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I totally agree with your point of view as a Jhin main. The Statikk Shiv build is for pro plays and it's nearly useless in low-mid elo soloQ, so I just always get the collector first.
Imma say this here: if you’re a decent Jhin who can manage his abilities, statikk is completely useless. The stats/effects are worthless on him, compared to other items like RFC(Rapidfire Cannon), PD(Phantom Dancer), Collector, or BT(Bloodthirster)
@@gamingandchill4186this. The only reason I built it before was when it had crit. The lightning passive is OKAY, and you can sneak a cheeky w on an enemy not paying attention, but THATS IT. You're functionally better with 75% crit with a different non crit item, like maw vs heavy ap teams, or if the enemy is stupid enough to double ap botlane, where you rush maw and win super hard
I'm Bronze and I think I'm the only Jhin player that doesn't build Statikk Shiv on Jhin in our elo. When I faced Jhin on the enemy, I always see them with Statikk Shiv first item, they are so weak.
I became a Jhin OTP after getting into League and watching your videos. I’m so glad that I’m not crazy for switching back to Collector recently before this video dropped. At some point earlier this year, Statik had felt kinda good, and the damage proc on Statik onto champs helps me have the opportunity to land more W’s. But now that benefit just isn’t worth the damage nerf. I can recall maybe a handful of games where Statik Shiv felt super impactful to my recent games, and I notice those games (I’m in Silver ELO) that it’s only that impactful because I’m SUPER ahead. My highlight of playing Statik Jhin was getting a triple kill off of the Statik damage jump from killing a champ with my ult’s 4th shot. But the situation just had to line up perfectly for that to happen. I can more consistently get triples or quadras if I play Collector instead… So thank you for listing out the pros and cons for these builds so hopefully less people in my lobbies will be like “ugh another Jhin that won’t do damage” and dodge. There is something I am curious about though. Is there more of a benefit to building IE or RFC after Collector? Personally I like the range and energize bonus I get with RFC so I tend to grab it before IE but I know IE is a really strong item for Jhin. Thoughts?
You have crazy move speed, a lil bit of range won't make that much of a difference, while IE will make your opponent go blip (thanos reference) imo (Never liked RFC, even tho I admit it's a nice quality of life item on jhin, it lacks damage)
Jhin gets reduced crit damage (51% instead of 75%, a 14% difference) at base, so getting IE second to knock that negative off will make it far easier to get those collector procs. If RFC charged just a little faster, I'd say it would be a tough choice, but as is IE second feels best
I personally love stattik for one reason, it adds W marks. Having the ability to mark someone from behind their own wave without having to step up or blow my own abilities makes the item HUGE for the bully playstyle, I can root the enemy laners when they don't expect it, allowing my support to engage on them from what seemed like a safe distance for the enemy and allowing me to dump my entire kit on them without any retaliation. With how low the cooldown on the passive is, the enemy laners are forced to avoid their own minion wave or constantly have a looming W mark on them for 80% of the laning phase. Unfortunately it's becoming WAY less consistent and less effective on Jhin in the with the upcoming changes.
I thought the whole reason for using Stattik Shiv on Jhin was the consistent longest range root in the game... it's weird that it isn't mentioned in the video
@erich_ika that is definitely one of the big reasons, should be talked about more. But also it's a high elo build that is needed in that environment because higher ranked players know how to abuse wave states and lack of prio
The thing i like the most about statik is the fact that it applies a W mark on the enemy through the wave allowing for a really good far range unexpected engage
This video is the first time I realized that the Ad you get from attack speed on Jhin is a percentage. I thought this entire time that it was flat AD. It would appear I simply cannot read. lol
Lethality Jhin Mid Dark Harvest. Collector, GhostBlade, Streya, Axiom/Optional, Edge of Night Delete everything all game and the ability damage is so much higher then crit. You will catch enemies off guard all the time because they don't realize the difference in damage between crit and lethality. Also coming from Release Jhin player. Great vid as always.
The thing i liked about static shiv was getting the lightning to chain to the opposing botlaners giving me a free engage with w. it also allows you to get sneaky q’s off on the backline to get a max dmg grenada on one of the opposing botlaners. The ability to push a wave like even 5 seconds faster felt reeally nuce ti me as it meant i had more time to go and ward or help with objectives or roam to a jungle fight. With how static has been nerfed and is going to be changed (the PBE changes) I don’t think its gonna be part of my build path any more. Currently ive been playing HoB w/ youmuu’s>collecter>IE or Rapid fire. Still working on it but Ive been having fun with him again. even if they nerfed his ability to get 1000AD. :(
I’ve been playing statikk the whole season but the item was basically op ( good early stats + wave clear + very cheap ) now with all the nerfs to shiv and the buffs to collector for sure it’s better. I have tried the builds throughout the whole year and I had way more losses with collector.
