Shogun (2024) Episode 3 Review
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- Опубліковано 4 бер 2024
- Episode 3 of Shogun, titled "Tomorrow is Tomorrow" sees Toranaga along with Blackthorne and Mariko attempt to escape Osaka from the clutches of Ishido and the other hostile regent lords.
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Fire arrows are loved by film makers because:
1) it’s flashy
2) it provides light to a dark setting so the audience can better see what’s going on.
Directors - OK it's time to light up the arrows
Dothraki - we will use our curved blades instead because we are different
Having seen battle of winterfell on season 8. I will take fire arrow over black screen
@@earthling123 Good point
But if I remember correctly, Toronaga's entourage was carrying torches, so there was already plenty of light. So therefor no need for the fire arrows.
And even if there wasn't any other light source, it would have been easy enough for them to have either filmed the scene during the day and made it look like night in post, something done lots of times. Or, they could have used some lights and just adjsut the cameras that it looks darker than it really does but at the same time still be light enough for the audience to see what's going on. And also consider that just because it's night time it doesn't mean that it's pitch black out, the moon can and does provide a fair amount of light, partiularly a full moon. So a seemingly bright night coudl easily be explained by a full moon in the night sky.
@@Riceball01 They did do that at the end of episode 3 it provides a range of light. You wouldnt want the episode to be only red glow of fire or only blue glow of the moon.
Then it would look like they just slapped a filter on for the whole show
The purpose of the flaming arrows was to give us a light source to help explain away the large amount of lighting we get.
I figured that too, fair enough
But in the context of the story it’s not as credible
@@TravelingThruLifeI disagree, but only because some compromises always have to be made for the sake of the visual medium. I'm willing to go along with the choices they've made so far.
@@ChiefOfAssfair. Would have been too dark and confusing
fires at and near your target will actually render their night vision useless, blinding even. which is why even in guadalcanal in ww2, it's still the japanese' favorite tactic. if it wasn't for radar, it would have been far more devastating.
Agree again with most of it. The only slight reminder is that after Mariko failed to lead the women out of Osaka and her fight with the ishido captain, Yabu and another captain commented that she might have beaten a lesser swordsman… so her ability whilst not elite may have been competent… another point you could also make is that not every samurai was elite either… they were not all Musashi.
Exactly.
I thought the scene where Toranaga makes Blackthorne a hatamoto was glossed over. The import and social standing of the position was detailed in the book much better
A 'fair' comment but I think this reflects Blackthorn's position as he really doesn't understand yet, this is also echoed by William Adams who was also made a retainer but mused that he wasn't sure what it meant in his diaries. You can see across the three episodes he is 'starting' to get where the Japanese mind is in this time but he's still an outsider who's learning.
That's also the part I was slightly let down on. Hatboro is a pretty big deal, not just a "well we can't call him a barbarian anymore" thing. Plus, I'm fairly sure it only happened after **SPOILER**
... He saved Toranaga from the earthquake. So now I think maybe we won't get an earthquake scene.
All these references about Korea, makes me want a series on the Imjin War also
Nostalgia for my war crimes will never not make me get mad.
Or a prequel to shogun about toranagas rise or make it about nobunaga.
@@deathdoorYou committed war crimes in the Imjin War!? Sounds intriguing please elaborate.
I think the fire arrows were used quite well and FAAAAAR better than in practically any other series or movie I've seen). First of all, they start with unlit arrows, so they don't throw away the element of surprise and only shoot fire arrows once the surprise is gone anyway. And if you look at it, they don't shoot the fire arrows at the people, but at trees above them and the surroundings.
To me it looks like the fire arrows are to illuminate the area, where their targets are, to better see them and at the same time, this also worsens their opponents' dark vision. If you stand in the dark, your eyes adjust to the darkness, but if you stand in the light, they don't.
I would also assume that they'd deliberately avoid the palakins, since the "women" might make for much better hostages than corpses. Though that they aren't concentrating more fire at Blackthorn is a bit odd. He is after all supposedly the main taget and they want him dead, not captured. And he's also standing out quite a bit, even in bad light.
In the book, and the '80s series, Toranaga did switch placeswith Lady Kiri. Think about it- if he was in the litter the whole time, how would Blackthorne have known? He saw the switch while everyone else was looking at the pregnant girl who tripped on the steps (the ruse constructed by Toranaga so he could make the switch). I', a certified nerd who has read the book 3 times, and seen the '80s series several times. 🤓😆
Yes, but it makes absolutely zero sense in this adaptation because the way the guards were standing at least half a dozen would have still seen the swap because the palanquin was between them and Lady Kiri.
