I’m not buying this again - Fabriano Venezia Sketchbook
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Just a footnote from an Italian that letterally grew up using Fabriano papers. Fabriano it's been in business since year 1264; it was used by artists as Michelangelo, Raffaello, Francis Bacon, Georgia O’Keeffe and many, many others so I really doubt their paper to be faulty in any way. Next time, instead of the drawing paper, try their 300 gr. 100% cotton watercolour one, it's really one of the best of the best in the world.
Usually if a sketchbook says it’s made with “drawing paper”, that usually means that it’s for dry media in my experience
I was going to comment that I liked this sketchbook and you showed a clip of my video 😂
I got my book in a smart art box with colored pencils so I had no expectations of it being good for watercolor but it worked well for me. I think if I bought it as a watercolor sketchbook I might have expected more tho.
🤭 i don’t think you’ve done a dedicated review on the book and so i thought it would be beneficial for others to know where to find that segment that you talked about it 🥰👍🏻 thank you for your input as always Lindsay! your expertise is invaluable to the art community ❤️
Well, it does what it says in the tin: *Drawing* paper.
It doesn’t seem fair to expect lightweight (90 lb) non cotton paper to behave like cotton paper that is made for watercolor. Of course you couldn’t get a nice wash! That is lesson one in doing watercolors: paper quality is key. Paints and brushes are WAAAY secondary on how to spend your money.
This sketchbook is made of Accademia paper, which is best for pencil or tempera. Fabriano indicates this on their website and has been my experience with Accademia paper too. Perhaps a bit of gouache would be OK. It is not a manufacturer error, the sketch OOK is fine if/when used for its intended media. I have a whole 10m roll of Fabriano Academia, which I tear into small pieces or drawing sketchbooks. It is a great surface for pencils, coloured pencils, ink, India ink, among others. I hope you find the sketchbook with the paper you like!
I have a Strathmore 500 series Mixed Media 100% cotton sketchbook. The description says it’s ‘excellent for watercolor, gouache, acrylic, graphite, pen and ink, colored pencil, marker, pastel and collage’. That’s all I needed to know so I bought it. Weeeeell at the beginning when I used it I didn’t like it for watercolor. It doesn’t have the sizing I’m used to (or may be none, I don’t know about these things), for wet washes, granulation, and yes it easily creates blooms. However, after painting smaller subjects that didn’t require wet washes, now I’m used to it and I bought another, larger one! It’s excellent for colored pencils. Ultimately it wasn’t the sketchbook that was at fault, but my technique that needed adjusting. ☺️
i agree with what you said here. it's the way we use the sketchbook. that's part of troubleshooting as an artist
That's great. I like that for you. I'm currently using loose 9 x 12 inch sheets of Series 300 Strathmore cold press watercolour 300gsm paper until I can find a journal that enables me to work in my preferred way. I use standard visual diaries for sketching., colour notes etc. Have you tried rice paper for ink and watercolour? It's very challenging but excellent for loose painting and you learn to control water very quickly!
Oh god. Strathmore 500. I HATE this sketchbook for watercolours with burning passion. A lot of artists I loved online really like this one and recommend it, and I was hyped to try it out. And turns out, nothing I create on it with watercolours looks good. Nothing! My biggest problem is that it dulls the colours down significantly (I know it's cotton, but it somehow dulls it down more than in my other cotton sketchbooks). First I thought that I'm not good enough, so I practiced on other paper, and every time I came back to it, the same problem persisted. I found that what looked good on it in my technique was ink, not watercolours. Which was fine, but since I bought it for watercolours, I was sort of bummed. You're right in the regard that it's often about the technique but it sometimes feel disappointing to buy an expensive sketchbook for a specific purpose only to find out that I need to "mold" myself after the material 😅 Oh well, it's not the end of the world of course!
@@PaintinHiding👍😀❤️
@@suzykeene9298 I haven’t tried rice paper for ink and watercolor. The Strathmore sketchbook was challenging enough for me 🤣. I have gotten used to it now and know it’s limitations, but in the beginning I was disappointed and thought I had wasted my money. So I used it for doodles and wasted some pages. However, after painting something small that I was happy with then I realized it’s limitation and paint accordingly.
