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Weaponizing. That is what Nikki, and the likes, does. They weponize and further encourage the mistreatment and minimalizatiom of Black women. Jackie Aina just spoke about this the other day. That whole video is🔥🔥🔥, check it if you haven’t already. LOVED THIIIIIS. THANK YOU
Jesy is the classic white woman that loves black culture, specially when it comes to music and style, but stays quiet in front of prejudice, Leigh Anne has been suffering with racist comments since day one and she said that she never talked about that with her, so black people's culture is amazing until you have to actually to support a sister
@@layacharmion Yes but she’s the only unambiguously black woman in that group (despite being mixed) and has suffered from anti black racism as a result. Jesy is a white woman, has always received love and support from the fandom and has way more privilege than Leigh.
@@sugarpearl9781 shes not unambigously because she straight up looked mixed! Black people need to seriously let go of the one-drop rule and stop seeing mixed women like her as racially black. How are we gonna complain about racism, but some of us *still* continue to use white supremacy tacts like the one-drop rule??
@@layacharmion She stands out as the darkest of the group, which will lead to targeted hate. I remember when i was a fan of Little Mix and One Direction and how much hate Leigh and Zayn got cause she's black and he's the only poc. It doesn't matter how mixed you are, if you're standing out amongst your peers, you'll be targeted.
wordddd. the way people keep hush about their faves “acting black” or portraying themselves as phenotypically racially ambiguous - it’s getting out of hand now ngl. funny how black women are responsible for most things profitable in society but bear no fruit from it. I’ve had enough…
@@lizzie7219 lawd don't get me started bout the police Brutality of Black hair... Wait i like that title. I might torn that into a vid if Tee hasn't already lol
“Jealousy is used as an accusation for doing something bad when it’s really just a valid emotion when someone is being treated better than you” is on point
my god that's not even blackfishing, americans have no other topics just race and blackfishing but she doesn't even look black so what's your problem leave her alone, she can do what she wants
Hearing that for white women "costuming blackness is costuming desireability" helped everything click into place. The women who are blackfishing can't live up to white standards of beauty. Jesy Nelson will never be a Taylor Swift, a Bella Hadid. If a black woman looked like Jesy Nelson, she would not be deemed "beautiful" either. She's average-looking (and there is nothing wrong with an average face!). But a white woman costuming blackness? Attractive. That's a loophole they are ready to exploit.
As an Asian woman, seeing the beauty standards change over the years like you were saying I’ve mostly seen centered on white women and even more recently when black or Asian features are in style it’s still black and Asian features on white people that’s really “in style” rather than actual people of color themselves. I also definitely think sexualization and fetishization are such a major player in the conversation. I have to say most times when I see people black fishing or Asian baiting it is most often women and the traits they steal are often most associated with sexualization like curvier figure or darker skin or slanted “foxy” eyes being exotic and indicating sensuality and sexy ness. Physical features should not be indicators of a certain type of person yet people still see them as such.
Having big boobs and ass isn't black features, I grew up thinking I was fat for my natural body shape. Insta lips on white women tho is shady af. White women also don't fit the standard of beauty, no one can The entire point is to be exclusive, elitist and rich.
@@jayncoclassic Having a big butt can happen in any race, of course, but the shape IS very different. More often (but not always) white women have a big butt, it's big because it's wide (but still flatter), but black women's tend to "bubble" outwards (I'm sitting on one now), so that's the difference. So, they don't look/move the same, and because of social media and the like, the focus on big albeit round butts has increased. But not just any big butt is considered attractive. The pronounced roundness is something black women are known for, and that's the goal. So, it's drastically changed from the days when white women were trying to make it as small as possible to now where they're exercising to enhance what they have and make them rounder.
Part of the problem with the "foxy eyes" thing is that a TON of black women naturally have that eye shape (and, no, not in that vague, blonde-haired "black" children pic kind of way) and have been accused of copying Asian features. A ton of influencers and celebrities have those eyes naturally; Kennie JD looks like a whole half-Asian woman but she's fully black. Then you have Asian Doll, Tokyo Jets, Brandy Norwood, etc. If what scientists say is true, everyone came from Africa, so that's gonna happen. So I'm not talking about people who are simulating that; I'm making zero excuses for that, but I'm talking about people accusing black women who have those features naturally being accused of it. And as a side point, I know East Asians will be pressed to hear it, but black features are closer to Asian features than white ones are...but that's another story.
@@LadyAstarionAncunin oh yeah I definitely agree with your point. I know other races even a lot of latinx people can also have that eye shape for sure. I’ve seen a lot of people on the internet accusing poc for features they naturally have and I think just going around and accusing everyone randomly takes away from the actual conversation on why imitating certain features for certain reasons has negative effects. Like having slimmer and more slanted eyes is seen as sultry and seductive when it’s literally just an eye shape. Personally I just see it more in the Asian community affecting the over sexualization of Asian women probably because that’s the community I hang out most in but definitely it does affect anyone with that eye shape to be perceived as more sexual.
I think this is a conversation that I’d like to see older black women have. How can one be jealous of something you already have? The word they’re looking for is righteous indignation.
Well done. I felt uncomfortable with that “jealous” reference. Very intuitive, thank you for identifying this. It’s not a question of “jealousy” but the validity of us expressing ourselves an that equates to righteous indignation in its entirety.
BEEN LOOKING FOR THIS COMMENT FOR EVER THATS WHAT I SAY ALL THE TIME WE BLAQ WOMEN ARE THE CULTURE HOW TF CAN WE BE JEALOUS IF ANYTHING THEY ARE OF US THEY'RE IMITATING US TF
@@tomasallende9583 y'all are dYING to frame people as republican, first Lana Del Rey, then Taylor Swift, Rihanna and now Nicki Minaj. It's getting weird.
that statement about walking into a room and knowing men might treat you like less because they're not attracted to you is so powerful. it really is so painful to see the way some men treat you if they're not interested. it's like they won't even make eye contact or talk to me like a person, like they're afraid of giving me ideas.
To clarify, it's not like im so worried about their attention all the time, it's about basic respect. What if I'm just asking you about good food to eat in town? You don't have to avoid me like I'm diseased just because you don't want to fuck. It's frustrating and dehumanizing.
And its weird too bc I feel the same but am also uncomfortable with male attention. Like leering and whatnot. Granted, the latter doesn't happen as often to me lmao!
Sheboygan. I agree with you please blacks stop talking jealous. We all want to be treated equally who cares about color . I think it gets next to crissy
Let's be real. These women don't want to look black, they want to look mixed with black/biracial or just racially ambiguous. They definitely want to sound black though.
Mixed fishing is the gate opener to appropriating black culture. Because the black race still participates in the one drop rule especially when it comes to women, this is part of the aftermath, not only are actual mixed race women replacing black women but other races of women with zero black in them are replacing black women because of mixed fishing and the rule that mixed=black
I did a paper in my women's studies class in college explaining favoritism towards the white race in marketing underwear and how "nude" is not nude to me. The trio of basic colors are beige, white and black. It was over 10 years since I wrote the paper so I don't remember all the details, but I remember watching the faces of the students and it was if the thought never crossed their minds. I was introducing an idea that they never had to think about. Like an "ah-ha" moment. Videos like this are important for not just black women for validation, but all races because they are truly blinded in their world. Thank you beautiful ❤️
Nude isn't nude to many people. They need to get rid of that word. I'm too white to wear nude it looks bright pink, it only works with some white people, it's dumb and exclusive.
Yeah too bad you didn’t take that as an opportunity to create a company. 🤷🏾♀️ The key to creating a company is finding a problem and creating the solution.
@@marriejames01 I did own a company at that time that I started when I was 18 getting people without insurance their medications for free. I had to close it once the Affordable Healthcare Act was established by my market was the uninsured. I was able to keep it open for 10 years and help a lot of people 😄
Yeah it's true these videos are educational for white folks such as myself. It is exactly as you say, an 'ah-ha' of when perceiving something for the first time that I was just too deep into to have such a vantage point - like a fish doesn't know it's swimming in water sort of thing. She's really skilled at what she does. Much credit to her.
I think Tee really encapsulates why don't really find the black fishing or even sometimes the cultural appropriation conversations all that fascinating. Sometimes it just feels like either these people are just real tacky or they're trolls and they pretending that they don't know.
Mixed fishing is the gate opener to appropriating black culture. Because the black race still participates in the one drop rule especially when it comes to women, this is part of the aftermath, not only are actual mixed race women replacing black women but other races of women with zero black in them are replacing black women because of mixed fishing and the rule that mixed=black
@@PrincessYonna1 No, bm were the gate openers to the cultural appropriation of black culture. Y'all are grasping at straws here. Just let it go. The ones in the industry gladly give women like this jobs over bw. It is what it is. They were called A List in that Straight Out of Compton casting call.
@@thisismyname8735 THANK YOU although it isn’t just men THE BLACK AESTHETIC is being sold for a profit BY US! Y’all mad at the white women but they’re just doing what their told. remember Rita Ora ?! We all thought she was black. And her label (Roc Nation) was ok with getting us to think that. We need to hold our OWN accountable that’s the only way to provoke some kind of change
Another thing that makes calling out black fishing so detrimental to black women is the fact that we have our own black brothers who aid our oppressors in gaslighting our claims and gleefully assist in throwing black women under the bus. It’s sad.
That's really the problem. They know we don't have any backup because the men are approving of it. Not enough black men have a problem with it, and a lot of them like it. It's disgusting.
@@elizabethdalgliesh6085 definitely has been a major convo going on of black women should start making the decision to stop birthing them…honey I’m childless and I can’t say I haven’t thought about it bc at this point, most of the guys out here subscribe to that colorist, Sickening mentality so why would I want to contribute to that..
i just hope leigh-anne is doing alright, she's just had twins and i can't imagine what the online hate must have felt like, especially since it was so sudden (i just dont believe she sent messages to a random ass """fan""" suddenly talking shit)
@@kaylalaufeyson8828 my thoughts exactly. if, IF, she were to talk about this, why wouldn't she talk to a big drama journalist and make some money over it? like, why would she rant to a random person online and risk getting exposed... we are in 2021, receipts can be faked
as one of many black women who were relentlessly bullied for cornrows, big lips, and dark skin at a young age...this was very enlightening and a great conversation. looking forward to developing friendships in which i can discuss topics like this! love your work tee, you're like a sociological-concept-questioning big sister!
Very very true and I am brown skin girl and I was bullied for my features and it weird to see them try to use filters and tans for our features, also looking at your pfp your very beautiful and you look like you have a nice personality
As a black women, I don't what happened to me but I really don't care about blackfacing and culture appropriation anymore. I'm done like I'm experiencing a burnout. I don't care. I'm just living my life man. I'm tired of explaining my culture.
Honestly same I used to be very radical about these topics, but I experienced like a burn out too. I felt like I was being too serious about my own culture, which is something I've always liked to share in a fun way and to everyone. In the end, I came to the conclusion that people can make whatever they want with my culture, as long as they're not straight up mocking it. It's actually very simple, and is just a matter of respect.
Yea girl I’m leveling up and thinking about myself . It’s getting time for bw to stop explaining themselves, everyone knows they don’t care , it’s time we embrace and enjoy life .
I’m with you, How do I keep giving my opinion on that but I honestly do it knowing that nothing is going to change, nothing! all this is going to continue to happen and people are tired of hearing the same thing all the time and that nothing happens. The same happens when, for example, in the world of kpop, a white person making cultural appropriation and saying the N-word and well, white fans are always like “they have apologized, what else do you want” that is, and they go on and on doing the same and then they apologize and people are tired of it because they know that every time they are going to screw up just an apology and that's it they don't care anymore because they know that most of their fans are white and if they ever disrespect the black community does not care much, they make an apology and everything is forgotten.
Good! Cuz I got tired of explaining to people like you why culture appropriation is not a thing and was never gonna be taken serious. And time proved me right
I see what you mean. I definitely care though. But I do want to care less. It’s very draining to care about something that you can’t really fix or change especially with people blindly defending it..
Hey!! I'm an Indian, and I'm pretty tuned into understanding cultural appropriation and black fetishism, and I just want to say that THIS IS SO INFORMATIVE AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND AND RESONANT WITH UR THOUGHTS! Like, it's sickening to see how on a global scale, black beauty is being comodified and sold as an "aesthetic" yet there's blatant and rampant racism whether on the internet or in physical reality. And it's super frustrating just witnessing it as an outsider (not part directly as part of the community, more involved as growing (in terms of educating myself) anti-racist). Even here in India, looking at beauty standards and making a parallel of colourism here, the growing trend of using black beauty (specific make-up styles and techniques, big lips, etc.) but yet being ignorant on the importance of it, and not self reflecting, that's what frustrates me, I can't imagine how black women are so so tired and angry with this ignorance and appropriation! Using a skin colour as an aesthetic, it's just plain disgusting! And people need to start realising what their individual contribution to racism is and start making changes in their lives!
Nicki did what she always does: cause unnecessary controversy to distract from the predatory men in her life. Last time, she was distracting for her brother. This time, she’s distracting for her husband. 🤷🏽♂️
the excuse that "you're jealous" is up to the artists, you can't like Ariana Grande, you can't say anything about Blackpink or other people, the fans automatically "no, what happens is that you're jealous of them because you'll never get to be who they are ”like what ?!
I think it’s projection, they look up and idolize these celebrities and want to be them, thus any criticism is taken as “you’re saying something bad about someone **I** want to be.”
You named two people or one persona and a group that comes to my mind right away. It's definitely like the other person who commented, they want to be like them and so any slight against the artists is a slight against them when in reality it shows that they can't take accountability over their own actions.
Actually, I don't personally think only white is beautiful, I like to see different forms of beauty, colour, culture, size, etc. Its all beauty to me but perhaps I am more open minded in that way...
@@KristenKras this doesn't really mean much in the conversation about whiteness unfortunately. Being an individual who does your best to see beauty in everyone under a system that works very hard to only promote images of white or white adjacent beauty doesn't really challenge the standard. Whiteness is an invented construct, socialised into being seen as the norm through violence, colonial and imperial. It has only ever existed as an imposed standard unto other humans .
@TampaDoll sometimes I have the feeling that Black Americans actually forget that they are A Minority in the USA, and that the world doesn't mirror their reality or issues.
When talking about the jealousy, the way I would describe it is like answering a question but the teacher doesn't hear you and then a classmate says the same answer as you and gets rewarded for it. Of course you'd feel jealous. That was YOUR answer, it was yours to begin with, someone stealing it and then saying they were just "appreciating" it would obviously make you mad.
Then you call out that person right then and there for directly stealing your answer. I feel like this is more like being jealous because someone has the same answer as you but they have never met you in their life 😅
Ok you are an adult now, get over it! Dont be like the teacher then. But to carry on a grudge and hold an entire race responsible isnt fair. I was robbed at gun point and got my jaw broke by a black man twice my size when i was 17 so should i hold that against all the rest? Or just the ones that look like him??
@@saralenagriffith6509 this have absolutely nothing to do with the subject. you should go check if you still have a trauma from that punch cus it’s worrying
@@iceek1778 i dont still have trama about it any more at all, but when my jaw was wired i was for the first couple weeks, but i got over it and i dont hold it against everybody else and it happend to me not my ancestors that ive never even met.
@@saralenagriffith6509 OK you missed the point. Is that guy now making money of the fact that he broke your jaw? That money he stole? was it more then a million?and was it more then 30 million black man that did this to you? are they now walking around with a jaw that looks like yours and cashing in on it? Do they get recognition now for what was your look? And do you get left in the dust by it? You we're unlucky to meet 1 bad black guy out of dozens of bad apples just like in any other race. I'm sure it's not all white people who do this with beauty (other subjects maybe?) It's usually people with money, power and influence that set the narrative and those who follow. Are you one that follows? then you don't need to feel like you fit the bill. But you can help by not being biased!