after stormrazor got removed i either go collector or ie first item ie first item has been my fav because im logic is that i get gaurantee crit on my 4th shot and it just amplifies the dmaage alot
I noticed this too, the changes on the crit items really put jhin on a weird place and since i came back from a break from league it felt akward, then i started mixing up the builds, first removed statik and keep the rapid fire second, it helped but it still felt weak i basically had to farm and try to catch up to the other adc with IE and hope i wasnt too late or they didnt build too much armor, also farming as you said was supper akward, ive been playing jhin since realease and god farming without that good chuck of ad its awful and that just makes catching up to the other adc even harder, if you dont succed on winning lane i usually try to farm up all i can with collector and IE you can clean a wave with just a well placed W and Q then you are free to pick up whatever you need for a thirt item and now all the items you need give 25% crit so you start critting more often quite early, if you outscale the other adc its just over because in current league a level or two of advantaje its a loot but with jhin and his pasive the diff its masive, i literally went from emerald 4 to diamond 2 in like 3 weeks just from securing gold and outscaling the enemy adc you dont even have to win lane
Im glad someone finally said it. When i returned to league and saw people rushing statik shiv i was perplexed. At first i assumed that i wasn't caught up on the meta and that there was some compelling reason to build it, but after looking at it more and more i saw the truth. Shiv is only good if you dont like farming on Jhin and want to make an easier laning phase for yourself. The item is almost like a crutch to these people who build it every game.
Since Drakthar ( i spell that wrong i think) as been removed, i've keep a grasp on lethality Jhin, Collector| I.E | almost EVERY game. I can't explain why ☠️
Jhin is just so good because of his kit. He's literally an assassin utility adc who can peel for himself majority of the times. With good trap placements, assassins can never go near jhin and like with his burst damage, you can replace swifties with mercs or tabi or d plate. I love playing jhin whenever i get filled adc, you can never go wrong with him
I think something you're leaving out is the fun factor. The amount of movement speed you get from the statik build is insane, and it's sooo much fun to run around criting people at mach 2
You should mention that collector got buffed to its price recently. It was 3k4 gold at one point which is 200 less gold than IE, which makes it a way less appealing item than shiv which cost way less at 2k7 gold. Main issue about the build is that you delay your LDR or your IE by alot, which significantly lower your dmg. But tbh most games where jhin is good, i dont think he is the star of the show or atleast when i play him is when we have multiple carries in the game and we have ways to deal with tanks. Jhin is never gonna do relevant dmg regardless of build imo and he is a situtational pick for me, so when i play him the line between the 2 build blurs out alot
I saw it being pushed and I immediately went "wtf? For long range w?" And if there are other applications I didn't get them. I stuck to collector into crit
Something you didn't mention on statik shiv: it's passive can set up your W from a longer range when you're in lane. I've built it a few times into difficult matchups and it's allowed me to catch the enemy ADC offguard for a kill.
I played jhin since his release and stay kinda constant with him. Anytime now I saw my adc Jhin build Shiv as an auto filled Sup. Well " He's D E A D to me, forever roam mode "
jhin was the first adc i got into and still my most played. i have never built collector through the various seasons bc i think it's not optimal. I don't need the execute if i have missing % on 4. i just go ie (slow start i know) and then rfc last whisper
While im just playing WR, i can say that being a mono Jhin, the argument that WR is easy and shit may exist but playing agressive works beautifully for me even on disadvantage like against Caitlyn or Draven and i even play mid or toplane when my game/team decides to troll me putting me in a lane that isn't bot
Hi Taco! I am an artist who recently started playing Jhin because I have discovered your channel from August's stream, and I must say Jhin's advice has changed my view on art! I have been experimenting with adding blood to my paintings and I love how it looks. Do you have any ideas on what should I try next?
Personally I think the only time static was better than Collector is when Collector was 3300 and static was 2750 then most adc items were really expensive so by the time you get static and some of IE you get an early lead I think right now best build is Dark harvest with Collector into ghost blade as a core build though am not sure if it would be better than simply going Collector into IE
I saw my friend play Jhin a couple mounths ago and he was building statik wich in my head dosent make any sense, Collector way better in every way and now cheap to build with the cost being buffed, its just a good item in general.
About the two playstyles, i'd like to precise than in low elo, supps are totally clueless until Diamond. So playing agrro is even more dangerous. This is why i usually adapated (i stopped playing this toxic game) my playstyle to my supp. If he has a clue about the strength of my champ, and seems to play good, i play aggro. If not, i play safe and pray that i have good mates.
