Vintage Bass Drums: What's So Special? | Season Two, Episode 34
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
- It’s pretty undeniable at this point that vintage drums are all the rage. You see their influence all over. While “high-tech” is still something that attracts people, there’s certainly something to be said for an old school, well made drum from yesteryear. Not even full kits necessarily. Or even snare drums. A good ole’ vintage kick can absolutely transform the sonic character of a groove. This week- we’re talking about vintage bass drums and why Cody purchased this stunning 60’s Gretsch Round Badge 20x14”.
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Mics - Focusrite Clarett 8Pre USB & OctoPre - MacPro w/Pro Tools 12.8
Recorded at 48kHz / 24bit
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Full kit: AKG C414 (ear-distance)Snare drum & tom tom close mics: Shure SM57
Bass drum: AKG D112 (at mic port) + KAM R3 Ribbon microphone 8” away from reso
Snare: 60’s Gretsch Round Badge 20x14”
Bass Drum Batter & Reso: Evans G12 Coated
Hosted by: Cody Rahn
Production: Ben O'Brien Smith @ Cadence Independent Media
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I recently found a 65’ slingerland 20” kick at goodwill along with a snare and rack Tom for $15!!!
I freaking love it and I use it for smaller gigs all the time!
Dude, that's insane. I'm jelly.
Im going to Goodwill tomorrow
Did a whole modern pop album on a 1961 Slingerland kit with a 20x14 bass drum and it did the job perfectly 👌🏾
I like to think that Ludwig had "good wood" on the day they made my beautiful-sounding 22" kick back in 1973. Funny that it's starting to be thought of as "vintage," because I bought it brand-new back then. But I do feel that over close to a half-century, my entire kit has taken on added layers of color and subtlety, and that bass drum sounds really sweet these days.
Please do a video on 26” bass drums! :) if you can get hold of a 26” x 12” that would be amazing!
We'll see about borrowing or renting on in the future as neither of us own a 26" bass drum. If you'd like to help make this possible and allow us to explore more outside of our collection of drums, please consider supporting us via Patreon and you'll get access to all sorts of extras: patreon.com/soundslikeadrum
If you tap on my image , ‘one’ has an 18 , and the others have a 20 ( The Abyss has a 24 ported ) . A Fiberskyn floor tom head on the 18 with the damping ring cut out of the logo head and tuned low unported . A regular 20” BD head , batter as the 18 . Felt strip on the batters and don’t bury the beater !
Back in the eighties , I toured with an unported 26” Ludwig . Didn’t need drums in the monitor !
I have a 26" x13" unreal 9ply mmmmm "butter up your bacon boy"
My favorite kick sizes are 20x14 & 24x14, especially when it comes to vintage kicks. Thanks for another great video
Got a 20" ringo kit bass drum 67' and a mij 20" I got for cheap for my Frankenstein vintage kits. They sound great!! I got the ringo set for free.
My friend is getting into drums, I sold him a kit I had and we're always talking about drum stuff. It's funny how we'll talk about something, and a couple days later you put out a video on that exact topic! It's happened 3 or 4 times now, you guys rock! Just last night he ordered some single ply coated heads and a missing hoop for a red sparkle vintage 20x14 kick that was collecting dust in my garage to go along with a ludwig snare he has, because he wants that "big swishy sound" that my vintage style kits have, and then you guys put this video up!
Man, I love the sound of that bass drum - it reminds me of Billy Martin or Carter McLean's sound. Blue Sparkle is probably my favorite wrap color. I've been eyeing some Vintage Gretsch and Ludwigs but I haven't pulled the trigger yet. I'm curious how these kits project in a bar or brewery situation. Those are the main venues in my area.
