I really don't understand why you would take my statement as a negative against Taylor. Taylor is a girl's girl and I love her for that! I wish i had a friend who would have my back the same way when times are tough. While Sophie is a star in her own right, there is still a huge gap in power dynamics between her and JJ. I love how Taylor stepped in support her emotionally, financially (letting her and the kids use one of her NY apartments) and showed public unity which helped create a much more equal playing field for Sophie in the media. I'm team Taylor (and Sophie) all the way! @@TaffySwift06
It's pretty suspicious that she left, he files for divorce without her knowing and now joe doesn't want to give their kids' passport. Looks like it was all planned he never wanted to live in the UK. After they sold the Miami house he must have been like oh shit this is real and this plan was made. Let's see how this ends but I feel sad for the kids 😕
Based on her Instagram post date about her announcement of mutually ending her married and the first TMZ article about their divorce it is literally on the same day. She obviously knew and agreed they are going to divorce because she posted it on Instagram she and Joe are mutually and amicably ending their marriage. That was a day after the divorce was filed. Sounds like they were having trouble for 6 months. They barely moved to the UK. They stayed less than 3 months and the kids and Joe flown back to the US while Sophie flown to Spain for filming majority of the time. Plus they sold their house on August months after the kids returned to the US and filed. Most people don't know Joe has multiple US properties and homes in the US. Also they don't have any permanent address yet in the UK. The property Sophie said they purchased is under contingency and wouldn't be finalize until December if any of the party back down the property won't be theirs. Plus Sophie and Joe both was given a court order to not relocate the children out of the country while in the process of a divorce. Meaning either one of them could go to jail if they attempted to take the kids out of the country. Also Sophie doesn't understand UK child welfare laws about how she isn't legally allow to have there kids to live with her in the UK without Joe, or if she doesn't have sole custody over the children or she doesn't have a custody agreement with her ex-husband. She will be charged with international kidnapping in the UK if she attempt to force her kids to live with her in the UK. She and Joe need to finalize their divorce and come up with a custody agreement that allows her to live take her kids back with her to the UK. Based on Joe's team they are willing to have the kids live in both US and UK with shared custody. Also Sophie is suing Joe through Hague Convention which she doesn't seem to have much of a case because she needs proof the kids are habitually residents in the UK and US was just a place they are wrongfully contained. The kids was born in the US and has been in the US for majority of their lives plus having multiple residential homes there. Also Hague doesn't deal with custody agreements. They usually deals with international wrongfully adoption cases. They still need their divorce lawyers to handle their custody battles.
If Joe really wants to do Sophie dirty he would had indirectly handed Sophie the kids their passports and let her attempt to get the kids out of the country breaking court order that was given them to not relocate the kids out of the country while in a divorce process and she would be charged with international kidnapping in both US and UK. Giving Joe automatic full custody.
I don't think so. My family member is also going through a divorce and she refers to her son as her son. And she loves her son and always puts him above anyone else even herself.
@jenc.626 I'm not taking side here nor I know who is in the wrong in their divorce, HOWEVER what you said is too much of a reach, tbh. Pasrents who are divorcing or no longer together (especially if the separation is not at all amicable) often use "his" or "her" when referring to their children instead of "our kids/our children". It's not about seeing the children as their property, but it's more about drawing a clear line to separate themselves with the other parent and have as little to do with the other person as possible.
@heronumber009 you can't do what you stated. No matter how are when you separated the children will forever be tied to the two parents. No matter how bad you dislike someone, yall will forever be linked to the children. You can say mine they are forever both parents.
@@tracyparker550 Which is true. HOWEVER, here we are dealing with feeling. Divorce/seperation is often messy and emotionally draining, we can discuss whatever make sense in theory, but for the people who are in the heat of it, often it doesn't mean anything. Btw, I myself, am not married, nor I have children. But that how I often see that's how people are, even with my own parents (I'm was a kid of divorced parents).
Jonas brothers' image is entirely focused around family. He wants the kids to continue and expand the family image after the concert or eventually at least. He wants a divorce but that goes against the whole "family is everything" image. So he puts the blame on the wife and the reason he gets a divorce is BECAUSE of his family (he wants to "protect the kids from an egotistical and neglectful wife"). This way he thinks he manipulates us and we say "ooohh, even though family is everything to him he got a divorce to protect the kids from this bitch. Such a brave man. God bless you and your family values". He didn't expect a fight.
Joe has been messy from day one saying stuff then going back on it. He used the children to create drama, if you love your children you don't disparage your spouse publicly. It was a marriage that did not work out, they both probably said a did things that were hurtful or not morally good, so no point in judging whose fault it was but Joe has been on the offense is the best form of defense agenda from day zero and that just screams guilty.
If my husband refused to return the kids as planned and and blindsided me with divorce then tried to smear me in the media, I would do ANYTHING to get them back, including implying abduction.
Sofie immediately hired aggressive & expensive AF lawyers if she's going to start sitting the hague convention Joe can't compete at that level so is trying to calm the situation down.
It would appear to be the case. Although, I am curious, as to why he was consulting with lawyers in LA, but wants the process to be done in Florida. As I understand it, sometimes, due to state laws, the lawyer had to retake parts of the bar, to be able to carry representing the client.
Based on Hague Convention they don't deal with custody battles. They usually deal with wrongful international adoption and they will assess what is the best interest for the kids. Sometimes they actually will have the kids live with people that aren't their biological parents because it's the better choice. And they usually pick what they consider the kids habitual residency. Sophie and Joe still need their divorce lawyers to handle their custody case. Also Sophie doesn't have much of a case for Hague to apply. She claimed the family made UK their permanent home but they don't even have a permanent address yet. The kids lived in the UK for less than 3 months before Joe and the kids went back to the US while Sophie flown to Spain for filming majority of the time. Also Joe has multiple properties and residential homes in the US. The kids were born in the US and has records of living in the US for major of their lives. They even stayed in the US after they left the UK longer than being in the UK. Also the kids has records of doctors, childcare services and any services they took long term. Also friends and families. Sophie said they bought a countryside property in the UK but it's still under contingency until December. Meaning if anyone back out they don't own the home. The children have lived in that property so they can't claim it as their home. Plus based in UK child welfare laws Sophie isn't technically allowed to have her kids live in the UK if she doesn't have sole custody. She either has to have Joe live in the UK or she has to have Joe consent through custody agreements after the divorce. So she will needs to wait for their divorce to be finalized. Also she is only suing Joe for wrongful abduction of the kids after she and Joe was given a court order to not relocate the kids out of the country while in the process of a divorce. Meaning she needs to settle her divorce and custody agreement before she is even legally allowed to take the kids out of the country. She will be breaking international laws if she tries to take the kids to live with her in the UK.
@@CrimsonEclipse Thank you for that comprehensive explanation. I am in the UK myself and used to know some of family/ child protection law, as i worked in the health sector, but it was a long long time ago. So would you happen to know where the lawyers for Sophie are from? I had assumed that because of the document citing the Hague Convention, (being the Numpty Norma I am), that her attorneys would have known that it would not be applicable, or do you think it was more of a scare tactic, or desperation that they stuck that in there? Another, (probably stupid or irrelevant), question then is are Sophie's lawyers from New York where she's staying at the moment, or from Florida, (where Joe originally filed for divorce), or even being from the UK- as part of an international law company? I am only asking because if she does have to get Joe to agree, to let the children go to England to live, then for her that would be the better option, and as much as I don't like the manner that Joe, (or his team that he disavowed any comments made from), I can understand why he would want the children to remain in the US. So the only other option I can see right now, is if he gave Sophie full custody, or the courts would have to give her full custody. I don't know how true this is, but I do remember hearing a long time ago, that filing for divorce and child custody in New York, is usually resolved in the mother's favour. I assume that you are a practising lawyer or studied some part of it.I won't pretend to understand every detail, but I am genuinely grateful for your time, energy and effort used, to very kindly help me understand a little bit better what next steps or options are left. I do feel uneasy about the effects on the children this may have. Especially having such famous parents, whom each party only has single citizenship in the country they were born in, as I don't know if Sophie had requested citizenship when they married.Thank you again for the information and I hope you have a great day/ week/ year...or just the future in general. 🤗
@@npats550 I believe she hired a NYC lawyer to handle the case. Not sure if she even talked to a UK lawyer yet. Even if they are going through federal court in NYC they still have to deal with the divorce court in Florida as well where it was filed. So this is all over the place. Also many lawyers believe this lawsuit against Joe could be a scared tactic. Plus she seems to mostly just want to speed up the process of getting her kids out of the country because divorce court tend to take longer. Based on Joe's team they thought they had a mutual understanding with Sophie about shared custody and he said he doesn't have a problem with the kids living in the UK and the US. But 24 hrs later Sophie filed the lawsuit against him. I'm assuming she didn't agreed to the shared custody agreement they talked about. I wouldn't be surprised she wants full custody. Also sounds like they came to an agreement to stay in NY until the case is settled and Sophie has the kids currently.