Thank you, I do appreciate the information on Jhin. I had a question to you. I play jhin mid mainly because of troll supports but its getting difficult against mages with poke to play Jhin mid. Do you have any recommendations for a defensive item on jhin vs mages? Also I used to go fleet footwork but it got nerfed, so now I go dark harvest, with relentless hunter and celerity as second rune so I can gank other lanes with my ult and move around the map easier.
based. Also do you think it's good going IE first (with optional serrated dirk) if you get the opportunity to buy a bf sword? (and then not go collector at all, just ldr/rfc 2nd/3rd)
My man, I don't know what he means with "less experienced Jhin players" I have a few years of Jhin, 700k+ mastery. I definetly agree with you, but the static is just a quality of life. It gives you play opportunity, like hitting minions and then W proc the far away statikk bounce. Higher lvl, it really helps with have clear. I am gonna try again Collector first. (I am going statikk first, collector first, sooo)
My problem with playing aggro as jhin in soloq is that, if i have a engage support, everything goes well most of the time. Leona, Nautilus, Pyke, Blitz, anything that will engage and help me lower the enemy health so the fourth shot deals good amount of damage or kill them. Soraka and other heavy sustain supports also work well, as long as the enemy duo isn't engage heavy, since i can trade, and she wins the trade for me by healing all the damage i took while they are low. my problem is when i have a peel support. Jhin is NOT draven. He's not a good duelist that can 100 to 0 you at level 2 like draven. If i'm against kaisa and nautilus, i can't bully them out because kaisa will just E foward and extend the trade/all in me, even without her support. Jhin needs the enemy low on HP, so you either do that by poking them down until they are low then kill them, or you all in them with your support if your support does good damage. To be a bully with jhin in lane, it's pretty reliant on what support you have, and what's the enemy duo, at least for my perspective. I know Taco can just do it against everyone, but some adcs, specially ashe and kaisa, won't let me poke them and disengage because ashe will perma slow me back while i'm reloading, and kaisa will press E and go foward to hit me until passive procs/all in. Draven will also just E me and all in me if i dare to auto him once. And before having a full item i cannot deal enough damage to kill them in 4 shots from full health.
THE KING IS BACK!!! question, do you think the dark harvest rune is good right now? i see some people using it, but im not sure if its as good as fleet footwork.
As a Jhin OTP I back this up, Statikk is worthless and already was before Jhin's nerf, like I've always wanted to find something to replace Collector, at least in late game to switch the lethality for something better in late but bro the execute with dark harvest is addictive
Glad you mention the 2 types of jhin players. The thing is... most of the 2nd type are just bad adc players. Before jhin, they played cait. Because she was the longest range auto attacker and therefore, they could safely max range afk farm minions and hope someone else magically wins every game for them while making them look good. But when jhin came, there was a new longest range adc, and thus jhin got a worse rep than he deserves.
I've been building both LOL but I'll definitely go for Collector directly first and leave it at that rather than both. Did not realise Statik doesnt give crit... So used to Collector = No Crit, Statik = Crit and Bloodthirster usually no crit.. (it's been a while for me) So what runes should I be running more? Fleet or Dark Harvest
YES FINALLY im sending this to all the clowns that argue with me that jhin should build statikk shiv, rfc, and finally some form of damage, 4 item damage spike vs 2/3 item damage spike, ESPECIALLY once statikk shiv gets reworked, also they just reduced the price of collector to 2950 for some reason, collector -> IE -> mortal reminder (not LDR, 5% extra armor pen barely means anything compared to anti-heal)/RFC -> the other one -> honestly last item i tend to go maw, bt, pd, swap boots to zephyr, depends on what i need in the game mostly
Hello Mr. Taco or any other jhin aficionado in the comments. When do you tend to go Dark Harvest over fleet with an aggressive build like collector rush. I feel like the mindset would be to never go fleet and instead to try and push for a huge advantage, but you're running fleet each game in the video. Please could you let me know what your mindset is? Thanks.
Not disagreeing with any of your points here Mr. Taco, but shouldn't the Statikk Shiv passive allowing you to proc W be a pro for Shiv since it allows you to force an engage by yourself which also constitutes playing aggressively? Or is it still outvalued by being able to deal more damage? And lastly, is Shiv potentially useful in AP bot lanes that never want to interact with auto attacks and constantly spam shove waves?
Statikk Shiv to proc W to make picks only works in pro play. It rarely ever works that way in solo q. And even if you try to use it for yourself in Solo Q it isn't gonna make a difference between getting the kill or not because if you're playing aggro and ahead then you don't rly even need to land W to do all that. Shiv is good against AP botlanes I considered that, but if you do Doran's Ring instead of Doran's Blade then your Q one shots the wave for a long time and you have plenty of mana to spam so I suggest just starting with Doran's Ring to match their wave clear
Nice vid, since it goes with the theme of the video, do you think berserkers can be better than swifties? or the bonus ms is overall better? Lov u taco
the only scenario i still build shiv on Jhin is when your support is a complete pushover because the passive applies the W mark so you kill a minion, hit your W and FORCE your support to act On Big JC above i still cannot comprehend how people don't get that Jhin is a *very* aggressive laner, HE'S A DERANGED SERIAL KILLAR FFS! PLAY IT LIKE IT IS!
long time no see taco. i m at average diamond/master for 3-4 seasons and i totally agree with u about utility safe jhin doesnt work in solo q. 7-8 out of 10 games with shiv build safe jhin always lead to a loss for me. this hero is like go full blown offensive or get lost type imo.