I recently bought a mid 60's keystone 3-ply Ludwig setup of a 22" bass, 12" and 13" toms and a 16" floor tom + the same snare he uses here (a keystone 60's Ludwig Acrolite with the sexy silvery finish before they started looking like the inside bulkhead of a cold war submarine), and let me tell you, they are louder than I thought when you push them, and project pretty well. I think they can compete with modern drums when it comes to projection. I got some absolutely fudged up uneven bearing edges on the bass drum and rack toms, which means they sound absolutely killer when tuned to a low mid tuning, but struggle when tuned super duper low, as the heads aren't touching the bearing edge in several places = vibration isn't transferred to the shell all around (less low end). However, these bearing edges are wide as a highway, so there are PLENTY of room to re-cut them, and it's really not an expensive thing to do. Once you do that, they get all the bottom end in the world; measurably more than even several super expensive modern high end kits out there. Like, the difference is unbelievable, you just get much more low end, because of the unique woods it's made of and the battering ram sized bearing edges, ensuring that - if even - gives massive contact with the head all around and transfers vibrations more than ANY other modern high end drum set out there on the market today with a more modern bearing edge. It's glorious. If you know anyone who can fix bearing edges, buy some vintage 3-plies if whatever brand. Mine are of course blue sparkles
@@michaelcaplin8969 I've got a set of 1968 Ludwig Keystone Blue Sparkle's 22/13/16 3-ply shells. Compared to today's modern drums that I own, having oversized hardware and badges and at times marketing hype - these Ludwigs almost looked like toy drums when I first got them. Especially the kick drum being only 14" deep. I was a little afraid to hear what I just bought. I'm used to playing an 18" deep kick because that's what everybody did back in 1993. However, I found out quickly, that these 52 year-old Ludwig drums project amazingly well and have a low-end tone that sounds like cannons. Even when tuned a little higher than I'm used to. They actually sound better, to me, when tuned up a little allowing the shell to come to life. The 22x14 kick is awesome. Deep and punchy with only felt strips being used. I also have it tuned up higher and it sound killer. Not boppy at all, but deep, with a pinch of boom and to the point. The drums are pretty easy to tune and the bearing edges on mine are in great shape.
Shout out to Steele @ 6:40. Heck yes!!!!. You guys rock for giving him a plug. Love what he and you guys are all about. 👍👍
Love the sound of my mid 60's Gretsch! Evans heads fit great! Clear Emad batter with the original front logo head and tuned down it sounds huge and punchy!
Years ago, a quick fix for a sliding bass drum was a length of clothesline rope. Wrap it around each tension rod (only works on T rods 😆) closest to your pedal. Run the two ends back around your throne and tie them together. Especially useful if you forgot you rug and were playing on a wood or tiled floor.
On my vintage drums, I’ll use the Ludwig bass drum spur that clips to the front hoop of the bass. The spikes on the Ludwig adjust individually which is great for uneven surfaces. Well worth the extra money for the Ludwig, plus my DW9000 has spurs on that as well, so sliding is not really in issue in today’s world. The new type spurs are fantastic, ugly but fantastic. I had a 60’s Gretsch set in the 70’s with a 20. Came without a front head, no hoop and no T rods or claws; I bought all new ones. Tried to put the head on and not a chance. I’ve heard DW finally corrected that problem when they purchased Gretsch. Thanks for the interesting video.
Very inspiring. Might have to cover this on my own channel as it’s brought up some ideas from a recording perspective. Thank you man!
Thanks! So many fun angles to take when it comes to the recording and production end of things. Cheers! -Ben
Every gigging drummer I know has (or wants) one of these. I had a Royce 20-incher for a while. Was well built and did the job in small venues. I’d love a vintage one like this though as the one I had didn’t sound so good.
Great video guys!
Love me some vintage premiers! 3ply mahogany. Or birch with beech re rings! Amazing.
Got me a mid 80s resonator in 10,12,13,14,14 and a 18" kick! Also a early 70s "elite" in 22 X 14 (best depth for 22) 13 and 16. (I pair of with my 14 X 8 and 16 X 18 (also "elite") Tom's) ansa few others! Tottaly kick ass for the prices which are undervalued. Anything could be anything with vintage drums some sound shit some. Sound amazing. I find they are more open and have internal dampeners!!! Everyone needs internal dampeners in their snares/Tom's/bass drums. So much more control then shoving crap ton of moon gel on it!
I have 4 old 60's Kits, Slingerland, Ludwig , Decca, And Majestic, All the Bass Drums have the original Spurs, The Decca and the Majestic especially have Spurs that will keep the drum level but wont stop it from Creeping, So I use a Rubber back Rug and a Bass Drum anchor, Which cost about 20 dollars or less. It mounts to the front Wooden Bass Drum rim dead center on the floor, One side has rubber feet the other you can flip and it to use the sharp metal points. Your Bass Drum will not creep at all when you use a Bass Drum anchor on it. They work so well i use them on all 4 kits.
another well done video, with a lot of great information.