@@CrimsonEclipse Again, thanks for replying. I thought that the co parenting issue and Joe not minding them being bought up in both the US and UK, was after she filed for some reason. Brain fog I guess on my part! It really is all over the place- literally and figuratively. Are you part of the lawtube, crowd? Just because I try to learn about different things, especially when it comes to law/ crime, medical and social or family care, and psychology amongst others. If you do produce videos, I would probably check it out. Thanks again and I hope you don't mind, if I end up posting another question here. You are more than welcome to not reply, but I am genuinely grateful for the info you have given me. Hope you have a great day. 👋
no one knows how to play the media like the jonas bros theres even an interview w/james corden where he asked them multiple questions and each time they answered quickly, witty and made themselves look better and kind and even respectful and humble with each answer it was quite impressive so i understand why joe thought he could get away with doing this cause hes been getting away with it all his life
(Likely) Sophie on the ring camera was talking to a friend/fam member on phone discussing Joe fight & saying he’s trying to backtrack now but she won’t raise her daughters in America
@@whooptydoo5940based on their history she was struggling with a lot of mental health issues and problems and alcohol abuse and deem Joe the one who helped her through this and saved her life. She said Joe actually dumped her before they got married telling her she needs to love herself before he could marry her. I guess they ended up getting married and still have problems.
Those who had to deal with narcissists see what's going on here. There are not both sides. One is seeking to destroy the other for whatever sick reason.
Taylor's grudge game is seriously something else, and she's using their divorce to settle old scores? She's like a grown ass adult with a middle schooler's mindset 😂
She may be friends with Sophia like a big sister. Women need women that are in their corner. She is a nice person in a bad situation. You are a troll. Devil 👿 😂😂
The PR hit job that the Jonas camp tried to do is so reminiscent to me of the hit-job that Phil McIntyre did on Demi Lovato when she relapsed and fired him. A total “throwing under the bus”, dirty secrets revealed, demoralization of someone. Really disgusting.
I agree. They used her to promote their individual projects and in her hour of need where tf were they? Especially Nick, as they signed a contract with Phil M, to start a small record company. I hope it didn't get to the stage where she actually officially handed over any money.
Team Sophie!! He's so much older, and definitely playing dirty.. And I believe HER, hell, she was working... long hours on set, and he tried to twist the narrative just to make his younger bride look bad... shame on him TEAM SOPHIE ❤
Trying our best ❤️ hopefully we can expand our team moving forward but for now it’s just 2 of us producing, editing, and recording so it’s a little hard as the channel grows and as Hollywood gets more messy 😅
Poor Willa and Delephine, Taylor probably trying to get involved as much as possible to know what her next song will be, remember that she doesn’t have anything deeper in her life than her exes/ boyfriends, other people’s love lives and basically anyone that was or is in her life to write her songs about, before you swifties think of bashing on me, remember that telling the truth and hating are two different things🤷🏻♀️
The way this divorce was so abrupt. And the way Sophie is selecting her words very carefully. Makes me think, she's hiding something huge and important that will surface with time. I have a feeling a huge bomb will explode about she and Joe any time now.
I think this is exactly why he kept all his tips to TMZ so vague. He wants us to speculate. He wants us to think of the worst possible scenarios when their issue could've been minor
@@merykhan97 Note how I didn't say Sophie is hiding something she did. My comment is mostly that it could be anything about something Joe might have done (cheating, battering, emotional damage...) or yes, something she did (stopped loving him and told him, cheating...) I feel like they both are trying to cover up for something huge and n@sty that will surface one day / with time.
I really wish Sophie waited on having kids with him since this was always a risk. I hope Zendaya is taking notes. Neverrrrrr move and start a family in another country for a man!
They were friends way before this. Why can't Taylor incourage, and support a friend like everyone else? Who better to give you support, since she deals with negative from the press a lot
or maybe taylor was friends with sophie after her breakup w joe and when joe and sophie werent together? she cant js turn her back when her friend is going thru a divorce
Damn three uploads in three days 😁. I'm glad that she is suing him. He thinks that by doing this he is only hurting her. I'm thinking that he is the party boy and Sophie caught him going outside the marriage. He might of thought I'll file before she does. So that way he looks like the good guy and to top it off he put out a smear campaign.
I don't blame her for getting paps to take pics of her with her kids. She's just trying to undo the damage he did. Poor girl. That guy had narcissist written on his forehead.
Taylor Swift is a brilliant businesswoman and singer, but every personal relationship she was ever in, except for her own parents and brother, ended up in flames. This is not the person you look to for advice if you are a mature adult looking to divorce in a way that is best for your children. Disappointed in Sophie.
Highly doubt Sophie went to Taylor for Advice?! Taylor never experienced what Sophie is going through rn so she has nothing to offer really. Going out together was a clear statement that she's supporting Sophie and that's a big deal for the general public. The same general public Joe was trying to convince that Sophie is a bad mother (potentially ab*sive even)
@@coffeemug3009 That makes like zero sense, all the men Taylor dated were jerks and she’s always the one who’s right? Oh so you’re that type of a fan, blaming everyone else but your Idol, pathetic
from what i read, they relocated from the USA to the UK this year, this isn't what you can call a permanent residence if there "permanence" is only a few months, and when it comes to residence, they have no permanent residence, even their house in the UK is rented. Sophie is citing British Law, only these children, may have duel citizenship, but they are American, and born in America and according to an article i read, for years they have been globe trotting with their parents from rental to hotels and never have stayed in a place long enough to put down roots. Sophie may claim, that the UK is their home, but that's for the courts to decide if a few months there, can be called that. and another issue is, is that Sophie and i think she's a great actress, by the way. but you don't have an argument, then file for divorce, unless it was a hell of an argument, that's been building for some time. let's face it, this issue is a mess, and going to turn toxic quickly, unless they both calm down and try to see this logically because these children are 3 and 1. They are babies, who deserve better than be thrown into this drama because from what I'm seeing, this "he said, she said" in the media, asking everyone to "pick a side" isn't healthy. but to be honest, their reaction, to the statements, threats, "abduction" claims and everything else. this is shaping up to be a terrible custody battle, with parents at loggerheads, which means no one wins in the end.
She also has just as much right to have her children in England. As he has to have them in the US. His and his lawyers have had this planned a while. By filling first in the state of Florida. He know he that the courts wouldn't let the children leave the US. until a court hearing and then it can take years. Hang in there Sophia, praying for yall 🙏
@@tracyparker550 that's it in a nutshell, and Jonus, by putting it out there first, can easily spin, that he was scared of parental alienation, he held on to the passports because he didn't want to lose his children. even Sophie said she wanted her children in the UK because it's safer and can potentially be used against her by the media. both sides can argue the same thing, but this situation is so damaging to everyone involved. i have no idea what went on in their marriage, but the last thing everyone wants is to lose sight of the most important thing, and that's those children
Unless infidelity or abuse occurs I think most young couples who are married need to put in more effort to keep their marriage together and work things out especially if kids are involved. Don’t let your kids have a broken family. And at least if you really are checking out and don’t want to work things out please for the sake of the children try to make it as amicable and non messy as possible. And be respectful of your ex spouse in public because public feuding and badmouthing will only hurt your kids in the long run especially if you’re famous. You really want your kids to grow up hearing the horrible stuff you said or your PR team said about their mother Joe? The same goes for you Sophie! Don’t weaponize the kids against each other! Things are now getting ugly and if you really don’t want to work things out or try too… calm down and think logically before you turn this into an incredibly messy custody battle and divorce that will only hurt yourselves and the kids in the long run. When you’re divorcing like this with kids everything you do you have to consider them first and their best interest.
