600 Mile Service for an R1250GS oil change, rear spline lube, and rear drive gear oil change
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- Опубліковано 11 кві 2021
- I was not interested in paying $450 for the dealer to do my 600 mile service for my new R1250GS. So I performed the service myself. I changed the main engine oil and filter, and also dropped the rear end and lubed the rear spline, and changed the gear oil in the rear drive.
Rear Diff 180ml
Loctite LB 8012 for splines
Cantilever bolt 56nm - 41.3LB FT
Drain plug 20nm - 14.7LB FT
Fill plug 20nm - 14.7LB FT
Brake caliper 24nm - 17.7LB FT
ABS sensor 5nm - 3.68LB FT
Lug bolts 44.25LB FT
Thanks again
Used my GS911 tool to reset the oil minder
Dude you are a Master BMW Motorrad mechanic, I 1000% doubt BMW would try to question any of your skills. Way to go BRAVO 👏🏽
I don't even have a GS, but I enjoyed watching this video anyway.
Thanks.
Mine reached 600 mi and I also think 400 bucks is too much. The user manual says we should only do oil change by 600 miles but after watching this video with that dark oil coming out and some metal debris I will definetly do the same you did and also by myself. This is a duper bike and taking good care of it is crucial.
Thank you so much for the video. Very well done!
Good rides!
Awesome video and thanks for posting it. As a 2021 1250GS owner and being sick and tired of the poor and expensive BMW service here in Germany I‘ll do all this stuff myself as soon as the warranty period is over. Iwill keep on coming back to your channel for more informative and great content. Keep itup and ride safe!
Amazing that even in Germany it's hard to find good BMW service.
Nice job, excellent video! Thanks for taking the time to share, much appreciate!
Thank you for this video. Just picked up my 2022 Adventure, your video will help me save money from the dealer's charges.
Your spline looks great, I've seen other vids like this where it's dry and rusty after only a few hundred miles. Thanks for the video
Nice but you only lubed one end of the drive shaft the other end connecting to the gearbox output shaft also requires doing
Perfect quality and clear explanations was all I needed. Thank you !
Thanks. Glad I could help.
Saving to buy one, so every little helps and this is truly an awesome video lesson that I will keep it saved, well done and thank you for sharing it!! 👍👍
Really nice torque wrench. Haven't seen one of those. Nice video. The rear end maintenance of these bikes can be a little intimidating but you made it look easy. Thanks.
Thanks for sharing! Love the close ups & T sizes info. I'm ready to save some money!
Awesome video and very detailed 👌. I guess changing the oil and filter is easy but the final drive quite challenging.
Fortunately rarely needed.
This is one of the best videos of gs I have ever seen, and I seen them all!!! 👍🏻
Thanks!!
Great diy, thank you.
Thank you for the tip on the screwdriver being the oil cap removal tool. Just picked up my bike and thought to myself “how the heck am I supposed to get that off”
My 2007 had the same exact cap but an aftermarket seat so the screwdriver was gone. So I had to open it with a makeshift tool which was challenging.
Excellent video. Thanks for the detail 😎 (re the oil filter, just use the nut for removal only. It’s why people complain of leaks)
i have a 2009 gs but it was great to see this procedure done when i get the new 1250 gs. Thanks
I just sold my 2007 to get this one. Worthy upgrade.
You did an excellent job and helped me out. Thank you for this video!
Saved this video for later use! Thank you so much!
Thank you. Excellent Video. I'm just at the point of getting a 2nd hand R1250GS and plan to do the services myself as I do with my current Yamaha XJR1300.
Very informative...thanks for posting...after n5 years off...that really helps to get my head into the bike...new 2021 Rallye expected this month.
1500km was my first oil change...6000km on the bike now.
FYI. I found 60cc (60ml) syringes at tractor supply - 2 for 6 bucks. Might be a little easier than the 10ml syringe you're using. Great video and info. Well presented.