Black women tried for years to conform to European beauty standards. We tried. We still got invalidated, discriminated, and called ugly. Ugly. We have now embraced ourselves as we are. Our people are recognizing our own beauty. And the world sees it. And now they’re looking over the fence into our yard and want to take this too. Can we have anything of our own? If not can they at least credit their inspiration and break off some of the bread they earned on generations of our tears? Thats all. Girl want to look like us? Pay. Nothing is free.
All Facts! However, the one thing that I didn't hear mentioned is that often the inclusion and diversification of spaces and ideas are done so with the intent to destroy the idea or space.
you should go back to school and learn that europe is a continent that consists of multiple countries with more or less similar cultures and thus they also have different views on beauty standards..............................................................
Absolute RESPECT for the time an effort that everyone put into this. Tee taking the time to find insightful creators with unique opinions that all seem to shine a light on the importance of the topic, the way the questions are formatted to make the creators being interviewed really think about them was intriguing, and how each creator who was interviewed was asked a different open ended question. The way Tee put it all together in a way that was comprehensive and easy to follow is actually impressive considering the complexity of the topic itself. Watching Tee’s videos has given me an insight into my own white privilege, and society as a whole, that I wouldn’t have gotten otherwise. Im genuinely grateful to Tee for opening my world up to maturity and growth.
Nicki Minaj is cognitive dissonance walking on two high heeled feet. She uses the protect and accept black women thing when it is convenient for her but she carries so many anti-black sentiments at the same time. She’s too talented to be so inconsistent in her views toward black women 😭😭😭.
@@vixensiren248 girl yes! She’s been in the game too long and she needs to seriously retire this time and enjoy her time away. But she doesn’t wanna give up that crown! 😭👑
Nicki Minaj does everything to look like a blonde hair blue-eyed white Barbie doll! She got a BBL and her breast done and tons of surgery to her face. Look at her before and after picture.
@@TeeNoir Just watched the whole thing and I was right!! I love that you included the opinions of other intelligent people so this video really feels like a conversation. You're hands down one of my favorite UA-camrs and I hope you keep doing what you're doing :) P.S. girl PLEASE give us the Sex Education video. I have THOUGHTS
Loved the definition for blackfishing as "a racial masquerade that operates as a form of racial fetishism" will attribute to the Leslie Bow and use for any upcoming DEI discussion and/or webinars. Love your channel! Keep up the great work!
Jealousy pins women against each other. It's sad that women can only gain respect from men if we're attractive to them. Imagine a world where a women's life wasn't just about how attractive she is. Where opinions are heard. Where colors aren't favored at all. Men saw women as people and not something to obtain, and women seeing other women as a friend and not a threat. Jealousy holds us back. But it's not anyone fault in being jealous, our social status relies on being attractive and everyone is trying to one up each other, choosing and picking which parts are desired to put on themselves. And beauty is selling more and more and becoming more and more outragous with surgery, filters, and makeup
To add on to what you said, the media portrays women as such jealous backstabbing people, especially when it comes to men. In reality most women want to feel beautiful & help other women feel beautiful but men always want to insert themselves into the picture.
@@denisewest3858 Okay but the video explains how jealousy is only bad if people deal with it in harmful ways. People can deal with jealousy in healthy ways, and that prevents the badness from happening.
Calling someone jealous highlights the fact that there is something to be jealous of. If black women aren't treated as less than, they wouldn't need to be jealous right? there'd be nothing to be jealous of. So calling black women jealous is basically admitting that black women are stepped on and hypersexualized for certain features they are known to possess, while non black women and specifically white women are placed on a pedestal almost regardless what features they possess.
It's weird and ridiculous when peeps say bw are jealous. Y would we be jealous about features we naturally have that others are trying to imitate thru surgeries, makeup, fillers, etc.
@KCJYeah, I do get the treatment part. Quite unfair and that could bring jealousy every now and then. But then, If men desire non bw regardless, y get those black features then?
@KCJ To an extent..yes. But it's moreso a mislabeling of the true issues as hand. It's truly about a (lack of) accountability, blatant disrespect, the violence of entitlement.
I really feel a connection w/ this vid, cos bein’ latino/hispanic, as a kid I’d be called monkey and Tarzan cos of my hair and facial features. I’d been made fun of cos my culture’s aesthetics/trends we’re concerned “ghetto” or “ratchet”. But now it’s okay when white guys dress up like us, perm they’re hair, tan their skin, learn our language/dialects/vernaculars and try an call it “street/urban/edgy style”, or even go as far as to claim to be “1% Cuban” too try to pass as us. So now I truly comprehend and understand, that it’s not that we’re jealous or angry. We’re just irritated and upset of being criticized/made fun of, then robbed and given absolutely no credit of what we created. Without us and all of our cultures, pop culture won’t exist.
Honestly its like putting in all the work while someone else takes credit. They wanna look like us, cool but why do we have to be labeled "ghetto" and "ratchet". They are taking human beings and our culture and pretending it's a trend. Doing the same stuff but getting praised for it, only we created it.
YES THIS!! this is so disrespectful!! im mexican and i see it happen with cholo culture so much and like everyone makes so much fun of them and treats their culture like delinquents (note they come from a harsh enviroment of everyday violence so theyre a product of their surroundings) but the moment a white passing pretty boy uses their mannerisms as an "aesthetic", just like you said its deemed as "urban" and now its cool like what in the actual fuck??
When i was a child i had red hair and freckles on my face and i got bullied my school was mostly black and hispanic. But kids are gonna find what ever they can to bully someone probably they dont know any better and its usually kids that dont get attention from their parents or problems at home maybe their parents are going through a divorce and they just dont know how to deal with it so they take their frustrations out on somebody else. But we grow up, and should know better, lets stop participating in racism , or its never going away . ive never seen so many adults playing victim to this acting like they were a slave and like i put them there, and i aint even racist but because im white i have to pay and constantly appoligize, and its like well everyone is free now so wtf?
It becomes a problem for me when people want to look and sound black but don't speak up against racism and racial injustice. It becomes a problem for me when people wanna say black people are stealing trends (that are from black culture) from them (Nikita Trashgun and her statements) It become a problem for me when I and my black community are discriminated against and demonized for expressing our culture and pride in our hair, but other people are praised for it. I just think it's incredibly hypocritical and that's it
It's one reason why I'm irritated about K-pop. When are these channels gonna start tackling that en masse. I live in East Asia, and they really think that Koreans thought that stuff up themselves, even though they have black choreographers (or Koreans who spent time in the U.S.) teaching them everything and having them literally study us. It's all fake. For a buck. I don't care what their music says. They don't even know, like, or trust us. It's all surface level. I don't have a problem with Asian people succeeding, obviously, but stop using our culture to do it.
@@julianharris6698 what are you talking about? No one said she never did. I only stated my issues with cultural appropriation and non POC using POC’s traits to seem trendy while discriminating against the POC whom they took those “trends” from. The point seems to have flown over your head
I have a theory. She's experienced relentless body-shaming. maybe she's observed that being plus sized is celebrated among black women more than white women. So she's tried to adapt traits of black women to hopefully lessen some of the abuse. I'm not making excuses for her, though. She's fully wrong for this. People shouldn't be body-shaming her, and she shouldn't be appropriating blackness to make her life easier.
But then that speaks to how black men will body shame their own especially dark skin women, but embrace it in anyone non black. I mean I still remember that plus size model Ashley Graham talking about how black men just loooove her and even though she got dragged, she still married a black man! Plus size white women will feel undesired by white men then use black men as the reliable source for their validation. Its even become a joke in media that black men love "fat" white women.
@@mynameisuju exactly. as a black girl whos still young and insecure when a guy doesn’t like me (especially since im not skinny) its like all the black men only like white girls and white men like white girls. i often feel like we get no love
See, that’s the problem. Everyone is too hesitant to call Nicki out as if it’s “complex”. It’s not. I wish we can just call celebrities out with our chest without the forceful empathy that they 1) don’t deserve 2) won’t reciprocate to you vice versa. It’s not about scolding, it’s about not enabling the bullshit, labeling it as “complicated”. It’s really not
@@rin6435 Thank you. I just don’t know what’s a sticky situation about Nicky boldly enabling pedophilia and r*pe, going on her podcast stating “it was a white girl” as if that lessens the blow of him being a rapist.
Nicki has a history of colorist comments herself, so she's good for it. People fear the fandoms brigading, but that's weak. Who cares about some dislikes? Aren't these channels supposed to be trying to get engagement?
To tell black women that they are jealous when it is a natural emotion. We see the unfairness and it is downright inhumane of people to not allow us to do just that. If you have a tree and do not water it it will die, so how are we going to tell a living being not to react to the stimuli which are hate towards us. Unuh wicked!Thank you for this breakdown Tee.
Y’all hit all the nails in the head in that conversation 🙏🏽 growing up, I was always envious of the ease that white woman were afforded to move through life. I never wanted to be anything like them, I just wanted the benefit of the doubt that they’re always awarded; can’t even breathe as a black girl without somebody having something to say.
Same especially in school and corporate America black girls are taught don’t cry soak it up while ww tears will bring the whole school and America to its knees so I feel you seen it so much
@@Lunalla i think that’s kinda the point like it is concerning but it also points to the larger issue of how prevalent this sort of thing is. Also, could be wrong, but I don’t think it’d be inherently racist were a white person to express this view although it’d be a little weird/complex as to the reason for said jealousy, at least as it pertains to beauty standards but I don’t think the view itself would be racist.
Just a thought I had as I listened to you...sometimes I think Nicki's wealth and position gives her a proximity to whiteness that makes her forget herself. I don't think she can relate to the average black woman anymore in a real human way because she might think she's superior to the average black woman. Thus, ABW are her adoring fans or annoying jealous bitches. Just a thought I had because when she goes up for someone, it's not usually an ABW (dark skin, not rich, etc.). Great discourse as usual.
I think it is a type of trauma or something, for example if whenever you have tried to have a relationship with some black person you have been treated badly or you feel that you are always in a competition with them, it is normal that you unconsciously create a barrier where your Bad experiences with those black women have left her. I do not know, it is my opinion.
Nicki is not even black, she was born in Trinidad, so she is Trinidadian, thats more of a Latina decent. She moved to Queens New York at age 9, thats why she da Queen😍
@@lanadelrat9016 what makes you think she wants to be black?? Most Latinas dont want to be considered black, its insulting to their culture , she is Trinidadian, she dont even have any black features except maybe her butt
I think one of the main issues is that people mistake her for another band member Jade (who is a woman of colour)... when it gets to the point where people can’t tell the difference between you and a person of colour, it’s been taken way too far
@@babygirla5717 Jade isn’t black, she’s part Egyptian and Yemeni, but the issue still stands of course. I’ve been a fan of Little Mix since they were formed on X Factor and to see the girls like this is sad. Really sad.
@@theetherealshaye Egyptian and Yemen isn't a race, so let me stop you right there. And her mama is a dark skin Black Egyptian or Yemen (IDK which one) woman. Pls, learn the difference between race and ethnicity, and distinct ethnic groups.
@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 okay, fair comment. My response was in assumption of the commenter talking about full, unambiguous blackness, but thank you for clarifying and correcting my response, I appreciate it. And I didn’t know the exact skin tone of her mother, so thanks for that additional information!
I really liked the conversation about jealousy. It’s interesting that in a world where person A is treated better than person B for arbitrary reasons, person B having any negative feelings about that is actually the evil/offensive/pathetic act. Instead of questioning hierarchies and how our perceptions of “beauty” and “goodness” clouds the way we treat other humans.
It stems from how we're told stories and lessons of not being jealous or hurt that someone else has it better and that you should be grateful for what you do have. Like how we get told fairytales of a kind maiden who has an evil sibling and despite being given less quality gifts and given less love and attention she is not ever bitter and doesn't feel offended and oh if you want to be seen as the fair maiden and not the ugly selfish sibling then you'll do good to stop complaining at unfair treatment. And I mean I don't think I've seen anyone talk about the impact of lessons like this and how they shape views and expressions of emotions now.
When you said “the lengths whiteness will go to maintain its dominion on beauty”… I never really thought about ‘black fishing’ in these terms. But it’s so exact and the reason why black women get dismissed when we highlight certain issues. Those who enjoy privilege don’t want the imbalance to change.
This was so eye opening for me as a white woman. I continue to educate myself but it is hard to see my power since I've always had it without realizing I've had it. I love that you included other women in the conversation. This conversation has been needed for so long and I'm glad you're willing to have it.
I’m very happy you’re educating yourself and actively listening to these issues from other people even if you don’t relate. She really does have a way of articulating and explaining issues very well and is great with talking about multiple diversity issues while discussing such topics with different women!
@Ms. Val I have been seeing all your comments on here, and im just going to say this as nice as possible. You have issues, girl. I don't think you know what the word "educate" means if you have an issue with her using it in the context she did here. 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
I’m wondering if we’ve been conditioned to believe anger isn’t vulnerability. I think anger is a state of vulnerability so vast and complex that society latches onto the visceral in anger and labels it without fully understanding it. I love this piece. I loved especially the conversation with the women in this video. I was able to tune into my feelings of jealousy over the ease that comes with being white. And, I’m hungrier for the knowledge that will help me to be a better ally and disruptor of oppressive systems for my black sisters as a woman of color. Thank you for this.
The way I learnt about anger from my psyc classes is that anger is considered a secondary emotion. It masks deeper, more vulnerable emotions (hurt, fear, sadness, resentment, etc). An example I can think of is when a parent shouts at their kid for carelessly dashing into the street. What the child is seeing is the anger, but underneath is the parent's fear of what could have happened. Or when a couple is arguing and one says something hurtful and the other, instead of opening up about how hurt they feel, lashes out and makes their own hurtful comments.
Tee, you just always get it. It’s the gaslighting that’s tiring for me. I made a comment once that I’ve never seen so many white women rocking ponytails like they do now. Of course people started talking about them wearing ponytails as children. I’m referring to the now more urban look of ponytails, including defined baby hair. It seems pretty obvious to most Black girls what I meant. White girls today don’t look like the American Eagle wearing, straight laced white girls I went to school with. I see so much Black esthetic in white women now, it’s weird. As sis said, I know I personally don’t feel jealous of white women for their looks, like at all, but the simple ease of being white would be great to know how that feels for just a day. Even me saying that tho, doesn’t feel right, I’m not jealous of them, just tired. Tired of them continually getting to take, rebrand, colonize, and profit off of what comes naturally to us. All while acting obtuse to what is going on. Wonderful video.
a lot of nonblack folks treat black culture the way most of us treat flowers. they see the parts that they think are pretty, but they don’t actually know what makes it pretty or where it came from. then they pick it and they use it to decorate themselves and their space until it becomes a withered, distorted mess of what it once was.the Jesy situation pisses me off even more because there are no black celebrities are bleaching their skin and wearing traditional european styles to emulate whiteness. there are no famous brown people trying to emulate whiteness period and there won’t be for the foreseeable future because it’s very very very easy for white people to see how that’s wrong, but many act like it’s extremely hard for them to see how the opposite is wrong.