The "nitpicks" are the reason I watch content from someone who is not only an expert in the subject matter, but one that is passionate about their personal field of knowledge and who can explain it to me in a way that I can comprehend.
I enjoy learning about the little details that I would not pick up on because of my lack of knowledge in that area. These "nitpicks" allow me to build a better foundation of information and a wider world view on the subject matter.
I already know I enjoy the show, I do not feel compelled to spend my time having my own opinion repeated back to me as a form of entertainment, echo chamber for lack of better word.
I enjoy the episode recaps, but I hope there will be a longer series repap from a historical viewpoint at the end of the series.
yea if anything, i'd like more nitpicks please. if they're too pedantic, the comments will let you know (and boost your algorithm).
His nitpicks are valid from an academic standpoint, as trivia maybe, but the show is better because of these nitpicks. Adaptations fall apart when they try too hard to be "faithful" to the source material. Your aim is to make the best show on the screen, not be as faithful as possible, so changes that get you the best scene on the screen are right. Every excellent adaptation had that in common. The idea that the more faithful the adaptation is the better is absolutely false.
Is this guy an expert? He seems very knowledgeable but I don't know his credentials.
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I see why they left out yabu and toranaga crossing their pee streams off the wall LOL. Youre analysis is great man as always, i agree the switcharoo was too obvious the wall guards would have seen. And I doubt Buntaro is dead even tho he didnt swim out like the book from what i remember. We need the arrow into the post scene! Its tough with the bonding and the pacing but i think Clavell would be proud.
Buntaro survives because :
1)We didn't see him die on-screen,
2)We can clearly see him in the battle sequence in the trailer, identiyiable his helmet with the double Cresent behind Toronaga. And also minor close-up shots we haven't seen yet.
I believe this whole thing in making it seem like Buntaro died, is a way to let Mariko get romantic with Blackthorn while keeping her hands clean, thinking her husband is dead. Which would be an unnecessary change to the source material. But perhaps this change is needed to please the "modern audience".
I appreciate your knowledge, expertise, and commentary. You have a cool vocal tone and story telling voice:)
I love & appreciate your constructively critical, honest reviews❤️📝
Nitpicking is fine. Just try to remember that when nitpicking to compare this show with the book or previous show and not the real version, because this is an adaptation of the historical fiction and not trying to be the true history.
I know the flaming arrows gonna be brought up, and yes it is silly trope but it is needed cuz no way you can see the action.
Still feeling a bit rushed, especially as all of a sudden he is granted Hatamoto status, which the significance of was hugely glossed over. I missed the crazy hornpipe from Blackthorn, I think he would have gotten away with that crazy act (as in the book) more than berating an enemy and making him lose face. I did enjoy it though, there was a good level of tension
The audiobook is about 52 hours long. They're having to compress that into 10 hours of television. It's not going to be perfect.
@@Libertyskin This is one reason the original miniseries had to cut so much. Yes, also because the awareness of Japanese culture people had at the time (read: not much) but Shogun's a huge book with a ton of POV switches.
Well, I think that’s fine because it may be part of the story that Blackthorne will need to learn the significance and what it means to be Hatamoto. Since he’s as oblivious as most of the audience.
Yes, it means he's become a high ranking samurai.
@@nolancummings9590 interesting way to look at it. A great idea if that's the take they go for
I like the part where the Black ship crushed throught the blockade of boats whereas the smaller Japanese ship would have been boarded. While there are bigger Japanese ships, it showed the technological difference between a country that has territory around the world vs. a country that is mostly isolated. I don't think Japanese ships could make a trip across the Pacific, they don't look like they even have the tools to navigate the ocean.
i'm glad Shogun is airing cos it finally made me tackle Sekiro. Before i couldn't really get into it. Cos i really need to be in a historical period type of sphere to play these types of games that are set in a certain period and that are very difficult to get a hang off. So right now i'm also checking the videos on you Channel to learn more of Japanese history and the history of the Samurai to get me more pumped. I really like Shogun thus far and you reviews are great thnx
I have not seen the original show, or read the book. So I am going into this series only with my limited knowledge of historical events.
I was left rolling my eyes a little bit at some of your complaints about the previous episodes, mostly because you were comparing things to the source material, whether or not they actually made sense. Mariko being cold to John after she had to listen to all those negative things about the catholics, makes a lot of sense. Her faith was being challenged by this stranger to her land and way of life. Telling people of faith that they are wrong and have been manipulated tends not to go well. Regardless of how she was in previous portrayals, this makes complete sense given her situation.
But I agree in that I am happy that now they have had more chances to talk and understand each other. Giving her reason to warm up to him.
Toranaga being in the middle of the fight makes sense when you consider he was in the carrier when they were ambushed. It was hit with several flaming arrows, so he kinda had to get out. It seems unlikely that he would flee and give orders as if it was a proper army VS army on an open field situation.