I've read many blind items about the relationship of Sophie and Joe and many says that Joe was cheating on her since day one. Also, there was another blind item which it said that Joe hurt her and the cast og GoT witnessed all that. Like I said i've been reading too much blind items of them on tiktok, there was a girl who did this amazing deep dive on the relationship but probably some of those blind items are true.
A few days ago, I read a comment on a different video that said that they divorced because Joe heard Sophie on the ring cam saying that Camp Rock is a dumb movie😂 that’s funny, I know the Jonas brothers appreciate Camp Rock but not to the point that it’s gonna be the last straw in their decision of ending their marriage😂
Team Sophie all they way . Joe lost all my respect the day he came for the MOTHER OF HIS CHILDREN simply because he wanted to stay in the US. How petty and immature. The fact that we don't know what he allegedly saw on camera tells me it was something very trivial but he worded it that way so we would assume the worst. Also later he can retract and be like (we'll she was smoking and we agreed to not smoke at home, deal breaker for me) that way he can protect himself while starting drama and putting Sophie in a very vulnerable position because now everyone is assuming the worst possible scenario. I think he tried to play the media game the same way he has been doing for a couple decades thinking that's still effective and that he still has the same fame and influence as he used to have in the past. While that's obviously no longer true, he also messed with one of the most famous actresses right now. She also has a pristine reputation and being with her is the only reason he's relevant rn. I don't know what that family dinner is about but i really hope Sophie doesn't back down. He needs to learn a lesson and she needs to keep her kids safe.
I don't think the ring camera was blackmail just cause he doesn't wanna reveal it. What if she said something not only hurtful but embarrassing. Like from their intimate life as one example. Of course he wouldn't want the world to know
Joe Jonas married above his paygrade. I saw through the smear campaign as soon as it began. I have learned a thing or two from watching & listening to your channel. A mother always has the upper hand & Joe is afraid that he is going to lose his kids once they are in England. Sad situation for all of them.
If his only concern is the well being of the children- he would not bash their mother publicly. You’re already creating problems for them after they grow up. Also they’re soo young they need their mother more
Taylor swift.. Hmmm... One day this fe.ale will slip and she will be revealed to all those who don't see her realistically. Joe is her ex and she awoops in now ocnveneiently 1hat isn't coincidence..
Can you do Selena Gomez she was holding hands with a mystery men going to a event with victory Beckham son and his wife and can you do Taylor swift and Kelsey I don’t really see them lasting at all but there was rumors that Taylor help clean up his luxury box and also help pay for everyone meals at the game . And she sit and cheers on him right next to his mother just saying
He seems to be quite sly and vindictive. She is lucky to have strong friends in her corner. Hope they will stop fighting amd start negotiating instead.
I mean, in fairness, Taylor works like 3x a week for like 3-5 hours doing her concerts and then takes days off in between lol but yes, she's definitely jumping on Sophie because it's fun for her and because she definitely sides with her, especially if they have a common ex.
Freaking ridiculous. They’re American children, born in America, this is the only home they have ever known. Not a fan of Jonas and I disapproved of his publicity stunt with the kids, but trying to drag them off to England make their own father a part time feature in their lives? Sophie is as bad as he is. These two both need a counselor sit them down and read them the riot act about how to put their kids first and not use them as pawns to hurt each other.
Team Sophie, she is playing on the legal side and on the media side, I hope she comes out on top and get everything she wants because what he did was unforgivable...
Sophie cheated..end of story. It's been now proven months after this video has been posted so there should be some update video on this saga considering how much she's smeared Joe's name already.
Oh yes, I saw the last video you did...you gave me a sweet reply. I am still more inclined to believe Sophie, just because of the way he went about publicly smeared her, but she remained silent and even now, she's filed legal documents, rather than exploiting the kids by what appears to be a planned paparazzi photo op. @5.43, YES. Completely agree with you. @8.01, there's part of his statement that didn't sit easy with me. He says he doesn't mind bringing up the children in the US AND UK, but also ends on "They are American citizens". I thought they had dual citizenship? If so, why would he feel the need to end on that note? And retracting on what has been said, (by his team I guess), by saying he didn't approve of any messages disparaging her? Even if that was the case, why use the photos from him taking the kids out to eat, when they have been so private about it so far? That's an action or behaviour not a statement. So it's still giving me underhand vibes. I don't invest much in celebrity relationships but when it reaches the court stage, the paperwork becomes public right? I don't live in the States, but I was following the Depp vs Heard case, and I heard it one of the lawtube channels -although I may have misunderstood. @ 9.37- that was savage...but amusing considering his public antics. Regarding the Taylor Swift dinners- yep, I admit I had a little chuckle at the lyric, "picture me thick as thieves with your ex wife". I know that they have been friendly for the past few years, but I don't actually think that going out and being pictured TOO OFTEN with Taylor, or any other celebs, is going to be advantageous, as the media or Joe's team could use it as a "see, she's out all the time, not with the kids", situation. At the end of the day, it's the children I think who are most likely to suffer. In any divorce, but especially having celeb parents. Which is why, I hope they do find a private solution. Not because of Joe's behaviour, or Sophie who I think did the right thing by staying silent...until this surprise court filing, but for the sake of the children. As a little segue though, I have been wondering...are you planning any videos to do with Britney- with the divorce, the book, but mostly because of the way social media, (I heard), were sending awful messages to her eldest son on his 18th birthday last week. I felt really bad for him and that's why I'm concerned about this situation too. Children, shouldn't have to be subjected to the consequences of their parents issues. Unless of course for safety reasons. Also wondering how the Nick and Priyanka situation applies, regarding their child. Not that I am wishing any bad luck to them, but as I have my ex health worker hat on, and the girl being premature, I hope that she is OK. Not asking for a video, but if I trust in any online information it's usually this channel and maybe 1 or 2 others. As usual, I did indeed like the format and content here. You raise some interesting points for sure. Thank you again for just breaking it all down in an easy to understand manner.
Seems like he's started walking back the misogynistic trash-talk real fast since she stepped up and laid out the facts. That's fine. As long as he cuts out the BS, and keeps it like that, and stops acting like a stupid b*tch, maybe he'll come out of this unscathed, maybe even with a balanced custody and divorce settlement. But if he steps out of line again, seems like Sophie will be able to show his bad faith actions, and get him locked out -- pretty easily. Good for Sophie. Goes to show if you're not a lying liar, the best way to safeguard against small minded people with control issues is to stick to the facts, and keep it simple.
A father kidnaps his kids(dont argue, fathers can kidnap their own kids) and refuses to return them to mother ....gets away with it because hes famous 🙄
I'm the kids' team, they are the ones who are going to suffer the consequences if their parents don't put their differences aside and try to have a healthy relationship for the sake of their kids.
OMG this is playing out like Sansa and King Joffrey in GOT. Young innocent Sansa falls for boy-king Joffrey despite creep-vibe, she endures a bad marriage…then…well…it ends badly…for him due to intervention/help by 3rd person who’s familiar with him. 😂
Joe Jonas is an entitled brat who blames all of his mess ups on other people. Joe does not need the kid's,he's not mature enough to raise kid's because of his desire to party instead of being a husband and a dad. Sophie should get the kid's because she is way more mature than Joe and will take better care of the kid's and will put her kid's needs before her own which is why I think she should be granted full custody.
am i the only one who finds it so disrespectful that this story is showing us how a family has been ripped apart and there are KIDS involved and this tea channel is fr making it out to be some everyday gossip kind of thing that goes around in high school. this is a family we're talking about.