I have a set of 1963 Gretsch round badges (22x14, 13x9, 16x16), and the bass drum is the best part. It has lots of low end tone and punch, it sounds 'rounded' to my ears and works very well in most styles of music. The original spurs keep the bass drum locked in place, and I've just started using the original Tom mount which hasn't budged yet! Not too bad for a 57 year old drum. For heads on the bass drum I use a Remo PS3 coated, I've tried a lot of heads on there but this sounds the best to me. The toms have a lot of tone to them, too much for most things that I play, so I slightly dampen them using the internal dampeners and sometimes with o-rings. Currently I'm getting together a recording setup to record my bands and start uploading some videos to social media playing this kit. I'm going to be using this kit for every song that I record to see how truly versatile this kit is.
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Hi ! Thanks again for this high quality content, best on YT :) I recently bought a Vintage Ludwig Black Beauty for 1976 (the first year they were reintroduced i think). I was convinced after seeing your review of the vintage BB on your channel! The seller had bought it in 1976 and kept it clean for more than 40 years. There are a few scratches but it plays as new. I couldn't be happier. It is crazy to play on a drum that is nearly twice my age ! Can't wait to use it live in different situations as it is incredibly versatile ! Cheers :)
Ah. I had a 60s round badge, same size. The whole set sounded great.
This kick sounds amazing! One of the best I've heard, hands down. I was kinda leaning towards some 60s Ludwig drums, but I'm keen to check out a Gretsch kick from that era now!
I play a vintage set, 1977/78 Tama Imperialstar Saturn 12 = 1. BIG kit but has the 80's sound with the evans Hydraulic heads. Oh, the cymbals are vintage Zildjian "A"s and "K"s too.
I use 20 inch bass drums, Slingerland, Ludwig, and I have 2 M I J kits. To stop the Bass Drum from Creeping or moving forward like most drummers I use a good rug with a rubber backing, and on the straight leg/Spur made in japan drums I ground a sharp tip onto the legs/spurs. And the best thing to use on those drums is a Bass Drum Anchor, It sits right on the front head rim and can be used with rubber tips or metal points, Use these and the Drum will not move.
Nice content, keep it rock 🤘🏻
I like vintage stuff, though I haven’t had the pleasure of owning a full vintage kit. I like the resurgence of vintage style kits with modern upgrades. I personally play a PDP Concept Maple Classic (with the wood-hooped toms) and got the 24x14 kick, and I’m just incredibly smitten by the sound of it! 🥰
6:40 can be fixed by... Ismael!!! Thanks to you guys I met him, what a great guy :D
I've become a huge fan of vintage drums, everywhere from Ludwigs and Rogers to stencil kits. I work for a church, so in addition to the Rogers I own, I also use a second Rogers, a Star, a stencil, and had a Ludwig on loan for a while, all 60s era drums. Each kit has it's own unique flavor, but I love them all. I play mostly modern music, as does the church, with a small amount of muffling (hand towel, usually) in the kick, but with Aquarian Superkick I and IIs. The Ludwig was 22x14, everything else is 20. I like a tight kit setup, so the 20s also allow more versatile tom placements.
Love it wide open! I have a Gretsch Round Badge bass drum with the same spurs as this one. I can’t hit It hard enough to make it creep away from me. If there’s a problem with a drum moving, I gotta think it’s because of the surface the drum is on. I use a Drumat now, but I’ve also used a regular rubber-backed door mat. The only time I’ve had trouble has been when there’s no rug at all and the drum has been on a smooth hard floor. Even then, there are remedies. There’s no need to permanently modify the drum by mounting different hardware. Of course, it’s true that modifications only matter if you’re concerned about “collector” value, and if the drum has a certain amount of damage or other mods already made, there’s no point worrying about it. Still, there’s no need, IMO, to change the spurs; just use an appropriate rug.
Good work Mr. i have a 60,s round badge kit 20,12,14. i can play a lot of style with this drum especially the bass drum!!!!
I have a 66 20in. Round badge. I use a clear E Mad with the foam ring removed and the pratt muffler just slightly on. The reso is a coated Remo Ambassador with a thin felt strip. ( no port ) Sounds great miced, or on it`s on with a quieter band. Thanks for sharing this video !