The only real issue I've had is with a lot of the armour. It's basically an approximation of Samurai armour. Lacing in weird places, lames of weird shapes, and decorative bits in completely the wrong areas. But this is something that only a few people would really notice. I know some people who are letting these details ruin the entire experience for them.
Overall I am loving this series. The characters are compelling and fun. I definitely feel like we are going to get more bonding moments between Blackthorn and Toranaga, given the swimming scene at the end of the episode. I can't wait to see what comes next.
The ending seemed dreamlike to me, as if he was going to wake up on the other boat starving and it was an illusion. I am assuming i am wrong based on the comments here and not having read the book but that is the feeling i got. Mainly because of the lighting and also how perfect and happy everyone in the scene was.
I was upset that backthorn didn't flip out when he was offered a boy
I imagine most of us were waiting for that to happen haha
@@TheShogunate so far it seems like if the main issue with the original series was the lack of the Japanese perspective. it seems that the main issue with this series is the lack of blackthorns perspective the exact opposite problem. Because every toranaga, yabu or the others lords are on screen it's great I'm loving it. But whenever blackthorn is on screen I'm like we're that scene go or I don't like how they handled that part. But I do like that they made an English dub gives me an excuse to watch each episode again.
He did retort with a "oh god wtf kind of place am I in rn". Maybe a 2 second version of a flip out
I was bracing for that flip out too... But the sex in the book vs the series is definitely de emphasized.
@@LV_SL it still wasn't enough lol i know they toned it down in an attempt to make blackthorn more likeable. but still i would perfer him to be completely irate flipping tables and yelling at everyone.
Blackthorn serve no master before coming to Japan?
Wasn't William Adam a sailor under Sir Francis Drake before he sail his own ship?
I mean.... He was there when Spanish armada was on their way to invade England. He fighting alongside Francis against the Spanish. Probably why he knows a lot of stuff.
Yeah felt weird when he said 'I serve no master'
I'm English, but I have quite a strong feeling if any englishman from the 1600's was asked 'what Lord do you serve?' They would of answered with whatever king/queen sat the throne before he left
@@scottwallace5239 he said I have no lord, maybe they're referring to the title in a literal sense, he definitely has a queen which he mentions so maybe he's taking the lord title as a sense of someone he serves directly as they do. Also if he was in the navy and he served under drake that wouldn't make drake his lord per say, just the admiral or captain he's under and therefore he wouldn't be beholden to him the same way as vassal would be to a lord.
I think it meant he wasn't directly compelled to leave his family in the same way she was
Yeah I get it. Working under an entitled pirate captain still feels like working with a pirate. Probably why William never acknowledged Francis Drake as a noble lord.
I think people's issue is that these Japan history/ culture enthusiasts don't seem to see it from a artistic or dramatic point of view at all Accuracy will not always align. There are decisions made for the sake of the story and visuals(like flaming arrows) that will not align with accuracy. Its just good to see both side of it since this is historical fiction. And it all seems to be done to flex knowledge.
You’re doing a great job! My go to for this show. In a sea of UA-cam channels, yours is the best one. Thank you!
There was something nagging at me about Mariko in this version and after watching the 3rd episode I think I figured out what it is. It’s nothing major but what it is, is her English…it is without any Japanese accent. In the 1980 version the actress Yoko Shimada (RIP) in my opinion sounded exactly as I recall speaking English to the many Japanese I encountered in my career and trips to Japan, good English but with a distinctive Japanese accent. I think the difference is that this Mariko (Anna Sawai) was born and spent her first years in New Zealand.
The episode was fine. I understand that the final scene (daylight on the boat) set up up a lot and had a lot of meaning in the multiple relationships going on, but what I really want to say is it looked very unconvincing cinematography-wise. It seemed very sound-stage + green screen. Tight shots of the boat without any visual pop.
I was actually wondering if your opinion of Sanada's portrayal of Toranaga has changed since your review of the first two episodes.
I get it, yes, they are jumping a bit, but it’s to be expected in only 10 episodes… yet I don’t feel like they are taking too much away from the source material, they still manage to keep a sense of high stakes and tension throughout, can’t wait for next ep…
I am having a blast with this show. Love the reviews, keep being you.. it's ok to have "nitpicks" and differents opinion y'know.
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I'm curious that we still have 7 episodes left. With people talking about it being rushed, how much is there still?😅
There is quite a lot left but obviously this early part is the most essential to establishing the characters and the stakes.
Although I agree about the fire arrows that feels like one you can probably give up the ghost on, Hollywood loves their flaming arrows baby.
Annoyingly.
