L-19 Bird Dog Float Plane & Bush Plane Cessna Review MSFS addons - LATEST UPDATE
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2020
- Original Review: • Cessna L-19 Bird Dog F...
For reference, v1.2 was reviewed on Oct. 4, 2020 (See first pinned comment)
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As a number of you have asked I'm running the following build which was put together mid this year in anticipation of the 3000/BigNavi release. Now... if I could only get one.
AMD 3900x CPU
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32GB DDR4 3000 RAM
Gen 4x4 Nvme
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In regards to reviewing this product each time the dev changes version numbers (I get messages saying its 1.3 now), I am not going to do this. The number of updates this developer is releasing daily only confirms my opinion that this product wasn't ready for release.
v1.3 for example has minor fixes like the trim knob and a new livery which are all welcome changes but is using this to tell people that the reviews are no longer relevant because its a completely different model now. I would take the version numbering that he is releasing with a grain of salt.
To be clear, this video is not a comprehensive list of issues with this aircraft. This video was 30 minutes long when I stopped adding from the list of items I found and then edited it down to 18 minutes by removing a number of items.
I may re-visit this video if there are major changes (like the cockpit model or textures for instance), but if you are concerned about its state, I would either wait a bit or do further research for yourself. Don't take this review, or any other for that matter as gospel.
Thanks for the support guys!
Yeah, won’t be buying anything from them. Criticise their product, and they resort to that kind of behaviour. Just a low effort port of an existing product.
They won't admit it, but everyone can see this is a port. They don't realize the insult they are throwing at their customers by trying to deceive them with this.
Same here.
I bought it on release. I hated it and felt gutted. I watched your review. I watched the discussions across the internet. I watched your interactions with the developer. I held on for two updates to see how it improved.
Based on the quality of the product, the fact it is still not worth the price and especially the extremely unprofessional way the developer has conducted himself and his attitudes towards paying customers who are disappointed brought me to the decision to get a refund.
The developer refunded me very quickly, but did let me know his feelings in the refund email.
Buy this product at your own risk. You have been warned.
Hey Deadmode, glad to hear he is processing refund. I was the same which is why I was so quick to jump on the review to prevent others. I honestly didn't think the updates would happen this quick. Figured everyone is going to get screwed on this.
NOTAM I think BBS has bitten off more than they can chew with trying to bring this product into MSFS. They may have decades of experience in hobbyist flight sim development, but that level of expertise just won’t cut it in today’s market, especially with what people expect, the quality of default aircraft and the price BBS chose to sell at.
I don’t think BBS is out to screw people, but I do think they need a good hard look at themselves.
Notam, you reviews have been fantastic and very well presented and you did a great job in keeping your own personal bias aside. Keep up the great work.
@@Deadmode Thanks for the kind words Deadmode. I think you may be right here. It may be a case of being in over their head. As a developer myself (not for sim) I see how difficult it is to stay on top of this industry. For someone that was experienced in that era, it is very different now.
I did not think your original review was unfair. The aircraft had numerous problems - you identified and demonstrated them; but you also pointed out many things that were good. The fact the developer provided an update that addressed many of the problems seems to vindicate your earlier review. I think Black Box's reputation would have been better served by them taking a more amenable approach to criticism. Keep up the good work!
Thanks Clan, the second one was tough to do. My tongue is sore from biting down on it.
Defensive devs are one of the worst parts of flightsimming. It's just unprofessional.
@@outside7 I agree, I've always felt with the open-source projects I've created that the community is your largest asset. They will tell you exactly what's wrong and many times how to fix it with little expectation in return other than just listening to them.
This price tag alone is ridiculous! This applies to Carenado, too. This is the same range that A2A charges for their Accu-Sim aircraft. And they take many months each to develop and are totally different beasts! None of those rushed out cheap models is worth more than $10 , and that's pushing it!
Its my biggest problem with this model. They want to charge Accu-Sim prices and provide freeware beta products, and then try to deceive and discredit anyone that try's to point it out.
lol, exactly. I've bee blown away by how this developer and cronies interact with the community.