I have a luan 1978 Pearl kit with a 24x14 BD. Coated Emp and Coated Amb, both have felt strips, no port. I restored the entire kit and the original bearing edges were fine. Kinda roundover and kinda angled. Hard to tell with luan. But it sounds amazing! Punchy, warm, and dry. Everything is clear at all volume. Tone is superb! Luan is not fireword! If everything is level and round, OMG! I may buy a nicer kit later, but will never sell what I have now.
Lotsa vintage kits are luan. With TLC one can save a lot of money to get that vintage sound!
Thanks again for the wide range of video topics!
20x 14 can do every genre. I bought a sonor 60s kick. Tuned low with a hole and with a kick mic, you can get smacky modern sound, all the way to full heads tuned high for bop.
phenomenal
Loving it wide open!
My drumteacher has a 70s Ludwig kit and that thing sounds so buttery to fall in love with.
I hate when people use buzzwords that don't mean anything.. such as "sounds buttery".
Great video as usual! Usual is as usual does! I have a 20 x 14 from a 10 ply American rock maple Keller shell! Wonderful fusion size! Dial her up for jazz or bring her down for R&B… Wonderful!
The sizes of those old bass drums just sounded better than today’s common 22x18’s, I think today’s bass drums are just too deep in size
I have a pdp all maple series and in the studio I swap out the pdp 22x18 for my old Ludwig rockers series 22x14. It just has more punch!
Keep up the great content, I always learn something new from you and enjoy it!
There's definitely a unique tone/behavior that comes from 14" deep bass drums. Less distance between batter and reso makes for a much faster reaction time for the "oomph!" following the attack. Thanks for the kind words! -Ben
I'm with you all the way. 16" is the deepest I like. Older kicks sounded rounder.
I just ordered a C&C 20x14 that I think is designed with the old school Gretsch sounds in mind. I play a little bit of everything but I’m trying to get into more jazz style playing. The kit I have right now is a 24” monster from my indie rock days, so I figured a 20 was a safe bet for a more versatile style from jazz to pop. Super happy that this video seems to have validated my purchase, can’t wait to see how she sounds!!
I have a vintage Japanese made Stewart 20x14 bass drum which was made by Tama before they started making Tama brand drums. It is a thick 6 ply shell of Philippine mahogany, a.k.a luan. I removed the old wrap, and gave it a fresh new look with a powder blue paint job and satin lacquer, installed a set of Gibraltar spurs years back when I first got it, and have had it for over 14 years. I have a Powerstroke 3 clear batter and coated, unported resonant head, and had a newly original logo decal installed on the reso head. It now looks like something that C&C drums built, and sounds just as good. I also lightly sanded and lacquered the interior of the shell, and it is now a little powerhouse with a nice warm, fat and punchy tone. I'm now currently in the process of doing the same thing with a rare, 10 lug, Bollero snare drum which was made by Pearl in the mid to late 60's, with the same shell type. I'll be doing a nice gold paint job on it, similar to Gretsch's gold mist finish and DW's gold top Les Paul tribute finish. Once I install a new Pearl throw-off and butt plate and some fresh heads, hopefully it'll sound and look just as good as the bass drum.. Once again, great video, playing and drum sound 👍
Great video! I have vintage Rogers kits with 20, 22, and 24 bass drums. I favor an Aquarian force 1 batter with a regulator reso, unported. That combo works very well for me. I do have a ported head just in case , so I don't have to cut a hole in a head.
Great video as always - I personally LOVE vintage drums and tend to use 13,16 22 and sometimes 24s. Love the wide open tone and thump from my Ludwigs (I've mostly used and owned early 70's 3 ply kits) but recently bought a C&C 12th & Vine kit which is mahogany/maple/mahogany and sounds incredible! Very much in line tone wise with my Luddy's albeit with better hardware. Would love a downbeat so always interesting to hear what 20s can do even though I tend to favour bigger drums. Keep up the awesome work - perhaps you can do an episode on full vintage kits and the tuning schemes you have found to extract the best from them.
