I absolutely adore Nic and his takes on the industry. It’s refreshing to hear things from a perspective I can relate to on a higher level as a fellow pro bike shop mechanic. Hope he’s back every now and then!
As a urologist, I have to say, not all was said is entirely ‘true’, but it’s great that you’re making some awareness about prostate cancer. The whole prostate cancer/prostatitis/erectile dysfunction association with cycling is a huge minefield and poorly understood… but great that it’s being talked about rather than people staying quiet. Keep it up team!
Well done for highlighting prostate cancer on the show. I was diagnosed at 47! I had zero symptoms, but a PSA test highlighted some high numbers. I had the option to have my prostate robotically removed which I opted for. Amazing results. Do not be scared of getting checked, the treatments these days are amazing, and no, I didn’t need to take that much time off the bike.
It's always operated by the surgeon. Robotic surgery just means that surgeon operates via controllers rather than directly with instruments , and provides better approach, control and results compared to laparoscopic surgery.
Thankyou for talking about mental health. I'm a 47 year old man. I was diagnosed with depression at 17 and looking back was depressed since about 11. I've had all the treatment the NHS is offering (CBT, psychologist etc) and those things have run out for me. I still have a psychiatrist but they are not willing to change my meds as the cocktail I am on is big. They are keeping me stable for the most part. Men definitely need to open up more and talk about the things that are bothering them and let out their emotions more rather than just bottling everything up. I wish I had done this when I was younger maybe I wouldn't be like I am now. I have been thinking of taking up cycling and for the past few months been looking in to things and hopefully will be getting my bike next week. I just want to get fitter and get out and do something. I'm next to the Peak District so I have a lot of places to ride. Loving the podcast I look forwards to every episode. I do have a question for Nick. The bike I am getting can have up to 42mm tyres am I too heavy at 95kg (6'3 tall but I still need to lose weight) for tubeless? What tyre widths could I use?
Works no problem im 110 soaking wet and used to ride 32mm gp5000 continental tires... Now im on 40mm maxxis on my touring bike :) go for it. What bike are you looking at?
@@Broken__Reality Nice, congrats! Bike rides are my meditation and lifts me up, gets me into a good mental state always successfully! Have fun on your rides, and don't worry about what you are wearing, as long as it keeps you going outside continuously! ❤🤙
Thank you Emily , Jimmi and Nic. I think you are underrated , because of the positive ..philosophy , you all seem to have ! I am a survivor of cancer and a huge fan , for a lot of reasons . Awareness is huge , so thanks for the info , even if it's only one guy that tests !! I do know about Francis' Dad....yeah , I hope they are both OK . Be well .
Refreshing to listen to a cycling podcast that isn't just about cycling, props to you guys for talking about mental health and other normal human topics
on the other hand, if i listen to a cycling podcast, i actually want to listen about cycing stuf... I just wanted to listen about cycling stuff... but no, insted I was reminded that I'm gonna die, either from multiple types of cancer, or I'll just end it a bit earlier...
Excellent pod as usual, really good to see you exploring men's health issues, particularly MH. As a long time sufferer with unwanted black dog, it's REALLY IMPORTANT to talk to someone, to get help, to open up. I can remember wanting to chuck myself in front of trains, crying in public, and generally falling apart. I needed some help, and thankfully, I got it. PLEASE NOTE: the NHS MH services are (and always have been) appallingly under-resourced relative to physical illness. It's not because the people are bad, it's because there isn't enough service to go round. Personally, I use cycling as much for therapy as exercise or enjoyment - it's literally a lifeline for me. Final point, thanks to Nic for his contribution, I'm not his biggest fan but he does add a certain...frisson
I really enjoy how Emily is more outspoken now on all of the topics and feeling more comfortable, while also doing the producer job. Miss Francis, but Nic was fantastic. Highly underrated. Always a joy to listen to you guys - in whatever constellation
I honestly believe this is one of the best podcasts on UA-cam at the moment. I genuinely look forward to your content. Great dynamic, genuinely interesting & relatable content. Keep it up!!!
As a GP, PSA tests need to be carefully considered as it’s not a very specific test for cancer. 3 in 4 men with a raised PSA will not have cancer. But to find out if it is significant you will need to probably have quite invasive tests to biopsy your prostate. Also a large amount of prostate cancer is low grade and does not require treatment and in fact the treatments are more detrimental to a man’s health. The PSA test is therefore not robust enough to screen a population for cancer, unlike breast, bowel and cervical cancer screening, where early diagnosis saves a lot of lives and the tests/checks are much better and specific for cancer. If >65 and have symptoms then defo get checked.
Sorry disagree with you. The PSA test is not perfect but it's the best test we have without getting a biopsy done. Only for the PSA test I wouldn't have been diagnosed with Prostate Cancer at 46. Might of been dead now only for it... if there is a history of prostate cancer in your family you need to get tested yearly from age 40, tested from age 45 if no history in your family.
Agree wth you. I have an enlarged prostate and consistently high PSA levels (10 to 12). 2 biopsies haven’t found anything other than inflammation so PSA is not a good determinant.
I really enjoy Emily’s commentary. Always supremely articulate and informed. Ya’ll reminded me of my UK mate & ultra-distance mentor Lee Fancourt. Took his own life, gone but never forgotten.
Don't often comment on social media but had to say kudos for an excellent show. Thank you for dealing with wider topics such as health and mental health issues. Proud to say I've been good about annual checkups including a PSA check (normal thank goodness). Please keep up the great work!
I learnt a lot from Nic in this video. His common sense approach and advice regarding torque settings was invaluable. Everything he said made perfect sense. I stripped a bolt on my new bar stem after trying to rigidly stick to the settings displayed on the stem. A lesson learnt. Thanks again.
Glad to hear this encouragement to see the doctor. My wife is one. There is *nothing* they have not seen. Your body is a series of systems, tubes, levers and pumps that need to be maintained the same as a bike is. Please never ever be put off going by embarrassment. Your *insert issue* is as routine to them as having your brakes bled is to an experienced bike mechanic. My oldest friend died last June because he didn’t see a doctor when it could have made a difference. SEE YOUR DOCTOR.