Omg but that bubbly painting in the back looks so cool❤
I recently bought this sketchbook and started to use ink in it and it works amazingly. "Drawing" paper isn't meant to be used with big washes, so I'm not surprised it's buckling and blooming with them. If you maybe come back to this sketchbook, try ink or try to create something that utilises the blooms to your advantage (they look fantastic with foliage, flowers and trees for example). However, I look forward to your next videos, no matter which sketchbook you use!
What if you use this sketchbook to be intentionally messy? You ever just want to make a mess and be free? This right here is a good excuse. And you don’t have to show anyone.
Love it, what a great idea! I realize I have one of those, an un-branded POS I picked up at Ross. The absolute *worst* things I've ever done are in it and it is still the first sketchbook I reach for.
I love these sketchbooks😂. It’s partly about personal taste and partly the way you use it. Also- I think the brushes you use will play a part in satisfaction. It’s cellulose paper and I’d consider it mixed media. When I use it I really control my water- or there will be blooms. I also don’t expect to layer a lot- I’m sure the paper would eventually pill. I paint more directly when I use this or my Stillman and birn sketchbooks. I adjust my expectations in all sketchbooks (except my koval - but that has Fabriano artistic paper and costs 3xs what my a4 Venezia costs). I think you are right about gouache being nice in this (I haven’t tried yet). I’m sorry you feel disappointed- that’s the worst. But maybe you can come back to it for experiments and studies. Which cellulose sketchbooks have worked for you?
i agree with what you said here. it's the way we use it. my fave cellulose sketchbook is from seawhite... i haven't done a review on it yet but i showed it here in my vid about how RS paints elevated my art ua-cam.com/video/369mI2YjRac/v-deo.htmlsi=ivF0tf2AoYaR4MDW
I've always wanted this sketchbook just because it looks so pretty 😅 btw your ballerina painting is so so gorgeous! It's even more impressive after knowing that you don't like this paper for watercolors 😂
aww thank you so much E4
Hmm if it says "sketchbook" or drawing book than most of the time it is one☻️ and it wasnt made for watercolor. Never used it before but if i want to draw sketch with a wett medium ill buy or use one that is made for it or at least works with it well. The same with sketching... wont sketch and doodle in my watercolor books or other expensiv paper and books😅
I think the reason why this sketchbook doesn't work with watercolor is because it is a sketchbook for drawing and not for watercolor. You need watercolor paper for working with watercolor
Thank you for your honesty and the non-misleading title/thumbnail.
glad it was useful :)
I like these! I got a set of 3 cheap a few years ago. It's a little fuzzy for watercolors but i like it for loose work. Maybe not for portraits or super precise botanical painting... But I would buy again if a good deal popped up. (Sorry, not arguing, but replying to help the algorithm 😜)
i welcome diverse opinions 😊👍🏻
I absolutely LOVE this sketchbook. In fact I just bought my second one. I use it for pen and ink and watercolor and am so happy that it will take layers and layers of paint on both sides of the paper, but I am not a real wet painter who uses tons of water.
im glad it works for you! it’s always good to get more than one perspective so thank you for sharing ❤
Haven't tried mine so very happy to see this review.
This is drawing paper, not watercolor paper. Perhaps you had unrealistic expectations for the paper. Thanks for you input.
Looks like it could hold up to acrylic and maybe gouache paints really well. I actually like all the unexpected blooms the water color does. Adds interest to the piece but I understand if you like the smooth look. But as a drawing sketchbook it was not made for the wet media
Try the Fabriano Vergatone. It’s great with watercolor.
I got all 3 seizes. I do like it. But yeah, not the greatest for watercolor.