You're absolutely right but it must be said that Statikk Shiv now is a lot weaker than Statikk Shiv 3 patches ago, and even more so 5-6 patches ago. You missed out on the reason why Statikk was so hyped on. Pre 14.19 Statikk is arguably the best item you can build on him, there's a reason why 90% of Jhins build Statikk. This is now a very important video, mainly to stop people who didn't realize how bad Statikk is now from building it. Judging by stats most people have realized it last patch, but that last 15% that still builds Statikk must know
I agree with most of what you're saying, but Pre 14.19. Collector + IE had an average of 2-4% higher win rate than Shiv RFC. Collector was always better but Shiv seemed not as bad because Jhin himself was very very strong AND all the pros were going Shiv only so it just encouraged it more. After he got nerfed and statik shiv got a bit nerfed its becoming more clear that collector is the only one to go now.
I'm in no way a Jhin expert (just a fan of his playstyle and themes) nor do I play League seriously, but I have always wondered why don't people build Phantom Dancer more on him. I've never done the math, but isn't the MS, Crit and AS really good because of his passive and his playstyle even though the item itself doesn't give any AD? Is it because it's overshadowed by everything else Jhin can build?
I came back to league recently and saw shiv was being used a lot and didnt know why and tried it out for some matches and it was.... meh feeling. Had one moment where the shiv killed both my laners in one proc but that was one moment in a game where i had gone almost 20 games with. Item just wasnt feeling good so im going back to collector
i mean even if someone wants to spam abilites and focus on utiliy isnt going lethality more logical? abilites will deal more damage and lethality items are cheaper. Your spammed abilites will deal more.
Late Comment, but I tend to build statikk shiv so I can get Q castor minion death bounce poke to bully harder. Isn't that as valuable as the extra damage from collector? Although crit from collector might be more valuable?
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I'll wait until Jhin is available as a theme
Jokes on you, I never went the mosquito build in the first place!
What do you think about Youmuus after the changes as a first item??
What do you mean Jhin is 9 years old... I'm not old right? He's a new champion right...
everything that came out since lucian should be considered new lol
Get him away from Jax
Siv HD was still around and played him ap when he was release...
I straight up googled it because I was SURE he was like... 5 years... not nine
wait so you like 9 years old?
Collector is a gun, and Jhin uses a gun
best logic
Can't argue with that
Occam's razor'd the hell out of that one
That's how I used to decide my items when I first started league 😂
ok i wont build ie anymore cuz its a sword
After you said "Statikk doesnt change your farm" I was like it does, it makes me miss farm like idk how to farm with statikk
Spam Q
That’s relatable LOL
its annoying when u want to not push the the wave too
I totally agree with your point of view as a Jhin main. The Statikk Shiv build is for pro plays and it's nearly useless in low-mid elo soloQ, so I just always get the collector first.
Or stormrazor, both are good for jhin
@@SDSXellan stormrazor doesn't exist anymore outside of arena
@@baburila it did good before removing, i thought its still in league, delusional xD
Imma say this here: if you’re a decent Jhin who can manage his abilities, statikk is completely useless. The stats/effects are worthless on him, compared to other items like RFC(Rapidfire Cannon), PD(Phantom Dancer), Collector, or BT(Bloodthirster)
@@gamingandchill4186this. The only reason I built it before was when it had crit. The lightning passive is OKAY, and you can sneak a cheeky w on an enemy not paying attention, but THATS IT. You're functionally better with 75% crit with a different non crit item, like maw vs heavy ap teams, or if the enemy is stupid enough to double ap botlane, where you rush maw and win super hard
You made this video just in time for static to get reworked yet again
that galeforce jumpscare at 0:43
ahh when life was simpler... what id do to have a dash again...
life was just good
Yamikaze returned to leeg
Might have to run back duos with Yami
@@IKeepItTaco Id click so fast
@@IKeepItTaco rareboi bunch is real?!?!
@@IKeepItTacoyes yes yessss
Wait, Yami's returned? I thought he left for good. Time to run it back.
I miss the days when we used to build essence reaver IE
I'm Bronze and I think I'm the only Jhin player that doesn't build Statikk Shiv on Jhin in our elo. When I faced Jhin on the enemy, I always see them with Statikk Shiv first item, they are so weak.
Shiv RFC combo 60dmg / Energize 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Did you even listen the video
@ I think you are the few who have never seen the RFC Statikk Jhin edit. Didnt really need to watch allat cuz I know statikk is bad on him lmao
@@TTwisterxD statikk rfc is good tho
@@free_playstation_2oh so youre the one who didnt listen to the video then
I missed his vids. He back. Me happy.