I was a person that use to race cat 3 and cyclocross. At 22, last year I got testicular cancer. I was very proactive and went straight to the GP. Within a month at the NHS I was having surgery and luckily it was caught at stage one. Had chemo and currently all clear 🤞
I was working at home and I suddenly went "Wait… I know that question!" Thanks for answering and always appreciate when you guys also discuss the more serious topics like mental health, its what really sets this place apart from the miasma of other cycling content.
One of the greatest strengths as a man is knowing your own weaknesses and vulnerabilities and not being ashamed that you're not emotionally and mentally perfect. Self denial and projection are toxic and won't get you where you want to go. Honesty, humility and being open minded to changing your life habits or ways of thinking to grow and heal as a healthy human. It's a win/win if you do.
My brother's friend ended his life recently. He's a fellow mountain biker. I don't know him personally, but it reminds me that this mental health issue is real anywhere.
There was a well known tourer riding in all seasons around the planet, I think he had a channel on YT, he also left this way a few years ago. I would love to have similar endurance and strength, it's hard to understand even if I often feel down too, that's why we should never compare ourself with other people, or only very superficially...
This is my new favourite UA-cam channel. I look forward to Thursdays as it gives me chance to listen to it on my lunchtime walk. It’s great, informative and intelligent chat. Keep up the good work please!
i think Nic might be slightly mistaken on ceramic bearings. He's correct that the ball bearings are ceramic and the race is a treated steel or alloy but they definitely don't last longer. The ceramic ball bearing has a hardness of rockwell C 75, even with the treated steel that he's talking about our technology only brings steel up to Rockwell C 60ish, which doesn't seem like much but that means the harder ceramic bearing will wear away the steel race over time. Repeat that over a few hundred km's you'll not only be causing premature wear but also losing watts. Steel on steel bearings are still currently the best for longevity. assuming no corrosion.
Hope it’s tata for now for Nick and not goodbye. Great perspective on topics from his hands on experience dealing and working with bike brands every day
A friend of mine was experiencing severe mental and drug related issues a few years ago. I cant remember the exact waiting time but after reaching out to his GP, the wait for a therapist appointment was several months and then the following appointment was several months again. Fortunately, he reached out to friends and covid came at a perfect time for him to do a total reset, he managed to give up the drugs and alcohol, and started running. He has managed to totally turn his life around but with the waiting time being several months, I can see why some people who don't have a support network or are afraid of opening up to people may not be so lucky. I understand the NHS is stretched to breaking point but for something that kills such a huge proportion of men, the amount of time after first contact with the GP and seeing a therapist is far too large.
@21:10 "sadness comes and goes, I think there is no need to act" - my doc when I told him, that I am "not feeling good". even getting to the doc to talk about this, costs me lots of strength. Took a while to another try at andother doc, got a diagnosis. Had lots of trouble/cost me more strength finding a place for a therapy. Ended up paying it myself, cause I cant wait "at least eight months". Sums up the experience I had with "one of the top 10 healthcare systems "(depends on where you are looking). Made my think how bad are the others...
there are different composites of stainless steels as there are of chrome-steel. I didn't do my research, but stainless steel means that there is min. around 11% of chrome in it. Which would lead me to think that chrome-steel is also just stainless steel but fancy
As is usually the case with Auto manufacturers, there are two types of recalls. One is a voluntary recall, which is the case with SRAM as they have identified an issue before tonnes of people have been affected by it. Then there is the case with Shimano, which is an involuntary/forced recall, after much public outcry and force of class action lawsuit. As for Nick's point on how torquing as a method of tightening bolts to a correct pre-load measurement being a dark art is quite apt description. Per AJAX Fastener Hand Book, feel/operator judgement's accuracy is around 35% while torque wrenches operate at around 25% accuracy. The gold standard of measuring pre-load is Strain Gauges, which would cost 20 times more than use of a torque wrench. Many factors, including surface texture (cut or rolled threads), surface coatings/lubrication, thread interference, and speed of tightening affect the torque-tension relationship and up to 25% variation in pre-load can be measured on similar fasteners receiving identical torque. The minimum standard recommended for consistency in controlled tightening of fasteners is light oil lubrication. For instance a standard finish bolt that is recommended with 10 Nm tightening torque is valid for light oil lubrication, if you use grease/anti-seize the toque needs to adjusted by a factor of 0.7 and even then this is a guide. On the mental health side of things, I think the issue is always the fact that most of us are not very good at noticing the issues. Moreover, we live in a day and age that many are addicted to various things (phones, i-media in general, added sugar in our food, ...); thus, mood swings are quite common across wide spectrum of people. Another issue is that most of us including myself think of ourselves as experts in various fields with just reading a book or a news snippet. So, the issue of mental health is not just matter of opening up to friends and colleagues; rather being more in touch with our inner self to figure out what's actually going on within us. This is further highlighted on the first overrated/underrated section question. People these days are so focused on the outside world that they can't make up their own mind. If you enjoy cycling, you should just ride because you enjoy it. Alas, we feel the need to be validated by others, whether positive or negative. 31:50 I don't believe that we are programmed to put up a mask to show the best of us in social settings. We are rather pressured to do so from early age. Have you ever noticed that kids do what they like to do, because they just like to do it. As adults we are just not in-tune with our true emotions anymore.
Guys really appreciate the good intention behind the health chat but would suggest getting a GP or someone else medical to clarify the advice, the recommendations around PSA testing are a bit cloudy at the moment because of causing unnecessary biopsies etc
commenting as I’m watching…. 1. I rather a stranger fundling my bits than someone I know. specifically related to medical procedures. 2. love that you guys are going above cycling topics.
Certain medical procedures feel invasive or, in other situations, undesirable, but, whether your medical professional is of the same or different gender, I have always told myself that I am receiving care for a legimate reason, the caregiver is qualified, doing what is required to provide me the care I need and is acting professionally and that has always set me at ease. I have even had conversations about sensitive topics and feeling fine to do so because I have gone through the same checklist and come to the conclusion that the conversation with this person is appropriate.