After I did this I found I had 20cc syringes I bought to transfer herbicide. Oh well. They even had a better tip.
Good stuff. Don't forget to give the brake pedal a couple of pumps after having disturbed the caliper.
I think the best part of any video is the comment section. All the brainpower used to correct every minute of the video. Seriously now. I do all my own maintenance. I have for years. I use oil that is rated for the application and usually not the bike brand. I like amsoil so I use it in everything. Do some research. Most oil filters are made by one or two manufacturers so as long as there is a cross reference I'll get whatever fits. I try for K&N because of the nut on the end of the filter. As far as the cost vs doing it yourself, I take some pride in knowing how to do things myself and am not afraid of getting my hands dirty. There's a lot of satisfaction in doing it yourself. Cost is irrelevant. I can afford it but would rather do it myself. Cars, trucks, moto, lawnmower. Whatever.
Excellent detailed video!
thank you for sharing, I’m about a ride away from this service, like you, I’m having a hard time justifying 480 for my dealership to do this service.
You're a brave man. I don't have the guts to wear a $7,000 Panerai watch while I wrench on my GS. Kudos to you ;)
It’s ceramic so it will never scratch. Much better than a metal watch.
Thanks! I’m picking up a new R1250RS in a couple days!
Great video, thanks for sharing 👍🏻
Run the bike until warm so the oil drains more efficiently.
You could drain the sump whilst changing the final drive oil.
Reinstalling bolts with old thread locker is a no-no. Threadlocker is anaerobic meaning it cures in the absence of air. It has cured and sealed already so brush it off and apply a couple of drops to the start of the thread.
Excellent video very well explained without rabbiting on about stuff that is nothing to do with the task in hand well done 👍 Great Tutorial which has given me the confidence to do my 600mile service rather than pay the Dealer £300 and they said it’s not necessary to replace the drive oil ??? When I said according to the book it should be replaced they said well that’s up to you 😫 in other words they don’t do it and your video clearly shows it’s important and needs to be done as the oil was Black 😉
So glad I was helpful, thanks for the feedback
Good video, lots of info :)
I know I'm late to the game on this video, but what a great little tutorial! Thorough yet concise, you covered it all. I just hit 600 miles on my '23 GSA, and like you, I will make a short video to memorialize the service. I don't need BMW balking should I have a warranty claim. The initial 600 mile oil change, final drive oil change/service is now pushing $500.00 at my dealership. I prefer doing my own work and taking the time to make certain it's done right. Just a shame that BMW will not provide for sale their service manuals to their customers. I have to wonder if this is in reaction to the US ruling that BMW & Harley can no longer void warranties if standard service is not conducted by authorized dealerships. Anyway, thanks for taking the time to produce and post this ...cheers!!!
Great video
Great, concise video. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Great and detailed video! Tks!
WOW.......one of the best videos I've seen for ANY instructions!!!! Great job!!! What torque wrench are you using??
Stay safe!
Fancy torque wrench lol. Thank you for the video!
Very good job 👏
Nice video. Appreciated
Great job
With out a doubt a great instruction video, thank you good sir!
My I ask what brand and model you use on your torque wrench?
Hey Jayelwin! I changed the final drive and engine oil in my 2022 R1250 GSA, as per your awesome video! Worked like a charm! No problems at all, and reviewed your video several times to get it right. You made this easy for me to change out the final drive and engine oil. It was the new 600 mile service that the dealer wanted $600! They also refused to reset the reminder display after doing it myself, so I just took an adventurous ride to a BMW dealer in another town and had an awesome time on a springtime Saturday. Now thanks to your video, I have the knowledge and tools to do this oil changing service every time. Will do! Thanks!
So great. there's an android app and a device you can google that will do the reset for you.
Great ideas using the usb cable.