After I bought my first A2A GA airplane(the Comanche) I totally stopped buying Carenado planes. Literally all you are paying for there is the 3D model. The systems are all pretty much default, and while the models look good all the planes fly pretty badly, and as FSX was coming to a close and P3D was picking up, they started to jack-up their prices to the point of absurdity. So, I will not even consider Carenado planes in MSFS. I mean a C182? Did we really need ~another high wing Cessna right after launch? As for the Mooney, it just holds little interest for me, as I've never liked how they look, and I hate the small amount of travel their nose wheels have in real life, to the point that if you are towing it, and even think about turning it, you're going to break something. I want some of the Alabeo planes, like the Beech Staggerwing, and I want them at the price point they deserve, like ~$24 or so. $40 bucks for the 182 or the Mooney is asking way too much.
@@ImpendingJoker 182 was definitely overpriced. I understand that the 182 in real life is so much more plane than the 172, but unless you are an actual owner of one in RL, I can't imagine you wanting to purchase it in sim. I've yet to review it as other reviews keep taking precedent, but it's just your standard Carenado great model, nothing else here.
Black Box is notorious for blasting reviewers when they don’t give them a totally positive review. They’ve been doing it for years. They’re also notorious for releasing half baked products. In my opinion, they deserve every bit of criticism they get, especially when they can’t take constructive criticism from the community. I swore them off a long long time ago, and after hearing how they’ve treated you, it solidifies my decision even more.
I had never owned their products in prior sims, but have heard the warnings. Honestly, I wouldn't have believed the extent to which I heard people complain about them until experiencing it. Blows my mind.
Thanks for reviewing it again, I bought it myself and I found an other issue, when you use headtracking in the floatversion and see out of the window straight down you still see wheels undercarriage in stead of floats. And in my plane I can't turn the obs so I am kind of navigating blind or with the vfr map. But I really really love it. You mentioned that you dont like how the prop looks but I saw in the real one there is also a flat prop, not one with a bullet head shape in the middle of it I mean. So that seems pretty accurate. Would be nice if they remove that reflective thingy what they call a mirror completely and on stead of it mount a smartphone holder with a phone in it with a moving map. Over all I am happy I bought it
Hey Rudy, Yes, I also have had a number of issues with head tracking. (even involving restarts because the cockpit position was outside the plane). I didn't include them as Its hard to know if it is a problem with the aircraft or head tracking (even though I've never experienced this before)
Just to be clear, the issue I have with the prop is that it has visual glitches and problems with the animation and model.
I agree with you on the mirror. Just get rid of it or use it as a map holder etc... like you mentioned.
@@NOTAM1 they now released an other update, they are quite fast in updating 😊 now 1.3
@@rudyloedeman5730 Thats good to hear. It needs it. about 20 little items didn't make my review. The product was clearly unfinished.
Nice review. However, I wouldn't care if it's the best plane in the sim now. I'm not supporting a developer who's such a toxic person.
Thanks Michael. I agree, the dev doesn't seem to realize how he's hurting himself in that respect. I wouldn't dream of talking to anyone like he does, never mind a customer. Blows my mind.
Yes I agree, thanks for doing another review. I'm still very pleased I bought it - it's so much fun on and off water. I also have the cold and dark (ramp start) issue you had but also found a quick start/stop of the engine fixes it and then you can do the correct procedure. Overall I would say its a big improvement and I'm looking forward to version 1.3 and the changes and enhancements it brings.
Yes Chris, by now I'm well aware you love this aircraft more than any other aircraft. A quick start/stop before starting is not what I expect from a $40 model.
I am now closer to buying it.
The price still feels on the high side vs alternatives, exactly as was stated.
Still, I think this one is promising, maybe a diamond in the rough which will be amazing “when polished.”
Thanks for the review.
Its my largest issue with the model. As another user pointed out A2A charges this much for their Accu-Sim line of aircraft. This isn't anywhere near that. This is a great little aircraft at $10 and overpriced but maybe worth having a float plane and work in progress at $20 IMO.
They're just batting out of their league IMO. Is it fun... Yes, but not because this model is amazing. Its fun because MSFS is amazing and this brings you a float plane if you're really into them. At the end of the day, this was released too early and is overpriced. If you can overlook these two things, then yes, you are going to have fun in it.
I enjoyed it while recording for the second review, just not sure if I'll get my $40 worth out of it.
@@larstrone7333 Same for DCS.
I watched your review again! I found it very informative and subjective. I'm sorry to hear you had choice words with the developer as you gave us your honest opinion of what it is in its current state... $30 is asking a lot! Too many bugs and issues right now. I'll wait...
Looking forward to watching more of your thorough and honest reviews!
