrelevant to this discussion. Do I very much doubt that you're black, because you're telling others to 'go home'? Yes, I do. But even if you are really black, it doesn't change my opinion on this topic. It simply means that despite the fact that everyone can see the similarities of this character and that it is a derogatory depiction of black slaves - who according to you, could be your ancestors - you're not willing to see what is wrong with the character black Pete for whatever reason.
Furthermore, the part that you spouted about 'going to the white man's' or the Asian man's land (China is a country, not an entire race or continent, Asian/Asia is) is just complete and utter nonsense. European nations have colonised countries all over the world during the last centuries, which eventually lead to people from said colonised countries to transfer to the country of their colonisers. Some people with non-European ethnical background were born in 'the white man's land', as you prefer to call it, and don't know anything other than living there. Telling colored people to leave the country that they were born in, simply because they face racism and other problems, is downright moronic. People of all colors should be able to live amongst each other without them belittling one another for their ethnical origins. If you don't understand that or support that, then that says enough about your close-minded way of thinking.
Horatio KJV Bible Black People can never be original Jews Ifiot.
Nice video
Just because you are black it doesn't mean you own that color. if i wanna paint my face black or any other color. I should be allowed to.
If you wanna have freckles and paint your hair reddish like mine. All probs to you my good sir. Don't be so sensitive.
please people believe us. this is our tradition we dont want to lose it🙏😕
I had to give this a thumbs-down even when I dislike The Black Pete character. The problem is not Black Pete, as the South American Dutch and Caribbean Dutch (in The Netherlands) play being Black Pete as well. The problem was/is that the character of Black Pete became a human being with a dark skin colour. The mythical elements were made more realistic: Pete goes through a chimney? Since when? Black Pete is older then the invention of chimneys, he is older then Jesus. Can you imagine Jesus wanting presents from Sinterklaas or The American version Santa Claus? No? Because Jesus and Black Pete are not real. They were not meant to be seen as real characters. The moral in the story is what was important. Did the light skinned Dutch listen to the other Dutch in the Kingdom? No, they did not. Now they do not know how to defend the hero they never knew. This is not a Dutch traditional, The Germans have Knecht Rupert. The Alps have Krampus, even the people in Iran know Black Pete as Hajji Firuz. Racism is real in The Netherlands but you can not judge if you don't get your facts straight.
Your are the ony here who thinks. To me it seems like when Jan Schenkman introduced black Pete he made the mistake to model Pete after the American minstrell shows that are intentionally racist. That part was and still is racist, but He also was black way before the church came with st Nicolas catholic version. You already said it, Its way more pagan & we van still see that with the traditions of Ameland, Terschelling etc. Thats far from the current story of black pete. So why mot go back to ancient ways in stead of roetveeg pete?
Netherlands:Black Pete
Brazil: hold my beber
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Black face lol big joke.. So a clown can wear white face and that's okay
well nobody has skin that is literally white, except albino people
Because it was written by an anti-Semite who also spoke bad of Jews. Racism was the standard in his time, so the origin also comes from ridiculing other colors or religions. Nowadays they think they have made their own fairy tale, but the interpretation is completely out of place. They think he looks that way because he goes through the chimney to deliver presents to the children. But really, it's a Moorish servant. Although not chained, in earlier versions Black Piet had a rather 'stupid accent' and punished the children who were naughty. Around 5 december real black people were followed by a crowd of noisy kids yelling ZWARTE PIET! And I think that's when things started.
The thing with black pete is that no dutch person cares about the history. We're just tryin' to have a good old time. Sinterklaas is equivalent to Christmas. So for a minority (most black ppl in the Netherlands are fine with it) to change such a big part of our culture isn't really gonna make it change. It's sadly changing. Our culture is fading.
Such a big part of our culture? You make it sound as if our culture stands or falls depending on whether or not the image of Zwarte Piet remains a blatantly racist caricature. Is that how low your opinion of our culture is? is that how little you think of it?