Why do things need to be separated by race? Yes, different cultures have their own traditions/hairstyles/food/music/dance/language/films/literature/festivals/religious holidays/i.e.CULTURE.....and yes we should acknowledge the history of culture. But I believe we should be open to sharing cultures, otherwise we are all living in separate bubbles determined by what body you happened to be born into... That's a step backwards, not forwards, surely..? 'White' culture isn't one thing, in the same way that 'black' culture isn't. It's mixed, it varies from country to country. History is complex and nuanced. Humans have migrated and shared their culture all around the world. And culture doesn't stay the same, it adapts over time, new things get integrated, things which are no longer relevant get dropped. Where do you draw the line? It's ok to cook and eat food from other cultures. But not clothes? Not hairstyles? What about learning and speaking other languages? The human experience should be shared as widely as possible, the more we understand eachother, the less people fear the unknown, fear the 'other'. We are all one. Yes we have differences, but we have more in common than not, and I would rather live in a world where people aren't told what they CAN and CAN'T do based on race. Yes, I am aware of the difficulties re:appearance/race in the beauty/music industry etc. I know that these issues stem from injustice, but I don't think we'll overcome this by separating culture into black/white. It breeds further division. When we share culture, more people learn about it, it breaks down barriers and negative stereotypes. For example, I've heard of children being sent home because they have dreadlocks/box braids. Clearly that is WRONG, but the the thing that makes it wrong is the *discrimination based on race* .You don't fix it by saying 'white people can't wear dreads/box braids'....all that does is make the hairstyle even more divisive. When we share culture, we can be free to learn about others and express ourselves better. When we decide who can use certain parts of culture depending on their race, you're playing the same game the racists are playing, and we don't need to be playing that game. We should be proving to them that culture doesn't have to be limited by what body you happened to be born into. We need to rise above this binary system of black vs. white, it does all of humanity a disservice and injustice. Peace💕🕊🌿
@@tigs6639 I think it might be offensive in that these white people are taking away from black culture while not crediting the culture or even respecting the people of the culture they're taking from. Imagine if it is a person saying they love sushi and kimonos but not fully owning up to that those are Japanese things and also being racist to Japanese people. Now imagine that a person like that made a fashion line of kimonos and warped their original purpose to where the history and culture of them is discarded and made a significant amount of profit over what any Japanese person has made. IT. IS. INFURIATING. Like okay. Kumbaya. Love and peace and all things sunshine and rainbows. But give credit like where it's due! Black people aren't so mad just because they are selfish and don't want to share their culture. They're mad bc they go work so hard to build a culture and then have it be used by white people without really giving credit as well as how white people can take part in the culture yet not get the stigma of it like black people do (i.e. called ghetto, ratchet, dirty, explicit, dangerous, violent).
I'm white and physically disabled and I find this convo really interesting in how it mirrors my own relationship with jealousy. I think because society puts down being disabled and likewise other things the assumption becomes self hatred because it's hard to fathom any different especially because it's an experience that's othered and then defined by outsiders by suffering. The suffering is almost naturalized and seen as inherent, not realizing their own hand in why we suffer. I'm jealous of accessibility, I don't want to abled. And I think accessibility is a term that's really useful here too. Access, ease, equal opportunity, comfort, that's all things normal to be jealous of. It isn't self hatred, but a response to a larger system that so often isn't taken into account by those of privilege who don't need to think of the system, so for them it translates to a personal, individual issue.
I have also felt wildly uneasy with people saying black women are "just jealous." For someone to think a demographic would be just jealous you have to think you are superior in some way for them to be jealous. To make that claim that without any nuance or empathy you are making a claim of supremacy over others in a slightly more subtle way. It just lacks empathy, it's a natural emotion for people to feel. As said in the video most people feel jealous when others are treated better. We need to introspect on why we might be treated better as white people and why thats unfair. Calling someone jealous to put them down simply just says I don't care about your feelings enough to acknowledge what I'm even doing, which is gross. If your going to be tacky and weird by blackfishing just admit that's what your doing, not just ignore other people's feelings and thoughts about it. Or even better just be respectful in the first place but I think we are past the point of hope of people will ever be less entitled.
“We need to introspect on why we might be treated better as white people and why that’s unfair”. I totally agree. Even bringing up too many trigger words around wypippo in youtube thread comments YT moderators will delete. UA-cam hates any free speech talk around social justice and critical race theory. It’s disgusting how they try to shut minorities up on this app. Smh.
I think a major part of this issues comes from white women’s fear of becoming anything other than the beauty standard and the peak of desirability within society. Because, as you all said, it is completely valid to be jealous of the ease in life that other people can experience, but that does not equal a lack of self love and does definitely does not equal malice. In reality, much of the issue comes from white insecurity and how white women project that onto black women.
Zoe I'm glad you can be honest about this. You're so correct. It came to me recently that the reason white women have a problem with crediting Black features like they have in the past, is because Black features are now more desirable than their own...even in their own community big lips and butts are "trendy." So it hurts someone ego who thinks they're Supreme, to have to admit that someone else's features are more desirable now. I even saw a white woman comment that big lips are just a woman's features. Like um...no big lips are predominantly in the Black race and it has nothing to do with gender lol. Both black men and women have that feature often. So it's just amazing to me how some people like to move the bar once it's no longer in their favor.
Non-black people at times see blackness as an accessory and not a culture and a fabulous race. That’s why they argue with us when we call out their appropriation of our cultures.
What exactly is blackness? A white persons interest in black culture is not affecting you whatsoever, you just been emotionally conditioned to see modern white people as racists. She’s not hurting “us” whatsoever and she can express herself. Race doesn’t determine you interests as a person and shouldn’t limit you self expression.
@@nylahw9348 You don't get to tell her that it doesn't affect her- or gas light her into believing that this isn't important if you have to ask questions like "What exactly is blackness". Interest and appropriation/fetishization are two entirely different things. Educate yourself.
@@_mjxkenshin Educate yourself on the harms the culture your trying to gatekeep does to your community. Nobody is gaslighting anyone, simply asking the question. Blackness isn’t a personality trait and is a relative description of black people influenced by the culture. Get your fact from books, not tabloids using your emotions as commerce.
@@nylahw9348 It’s pretty clear that the point of the video went right over your head. Anywayyy- you don’t get to decide what is and isn’t important to people, especially in terms of their cultural identity i.e. Blackness since you claimed you don’t even know what that is.
@@_mjxkenshin I don’t actually, because there is no such thing. Being black isn’t a personality trait and isn’t an excuse or attachment of myself. Black culture can be for black and non black people depending on their environment. Nobody’s silencing her but as a person Jesy deserves to express herself and her interest in the culture comes from interests as a person. Plus she’s not hurting anyone. Nothing went over my head. I’m just not thinking with my emotions.
love how you're adding other people's opinions into your videos!! i've always loved your videos but i feel like this structure makes the content even more intriguing and nuanced!
I think the thing that bothers me so much about this “ambiguous looking” trend (yes, trend) is 10ish years ago I had a classmate who used to make fun of my hairstyle and braids for almost my middle/high school life. Nowadays when I get friend suggestions on social media she pops up and is now rocking the same hairstyles she used to make fun of me for 🙃
I feel like it’s important to point out that even if it is jealousy, it’s exactly that. Jealousy, not envy. Black women aren’t mad that white women have something they don’t, they’re mad they’re taking something from our culture that isn’t theirs and getting something from it that you struggle to get when you’re not white.
Loved how informative, critical, and thought provoking your content is. As a Queer Biracial cis Male, I always love the exchange on very large topics that we all need to be having in regards to how racism is complex, and how largely we aren’t conscious of the emotions felt, when you either express these ideals or experience these ideals. My mother being a dark skinned black woman always informed me of her struggles with colorism, and the theft of black culture from non-black women, while experiencing anti-blackness from them simultaneously. As an ambiguous biracial, cis-male hearing these things and experiencing anti-blackness indirectly or hardly at all, always has had me studying people’s hidden disdain for blackness, and you catch on quick the more you understand. , and hearing how eurocentricity and it’s long impact on beauty, has always had people brainwashed in weirdness.
Whew! SPEAK! 'struggles with colorism, and the theft of black culture from non-black women, while experiencing anti-blackness from them simultaneously,'- David Arriaga If you didn't just encapsulate the essence of why Blackfishing is so morally wrong and how this literally rubs the oppression of black women in our faces. The taunting is insidious.
@@bluBlaq33 Exactly! There's something about that level of insidious gaslighting that is seriously disturbing. Especially when you think about how black women create these trends and styles or literally just exist within their own culture and are marginalized. Yet a white woman decides to come along and co-opt the cultural aesthetic, from the make up and hair styles to the perceived 'attitude' or 'swag' and act like it naturally came from them. Like they NEVER give props or attribution to black people yet they benefit economically from this because people invest in white women who co-opt black women. The Kardashian's whole empire is based on their proximity to a black aesthetic which is why everybody was so intrigued by them to begin with. A massive example of gaslighting in this scenario is when unambiguously black women are called jealous and bitter. This is such an anti-black statement, swaddled in misogynoir because it also peddles the belief that unambiguously black women can't possibly be happy with their own natural God given features, you know the ones that she was relentlessly teased in but apparently now look so good on non-black women who suddenly want to look that way whilst like you said, simultaneously look down on her. And let's not get into the black men cosigning this nonsense. The mind F is unreal and I'd go as far as to say it definitely mirrors a form of psychological abuse if you think of the systems of power and oppression at play. The multilayered marginalisation is evil.
I really appreciate you including a white woman in the conversation. It’s very validating to know that white women can at least attempt to understand what we’re going through and it’s not just us talking to ourselves.
You know whose voice is truly missing from this conversation? Mixed women. Because are these yties blackfishing or mixedfishing? Because as mediocre as opportunities are for black women in media, when a casting director is looking to hire a Lupita or a Viola, they know exactly who to look for and the impostors could never. So why are mixed women silent about The Unseasoned cosplaying their existence?
Because they are not frightened by that. Those black fishers could never seriously claim black, by biracial can, black men and and many women accept them as such, for different reasons of course. Even though these biracial cannot go to white communities and claim white, they are still worshiped in blk communities, despite all the anti blk comments they spew.
So you think it's fair to put a societal problem on mixed women? I mean, of course mixed women could add to the conversation. But it's not like them talking about it will fixed the problem.
You know that feeling when you’re a kid and you quietly make a joke under your breath and the more popular kid hears it, then repeats it louder and has the whole class laughing? I think it’s that kind of feeling. Very valid jealousy feeling even if it’s over something as minuscule as a joke. It’s not like you need credit or validation for it but it sucks to watch someone else get it in that moment. As soon as I hit puberty as a little black girl I was very jealous of the amount of desirability that white girls had. When straight guys interact with other straight guys that they obviously don’t desire they were very rough with eachother physically so I was always in fear that because most guys didn’t desire me that they would more likely be mean to me or violent. It was sort of irrational but also unfortunately somethings did happen and I had to physically protect myself on many occasions by people that didn’t see me as feminine enough to be respectful. I was never just jealous because white women had naturally straight hair or lighter skin etc. It was never a vanity thing but I was jealous of the benefits and privileges that they were awarded because of these features. I never wanted them because I thought I would look better I wanted them to fit it and to survive. As an adult I grew out of most of those feelings except for the trauma. I just love myself differently than I did as a kid I hope to be a positive role model for younger black girls. It’s a scary world out there.
What you mention about the need to protect yourself because you feared that it people that didn't seem to desired you will treat you violently is quite an important topic that nobody talks about. I'm from the middle east, and I fell jealousy of the amount of protection white women/people receive. They use to come to our country to show us how "empowered" they were, but in reality they were "protected" if something happened to them the military would've been mobilized and the media wouldn't stop talking about it. On the other hand, I knew for a fact that if the west saw me dying on the street they wouldn't care less, despite claiming they are in the country to "save" Muslim women. I was also jealous of white women being related to not only beauty but pureness which makes people more prone to help them. But us, Muslim women or any woman of color, we are seen as a threat, sadly.
Yknow as a minor here I can tell you that all of my poc friends hate white people, or are critical of them because of the privileges and ease they have with being white, which prevents them to see how other people have lesser privileges. I'm really glad that there's a lot of awareness, especially on the internet because if it weren't for that I would not be educated on this topic at all
i'm white so obviously i can't relate to your expeiriences as a black woman but i relate to what you said ab being scared bc men weren't attracted to you. in my middle and high school it was pretty much assumed that guys bullying girls was just not okay, but i as a girl still got bullied by dudes and i always felt like it was bc ppl didn't see me as pretty or feminine enough to deserve respect. stay strong girl sending love your way 💕
@@saintnicole3209 Same, I'm black though but I think a lot of girls can relate to that. When guys don't find you attractive they would treat you with less respect and bully you and see you as one of the guys so they wouldn't hesitate to beat you up. it sucks tbh
I would love to hear your perspective on ‘Black Girl Luxury’ and peoples opinions on UA-cam Beauty Gurus not being relatable anymore. That’ll be interesting to hear your perspective on this topic.
17:45 her talking about walking into a room and not expecting anyone to desire you hit so hard as a fat woman. Obviously I know that's completely not what the video is about but I really relate to that feeling of not looking like the people that have been deemed "pretty." Great video as always 💖
I had never heard of that show "H8R" but that Black woman talking about Kim really broke my heart. Black women endure so much gaslighting. The problem is always their response and we seldom examine what is is they are responding to. Making it worse, the pain (cuz that woman was hurt and frustrated underneath all of that) is either ignored or made into entertainment.
They straight up tried to make that sister look crazy and portray the angry black woman role on that show and it still angers me to watch bc she was speaking nothing but facts
White women are realizing there a benefits to being seen as “exotic” the Kardashian’s are a great example, they tout their Armenian ancestry as a way to blur the lines of their whiteness. Armenians are white, they are Caucasian and their mother has Anglo ancestry. They use this to justify the intensity of their tans and the loose curls which aren’t ethnic markers of Armenian heritage.
very true, but aren't armenians considered middle eastern? it's in west asia, not europe so i think technically the kardashians are only half white, while the jenners are fully white
Mixed fishing is the gate opener to appropriating black culture. Because the black race still participates in the one drop rule especially when it comes to women, this is part of the aftermath, not only are actual mixed race women replacing black women but other races of women with zero black in them are replacing black women because of mixed fishing and the rule that mixed=black Also them being so fascinated with erasing black women, that’s racism in it self.
When black women speak up about this people say the same thing “we’re just jealous” like honestly what is it to be jealous of? Why be jealous of someone who wants to portray me? Meee!!!!🤨
she became a solo artist they kicked her out of the group, the 'group' is totally jealous. Her management got Nicki and P Diddy in the video like their management took forever to get Nicki.
@@Minnie-yi8ki true the media also spin things way out of line for ratings. I love Jesy but parts of the video was cringey like the way the men were dressed and the teeth. Folks can't say anything anymore everyone is uptight.
this video was so well put. I always used to say "well there's nothing wrong with them appreciating my culture", but its not appreciation if they get more love than I do, a member of my ACTUAL culture.
Honestly, accusing people of being jealous is like sticking a band aid over a gun shot wound. It’s a quick fix to end a discussion and sometimes just seems like a more socially acceptable way to say “I don’t want to hear your side of the story”. It also helps to absolve the accusee of guilt and put them in the position of the victim, instead of the person stating their truths, valid or invalid. I think jealousy is in the mix of emotions for black women, yeah, but it’s a complicated cocktail of emotion. Especially since many black women have trauma around their own God given features, and watching the once hated features now be OVERTLY glorified is painful, and becomes more painful when they try to speak up but are told they’re jealous. Plus once the word jealous is used, anyone unable to see the reasoning of what’s being said will now shut down, and only hear anything else as jealousy. It’s like when someone is labelled insane, anything they do is them being crazy, even if it’s not, they now become dismissed.
I think it's important to say it's not only because it's being "overtly glorified" it's so fcking hurtful because it's being overtly glorified because it's not on us. It's hurts so much, because people only started seeing the beauty of black features......when it wasn't on a black woman.
To be jealous is to want something that is rightfully yours and is given to someone else. Envy is when you want what someone else has that is not meant for you. In this sense, jealous feelings are so valid and just misunderstood. This is not envy.
Jealousy and envy are interchangeable by Google dictionary standards + other random sources i sifted through. It says nothing specific if whether the thing you are envying/jealous about is something you are entitled to. I understand what you mean though. When we speak about being jealous it’s because we feel what you just described as jealousy. When we use envy instead, it’s often a lighter definition. We admire and desire what we don’t have that another does, but accept that it’s not meant for us. I get what you were saying, no matter what word anyone uses their feelings are valid, but ultimately they mean the same thing officially, we just associate these words differently from their meaning but neither is negative or positive.