Thanks dank, appreciate the comment.
Great review. Sorry the developer was a jerk to you. Reputation is something easy to lose and difficult to build. Your good reputation is maintained and built up in my opinion and you've easily earned my subscription.
Your kind words are much appreciated Feint!
Oh....BBS's reputation is not easy to lose....in fact they've had the same reputation they've had for decades...horrible, and seem in no hurry to improve it based on how they treated a fair and unbiased review X2 of their crap-ware, in addition of course of actually putting that joke on the market for what they tried to scam unsuspecting simmers unaware of their reputation.
Asobo set a high standard with their default MSFS 2020 models for all future models for their simulator to come. A new day and age, if you will, for simulation enthusiasts. And as someone who has bought the Carenado Mooney, this L-19 model by BlackBox Simulations wouldn't make the cut even if all the bugs were patched. There is probably a good reason it is not featured in the official MSFS marketplace store.
Exactly, well said. Even if the whole list was fixed its still a $10 "fun" model at best. MS have really raised the bar, I agree 100%.
High standard? IMHO all the airplane so far suck. No P factor, torque, adverse yaw. MSFS 2020 is one big dissapointment.
@@kentbrookman You do know that adverse yaw has to be induced right? And you very much can side slip using adverse yaw in MSFS. I do it all the time in the C152.
@@ImpendingJoker If I „induce” adverse yaw nothing happens. The plane flies coordinated like on rails and I’m not in some kind of arcade mode. In its current state it’s a joke of a flight simulator.
@@kentbrookman Have you set your realism settings properly, adverse yaw is very much experienced in the game for me
Good review. I will still not buy it.
Thanks Shuenix, I really think he would have had a hit if it were $10 and working.
@@NOTAM1 When I was a child, we had 2 ice cream men that came round in their vans along our street. Luigi and Tony. There was a 30 minute gap between Luigi turning up, and Tony arriving after. Luigi charged nearly double what Tony did. So Luigi never had any customers and made little money. We all waited for Tony to arrive 30 minutes later. Even though Tony charged half the price, he made a fortune as we all waited for him. The moral of the story is, you can keep your prices low, and still make lots of money.
As you say, if this aircraft was $10-$15 Dollars it would have flew off the shelves, and there would have been half of the complaints. Most people would have made friendly suggestions about the fixes, and there while there would still be the odd complaints of being ripped off, it would have been minimal. 👍
@@MrBillUp well said. Its my viewpoint exactly. I was much easier on the kitfox, not because its wildly superior, but it was 1/4 the price and tempered my expectations.
I love that you did a second review to fairly evaluate the changes the developer made. Both these reviews have been reasonable, logical, and very professional. I am dismayed to hear the developer took such offense and attacked you for your review. I really want this plane. As a former 177 Air Canada Sqn. cadet, having experienced this aircraft towing me into the blue more times than I can count, I really really wanted it. But I can't say that, even if there are notable improvements, that I will purchase this aircraft because the developer doesn't deserve that business. Keep up your great work!
Thanks for the kind words BA. Glad to hear others have survived the bath tub!, lol.
Good update video! I saw how the dev responded to you on the official forums, you have a lot more patience and forgiveness than I lol. You've been more than fair when reviewing this plane and the way the dev responded to you was pretty bad. I'd love to get a decent pontoon floatplane in MSFS but I think I'll wait for something else to come along later.
Hey Mega. thanks for the kind words. I have to admit my tongue has a few sores from biting it so hard (in the forums).
Well done Sir. I respect your integrity.
Thanks Andy, my tongue is sore from doing this one, but I tried my best to not let their actions effect the review save a few sarcastic comments :) (I'm still human)
LOVE THIS - thank you - I've had been on the fence to buy many times. SO GLAD I HAVE NOT. YES price is key - at this price. (I thought it was 29.00?) It doesn't appear to offer as much the other AC in the market. At 19.95 I'd bite. We have Cessna's - and even a similar Sky Hawk (which I love). This isn't worth over 20. So glad I stayed clear.
Thank you for the honest review!
Thanks GT
Thanks again for taking the time to show us this update. I am still convinced that this model is overpriced and underwhelming and will steer clear. The developers should never have chastised you for an honest and fair review and from now on I will avoid their products. Keep up the good work, we need your honesty.
Thanks BB, I agree, its just not up to snuff.