Kevin Costner has entered the chat 😂
Nice, let's watch fight in the darkness. I'm sure audience will like it
@@beden653You could just have an ambush not at night.
@@404Dannyboythat would be a very bad ambush
Great review. Glad to see someone knows the difference between critiquing a series and just crapping on it.
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Thank you, along for an interesting ride
Exactly...your review is your take! Yours...i dislike when people try to down play a opinion...when you actually have your opinion without condescending anyone's opinion
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This is probably way out in left field, but I noticed that we did not see Buntaro actually die? Last bit was him falling back into a building with the attackers in front of him. I rewound just to confirm what I saw. Just asking........?
He probably didn't die cause if he would have he would have died on screen Idk though
Yoshisugu othani looked pretty sick with his leprocy (obviously not him but the guy based off of him)
I think what some called "nitpicking" is legitimate criticism. Edit: yes I also noticed and thought to myself that Mariko fighting was strange, although I never saw the adaptation or read the book prior, now it make sense.
I love this show.. I’m about to start the book!!! I’m really interested in samurai culture!!!
Thing with flaming arrows is that they look good and TV is after all a visual medium.
The point of flaming arrows in film is usually to give a diegetic excuse for the lighting of a nighttime fight scene, as far as I've seen.
I'm an amateur historian but I know little about Japan in this era apart from reading Clavell's book 30 years ago. I have to say I'm really enjoying it, despite Mariko's unrealistic fighting skills (does anyone believe that high born ladies were trained in this?). I love your nitpicking, keep it up. I'm a new sub.
in japan in this period, yes. they're expected to defend the castle. they often use nagatama/ pole arm for longer reach instead of strength. also, the person based on Mariko was considered to be last of the Matsuhide clan (the guy in the flashback in ep2 was her father [betrayed oda nabonaga] and performed seppuku once captured by an enemy [the dying old man in the first flashback in ep2]). killing her meant the end of your miserable life. this point was used historically. she got real plot armor.
Yes I noticed that too and thought that it was kind of immersion breaking, because it was hard to suspend my disbelief.
@@m33p0 Being expected to defend a fixed location =/= rushing into battle and taking out a number of professional soldiers.
@@No1Knows that is not even the same question. these women even have a name - onna-musha.
I know some people don't think women can do anything but this wasn't unrealistic. Women in Japan were trained to fight. There's also a reason the spear/pole arm was much more common on the battlefield than the katana.
A woman trained to use a spear will often win against a man with a sword. Much like a bow will beat a spear or katana from a distance.
It's not always about strength.
I’m loving this show so far. I’ve never read the books or anything. I’m hoping the show keeps going the way it is! The banter between the two pilots was great hope Rodriguez ends up becoming an ally
6:06 to be fair samurai wives even if they werent onna bugeisha were expected to be competent with a naginata
Ive read the book 5 times. It is my favorite. The opening scene with Yabu is much better in the book. So are the scenes with Buntaro. I didnt like Naga arguing with Ishido in stead of him. I liked the change you mentioned, with Blackthorne saving Toranaga's disguise. I love seeing the council interactions that the book only mentions. A lot of the acting is good, and the cinematography os great. I refuse to dislike the show, but the book is twice as good imo
It’s basically impossible to beat a book in a limited series especially one as good as shogun
I like e3 and I like your reviews. Thank you.
Without flaming arrows I'm pretty sure you could not film the scene as it would be pitch black.... I guess you could film during the day? but that would cause more questions as to how the enemy could get that close without being noticed ETC
I enjoy it, but I think that the fact they need to compress everything on 8 episodes makes that some scenes feel a little bit rushed. Especially the way on which Blackthorne gains the confidence of Toranaga. Saying that, they had made a great work so far, given the time constraints
They discuss the women fighting skills in the show‘s official podcast. Trusting that they got their historic research right, I think it’s a great source of getting some background information for each episode.
The writing and direction of this episode felt like a lower standard then the first two..but still great and we have different writers and directors for each episode so it's not the end of the world
Also they just jammed this blossoming romance between blackthrone and his translator right down our throats this episode like no subtlety no intrigue just shoving it into our faces..I don't like that. I didn't like the blatant cut from them escaping the forrest to just being at the docks...just a semi poorly directed/written episode. They need to hold these devs to a higher standard or make sure you get devs with a higher pedigree
I'm in that weird situation of wanting to comment, but really not being able to. You are basically my eyes on this series at present. I will say your generally positive review to date is making me look even more forward toward my eventual viewing of this series. Your description of the interactions between Blackthorn and Ishido's forces sounds like a far more realistic distraction than that performed by Richard Chamberlain in the original mini series. I'm glad your picking nits in this series review because bluntly thats what I hoped you would do. I'm just experiencing sever FOMO at the moment, which your reviews are somewhat alleviating. ありがとう ございます
I'm really excited to hear your thoughts too when you finally are able to see it!