@Livi Smith definitions are changed. Example, the definition of racist changed almost 3 years ago. It use to mean when a group had the means to hold another down by keeping them from the same opportunities they had, like destroying towns, discrimination against skin color and hair texture, housing, destroying towns, raping, murdering etc... Now it means the definition of prejudice: disliking someone based on race, sexual orientation, disability etc but says nothing about effectively stopping an entire race of people from economic equality or advancement. Makes it easier to call anyone a racist with this change.. So there's that.
Never thought of it like that, that’s a damn good analogy. However being jealous of something rightfully yours isn’t what I would call jealousy I would call it “wanting whatever that person took from you back”, you can’t be jealous of something that you had originally ie partners who cheated, money that was stolen, etc.
woah this conversation was so important & i love everyone's honesty 😭 like yeah, if jealousy is being mentioned as an accusation (like how nicki did it), then we'd try to deny it. but in reality, we have probably all felt this jealousy if/when we realize the unfair ways we're treated, verses how they get where they want to with less hassle
@@Zvwry I am not jealous neither. But jealousy doesn't mean you want to be someone. It means that you want to have something the person you're jealous of has. In this case it would equal wanted to be treated the same as the people appropriating.
For me, I'm not jealous of anyone. I'm just frustrated by the unfairness. I'm annoyed that it's rooted in dehumanization. We're subhuman when we're ourselves but other people are praised as a special kind of person for being able to duplicate us. It's dangerous. And I'm even more irritated by black people who not only allow it but support it (like the black male rappers putting insincere white artists on and black K-pop fans who excuse the b.s. and act so thirsty over scraps and the black choreographers who go to Korea and teach them how to act like us).
Maybe I am jealous. The way I’ve been treated personally, seen my mom treated, seen and heard other black women be treated juxtaposed to how the ww in my proximity are treated is TRIGGERING. It’s also exhausting and low key depressing but we do what we do…press on. I’m also pissed about it. So I guess I’m angry as well.
100% was jealous of white women when I was younger. Blonde hair, blue eyes, skinny... that’s what everyone desired. I had my Barbies and I wanted to be JUST like my Barbies, and would always complain to my mom about how people didn’t like me as much as the white girls. It really affected me growing up.
Emma has got to be one of the all-time worst offenders. I can't comprehend how that silly woman can still strut around with her head held high. Imagine the girlie at Christmas, sitting on the sofa, seventeen shades darker than every family member around her 🤣
TBH I'm jealous af.. jealous that other women that are not black can have a baby at the hospital without worrying about dying. I'm jealous white men can jog without getting shot I'm jealous that the white girl in the video can say the same thing I have been saying for decades but when I say it I'm just jealous
This is so timely. I’m literally writing a research paper on this exact topic for my American culture class. I’ll definitely be using this video for reference. Everything you said was spot on!
Hey girl! I just wanna let you know that tho i'm not a black girl I get so excited when i see a new video from you. I'm a south asian girl whos looking to understand the struggles of my black friends, especially women. Even tho our racist experiences are far different from each other, i often find solice and comfort in your stances of racism. On top of that your humour-calmness balance is perfect for me. Love u xx
On the jealousy bit, I felt that! It’s not that I’m jealous of the entire person, it’s that I’m jealous of my people’s traits (you know? The ones that they’ve been made fun of and abused for having) being surgically given to women who have been the beauty standard for a long time and they’re being PRAISED for it as if we weren’t born with them or aren’t a part of our culture. It’s like- of course I’m jealous! You’re taking a feature that we have naturally and gaining clout and fame for claiming it as yours- AND EVERYONE JUST LETS IT HAPPEN 🙃🙃🙃
I feel like We are giving NIcki too much credit. She has been in this world and a MAJOR NAME for a good min. She's had influence and knowledge for a good minute and to be honest Nicki knows better. She is helping in our oppression by CAPING for these FISHY BISHES....
They handle her with kid gloves because they don't want the smoke from her fans, I guess. Or they're "Barbs" themselves. Either way, they're not doing the discussion any favors.
The power imbalance. We can talk jealously all day, but the power imbalance is the real damn talk. I love your thoughts and the way you put these videos together. Thank you!
Love the British accent and yes Nicki Minaj is exhausting all the goodwill that I used to have for her. Finally, I think it would do us good to call it mixed fishing and let go of the one drop rule which is doing BW a real disservice. People be acting as if they don't know what a BW looks like because of the one drop rule.
Nicki lost me years ago when she used colorist/racist language against black women. She needs to watch what she says, especially as a mixed woman, because it's hella sus.
@@TswelosTales the one drop rule or “law” is where people validate another person as black as long as they have some sort of percentage of black in them. That means when bi-racial or multi-racial are accepted as black when they only have partial black in their heritage
the part about being jealous of the ease that comes with being white is really insightful! i don’t want to derail but i think that concept is also very applicable to other kinds of marginalization
17:35 I relate to her statement the most and it made me realize that I too don’t expect to be desired walking into a room, just as mental preparation for being treated like shit
The outrage or pain that black women feel when seeing yt people benefiting from cosplaying as racially ambiguous, enjoying proximity to blackness however never being able to understand and experience the other side of the systemic issues that allow them to move like that. To reduce black voices feelings to JUST jealousy … imagine how tired we are 😐
I think another part of the "you're JEALOUS" silencing is the implication that you're JUST jealous. Right? It's easier to call someone "jealous" than acknowledge that they're on the receiving end of an injustice, and that that's where any harsh feelings (including but not limited to jealousy) may be sourced from. The subtext of "just" jealousy is: you're not receiving the same recognition because you're inferior, and you're insecure in who you are. And it's like, no, plenty of Black women are happy to be Black women. Black women have a lot to be proud of. They don't have the same privileges as white women. They would like to be their authentic selves and be readily embraced, like white women are when they appropriate their shit. There need be no inferiority complex.
I really do think that blackfishing is so profitable because “looking” black or racially ambiguous is what “pop culture” today is. You can LOOK black, you just can’t BE black. If you are, you have to be ✨black✨ I’m so tired of getting asked what I am…. I am black. Not ✨black✨, just black.
@@92enpuissance Now some of this could be because I am lighter skinned with a looser curl pattern, so I may have just been annoyed my entire life because of this 😭😭but I think women who look more racially ambiguous or who are a very light black person are glorified in media today. They all have features that are closer to the European standard of beauty. They often look “mixed” or “exotic,” and normally have a style that is glorified by pop culture. That is why I think white women make money off of looking racially ambiguous, because they ARE the European beauty standard, and they can profit off of that. Especially during the aftermath of the Floyd protests, they find that they can “double dip” so to speak. I hope that answered your question, love ❤️
I was talking about this exact thing with my beautiful friend the other day.. we were talking about the whole "racially ambiguous" thing and how there seems to be soooo many white women trying to look ethnically ambiguous on Instagram lately. Especially like influencers who are using that "aesthetic" to sell shit and make money. And after she says in a jokingly dejected way "well... I'm just plain old black.. nobody is going to pay me for my boring look" and I was like "yep.. black without the benefits" and we started laughing so hard lol she was like that's such a good way to describe it! Haha But it all seriousness there does seem to be a very large increase in the amount of women like this I seen on my for you page. A lot of them you honestly think they are black until you see the comments calling them out. It's so wrong. I don't think it's jealousy at all... I think it's anger and it's completely justifiable.
I absolutely hate the fact black women get called 'jealous' when it's clear that society is absolutely bs towards women, in particular black women, and I feel like that's just a way to oppress women 'like oh you're jealous' so you feel embarrassed /humiliated and can't speak up. I find it especially disgusting when men try talking shit about black women. I feel like it is mostly men or pick-me women who try and put other women down. It 100% is a silencing tactic. They are just weak low value men. Again, regarding the 'jealousy', as a white woman, I myself would feel so pissed if women of another race were somehow viewed more desirable primarily because of their race. I don't think it's jealousy but perhaps sometimes anger because of a great injustice. I take time to look good and take care of myself and to have that just pushed aside because of factors out of my control would be so invalidating. I'm not self victimising but I wanna give my perspective as a white woman. In the uk there tends to be this huge beauty standard of darker skin and bigger lips. You're right that it isn't particularly associated with being 'black' but jesy definitely is blackfishing as there is a clear combination of factors. She's purposely looking ambiguous. Because I think you're right in that black features are 'sexualised' they're more embraced on white or even mixed race women. No skin colour or features are better than any other. I think women just need to love one another and hype eachother up. We should all embrace our natural self or the styles we like and anyone who doesn't accept that can f off. I wish beauty standards were more inclusive of all colours, features and people. Real people, not fake exotic features on white women. Women of all races are beautiful and that includes black women. Rant over, haha.
Should we add that dismissing "jealousy" as an excuse to not listen to someone's concerns is due to its relation with emotionality and therefore with typically feminine traits?
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@@florice9036 thanks!
Weaponizing. That is what Nikki, and the likes, does. They weponize and further encourage the mistreatment and minimalizatiom of Black women. Jackie Aina just spoke about this the other day. That whole video is🔥🔥🔥, check it if you haven’t already. LOVED THIIIIIS. THANK YOU
you should do a collab with thee mademoiselle
Jesy is the classic white woman that loves black culture, specially when it comes to music and style, but stays quiet in front of prejudice, Leigh Anne has been suffering with racist comments since day one and she said that she never talked about that with her, so black people's culture is amazing until you have to actually to support a sister
Leigh Anne is biracial so let’s be honest she has privilege to 🤷🏽♀️
@@layacharmion she has privilege but that doesn't exclude the amount of racists comments she recieves to this day
@@layacharmion Yes but she’s the only unambiguously black woman in that group (despite being mixed) and has suffered from anti black racism as a result. Jesy is a white woman, has always received love and support from the fandom and has way more privilege than Leigh.
@@sugarpearl9781 shes not unambigously because she straight up looked mixed! Black people need to seriously let go of the one-drop rule and stop seeing mixed women like her as racially black. How are we gonna complain about racism, but some of us *still* continue to use white supremacy tacts like the one-drop rule??
@@layacharmion She stands out as the darkest of the group, which will lead to targeted hate. I remember when i was a fan of Little Mix and One Direction and how much hate Leigh and Zayn got cause she's black and he's the only poc. It doesn't matter how mixed you are, if you're standing out amongst your peers, you'll be targeted.
It's like everyone can benefit and commoditize Black women's culture but Black women 😮💨
Box braids on black girls are "ghetto" but box braids on white girls is "trendy".
wordddd. the way people keep hush about their faves “acting black” or portraying themselves as phenotypically racially ambiguous - it’s getting out of hand now ngl. funny how black women are responsible for most things profitable in society but bear no fruit from it. I’ve had enough…
@@lizzie7219 they're hip and urbannnn
@@timitwoshoes say di tings dem 👏🏾
@@lizzie7219 lawd don't get me started bout the police Brutality of Black hair... Wait i like that title. I might torn that into a vid if Tee hasn't already lol
“Jealousy is used as an accusation for doing something bad when it’s really just a valid emotion when someone is being treated better than you” is on point
that whole part of the video… omg.
then yeah they have every right to be jealous.
That part was well said...💯
She is ALWAYS spot on! I swear I love her!!!!
Such a potent insight. Caught me making that mistake, and now I have learned something that I can be better
Black women are the only group of women who are expected to cheer and support our own demise.
Finally someone said it
Daaamn
THISSSSSS
damn
my god that's not even blackfishing, americans have no other topics just race and blackfishing but she doesn't even look black so what's your problem leave her alone, she can do what she wants
"Maturing is realizing that Nicki Minaj is a goofy." 💀 Girl. I seen that quote on Facebook and it keeps haunting me.
Whew a word 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Girl, yes!
This quote is so accurate
She is that loud and dense Karlie Redd ditzy.
Nicki is not even black either she is Trinidadian not African.
Hearing that for white women "costuming blackness is costuming desireability" helped everything click into place.
The women who are blackfishing can't live up to white standards of beauty. Jesy Nelson will never be a Taylor Swift, a Bella Hadid.
If a black woman looked like Jesy Nelson, she would not be deemed "beautiful" either. She's average-looking (and there is nothing wrong with an average face!).
But a white woman costuming blackness? Attractive. That's a loophole they are ready to exploit.
That makes sense
THISSS
I think you're being way too nice in calling her "average-looking"
you’ve cracked it.
Jesse is not attractive tho sooo....🤔
"We use jealousy as a silencing tactic"
Michelle spit some truth bars right there
For sure she hit that nail right on the head !
Right.
YES
The little laugh after you said Nicki-FELT 😭
Hi Shanspeare
Felt deep, especially when the patois came in cuz whew 😅
SHANSPEARE HELLO DARLING !!! PLEASE THE COMMENTARY QUEENS.
but on a real note, nicki stans gatekeep criticism way too much.
@@misslaurynhill true but "gatekeep criticism" ?y'all truly just be throwing words together nowdays😭😭
As an Asian woman, seeing the beauty standards change over the years like you were saying I’ve mostly seen centered on white women and even more recently when black or Asian features are in style it’s still black and Asian features on white people that’s really “in style” rather than actual people of color themselves. I also definitely think sexualization and fetishization are such a major player in the conversation. I have to say most times when I see people black fishing or Asian baiting it is most often women and the traits they steal are often most associated with sexualization like curvier figure or darker skin or slanted “foxy” eyes being exotic and indicating sensuality and sexy ness. Physical features should not be indicators of a certain type of person yet people still see them as such.
Having big boobs and ass isn't black features, I grew up thinking I was fat for my natural body shape. Insta lips on white women tho is shady af. White women also don't fit the standard of beauty, no one can The entire point is to be exclusive, elitist and rich.
How insightful and a first for me.👏🏾👏🏾
@@jayncoclassic Having a big butt can happen in any race, of course, but the shape IS very different. More often (but not always) white women have a big butt, it's big because it's wide (but still flatter), but black women's tend to "bubble" outwards (I'm sitting on one now), so that's the difference. So, they don't look/move the same, and because of social media and the like, the focus on big albeit round butts has increased. But not just any big butt is considered attractive. The pronounced roundness is something black women are known for, and that's the goal. So, it's drastically changed from the days when white women were trying to make it as small as possible to now where they're exercising to enhance what they have and make them rounder.
Part of the problem with the "foxy eyes" thing is that a TON of black women naturally have that eye shape (and, no, not in that vague, blonde-haired "black" children pic kind of way) and have been accused of copying Asian features. A ton of influencers and celebrities have those eyes naturally; Kennie JD looks like a whole half-Asian woman but she's fully black. Then you have Asian Doll, Tokyo Jets, Brandy Norwood, etc. If what scientists say is true, everyone came from Africa, so that's gonna happen. So I'm not talking about people who are simulating that; I'm making zero excuses for that, but I'm talking about people accusing black women who have those features naturally being accused of it. And as a side point, I know East Asians will be pressed to hear it, but black features are closer to Asian features than white ones are...but that's another story.
@@LadyAstarionAncunin oh yeah I definitely agree with your point. I know other races even a lot of latinx people can also have that eye shape for sure. I’ve seen a lot of people on the internet accusing poc for features they naturally have and I think just going around and accusing everyone randomly takes away from the actual conversation on why imitating certain features for certain reasons has negative effects. Like having slimmer and more slanted eyes is seen as sultry and seductive when it’s literally just an eye shape. Personally I just see it more in the Asian community affecting the over sexualization of Asian women probably because that’s the community I hang out most in but definitely it does affect anyone with that eye shape to be perceived as more sexual.
as usual I am TUNED IN!!! Love seeing new uploads from you
love you jackie!!! you deserve all the success you have !!!! xoox
hey jackie, didnt expect to see you here haha.