Based on your review. It appears to me the developer for this product did not understand flight simulation enthusiasts or for that matter aviation enthusiasts in general. And in saying that, I'm giving that developer the benefit of the doubt. Flight simulations has gone a long way since 2006. We as desktop aviators (because of the technology we have today), expect considerably more in a addon products then what we bought in 2006, especially at the $40.00 price point you're talking. When you're getting into that kind of price point, Desktop aviators are expecting near study level product. Now to be fair that can be subjective and I will concede on that point.
When I did my review of the Big Tire studios KitFox, I said basically the same thing and knew going in that it was only a $9.00 Starbucks coffee expense, you got that quality of an aircraft. And I was hard on the aircraft but I was fair. Maybe because my youtube channel ( #dionm01 ) is so small I didn't get the hate as you did from the developer.
But to be frank, I don't really care what these developers say anyway. If they want my money they have to sell it to me, it is simple as that. Every product I review on my channel I pay for out of my own pocket, and that's how I want it to be. To keep my reviews fair and honest, and not beholden to anyone. That keeps my integrity level of my channel high which is what I want. For me, if a product that I purchase sucks, I have no problem telling my audience so. And if the product as good, I'll tell my audience the same. I do not compromise, and I feel my audience does not want me to compromise.
With your review of this product I felt you were fair and honest with your opinions. And that's all you need to do, and the audience will respond to that. I'm expecting a lot of add ons for Microsoft flight simulator 2020, I just hope Asobo gets the SDK fleshed out to where developers could provide true study level aircraft for us to purchase to grow are flight simulation aviation experience. Flight simulation is not a toy because it can fills so many roles. One Man's Opinion. Cheers and keep up the great work Dion
You are a honest man. Subbed.
I appreciate that Evidence, especially considering your username :)
I already subscribed, probably after watching your first review of this offering. I don't like the Icon A5 so I'm looking forward to a decent floatplane - idealy something good for hauling goods. Something bigger. That said, even if I was looking for one this size I'd probably NOT buy this one due to the way you were treated by the developer over your last review. You sound like a fair and thorough reviewer so if that's the way they want to be, well, I don't want to enrich them at all.
Liked.
Thanks Jelb, appreciate the kind words. Personally I'm the same... can't wait for a beaver or I'd be happy with the Caravan on floats. Really hoping we see something soon.
Thanks for the update. I'm hitching for a float plane but I'll pass on this one for now. I can't wait for Milviz's DHC-2 Beaver to be out :-)
Now you're talking.... I can't wait for a beaver. I'll have to google Milviz's.
Thanks for another fair review. It's definitely an improved product but still nowhere near the asking price. Either way, I won't be purchasing any products from this developer after seeing how he attempted to discredit yourself and anyone else who doesn't give the product a glowing review.
Thanks Mark, very strange interactions with this company. Questioning my integrity and then releasing a fix for all the items I mentioned, blows my mind. They would have gone a lot farther with just reaching out. I wouldn't have been less objective, but the review probably would have been leaning with more of a positive vibe.
@@NOTAM1 Yeah it really is bizarre. I can't imagine how many potential customers they lost by their reaction. I don't understand how anyone can release something in that condition, at this price, and then feel entitled to rave reviews. Maybe some third party developers have just got too used to "reviewers" doing their marketing for them.
@@AdaptedBass Thats exactly how I feel regarding other reviewers. I didn't want to mention that in the reviews as it may seem like I'm trying to be negative against other channels and that just doesn't feel nice. I'd rather just put my content out and if you like it that's great, but I was getting tired of everyone reviewing a product as if it was the best thing since sliced bread and then finding out different after purchase. It's a bit of a learning curve for me as I've never really reviewed anything before, but I figure if I provide an honest look at what I'm seeing, people can at least judge for themselves what is being offered..
Blackbox has always been a FS9 quality company with freeware like gauges, so to expect any different is equivalent to expecting carenado to actually model in depth systems.
I have never had issues with the price a developer puts in their product. Buyers will eventually dictate a more objective price overtime by the number of units they sell.
Now, pricing should correlate with things such as the model, textures, sounds etc. But a product should work as advertised, either cheap or expensive. There are centainly bugs here and there in mostly any new product, but bugs should not be enough in number to throw a party.
I thank both the developer to be fixing and improving the model, which I'd like to see reviewed in a status I'd feel inclined to buy, and you for another honest review.