Thank you 100 times over for making this video - it is awesome! I'm getting ready for the 600 mile maintenance on my 2022 GSA so this is super helpful. One question though: I know the final drive lube is highly recommended by the owner community, but is it part of the manufacturer's scheduled "break-in" service? The owner's manual is vague about what specifically is part of the "break-in service." I am definitely going to check the final drive lube, but not sure if it needs to be done in the 300 to 750 mile interval which is when the "break-in" service is required. Thanks!
Changing the final drive lube is definitely part of the 600 mile service. And when you remove the final drive lube you can see that it really does need to be changed.
Good vid, thanks for that. You don’t mention lubing the splines at the gearbox end of the drive shaft tho. You would need to remove the shaft for that.
yeah, definitely not a "routine service" item.
Other vids I've watched definitely lube gearbox end of driveshaft too...I recommend that too.. 👌🏽
Thank you for the step by step instruction. Well done!👍🏾 Did you use the entire gallon jug? Also, did you get to cancel the service warning light?
Sorry, just saw the maintenance light fix on previous comment.
Perfect man, i liked....
Awesome Video! Clutch operation ok? Usually motorcycle specific engine oil has different additives for the wet clutch. T6 have them?
Nice thank you
Great video. Did you do the splines at the front also? There is a second uni joint etc... up front.
I got the same oil and filter on my 2022 S1000xr. Oil on walmart and cyclegear on the KN filter 😂
I noticed even the watch. I have the black seal ceramic
Just a nice trick... When removing the oil filter, try using aluminum foil vs. a towel. Easy and a bit cleaner ;)
I like your Vespa
Thanks for this step by step instruction. It looks like you have a Corbin saddle. How do you like it on this bike? I have put Corbins on all my bikes but was not happy with the FTR saddle.
So I replaced the stock with a Sargent and after 400 miles really didn’t like it and thought it was no better. So I got this Corbin and feel it is much better. Also leather. All around better seat. Seats are funny gotta try a bunch. My 2007 has a saddlemen. It’s not 100% perfect either.
Great video, just in time as I service my 1250GSA, just wanted to know what brand and model is your torque wrench? Care to send a url link--thanks for sharing
Awesome! How do you turn off the service warning after you completed maintenance? Do you use some kind computer plug to tell that service was done?
OBDLink XL and the MotoScan Android app
Hi. Thanks for the video! Isn’t it 42 nm to tighten drain bolt? Regards.
Great video! How did you go about resetting your service due indicator? Thanks
Never thought there were that many steps to service the final drive.No wonder they charge $400.The fluids and filter are probably over $100 bucks alone.😳
Appreciate this, but it won't get you out of voiding the warranty unless you're a BMW certified mc mechanic. At least, according to the dealer that's how they roll. I don't use dealer service for anything, due to years of shitty results with cars and bikes. Taking my chances and hoping the engineering and quality control won't put me in the rare situation where I might need to use the warranty. Figure I'll contact BMW directly if I do and hope they have mercy.
Didn't know that you can perform service by yourself and warranty still remain valid. Greetings from 🇨🇭
Could be an issue in Switzerland. But in the US it is not.
Also using non-genuine parts (oil filter) is a big no-no for maintaining warranty in Australia 🇦🇺
@@donr62 that’s a shame. Really gives the brand a monopoly to charge a lot of money for parts if you’re forced to use them.
@@jayelwin to be fair to manufacturers, they shouldn’t have to pay the cost of an engine rebuild if one decides to use a cheap filter just as an example. Once you’re outside the warranty period you can do as you please.
Is that a Corbin saddle? If so how do you like it and did it raise your seat height. Thabks
Good video. Just a small point, I might have used a genuine BMW oil filter to help with any possible future engine warranty discussions and not giving the manufacturer an out.
The Magnuson-Moss warranty act specifically references aftermarket parts.
@@jayelwin You're lucky to have this protection. I'm in UK where we don't have this luxury. You obviously have a better government that looks after people. Thanks for the excellent video.