Girlie the info is already in the media. I’m not making it out to be some everyday gossip. It was actually team Jonas who started leaking the news and even playing the gossip tea bait of “she was CAUGHT on the ring camera GASP!!!” Like the entire media industry is talking about it because both Joe & Sophie are talking to the media hence why we got their reps speaking on their behalf. So the issue has never and will never be my channel more than it is the celebrities who cry about privacy being the same ones playing media telephone
I mean just look at his face lol. I dated a guy like that. All of a sudden I see videos of her on social media partying, with captions about her partying. Everyone in the comments saying she needs to go home and take care of her kids (tho who knows when the videos were taken). Clearly a campaign going on.
I know a man who managed to do this to the mother of his son. She was a French citizen and we’re in the U.K. and the court sided with him and gave him full custody. This is a regular couple so I wonder how it will go for Sophie who is wealthy and famous. I hope she gets her kids back. 😢
Taking the passports and refusing to let them go home is what then? Fathers and mothers abduct their children legally all the time that is why there are laws about it. Joe took the children to the US under false pretenses that he would allow them to go home then blindsided her with filing for the divorce and refusing to hand over the passports. How would you feel if you let you spouse take your kids to a foreign country and then he filed for divorce and refused to let you take your kids home.
@@SavvyGirl751 abduction is a definition of a criminal offence. As long as there's no restriction order, any parent can have the children without the need to consult or consent the other, because the situations are always different and difficult.
Here’s a controversial take- America seems like a “mother is best” place. Not every mother is the better parent. If Sophie is leaving her kids to go film for months at a time….that is heartbreaking. Her children are SO little. They don’t understand why their mom is never around. Joe on the other hand is taking care of the kids while he is still working. Sophie could have done the same and had the kids in England if she wanted but she literally said peace out to her own babies and left them with Joe for MONTHS. That is WILD - I don’t care if her job is being an actress. You can figure out a way to see your kids every night. She was perfectly ok leaving her kids for months with Joe and now she’s crying in the media Joe won’t give them back when in reality he never took them away from her. She willingly gave them away. When she cried wolf in the media, Joe had already returned them to her when she visited NY. Sophie must have done something very bad on the ring camera to have Joe file for divorce and questioning everything. The truth will all come out in court but so far Joe who is a working Dad is taking care of the kids every day. Maybe Joe is the better parent. Sophie left them for months. If Sophie really cared she would have figured that out. Sometimes Fathers make the better parent….however, children need BOTH parents.
Just an FYI, Sophie was traveling back and forth for a while and only left the kids for a couple of weeks. She also has documents stating that the kids were supposed to join her in the UK the first week of September. I understand that 3 and 1 are kids too young to be left alone by either of their parents but these people can afford around the clock childcare. And the Nanny was the one staying with the girls (Joe went clubbing two weeks before the divorce) Also, Joe is their FATHER. It's his job to take care of them too . And his tour is as important as her filming is. I don't hear anyone calling him a neglectful father for going on tour. He's also acting as if he's babysitting for a friend.
@@merykhan97 as a mother myself I truly find it so odd how Hollywood actors and actresses will just straight up leave their kids for weeks. The baby is 1! I know it’s her job but like I said hire a nanny in England and keep them there with you. Like you said, they can afford it. She just didn’t seem to care that much and left them with Joe. Joe performs at night so obviously the Nannie’s watch them at night but day time he’s with them. He probably thought after they had kids she would take a break and help raise them. No partner should do it alone. A 1 year old is exhausting plus a 3 year old. Also, They probably really miss their mom. No dad can replace a mother. This is obviously something they should have discussed before having kids instead of having them and getting mad at each other for “who is suppose to take care of the kids” She probably thought he would put his career on hold and watch them and he probably thought she would put hers on hold and watch them. It truly makes me sad for both parties and kids.
@@merykhan97 and no one is calling him a neglectful father because he technically “works at night” but is raising them during the day (we think) Sophie isn’t raising them at all during filming which I find very strange since they are so so little. I feel like Hollywood acts like kids are just accessories and don’t realize hey one of the two of you has to actually spend time with the children and raise them instead of Nannie’s. Also, she cried Joe wouldn’t give the kids back, then instead of spending time with her babies she is seen going out with Taylor swift and getting papped with her. That seems very petty.
@@kmoneyyyy1994Can't stand either of them, but really hope that the judge gives Joe full custody. You know who's a fucking hypocrite 'cause if she actually gave a shit about the kids, then she wouldn't have abandoned them for the past three months. How is it "kidnapping" when Joe's the father? 🙄🤦 She cries wolf, but then the paparazzi catches her hanging out with Taylor's psycho ass? Both of them are petty as fuck since Joe's the common denominator.
Team Sophie all the way. Joe's behavior is disgusting and since he started playing dirty from the get-go I hope she shows no mercy and takes him for everything she can get.
"Anyone who sides with Taylor Swift has the upper hand"... No truer words have ever been spoken. 😂🤣
Wrong.
The divorce is about Joe and Sophie and their kids not about Taylor Swift stop with all this drama
I really don't understand why you would take my statement as a negative against Taylor. Taylor is a girl's girl and I love her for that! I wish i had a friend who would have my back the same way when times are tough. While Sophie is a star in her own right, there is still a huge gap in power dynamics between her and JJ. I love how Taylor stepped in support her emotionally, financially (letting her and the kids use one of her NY apartments) and showed public unity which helped create a much more equal playing field for Sophie in the media. I'm team Taylor (and Sophie) all the way! @@TaffySwift06
It's pretty suspicious that she left, he files for divorce without her knowing and now joe doesn't want to give their kids' passport. Looks like it was all planned he never wanted to live in the UK. After they sold the Miami house he must have been like oh shit this is real and this plan was made. Let's see how this ends but I feel sad for the kids 😕
They moved to the UK in April the house in FL just sold more recently. They also have a home in CA and NY
@@SavvyGirl751and ????
Fr he probably just wants to stay with his toxic family members
Based on her Instagram post date about her announcement of mutually ending her married and the first TMZ article about their divorce it is literally on the same day. She obviously knew and agreed they are going to divorce because she posted it on Instagram she and Joe are mutually and amicably ending their marriage. That was a day after the divorce was filed. Sounds like they were having trouble for 6 months.
They barely moved to the UK. They stayed less than 3 months and the kids and Joe flown back to the US while Sophie flown to Spain for filming majority of the time. Plus they sold their house on August months after the kids returned to the US and filed. Most people don't know Joe has multiple US properties and homes in the US.
Also they don't have any permanent address yet in the UK. The property Sophie said they purchased is under contingency and wouldn't be finalize until December if any of the party back down the property won't be theirs.
Plus Sophie and Joe both was given a court order to not relocate the children out of the country while in the process of a divorce. Meaning either one of them could go to jail if they attempted to take the kids out of the country.
Also Sophie doesn't understand UK child welfare laws about how she isn't legally allow to have there kids to live with her in the UK without Joe, or if she doesn't have sole custody over the children or she doesn't have a custody agreement with her ex-husband. She will be charged with international kidnapping in the UK if she attempt to force her kids to live with her in the UK.
She and Joe need to finalize their divorce and come up with a custody agreement that allows her to live take her kids back with her to the UK.
Based on Joe's team they are willing to have the kids live in both US and UK with shared custody.
Also Sophie is suing Joe through Hague Convention which she doesn't seem to have much of a case because she needs proof the kids are habitually residents in the UK and US was just a place they are wrongfully contained. The kids was born in the US and has been in the US for majority of their lives plus having multiple residential homes there. Also Hague doesn't deal with custody agreements. They usually deals with international wrongfully adoption cases. They still need their divorce lawyers to handle their custody battles.
If Joe really wants to do Sophie dirty he would had indirectly handed Sophie the kids their passports and let her attempt to get the kids out of the country breaking court order that was given them to not relocate the kids out of the country while in a divorce process and she would be charged with international kidnapping in both US and UK. Giving Joe automatic full custody.
As a mom I find it interesting that in his statement he said, “his kids” …. Not our kids. It’s like he sees them as property? Idk.
Good point!
I don't think so. My family member is also going through a divorce and she refers to her son as her son. And she loves her son and always puts him above anyone else even herself.