Our culture isn't fading. Knowledge of our culture is fading. Among the people who think its more important that they can still go out in blackface for a few days a year. _That's_ the sad part.
@@SharpWalkers Well, I don't know, but I don't think there is any culture left where I live. It's a dead city imo
You can still have a good old time without zwart piet. The whole Sinterklaas celebration is about being together as a family and giving/receiving gifts. Kids dont care if Piet is black, blue,purple or smudged. All they care about are the gifts. Also the Dutch culture isnt dying out, you're probably just now figuring out that your culture isnt that special to begin with.
Well put. Earn my subscription.
Well put? This is either sarcasm or stupidity. Explain to me in what world a one-sided documentary is well put?
@@amartje0108 Excuse me, but what do you mean "one sided". Documentaries are made to document someone's opinion and or journey of sorts. It cant really be one sided when the entire point of the documentary is to DISPROVE the other side.
@@juuleusog That's my point! They're trying to DISPROVE the other side with false information. If they were actually right they wouldn't make it so one-sided and rather get the other side's opinion and views and use it against them, but they don't do that. Why would they make it so biased when they know the 'the other side' is obviously wrong? Wouldn't it be a much better tactic to do what I just mentioned?
And in this case they are trying to explain why a certain event is wrong, in order to do that correctly you shouldn't just interview biased, opinionated people but also get the other side's story to form a correct and valid point.
I understand why you guys think this isn’t racist but it really is when you think about it
Black Pete became racist after Jan Schenkman modelled Pete after the American minstrell shows. That part was and still is racist ,but He also was black way before the church came with st Nicolas catholic version. Its way more pagan. Look at the traditions of Ameland, Terschelling etc. Thats far from the current story of black pete.
The thing is. It's only complained about, when it is going on. Rest of the year you hear nothing about it.... Don't ruin children's time, protesting at the parties for fuck sake.
I love black face for Christmas
Zwarte Piet= Black Peter= Black Padre= Black Father. It's an homage to the Sami's BLACK Father.... Luke, I AM your Father- Dark Vader.
dont know krumpert but odin had black ravens to spy on the people and tell odin
just like zwarte piet does for sinterklaas
Good video man, really gives a good look into how fucked up it is.... but it is very buyist.
It's really not a good look
You were the only black person because it is zaandam. After volendam the most white city there is
Black Pete came to my house this year. The kids really enjoy them and it has nothing to do with race. So you could take this stupid crap down
Racism not subjective it’s objective the evidence clearly says it’s racist.
Some people just want to play the victim: get over it! How can you confuse yourself with a caricature: that’s your problem not traditions!
Bro shut yo bitch ass up
It's your culture that created the caricature. The racist stereotype. Now you dance and parade as the stereotype. The worst part is the denial that it's not blackface. While your history and the clear visible proof depicts otherwise. People won't be a victim if you don't insult/taunt them. Simple as that.
It's all demonic
Amen
WELCOME TO THE NETHERLANDS
I'm against preventing the "Pete" like this, like, just make him pink/blue whatever you like. People should stop bullfighting and personally I think the east Europe tradition to slaughter animals for religious reasons on cruel ways should be stopped too, its not suitable for modern society anymore, so does 'black pete'. Now I do feel like you weren't willing to (as a good documentary, in my opinion would've done) show both sides of the story, and not ask some dumb ass bimbo to talk for the pro black Pete movement but someone with at least a little bit of brain. It's like that woman said, I know it's racist but ass long as they don't see it you got to go "slow".
This isn't a documentary if your not willing to actually pay attention to both sides and feel open you shouldn't make this stuff this is one sided and wrong
Niiels pretty sure both side were interviewed. Even people in black face. Don’t comment if you don’t know what you are talking about
@@AntoineSpeaks yeah but your not open to actually thinking about how it's a tradition just like Christmas it's got nothing to do with being black 1. It's because of the charcoal 2. All kids love Zwarte piet so how is it racism if it's positive? In my understanding racism is being negative towards a race/religion or anything
Germany wasnt even the worst, northeast Europe has done some absolutley more terrible acts
umm thats the netherlands...