I have a personal dislike of K&N filters after I had one leak from the spot welds for the nut, I would use MANN filters as they make the oem filters for BMW. Other than that, great and informative video. I don't own a GS but one might be my next bike, a friend has a 2016 model and is not easy to keep up with on twisty/bumpy roads, I must get a ride on one.
And be sure to wear your Panerai while doing your oil change. . Nice bike and watch!
Thanks. I wear that watch around the house because it never gets any dings or dents as it is the ceramic model. It never patinas.
Missing:
- application of thread locker on the cantilever bolt
- replacement of crush washer on FD oil fill plug bolt
- cleaning and re-application of final drive boot sealant grease on mating surfaces
- replacement of crush washer on engine oil drain plug bolt
BMW also recommends replacement of the FD oil drain plug O-ring but as this bike is relatively new and if you didn't observe damage to the O-ring, you can clean and re-use.
If you're anal enough to grease cardan shaft rear splines at 600 miles, why didn't you pull the shaft and grease the front splines as well? They can seize -- which isn't as much of an issue for riding as it is when it comes time to replace the shaft. There was a stop-sale/safety recall on R1250GS bikes last year that requires dealers conduct a shaft test and FD housing drain-hole/vent install that you can't do at home. If you haven't had this performed, it takes about an hour. If your bike fails they'll replace your shaft. They'd be required to do the test and drain-hole/vent install if it hasn't been done yet and your bike was both in warranty and under 30K miles.
Also also, I'm assuming you're in the US and therefore are protected by the Magnusn-Moss Warranty Act. It's on the mfg to prove something you did wrong would void a warranty, so this video -- while informative to your viewers -- isn't required. Harley Davidson was in the news last Oct ('22) over this and lost their claims to void customer warranties over it, specifically in regards to regular maintenance such as this.
Very good video ..question for you is doing your maintenance will affect your warranty in case of a claim?
Not in the US. Europe maybe.
Excellent video. Thorough and efficient clip selection so it's not an hour long video haha. Just wondering, do they recommend adding threadlocker to any of those bolts?
I don’t think so. Just proper torque.
@@jayelwin one more question, did you replace any gaskets or crush washers? Or did you reuse them? Just wondering.
@@DearMajesty That's wrong, you need loctite on them and technically they are one use only anyway
Thanks
so glad to be helpful.
Great video, thx but disagree with not priming oil filter. Only takes another minute & is obviously better to have good pressure/volume in oil galleries on start up again since they mostly empty from draining.
No, it's a horizontal filter!
Not sure if someone mentioned to use loctite 243 on the paralever bolt? Also did you grease the boot for the spline before reinstalling?
I used a hex and 40 and chewed up the bolt a bit. I know lazy. Anyway I think at 12k I will replace the bolt as now it's 1200 miles.
Thanks for the Info
Very thorough and professional service. A quick question how much time did you spend on that service? Some dealers in UK charge 100£ an hour.
Thanks for sharing
45 minutes or so, but depends on how thorough you are cleaning the final drive before you lube it.
When i was at dealer requesting my old oil filter so i could cut it open oil filter discussion started which they said the K&N had the most filter failure rate i always liked them they were saying the by pass valve was causing the filter seal ring to blow out ???
Just what they told me
Nice helpful video. Noticed you have handlebar risers. Which ones did you install? Did you have to reroute the cables outside the fork legs? Thanks!!
Touratech barback risers. But this is one thing I regret not buying the eBay Chinese cheap equivalent because at the end of the day they’re just a billeted piece of aluminum
2 minute install no mods needed
@@jayelwin I ended up (after much research) buying the Touratech risers too. Did you have to reroute the cables due to being too tight after the install? Thanks!!
@@Gorilla52282 no. I didn’t have to change anything. Really easy install.
Hi Sir
Don't know if this was asked, but did you not have to get BMW / service shop to reset the computer for you and was that in itself not a costly exercise? VERY INFORMATIVE, THANKS MATE..