@jenc.626
I'm not taking side here nor I know who is in the wrong in their divorce, HOWEVER what you said is too much of a reach, tbh.
Pasrents who are divorcing or no longer together (especially if the separation is not at all amicable) often use "his" or "her" when referring to their children instead of "our kids/our children".
It's not about seeing the children as their property, but it's more about drawing a clear line to separate themselves with the other parent and have as little to do with the other person as possible.
@heronumber009 you can't do what you stated. No matter how are when you separated the children will forever be tied to the two parents. No matter how bad you dislike someone, yall will forever be linked to the children. You can say mine they are forever both parents.
@@tracyparker550
Which is true. HOWEVER, here we are dealing with feeling. Divorce/seperation is often messy and emotionally draining, we can discuss whatever make sense in theory, but for the people who are in the heat of it, often it doesn't mean anything.
Btw, I myself, am not married, nor I have children.
But that how I often see that's how people are, even with my own parents (I'm was a kid of divorced parents).
Jonas brothers' image is entirely focused around family. He wants the kids to continue and expand the family image after the concert or eventually at least.
He wants a divorce but that goes against the whole "family is everything" image. So he puts the blame on the wife and the reason he gets a divorce is BECAUSE of his family (he wants to "protect the kids from an egotistical and neglectful wife").
This way he thinks he manipulates us and we say "ooohh, even though family is everything to him he got a divorce to protect the kids from this bitch. Such a brave man. God bless you and your family values".
He didn't expect a fight.
Omg great insight
Projection. Narcissist use projection.
Joe has been messy from day one saying stuff then going back on it. He used the children to create drama, if you love your children you don't disparage your spouse publicly. It was a marriage that did not work out, they both probably said a did things that were hurtful or not morally good, so no point in judging whose fault it was but Joe has been on the offense is the best form of defense agenda from day zero and that just screams guilty.
If my husband refused to return the kids as planned and and blindsided me with divorce then tried to smear me in the media, I would do ANYTHING to get them back, including implying abduction.
Having kid with a narcissist is a nightmare 😢
Hell within hell on earth.... In HELL 🥵🔥🤡👹
😭💔❤️🔥
Sophie Turner is too good for Joe
So true.
Facts
Fact☆♡
Sofie immediately hired aggressive & expensive AF lawyers if she's going to start sitting the hague convention
Joe can't compete at that level so is trying to calm the situation down.
It would appear to be the case. Although, I am curious, as to why he was consulting with lawyers in LA, but wants the process to be done in Florida. As I understand it, sometimes, due to state laws, the lawyer had to retake parts of the bar, to be able to carry representing the client.
Based on Hague Convention they don't deal with custody battles. They usually deal with wrongful international adoption and they will assess what is the best interest for the kids. Sometimes they actually will have the kids live with people that aren't their biological parents because it's the better choice. And they usually pick what they consider the kids habitual residency.
Sophie and Joe still need their divorce lawyers to handle their custody case.
Also Sophie doesn't have much of a case for Hague to apply. She claimed the family made UK their permanent home but they don't even have a permanent address yet. The kids lived in the UK for less than 3 months before Joe and the kids went back to the US while Sophie flown to Spain for filming majority of the time. Also Joe has multiple properties and residential homes in the US. The kids were born in the US and has records of living in the US for major of their lives. They even stayed in the US after they left the UK longer than being in the UK. Also the kids has records of doctors, childcare services and any services they took long term. Also friends and families.
Sophie said they bought a countryside property in the UK but it's still under contingency until December. Meaning if anyone back out they don't own the home. The children have lived in that property so they can't claim it as their home.
Plus based in UK child welfare laws Sophie isn't technically allowed to have her kids live in the UK if she doesn't have sole custody. She either has to have Joe live in the UK or she has to have Joe consent through custody agreements after the divorce. So she will needs to wait for their divorce to be finalized.
Also she is only suing Joe for wrongful abduction of the kids after she and Joe was given a court order to not relocate the kids out of the country while in the process of a divorce. Meaning she needs to settle her divorce and custody agreement before she is even legally allowed to take the kids out of the country. She will be breaking international laws if she tries to take the kids to live with her in the UK.
@@CrimsonEclipse Thank you for that comprehensive explanation. I am in the UK myself and used to know some of family/ child protection law, as i worked in the health sector, but it was a long long time ago. So would you happen to know where the lawyers for Sophie are from? I had assumed that because of the document citing the Hague Convention, (being the Numpty Norma I am), that her attorneys would have known that it would not be applicable, or do you think it was more of a scare tactic, or desperation that they stuck that in there? Another, (probably stupid or irrelevant), question then is are Sophie's lawyers from New York where she's staying at the moment, or from Florida, (where Joe originally filed for divorce), or even being from the UK- as part of an international law company? I am only asking because if she does have to get Joe to agree, to let the children go to England to live, then for her that would be the better option, and as much as I don't like the manner that Joe, (or his team that he disavowed any comments made from), I can understand why he would want the children to remain in the US. So the only other option I can see right now, is if he gave Sophie full custody, or the courts would have to give her full custody. I don't know how true this is, but I do remember hearing a long time ago, that filing for divorce and child custody in New York, is usually resolved in the mother's favour.
I assume that you are a practising lawyer or studied some part of it.I won't pretend to understand every detail, but I am genuinely grateful for your time, energy and effort used, to very kindly help me understand a little bit better what next steps or options are left. I do feel uneasy about the effects on the children this may have. Especially having such famous parents, whom each party only has single citizenship in the country they were born in, as I don't know if Sophie had requested citizenship when they married.Thank you again for the information and I hope you have a great day/ week/ year...or just the future in general. 🤗
@@npats550 I believe she hired a NYC lawyer to handle the case. Not sure if she even talked to a UK lawyer yet. Even if they are going through federal court in NYC they still have to deal with the divorce court in Florida as well where it was filed. So this is all over the place.
Also many lawyers believe this lawsuit against Joe could be a scared tactic. Plus she seems to mostly just want to speed up the process of getting her kids out of the country because divorce court tend to take longer.
Based on Joe's team they thought they had a mutual understanding with Sophie about shared custody and he said he doesn't have a problem with the kids living in the UK and the US. But 24 hrs later Sophie filed the lawsuit against him. I'm assuming she didn't agreed to the shared custody agreement they talked about. I wouldn't be surprised she wants full custody.
Also sounds like they came to an agreement to stay in NY until the case is settled and Sophie has the kids currently.
@@CrimsonEclipse Again, thanks for replying. I thought that the co parenting issue and Joe not minding them being bought up in both the US and UK, was after she filed for some reason. Brain fog I guess on my part! It really is all over the place- literally and figuratively. Are you part of the lawtube, crowd? Just because I try to learn about different things, especially when it comes to law/ crime, medical and social or family care, and psychology amongst others. If you do produce videos, I would probably check it out. Thanks again and I hope you don't mind, if I end up posting another question here. You are more than welcome to not reply, but I am genuinely grateful for the info you have given me. Hope you have a great day. 👋
The part where they are going to live will be the hardest part of this divorce. This will be nasty
no one knows how to play the media like the jonas bros theres even an interview w/james corden where he asked them multiple questions and each time they answered quickly, witty and made themselves look better and kind and even respectful and humble with each answer it was quite impressive so i understand why joe thought he could get away with doing this cause hes been getting away with it all his life
Kevin is a nice guy
The questions must have been given to them in advance, because none of them are particularly bright.
(Likely) Sophie on the ring camera was talking to a friend/fam member on phone discussing Joe fight & saying he’s trying to backtrack now but she won’t raise her daughters in America
Oooo interesting
Sending support to Sophie. Sweetheart, you can do so much better. That little guy is a jerk.
never understood what she saw in him
@@whooptydoo5940Seriously! Narcissistic AH.
@@whooptydoo5940based on their history she was struggling with a lot of mental health issues and problems and alcohol abuse and deem Joe the one who helped her through this and saved her life. She said Joe actually dumped her before they got married telling her she needs to love herself before he could marry her. I guess they ended up getting married and still have problems.
He got her While she was still a baby.