Those 12th & Vine kits are great! Got to spend a lot of time with one that we had at D’Addario and I loved the classic tones from those shells pretty much regardless of the heads you used. Cheers! -Ben
Great topic. I am an exclusively an Evans guy but if you have consistent trouble with a particularly oversized drum shell I do know Remo makes heads with larger collars specifically for that reason. This, however, has become much less of an issue with the implementation of the Level 360 technology. Vintage drums can also lend themselves to louder music well with appropriate heads and minor hardware upgrades due to their thick shells. When in doubt, search vintage drum catalogues on Google as they tell you alot about different decades. I bought a 28" single tension slingerland radioking (I think it was) off Craigslist for about $60 years ago. It was just huge and ridiculous lol, I sold it to a local band who was trying to put together a Bonham sounding kit on the cheap.
Having compared the Remo Classic Fit heads to the Evans Level 360 design, I haven't found there to be an improvement with oversized shells such as the 60's Gretsch drums. The Classic Fit heads do seem to fit better than their standard designs but still exhibit a pretty tight squeeze in certain scenarios. It's a combination of the inner diameter of the flesh hoop along with the collar design that makes or breaks this relationship between drumhead and drum. (Full disclosure- I was part of the research & development, finalization, and launch of Level 360). -Ben
@@SoundsLikeADrum And that's why I always trust your info! The whole level 360 concept has completely set the bar for modern drum heads.
I was lucky enough to be gifted a Gretsch round badge kit from a guy at my church back home. I don't know much about it, but I did a little research and found that it's most likely from the 60's. 20" kick, 14" floor tom, and 13" rack tom. That thing is my baby for sure lol. Maybe it's because I'm more of a guitarist than a drummer, but it's hard for me to tell the sonic difference between drums aside from the difference in drum head sounds. I'd love to see a comparison of a vintage and modern kit side by side that are the same sizes and use the same heads so that I could get a direct comparison of how the woods age over time! Love your channel
Questlove calls the 14x20’s “shorts” and said that size is underrated, he’s absolutely right. I’ve owned two 60’s Slingerlands and they were complete thumpers.
We’re huge proponents of any diameter with a 14” depth.
I have a vintage pearl export drum set double bass set and there real good drums both basses are 22 by 18 they blow away any modern drums of today I do play them with modern music and the sound I get out of them are fantastic!!!!
Just ran across an authentic barn find.a 22x12 gretsch round badge.no extra holes in it.scew on bass drum legs,and the interesting thing is the drum tunes both heads from one side of the drum.From research I believe it's from the 50S.Has calf heads on it and just needs a Lot of polishing on the nickel hardware. The paint was literally coming of the drum so I decided to sand it down and probably just put hung oil on it.Cant wait to get the project done,hope it sounds as good as it's going to look.
I prefer my 1967 Ludwig 22x14 over my 2017 Tama Starclassic BB 22x18 kick drum...and I really love my Tama kit.
I have a 1958 Carlton 20x14, nothing inside, no porthole and it barks like a Keith Carlock tuning. Its just awesome and fun to play. The thing I've noticed is that playing this bass drum makes me play differently because it has a longer resonance. As Im hearing the longer note its like I just adapt to the distance between 0 and 1 and groove differently to that of a modern kick.
Bass Drum Sound: 08:27
Watching this at 3am+ is the best choice made for today because the videos from this channel are always so awesome!
By the way, love the stick bag at 08:27! Any links to purchase the bag? 😆
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it. That stick bag is from Promark: www.daddario.com/products/percussion/accessories/stick-bags-and-storage/transport-deluxe-stick-bag/
I got a great deal on a used Gretsch USA Custom vintage build and I have never used the Pratt muffler.
i might have an idea for a future video. how about a comparison between kicks of different depth? i'm sure you guys have already mentioned the differences here and there in other videos, but it would be cool to hear them head to head in one single vid
I’ve got a 68 pearl kit with 22” kick. I think it’s 14” or 16” deep. I love it! My other kit is a 2000’s Tama with a deep kick and I like it too but for rock it seems too deep. And it’s also a 22”. With the pearl, I’ve left the heads alone so far and I think they’re ambassadors with a port in front and a dammar patch on batter. I don’t normally like the patches and have never needed them, but it really hits! Down side being the rack Tom is 13”. I’d prefer a 10.