This is a great episode. I think you have to keep Nic as a presenter, his insight and attitude has been invaluable. On the subject of "Influencers", who are these people? I don't follow IG or any other similar media but I get the impression that they are people who are famous but have actually done f*** all to deserve it. They have no expertise, talent or experience to pass on other than how they have manipulated media to become well known. I am influenced by people who are experts in their field, not Paris Hilton, KK or Liz Hurley. The health related issues are so important though as a typical bloke, I hold up my hands as the last resort is to seek professional help.
i never heard of a steel race that can hold up long term with ceramic bearings. after a short while of use, they need replacement. corrosion in bearings is just something that we have to deal with.
Great show. Thanks for the focus on overall health. I do remember the episode with the young woman that James and Fran visited to try to cheer up, and how she took her life shortly thereafter. I didn't know her myself, of course, but it made me so sad. For so many things, we just need to talk. You're only as sick as your secrets. Love to all.
Thanks for this episode!! I think it is so important for us to destigmatize healthcare in many facets, especially for men. We need to end the thought that going to a doctor for ANY reason is being weak or "un-manly". I would also implore EVERYONE to PLEASE WEAR SUNSCREEN. Minimum 30 spf. Sure, it's nice to get that dark golden bronze look during the summer and crisp bib short tan lines but the risk for skin issues is not worth it in the long run. Cheers you guys!!
Great episode featuring health issues. Please get your PSA Count checked with a blood sample, it is so simple and saved my dad's life a few years ago. A work colleague (49 year old) had his checked last November - no underlying issues but a high reading, had a biopsy and is fortunately cancer free thank goodness, just going to be monitored over the coming months. Keep up the good work guys, these Podcasts get better and better.
Regarding going or not to the hospital, we have to keep in mind that a checking or a disease cured early is way cheaper for the society than a serious disease spotted too late.
I had the issue with some apex levers - it was taking 4nm to turn the bolt, so looked like the Loctite so cleaned it, reapplied some fresh Loctite and put it back together. No worries for 3 years since. That's kind of a basic maintenance thing rather than a recall, but fair play to sram for making it more public than it would have been if it wasn't called a recall.
Huge props to talking about mental health. It's a subject that's still not talked about enough, though the stigma is being lifted slowly. Mental health, is health. I went through some very dark days back in 2012, and managed to get through it despite being THAT idiot that basically pretended it wasn't happening and masked it with drinking / overeating and such, getting overweight and thus making worse still - something that's not uncommon. It ended up with me driving on the M6 toll road at the fastest my car would drive (don't ask) looking for things to crash into. Very fortunately, I had a local mate send a message out of the blue (not related to this), and an amazingly supportive wife and set of friends that helped me get through it all. It's a reason why people, especially us men, need to be more open and frank, and not be afraid to tell someone in confidence that you're not well. The brain / mind is a part of the body, and you go to the doctor when it doesn't work. It's also made me much more acutely aware when friends might need a very simple 'You OK mate, fancy a brew?' or just 'We love you and we're always here to help and support you'.
25 y/o here, Last check up I had was when I was 19, Used to have weighed 120, i know unhealthy, but added 40 more since been away from family, Never really wanted to get involved with doctors, but it was really getting bad caused by sleep apnea, now, Started getting treatment for it, Doing medications right now cause of everything had risen up from blood pressure, sugar and everything. Ff, January, slow progress but still cycling for work transpo, February, doing a walk for everyday for 30 mins or more. Definitely wanna lose all this unnecessary stuff. Everyone, Please get checked, Take the hit on your money, but it’s for your health and betterment. Stubbornness is just gonna hold you back further and further.
Regarding mental health, Andys Man Club takes place all around the country on mondays at 7pm. They are a suicide prevention charity. You can go along and talk or not talk but you are there with a bunch of men going through similar things regarding mental health.
Torque doesn't measure friction, it's the force used so that the screws get enough friction to not rattle out. Torque = Force * leverage, M=F*l Friction is only a Force, and you measure it as a force.
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Thank you for talking about health. Speaking about health, you could also talk about sport after a covid infection. I've thrown myself into postcovid fatigue with a bikepacking race in May after an infection in February and I'm hoping to recovering enough this year to be able to do some cycling on a regular basis. You don't want to go there where I've been since then, believe me.
MAny GPs are resident to performing a PSA test due to lack of recourse and results are often inconclusive. Lack of regular screening for men bits is shameful. Thanks for highlighting this issue along with the men's suicide.
Just a minor/silly request.... when naming the videos.... can you put "The Wild Ones" in the front of the video title? Only reason is when previewed it's hard to tell if its the podcast or not because it gets cut off! Thanks....... As always, very enjoyable listening!
Good on you for highlighting men's health. And you're right about fallings in the mental health system. I woke up in the hospital after 6 days of being unconscious. Apparently I had taken over 300 painkillers and antidepressants. I managed to engage for a while with the aftercare however soon after it became too difficult with my crippling anxiety and other things. The NHS has a policy that if you miss 3 appointments you're booted out, so I was booted out. In reality I was spiraling terribly and trained mental health professionals should have seen the red flags but I guess policy is policy...
One of the good cycling related chats. Thanks for making zwift or indeed the odd hour of slightly distracted work time less tedious. And yes - Nick doesn't suck at this. Thanks. Also way better for having Emily's interjections, observations and value adds.
A great podcast, thank you. Touching on the cancer part. I’m just back from cycle 2 Chemotherapy for stage 4 Lymphoma. This is the second round of chemotherapy after lasts years didn’t work. Where does this fit in with cycling ? If I wasn’t so fit through cycling I would have almost certainly expired last May. Cycling as often as possible around my chemo , is an essential part of my treatment. Not just for the physical circulation benefits, but for the mental health benefits too. Cancer as I’m sure many of your viewers / listeners will agree with is a very lonely and tiring condition. Getting out on my bike on the road or Zwift really helps me get through each week , and my prognosis is very good. Ref influencers/ social media. Some great points on the podcast , I have a few go to channels and I enjoy them all, others I drift in and out of. One word of warning though. Be careful who you challenge in the comments. One of my posts was twisted beyond belief and the implications on my job and personal life could have had a major negative effect. All sorted now. Lesson for me. Not everyone is cycling is a nice person.