Thanks Sergio, well said. (lol, "bugs should not be enough in number to throw a party")
Lol that’s fabulous. The review. Hopefully they will keep at it and keep improving. Looks like fun.
Please review the 182! 😁
I didn't think the 182 provided much, but recently the Mooney has impressed me enough that it has made my radar. I think I may just do this next. Thanks for the kind words Jason.
NOTAM the Mooney is really cool. It’s old school avionics but I’m trying to get familiar with them and it’s pretty fast, sounds great and handles nicely
@@bluesfool1 Yes, sorry I was referring to the 182. I have the mooney. Have done a review on it already. I love the mooney, but the quality of the mooney has put the 182 on my radar.
NOTAM yeah, okay I was thinking that I bought the Mooney based off a review you and a couple others did. I think you’ll like the 182.
@@bluesfool1 I'm definately going to have a look. You and a few others including the Mooney have convinced me. :)
respect to the dev for admitting it was broken and fixing the worst of it, hopfully he does another update fixing the rest
weeeeellll, admitting it was broken...no, fixing the worst of it... yes. I'll meet you half way. One is not the same as the other.
@@NOTAM1 well to fix it hed have to admit it was broken, its only an indirect admittance but its better than him just completely ignoring all criticism and leaving it how it was like id have expected him to after his response
@@lucywucyyy I definitely applaud him for jumping on the fixes. Even if it may have been to spite me. Whatever the motivation I'm pleased with the result.
That thing is joke! Being offended by the maker for testing it and giving an honest opinion is even more of a joke! (I followed your discussion on the forum btw) That's telling me a lot! Would be something different if it was in the Kitfox price range between 8 to 10 bucks. But this is just ridiculously overpriced! Nah, no way! Thank you!
I think $10 and marketing material that doesn't straight out lie. Just be honest with the community and I'd bet they would embrace him. Here's a work in progress for $10 or less, help me test it and lets slowly improve it together. I would have had a completely different outlook on that approach. Thanks Andi.
you should do a video about setting up a budget headtracking setup, you can use a PS3 eye cam and some IR LEDs to get TrackIR levels of tracking for like $20
The dev definitely watched the vids and made corrections. A bit unprofessional but I cant really complain because at least the issues were addressed
Thanks for the review and the update. Due to the "quality" of this "developer" and his/her/it's attitude towards customers and honest reviews, i will not purchase a single thing from him/her/it. Being greedy and trying to earn a lot quickly is one thing, but riding the high horse and insulting people for not accepting an unfinished/broken product is what is definitely stopping me from supporting such a "business model".
Well said! I try to not comment on the developer myself, but the community shares a lot of my thoughts it seems.
Hi I think you have saved me some money. I could see for my self that this was not as good as it could be. The best-looking part is the Passenger! What is that prop animation about?LOL??
Well done for doing this second review David. It confirms my opinion you are one of the best reviewers in the flight sim community. Not only do new players to flight simming need reviews on bad aircraft, but when they are fixed they need an updated opinion. You could have left it, but you didn't. You have done the right thing, even after the childish rants of the developer.
I still won't be buying this god awful FSX attempt at porting. And I think you are being very generous with the interior model. It still looks terrible. Maybe we have been spoilt with the new Asobo/Carenado models lol 😁
We are very early in the development of MSFS 2020, so expect many more aircraft to be released from professional developers, that know what they are doing, and have the consumer at the top of the list of priorities. Because of this, this aircraft will be long forgotten about in a years time. Blackbox know this, hence why he released it in a rushed state, to get as much cash as possible before it flies off into the wilderness. 👍
Thanks again Chris. Really appreciate you guys and your support. I did bite my tongue on review 2 a lot, but I felt it isn't about the dev or me. If its not the truth for the viewers then what's the point.
It's nice to know that the developer acted like a child in response to your honest review. Definitely won't ever be giving them any money.
Yeah these guys are something special. My tongue is pretty sore from biting it.
The altimeter needles are mixed... was it covered earlier? Sorry if it was...
The 1 dislike was from the BSS CO lol
Yeah, I joked about that on the first review of theirs when there was only 2. Its the first time I've had 2 thumbs down and know exactly who they are. lol.
Hi David, thanks for the update. You know I love your work, but please oh please try to steer clear from drama and cleaving interactions with any one, especially devs. That only usually combes back and bite people in the butt, later. We saw the issues, we agree with you. Don't get people to chose sides because people are stupid un groups. Especially across the internet.