I became a Jhin OTP after getting into League and watching your videos. I’m so glad that I’m not crazy for switching back to Collector recently before this video dropped. At some point earlier this year, Statik had felt kinda good, and the damage proc on Statik onto champs helps me have the opportunity to land more W’s. But now that benefit just isn’t worth the damage nerf. I can recall maybe a handful of games where Statik Shiv felt super impactful to my recent games, and I notice those games (I’m in Silver ELO) that it’s only that impactful because I’m SUPER ahead.
My highlight of playing Statik Jhin was getting a triple kill off of the Statik damage jump from killing a champ with my ult’s 4th shot. But the situation just had to line up perfectly for that to happen. I can more consistently get triples or quadras if I play Collector instead… So thank you for listing out the pros and cons for these builds so hopefully less people in my lobbies will be like “ugh another Jhin that won’t do damage” and dodge.
There is something I am curious about though. Is there more of a benefit to building IE or RFC after Collector? Personally I like the range and energize bonus I get with RFC so I tend to grab it before IE but I know IE is a really strong item for Jhin. Thoughts?
You have crazy move speed, a lil bit of range won't make that much of a difference, while IE will make your opponent go blip (thanos reference) imo (Never liked RFC, even tho I admit it's a nice quality of life item on jhin, it lacks damage)
Jhin gets reduced crit damage (51% instead of 75%, a 14% difference) at base, so getting IE second to knock that negative off will make it far easier to get those collector procs. If RFC charged just a little faster, I'd say it would be a tough choice, but as is IE second feels best
Ah yes, the pacifist build, consisting in turning into a reloading Sivir 😂.
stop buying statikk shiv, start building ap
What Ive taken from this, is that on paper, static shiv is better but in practice... not always
I personally love stattik for one reason, it adds W marks. Having the ability to mark someone from behind their own wave without having to step up or blow my own abilities makes the item HUGE for the bully playstyle, I can root the enemy laners when they don't expect it, allowing my support to engage on them from what seemed like a safe distance for the enemy and allowing me to dump my entire kit on them without any retaliation. With how low the cooldown on the passive is, the enemy laners are forced to avoid their own minion wave or constantly have a looming W mark on them for 80% of the laning phase.
Unfortunately it's becoming WAY less consistent and less effective on Jhin in the with the upcoming changes.
and u can setup maxQ dmg on casters easily
I thought the whole reason for using Stattik Shiv on Jhin was the consistent longest range root in the game... it's weird that it isn't mentioned in the video
@erich_ika that is definitely one of the big reasons, should be talked about more. But also it's a high elo build that is needed in that environment because higher ranked players know how to abuse wave states and lack of prio
Welcome back, been waiting for your channel notification to pop up
The thing i like the most about statik is the fact that it applies a W mark on the enemy through the wave allowing for a really good far range unexpected engage
This video is the first time I realized that the Ad you get from attack speed on Jhin is a percentage. I thought this entire time that it was flat AD. It would appear I simply cannot read. lol
He has returned to grace us with his presence.
Shiv is for low damage, high aoe or high atk spd champions. I used to love building it on Jinx and Sivir because I was a farm fiend
Lethality Jhin Mid Dark Harvest.
Collector, GhostBlade, Streya, Axiom/Optional, Edge of Night Delete everything all game and the ability damage is so much higher then crit. You will catch enemies off guard all the time because they don't realize the difference in damage between crit and lethality.
Also coming from Release Jhin player. Great vid as always.
9 years?! i didn't think he was that old. Time flies i guess, wow.
They are reworking how statik works next patch anyway so I don't think this will be a thing anymore
Attack speed? Huh. Where is the drama in that!
The thing i liked about static shiv was getting the lightning to chain to the opposing botlaners giving me a free engage with w. it also allows you to get sneaky q’s off on the backline to get a max dmg grenada on one of the opposing botlaners. The ability to push a wave like even 5 seconds faster felt reeally nuce ti me as it meant i had more time to go and ward or help with objectives or roam to a jungle fight. With how static has been nerfed and is going to be changed (the PBE changes) I don’t think its gonna be part of my build path any more. Currently ive been playing HoB w/ youmuu’s>collecter>IE or Rapid fire. Still working on it but Ive been having fun with him again. even if they nerfed his ability to get 1000AD. :(
also Welcome back Taco!!🎉
I’ve been playing statikk the whole season but the item was basically op ( good early stats + wave clear + very cheap ) now with all the nerfs to shiv and the buffs to collector for sure it’s better.
I have tried the builds throughout the whole year and I had way more losses with collector.