Such a huge story to condense that there is bound to be omitted andor shortened scenes. Does make for fine online discussion however.
I really enjoyed the scene when Buntaro stayed on the dock, and Toranaga yells out his name. It was a powerful moment that I would love to know if something like that ever happened IRL. From my understand a Lord wouldn't yell out his Samuri's name as encouragement or respect.
It was still a powerful TV moment and humanized both Buntaro and Toranaga. Much more for Buntaro than the original show did. In that show he was utterly evil and distasteful. Sorry i read the book decades ago and cant remember it.
5:40 i disagree w this gripe. not only do they look cool which is probably the main reason, but just basing it off of what I know about history, the arrows were probably used to set things on fire like you said but also so they could see their enemies. In a night setting nobody truly has the advantage during an ambush when the target is that large, and a lit up battlefield helps show where everyone is.
I was a bit dismayed that you have to start a review video explaining that your review will contain your opinion. Moving on from that, I found this to be a solid review and I agree this episode really fleshed out several characters more.
It’s what UA-camrs have to do. 😂😂😂 I laughed at his intro.
I am really enjoying the series and your reviews so far. What would be really interesting and very cool would be if at the end of the series if you would make like a big review with also the historical aspect to it. Compared to the book and also reality. How much is real what did they compare it too. What would really be a nice watch if you ask me. Also with the accuracy of battletactics and the castles and such.
I at first had thought it was "for no reason", but actually the reason is obvious, it's because I watched your videos about the series. I ended starting the watching and by episode 2 had decided that I'll watch until the end.
Don't know about the story, is good enough for me, but the production values are seriously impressive!
The costumes are amazing!
EDIT: about lacking interaction between Torunaga and Anjin, I think it makes more sense, feels "credible" to me. I would find it hard to see someone of the status of Torunaga to be "bonding" with the so called Anjin immediately, specially when Torunaga has so many problems to deal with. Other characters accuse him of giving too much attention to this foreigner exactly for this reason, but it's all for his plans, the Anjin is just a tool that he is trying to find use to help escape he situation he is in. It's only after Torunaga witness the Anjin acting on his own a few times and showing his personal valor that he starts to act different and more personal with him.
I threw in a like simple for you not backing down for giving your opinion. If someone only wants to hear positive things that only things that match their views, they will live a boring stagnant life.
Going for all shows/movies, we MUST be sure to point out the issues we see. As the creators will not be able to improve if they think everything is perfect.
I think flame arrow could make sense if you want to burn the area and create discord. it all depends on the intention.
I never understood samurai loyalty until the scene were Torinaga bows to Buntaro
Love your content, but you might want to reread the book. Mariko is trained. It's not just near the end of the book that she fights. After the ambush, in the struggle to take the ship from the grays, she fights. And I believe she kills someone.
Here's my thoughts: It's a flawed but good episode.
My primary issues with this was of course the use of the flaming arrows. In a show that prides itself in being authentic, it feels like a bad move. On the other hand, I will praise them for actually making armour work. When I listened to the podcast, the action director directly stated that they would not accept any wounds or deaths via going through the armour like normal western media. They even had a chant against it if they caught it being done on set. Another issue I have is the dock scene, as it felt out of place for all of the people to stop for the warrior's farewell when they were trying to kill the English man. They should had found a more natural way instead. Additionally to my understanding most people see this death as some fakeout, and that he will likely return. Again they should not use cliches as it undermines death. If he's to live, physically show him being captured. This is meant to be a mature and serious show, not another generic disney star wars fake out.
To come to the defense to them on some points; It made sense for Blackthorne to race the black ship because if he just tailed along (as some have suggested), he would be boarded and killed. And keep in mind that the Portuguese Captain does all he can short of firing his cannons to keep that man in the harbour. Also I don't take offence to the Toda Mariko knowing how to fight because some Samuari women were trained for self-defense and this was no doubt a justifiable case. I'll be annoyed if she just regularly fights like a normal Samuari because it was still rare for there to be frontline female fighters and to my understanding her character wasn't like that in the books. Also the downplaying of Blackthorne reaction to the male companion was likely a behind the scenes thing. The studio would likely react hashly if their hero character for their highest ever budget show broke modern norms. Additionally as this was filmed in Canada, I imagine the laws on social matters in Canada would warrant a response against the studio.
So this was an good episode, not prefect, but still high quality and worthly of being a great show.