Anyhow, I wanted to ask you for a few days, but do you intend to review or at least talk about REX Weather Force? We know it can push accurate METARs in the sim, we've had this kind of software since forever on previous sims, but I want to know what someone like you thinks about the usefulness of it, how it feels during a longer flight (say, above 100 miles) and if the experience is positive. I've seen lots of airport screenshot and it looks cool, but in real life the weather situation of an airfield does not stretch to the horizon, like it does with tools like REX. I don't care how accurate it is compared to real life, I just want weather pattern diversity, because MSFS's default one is kinda hit or miss, either great or clear weather :/
Cheers from France :)
You were very, very kind here, very kind. I think there is a very interesting payment model which these guys could bring into building the faith of the community once more. All their models should be completely free and then you pay what you feel they are worth. This is still overpriced and does not have the polish that an actual simulation level model needs. How can one change the weight of the plane and it not react differently? Realism is not a strong point... if it was not for you they would have done jack shit.
Thanks Confused, yeah it blows my mind to call everything I said in the prior review into question along with my integrity blaming everyone and Asabo for these issues, and then release a fix for them. Unfortunately for them they have won a lifetime customer out of me.... as I'll be purchasing all of their products on day 1, so that I can review them. :)
Floats are completely ruined for me until Asobo takes the time to add wake animations. It's just a glaring example of "customers being beta testers".
I'll not buy ANYTHING from this dev though unless there are public apologies to you. And I was really excited about this one too.
Yeah, the water animations are horrible. I'd prefer if they just were not there at all right now. Hoping Asabo brings more tools for float plane devs in the future.
Thanks for the kind words.
Aye, when I saw this announced I was like, yeah, an old warbird-ish type of plane for MSFS. Think I'll pass on this one until A) the price point comes down or B) they fix everything and apologize to NOTAM.
@@ImpendingJoker lol, thanks Joker. In fairness they have made a lot of progress so far, which only reenforces my original point IMO. They should have waited to release it. Personally I'd like them to spruce up the interior model and textures to at least MSFS default planes before I re-review it. Thanks for the support.
I'm not surprised developers try to jump onboard as soon as possible before the market gets swamped with other products. I see it's important to put your name out there as a developer, but it wouldhave been better if they actually developed the product, instead of sticking it to the community in this way. That's just not done.
They had me on the model of aircraft... they lost me on the pricing and on the actual screenshots, as this did not feel like a worthy whole model... and then i saw your review, Notam, and just laughed it off. Sorry you had to go through all that shizzle just for being honest. Thanks for the review. Hope yer tongue heals quickly. You just earned yourself a sub ;)
Oh, and what's the deal with the altimeter? Big hand, small hand and miniature hand?! Big hand doesn't move much, does it?
Hey Frank, Thanks for the kind words.
I agree, Good eye btw, yes you are right, the altimeter small hand should move at 10k', but I didn't have enough time to test it. I actually have a list of about 2 dozen other quirks with this aircraft that I didn't have time to get into the review. So many little issues with it. In hindsight, I probably should have just listed them on screen. I stopped adding to the review when it was at 30 mins. and then edited it down to the current length by removing a lot.
could you please make a updated reveiw on the 1.5 version that is now available? thanks for all the other reveiws you've made. they've been really helpfull for me
Thanks Shed, I'm not opposed to doing another update, but don't want to do this every time BBS does an update. They've been doing so many updates since release that I could never keep up. On top of this, as soon as I would release any type of review they would immediately release an update that day and then tell everyone that my review is not current as the newest version is X. If I do another follow up, it will be after they have decided to settle down and feel their product is at a point that is now release ready. Appreciate the support.
@@NOTAM1 appriciate the explanation
Have you had a chance to check out the Kit Fox update? I hear they fixed most, if not all, of the issues.
I have not, thanks for the update. I'll have a look. Worth a description update on my kitfox review at very least if they have.
Let's blacklist Black Box, get these hacks off the platform. It's clearly just a slightly updated FSX mod.
Everyone see's this (FSX mod) but the developers think we're easily deceived.
They’ve been producing crap products and acting like children for a very long time now.