ObdLink XL and the MotoScan Android app you can reset it yourself.
I checked the rear splines on my 3yr old GS. The shaft was seized on, couldn't shift it. Took it to my BMW dealer workshop today to see if they could remove it... They cant! Quoted £2600 for new shaft and bevel drive unit replacement, so keep those splines greased!!
A good whack with a dead blow mallet didn't do the trick?
@@jayelwin Lol, no. It was solid, I tried everything possible. It gets to the point where using more and more force may cause damage to the cast swing arm. BMW have give me a 'good willl' warranty claim, so, only got £400 labour charges to pay.
@@jayelwin Hi Spoke to the tech today on how he tried to free the shaft. He said after taking off the bevel drive and the shaft out of the engine. They heated it up as much as they dare, then put a slide hammer on the shaft, with no effect.
I did mine on my 2023 and that final drive oil was terrible looking I plan to do this every 1000 miles or more my gosh
Great video.. question for you. If I was to do the maintenance myself. do i need to video record it too for warranty purposes?
If you’re in the US you need some kind of proof. A video is overkill. I was told you can save itemized receipts showing the purchase of what you needed, like oil and a filter, etc.
You just have to take notes, you don't even need receipts. Just write dates and what service you did. But the more you have the better.
Thank you for video documenting it.!Do you know all the torque values from the Haynes repair manual? Sorry, last question do you have to have GS911 to reset the service light? Again thank you and may this video never sees court! It’s liberating as it is👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
I did mine too. The oil in the rear wheel gearbox was very dirty with a lot of black in it. Engine oil was still like new.
I like this bike but the engine and driveline vibrations are beginning to get on my nerves, especially the pulsating vibration at about 3200 rpm when accelerating and handlebars vibration at over 4500 RPM. My single cylinder KLR650 is a lot smoother and less vibrating.
A BMW master mechanic said that the vibration is normal. He said I need to try to keep Engine RPM above 4000 RPM when possible. Weird.
You should change dealerships. My 600 mile service was done yesterday at San Diego BMW for less than $300 and I was on my way in less than 1 1/2 hours.
Geography plays a huge role here.
@@jayelwin , San Diego is one of most expensive places to live in the US. I would contribute the price difference to greed.
I thought the 1250 GS requires the new BMW G3 hypoid oil. G3 costs $51 per half a quart bottle. Very expensive. I wonder what the difference is? I would rather use Amsoil Severe Gear 75W-90 oil in there but don't know if it will cause any issues.
Just a little tip/heads-up concerning the warranty.
I am German and we have a really nice bulletin board over here, where people can post their experiences.
Let me tell you: there are some posts on here where BMW would partly deny warranty (either at all or after a specific amount of time) in case, not every service has been done at the BMW dealership.
I am not saying that this might happen in your case but you might wanna re-check with BMW North America (if doing and filming the service yourself is sufficient enough)
In the US we have the Magnuson-Moss warranty act. That protects us and very specifically states we can keep the warranty even if we do our own or third party service. Companies have tried to weasel their way out and have been punished by the FTC.
Now the issue that does void warranty’s are things that modify the normal operation like if you added a supercharger to the bike and then something blew.
EU-law also allows you to do your service or have a third party do it without the warranty being effected. The service has to documented though, with pictures, receipts or a video :)
Recommend using aluminum foil to keep the oil off the exhaust, just tent it over it.
It might not be the cleanest thing to do given how the oil filter is positioned, but shouldn't you prime it before putting it in order to make sure that the engine never runs dry or is that not really a factor/concern?
When you start the engine it pumps oil through, and fills the filter. That’s why you need to fill with oil and start the engine and then top off. Car or motorcycle, every filter I’ve ever removed has been full.
You can prime a filter but it isn’t necessary, the oil is still where it needs to be and the second or two it takes the pump to prime the filter under no load is no big deal, especially with synthetics these days.