(And if anyone is wondering how I, someone from aboard knows all about this. It's because I'm have legally seen the show via reaction videos, reading the wikia, and following the official podcast)
Unreal show just watched the history about tokugawa shogunate absolute legend he made Nihon what it is today plus the meji restoration 🙏🏾💯
I'm feeling the rush too. Lots of cut stuff but still pretty good for an adaptation.
Another good episode. My only gripe on your opinion, is that I loved seeing the Naginata use by Mariko. Google Onna Bugeisha...women warriors was a thing. It only showed her to be better than some Ashigaru.... It didnt show her against a skilled Samurai. Would like to see it.
Nit picking can be annoying if someone blasts what they are nitpicking just because of them without saying anything else. But that's not what we have here. You are praising what you enjoyed, and then getting to the little details that could have used improvement. That's constructive criticism, in the effect that nits lead to lice and need to be picked. Didn't bother me at all and was glad to see it here in detail. I enjoyed the two episodes I have seen and your take on it.
I liked the episode quite a bit. It had good pacing and lots of character work. It might not be my favorite of the three thus far, but not but much of a margin.
The bantering between Blackthorn and the translator as well as he and the Portuguese pilot was fun. The escape and the fight were entertaining.
Sanada lends elegance, restraint, and fortitude to the character. A wise take at keeping his ‘heart hidden if he wants to survive’.
I enjoyed this episode as well. Thought it was hilarious when he called the doctor a “Warlock” 😂
I'll watch these when the season is over 👍🏻
Mariko’s (Hosokawa Gracia) husband, Toda Hirokatsu (Hosokawa Tadaoki) should be alive according to original history. I havent read the novel so no idea if they changed it. He fights with the eastern army and dies quite late due to old age. Rare for someone to live for 82 years in that era
For someone who didn’t read the book (or didn’t even know there was a book), this episode was frkin 🔥. Damn near cried when Buntaro knew he was gonna die and bowed to Torunaba. This episode reminded me of GoT
hey shogunate, if u where to have any samurai armor what would u have?
Probably some form of Tosei Gusoku
nice@@TheShogunate
But I meant from a lord.@@TheShogunate
@@TheShogunatewhat’s the chest plate called?
@@michaelthepizzahuman Then probably Kato Kiyomasa perhaps
Great review, although I did not like this episode at all! They've made several changes that could decrement the story in a worry some way. The Buntaro story line got messed up, the importance on how he give anjin the hatamoto status, the discussion with Fujiko, how Rodriguez saves Anjin from getting captive in the Portuguese vessel (it was not the Black Ship in the book), how Rodriguez gives Anjin a weapon, the importance of swimming for Toranaga, the blockade boats from Ishido, not from the christian damyo, etc. I was also annoyed that they let a great moment of tension slip through their fingers by making a guard to be the last check point instead of Ishido. I was super excited with the first two episodes, but the third one, oh my, this could be the start of a catastrophic u turn.
The one issue I have had so far, and especially with this episode, is how Blackthorn is portrayed as being more passive. This is not a negative for me, and I hope he will become more proactive in the series. But so far he has just been just reacting to events. While in the book he lept in and took charge where he could. It was a battle of wits between him and Toranaga. In the chase, he used guns, but loosing them is fine. What I think hurt his character a bit was how he just reacted to being driving towards the rocks. In the book he deliberately changes course to run towards the Black Ship, forcing the issue. And Rodrigues is the one who relents. This has been happening all along,. Like when the assassin attacks, he overpowers him in the book instead of staring in disbelief. Or how it was his idea to draw the map. Again, not a major issue. But I will be a little disappointed if he never steps-up by the end of the series.
I think you should just do full spoiler reviews. As if anyone watches the review to then decide whether they want to continue. (At least after episode 3). Also maybe I'm acoustic but pls, I can with the background music. Great content otherwise. Looking forward to next week
Had too google "hatamoto" to see what honor that was to blackthorn. The diving swimming part confused me a little like why did have make him dive so many times? Was it to tire him out first before the race to shore? Was a little worried they kept saying they want it to be authentic and didn't want it to be too much a documentary but they did a nice job still telling a story.
In the book Blackthorn teaches Toranaga and Mariko how to dive. They don’t get it straight away, belly flopping etc. they are also naked and much is made of how that nakedness isn’t anything to Japanese.
AS A 5YR RESIDENT OF JAPAN AND A READER OF ALL OF CLAVELL'S MAJOR WORKS, I SEE THINGS SIMILARLY TO YOUR POV!
This drama is not 100% faithful to Japanese culture. However, I can see that the creator is trying his best to make it 100%. This is something that hasn't been seen in past dramas or movies. There were great movies like The Last Samurai, but unfortunately they were different from Japanese culture and history. I respect the creator of this drama, SHOGUN.