How long was Nic nursing that coffee? Or did he go through several in the course of filming? (immune to caffeine?). Brilliant discussion and exploration, and natural. Am very much enjoying these long episodes. Underrated!
I agree with Nick. I don't think I've ever used a torque wrench, but my bolts have never come undone and I've never broken anything. Do it up and tweak gently.
I think it's good to have. It's easy to damage the M5/M6 bolt just by a simple allen key or spanner. By having a reference torque number avoid making mistakes.
Great video! Thank you for covering these health related topics. On top of everything you mentioned, people should also get regular blood tests done. It is a great way to monitor a person's different chemistry and hormonal changes as they age. I'm struggling with issues related to low testosterone, but it took a long time to diagnosis since I didn't have any blood reports on record from my 30s.
I'm with the Mavic shirt guy on the SRAM bolt-gate thing. If you don't know to test that your levers are not moving and not crushing your bars, you shouldn't be doing the installation. People should stop relying on reading a number and assuming all is well.
I don't see why people should be embarrassed about getting themselves checked out. I wish people would embrace what they have, appreciate themselves and get themselves looked at when needed! I'd put money on a doctor/nurse not wanting to fondle your bits either. But health is so important and taken for granted. Talk to someone, get the advice you need and look after what is such a short space of time that we are here breathing. Sending love to all those that need it 🥰
To explain Nic's talk about torque specs, torque rating + indication of thread prep (dry, greased, threadlocked) is a surface-level, rough indicator for setting bolt/screw tension, which pedantically can only be accurately measured by strain gauges. In the cycling industry, there's just no real practical way except to start on lower ballpark torque values, then slowly driving the faetener further until specific parameters are met, e.g. tightening lever clamp bolts until the lever does not move off-position under use-case load. I am guessing that SRAM provides their 'solution' of wearing out the excess loctite as legalities has them stuck to standing by the torque specs they disseminated. Practically, the threadlock problem does not matter. If it's unreasonably loose, ignore previous torque specs, tighten it 1/12 of a turn (equivalent of turning the allen key such that where the corner of the hexagon was is now the middle of the flat side), ride it, rinse and repeat until the lever is reasonably secure. You will eventually reach the bolt tension that the torque value originally translates to and no damage will happen to your handlebars.
Heard you say this twice now about lifetime warranty. ENVE now only does 5 year warranty according to their website then afterwards offers crash replacement discount. Zipp, Reserve, Roval and some other brands have lifetime warranty and even some brands like you said have conditions for that. Owing a pair of Reserve wheels and having to warranty a front wheel when I hit a pothole they were amazing to work with they got me a new wheel in less than a week no questions asked
Bolts used by component manufacturers with thread locker on them, when tightened to 6nm for example , the torque is actually around 3 -4nm because of the dried thread locker. All torque settings quoted are for bolts with nothing on the thread at all.
I agree it is not a SRAM recall, a recall is sending the item back etc. it is what we call in aviation a SB - service bulletin where it ask for companies/people to check/insp/adjust some thing to make sure it is correct as there been some reports of a issue, there is normally a feed back process of the findings, and if it is more people report issues after insp, it is a bigger issue and they can up what needs to be done, like full replacement or better insp.
On the Shimano suppler issue: this is what (among others) the audit function is for. You need people on the ground regularly checking, where components coming from and hold the supplier’s feet to the fire for this kind of things. Code of conduct is not enough. You have to be able to enforce it.
the main thing i feel like people can do is talk . sometimes you do need distracting from your feelings but you dont have to bottle things up . there are many great groups out there for mental health stuff .
best opening conv ever.... Ox. I had to take my wife to the GP doctor for a follow up post surgery, and while I was waiting on her, she made an appt for me to have a physical as I had not had one since I got out of the military over 30 years ago. So I've got that going for me.
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Nic has done an alarmingly adequate job as a co-host - thanks Nic, that didn't suck
Honestly he cracks me up, such a funny guy.
Agree Nick rocks!
Best review I’ve ever read.!😍😍🤣🤣
Agreed 👍🏽
10/10 for Emily thinking about the dry seal and the wet seal at 45:25. 👌
Love Emily's new confidence since the Muc Off speech, really enjoying her talking more!
I absolutely adore Nic and his takes on the industry. It’s refreshing to hear things from a perspective I can relate to on a higher level as a fellow pro bike shop mechanic. Hope he’s back every now and then!
It is really grand to have a cycling channel that weaves in social issues w/o being heavy handed, judgmental, etc. Keep it up, all. Great work!!
Thank you for talking about mens health. Love you all x
As a urologist, I have to say, not all was said is entirely ‘true’, but it’s great that you’re making some awareness about prostate cancer.
The whole prostate cancer/prostatitis/erectile dysfunction association with cycling is a huge minefield and poorly understood… but great that it’s being talked about rather than people staying quiet.
Keep it up team!
Well done for highlighting prostate cancer on the show. I was diagnosed at 47! I had zero symptoms, but a PSA test highlighted some high numbers. I had the option to have my prostate robotically removed which I opted for. Amazing results. Do not be scared of getting checked, the treatments these days are amazing, and no, I didn’t need to take that much time off the bike.
Robotic surgery 😱. Hope there was a surgeon steering it. Well done putting your trust in it
It's always operated by the surgeon. Robotic surgery just means that surgeon operates via controllers rather than directly with instruments , and provides better approach, control and results compared to laparoscopic surgery.
I appreciate Emily's additional commentary compared to early episodes. A great addition to the discussion.
Thankyou for talking about mental health. I'm a 47 year old man. I was diagnosed with depression at 17 and looking back was depressed since about 11. I've had all the treatment the NHS is offering (CBT, psychologist etc) and those things have run out for me. I still have a psychiatrist but they are not willing to change my meds as the cocktail I am on is big. They are keeping me stable for the most part. Men definitely need to open up more and talk about the things that are bothering them and let out their emotions more rather than just bottling everything up. I wish I had done this when I was younger maybe I wouldn't be like I am now.