Nice seeing you here girl
omg queens
A Queen supporting another queen. Love to see it. 🥰
I think this is a conversation that I’d like to see older black women have. How can one be jealous of something you already have? The word they’re looking for is righteous indignation.
Well done. I felt uncomfortable with that “jealous” reference. Very intuitive, thank you for identifying this. It’s not a question of “jealousy” but the validity of us expressing ourselves an that equates to righteous indignation in its entirety.
AMEN
BEEN LOOKING FOR THIS COMMENT FOR EVER THATS WHAT I SAY ALL THE TIME WE BLAQ WOMEN ARE THE CULTURE HOW TF CAN WE BE JEALOUS IF ANYTHING THEY ARE OF US THEY'RE IMITATING US TF
Facts
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I recognize that look when you talked about Nicki lol. I know exactly how you feel
She and Kanye would make a fun couple. I can imagine both of them appearing on Fox news explaining how the real slavery is vaccination.
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@@tomasallende9583 y'all are dYING to frame people as republican, first Lana Del Rey, then Taylor Swift, Rihanna and now Nicki Minaj. It's getting weird.
@@pvssology Was that a trigger for you? You wanna unpack that?
@@agnusredel3709 But I never said that, I said appearing on Fox news. Which is pretty close to reality. Don't y'all me... lol
that statement about walking into a room and knowing men might treat you like less because they're not attracted to you is so powerful. it really is so painful to see the way some men treat you if they're not interested. it's like they won't even make eye contact or talk to me like a person, like they're afraid of giving me ideas.
I hear this but also men can smell insecurity a mile a way. And They’ll either take advantage of it or be repulsed by it.
this gave me a pang and i agree. bro i just wanted to know where the bus stop is....i don't live my life to serve and worship men.
To clarify, it's not like im so worried about their attention all the time, it's about basic respect. What if I'm just asking you about good food to eat in town? You don't have to avoid me like I'm diseased just because you don't want to fuck. It's frustrating and dehumanizing.
@@lukesguywalker How old are these guys? I thought only high school boys acted that immature.
And its weird too bc I feel the same but am also uncomfortable with male attention. Like leering and whatnot. Granted, the latter doesn't happen as often to me lmao!
"you're not supposed to start looking like us-you're supposed to start dismantling white supremacy."
Teanna was on it!
I hate when people call it jealousy. It’s not about looking like nobody it’s about receiving the bare minimum of respect from other people.
Is that a mustache?
@@Onepieceistheworstanime you tryna be funny? 😐
@@squidwardsclarinet No, I asked a simple question.
@@Onepieceistheworstanime Ok say it was a mustache, what does it have to do with their point? Clearly you was tryna be funny. 😃
Sheboygan. I agree with you please blacks stop talking jealous. We all want to be treated equally who cares about color . I think it gets next to crissy
Let's be real. These women don't want to look black, they want to look mixed with black/biracial or just racially ambiguous. They definitely want to sound black though.
Thissss. They want the all the exoticism and none of the hardship
Mixed fishing is the gate opener to appropriating black culture. Because the black race still participates in the one drop rule especially when it comes to women, this is part of the aftermath, not only are actual mixed race women replacing black women but other races of women with zero black in them are replacing black women because of mixed fishing and the rule that mixed=black
Yea but they wanna look mixed with BLACK specifically
Exactly!!!!!!!
Exactly
I did a paper in my women's studies class in college explaining favoritism towards the white race in marketing underwear and how "nude" is not nude to me. The trio of basic colors are beige, white and black. It was over 10 years since I wrote the paper so I don't remember all the details, but I remember watching the faces of the students and it was if the thought never crossed their minds. I was introducing an idea that they never had to think about. Like an "ah-ha" moment. Videos like this are important for not just black women for validation, but all races because they are truly blinded in their world. Thank you beautiful ❤️
Nude isn't nude to many people. They need to get rid of that word. I'm too white to wear nude it looks bright pink, it only works with some white people, it's dumb and exclusive.
Yeah too bad you didn’t take that as an opportunity to create a company. 🤷🏾♀️ The key to creating a company is finding a problem and creating the solution.
@@marriejames01 I did own a company at that time that I started when I was 18 getting people without insurance their medications for free. I had to close it once the Affordable Healthcare Act was established by my market was the uninsured. I was able to keep it open for 10 years and help a lot of people 😄
Yeah it's true these videos are educational for white folks such as myself. It is exactly as you say, an 'ah-ha' of when perceiving something for the first time that I was just too deep into to have such a vantage point - like a fish doesn't know it's swimming in water sort of thing. She's really skilled at what she does. Much credit to her.
I had a white co worker compliment me on my brown shoes that were in my office. She said it was an interesting colour. Like bitch they are nude
I absolutely love that the video includes the opinions of multiple women alongside your own
They were so good!
And one non binary, I think.
Agreeeed
I think Tee really encapsulates why don't really find the black fishing or even sometimes the cultural appropriation conversations all that fascinating. Sometimes it just feels like either these people are just real tacky or they're trolls and they pretending that they don't know.
Mixed fishing is the gate opener to appropriating black culture. Because the black race still participates in the one drop rule especially when it comes to women, this is part of the aftermath, not only are actual mixed race women replacing black women but other races of women with zero black in them are replacing black women because of mixed fishing and the rule that mixed=black
@@PrincessYonna1 No, bm were the gate openers to the cultural appropriation of black culture. Y'all are grasping at straws here. Just let it go. The ones in the industry gladly give women like this jobs over bw. It is what it is. They were called A List in that Straight Out of Compton casting call.
@@thisismyname8735 exactly!!!
@@thisismyname8735 THANK YOU although it isn’t just men THE BLACK AESTHETIC is being sold for a profit BY US! Y’all mad at the white women but they’re just doing what their told. remember Rita Ora ?! We all thought she was black. And her label (Roc Nation) was ok with getting us to think that. We need to hold our OWN accountable that’s the only way to provoke some kind of change
@@Siredgey you right and she even went on the Breakfast club saying she liked the privileges it awards her with people thinking she’s Black
“We don’t have to wait a couple decades to be examined by the future generation, we can go ahead and talk amongst ourselves right now.” Say thattt.
Another thing that makes calling out black fishing so detrimental to black women is the fact that we have our own black brothers who aid our oppressors in gaslighting our claims and gleefully assist in throwing black women under the bus. It’s sad.
That's really the problem. They know we don't have any backup because the men are approving of it. Not enough black men have a problem with it, and a lot of them like it. It's disgusting.
Birthing the enemy 👀
They will literally type essays and dissertations to defend the white womans right to black fish smdh. Just embarrassing
@@elizabethdalgliesh6085 definitely has been a major convo going on of black women should start making the decision to stop birthing them…honey I’m childless and I can’t say I haven’t thought about it bc at this point, most of the guys out here subscribe to that colorist,
Sickening mentality so why would I want to contribute to that..
And that’s on period! 💯 but ppl are truly not ready for that convo
i just hope leigh-anne is doing alright, she's just had twins and i can't imagine what the online hate must have felt like, especially since it was so sudden (i just dont believe she sent messages to a random ass """fan""" suddenly talking shit)
He has receipts 🧾 😭😭🤷🏽♀️
@@layacharmion facts but then again they may be fake and made up for clout.
Hope she is literally Ignoring social media. So unimportant in the long run!
@@layacharmion Does he have screen recordings? Cuz screen shots are easy af to fake
@@kaylalaufeyson8828 my thoughts exactly. if, IF, she were to talk about this, why wouldn't she talk to a big drama journalist and make some money over it? like, why would she rant to a random person online and risk getting exposed... we are in 2021, receipts can be faked
as one of many black women who were relentlessly bullied for cornrows, big lips, and dark skin at a young age...this was very enlightening and a great conversation. looking forward to developing friendships in which i can discuss topics like this! love your work tee, you're like a sociological-concept-questioning big sister!
I appreciate this comment so much!
I honestly felt this too.
You hit the nail ..right on the head. love it .
Very very true and I am brown skin girl and I was bullied for my features and it weird to see them try to use filters and tans for our features, also looking at your pfp your very beautiful and you look like you have a nice personality
@@yolonniekmp aaah thank you! it is totally weird to see stuff like that to me. funny how trends and ideals change.
As a black women, I don't what happened to me but I really don't care about blackfacing and culture appropriation anymore. I'm done like I'm experiencing a burnout. I don't care. I'm just living my life man. I'm tired of explaining my culture.
Honestly same
I used to be very radical about these topics, but I experienced like a burn out too. I felt like I was being too serious about my own culture, which is something I've always liked to share in a fun way and to everyone. In the end, I came to the conclusion that people can make whatever they want with my culture, as long as they're not straight up mocking it. It's actually very simple, and is just a matter of respect.
Yea girl I’m leveling up and thinking about myself .
It’s getting time for bw to stop explaining themselves, everyone knows they don’t care , it’s time we embrace and enjoy life .
I’m with you, How do I keep giving my opinion on that but I honestly do it knowing that nothing is going to change, nothing! all this is going to continue to happen and people are tired of hearing the same thing all the time and that nothing happens. The same happens when, for example, in the world of kpop, a white person making cultural appropriation and saying the N-word and well, white fans are always like “they have apologized, what else do you want” that is, and they go on and on doing the same and then they apologize and people are tired of it because they know that every time they are going to screw up just an apology and that's it they don't care anymore because they know that most of their fans are white and if they ever disrespect the black community does not care much, they make an apology and everything is forgotten.
Good! Cuz I got tired of explaining to people like you why culture appropriation is not a thing and was never gonna be taken serious. And time proved me right
I see what you mean. I definitely care though. But I do want to care less. It’s very draining to care about something that you can’t really fix or change especially with people blindly defending it..
Hey!! I'm an Indian, and I'm pretty tuned into understanding cultural appropriation and black fetishism, and I just want to say that THIS IS SO INFORMATIVE AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND AND RESONANT WITH UR THOUGHTS! Like, it's sickening to see how on a global scale, black beauty is being comodified and sold as an "aesthetic" yet there's blatant and rampant racism whether on the internet or in physical reality. And it's super frustrating just witnessing it as an outsider (not part directly as part of the community, more involved as growing (in terms of educating myself) anti-racist). Even here in India, looking at beauty standards and making a parallel of colourism here, the growing trend of using black beauty (specific make-up styles and techniques, big lips, etc.) but yet being ignorant on the importance of it, and not self reflecting, that's what frustrates me, I can't imagine how black women are so so tired and angry with this ignorance and appropriation! Using a skin colour as an aesthetic, it's just plain disgusting! And people need to start realising what their individual contribution to racism is and start making changes in their lives!
Love your comment
This comment right here💯💯💯
Fantastic and insightful comment.
Thank you.
Amazing comment! But in India, cultural appropriating black culture is growing!?
im sri lankan and i feel the EXACT same way!
Nicki did what she always does: cause unnecessary controversy to distract from the predatory men in her life. Last time, she was distracting for her brother. This time, she’s distracting for her husband. 🤷🏽♂️
🤭 no lies here whatsoever
She actually disowned her brother. But yeah ur right about petty
No because we rlly need to talk abt it
Ur still talking about it tho 😭😭
@@c45177 lie again
When I saw the music video I said "how come this yt woman looks darker than Nicki??" And Nicki flew in caping hard for her... just embarrassing
the excuse that "you're jealous" is up to the artists, you can't like Ariana Grande, you can't say anything about Blackpink or other people, the fans automatically "no, what happens is that you're jealous of them because you'll never get to be who they are ”like what ?!
This! Fans immediately take opinions and say they’re hate comments when they aren’t. Opinions and hate comments are 2 different things.
These fans bend over backwards to defend random celebs from 'jealous haters'. Celebrity worshippers.
I think it’s projection, they look up and idolize these celebrities and want to be them, thus any criticism is taken as “you’re saying something bad about someone **I** want to be.”
You named two people or one persona and a group that comes to my mind right away. It's definitely like the other person who commented, they want to be like them and so any slight against the artists is a slight against them when in reality it shows that they can't take accountability over their own actions.
And that's why I despise stan culture. It just removes any accountability from the person/people being stanned
'Whiteness knows no other position than at the forefront of what is considered beautiful' Girl you better PREACH 👏👏
Actually, I don't personally think only white is beautiful, I like to see different forms of beauty, colour, culture, size, etc. Its all beauty to me but perhaps I am more open minded in that way...
@@KristenKras this doesn't really mean much in the conversation about whiteness unfortunately. Being an individual who does your best to see beauty in everyone under a system that works very hard to only promote images of white or white adjacent beauty doesn't really challenge the standard. Whiteness is an invented construct, socialised into being seen as the norm through violence, colonial and imperial. It has only ever existed as an imposed standard unto other humans .
@@KristenKras individualism doesn’t apply to this situation
@@helloagain6243 Have you looked at media? It’s pretty obvious in commercials/ads, tv tropes. It’s gotten better but history never lies
@TampaDoll sometimes I have the feeling that Black Americans actually forget that they are A Minority in the USA, and that the world doesn't mirror their reality or issues.
When talking about the jealousy, the way I would describe it is like answering a question but the teacher doesn't hear you and then a classmate says the same answer as you and gets rewarded for it. Of course you'd feel jealous. That was YOUR answer, it was yours to begin with, someone stealing it and then saying they were just "appreciating" it would obviously make you mad.
Then you call out that person right then and there for directly stealing your answer. I feel like this is more like being jealous because someone has the same answer as you but they have never met you in their life 😅
Ok you are an adult now, get over it! Dont be like the teacher then. But to carry on a grudge and hold an entire race responsible isnt fair. I was robbed at gun point and got my jaw broke by a black man twice my size when i was 17 so should i hold that against all the rest? Or just the ones that look like him??
@@saralenagriffith6509 this have absolutely nothing to do with the subject. you should go check if you still have a trauma from that punch cus it’s worrying
@@iceek1778 i dont still have trama about it any more at all, but when my jaw was wired i was for the first couple weeks, but i got over it and i dont hold it against everybody else and it happend to me not my ancestors that ive never even met.
@@saralenagriffith6509 OK you missed the point. Is that guy now making money of the fact that he broke your jaw? That money he stole? was it more then a million?and was it more then 30 million black man that did this to you? are they now walking around with a jaw that looks like yours and cashing in on it? Do they get recognition now for what was your look? And do you get left in the dust by it? You we're unlucky to meet 1 bad black guy out of dozens of bad apples just like in any other race. I'm sure it's not all white people who do this with beauty (other subjects maybe?) It's usually people with money, power and influence that set the narrative and those who follow. Are you one that follows? then you don't need to feel like you fit the bill. But you can help by not being biased!
Black women tried for years to conform to European beauty standards. We tried. We still got invalidated, discriminated, and called ugly. Ugly. We have now embraced ourselves as we are. Our people are recognizing our own beauty. And the world sees it. And now they’re looking over the fence into our yard and want to take this too. Can we have anything of our own? If not can they at least credit their inspiration and break off some of the bread they earned on generations of our tears? Thats all. Girl want to look like us? Pay. Nothing is free.
All Facts! However, the one thing that I didn't hear mentioned is that often the inclusion and diversification of spaces and ideas are done so with the intent to destroy the idea or space.
you should go back to school and learn that europe is a continent that consists of multiple countries with more or less similar cultures and thus they also have different views on beauty standards..............................................................
@Myllena Silva what type??? i guarantee you the blonde blue eyes fair skin type is not the same beauty standard in the entire fucking continent.
@@nicossbots
Why are you cursing at folks over someone else's beauty standards? Bye girl.
@@ladybluelotus someone missed my point willingly. bye u too
Absolute RESPECT for the time an effort that everyone put into this. Tee taking the time to find insightful creators with unique opinions that all seem to shine a light on the importance of the topic, the way the questions are formatted to make the creators being interviewed really think about them was intriguing, and how each creator who was interviewed was asked a different open ended question. The way Tee put it all together in a way that was comprehensive and easy to follow is actually impressive considering the complexity of the topic itself. Watching Tee’s videos has given me an insight into my own white privilege, and society as a whole, that I wouldn’t have gotten otherwise. Im genuinely grateful to Tee for opening my world up to maturity and growth.