@@snoopjunk6035 I know, I guess it is more north west but that's just not how I think of it
6.13 thats true but if your pro pete you're threatend too
Mijn hoofd wordt hier echt flink heet van
Echt heh
Americans questioning Dutch morality is the biggest joke... how about you fix your own home before coming here and questioning the traditions. It has nothing to do with racism. It's easy to give such a one-sided view of it. Interviewing people who can not express themselves properly on the pro-zwarte piet side. Going to a part of the country where it's predominantly white and saying "I don't see a lot kids like me". You would see them, if you went to a diverse city. You would see them, if you went to Curaçao where it's also celebrated. This just shows how ignorant the so-called documentary is. You can't possibly cover Zwarte Piet in 9 minutes.
You do realize the host of this video is not American don't you???
You do know there are Dutch black people as well?
I love Black Pete. I want to attend the event
Joe Rodriguez :/
You sound kinda racist buddy
@@isaiahagyemang1606 lmao
Excellent documentary
many thanks
You had some good points one thing to note is that christmas and Sinterklaas are two different holidays Sinterklaas being at the start of December.
Also criticism on black pete is not allowed because the dutch people don’t care about colored peoples emotions if it means they must slightly adjust their aged tradition.
(Dutch rightwing hate incoming in 3, 2, 1)
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Hol’up.
Point one: Santa Claus is Father Christmas and Sinterklaas combined.
Point two: Criticism on zwarte Piet is allowed and we care about other people, but we weren’t making a fuss about it. And sadly enough the tradition is changing because of a minority complaining about it and Americans saying it’s bad, but don’t see our side of the story.
Love black people :* im white all live
There´s no connection between Black Pete and Blackface. Black Pete is not modelled on a slave and is not even a caricature of an African. On bertvanzantwijk.wordpress.com/2016/10/29/zwarte-piet/ you can read an article (in Dutch) explaning the origin of Black Pete and the meaning of his black color. Don´t judge before you know what you´re talking about!
I just want to at something to what he is saying at 7;16 and how false that is. While yes racism is still a thing, saying he is not accepted as a black dutch is false... he might FEEL that way, but we have a lot of different cultures in the netherlands and while there is a group who will say: go back to your own country, in general in the Netherlands you are accepted!
also you show those who are against black pete being attacked. This is also the other way around.
this is something that I do feel like you need to show properly. If you make a documentary about something you cannot have 1 part of a story and leave it at that.
With that being said I am not against changing it if a lot of people feel bad with it, But I never had the feeling that "zwarte piet" had anything to do with color or racism at all. I just found it a great time
Ja!!! Zwarte piet!!
It's weird that you think it's weird to be the only black person there. You're in Holland. Not Africa. Not America. If I went to Africa I would probably scarcely see other white people.
But we dont have white face characters
@@fivegoalseason truly....en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiteface_(performance)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_South_Africa
@@fivegoalseason who is 'we'? Black people? Did you all have a meeting with each other and established that? WTF r u talking about? And don't put all white people on the same boat and paint them as racist, just cause you don't like a tradition.. Fkin ridiculous man.. It's one country that has this tradition and they explained it had nothing to do with race.. Initially it was a demon next ti St Nicholas.. And if you're offended, just don't watch it.. They ain't bothering you all the way in Holland
I think you´re confusing what Americans made Blackface out to be, with what it actually represents in the Netherlands.. I think for there to be any actual racism, there should be an intent. Exactly like the Pete speaking Dutch told you... And It´s the Sinterklaas feest, not Christmas. Do your fucking research.
Not many black people in the crowd? You are in Holland - a traditionally white country, wow, stunning
my my daghter is black my wife is black.. whole family black.... WE LIKE BLACK PETE!!!!!
just play a game FIND IT... search for diffrences between black pete and a real slave...!!! or black people..!!! the colour is black not brown whaha.. they wearing not the same close or earrings....
never see a slave with golden earrings also...