Instruction unclear, building shiv into rfc time
Never noticed the attack damage interaction with Jhin's passive, good to know :D
after stormrazor got removed i either go collector or ie first item
ie first item has been my fav because im logic is that i get gaurantee crit on my 4th shot and it just amplifies the dmaage alot
I noticed this too, the changes on the crit items really put jhin on a weird place and since i came back from a break from league it felt akward, then i started mixing up the builds, first removed statik and keep the rapid fire second, it helped but it still felt weak i basically had to farm and try to catch up to the other adc with IE and hope i wasnt too late or they didnt build too much armor, also farming as you said was supper akward, ive been playing jhin since realease and god farming without that good chuck of ad its awful and that just makes catching up to the other adc even harder, if you dont succed on winning lane i usually try to farm up all i can with collector and IE you can clean a wave with just a well placed W and Q then you are free to pick up whatever you need for a thirt item and now all the items you need give 25% crit so you start critting more often quite early, if you outscale the other adc its just over because in current league a level or two of advantaje its a loot but with jhin and his pasive the diff its masive, i literally went from emerald 4 to diamond 2 in like 3 weeks just from securing gold and outscaling the enemy adc you dont even have to win lane
Man returned exactly when i wannted to pick up jhin again 🙏
I genuinely start tweaking when I see my fed Jhin spend his gold on statik + rapid
Im glad someone finally said it. When i returned to league and saw people rushing statik shiv i was perplexed. At first i assumed that i wasn't caught up on the meta and that there was some compelling reason to build it, but after looking at it more and more i saw the truth. Shiv is only good if you dont like farming on Jhin and want to make an easier laning phase for yourself. The item is almost like a crutch to these people who build it every game.
Since Drakthar ( i spell that wrong i think) as been removed, i've keep a grasp on lethality Jhin, Collector| I.E | almost EVERY game.
I can't explain why ☠️
Jhin is just so good because of his kit. He's literally an assassin utility adc who can peel for himself majority of the times. With good trap placements, assassins can never go near jhin and like with his burst damage, you can replace swifties with mercs or tabi or d plate. I love playing jhin whenever i get filled adc, you can never go wrong with him
I think something you're leaving out is the fun factor. The amount of movement speed you get from the statik build is insane, and it's sooo much fun to run around criting people at mach 2
legit every time i was watching a jhin going stattik to second rpc a piece of my soul was dying
You should mention that collector got buffed to its price recently. It was 3k4 gold at one point which is 200 less gold than IE, which makes it a way less appealing item than shiv which cost way less at 2k7 gold. Main issue about the build is that you delay your LDR or your IE by alot, which significantly lower your dmg. But tbh most games where jhin is good, i dont think he is the star of the show or atleast when i play him is when we have multiple carries in the game and we have ways to deal with tanks. Jhin is never gonna do relevant dmg regardless of build imo and he is a situtational pick for me, so when i play him the line between the 2 build blurs out alot
I saw it being pushed and I immediately went "wtf? For long range w?" And if there are other applications I didn't get them. I stuck to collector into crit
We meet again, my old nemesis.
Thank you for this important PSA taco.
Something you didn't mention on statik shiv: it's passive can set up your W from a longer range when you're in lane. I've built it a few times into difficult matchups and it's allowed me to catch the enemy ADC offguard for a kill.
I played jhin since his release and stay kinda constant with him. Anytime now I saw my adc Jhin build Shiv as an auto filled Sup. Well " He's D E A D to me, forever roam mode "
0:40 botlane experience fr lol
jhin was the first adc i got into and still my most played. i have never built collector through the various seasons bc i think it's not optimal. I don't need the execute if i have missing % on 4. i just go ie (slow start i know) and then rfc last whisper
While im just playing WR, i can say that being a mono Jhin, the argument that WR is easy and shit may exist but playing agressive works beautifully for me even on disadvantage like against Caitlyn or Draven and i even play mid or toplane when my game/team decides to troll me putting me in a lane that isn't bot
I like statik vor the synergy with w, opens some unexpected oppertunitys (low elo)
Funny how I could theorycraft all that in like 1 game after trying statik rfc while being a dia player
I like to build static shiv cause it’s give me a lot of movement speed so I just run so fast it’s kinda fun
Hi Taco! I am an artist who recently started playing Jhin because I have discovered your channel from August's stream, and I must say Jhin's advice has changed my view on art! I have been experimenting with adding blood to my paintings and I love how it looks. Do you have any ideas on what should I try next?
SOMEONE HAS FINALLY SAID IT THX GOD
Personally I think the only time static was better than Collector is when
Collector was 3300 and static was 2750
then most adc items were really expensive so by the time you get static and some of IE you get an early lead
I think right now best build is Dark harvest with Collector into ghost blade as a core build
though am not sure if it would be better than simply going Collector into IE
How I build most ADC champ:
More dmg = More Fun
The harder it hit the more panic will make.