Steele @ Kentville ftw! I love my vintage 20’s but find they can’t quite keep up with the 22’s for louder/ rockier stuff (particularly live). A few tips on getting the most out of different vintage kits (Ludwig, Gretsch, Slingerland) would be cool :)
Just snagged a Red Sparkle Ludwig Down Beat. 12,14,20. So pumped to conduct all kinds of sound experiments.
Congrats and enjoy the new (old) drums!
6:24 “because that day they had good wood”
I believe I have a 22” 1966 Ludwig. Rescued it and 2 toms from a drum shop in 1995. I assume the badges are legit.
I live 20 miles away from the Ludwig factory and I’ve been meaning to take these old shells down to see what they have to say about them.
I think the interior ply is maple and the outer is a mahogany veneer. The outer is very thin not sure it even counts as a ply. There is some damage to the veneer so I wonder if it was wrapped at one point.
It booms. I have a calftone emad on the batter and a felt strip on the reso to control it in the small room I play in. Looking to get a bomber beater.
I had a 20" bass drum many moon ago and keep breaking drumheads. Finally got me a 2 8" x14" Bass Drum and Never Going Back.
34 episodes in one season? Jesus lol if only regular shows where like that!
We do 52 episodes per season! We've released a brand new video every single week (and sometimes a couple videos in one week) for the last 86 weeks.
If I could somehow manage to get my hands on a 60’s Camco kit, I’d be a veeery happy boi
Love the video. I noticed you didn't use a port on the bass drum resonant head in this video. I would be very curious to see a comparison between micing a resonant head with a port versus one with no port. There seems to be a perception from sound engineers that a port is absolutely necessary to get a good bass drum sound, but I've never seen a true comparison. A related topic might be whether the location of the port has an effect on the sound of the resonant head (i.e. in the center of the head versus off to the side). Love the channel guys!
Thanks! We addressed a bit of port vs. no port (and different sizes) here: ua-cam.com/video/oTCaIXNctAk/v-deo.html Cheers! -Ben
I love a 20 by 16 bd, ported ,with a pillow, for all styles. Make sure to tighten all screws on the drum, there's always a few loose that will rattle or creak.
Tell the sound guy to mic the back of the kick if you go no port on the resonant side. I don't have ports on any of my kits; right now I'm using a 60s 20" Rogers and I've never gotten a complaint once I tell them to mic the back. You get plenty of tone and more of the attack since it's right near the beater.
You don't need to change the legs of a vintage bass drum to prevent it moves forward; just pick a piece of cord, tie it nicely to one of the rods, pass it by the throne and then tie the other extreme to another rod and that's it! I've been doing that for years and always did the job!
Cool video and very informative but how are you tuning this bass drum ? I have always loved vintage gear and have played mostly mid to late 1960s kits because of their sound and response. Nice groove playing and the kick sounds killer.
I have a vintage MiG Sonor Sonic Plus bass drum. It's good. The only problem I have with it is that it uses some non standard screwdriver-only compatible tension rods.
I love wood bass drum hoops🥁🥁🥁🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
Hey guys, i have kinda not-related to the video question. What heads did Vinnie use on his toms during Buddy Rich Memorial Concert? Seems to me its coated reso, maybe ambassadors, and some kind of two ply batter, probably emperor ebony or so. Have a nice day to everyone!!
I own an 18x16 and a 22x18.
The 18” has two full heads, and the 22” is ported.
Neither one does the job of the other. The 18” is resonant and fun to play, but does not have enough low end for anything but Jazz.
The 22” delivers a punch to the chest.
I’d hate to have to move the 22” to a gig.
If I could only have one size bass drum, it would be a 20x14 or a 20x12.
I have a 20x10 and love it. Thin Maple. Not ported.
Excellent! I recently purchased 1964 Olympic by Premier drum kit with 20"x12" bass drum. It definitely sounds much more bigger than it looks. With 12"x8" rack tom and 16"x15" floor tom, it's match made in heaven. Although, I have to say, proper heads are critical! Right now there is P3 on it, but Ambassador or Emperor coated would surely make difference regarding warmer tones. Thank you for great content as always!