Maybe this paper would work for traditional or acrylic gouache, since less water is used. From watching your videos, you use a lot of water in your work, so this paper is definitely not for your style of painting! You could gesso the pages and use acrylics, oil paints, or pastels. Thanks for sharing your experience - your sacrifice has saved your viewers from an unfortunate purchase. Your gift to the art world this week😁😘
@@MrsBarnabas An excellent perspective. Brights side☀️
thank you for reminding me of the positive side to using these 'regretful' products. :)
Ooh! Good to know this sketchbook isn't great for watercolor, but they didn't advertise it for wet mediums I guess? Usually paper labeled as "drawing paper" is more suited for dry media. ^^* Your art is so pretty in this book, nevertheless! I really like the ballerina and the portrait and all the greys! ❤
I'm going through starthmore mixed media 500 and it is good but also not the best for watercolors! We can't have everything I guess😅😂
you're absolutely right. it's not marketed as watercolor paper nor for wet media but i' had seen soooo many people use it for watercolor yet no one said anything about it being bad for watercolor. i just thought i'd test it out myself and finally tell people. thank you so much for the kind compliment, hehe~
@PaintinHiding yeah while strathmore500 is 100% cotton it is very hard pressed, has smooth hot pressed surface and the paint doesn't really flow all that well on it at all! I can layer fine, but it is definitely different from proper watercolor paper :) I mean I still like it a lot as an "all purpose" sketchbook but it doesn't live up to 100% cotton watercolor paper :)
Poor Vee, sorry this one disappointed you so much, you usually seem so pleased with your tools. I don't like this one for watercolor either, but love it for gouache, neocolor 2, acrylagouache and colored pencils. And i find the cover cheerful. Maybe set it aside for a while, and then once the bad taste is gone pull it out for a binge with a less demanding medium?
yes~ i think i’ll definitely try gouache in it next time 😊
I totally think you should give gouache a try on that sketchbook. It looks like it might be pretty enjoyable to use with that media
I'm sorry you didn't like it but thank you for sharing ☺☺☺☺
The anger in your voice reviewing this. 🤣
If you do use gauche in it, I hope you let us know how it goes. The book itself looks awesome! I love the cover and those inside cover details.
🤣 i didn't know i sounded angry LOL
will do!
Yes, I was going to say, try gouache! It works great on paper that doesn't work well for watercolor, and you could do some awesome gradient backgrounds. You could even tape or mask the drawings off. Also, ewww about the bubbles in the Maimeri!! Ok I think I can skip that one now!
Those are some nice sketches, despite the paper working against you. Have you tried using watercolor pencils or W/C crayons?
thank you steve :) and no, not yet.
realized that I've been so focused on watercolor sketchbooks that I hardly had anything to use with my pencils and markers so perhaps this could be a candidate ha. Although I am finding the Pith Tangelo sketchbook to be nice for pencils and water-based markers right now. Maybe in the future. But I share your frustration with using watercolor in a sketchbook that fights you. My Pith (cellulose) sketchbook hated when I tried to activate Woody pencils with water ha. Also, I dislike hot press watercolor paper but am taking advice that it's great for gouache and bought a hot press Boahong sketchbook to try.
Pith! that’s another one i have my eye on but golly it’s kinda pricey right? thank you for sharing your experience with it though. i think that’s very helpful. :D
@@PaintinHiding I got one for Christmas from a friend and then ordered another during the recent Jackson's paper sale! Enjoying them for markers, pencils, crayons, and pens.
Look at it this way - if you just abandon the book, you aren't wasting paper, you are saving precious paint!
great perspective, thank you!
If you don't want bubbles and blooms stick with the tried and true paint makers. White nights, daniel smith, schmincke, etc.