Nicki Minaj is cognitive dissonance walking on two high heeled feet. She uses the protect and accept black women thing when it is convenient for her but she carries so many anti-black sentiments at the same time. She’s too talented to be so inconsistent in her views toward black women 😭😭😭.
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I agree she absolutely does this, i think shes also losing her mind too😂
@@vixensiren248 girl yes! She’s been in the game too long and she needs to seriously retire this time and enjoy her time away. But she doesn’t wanna give up that crown! 😭👑
Nicki Minaj does everything to look like a blonde hair blue-eyed white Barbie doll! She got a BBL and her breast done and tons of surgery to her face. Look at her before and after picture.
I’ve only read the title and yet I already know you did not miss ONCE this entire video
tee NEVER misses
FR shes one of my fav ytbers
SAME!
Except I may have! Watch & lmk
@@TeeNoir Just watched the whole thing and I was right!! I love that you included the opinions of other intelligent people so this video really feels like a conversation. You're hands down one of my favorite UA-camrs and I hope you keep doing what you're doing :)
P.S. girl PLEASE give us the Sex Education video. I have THOUGHTS
Loved the definition for blackfishing as "a racial masquerade that operates as a form of racial fetishism" will attribute to the Leslie Bow and use for any upcoming DEI discussion and/or webinars. Love your channel! Keep up the great work!
Now that is a great definition
Jealousy pins women against each other. It's sad that women can only gain respect from men if we're attractive to them. Imagine a world where a women's life wasn't just about how attractive she is. Where opinions are heard. Where colors aren't favored at all. Men saw women as people and not something to obtain, and women seeing other women as a friend and not a threat. Jealousy holds us back. But it's not anyone fault in being jealous, our social status relies on being attractive and everyone is trying to one up each other, choosing and picking which parts are desired to put on themselves. And beauty is selling more and more and becoming more and more outragous with surgery, filters, and makeup
True sizt
Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad
True
To add on to what you said, the media portrays women as such jealous backstabbing people, especially when it comes to men. In reality most women want to feel beautiful & help other women feel beautiful but men always want to insert themselves into the picture.
@@itssoulfr836 THISSS
The discussion of jealousy being a neutral emotion was so insightful, I'd never thought of it that way before. Amazing vid as always Tee 👏
Jealousy is a neutral natural feeling..but the way people react as a result of that neutral feeling is what gives it that negative tone..
Yes Jealousy is a natural reaction....but a very negative one. And one that we should not support or encourage. Deadly sin. 😔
With that framework, every emotion is neutral. What becomes negative or positive is the way you deal with each instance of feeling emotion.
@What's Kpopping? Err....Yes I did. What is it with people that do not understand others may have a different opinion to theirs. Its WEIRD. 🤷🏽♀️
@@denisewest3858 Okay but the video explains how jealousy is only bad if people deal with it in harmful ways. People can deal with jealousy in healthy ways, and that prevents the badness from happening.
Calling someone jealous highlights the fact that there is something to be jealous of. If black women aren't treated as less than, they wouldn't need to be jealous right? there'd be nothing to be jealous of. So calling black women jealous is basically admitting that black women are stepped on and hypersexualized for certain features they are known to possess, while non black women and specifically white women are placed on a pedestal almost regardless what features they possess.
and YASSS give us that sex ed video!!
Hit the nail on the head!
It's weird and ridiculous when peeps say bw are jealous. Y would we be jealous about features we naturally have that others are trying to imitate thru surgeries, makeup, fillers, etc.
@KCJYeah, I do get the treatment part. Quite unfair and that could bring jealousy every now and then. But then, If men desire non bw regardless, y get those black features then?
@KCJ To an extent..yes. But it's moreso a mislabeling of the true issues as hand. It's truly about a (lack of) accountability, blatant disrespect, the violence of entitlement.
I really feel a connection w/ this vid, cos bein’ latino/hispanic, as a kid I’d be called monkey and Tarzan cos of my hair and facial features. I’d been made fun of cos my culture’s aesthetics/trends we’re concerned “ghetto” or “ratchet”. But now it’s okay when white guys dress up like us, perm they’re hair, tan their skin, learn our language/dialects/vernaculars and try an call it “street/urban/edgy style”, or even go as far as to claim to be “1% Cuban” too try to pass as us. So now I truly comprehend and understand, that it’s not that we’re jealous or angry. We’re just irritated and upset of being criticized/made fun of, then robbed and given absolutely no credit of what we created. Without us and all of our cultures, pop culture won’t exist.
Honestly its like putting in all the work while someone else takes credit. They wanna look like us, cool but why do we have to be labeled "ghetto" and "ratchet". They are taking human beings and our culture and pretending it's a trend. Doing the same stuff but getting praised for it, only we created it.
YES THIS!! this is so disrespectful!! im mexican and i see it happen with cholo culture so much and like everyone makes so much fun of them and treats their culture like delinquents (note they come from a harsh enviroment of everyday violence so theyre a product of their surroundings) but the moment a white passing pretty boy uses their mannerisms as an "aesthetic", just like you said its deemed as "urban" and now its cool like what in the actual fuck??
@Khadijah Scurvin my heart goes to y'all
Thank you for sharing from a male perspective as often this thought of solely as a female discussion. Totally agree with your comment
When i was a child i had red hair and freckles on my face and i got bullied my school was mostly black and hispanic. But kids are gonna find what ever they can to bully someone probably they dont know any better and its usually kids that dont get attention from their parents or problems at home maybe their parents are going through a divorce and they just dont know how to deal with it so they take their frustrations out on somebody else. But we grow up, and should know better, lets stop participating in racism , or its never going away . ive never seen so many adults playing victim to this acting like they were a slave and like i put them there, and i aint even racist but because im white i have to pay and constantly appoligize, and its like well everyone is free now so wtf?
Sometimes I don’t know how to feel seeing the features I was bullied for as a kid become a “trend”
It becomes a problem for me when people want to look and sound black but don't speak up against racism and racial injustice. It becomes a problem for me when people wanna say black people are stealing trends (that are from black culture) from them (Nikita Trashgun and her statements) It become a problem for me when I and my black community are discriminated against and demonized for expressing our culture and pride in our hair, but other people are praised for it. I just think it's incredibly hypocritical and that's it
Exactly 👌🏾
"Nikita Trashgun" bumboclaat💀💀💀💀
It's one reason why I'm irritated about K-pop. When are these channels gonna start tackling that en masse. I live in East Asia, and they really think that Koreans thought that stuff up themselves, even though they have black choreographers (or Koreans who spent time in the U.S.) teaching them everything and having them literally study us. It's all fake. For a buck. I don't care what their music says. They don't even know, like, or trust us. It's all surface level. I don't have a problem with Asian people succeeding, obviously, but stop using our culture to do it.
What do you want her to do? She already spoke against racism
@@julianharris6698 what are you talking about? No one said she never did. I only stated my issues with cultural appropriation and non POC using POC’s traits to seem trendy while discriminating against the POC whom they took those “trends” from. The point seems to have flown over your head
I have a theory.
She's experienced relentless body-shaming. maybe she's observed that being plus sized is celebrated among black women more than white women. So she's tried to adapt traits of black women to hopefully lessen some of the abuse.
I'm not making excuses for her, though. She's fully wrong for this. People shouldn't be body-shaming her, and she shouldn't be appropriating blackness to make her life easier.
But then that speaks to how black men will body shame their own especially dark skin women, but embrace it in anyone non black.
I mean I still remember that plus size model Ashley Graham talking about how black men just loooove her and even though she got dragged, she still married a black man!
Plus size white women will feel undesired by white men then use black men as the reliable source for their validation. Its even become a joke in media that black men love "fat" white women.
Jemmar made a similar part in the extended version of this video (on Patreon)
She just followed the Kardashian formula
@@mynameisuju exactly. as a black girl whos still young and insecure when a guy doesn’t like me (especially since im not skinny) its like all the black men only like white girls and white men like white girls. i often feel like we get no love
@@jiwonverse But even if some of us gets love they will go for the light-skin ones.
See, that’s the problem. Everyone is too hesitant to call Nicki out as if it’s “complex”. It’s not. I wish we can just call celebrities out with our chest without the forceful empathy that they 1) don’t deserve 2) won’t reciprocate to you vice versa. It’s not about scolding, it’s about not enabling the bullshit, labeling it as “complicated”. It’s really not
Exactly!!! People need to be able to call out Nicki unless they’re just going to enable it.
@@rin6435 Thank you. I just don’t know what’s a sticky situation about Nicky boldly enabling pedophilia and r*pe, going on her podcast stating “it was a white girl” as if that lessens the blow of him being a rapist.
@@rin6435 nicki has her fans that follow her around and you know what’s funny her fans are mostly black and white man.
@@boredasf4856 yep both who really don’t like black women ironically
Nicki has a history of colorist comments herself, so she's good for it. People fear the fandoms brigading, but that's weak. Who cares about some dislikes? Aren't these channels supposed to be trying to get engagement?
To tell black women that they are jealous when it is a natural emotion. We see the unfairness and it is downright inhumane of people to not allow us to do just that. If you have a tree and do not water it it will die, so how are we going to tell a living being not to react to the stimuli which are hate towards us. Unuh wicked!Thank you for this breakdown Tee.
Y’all hit all the nails in the head in that conversation 🙏🏽 growing up, I was always envious of the ease that white woman were afforded to move through life. I never wanted to be anything like them, I just wanted the benefit of the doubt that they’re always awarded; can’t even breathe as a black girl without somebody having something to say.
At least you're honest
Exactly. I dont want to be them i just dont want to have my identity ripped apart for being me.
Same especially in school and corporate America black girls are taught don’t cry soak it up while ww tears will bring the whole school and America to its knees so I feel you seen it so much
I feel the same way
“It wasn’t that I was jealous of their whiteness, but the ease that came with whiteness”
This sums up everything I ever felt about white people.
That’s concerning you feel that way towards an entire group of ppl, seems like it’d be racist if it was the other way around.
@@Lunalla Exactly.
@@Lunalla i think that’s kinda the point like it is concerning but it also points to the larger issue of how prevalent this sort of thing is. Also, could be wrong, but I don’t think it’d be inherently racist were a white person to express this view although it’d be a little weird/complex as to the reason for said jealousy, at least as it pertains to beauty standards but I don’t think the view itself would be racist.
@@Lunalla unless you're black, you'll never understand.
It was easy for every race back in the day. It's just Gen Z want to start race wars again for some reason.
Just something real quick, how can Nicki call anyone insecure and her whole look..you know what let me just mind my business 🐸☕️
👀.... I meeeeaan! Everything you did and didn't say was facts 💯
@@affionge 😂😂😂😂😂 I meaaaannnnnnnnnnn
Woo! Sure is shadey out here 😎🤣
Ooh no girl now you HAVE to finish that sentence na 😂🔥
can you elaborate?
Just a thought I had as I listened to you...sometimes I think Nicki's wealth and position gives her a proximity to whiteness that makes her forget herself. I don't think she can relate to the average black woman anymore in a real human way because she might think she's superior to the average black woman. Thus, ABW are her adoring fans or annoying jealous bitches. Just a thought I had because when she goes up for someone, it's not usually an ABW (dark skin, not rich, etc.). Great discourse as usual.
I think it is a type of trauma or something, for example if whenever you have tried to have a relationship with some black person you have been treated badly or you feel that you are always in a competition with them, it is normal that you unconsciously create a barrier where your Bad experiences with those black women have left her. I do not know, it is my opinion.
Nicki is not even black, she was born in Trinidad, so she is Trinidadian, thats more of a Latina decent. She moved to Queens New York at age 9, thats why she da Queen😍
@@saralenagriffith6509 she's half black i think
@@saralenagriffith6509 and just bc u have latino descent doesnt mean u can't be black
@@lanadelrat9016 what makes you think she wants to be black?? Most Latinas dont want to be considered black, its insulting to their culture , she is Trinidadian, she dont even have any black features except maybe her butt
I think one of the main issues is that people mistake her for another band member Jade (who is a woman of colour)... when it gets to the point where people can’t tell the difference between you and a person of colour, it’s been taken way too far
I really saw someone say Jade was trying to look like Jesy.... liek if anything it's the other way round 🙃
@@DreamsAreMakeBelieve Right how can a black women try to look like a white women trying to be black?? This world is going to waste.
@@babygirla5717 Jade isn’t black, she’s part Egyptian and Yemeni, but the issue still stands of course. I’ve been a fan of Little Mix since they were formed on X Factor and to see the girls like this is sad. Really sad.
@@theetherealshaye Egyptian and Yemen isn't a race, so let me stop you right there. And her mama is a dark skin Black Egyptian or Yemen (IDK which one) woman. Pls, learn the difference between race and ethnicity, and distinct ethnic groups.
@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 okay, fair comment. My response was in assumption of the commenter talking about full, unambiguous blackness, but thank you for clarifying and correcting my response, I appreciate it. And I didn’t know the exact skin tone of her mother, so thanks for that additional information!
I really liked the conversation about jealousy. It’s interesting that in a world where person A is treated better than person B for arbitrary reasons, person B having any negative feelings about that is actually the evil/offensive/pathetic act. Instead of questioning hierarchies and how our perceptions of “beauty” and “goodness” clouds the way we treat other humans.
I love the way you worded that, and this idea boils my blood.
Muah ik i love having these conversations it’s extremely thought provoking. It’s one of those things that once u see it you cant stop seeing it.
You worded this so well.
It stems from how we're told stories and lessons of not being jealous or hurt that someone else has it better and that you should be grateful for what you do have. Like how we get told fairytales of a kind maiden who has an evil sibling and despite being given less quality gifts and given less love and attention she is not ever bitter and doesn't feel offended and oh if you want to be seen as the fair maiden and not the ugly selfish sibling then you'll do good to stop complaining at unfair treatment. And I mean I don't think I've seen anyone talk about the impact of lessons like this and how they shape views and expressions of emotions now.
When you said “the lengths whiteness will go to maintain its dominion on beauty”… I never really thought about ‘black fishing’ in these terms. But it’s so exact and the reason why black women get dismissed when we highlight certain issues. Those who enjoy privilege don’t want the imbalance to change.
This was so eye opening for me as a white woman. I continue to educate myself but it is hard to see my power since I've always had it without realizing I've had it. I love that you included other women in the conversation. This conversation has been needed for so long and I'm glad you're willing to have it.
I’m very happy you’re educating yourself and actively listening to these issues from other people even if you don’t relate. She really does have a way of articulating and explaining issues very well and is great with talking about multiple diversity issues while discussing such topics with different women!
@@izabellapollock definitely!
As soon as I heard the word educating that's when I knew nothing you say is credible
@Ms. Val I have been seeing all your comments on here, and im just going to say this as nice as possible. You have issues, girl. I don't think you know what the word "educate" means if you have an issue with her using it in the context she did here. 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
@lj0727 as soon as I saw the facepalm emoji I knew nothing you say is credible
Out of context, but your nose ring is something else 😍
Honey!!!!! Hair and Makeup too, lil Sis is just adorable 😍.
@@rofrankie947 yes she's so beautiful but look at the face you're serving in your pfp 😍 absolutely gorgeous
@@yolo-vl4wz Why, thank you 😘
It's called a nose cuff. It hugs the nostril without piercing needed 😊
It’s Indian
I’m wondering if we’ve been conditioned to believe anger isn’t vulnerability. I think anger is a state of vulnerability so vast and complex that society latches onto the visceral in anger and labels it without fully understanding it. I love this piece. I loved especially the conversation with the women in this video. I was able to tune into my feelings of jealousy over the ease that comes with being white. And, I’m hungrier for the knowledge that will help me to be a better ally and disruptor of oppressive systems for my black sisters as a woman of color. Thank you for this.