If you think this is weird enough we have a politician literally made a movie spreading hatred about Islam and anyone that believes in the religion. But hey, its freedom of speech right? HAHAHAHA :D WELCOME TO NL MY FRIEND WHERE THESE THINGS ARE NORMAL!
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Well they spread hate towards our beliefs and try cuts us up with machetes ....so yeah I guess it is kinda fair for him to spread some hate about them you know what they say you reap what you sow
@@fiacradoyle7474 there's only a little amount of muslims in the West who want to go out of their way to hurt you. Spreading hate, as Wilders loves to do, isn't going to solve the radical muslim problem, but make it worse. He and apparently you as well, don't really understand that fueling hate with more hate causes bigger issues. But, then again, reading your other comments... it doesn't surprise me that you can't think outside of your narrow-minded box.
@@JL-zv3mm a little amount fuck off you clown say that to the families of people massacred here in Britain and France that it's only few . Yea it's only a few that do it but the rest of them hide them in their communities and cover for and protect them . But whatever man I can see your an absolute do gooder that gives a fuck more about people that don't give a fuck about him than his own . Your way will definitely stop radicalism man....... Crying about and encouraging people to love people that hate them . It's well known for how it works 😂 pull your head out of your ass this is the real world holding hands doesn't work
@@JL-zv3mm funny how you call me close minded but it's quite clear you won't be swayed from your opinion so obviously your just as bad
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Racism*
Eu is sick, i dont get what a fiction story has to do with culter. thanks for making this film, i live in germoney, and i wasnt aware this was happening.
Love black pete ❤❤❤
I am from holland and i can t assure you dont know what u talkin
This was amazing. I really felt for the woman speaking at the end.
Thank you. I am trying to me a new doc with her in. Follow me on instagram and Twitter for more of my work instagram.com/antoinespeaker
Wow, great video
I cannot believe this doesn't have thousands of views.
Oh yes, the whole it's not racist because it's a part of my racist culture bit
Where are you from?
sinterklaas has nothing to do with christmas -1 for your bad arguments.
i grew up with zwarte piet never thought they were black cus of theyr skin, untill ppl started too make it an issue. i 'as moste or all children' think they were black cus they crawling true the chimney to get the presents too the ppl.
Wow that's some powerful stuff man. Got goosebumps and everything man
This is so sad, i mean black people are so cool looking and have different personalities which makes them cool
Bruh
Well, you went into a predominantly white place, during a tradition that you find racist, amd then claimed that 'You feel uncomfortable'.. Who forced you to go there? Your feelings don't matter in this instance.. And no, not because you're black.. Cause if a white guy went to a blsck populated country and did the same crap, I'd be saying the same thing.. No one cares about your feelings.. Don't just go to a country and expect them to change their culture and traditions cause YOU feel uncomfortable.. How does this even impact you?
That festival is objectively racist by definition. Yes he said he felt uncomfortable, but whether he did or not is irrelevant. It's not about feelings. The act of dressing up as another racial group in a mocking manner is by definition racist. But the Netherlands are more than welcome to continue their tradition if they must, after all as you said it's their country.
However, in this day and age with such traditions they'll just be seen as a very, well backwards country with a lot of strange, kooky people. It's totally fine if they can't get with the times, we just have to be understanding, maybe they aren't mentally equipped....
So let's do a documentary about white faces in Africa done by many tribes, or is that a cultural thing but not the blackface for a children's fest?
I don't think those are anywhere similar. I searched it up & its legit just white spots/face paint. This is a "servent" of santa that's a walking rasict characiture of black people. Kept alive through culture. How could u be so dense?
@@user-ooop they have all white face paint, every culture has face painting, from natives to Scottish highlands, but I get it, it's only racist when it are white folks doing it, that Kool-Aid must be easy to swallow
@@ivanjacobs9883 No, as in they aren't trying to look like any other race and still look black, not like some white caricature. I don't know get why you guys want to be minorities so bad.