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Just saw episode 3 and oh Lord i am so hooked with Shogun its a masterpiece ☦️💪😎🇬🇷
I thought this episode was really slow and the fight scenes were nothing short of terrible which is strange because the assassination scene from 2 and even the beheading clip from 1 was great. The fight in the ambush looked like a practice run rather than a final cut. Still I am looking forward to 4
Buntaro didn't receive a glorious final stand death scene and because of that I'm assuming he'll be back. Even though he is a jerk towards Mariko, I do like how he stood by his lord until the very end.
Yeees the fact that we don't see it is very important
Makes so much more sense for him to have an outburst about manners rather than just pretending to be crazy. Realistically someone pretending to be crazy comes across as someone pretending to be crazy to cause a distraction, it doesn't actually work as a distraction because it looks like a distraction.
True, but keep in mind that the Japanese already thought Anjin was a bit bizarre in his customs and behavior, so he could play on their prejudice to actually appear insane without it being too far-fetched.
I think that the changes in Mariko's demeanor are because Sanada-san is trying for more authenticity than Clavell portrayed not just in the clothing, food and architecture, etc. but also in the culture of the time. They are trying to give us a feel of Japan at that time, and the Samurai of the Sengoku Jidai period were of necessity a hard and brutal people.
Is it so inconceivable that Toranaga would have needed to fight during an ambush??? The very nature of ambushes are to take a force by surprise so him needing to fight sort of makes sense really
90 pound Mariko is one bad ass naginata wielding badass. 😆 I read the book back in the day and watched the OG Shogun as well and I was confused at times during this episode. What exactly was the boat race all about? How exactly did Ishido expect the ring of tiny boats to block the large Portuguese ship? I will continue watching but I wonder if the general audience interests is fading.
The fishing boats weren't Ishido's, they were Kiyama's. Ishido even reprimanded Kiyama for engaging in military actions in and around his city. But neither Kiyama nor Ishido expected the little boats to stop the Portuguese ship; they expected them to stop Toranaga's smaller ship (most likely only long enough to take Anjin prisoner in exchange for safe passage for Toranaga, as it was Ishido who wanted to stop Toranaga from leaving, whereas Kiyama only wanted Anjin). Anjin then, against everyone's (including Toranaga's) expectations, manipulated the situation so that the Portuguese ship would break the blockade for him as he commanded Toranaga's ship and he would then coast on through. Toranaga hitching a ride on the Portuguese ship wasn't counted on by Kiyama or Ishido.
I also feel like they are rushing trough some important parts. I understand that, since they have a budget and limited episodes to tell the story. For example i really loved the Buntaro scene from the book, where he was preparing to commit sepuku, instead of fighting his enemies, because he might get captured in the proccess. The way Blackthorn was refusing to understand that, how it is possible for the Japanese people to just accept it and even getting very angry at them. Also the Hashimoto status, like you said in the video, and many more things that portrait the HUGE difference between their cultures. All those things would bring contrast so we can really feel the leaps Blackthorns' character is making in the future by embracing the Japanese culture.
I kinda miss the historical fact check of 17th japan, already missed it last episodes
Overall good episode, but at least till the middle it got me a little worried.
Nit picking is only bad when it is used to disregard all the positives in the episode. Pointing out historical facts like the use of fire arrows in combat is fine. But since this is historical fiction that must be taken into account. So long as you approach a review with objective analysis and judge the work fairly and without bias. You've done a good job with that and I've enjoyed your critiques of this show.
I'm 4 episodes in, I think Mariko picking up a naginata and fighting can just be explained away with "its a show in 2024, gotta have shoehorned girlpower shit" though granted its no where near as cringe worthy and in your face about it as most other stuff nowadays. I'm not gonna hold my breath on them explaining when and how she learned to fight.
I watched episode 3 also and I actually like the nitpicking, and agree many parts are rushed, but overall I liked the episode finally got some action also, yes flaming arrows kind of gave the enemy away but how would u know what was going on without any light also they like Shogunate stated they may have been trying to destroy the carriage thing forgot the name.
My only issue with some reviews is the nitpick on what actually happened in history when the entire thing is a work of fiction. There are not too many historical fiction works that are not based on real events, but they are not biopics. Yes I'm aware biopics contain fictitious events and dialogue, but they deserve more nitpicks and corrections based on how they are originated.
However I do like this review as it sticks to what the show presents.
I don't think you really reviewed the show in your last vid, and I stopped watching it. I haven't read the book, and all I kept hearing was criticism of how it differed from the book. It's not a review at that point, it's just a comparison, which is your right to do on your channel.