@@stratochief99 It seems like you are correct. I had a look at their official fb page and its the same story. I couldn't imagine talking to customers like this.
a quote on their 20 year old website about this:
Testimonial quote: "beautiful Aircraft to fly , the Flight dynamics are spot on .. and I love the amphibian for a little fun on the water" LMAO
Its actually his friend who wrote that review and fervently defends him on the forums.
@@NOTAM1 oh yeah 100%.. tbh i wouldn't be surprised if it was actually himself, the way he behaves on his fb-page.. when someone points out the abismal poly count of the interior: "It's an airplane from the 50's, did you expect MFD's?" like what is even going on inside his head?
@@AboveSomething lol, no idea, does the same on the forums.
Will you revisit this aircraft eventually?
Well I wish I'd seen this before . I bought it, and have to say that the interior textures aren't what they should be for the price, still. In addition, I can't land the thing without losing control on the ground in fair weather. I don't own another tail-dragger where this happens. I'm not a pilot so take it for what it's worth. My impression is that when you have a very small angle to correct for, the plane immediately ground loops. I'll ask for help from the creator and perhaps they'll update again.
i have actually seen down for on switches in a few aircraft in xplane 11, only very old aircraft and helicopters tho
The only time I've ever seen this is on the overhead console which makes sense. Would be interested to see a reference of this if you could find one. Its just neat aircraft history stuff.
@@NOTAM1 il have a look i dont remember what planes it was exactly
So far, I'm finding it nearly impossible to wheel land this thing
without ground looping... seems like it loses almost all rudder
authority which may or may not be a trait of this aircraft in real life.
Please, were are you conducting your flights in this video from? I believe I heard English Bay?
Hey Robin, KEB Airport, Nanwalek, AK 99603, United States
NOTAM Thank you so much for your time! Really appreciate your thorough reviews! Robin
@@airpac1873 Thanks Robin.
I’m guessing it’s a fuel cut off problem, and that an ALT+V, instead of the in-cockpit fuel cutoff switch, will fix the cold and dark start.
Hey hob. Not familiar with alt+v. Guessing this is a main fuel shutoff?
NOTAM Yeah. Before Carenado released the 1.2.1 patch for the C182T, there was no fuel cutoff knob, so you had to use that switch before you could start it. If you used the CTRL+E to start the L-19, my guess is that starts the engines but also turns on the fuel. ALT+V just opens the fuel valve.
@@hobanagerik Good info, I'll try that. Good for future reviews also.
Great job pushing publishers to actually deliver quality for the money. It seems with MSFS's launch many old-school FSX publishers are simply trying to cash in without putting in the effort. I assume this is not in the Marketplace (yet?) because of the rating system. Like it or hate, the marketplace does at least provide a place to determine the value of an add-on through voting. I wish they would simply listen to you, put the effort in and fix everything. I would consider buying this (even at $40), but only if it were a high quality redo, not a cheap port.
Hey John, they applied for marketplace listing and said it was a fresh build for MSFS. Its clearly a port like you said. I think they'd go a long way if they just stopped trying to pull the wool over their customers eyes. People don't like being deceived.
Why did they forget water effects?
Probably still going to steer clear of Black Box simply due to their conduct and also their pricing. 40? I have criticisms of Carenado but these guys have no business trying to price near their tier.
Yeah its funny when I'm using Carenado as the good example. Its always been the price that most offended me with this package.
At least they fix the issues not like other developers... *cough* Asobo *cough*
Well, they definitely responded to the original list. Time will tell. Truth be told, there are 20 or so issues that didn't make the review. I am pleased they look after these glaring ones though.
With respect to the developer, but those textures are what we expected from FSX, not in MSFS.
Exactly. Its clearly his model from FSX brought into MSFS.
It's one thing for random people to act like children and attack people. It's another for those representing a company to do the same. Doesn't look good when a company attacks someone for criticizing a product that clearly is not ready for public release (when it's payware;, freeware is different).
Hey Little J. I agree, I couldn't ever imagine treating customers like they do.
The dials needs more polygons.
can you review the 182?
On my Radar, a number of requests. Thanks Benjamin.
MSFS released too early, I'd say it was at best, early beta form, I'm just tired of being screwed over by games being released too early
Looking to cash in on quick sales but I'm not sure if it was the best long term move for this dev.
Even if MSFS was released in a much better state, unscrupulous developers like Black Box would still be trying to cash grab with shitty, no effort ports of their already garbage aircraft.