I have been thinking of taking up cycling and for the past few months been looking in to things and hopefully will be getting my bike next week. I just want to get fitter and get out and do something. I'm next to the Peak District so I have a lot of places to ride.
Loving the podcast I look forwards to every episode. I do have a question for Nick. The bike I am getting can have up to 42mm tyres am I too heavy at 95kg (6'3 tall but I still need to lose weight) for tubeless? What tyre widths could I use?
Works no problem im 110 soaking wet and used to ride 32mm gp5000 continental tires... Now im on 40mm maxxis on my touring bike :) go for it. What bike are you looking at?
wishing you lots of splendid rides - bikes really can help mental health, even if riding can’t solve everything ❤
@@sempi8159 Orro Terra C. And thanks :)
@@cneubauer2 Cheers I am sure it will help.
@@Broken__Reality Nice, congrats! Bike rides are my meditation and lifts me up, gets me into a good mental state always successfully! Have fun on your rides, and don't worry about what you are wearing, as long as it keeps you going outside continuously! ❤🤙
Thank you Emily , Jimmi and Nic. I think you are underrated , because of the positive ..philosophy , you all seem to have ! I am a survivor of cancer and a huge fan , for a lot of reasons . Awareness is huge , so thanks for the info , even if it's only one guy that tests !! I do know about Francis' Dad....yeah , I hope they are both OK . Be well .
Refreshing to listen to a cycling podcast that isn't just about cycling, props to you guys for talking about mental health and other normal human topics
on the other hand, if i listen to a cycling podcast, i actually want to listen about cycing stuf... I just wanted to listen about cycling stuff... but no, insted I was reminded that I'm gonna die, either from multiple types of cancer, or I'll just end it a bit earlier...
Excellent pod as usual, really good to see you exploring men's health issues, particularly MH. As a long time sufferer with unwanted black dog, it's REALLY IMPORTANT to talk to someone, to get help, to open up. I can remember wanting to chuck myself in front of trains, crying in public, and generally falling apart. I needed some help, and thankfully, I got it.
PLEASE NOTE: the NHS MH services are (and always have been) appallingly under-resourced relative to physical illness. It's not because the people are bad, it's because there isn't enough service to go round.
Personally, I use cycling as much for therapy as exercise or enjoyment - it's literally a lifeline for me.
Final point, thanks to Nic for his contribution, I'm not his biggest fan but he does add a certain...frisson
I really enjoy how Emily is more outspoken now on all of the topics and feeling more comfortable, while also doing the producer job.
Miss Francis, but Nic was fantastic. Highly underrated. Always a joy to listen to you guys - in whatever constellation
I honestly believe this is one of the best podcasts on UA-cam at the moment. I genuinely look forward to your content. Great dynamic, genuinely interesting & relatable content. Keep it up!!!
Came for the cycling chat, stayed for the health advice. Loving what you guys are doing.
As a GP, PSA tests need to be carefully considered as it’s not a very specific test for cancer. 3 in 4 men with a raised PSA will not have cancer. But to find out if it is significant you will need to probably have quite invasive tests to biopsy your prostate. Also a large amount of prostate cancer is low grade and does not require treatment and in fact the treatments are more detrimental to a man’s health. The PSA test is therefore not robust enough to screen a population for cancer, unlike breast, bowel and cervical cancer screening, where early diagnosis saves a lot of lives and the tests/checks are much better and specific for cancer. If >65 and have symptoms then defo get checked.
Sorry disagree with you. The PSA test is not perfect but it's the best test we have without getting a biopsy done. Only for the PSA test I wouldn't have been diagnosed with Prostate Cancer at 46. Might of been dead now only for it... if there is a history of prostate cancer in your family you need to get tested yearly from age 40, tested from age 45 if no history in your family.
Agree wth you. I have an enlarged prostate and consistently high PSA levels (10 to 12). 2 biopsies haven’t found anything other than inflammation so PSA is not a good determinant.
Francis, Jimmy, Nick & Emily Show!! Woot! Woot! 😎💯🤟
Love to see also James in the mix :)
I really enjoy Emily’s commentary. Always supremely articulate and informed. Ya’ll reminded me of my UK mate & ultra-distance mentor Lee Fancourt. Took his own life, gone but never forgotten.
Don't often comment on social media but had to say kudos for an excellent show. Thank you for dealing with wider topics such as health and mental health issues. Proud to say I've been good about annual checkups including a PSA check (normal thank goodness). Please keep up the great work!
I learnt a lot from Nic in this video. His common sense approach and advice regarding torque settings was invaluable. Everything he said made perfect sense. I stripped a bolt on my new bar stem after trying to rigidly stick to the settings displayed on the stem. A lesson learnt. Thanks again.
Glad to hear this encouragement to see the doctor. My wife is one. There is *nothing* they have not seen. Your body is a series of systems, tubes, levers and pumps that need to be maintained the same as a bike is. Please never ever be put off going by embarrassment. Your *insert issue* is as routine to them as having your brakes bled is to an experienced bike mechanic. My oldest friend died last June because he didn’t see a doctor when it could have made a difference. SEE YOUR DOCTOR.
I was a person that use to race cat 3 and cyclocross. At 22, last year I got testicular cancer. I was very proactive and went straight to the GP. Within a month at the NHS I was having surgery and luckily it was caught at stage one. Had chemo and currently all clear 🤞
Well done
Look at you being all responsible and protective. As a doctor let me say, well done! You handled these important topics well.
I was working at home and I suddenly went "Wait… I know that question!" Thanks for answering and always appreciate when you guys also discuss the more serious topics like mental health, its what really sets this place apart from the miasma of other cycling content.
One of the greatest strengths as a man is knowing your own weaknesses and vulnerabilities and not being ashamed that you're not emotionally and mentally perfect. Self denial and projection are toxic and won't get you where you want to go. Honesty, humility and being open minded to changing your life habits or ways of thinking to grow and heal as a healthy human. It's a win/win if you do.