Reminds me so much of the Clairefontaine Fontaine watercolor paper. It did NOT take water medium well at all. I wanted to use it up but after about 5 paintings, i had to move on. It is particularly bad because it was marketed as 100% watercolor paper but it felt worse than some cellulose paper. I'm hoping one day I'll be inspired enough to use it with coloured pencils or pastels.
awww man, that's a huge bummer! i hate it when a product is marketed for something yet is horrendously bad at it D: yeah, hopefully you can still get some use out of the paper later
Thanks for the honest review on this. Whenever a product is that Instagrammable, I find myself growing skeptical! Please do take a break from this book you hate using. If you decide to pick it up again, maybe try water-soluble media in stick form. Do you have any Inktense, watercolor pencils, or Neocolor II? Those don't need as much water, but they'll still dissolve to hide the texture of the paper. I really liked the sketch of the woman in traditional costume. Cheers!
i dont currently use other 'wet' media other than watercolour and gouache but thank you for the suggestion, i'll keep that in mind for the future :D
Not first 😂
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it's not the sketchbook, it's yoiur use of it, don't blame fabriano, just blame yourself
Mine just broke apart after a couple days
😢 im sorry to hear that, that’s worse!
@@PaintinHiding i fixed it with ductape. not as pretty anymore but got some character 😂
@@artmadebyRed if it works, it works! 🥳
Regrets (Part 2) 😅
I'm glad I've been holding back from purchasing this product, now knowing that this attractive journal isn't suitable for really wet techniques. Thank you for an honest review and demonstration of the issues, your paintings clearly show the issues you had. Ignore any nonsense in the comments, some like to create drama for the sake of it. You have saved me money and wasted paper as I work wet in wet too. Though my search for a painting visual journal is still ongoing.
thak you for your kind words suzy :) im glad i could help save money, that’s the whole point of trying products and reviewing them. if you prefer wet in wet techniques, i really love the khadi fatbook that i reviewed a while ago. link to vid here ua-cam.com/video/5n2KCs7V4ro/v-deo.htmlsi=tOjLFQGTmfZUJtYE
Thank you@@PaintinHiding 😃😃
Contemplated buying this sketchbook, but because, like you, I intended to use it for watercolor, I decided against it because of the paper specs. Sounds like I made the right decision.
i shouldn't have bought it but i figured no one ever made a proper review whether it's good or bad for watercolor
@PaintinHiding Of course you should have bought it; now we know😉
I have th A4 size and I really don’t like it either
thank you for relating jess!
diet suply are disapointing and bad for you health Vee !!
i really like you favorite grey paintings though .
and your colored pencils piece in general .
but it's 2024 we're seeking for intense joy fat supply !!!!!
😂😂😂 indeed tthey are! i need to enjoy more of the fat supplies lol😂
I just looove you anger and frustration with a sketch book, sold and label as sketchbook/ drawing...
But you decide to use it for watercolour and it does not work for that..
And you don't accept you own failure.. and why should you take responsibility for your own failure, when you can put a video out there, so we all can laugh at you.
glad i made you laugh :) thank you for taking the time to watch and comment, i appreciate it!
I cannot believe you'd put out such a negative review, I mean honestly, it's a great product, and I know for certain that International Pop Sensation Alice Lim WOULD NEVER!!!! leave such an unprofessional, petty review on a great product. When Urban Sketcher Extraordinaire Alice Lim reviews sketchbooks she SAVES LIVES through her creation of an emotional bond, with us, her precious, beautiful viewers, WHOM SHE LOVES LIKE HER OWN CHILDREN!
I personally cannot BELIEVE how you have behaved in this video. I'll be writing a strongly worded letter to Mr. UA-cam himself about your behavior on HIS platform.
UA-cam is a platform for KIND and CREATIVE souls like Art Instructor to the Gods Alice Lim, and your very presence on this platform sullies us all!!!!
Good day to you madam!
~~hugs n kiss grek~~
@Grekchsterv NONSENSE . Stop trying to create controversy where there is none.
People are allowed and encouraged to express their honest opinions, and she did it without rudeness, and more than adequately expressed and demonstrated her issue with the paper in a genuine way. Every artist has their preferred way of working and are looking for surfaces that enable their expectations and experience of how their chosen materials and method are best expressed. I personally found this review very useful as I also utilise a lot of water and it has saved me a lot of money and a wasted journal. I can continue my search for a suitable watercolour visual journal satisfying my own criteria.
What is this rambling nonsense?
I have to ask, was this tongue in cheek? Sarcasm? It made me laugh. 🫣🤯🤣