That little guy 😂😂😂 you just destroyed him
Those who had to deal with narcissists see what's going on here. There are not both sides. One is seeking to destroy the other for whatever sick reason.
I have never been more on anyone's side like I am on Sophie's on this whole situation
Taylor's grudge game is seriously something else, and she's using their divorce to settle old scores? She's like a grown ass adult with a middle schooler's mindset 😂
wtf is your point? joe and taylor was pretty cordial pior to this scandal so idk what ur on ab
I like this.
Yes 😂😂
She may be friends with Sophia like a big sister. Women need women that are in their corner. She is a nice person in a bad situation.
You are a troll. Devil 👿 😂😂
Friends supporting friends during tough times. You don't understand that hon?
The PR hit job that the Jonas camp tried to do is so reminiscent to me of the hit-job that Phil McIntyre did on Demi Lovato when she relapsed and fired him.
A total “throwing under the bus”, dirty secrets revealed, demoralization of someone. Really disgusting.
Totally! The Jonas brothers betrayal toward Demi Lovato was crazy
I agree. They used her to promote their individual projects and in her hour of need where tf were they? Especially Nick, as they signed a contract with Phil M, to start a small record company. I hope it didn't get to the stage where she actually officially handed over any money.
FYI Old man Jonas and Phil McIntyre were in with Johnny Wright; that’s how the boys got on the radar with the help of the Disney machine
Couldn't wait for this one! Ty bestie! 🤗🙊
Of course bestie, hope you enjoy ❤️❤️
Team Sophie!! He's so much older, and definitely playing dirty.. And I believe HER, hell, she was working... long hours on set, and he tried to twist the narrative just to make his younger bride look bad... shame on him TEAM SOPHIE ❤
This is so messy, I can’t- 😭 Joe is a natural born jerk I’m 100% sure
Come on everybody the problem is joe...
EXACTLY.
Why do narcs do this vile unprovoked sh**
I wish you guys would make more videos.
Trying our best ❤️ hopefully we can expand our team moving forward but for now it’s just 2 of us producing, editing, and recording so it’s a little hard as the channel grows and as Hollywood gets more messy 😅
I think they are doing pretty amazing!! A lot of videos out lately
Poor Willa and Delephine, Taylor probably trying to get involved as much as possible to know what her next song will be, remember that she doesn’t have anything deeper in her life than her exes/ boyfriends, other people’s love lives and basically anyone that was or is in her life to write her songs about, before you swifties think of bashing on me, remember that telling the truth and hating are two different things🤷🏻♀️
The way this divorce was so abrupt.
And the way Sophie is selecting her words very carefully. Makes me think, she's hiding something huge and important that will surface with time.
I have a feeling a huge bomb will explode about she and Joe any time now.
I think this is exactly why he kept all his tips to TMZ so vague. He wants us to speculate. He wants us to think of the worst possible scenarios when their issue could've been minor
@@merykhan97 Note how I didn't say Sophie is hiding something she did. My comment is mostly that it could be anything about something Joe might have done (cheating, battering, emotional damage...) or yes, something she did (stopped loving him and told him, cheating...)
I feel like they both are trying to cover up for something huge and n@sty that will surface one day / with time.
I really wish Sophie waited on having kids with him since this was always a risk. I hope Zendaya is taking notes. Neverrrrrr move and start a family in another country for a man!
Harry should be taking notes 🗒️ as well……Meghan is not going to go easy on him….👀
@@angelamunoz2889 right! Harry is in for a ride!
All the Jonas brothers look like weird small creatures compared to their wives 😂
all i can say is taylor should not get involved. Plus why does taylor care about being friends with her exs and their wives?
Attention … drama .. another song
They were friends way before this. Why can't Taylor incourage, and support a friend like everyone else? Who better to give you support, since she deals with negative from the press a lot
@@tracyparker550 she was friends with her b4 her relationship with joe? if not that sus
or maybe taylor was friends with sophie after her breakup w joe and when joe and sophie werent together? she cant js turn her back when her friend is going thru a divorce
Damn three uploads in three days 😁.
I'm glad that she is suing him.
He thinks that by doing this he is only hurting her.
I'm thinking that he is the party boy and Sophie caught him going outside the marriage.
He might of thought I'll file before she does.
So that way he looks like the good guy and to top it off he put out a smear campaign.
So excited that my favorite tea channel has posted!
We’re honored 🥹❤️❤️❤️
Golly, the Aristocracy is squabbling again for the entertainment of peasantry. What a time to be alive.
I don't blame her for getting paps to take pics of her with her kids. She's just trying to undo the damage he did. Poor girl. That guy had narcissist written on his forehead.
Taylor Swift is a brilliant businesswoman and singer, but every personal relationship she was ever in, except for her own parents and brother, ended up in flames. This is not the person you look to for advice if you are a mature adult looking to divorce in a way that is best for your children. Disappointed in Sophie.
Or maybe Taylor has chosen the wrong men, and escaped before shit hits the fan. Most women just settled.
@@coffeemug3009 She’s chosen like 20+ wrong men, that certainly means she’s a part of the problem.
Highly doubt Sophie went to Taylor for Advice?! Taylor never experienced what Sophie is going through rn so she has nothing to offer really. Going out together was a clear statement that she's supporting Sophie and that's a big deal for the general public. The same general public Joe was trying to convince that Sophie is a bad mother (potentially ab*sive even)
@@coffeemug3009
That makes like zero sense, all the men Taylor dated were jerks and she’s always the one who’s right? Oh so you’re that type of a fan, blaming everyone else but your Idol, pathetic
from what i read, they relocated from the USA to the UK this year, this isn't what you can call a permanent residence if there "permanence" is only a few months, and when it comes to residence, they have no permanent residence, even their house in the UK is rented.
Sophie is citing British Law, only these children, may have duel citizenship, but they are American, and born in America and according to an article i read, for years they have been globe trotting with their parents from rental to hotels and never have stayed in a place long enough to put down roots. Sophie may claim, that the UK is their home, but that's for the courts to decide if a few months there, can be called that.
and another issue is, is that Sophie and i think she's a great actress, by the way. but you don't have an argument, then file for divorce, unless it was a hell of an argument, that's been building for some time.
let's face it, this issue is a mess, and going to turn toxic quickly, unless they both calm down and try to see this logically because these children are 3 and 1. They are babies, who deserve better than be thrown into this drama
because from what I'm seeing, this "he said, she said" in the media, asking everyone to "pick a side" isn't healthy. but to be honest, their reaction, to the statements, threats, "abduction" claims and everything else. this is shaping up to be a terrible custody battle, with parents at loggerheads, which means no one wins in the end.
She also has just as much right to have her children in England. As he has to have them in the US. His and his lawyers have had this planned a while. By filling first in the state of Florida. He know he that the courts wouldn't let the children leave the US. until a court hearing and then it can take years. Hang in there Sophia, praying for yall 🙏
I can understand her panicking and wanting her kids back after being smeared and surprised with divorce.
@@tracyparker550 that's it in a nutshell, and Jonus, by putting it out there first, can easily spin, that he was scared of parental alienation, he held on to the passports because he didn't want to lose his children.
even Sophie said she wanted her children in the UK because it's safer and can potentially be used against her by the media. both sides can argue the same thing, but this situation is so damaging to everyone involved. i have no idea what went on in their marriage, but the last thing everyone wants is to lose sight of the most important thing, and that's those children
@@emp9413 true, it mist have been a gut punch when it all happened, and i hope she's doing ok.
Joe's seem like a punk
Priyanka and Nick updated post/UA-cam video please
Unless infidelity or abuse occurs I think most young couples who are married need to put in more effort to keep their marriage together and work things out especially if kids are involved. Don’t let your kids have a broken family.
And at least if you really are checking out and don’t want to work things out please for the sake of the children try to make it as amicable and non messy as possible. And be respectful of your ex spouse in public because public feuding and badmouthing will only hurt your kids in the long run especially if you’re famous. You really want your kids to grow up hearing the horrible stuff you said or your PR team said about their mother Joe? The same goes for you Sophie!