My brother's friend ended his life recently. He's a fellow mountain biker. I don't know him personally, but it reminds me that this mental health issue is real anywhere.
There was a well known tourer riding in all seasons around the planet, I think he had a channel on YT, he also left this way a few years ago.
I would love to have similar endurance and strength, it's hard to understand even if I often feel down too, that's why we should never compare ourself with other people, or only very superficially...
This is my new favourite UA-cam channel. I look forward to Thursdays as it gives me chance to listen to it on my lunchtime walk. It’s great, informative and intelligent chat. Keep up the good work please!
i think Nic might be slightly mistaken on ceramic bearings. He's correct that the ball bearings are ceramic and the race is a treated steel or alloy but they definitely don't last longer.
The ceramic ball bearing has a hardness of rockwell C 75, even with the treated steel that he's talking about our technology only brings steel up to Rockwell C 60ish, which doesn't seem like much but that means the harder ceramic bearing will wear away the steel race over time. Repeat that over a few hundred km's you'll not only be causing premature wear but also losing watts.
Steel on steel bearings are still currently the best for longevity. assuming no corrosion.
Hope it’s tata for now for Nick and not goodbye. Great perspective on topics from his hands on experience dealing and working with bike brands every day
A friend of mine was experiencing severe mental and drug related issues a few years ago. I cant remember the exact waiting time but after reaching out to his GP, the wait for a therapist appointment was several months and then the following appointment was several months again. Fortunately, he reached out to friends and covid came at a perfect time for him to do a total reset, he managed to give up the drugs and alcohol, and started running. He has managed to totally turn his life around but with the waiting time being several months, I can see why some people who don't have a support network or are afraid of opening up to people may not be so lucky. I understand the NHS is stretched to breaking point but for something that kills such a huge proportion of men, the amount of time after first contact with the GP and seeing a therapist is far too large.
I've learned a lot off of BikeFitTuesdays with James, a lot. So underrated.
Excellent podcast. Thanks for tackling such important issues
@21:10 "sadness comes and goes, I think there is no need to act" - my doc when I told him, that I am "not feeling good". even getting to the doc to talk about this, costs me lots of strength. Took a while to another try at andother doc, got a diagnosis. Had lots of trouble/cost me more strength finding a place for a therapy. Ended up paying it myself, cause I cant wait "at least eight months". Sums up the experience I had with "one of the top 10 healthcare systems "(depends on where you are looking). Made my think how bad are the others...
42:09 he says stainless steel is incredibly hard... is this for real? it's way softer than "bearing" chrome steel.
there are different composites of stainless steels as there are of chrome-steel.
I didn't do my research, but stainless steel means that there is min. around 11% of chrome in it. Which would lead me to think that chrome-steel is also just stainless steel but fancy
Are ceramic bearings in a steel or other kind of race genuinely "sustainable"?
You are 5, go to bed! 😜
As is usually the case with Auto manufacturers, there are two types of recalls. One is a voluntary recall, which is the case with SRAM as they have identified an issue before tonnes of people have been affected by it. Then there is the case with Shimano, which is an involuntary/forced recall, after much public outcry and force of class action lawsuit.
As for Nick's point on how torquing as a method of tightening bolts to a correct pre-load measurement being a dark art is quite apt description. Per AJAX Fastener Hand Book, feel/operator judgement's accuracy is around 35% while torque wrenches operate at around 25% accuracy. The gold standard of measuring pre-load is Strain Gauges, which would cost 20 times more than use of a torque wrench. Many factors, including surface texture (cut or rolled threads), surface coatings/lubrication, thread interference, and speed of tightening affect the torque-tension relationship and up to 25% variation in pre-load can be measured on similar fasteners receiving identical torque. The minimum standard recommended for consistency in controlled tightening of fasteners is light oil lubrication. For instance a standard finish bolt that is recommended with 10 Nm tightening torque is valid for light oil lubrication, if you use grease/anti-seize the toque needs to adjusted by a factor of 0.7 and even then this is a guide.
On the mental health side of things, I think the issue is always the fact that most of us are not very good at noticing the issues. Moreover, we live in a day and age that many are addicted to various things (phones, i-media in general, added sugar in our food, ...); thus, mood swings are quite common across wide spectrum of people. Another issue is that most of us including myself think of ourselves as experts in various fields with just reading a book or a news snippet. So, the issue of mental health is not just matter of opening up to friends and colleagues; rather being more in touch with our inner self to figure out what's actually going on within us. This is further highlighted on the first overrated/underrated section question. People these days are so focused on the outside world that they can't make up their own mind. If you enjoy cycling, you should just ride because you enjoy it. Alas, we feel the need to be validated by others, whether positive or negative. 31:50 I don't believe that we are programmed to put up a mask to show the best of us in social settings. We are rather pressured to do so from early age. Have you ever noticed that kids do what they like to do, because they just like to do it. As adults we are just not in-tune with our true emotions anymore.
The more, the merrier! Nick and Emily have been excellent additions to the line up!
Guys really appreciate the good intention behind the health chat but would suggest getting a GP or someone else medical to clarify the advice, the recommendations around PSA testing are a bit cloudy at the moment because of causing unnecessary biopsies etc
commenting as I’m watching….
1. I rather a stranger fundling my bits than someone I know. specifically related to medical procedures.
2. love that you guys are going above cycling topics.
I think you should have Nick on the show at least once a month. I also would like to see James the bike fitter on the show ASAP
Agree 💯 %.
Certain medical procedures feel invasive or, in other situations, undesirable, but, whether your medical professional is of the same or different gender, I have always told myself that I am receiving care for a legimate reason, the caregiver is qualified, doing what is required to provide me the care I need and is acting professionally and that has always set me at ease. I have even had conversations about sensitive topics and feeling fine to do so because I have gone through the same checklist and come to the conclusion that the conversation with this person is appropriate.
Favourite episode yet, 1 hour flew by, thanks guys. ❤️
This is a great episode. I think you have to keep Nic as a presenter, his insight and attitude has been invaluable.