Also the fact you mentioned f×cking kol-aid and deleted your comment. The rasicm and delusion is truly a wonder
@@user-ooop I did not delete my comment, and what country are you from?
You might be a the only black person there but you got the “Black Faces” to keep you company .
hahahahahhahaha
That wasn’t funny
the pete's are black coloured because of going thru the chimney. It is not that black people are working for 1 white guy but just people that are black because of going thru the chimney. I live in the Netherlands and i am 16 years old. The tradition wasn't any problem like 5 years ago but why now?
Back in the days when i was in primary school everyone was excited for black pete and sinterklaas. No protest needed for this nice tradition.
Hoezo krijgen ze dan ook meteen grote rode lippen, gouden oorbellen en kroeshaar?
+Sjors: Maybe it's also a Dutch tradition to leave an Afro in the chimney for Pete.
Dus als ik door de schoorsteen ga krijg ik zogenaamd afro en dikke lippen rot op man haha
Derek Mullings wtf
This dude... you are only showing the "bad" sides. I dont know maybe because you are black? Not to be a racist or something but i mean you aren't Dutch and you don't know all the things about our culture so please dont show this again
There was plenty of dutch people in the documentary, maybe listen to them...
Don't watch it then
Antoine Speaks. They did not grow up with dutch culture.
i am black and i don't think that it is racist. if you don't like it then don't go there. If there is no big problem then what is wrong??
You are not black.
They arent doing it to be racist. Its engrained into their culture. It shouldnt be seen as racist, as this situation is very much like the swastika. Its all about context and how the object is being used.
It is what it is racist as fuk
@@israelisrealallpraisestoth8129 Can you tell me how they are offending you? Are they mocking you for being black? They obviously arent.
Ur probably a white folk"
Just because it's tradition doesn't mean it's not harmful or hurtful
Oh c'mon thats so stupid it's just a character and people making a problem of it...
@AlphaSL3gend What is the big deal if characters skin color is black? Do I seem like a racist? I do not mind if some bad character in movie would be same race as I. You SJW's making shit up!
Patsuli your not racist he just wants to seem interesting throwing bullshit claims around with childish logic
Max Kemna no tf he isn’t , do you even know the full story behind blackface ? He was CREATED to make fun of and mock black people , and people wanna brush it off like “Oh ItS jUsT a ChArAcTeR” no it’s not , it’s insulting and rude to blacks who actually know their history and the story of “black face” . It’s even in the name BLACK FACE I can 100% understand anyone offended by blackface .
Max Kemna like imagine a black person , painting themselves white ( with Extreme over the top lips) and calling themselves white face , especially if whites were ever slaves and it was created at the time
Max Kemna and imagine them wearing a straight , blonde wig ! And accessories that whites typically wear ! This would be in the media everywhere !
jus let them enjoy their culture they aint hurting no one
@Effervescent he's obviously not going to understand what you said, because he doesn't understand Dutch.
It is quite clear, to a lot of people in the Netherlands, that the character black Pete and its traits are hinting towards an old derogatory depiction of black slaves. If there are Dutch people who are simply not willing to hear the negative side of the character because they only want to associate it with a happy festive activity, then the people who do see it have every right of protesting to let their voices be heard.
Furthermore, it's quite sad to be talking about 'them lefties' like that, simply because you think they are always complaining for no reason, when in reality, you could try and understand what the problem is behind this black Pete character.
black pete isnt racist change your title
Im Not racist but its tradition in my country
No support it ur racist shit too"
@@obed_artz5418 you're a dumbass
Just because it's tradition doesn't mean that it can't be harmful
people will always find something to complain about legit XD
Prod.absolut I’m white american
@Prod.absolutgo cry about it
@Prod.absolut you probably didnt even grew up with black pete so shut up man
Black Pete is black from the charcoal and although racism exists I don't think celebrating a tradition that's been around for many years that was never racist until now because someone found it offensive before they they even knew what it was is racist.
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Black Peter forever!!!
Boring..those people are always offended and will never stop when you give in....zwarte piet is a hero in the Netherlands.