I saw my friend play Jhin a couple mounths ago and he was building statik wich in my head dosent make any sense, Collector way better in every way and now cheap to build with the cost being buffed, its just a good item in general.
I only build shyv against AP bot lanes like ziggs and Hwei to make landing less worse if I have a passive support
About the two playstyles, i'd like to precise than in low elo, supps are totally clueless until Diamond. So playing agrro is even more dangerous. This is why i usually adapated (i stopped playing this toxic game) my playstyle to my supp. If he has a clue about the strength of my champ, and seems to play good, i play aggro. If not, i play safe and pray that i have good mates.
Sad I missed building full energy items on Jhin. Shit was funny he was so fucking fast
Thank you, I do appreciate the information on Jhin. I had a question to you. I play jhin mid mainly because of troll supports but its getting difficult against mages with poke to play Jhin mid. Do you have any recommendations for a defensive item on jhin vs mages? Also I used to go fleet footwork but it got nerfed, so now I go dark harvest, with relentless hunter and celerity as second rune so I can gank other lanes with my ult and move around the map easier.
jokes on you, i never stop using collector ;3
based. Also do you think it's good going IE first (with optional serrated dirk) if you get the opportunity to buy a bf sword? (and then not go collector at all, just ldr/rfc 2nd/3rd)
My man, I don't know what he means with "less experienced Jhin players" I have a few years of Jhin, 700k+ mastery.
I definetly agree with you, but the static is just a quality of life. It gives you play opportunity, like hitting minions and then W proc the far away statikk bounce. Higher lvl, it really helps with have clear. I am gonna try again Collector first. (I am going statikk first, collector first, sooo)
I used to play Jim Jones style
"What is Jhin building?"
> Sees Statik Shiv
"Ah, ... the mosquito build..."
- Caedrel 2024
My problem with playing aggro as jhin in soloq is that, if i have a engage support, everything goes well most of the time. Leona, Nautilus, Pyke, Blitz, anything that will engage and help me lower the enemy health so the fourth shot deals good amount of damage or kill them. Soraka and other heavy sustain supports also work well, as long as the enemy duo isn't engage heavy, since i can trade, and she wins the trade for me by healing all the damage i took while they are low.
my problem is when i have a peel support. Jhin is NOT draven. He's not a good duelist that can 100 to 0 you at level 2 like draven. If i'm against kaisa and nautilus, i can't bully them out because kaisa will just E foward and extend the trade/all in me, even without her support. Jhin needs the enemy low on HP, so you either do that by poking them down until they are low then kill them, or you all in them with your support if your support does good damage. To be a bully with jhin in lane, it's pretty reliant on what support you have, and what's the enemy duo, at least for my perspective. I know Taco can just do it against everyone, but some adcs, specially ashe and kaisa, won't let me poke them and disengage because ashe will perma slow me back while i'm reloading, and kaisa will press E and go foward to hit me until passive procs/all in. Draven will also just E me and all in me if i dare to auto him once. And before having a full item i cannot deal enough damage to kill them in 4 shots from full health.
Lol math says youmuu's, Lord dom's, phantom dancer, hex plate and shield bow with swifties
Taco, i tried starting with hubris again and i liked it, you should try it!!
THE KING IS BACK!!! question, do you think the dark harvest rune is good right now? i see some people using it, but im not sure if its as good as fleet footwork.
My argument against shiv is: I want to see in my inventory 100% crit, bt and boots.
does anyone remember the days when static shiv was actually a cool item. Like it would almost always do the aoe (forget the exact conditions).
As a Jhin OTP I back this up, Statikk is worthless and already was before Jhin's nerf, like I've always wanted to find something to replace Collector, at least in late game to switch the lethality for something better in late but bro the execute with dark harvest is addictive
RIP LDR passive you will be missed.
Glad you mention the 2 types of jhin players. The thing is... most of the 2nd type are just bad adc players. Before jhin, they played cait. Because she was the longest range auto attacker and therefore, they could safely max range afk farm minions and hope someone else magically wins every game for them while making them look good. But when jhin came, there was a new longest range adc, and thus jhin got a worse rep than he deserves.
I've been building both LOL but I'll definitely go for Collector directly first and leave it at that rather than both. Did not realise Statik doesnt give crit... So used to Collector = No Crit, Statik = Crit and Bloodthirster usually no crit.. (it's been a while for me)
So what runes should I be running more? Fleet or Dark Harvest
Collector has the special 4444 execute damage just for jhin, it would be rude not to use it
YES FINALLY
im sending this to all the clowns that argue with me that jhin should build statikk shiv, rfc, and finally some form of damage, 4 item damage spike vs 2/3 item damage spike, ESPECIALLY once statikk shiv gets reworked, also they just reduced the price of collector to 2950 for some reason, collector -> IE -> mortal reminder (not LDR, 5% extra armor pen barely means anything compared to anti-heal)/RFC -> the other one -> honestly last item i tend to go maw, bt, pd, swap boots to zephyr, depends on what i need in the game mostly
Thoughts on essence reaver first buy? Little more Econ and you buy armor pen third item, can spam abilities and less reliant on leads
Ye i dont like shiv that much too the only pros it has is that it gives urself some sort of Utility bcuz u can submit ur w with the shiv proc
Le mosquito jhin build
Hello Mr. Taco or any other jhin aficionado in the comments. When do you tend to go Dark Harvest over fleet with an aggressive build like collector rush. I feel like the mindset would be to never go fleet and instead to try and push for a huge advantage, but you're running fleet each game in the video. Please could you let me know what your mindset is? Thanks.