On the subject of "Influencers", who are these people? I don't follow IG or any other similar media but I get the impression that they are people who are famous but have actually done f*** all to deserve it. They have no expertise, talent or experience to pass on other than how they have manipulated media to become well known.
I am influenced by people who are experts in their field, not Paris Hilton, KK or Liz Hurley.
The health related issues are so important though as a typical bloke, I hold up my hands as the last resort is to seek professional help.
i never heard of a steel race that can hold up long term with ceramic bearings. after a short while of use, they need replacement. corrosion in bearings is just something that we have to deal with.
Great show. Thanks for the focus on overall health. I do remember the episode with the young woman that James and Fran visited to try to cheer up, and how she took her life shortly thereafter. I didn't know her myself, of course, but it made me so sad.
For so many things, we just need to talk. You're only as sick as your secrets. Love to all.
Deep conversations that was needed to be discussed! Great podcast
Thanks for this episode!! I think it is so important for us to destigmatize healthcare in many facets, especially for men. We need to end the thought that going to a doctor for ANY reason is being weak or "un-manly". I would also implore EVERYONE to PLEASE WEAR SUNSCREEN. Minimum 30 spf. Sure, it's nice to get that dark golden bronze look during the summer and crisp bib short tan lines but the risk for skin issues is not worth it in the long run. Cheers you guys!!
Great episode featuring health issues. Please get your PSA Count checked with a blood sample, it is so simple and saved my dad's life a few years ago. A work colleague (49 year old) had his checked last November - no underlying issues but a high reading, had a biopsy and is fortunately cancer free thank goodness, just going to be monitored over the coming months. Keep up the good work guys, these Podcasts get better and better.
Regarding going or not to the hospital, we have to keep in mind that a checking or a disease cured early is way cheaper for the society than a serious disease spotted too late.
I had the issue with some apex levers - it was taking 4nm to turn the bolt, so looked like the Loctite so cleaned it, reapplied some fresh Loctite and put it back together. No worries for 3 years since. That's kind of a basic maintenance thing rather than a recall, but fair play to sram for making it more public than it would have been if it wasn't called a recall.
It is possible to keep mechanic Nick and producer Emily as a constant on the pod?
Loved the wet seal/dry seal joke! :D
Huge props to talking about mental health. It's a subject that's still not talked about enough, though the stigma is being lifted slowly. Mental health, is health. I went through some very dark days back in 2012, and managed to get through it despite being THAT idiot that basically pretended it wasn't happening and masked it with drinking / overeating and such, getting overweight and thus making worse still - something that's not uncommon. It ended up with me driving on the M6 toll road at the fastest my car would drive (don't ask) looking for things to crash into. Very fortunately, I had a local mate send a message out of the blue (not related to this), and an amazingly supportive wife and set of friends that helped me get through it all. It's a reason why people, especially us men, need to be more open and frank, and not be afraid to tell someone in confidence that you're not well. The brain / mind is a part of the body, and you go to the doctor when it doesn't work. It's also made me much more acutely aware when friends might need a very simple 'You OK mate, fancy a brew?' or just 'We love you and we're always here to help and support you'.
25 y/o here, Last check up I had was when I was 19, Used to have weighed 120, i know unhealthy, but added 40 more since been away from family, Never really wanted to get involved with doctors, but it was really getting bad caused by sleep apnea, now, Started getting treatment for it, Doing medications right now cause of everything had risen up from blood pressure, sugar and everything.
Ff, January, slow progress but still cycling for work transpo, February, doing a walk for everyday for 30 mins or more. Definitely wanna lose all this unnecessary stuff.
Everyone, Please get checked, Take the hit on your money, but it’s for your health and betterment. Stubbornness is just gonna hold you back further and further.
Regarding mental health, Andys Man Club takes place all around the country on mondays at 7pm. They are a suicide prevention charity. You can go along and talk or not talk but you are there with a bunch of men going through similar things regarding mental health.
Props for talking about important stuff outside of cycling
I never heard anyone say what I thought about torque all the time. Torque measures friction, not security. All the best.
Torque doesn't measure friction, it's the force used so that the screws get enough friction to not rattle out.
Torque = Force * leverage, M=F*l
Friction is only a Force, and you measure it as a force.
Thank you for talking about health. Speaking about health, you could also talk about sport after a covid infection. I've thrown myself into postcovid fatigue with a bikepacking race in May after an infection in February and I'm hoping to recovering enough this year to be able to do some cycling on a regular basis. You don't want to go there where I've been since then, believe me.
Chris Hall love 🤙
MAny GPs are resident to performing a PSA test due to lack of recourse and results are often inconclusive. Lack of regular screening for men bits is shameful. Thanks for highlighting this issue along with the men's suicide.
Just a minor/silly request.... when naming the videos.... can you put "The Wild Ones" in the front of the video title? Only reason is when previewed it's hard to tell if its the podcast or not because it gets cut off! Thanks....... As always, very enjoyable listening!
Great discussions on health today!
Good on you for highlighting men's health. And you're right about fallings in the mental health system. I woke up in the hospital after 6 days of being unconscious. Apparently I had taken over 300 painkillers and antidepressants. I managed to engage for a while with the aftercare however soon after it became too difficult with my crippling anxiety and other things. The NHS has a policy that if you miss 3 appointments you're booted out, so I was booted out. In reality I was spiraling terribly and trained mental health professionals should have seen the red flags but I guess policy is policy...
Nic has been great and you all really complement each other, keep it going 👌🏼
One of the good cycling related chats. Thanks for making zwift or indeed the odd hour of slightly distracted work time less tedious. And yes - Nick doesn't suck at this. Thanks. Also way better for having Emily's interjections, observations and value adds.
A great podcast, thank you. Touching on the cancer part. I’m just back from cycle 2 Chemotherapy for stage 4 Lymphoma. This is the second round of chemotherapy after lasts years didn’t work. Where does this fit in with cycling ? If I wasn’t so fit through cycling I would have almost certainly expired last May. Cycling as often as possible around my chemo , is an essential part of my treatment. Not just for the physical circulation benefits, but for the mental health benefits too. Cancer as I’m sure many of your viewers / listeners will agree with is a very lonely and tiring condition. Getting out on my bike on the road or Zwift really helps me get through each week , and my prognosis is very good.