MSFS released fine, honestly. If you have any experience with flight sims, MSFS's release is the best one I can remember. Even if they released it 6 months later, it would still be largely incomplete. So the timing was fine, I'd rather have this during quarantine :')
Flight sims are a constant WIP.
What is unacceptable though is having these developers on the store.
@@Galf506 I agree, in 30 years of flight simulation, this is by far the best start. So much potential here and initial excitement from the developer to keep improving. I'd rather have this in its current state (even with certain issues) than wait another year for it. Anyone that is involved in this community (translation DCS) knows that these products are never finished.
@@NOTAM1 ..."translation DCS) knows that these products are never finished."...hehe True....but then again, some of the unfinished DCS stuff is the truly in-the-weeds stuff I'll never understand like the incredible intricacies of the various Maverick programming options, the multitude of radar modes that have more acronyms than 10 bowls of alphabet soup, etc. Seems BBS struggles with getting the switches in the proper orientation at the initial release...and wondered if anyone would notice! DCS is putting Mav's on the F16...and casually mentions they'll add later..."A bit later we’ll add Maverick seeker bore sighting, dual targeting, and some changes to the HOTAS. " Seeker sore sighting, Huh? Dual targeting? What? Who's got a Hot-ASS? Where is she (gives a new meaning to head on a swivel-LOL)
BBS customer - Hey, these switches are upside down!
BBS- Awwww dang it....you noticed that....let me fix it now that you've already paid $29US for it....so I can claim how responsive I am to updating my software. Just like v .90 of the Airbus, eh Mr. Waterfield?
40$? I don't think so. Thanks for a fine review.
Thanks Ole. My biggest gripe is that price tag. I think he could have done well if it was sold for half that or less.
47 miles per hour? why isn't the stall speed in knots??
Many small GA Aircraft, especially from this era or older are in MPH
@@NOTAM1 thank you! so when did this change to knots?
@@marcausn Well before my time, but I know it was changed to match the nautical mile used for distance and navigation. just made it easier to navigate if you are traveling 100nm at 100knots. Must have been a pain to figure out 100nm at 100mph. Smaller aircraft that are used more for VFR use mph sometimes because they are not really used for anything but visual navigating.
I've changed my mind,I will not be giving this a try when its freeware.
40 dollars is half the purchase price of MSFS, it better be stelar and not a port.
Hasn't the SDK been released ? I've seen much better planes from modders in the past,I can wait.
He just rushed it to market IMO. Get in on the gold rush of people hungry for different aircraft. I agree 100 on that "needs to be stellar".
This plane for me, just have to cost 5 bucks....
Exactly. It would have had a very positive review at that price.
Wow! I would not have guessed that there are developers in denial withing the sim community, similar to those offering half baked games on Steam. Insulting a reviewer and or buyers is ridiculus.
I was also a little taken back after the first review was released with the reaction of the dev.
Microsoft needs to have better quality control of what they sell on the marketplace.
I really hope they test them personally and don't just allow anything through.
If that's how they behave I'll not be buying anything from someone who can't take your very fair criticism.
Thanks 265, appreciate the support.
IMO, PC players are nothing more but Guinea Pigs for the upcoming XBOX release, PC players should be given credit/ funds for all the headaches we've endured. I certainly won't be ordering this add-on / remake.
The devs themselves said the xbox version is only an afterthought, the true experience will be on pc. What has this to do with this plane , anyways?
@@Galf506 noyb
Well I definitely felt like a Guinea pig with this aircraft
The cockpit looks like a cartoon plane or some freeware for FSX. Not even close to the quality of the default aircraft. And that's the standard that add-on aircraft for MSFS have to match or surpass to be worth buying. Not even worth looking at the flight modeling at that point. And yeah ... I witnessed the developer's behavior on the forums. Suffice it to say, I won't support that.
I love float planes too, but screw this condescending toxic dev, will never buy anything from BlackBox.
God that stall horn is annoying
I'm guessing you don't want me to send you the ringtone of that?
@@NOTAM1 no not exactly haha
After your introduction: I will never buy anything from this company.
You guys are awesome, after the developer realizing that his actions didn't garner more support for him and instead was turning the community against him he started to change his tone.
This product is a cash-grab, simple as that.
I think a lot of developers are rushing to market to take advantage of first to list. I've been told there are over 1000 applications to list on the marketplace right now. This could be exciting, but it could also be a $h!t show. Get ready for the onslaught.