Good practice but not essential. The oil pick-up is at the pump which is sitting in the sump filled with oil.
Is a GS 911 intresting or do you suggest other monitoring device?
Good vid - thanks! However, I don't think greasing the shaft gear splines is a part of the 600mi service routine.
I heard with the 1250s they don't allow you to do any engine work where you have to remove the cylinder heads ie; checking valve clearance. Is this true?
Must be a nail biting experience...
Ha!
The only thing they'll moan about, is that the TFT dash and ECU never had the updated software, having my F750gs serviced on its 600 mile service in a couple of weeks, just so I can get the software update, as new bikes sold don't have the updated software version to this day, only from when the design was first released. So getting this done by the dealership, and will then from that point, will be doing all my own servicing, always serviced my bikes, but for the 1st I need the dealership to give me the updated software, which is a right bugger, have a gs911 to the clear and reset service times etc.
2 questions : what is the source for all the various torque specs? And I'm hoping that turning off the service interval warning is in the rider menus somewhere?
I found lots of online references from various service manuals about torques. And locked down computers are a huge source of revenue for the entire automotive industry.
What brand/model is that torque wrench and where did you get it? Thanks
Like the point you using shell rotella. Really good oil, multi useable, keeps the engine running smoothe and shifts better. Unlike Castrol or advantec bullshit 👍
I would also add that the spec for the final drive fluid is 70W80 and NOT 75W90. I'm sure the Rotella T6 is controversial to many, but I am mostly okay with it. The main reason that diesel oil is not also gasoline rated is because of the Zinc and Phosphorus, which is bad for catalytic converters. So if your engine burns any oil at all, you are over a longer period of time burning up your cat...unless you burn tons of oil, which means it'll be much quicker
The final drive oil that’s been recommended by BMW since 1970 is 75W 90. The BMW branded oil is that rating. Also diesel engines have catalytic converters just the same as gasoline engines. www.bobsbmw.com/store/product/bmw-synthetic-final-drive-oil-75w-90-one-quart
@@jayelwin it's right there in the owners manual. The 1250's take 70W80. I doubt the 75W90 would cause much harm if any though.
As for diesel engines, their catalytic converters and emissions equipment is completely different to those of gasoline engines.
Both of these are facts you can verify yourself!
@@DearMajesty BMW didn’t change the rear drive from the liquid cooled 1200 when they went up to the 1250. It’s the identical part. I would love to see a specific reference by BMW to the final drive oil because the product that they sell has been the same and the rear drive itself is the same. I looked and cannot find a BMW branded rear drive oil in the specifications that you state.
@@jayelwin I don't know if BMW changed the final drive, but as you say likely not.
I do know that BMW officially recommends 70W80 now though. Have you tried opening your owners manual? It is there.
The official oil is a BMW G3 70W80, GL-5
@@DearMajesty You're right, just looked it up in the manual too. Not sure why they changed it on the 1250 but it's now 70W-80
🤓😎🏍💨💨💨👍🏻🇨🇦thanks for sharing
Does the spline have to be re-mollied after each oil change or is this only done at specified service intervals?
I believe greasing the spline has its own schedule and it is certainly not every oil change. I think it’s just early because of break in
You have to do all that at only 600 miles? And they want $450 to do it? Dang! I've got one on order and have a trip from Kansas City to LA planned shortly after getting it. So, I won't even make it to Denver before it's due for that. I don't have your skills, so will need to take it to dealer in Denver apparently. Is it possible to make an appointment with these dealers and get it done, in and out, in 1-2 hours? This throws a wrench in my trip planning.
Thank You Sir, I have a one week old GS.
Ride safe!
What if you don't remove rear wheel and just change rear end oil?
Nice video. Kinda surprised you used diesel truck oil in it though.
I know, right. seems odd. But it's a common choice in the forums and it has all the correct certifications.