Ref influencers/ social media. Some great points on the podcast , I have a few go to channels and I enjoy them all, others I drift in and out of. One word of warning though. Be careful who you challenge in the comments. One of my posts was twisted beyond belief and the implications on my job and personal life could have had a major negative effect. All sorted now. Lesson for me. Not everyone is cycling is a nice person.
How long was Nic nursing that coffee? Or did he go through several in the course of filming? (immune to caffeine?). Brilliant discussion and exploration, and natural. Am very much enjoying these long episodes. Underrated!
I agree with Nick. I don't think I've ever used a torque wrench, but my bolts have never come undone and I've never broken anything. Do it up and tweak gently.
For a news updates / industry updates - you guys are complete hands down better than GCN
I think it's good to have. It's easy to damage the M5/M6 bolt just by a simple allen key or spanner. By having a reference torque number avoid making mistakes.
Great video! Thank you for covering these health related topics. On top of everything you mentioned, people should also get regular blood tests done. It is a great way to monitor a person's different chemistry and hormonal changes as they age. I'm struggling with issues related to low testosterone, but it took a long time to diagnosis since I didn't have any blood reports on record from my 30s.
We need Nick and Francis!
I'm with the Mavic shirt guy on the SRAM bolt-gate thing. If you don't know to test that your levers are not moving and not crushing your bars, you shouldn't be doing the installation. People should stop relying on reading a number and assuming all is well.
I don't see why people should be embarrassed about getting themselves checked out. I wish people would embrace what they have, appreciate themselves and get themselves looked at when needed!
I'd put money on a doctor/nurse not wanting to fondle your bits either. But health is so important and taken for granted. Talk to someone, get the advice you need and look after what is such a short space of time that we are here breathing.
Sending love to all those that need it 🥰
Thanks for another great episode to the three of you.
To explain Nic's talk about torque specs, torque rating + indication of thread prep (dry, greased, threadlocked) is a surface-level, rough indicator for setting bolt/screw tension, which pedantically can only be accurately measured by strain gauges.
In the cycling industry, there's just no real practical way except to start on lower ballpark torque values, then slowly driving the faetener further until specific parameters are met, e.g. tightening lever clamp bolts until the lever does not move off-position under use-case load. I am guessing that SRAM provides their 'solution' of wearing out the excess loctite as legalities has them stuck to standing by the torque specs they disseminated.
Practically, the threadlock problem does not matter. If it's unreasonably loose, ignore previous torque specs, tighten it 1/12 of a turn (equivalent of turning the allen key such that where the corner of the hexagon was is now the middle of the flat side), ride it, rinse and repeat until the lever is reasonably secure. You will eventually reach the bolt tension that the torque value originally translates to and no damage will happen to your handlebars.
Nick has been great. Hope he will come back for the odd cameo.
We will miss Nick!
Top fashion today as well,great purple shirt Jimmy! 💜
Loving this channel, good in biased info, your all great
We had a Gladiator show in Sweden in the 2000's. Think I might see if I can find somewhere to watch this new UK version, seems fun
Dry seal / wet seal just made me love your work a little bit more ❤
had to rewind it 5 times because i missed what Nick said
I love it❤ best podcast in the world 💯👌🤝🙋♂️
Thank you all for a mixed show
An absolutely excellent episode 👍👍👍👍👍
Pedant corner - Hope are from Barnoldswick, Lancashire (pronounced Barlick... dont know why...).
It's sometimes been in Yorkshire too. It's one of those towns neither side really wants.
Heard you say this twice now about lifetime warranty. ENVE now only does 5 year warranty according to their website then afterwards offers crash replacement discount. Zipp, Reserve, Roval and some other brands have lifetime warranty and even some brands like you said have conditions for that. Owing a pair of Reserve wheels and having to warranty a front wheel when I hit a pothole they were amazing to work with they got me a new wheel in less than a week no questions asked
Nick should be on every week , he's a legend 🤟🤟🤟wpuld be pretty cool to have all four of you 😁great episode as always
“It’s not an exact science…Well it is.” Nice quote Nick!
We absolutely had Gladiators in South Africa... Used to have a popular cricket umpire at the time as a ref... Was crazy, but entertaining
I love using Vinted for kit. Picked up some awesome bargains on it I have to say
THNX! Nick and team.
Bolts used by component manufacturers with thread locker on them, when tightened to 6nm for example , the torque is actually around 3 -4nm because of the dried thread locker.
All torque settings quoted are for bolts with nothing on the thread at all.
Best to read the manual when installing parts on your own.
It's my ass saving policy.
I should have done the same with Ikea cabinets my kitchen is falling apart tho 😂
Isn't the point that the manual was false?
@@DR_1_1 For SRAM, they have warnings in their manuals to the effect of what mechanic Nic mentioned. Other manufacturers probably have the same.
I agree it is not a SRAM recall, a recall is sending the item back etc. it is what we call in aviation a SB - service bulletin where it ask for companies/people to check/insp/adjust some thing to make sure it is correct as there been some reports of a issue, there is normally a feed back process of the findings, and if it is more people report issues after insp, it is a bigger issue and they can up what needs to be done, like full replacement or better insp.
On the Shimano suppler issue: this is what (among others) the audit function is for. You need people on the ground regularly checking, where components coming from and hold the supplier’s feet to the fire for this kind of things. Code of conduct is not enough. You have to be able to enforce it.
the main thing i feel like people can do is talk . sometimes you do need distracting from your feelings but you dont have to bottle things up . there are many great groups out there for mental health stuff .
Loved the thoughts of dry seals and wet seals, laughed y socks off as I was thinking the same lol
best opening conv ever.... Ox. I had to take my wife to the GP doctor for a follow up post surgery, and while I was waiting on her, she made an appt for me to have a physical as I had not had one since I got out of the military over 30 years ago. So I've got that going for me.
We had The American Gladiators show in the 80s. It was awesome!