Finally someone says to stop
Not disagreeing with any of your points here Mr. Taco, but shouldn't the Statikk Shiv passive allowing you to proc W be a pro for Shiv since it allows you to force an engage by yourself which also constitutes playing aggressively? Or is it still outvalued by being able to deal more damage? And lastly, is Shiv potentially useful in AP bot lanes that never want to interact with auto attacks and constantly spam shove waves?
Statikk Shiv to proc W to make picks only works in pro play. It rarely ever works that way in solo q. And even if you try to use it for yourself in Solo Q it isn't gonna make a difference between getting the kill or not because if you're playing aggro and ahead then you don't rly even need to land W to do all that. Shiv is good against AP botlanes I considered that, but if you do Doran's Ring instead of Doran's Blade then your Q one shots the wave for a long time and you have plenty of mana to spam so I suggest just starting with Doran's Ring to match their wave clear
Been a opera gx user for the past 4 years now I believe
Nice vid, since it goes with the theme of the video, do you think berserkers can be better than swifties? or the bonus ms is overall better?
Lov u taco
question, is hubris a good item to build on jhin as a first item? it gives ad, scales in lategame and allows you to snowball hard with the lethality
the only scenario i still build shiv on Jhin is when your support is a complete pushover because the passive applies the W mark so you kill a minion, hit your W and FORCE your support to act
On Big JC above i still cannot comprehend how people don't get that Jhin is a *very* aggressive laner, HE'S A DERANGED SERIAL KILLAR FFS! PLAY IT LIKE IT IS!
long time no see taco. i m at average diamond/master for 3-4 seasons and i totally agree with u about utility safe jhin doesnt work in solo q. 7-8 out of 10 games with shiv build safe jhin always lead to a loss for me. this hero is like go full blown offensive or get lost type imo.
How about, when should i, LETHALITY, CRIT or HYBRID BUILD?
I don't pay attention to league much anymore, I had no idea Keep it Taco quit.
Will the new yun tal be good for jhin even if the passive would probably never be fully stacked?
You're absolutely right but it must be said that Statikk Shiv now is a lot weaker than Statikk Shiv 3 patches ago, and even more so 5-6 patches ago. You missed out on the reason why Statikk was so hyped on. Pre 14.19 Statikk is arguably the best item you can build on him, there's a reason why 90% of Jhins build Statikk. This is now a very important video, mainly to stop people who didn't realize how bad Statikk is now from building it. Judging by stats most people have realized it last patch, but that last 15% that still builds Statikk must know
I agree with most of what you're saying, but Pre 14.19. Collector + IE had an average of 2-4% higher win rate than Shiv RFC. Collector was always better but Shiv seemed not as bad because Jhin himself was very very strong AND all the pros were going Shiv only so it just encouraged it more. After he got nerfed and statik shiv got a bit nerfed its becoming more clear that collector is the only one to go now.
what about hubris?? its insanly good right now perfect for snowballing and gives all the needs of jhin?
I'm in no way a Jhin expert (just a fan of his playstyle and themes) nor do I play League seriously, but I have always wondered why don't people build Phantom Dancer more on him.
I've never done the math, but isn't the MS, Crit and AS really good because of his passive and his playstyle even though the item itself doesn't give any AD? Is it because it's overshadowed by everything else Jhin can build?
I came back to league recently and saw shiv was being used a lot and didnt know why and tried it out for some matches and it was.... meh feeling. Had one moment where the shiv killed both my laners in one proc but that was one moment in a game where i had gone almost 20 games with. Item just wasnt feeling good so im going back to collector
bro you have to do more videos like this i am a jhin main and i will do that now thanks for that but you have to do more videos its useful
i mean even if someone wants to spam abilites and focus on utiliy isnt going lethality more logical? abilites will deal more damage and lethality items are cheaper. Your spammed abilites will deal more.
Finally, someone with a brain, for once a league player has a brain that works
i just build swiftys into rapid fire too mainly full crit items
Late Comment, but I tend to build statikk shiv so I can get Q castor minion death bounce poke to bully harder. Isn't that as valuable as the extra damage from collector? Although crit from collector might be more valuable?