Don’t weaponize the kids against each other! Things are now getting ugly and if you really don’t want to work things out or try too… calm down and think logically before you turn this into an incredibly messy custody battle and divorce that will only hurt yourselves and the kids in the long run. When you’re divorcing like this with kids everything you do you have to consider them first and their best interest.
I've read many blind items about the relationship of Sophie and Joe and many says that Joe was cheating on her since day one. Also, there was another blind item which it said that Joe hurt her and the cast og GoT witnessed all that. Like I said i've been reading too much blind items of them on tiktok, there was a girl who did this amazing deep dive on the relationship but probably some of those blind items are true.
He’s trying to “change that tune”. Hell no, keep it public. Team Sophie!
A few days ago, I read a comment on a different video that said that they divorced because Joe heard Sophie on the ring cam saying that Camp Rock is a dumb movie😂 that’s funny, I know the Jonas brothers appreciate Camp Rock but not to the point that it’s gonna be the last straw in their decision of ending their marriage😂
Team Sophie all they way .
Joe lost all my respect the day he came for the MOTHER OF HIS CHILDREN simply because he wanted to stay in the US. How petty and immature. The fact that we don't know what he allegedly saw on camera tells me it was something very trivial but he worded it that way so we would assume the worst. Also later he can retract and be like (we'll she was smoking and we agreed to not smoke at home, deal breaker for me) that way he can protect himself while starting drama and putting Sophie in a very vulnerable position because now everyone is assuming the worst possible scenario.
I think he tried to play the media game the same way he has been doing for a couple decades thinking that's still effective and that he still has the same fame and influence as he used to have in the past. While that's obviously no longer true, he also messed with one of the most famous actresses right now. She also has a pristine reputation and being with her is the only reason he's relevant rn.
I don't know what that family dinner is about but i really hope Sophie doesn't back down. He needs to learn a lesson and she needs to keep her kids safe.
Team Justice
Loved this video!
I don't think the ring camera was blackmail just cause he doesn't wanna reveal it. What if she said something not only hurtful but embarrassing. Like from their intimate life as one example. Of course he wouldn't want the world to know
Joe Jonas married above his paygrade. I saw through the smear campaign as soon as it began. I have learned a thing or two from watching & listening to your channel. A mother always has the upper hand & Joe is afraid that he is going to lose his kids once they are in England. Sad situation for all of them.
NOT SANSA BEFRIENDING OLLENA TYREL 😂😂😂
If his only concern is the well being of the children- he would not bash their mother publicly. You’re already creating problems for them after they grow up. Also they’re soo young they need their mother more
No wonder TMZ won’t take my calls.😂
IMO he wants the kids so he gets control plus the alimony.
Never trust anyone who came of age in the mainstream music industry. All they know is backhanded tricks.
The reason why she would want the NFL to play her music is because of the Scouter Bruan profiting thing.
What if he just wants to keep the kids and get alimony and not work for the rest of his life?
Taylor swift.. Hmmm... One day this fe.ale will slip and she will be revealed to all those who don't see her realistically. Joe is her ex and she awoops in now ocnveneiently
1hat isn't coincidence..
He's a monster. He is cheating with someone.
This must be really painful 😖
i don’t get how these things are not discussed before marriage. they never talked about where to live?
#TeamKids
Team Sofie
Can you do Selena Gomez she was holding hands with a mystery men going to a event with victory Beckham son and his wife and can you do Taylor swift and Kelsey I don’t really see them lasting at all but there was rumors that Taylor help clean up his luxury box and also help pay for everyone meals at the game . And she sit and cheers on him right next to his mother just saying
They have then same kids. Stop being petty.
Where's Arya Stark when you need her?
Im team their kids cause their parents just using them to push their own selfish narratives and agendas 😢
He seems to be quite sly and vindictive. She is lucky to have strong friends in her corner. Hope they will stop fighting amd start negotiating instead.
I thought you can't sue your own spouse.
Obviously you can, you cannot be compelled to do so. To reveal info about them can be voluntary only
If he file in Florida, why are the kids in New york?
He’s on tour right now in New York.
I mean, in fairness, Taylor works like 3x a week for like 3-5 hours doing her concerts and then takes days off in between lol but yes, she's definitely jumping on Sophie because it's fun for her and because she definitely sides with her, especially if they have a common ex.
Those converts require practices, there are brand deals & so much more. 😂😂😂 you guys are dumb
Can we get a deep dive about the BEGINNING of their relationship? It seems like he saw no issue taking advantage of her naiveity & low self esteem.
So funny how you praise Taylor swift even when she is wrong it's not her business
I always praise Taylor swift? Lmao that’s new, I never got that before
then whys sophie meeting with her? i cant imagine taylor going on a huge tour, attending vmas and then calling sophie up to meet lets be fr now
@@sohamabrahmachari6155why it's not her business Taylor swift will do anything to be relevant that selfish using this for her publicity
@@ScandalousMediaTeaooh how sweet
@@sohamabrahmachari6155really she is so busy that she is in between divorcing people
I think the kids would be better off in England. He could go see the kids ou there
Freaking ridiculous. They’re American children, born in America, this is the only home they have ever known. Not a fan of Jonas and I disapproved of his publicity stunt with the kids, but trying to drag them off to England make their own father a part time feature in their lives? Sophie is as bad as he is. These two both need a counselor sit them down and read them the riot act about how to put their kids first and not use them as pawns to hurt each other.
@FayeIL there are stricter child protection rules in the UK, these kids could grow up in peace without being chased by paparazzi.
@@FayeIL they're both American and English.
I think Taylor swift is the devil
She definitely serves the devil for sure. Most celebrities do.
Lmao i am no fan of her ! But she is just a smart & calculative businesswoman.
Honestly, she gives me the creeps.
#teamselfawareemotionallyintellugentmothersophie
He's the result of being spoiled and always told yes you're right yes yes yes you're right you're always right and yes.
You all need to leave Taylor SWIFT ALONE AND GET A LIFE
Team Sophie, she is playing on the legal side and on the media side, I hope she comes out on top and get everything she wants because what he did was unforgivable...
Did Sofie know that Joe dumped Taylor in a 24 second phone call?
Sophie.lol.
She was better off with Tyrion Lannister
I feel like Joe has already moved on with someone else. He probably picked that fight with her in August.
Tbh yeah I think so too especially since he I heard he stopped having any interest in the marriage
if family is everything.....could it not be worked out....intolerance rules with close family? What are marriages made off then......
Sansa 🔥🔥🔥
Sophie cheated..end of story. It's been now proven months after this video has been posted so there should be some update video on this saga considering how much she's smeared Joe's name already.
His family is very religious, that kind of people always destroy women's life
Fake religious. Their behavior doesn’t align.
Women are incredibly adept at destroying their own lives. Moreso now than ever before. Fuck off with your hatred.
Oh yes, I saw the last video you did...you gave me a sweet reply.
I am still more inclined to believe Sophie, just because of the way he went about publicly smeared her, but she remained silent and even now, she's filed legal documents, rather than exploiting the kids by what appears to be a planned paparazzi photo op.
@5.43, YES. Completely agree with you.
@8.01, there's part of his statement that didn't sit easy with me. He says he doesn't mind bringing up the children in the US AND UK, but also ends on "They are American citizens". I thought they had dual citizenship? If so, why would he feel the need to end on that note? And retracting on what has been said, (by his team I guess), by saying he didn't approve of any messages disparaging her? Even if that was the case, why use the photos from him taking the kids out to eat, when they have been so private about it so far? That's an action or behaviour not a statement. So it's still giving me underhand vibes. I don't invest much in celebrity relationships but when it reaches the court stage, the paperwork becomes public right? I don't live in the States, but I was following the Depp vs Heard case, and I heard it one of the lawtube channels -although I may have misunderstood.
@ 9.37- that was savage...but amusing considering his public antics.
Regarding the Taylor Swift dinners- yep, I admit I had a little chuckle at the lyric, "picture me thick as thieves with your ex wife".
I know that they have been friendly for the past few years, but I don't actually think that going out and being pictured TOO OFTEN with Taylor, or any other celebs, is going to be advantageous, as the media or Joe's team could use it as a "see, she's out all the time, not with the kids", situation.