Regardless, I enjoyed this one as you did what I enjoyed about your other content: you discuss historical aspects and your opinion on how they're represented.
What your take about Buntaro at the pier? Why Toranaga's pursuer waiting him, rather than trying overwhelm him outright? Is that some kind sense of honour?
Yeah I'm not sure why they did not just swarm him. But there's more that we come to find out about what happens
Awesome show
I really liked this episode. The fire arrows thing I did think was a negative, though. Yes, I get that it's to make the fight more visible for the audience, but couldn't that have been done more naturally by having the fight take place under the light of a full moon or something? Like you said, the use of fire arrows exposes the exact position of the attackers. Also, there's no reason why they would have been trying to set the palanquins on fire, as they didn't yet know that Lord Toranaga was being smuggled out in one of them. If anything, due to believing that the Lady Kiri was in one of them, they would have wanted to avoid damaging the palanquins at all, because killing a member of the heir's family would have been a serious crime. So yes, I think that scene was very poorly thought out, and the fight could have been realistically made visible for the audience in more intelligent ways. But that's my only real gripe with the episode. On the whole I really loved it. And I agree about Mariko warming up and Sawai Anna coming to better embody the character, I think she's turning out really well. The interaction between Anjin and Rodriguez was good too, although sadly I don't think this Rodriguez will ever really outshine the Rodriguez of the original series, who had such great charisma. As for the interactions between Anjin and Lord Toranaga, I think that now that they're out of the dangerous situation they were in in Osaka, there will be more time to flesh out their relationship. Oh, one last comment, I loved Toda Hiromatsu in that scene where he handed in Lord Toranaga's resignation and was quietly gloating to the Council. That was glorious.
I feel like this episode they turned it into a Samurai Warriors version here, pretty well done tho.
Thankfully they haven't decided on a Sengoku Basara version
I did have a big expectation after seeing all the 10/10 review's... Till now, I give it a 7/10 max! They're still doing the dark rainy moody atmosphere, I understand it from cinematic point of view, but they stretch it too much for my taste, in the rising sun country it's kind of a miss. About missing opportunity, I was disappointed that they didn't use "classic" music or instruments for the score, it sounds too much modern for my taste too. There is so much richness in that cultural period, that was a miss.
I agree too, they rush too much the story forwards, I noticed that since ep 1, what's bad about that is that we didn't have time to care or be attached to the characters.. There's a big lack of intimacy with the main characters. In the 80's tv show, Mariko sama and Fujiko sama were two loved characters, we care about them and all, but now I still don't have any strong feeling towards those characters after 3 episodes. Like the fact that Toranaga named Anjin ( his not even Anjin san!) Hatamoto on the fly! And was not even a samurai yet, his now Hatamoto. The lack of explanation or to make us viewer's to very well understand the manner's or the way things work in Japan from Blackthorn point of view, didn't help us to understand or care for his behaviours or the choices he makes, him as most of the main characters also. The fact that he's quickly very close with Toranaga is kind of annoying, because we didn't have to see Blackthorn ascension to him, as it was showed in the 80's adap which was more elaborated, I find it disappointing. Which also didn't help to see or understand the big deal concerning the main plot... At this point, Shogun 2024, it's more the missing in his story telling the issue than the costumes, that are beautiful as the sets they build that are very good. I still have the intention to watch all the episodes, let's hope things will be "corrected" as the character's "issues" and the plot getting some reinforcement! :)
Dude, have you ever been to Japan? They say it's almost winter, so late fall is pretty dreary looking
I definitely found the filming location in Canada being very noticeable and distracting as you did lol
So far I am enjoying the show, some things I like more than the 80s version, others less so.
If I were directing the forest battle sequence and if I absolutely HAD to include Mariko's engagement in the combat, I would have it happen at the very end.
>Blackthorne has his back turned while fighting one of the attackers and is about to get stabbed
>sound of a blade slicing through flesh or seeing it tear through the attacker's neck
>attacker falls and reveals Mariko as the one who killed him
>that's her first and only kill so far (that we see)
It would let her save Blackthorne's life and further establish a connection between while making clear she isn't the type to just recklessly charge into the fray and go head-to-head with armed men.
I disagree. That would be way too cliche. I like that Blackthorne is kinda just standing around not knowing exactly what to do. He is an experienced pilot, but not a melee warrior.
@@coltfan1726 What are you talking about, he was actively involved in the combat.
So far so good my only nit pick is that I wish mariko English wasn’t so good like she sounds American I want to hear more of a Japanese accent
The actress is a bilingual New Zealander.
I do not think lack of an accent is too big of a problem since she should be speaking Portuguese anyway, which I think is easier for Japanese to pronounce than English.
There is a reason modern day soldiers use tracer fire at night.