The way I learnt about anger from my psyc classes is that anger is considered a secondary emotion. It masks deeper, more vulnerable emotions (hurt, fear, sadness, resentment, etc). An example I can think of is when a parent shouts at their kid for carelessly dashing into the street. What the child is seeing is the anger, but underneath is the parent's fear of what could have happened. Or when a couple is arguing and one says something hurtful and the other, instead of opening up about how hurt they feel, lashes out and makes their own hurtful comments.
People hide their vulnerability behind anger, it’s why insecure people are so quick to violence and lashing out.
"see Nicki...*laughs*" Tee, I felt it
lmao
The laugh said it all!!
I haven't followed her a lot and don't get it :'( can someone explain?
It just the way Nikki is acting you can't help but laugh
Tee, you just always get it. It’s the gaslighting that’s tiring for me. I made a comment once that I’ve never seen so many white women rocking ponytails like they do now. Of course people started talking about them wearing ponytails as children. I’m referring to the now more urban look of ponytails, including defined baby hair. It seems pretty obvious to most Black girls what I meant. White girls today don’t look like the American Eagle wearing, straight laced white girls I went to school with. I see so much Black esthetic in white women now, it’s weird. As sis said, I know I personally don’t feel jealous of white women for their looks, like at all, but the simple ease of being white would be great to know how that feels for just a day. Even me saying that tho, doesn’t feel right, I’m not jealous of them, just tired. Tired of them continually getting to take, rebrand, colonize, and profit off of what comes naturally to us. All while acting obtuse to what is going on. Wonderful video.
a lot of nonblack folks treat black culture the way most of us treat flowers. they see the parts that they think are pretty, but they don’t actually know what makes it pretty or where it came from. then they pick it and they use it to decorate themselves and their space until it becomes a withered, distorted mess of what it once was.the Jesy situation pisses me off even more because there are no black celebrities are bleaching their skin and wearing traditional european styles to emulate whiteness. there are no famous brown people trying to emulate whiteness period and there won’t be for the foreseeable future because it’s very very very easy for white people to see how that’s wrong, but many act like it’s extremely hard for them to see how the opposite is wrong.
Why do things need to be separated by race? Yes, different cultures have their own traditions/hairstyles/food/music/dance/language/films/literature/festivals/religious holidays/i.e.CULTURE.....and yes we should acknowledge the history of culture. But I believe we should be open to sharing cultures, otherwise we are all living in separate bubbles determined by what body you happened to be born into... That's a step backwards, not forwards, surely..?
'White' culture isn't one thing, in the same way that 'black' culture isn't. It's mixed, it varies from country to country. History is complex and nuanced. Humans have migrated and shared their culture all around the world. And culture doesn't stay the same, it adapts over time, new things get integrated, things which are no longer relevant get dropped.
Where do you draw the line? It's ok to cook and eat food from other cultures. But not clothes? Not hairstyles? What about learning and speaking other languages? The human experience should be shared as widely as possible, the more we understand eachother, the less people fear the unknown, fear the 'other'. We are all one. Yes we have differences, but we have more in common than not, and I would rather live in a world where people aren't told what they CAN and CAN'T do based on race.
Yes, I am aware of the difficulties re:appearance/race in the beauty/music industry etc.
I know that these issues stem from injustice, but I don't think we'll overcome this by separating culture into black/white. It breeds further division. When we share culture, more people learn about it, it breaks down barriers and negative stereotypes.
For example, I've heard of children being sent home because they have dreadlocks/box braids. Clearly that is WRONG, but the the thing that makes it wrong is the *discrimination based on race* .You don't fix it by saying 'white people can't wear dreads/box braids'....all that does is make the hairstyle even more divisive.
When we share culture, we can be free to learn about others and express ourselves better. When we decide who can use certain parts of culture depending on their race, you're playing the same game the racists are playing, and we don't need to be playing that game. We should be proving to them that culture doesn't have to be limited by what body you happened to be born into. We need to rise above this binary system of black vs. white, it does all of humanity a disservice and injustice. Peace💕🕊🌿
@@tigs6639 I think it might be offensive in that these white people are taking away from black culture while not crediting the culture or even respecting the people of the culture they're taking from.
Imagine if it is a person saying they love sushi and kimonos but not fully owning up to that those are Japanese things and also being racist to Japanese people. Now imagine that a person like that made a fashion line of kimonos and warped their original purpose to where the history and culture of them is discarded and made a significant amount of profit over what any Japanese person has made.
IT. IS. INFURIATING.
Like okay. Kumbaya. Love and peace and all things sunshine and rainbows. But give credit like where it's due! Black people aren't so mad just because they are selfish and don't want to share their culture. They're mad bc they go work so hard to build a culture and then have it be used by white people without really giving credit as well as how white people can take part in the culture yet not get the stigma of it like black people do (i.e. called ghetto, ratchet, dirty, explicit, dangerous, violent).
I'm white and physically disabled and I find this convo really interesting in how it mirrors my own relationship with jealousy. I think because society puts down being disabled and likewise other things the assumption becomes self hatred because it's hard to fathom any different especially because it's an experience that's othered and then defined by outsiders by suffering. The suffering is almost naturalized and seen as inherent, not realizing their own hand in why we suffer. I'm jealous of accessibility, I don't want to abled. And I think accessibility is a term that's really useful here too. Access, ease, equal opportunity, comfort, that's all things normal to be jealous of. It isn't self hatred, but a response to a larger system that so often isn't taken into account by those of privilege who don't need to think of the system, so for them it translates to a personal, individual issue.
i was thinking the same thing while watching!! (except my disabilities are mental, or due to a chronic illness, rather than physical)
Wow... yes, accessibility is the word for it
Nicely said! 👌🏾
Amen 🖤
bro, this
I have also felt wildly uneasy with people saying black women are "just jealous." For someone to think a demographic would be just jealous you have to think you are superior in some way for them to be jealous. To make that claim that without any nuance or empathy you are making a claim of supremacy over others in a slightly more subtle way.
It just lacks empathy, it's a natural emotion for people to feel. As said in the video most people feel jealous when others are treated better. We need to introspect on why we might be treated better as white people and why thats unfair. Calling someone jealous to put them down simply just says I don't care about your feelings enough to acknowledge what I'm even doing, which is gross.
If your going to be tacky and weird by blackfishing just admit that's what your doing, not just ignore other people's feelings and thoughts about it. Or even better just be respectful in the first place but I think we are past the point of hope of people will ever be less entitled.
Well said
Thank you👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
“We need to introspect on why we might be treated better as white people and why that’s unfair”. I totally agree. Even bringing up too many trigger words around wypippo in youtube thread comments YT moderators will delete. UA-cam hates any free speech talk around social justice and critical race theory. It’s disgusting how they try to shut minorities up on this app. Smh.
I think a major part of this issues comes from white women’s fear of becoming anything other than the beauty standard and the peak of desirability within society. Because, as you all said, it is completely valid to be jealous of the ease in life that other people can experience, but that does not equal a lack of self love and does definitely does not equal malice. In reality, much of the issue comes from white insecurity and how white women project that onto black women.
this this this
Zoe I'm glad you can be honest about this. You're so correct. It came to me recently that the reason white women have a problem with crediting Black features like they have in the past, is because Black features are now more desirable than their own...even in their own community big lips and butts are "trendy." So it hurts someone ego who thinks they're Supreme, to have to admit that someone else's features are more desirable now. I even saw a white woman comment that big lips are just a woman's features. Like um...no big lips are predominantly in the Black race and it has nothing to do with gender lol. Both black men and women have that feature often. So it's just amazing to me how some people like to move the bar once it's no longer in their favor.
Yes
@M eh not really, maybe a few but looking like a “brown Latina” is not uplifted at all
In most parts of the world White women are not the beauty standard.
Non-black people at times see blackness as an accessory and not a culture and a fabulous race. That’s why they argue with us when we call out their appropriation of our cultures.
What exactly is blackness? A white persons interest in black culture is not affecting you whatsoever, you just been emotionally conditioned to see modern white people as racists. She’s not hurting “us” whatsoever and she can express herself. Race doesn’t determine you interests as a person and shouldn’t limit you self expression.
@@nylahw9348 You don't get to tell her that it doesn't affect her- or gas light her into believing that this isn't important if you have to ask questions like "What exactly is blackness". Interest and appropriation/fetishization are two entirely different things. Educate yourself.
@@_mjxkenshin Educate yourself on the harms the culture your trying to gatekeep does to your community. Nobody is gaslighting anyone, simply asking the question. Blackness isn’t a personality trait and is a relative description of black people influenced by the culture. Get your fact from books, not tabloids using your emotions as commerce.
@@nylahw9348 It’s pretty clear that the point of the video went right over your head. Anywayyy- you don’t get to decide what is and isn’t important to people, especially in terms of their cultural identity i.e. Blackness since you claimed you don’t even know what that is.
@@_mjxkenshin I don’t actually, because there is no such thing. Being black isn’t a personality trait and isn’t an excuse or attachment of myself. Black culture can be for black and non black people depending on their environment. Nobody’s silencing her but as a person Jesy deserves to express herself and her interest in the culture comes from interests as a person. Plus she’s not hurting anyone. Nothing went over my head. I’m just not thinking with my emotions.
love how you're adding other people's opinions into your videos!! i've always loved your videos but i feel like this structure makes the content even more intriguing and nuanced!
I think the thing that bothers me so much about this “ambiguous looking” trend (yes, trend) is 10ish years ago I had a classmate who used to make fun of my hairstyle and braids for almost my middle/high school life.
Nowadays when I get friend suggestions on social media she pops up and is now rocking the same hairstyles she used to make fun of me for 🙃
This
Wow that’s crazy and please don’t ever accept her friend request.
Facts I have similar situation happen to me as well
honestly all the fully white people were mocking thick lips and full brows and nowadays they're all the rage
people are weirdos
@@babygirla5717 Right? 😆
I feel like it’s important to point out that even if it is jealousy, it’s exactly that. Jealousy, not envy. Black women aren’t mad that white women have something they don’t, they’re mad they’re taking something from our culture that isn’t theirs and getting something from it that you struggle to get when you’re not white.
Loved how informative, critical, and thought provoking your content is. As a Queer Biracial cis Male, I always love the exchange on very large topics that we all need to be having in regards to how racism is complex, and how largely we aren’t conscious of the emotions felt, when you either express these ideals or experience these ideals. My mother being a dark skinned black woman always informed me of her struggles with colorism, and the theft of black culture from non-black women, while experiencing anti-blackness from them simultaneously. As an ambiguous biracial, cis-male hearing these things and experiencing anti-blackness indirectly or hardly at all, always has had me studying people’s hidden disdain for blackness, and you catch on quick the more you understand. , and hearing how eurocentricity and it’s long impact on beauty, has always had people brainwashed in weirdness.
Whew! SPEAK! 'struggles with colorism, and the theft of black culture from non-black women, while experiencing anti-blackness from them simultaneously,'- David Arriaga
If you didn't just encapsulate the essence of why Blackfishing is so morally wrong and how this literally rubs the oppression of black women in our faces. The taunting is insidious.
@@user-dv3kq3rm4h Black women are constantly stolen from, and then told they aren’t beautiful. Shit’s twisted & weird.
@@bluBlaq33 Exactly! There's something about that level of insidious gaslighting that is seriously disturbing. Especially when you think about how black women create these trends and styles or literally just exist within their own culture and are marginalized.
Yet a white woman decides to come along and co-opt the cultural aesthetic, from the make up and hair styles to the perceived 'attitude' or 'swag' and act like it naturally came from them. Like they NEVER give props or attribution to black people yet they benefit economically from this because people invest in white women who co-opt black women. The Kardashian's whole empire is based on their proximity to a black aesthetic which is why everybody was so intrigued by them to begin with.
A massive example of gaslighting in this scenario is when unambiguously black women are called jealous and bitter. This is such an anti-black statement, swaddled in misogynoir because it also peddles the belief that unambiguously black women can't possibly be happy with their own natural God given features, you know the ones that she was relentlessly teased in but apparently now look so good on non-black women who suddenly want to look that way whilst like you said, simultaneously look down on her. And let's not get into the black men cosigning this nonsense.
The mind F is unreal and I'd go as far as to say it definitely mirrors a form of psychological abuse if you think of the systems of power and oppression at play. The multilayered marginalisation is evil.
Gotta be sure to namedrop all of your identities in there. Please !!! Give me more woke points!!!! 😭😭😭😭 How corny.
@@classof09official as a weed smoker too, u smoke and have issues with other people? Time to get some therapy.
That girl really went from 👩🏼 to 👩🏽
Was waiting on this 😩🥴
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I really appreciate you including a white woman in the conversation. It’s very validating to know that white women can at least attempt to understand what we’re going through and it’s not just us talking to ourselves.
You know whose voice is truly missing from this conversation? Mixed women. Because are these yties blackfishing or mixedfishing? Because as mediocre as opportunities are for black women in media, when a casting director is looking to hire a Lupita or a Viola, they know exactly who to look for and the impostors could never. So why are mixed women silent about The Unseasoned cosplaying their existence?
an interesting point
I think it makes them feel good that another race want to look like them lol
Because they are not frightened by that. Those black fishers could never seriously claim black, by biracial can, black men and and many women accept them as such, for different reasons of course. Even though these biracial cannot go to white communities and claim white, they are still worshiped in blk communities, despite all the anti blk comments they spew.
So you think it's fair to put a societal problem on mixed women? I mean, of course mixed women could add to the conversation. But it's not like them talking about it will fixed the problem.
@@Missgsussis so much confusion and contradiction in one comment...😒
You know that feeling when you’re a kid and you quietly make a joke under your breath and the more popular kid hears it, then repeats it louder and has the whole class laughing? I think it’s that kind of feeling. Very valid jealousy feeling even if it’s over something as minuscule as a joke. It’s not like you need credit or validation for it but it sucks to watch someone else get it in that moment.
As soon as I hit puberty as a little black girl I was very jealous of the amount of desirability that white girls had. When straight guys interact with other straight guys that they obviously don’t desire they were very rough with eachother physically so I was always in fear that because most guys didn’t desire me that they would more likely be mean to me or violent. It was sort of irrational but also unfortunately somethings did happen and I had to physically protect myself on many occasions by people that didn’t see me as feminine enough to be respectful. I was never just jealous because white women had naturally straight hair or lighter skin etc. It was never a vanity thing but I was jealous of the benefits and privileges that they were awarded because of these features. I never wanted them because I thought I would look better I wanted them to fit it and to survive. As an adult I grew out of most of those feelings except for the trauma. I just love myself differently than I did as a kid I hope to be a positive role model for younger black girls. It’s a scary world out there.
What you mention about the need to protect yourself because you feared that it people that didn't seem to desired you will treat you violently is quite an important topic that nobody talks about.
I'm from the middle east, and I fell jealousy of the amount of protection white women/people receive. They use to come to our country to show us how "empowered" they were, but in reality they were "protected" if something happened to them the military would've been mobilized and the media wouldn't stop talking about it. On the other hand, I knew for a fact that if the west saw me dying on the street they wouldn't care less, despite claiming they are in the country to "save" Muslim women.
I was also jealous of white women being related to not only beauty but pureness which makes people more prone to help them. But us, Muslim women or any woman of color, we are seen as a threat, sadly.