At the end of the day, it's the children I think who are most likely to suffer. In any divorce, but especially having celeb parents. Which is why, I hope they do find a private solution. Not because of Joe's behaviour, or Sophie who I think did the right thing by staying silent...until this surprise court filing, but for the sake of the children.
As a little segue though, I have been wondering...are you planning any videos to do with Britney- with the divorce, the book, but mostly because of the way social media, (I heard), were sending awful messages to her eldest son on his 18th birthday last week. I felt really bad for him and that's why I'm concerned about this situation too. Children, shouldn't have to be subjected to the consequences of their parents issues. Unless of course for safety reasons.
Also wondering how the Nick and Priyanka situation applies, regarding their child. Not that I am wishing any bad luck to them, but as I have my ex health worker hat on, and the girl being premature, I hope that she is OK. Not asking for a video, but if I trust in any online information it's usually this channel and maybe 1 or 2 others. As usual, I did indeed like the format and content here. You raise some interesting points for sure. Thank you again for just breaking it all down in an easy to understand manner.
Seems like he's started walking back the misogynistic trash-talk real fast since she stepped up and laid out the facts. That's fine. As long as he cuts out the BS, and keeps it like that, and stops acting like a stupid b*tch, maybe he'll come out of this unscathed, maybe even with a balanced custody and divorce settlement. But if he steps out of line again, seems like Sophie will be able to show his bad faith actions, and get him locked out -- pretty easily.
Good for Sophie.
Goes to show if you're not a lying liar, the best way to safeguard against small minded people with control issues is to stick to the facts, and keep it simple.
Thelove of Taylor Swifts life was. is and allways will be Karlie Kloss💌💌💌
Team yey!
A father kidnaps his kids(dont argue, fathers can kidnap their own kids) and refuses to return them to mother
....gets away with it because hes famous 🙄
I'm the kids' team, they are the ones who are going to suffer the consequences if their parents don't put their differences aside and try to have a healthy relationship for the sake of their kids.
OMG this is playing out like Sansa and King Joffrey in GOT. Young innocent Sansa falls for boy-king Joffrey despite creep-vibe, she endures a bad marriage…then…well…it ends badly…for him due to intervention/help by 3rd person who’s familiar with him. 😂
Haha no way! I never watched game of thrones
Joe Jonas is an entitled brat who blames all of his mess ups on other people. Joe does not need the kid's,he's not mature enough to raise kid's because of his desire to party instead of being a husband and a dad. Sophie should get the kid's because she is way more mature than Joe and will take better care of the kid's and will put her kid's needs before her own which is why I think she should be granted full custody.
am i the only one who finds it so disrespectful that this story is showing us how a family has been ripped apart and there are KIDS involved and this tea channel is fr making it out to be some everyday gossip kind of thing that goes around in high school. this is a family we're talking about.
Girlie the info is already in the media. I’m not making it out to be some everyday gossip. It was actually team Jonas who started leaking the news and even playing the gossip tea bait of “she was CAUGHT on the ring camera GASP!!!” Like the entire media industry is talking about it because both Joe & Sophie are talking to the media hence why we got their reps speaking on their behalf. So the issue has never and will never be my channel more than it is the celebrities who cry about privacy being the same ones playing media telephone
@@ScandalousMediaTea True. Play stupid games and win stupid prices 😂
I mean just look at his face lol. I dated a guy like that. All of a sudden I see videos of her on social media partying, with captions about her partying. Everyone in the comments saying she needs to go home and take care of her kids (tho who knows when the videos were taken). Clearly a campaign going on.
I know a man who managed to do this to the mother of his son. She was a French citizen and we’re in the U.K. and the court sided with him and gave him full custody. This is a regular couple so I wonder how it will go for Sophie who is wealthy and famous. I hope she gets her kids back. 😢
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Very well said. He smeared the mother of his children. Too late for privacy bud.
He's the father, it's not an abduction in no way.
Taking the passports and refusing to let them go home is what then? Fathers and mothers abduct their children legally all the time that is why there are laws about it. Joe took the children to the US under false pretenses that he would allow them to go home then blindsided her with filing for the divorce and refusing to hand over the passports. How would you feel if you let you spouse take your kids to a foreign country and then he filed for divorce and refused to let you take your kids home.
You don't watch enough movies.
@@SavvyGirl751im not on joe’s side, but the kids aren’t english, they’re americans and their home is the US.. don’t spread misinformation
I agree
@@SavvyGirl751 abduction is a definition of a criminal offence. As long as there's no restriction order, any parent can have the children without the need to consult or consent the other, because the situations are always different and difficult.
She's stunning
Here’s a controversial take-
America seems like a “mother is best” place. Not every mother is the better parent. If Sophie is leaving her kids to go film for months at a time….that is heartbreaking. Her children are SO little. They don’t understand why their mom is never around. Joe on the other hand is taking care of the kids while he is still working. Sophie could have done the same and had the kids in England if she wanted but she literally said peace out to her own babies and left them with Joe for MONTHS. That is WILD - I don’t care if her job is being an actress. You can figure out a way to see your kids every night. She was perfectly ok leaving her kids for months with Joe and now she’s crying in the media Joe won’t give them back when in reality he never took them away from her. She willingly gave them away. When she cried wolf in the media, Joe had already returned them to her when she visited NY. Sophie must have done something very bad on the ring camera to have Joe file for divorce and questioning everything. The truth will all come out in court but so far Joe who is a working Dad is taking care of the kids every day. Maybe Joe is the better parent. Sophie left them for months. If Sophie really cared she would have figured that out. Sometimes Fathers make the better parent….however, children need BOTH parents.
Just an FYI, Sophie was traveling back and forth for a while and only left the kids for a couple of weeks. She also has documents stating that the kids were supposed to join her in the UK the first week of September.
I understand that 3 and 1 are kids too young to be left alone by either of their parents but these people can afford around the clock childcare. And the Nanny was the one staying with the girls (Joe went clubbing two weeks before the divorce)
Also, Joe is their FATHER. It's his job to take care of them too . And his tour is as important as her filming is. I don't hear anyone calling him a neglectful father for going on tour. He's also acting as if he's babysitting for a friend.
@@merykhan97 as a mother myself I truly find it so odd how Hollywood actors and actresses will just straight up leave their kids for weeks. The baby is 1! I know it’s her job but like I said hire a nanny in England and keep them there with you. Like you said, they can afford it. She just didn’t seem to care that much and left them with Joe. Joe performs at night so obviously the Nannie’s watch them at night but day time he’s with them. He probably thought after they had kids she would take a break and help raise them. No partner should do it alone. A 1 year old is exhausting plus a 3 year old. Also, They probably really miss their mom. No dad can replace a mother. This is obviously something they should have discussed before having kids instead of having them and getting mad at each other for “who is suppose to take care of the kids”
She probably thought he would put his career on hold and watch them and he probably thought she would put hers on hold and watch them. It truly makes me sad for both parties and kids.
@@merykhan97 and no one is calling him a neglectful father because he technically “works at night” but is raising them during the day (we think) Sophie isn’t raising them at all during filming which I find very strange since they are so so little. I feel like Hollywood acts like kids are just accessories and don’t realize hey one of the two of you has to actually spend time with the children and raise them instead of Nannie’s. Also, she cried Joe wouldn’t give the kids back, then instead of spending time with her babies she is seen going out with Taylor swift and getting papped with her. That seems very petty.
@@kmoneyyyy1994Can't stand either of them, but really hope that the judge gives Joe full custody. You know who's a fucking hypocrite 'cause if she actually gave a shit about the kids, then she wouldn't have abandoned them for the past three months. How is it "kidnapping" when Joe's the father? 🙄🤦 She cries wolf, but then the paparazzi catches her hanging out with Taylor's psycho ass? Both of them are petty as fuck since Joe's the common denominator.
He's wrong for being dramatic, but I don't think she's a qualified mother
Queen of the North!!
Queen of the North
Am team Sophie The Queen of the North 😊👍🌹🙂
Team Sophie all the way. Joe's behavior is disgusting and since he started playing dirty from the get-go I hope she shows no mercy and takes him for everything she can get.