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Yknow as a minor here I can tell you that all of my poc friends hate white people, or are critical of them because of the privileges and ease they have with being white, which prevents them to see how other people have lesser privileges. I'm really glad that there's a lot of awareness, especially on the internet because if it weren't for that I would not be educated on this topic at all
i'm white so obviously i can't relate to your expeiriences as a black woman but i relate to what you said ab being scared bc men weren't attracted to you. in my middle and high school it was pretty much assumed that guys bullying girls was just not okay, but i as a girl still got bullied by dudes and i always felt like it was bc ppl didn't see me as pretty or feminine enough to deserve respect. stay strong girl sending love your way 💕
@@saintnicole3209 Same, I'm black though but I think a lot of girls can relate to that. When guys don't find you attractive they would treat you with less respect and bully you and see you as one of the guys so they wouldn't hesitate to beat you up. it sucks tbh
I would love to hear your perspective on ‘Black Girl Luxury’ and peoples opinions on UA-cam Beauty Gurus not being relatable anymore. That’ll be interesting to hear your perspective on this topic.
The video Jackie just did on that is on my list to watch!
Soon as she made it I thought of you lol
17:45 her talking about walking into a room and not expecting anyone to desire you hit so hard as a fat woman. Obviously I know that's completely not what the video is about but I really relate to that feeling of not looking like the people that have been deemed "pretty." Great video as always 💖
If that’s your cute little face in your profile picture, then I think you’re beautiful.
God, same here. That really hit home for me.
I had never heard of that show "H8R" but that Black woman talking about Kim really broke my heart. Black women endure so much gaslighting. The problem is always their response and we seldom examine what is is they are responding to. Making it worse, the pain (cuz that woman was hurt and frustrated underneath all of that) is either ignored or made into entertainment.
They straight up tried to make that sister look crazy and portray the angry black woman role on that show and it still angers me to watch bc she was speaking nothing but facts
You said it! 👏🏾Always our response, never what we’re responding to
White women are realizing there a benefits to being seen as “exotic” the Kardashian’s are a great example, they tout their Armenian ancestry as a way to blur the lines of their whiteness. Armenians are white, they are Caucasian and their mother has Anglo ancestry. They use this to justify the intensity of their tans and the loose curls which aren’t ethnic markers of Armenian heritage.
very true, but aren't armenians considered middle eastern? it's in west asia, not europe so i think technically the kardashians are only half white, while the jenners are fully white
Mixed fishing is the gate opener to appropriating black culture. Because the black race still participates in the one drop rule especially when it comes to women, this is part of the aftermath, not only are actual mixed race women replacing black women but other races of women with zero black in them are replacing black women because of mixed fishing and the rule that mixed=black
Also them being so fascinated with erasing black women, that’s racism in it self.
@@PrincessYonna1 yup yup yup leads to the eraser of 100% mono racial black women.
@@shaina8947 Armenians are literally from the Caucuses, they’re Caucasian. Race isn’t a factor of geography and Middle-Eastern isn’t a race.
A lot of them are attracted to black men who are colorist so they make efforts to fit the "mixed/ exotic" look. It's disgusting af on both sides :(
When black women speak up about this people say the same thing “we’re just jealous” like honestly what is it to be jealous of? Why be jealous of someone who wants to portray me? Meee!!!!🤨
she became a solo artist they kicked her out of the group, the 'group' is totally jealous. Her management got Nicki and P Diddy in the video like their management took forever to get Nicki.
@@lisaoziel3574 or maybe they just spoke up on something that obviously controversial and that’s a problem
@@Minnie-yi8ki true the media also spin things way out of line for ratings. I love Jesy but parts of the video was cringey like the way the men were dressed and the teeth. Folks can't say anything anymore everyone is uptight.
@@lisaoziel3574 what do you mean “people can’t say anything”?
@@Minnie-yi8ki because alot people get offensive over criticism
this video was so well put. I always used to say "well there's nothing wrong with them appreciating my culture", but its not appreciation if they get more love than I do, a member of my ACTUAL culture.
Honestly, accusing people of being jealous is like sticking a band aid over a gun shot wound. It’s a quick fix to end a discussion and sometimes just seems like a more socially acceptable way to say “I don’t want to hear your side of the story”. It also helps to absolve the accusee of guilt and put them in the position of the victim, instead of the person stating their truths, valid or invalid. I think jealousy is in the mix of emotions for black women, yeah, but it’s a complicated cocktail of emotion. Especially since many black women have trauma around their own God given features, and watching the once hated features now be OVERTLY glorified is painful, and becomes more painful when they try to speak up but are told they’re jealous. Plus once the word jealous is used, anyone unable to see the reasoning of what’s being said will now shut down, and only hear anything else as jealousy. It’s like when someone is labelled insane, anything they do is them being crazy, even if it’s not, they now become dismissed.
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This!!!
I think it's important to say it's not only because it's being "overtly glorified" it's so fcking hurtful because it's being overtly glorified because it's not on us. It's hurts so much, because people only started seeing the beauty of black features......when it wasn't on a black woman.
@@lenafoxy7674 Say it louder 🗣 I agree!
To be jealous is to want something that is rightfully yours and is given to someone else. Envy is when you want what someone else has that is not meant for you. In this sense, jealous feelings are so valid and just misunderstood. This is not envy.
Jealousy and envy are interchangeable by Google dictionary standards + other random sources i sifted through. It says nothing specific if whether the thing you are envying/jealous about is something you are entitled to. I understand what you mean though. When we speak about being jealous it’s because we feel what you just described as jealousy. When we use envy instead, it’s often a lighter definition. We admire and desire what we don’t have that another does, but accept that it’s not meant for us. I get what you were saying, no matter what word anyone uses their feelings are valid, but ultimately they mean the same thing officially, we just associate these words differently from their meaning but neither is negative or positive.
@Livi Smith definitions are changed. Example, the definition of racist changed almost 3 years ago. It use to mean when a group had the means to hold another down by keeping them from the same opportunities they had, like destroying towns, discrimination against skin color and hair texture, housing, destroying towns, raping, murdering etc...
Now it means the definition of prejudice: disliking someone based on race, sexual orientation, disability etc but says nothing about effectively stopping an entire race of people from economic equality or advancement. Makes it easier to call anyone a racist with this change.. So there's that.
maybe that's your interpretation of the words but.... it isn't true
Never thought of it like that, that’s a damn good analogy. However being jealous of something rightfully yours isn’t what I would call jealousy I would call it “wanting whatever that person took from you back”, you can’t be jealous of something that you had originally ie partners who cheated, money that was stolen, etc.
Some intelligence 👌🏻 Thankyou.
woah this conversation was so important & i love everyone's honesty 😭 like yeah, if jealousy is being mentioned as an accusation (like how nicki did it), then we'd try to deny it. but in reality, we have probably all felt this jealousy if/when we realize the unfair ways we're treated, verses how they get where they want to with less hassle
I don’t feel jealous of them and how they’re treated better. It makes me mad but I wouldn’t want to be them
@@Zvwry same, but like some ppl in the video said it's moreso feeling jealous of the treatment, not general jealousy
@@Zvwry I am not jealous neither.
But jealousy doesn't mean you want to be someone. It means that you want to have something the person you're jealous of has. In this case it would equal wanted to be treated the same as the people appropriating.
For me, I'm not jealous of anyone. I'm just frustrated by the unfairness. I'm annoyed that it's rooted in dehumanization. We're subhuman when we're ourselves but other people are praised as a special kind of person for being able to duplicate us. It's dangerous. And I'm even more irritated by black people who not only allow it but support it (like the black male rappers putting insincere white artists on and black K-pop fans who excuse the b.s. and act so thirsty over scraps and the black choreographers who go to Korea and teach them how to act like us).
Maybe I am jealous. The way I’ve been treated personally, seen my mom treated, seen and heard other black women be treated juxtaposed to how the ww in my proximity are treated is TRIGGERING. It’s also exhausting and low key depressing but we do what we do…press on. I’m also pissed about it. So I guess I’m angry as well.
“Our shit, their reward” 👏🏾👏🏾 a word
I was like I've never heard it that way 👏🏾👏🏾
I've never heard it that way.
100% was jealous of white women when I was younger. Blonde hair, blue eyes, skinny... that’s what everyone desired. I had my Barbies and I wanted to be JUST like my Barbies, and would always complain to my mom about how people didn’t like me as much as the white girls. It really affected me growing up.
Not all white women skinny, have blonde hair and blue eyes but many
Not all white women skinny ,have blonde hair and blue eyes but many
Not all white women skinny ,have blonde hair and blue eyes but many
Not all white women skinny, have blonde hair and blue eyes
@@fan5697 yeah but their still white being white IS the beauty standard now shut up
the white girl that teanna mentioned is emma hallberg btw. she's a major example of someone who really overdoes the blackfishing
Emma has got to be one of the all-time worst offenders. I can't comprehend how that silly woman can still strut around with her head held high. Imagine the girlie at Christmas, sitting on the sofa, seventeen shades darker than every family member around her 🤣
TBH I'm jealous af.. jealous that other women that are not black can have a baby at the hospital without worrying about dying.
I'm jealous white men can jog without getting shot
I'm jealous that the white girl in the video can say the same thing I have been saying for decades but when I say it I'm just jealous
Amen!!!!! Like it’s not jealousy , we’re tired of being stepped on. We’re stepped on by each other, by our men, by other races, by the fucking world.
This is so timely. I’m literally writing a research paper on this exact topic for my American culture class. I’ll definitely be using this video for reference. Everything you said was spot on!
Good luck on your paper!
@@TeeNoir thank you!
Toni Morrison touches on this jealousy thing in The Bluest Eye, it really opened my mind as a Black woman raised in a mostly white family.
That book is important 🤎 I read it in high school...need to reread again.
Hey girl! I just wanna let you know that tho i'm not a black girl I get so excited when i see a new video from you. I'm a south asian girl whos looking to understand the struggles of my black friends, especially women. Even tho our racist experiences are far different from each other, i often find solice and comfort in your stances of racism. On top of that your humour-calmness balance is perfect for me. Love u xx
On the jealousy bit, I felt that! It’s not that I’m jealous of the entire person, it’s that I’m jealous of my people’s traits (you know? The ones that they’ve been made fun of and abused for having) being surgically given to women who have been the beauty standard for a long time and they’re being PRAISED for it as if we weren’t born with them or aren’t a part of our culture.
It’s like- of course I’m jealous! You’re taking a feature that we have naturally and gaining clout and fame for claiming it as yours- AND EVERYONE JUST LETS IT HAPPEN 🙃🙃🙃
I feel like We are giving NIcki too much credit. She has been in this world and a MAJOR NAME for a good min. She's had influence and knowledge for a good minute and to be honest Nicki knows better. She is helping in our oppression by CAPING for these FISHY BISHES....
I agree. to me she sounded like clown and made me side eye her v much.
They handle her with kid gloves because they don't want the smoke from her fans, I guess. Or they're "Barbs" themselves. Either way, they're not doing the discussion any favors.
The power imbalance. We can talk jealously all day, but the power imbalance is the real damn talk. I love your thoughts and the way you put these videos together. Thank you!
Love the British accent and yes Nicki Minaj is exhausting all the goodwill that I used to have for her. Finally, I think it would do us good to call it mixed fishing and let go of the one drop rule which is doing BW a real disservice. People be acting as if they don't know what a BW looks like because of the one drop rule.
What exactly IS the one drop rule?
All of this!!!!!!!
@@TswelosTales did you google it?
Nicki lost me years ago when she used colorist/racist language against black women. She needs to watch what she says, especially as a mixed woman, because it's hella sus.
@@TswelosTales the one drop rule or “law” is where people validate another person as black as long as they have some sort of percentage of black in them. That means when bi-racial or multi-racial are accepted as black when they only have partial black in their heritage
the part about being jealous of the ease that comes with being white is really insightful! i don’t want to derail but i think that concept is also very applicable to other kinds of marginalization
17:35 I relate to her statement the most and it made me realize that I too don’t expect to be desired walking into a room, just as mental preparation for being treated like shit
i relate to it to but not for racial reasons obviously but yeah i've experienced that a lot and it feels like shit
The outrage or pain that black women feel when seeing yt people benefiting from cosplaying as racially ambiguous, enjoying proximity to blackness however never being able to understand and experience the other side of the systemic issues that allow them to move like that.
To reduce black voices feelings to JUST jealousy … imagine how tired we are 😐
I think the pain needs a new word.
Mutha f-in tired love😖😤
I think another part of the "you're JEALOUS" silencing is the implication that you're JUST jealous. Right? It's easier to call someone "jealous" than acknowledge that they're on the receiving end of an injustice, and that that's where any harsh feelings (including but not limited to jealousy) may be sourced from.
The subtext of "just" jealousy is: you're not receiving the same recognition because you're inferior, and you're insecure in who you are. And it's like, no, plenty of Black women are happy to be Black women. Black women have a lot to be proud of. They don't have the same privileges as white women. They would like to be their authentic selves and be readily embraced, like white women are when they appropriate their shit. There need be no inferiority complex.
This is a truly excellent video...Thank you for articulating what so many of us continue to feel xoxo
I really do think that blackfishing is so profitable because “looking” black or racially ambiguous is what “pop culture” today is. You can LOOK black, you just can’t BE black. If you are, you have to be ✨black✨
I’m so tired of getting asked what I am…. I am black. Not ✨black✨, just black.
I think I see what you mean but can you give me characteristics/examples of ✨black✨ people or women?
@@92enpuissance Now some of this could be because I am lighter skinned with a looser curl pattern, so I may have just been annoyed my entire life because of this 😭😭but I think women who look more racially ambiguous or who are a very light black person are glorified in media today. They all have features that are closer to the European standard of beauty. They often look “mixed” or “exotic,” and normally have a style that is glorified by pop culture. That is why I think white women make money off of looking racially ambiguous, because they ARE the European beauty standard, and they can profit off of that. Especially during the aftermath of the Floyd protests, they find that they can “double dip” so to speak. I hope that answered your question, love ❤️
There are a lot of black celebrities even more than Asian, or from the Balkans etc..
I was talking about this exact thing with my beautiful friend the other day.. we were talking about the whole "racially ambiguous" thing and how there seems to be soooo many white women trying to look ethnically ambiguous on Instagram lately. Especially like influencers who are using that "aesthetic" to sell shit and make money. And after she says in a jokingly dejected way "well... I'm just plain old black.. nobody is going to pay me for my boring look" and I was like "yep.. black without the benefits" and we started laughing so hard lol she was like that's such a good way to describe it! Haha
But it all seriousness there does seem to be a very large increase in the amount of women like this I seen on my for you page. A lot of them you honestly think they are black until you see the comments calling them out. It's so wrong. I don't think it's jealousy at all... I think it's anger and it's completely justifiable.
I absolutely hate the fact black women get called 'jealous' when it's clear that society is absolutely bs towards women, in particular black women, and I feel like that's just a way to oppress women 'like oh you're jealous' so you feel embarrassed /humiliated and can't speak up.
I find it especially disgusting when men try talking shit about black women. I feel like it is mostly men or pick-me women who try and put other women down. It 100% is a silencing tactic. They are just weak low value men.
Again, regarding the 'jealousy', as a white woman, I myself would feel so pissed if women of another race were somehow viewed more desirable primarily because of their race. I don't think it's jealousy but perhaps sometimes anger because of a great injustice. I take time to look good and take care of myself and to have that just pushed aside because of factors out of my control would be so invalidating.
I'm not self victimising but I wanna give my perspective as a white woman. In the uk there tends to be this huge beauty standard of darker skin and bigger lips. You're right that it isn't particularly associated with being 'black' but jesy definitely is blackfishing as there is a clear combination of factors. She's purposely looking ambiguous. Because I think you're right in that black features are 'sexualised' they're more embraced on white or even mixed race women.
No skin colour or features are better than any other.
I think women just need to love one another and hype eachother up. We should all embrace our natural self or the styles we like and anyone who doesn't accept that can f off.
I wish beauty standards were more inclusive of all colours, features and people. Real people, not fake exotic features on white women. Women of all races are beautiful and that includes black women.
Rant over, haha.
Should we add that dismissing "jealousy" as an excuse to not listen to someone's concerns is due to its relation with emotionality and therefore with typically feminine traits?
Wowwww 💯
Wow brilliant take