Do you have a video where you explain how to tune the resonant bass drum head with the hole.
hello, great video. I just played my newly acquired Sonor teardrop 1966 drums, and i cannot get a decent sound out of the 20x14" bass drum. It has a coated Remo Emperor with a port hole on the reso side, and a new coated Emperor on the batter side. Weirdly enough, when i hit on the reso side i have a bit of a low end, but on the batter head it's completely dead, just some attack and no presence - it's super weird, i've never had that. Any idea what i am doing wrong? muffling doesnt make much difference (only in sustain)
I got KBrakes form my straight / small bassdrum legs. No walking bassdrum anymore.
ayyyy sounds great . what sort of ride is that . looks pretty thin wit the wobbles
We’ve been using that one on our episodes for a little while now. It’s a custom cymbal by our good friend Jesse Simpson. www.jessesimpson.com/cymbals
Remo & Aquarian make heads for vintage drums with slightly larger collars.
It’s true. And Evans heads all have larger collars now for better fit and easier tuning. They all still experience fitment challenges when it comes to oversized shells like the old Gretsch Round Badge drums.
Hi there! Can you comment on the differences between a 10 mil and 12 mil head on that same bass drum?
gr8 episode, about to buy a 70's KENT set after years of gigging and recording on a bullshit STAGG
Quick question, does modern style wood/vs vintage style Metal Rims on bass drums makes much difference sonically??
In the context of a performance? Not likely. There are so many elements that get in the way and mask those small differences to the point where it’s kind of hilarious how much the drum industry splits hairs over such things.
Good advise I have a late 50's Slingerland that I use a lot... It just has a certain sound you cannot get from a modern bass drum
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Is there a number of years designation for vintage vs antique? I was able to date my Pearl MMX as pre-1995 on account of having to make two trips to the drum shop discovering 6mm bass drum tension rods :D
I know this is about the bass drum, which sounds fantastic; but what is that ride/crash please?
That was a custom cymbal by our good friend Jesse Simpson. www.jessesimpson.com/cymbals
I use a 70s Gretsch 22 x 14 inch bass drum. I use it for everything. But mostly blues, classic rock, and some Motown and funk music. I have to use duct tape to keep the bass drum from creeping. Do you know of anyone in the Chicago area who could retrofit some modern spurs?
Steve Maxwell drums,Glendale hts.,Illinois.If he don't have it nobody does.!!!
A Taye clutch ?? ;-) (best design ever)
Using a Remo clutch here.
@@SoundsLikeADrum Identical to a Taye ... if you've ever heard of them. Either bought or stole the idea ;-)
@@fredpasta6488 Yep- quite similar. Entirely possible that one is licensing it to the other but there don't appear to be any patents registered for the design. Simple and effective!
good point on economy drums losing their shape and being warped. i.e.: Pearl export and many, many others.
First of all, love your Channel
And also, what kind of hihat is this?
Thanks so much! The hi-hat cymbals are a custom modified top cymbal by Jesse Simpson that was done to match an old K hi-hat top and the bottom cymbal is the top from a set of Zildjian New Beats. Cheers! -Ben
Sounds Like A Drum cool, i guess its not possible to get one? I really really like the Sound of it
You’d have to have a cymbal made or modded or track down a similar one. Jesse puts up cymbals for sale on a regular basis though if you’re interested.
I've heard you can snip the metal hoop (not the head) on a tightfitting head so it'll fit on a vintage drum. Any truth to that claim?
When you say "snip", what do you actually mean? You might be able to grind a bit of the hoop away if there's a spot where the O.D. of the shell shifts (like with the overlap of a sparkle wrap, for example) but there's not much material there to remove and you do risk the integrity of the drumhead. You'd likely be better off having the drum re-edged. -Ben
@@SoundsLikeADrum I imagine taking tin snips and snipping the metal collar on the drumhead so there's more play to fit the drum. I admit it does sound like a bit of a hack, but I've seen this approach discussed on other forums. I haven't tried it personally.
@@cjansenATL Sounds like a great way to compromise the integrity of the drumhead but we'll experiment with it and see what we come up with. If it works, you can be sure that we'll have a video on it! Cheers! -Ben
Aquarian sells the heads your looking for.Dont cut the hoop.!!!
Don’t you really enhance the vintage vibe here by the choice of heads? I mean, would this drum really sound that different from a ”modern” one if you would have a premuffled batter, some muffling inside and a ported reso?
Believe it or not, it does sound different. It might be due to imperfections in the manufacturing, the particular wood they had available then, the edges, who knows :) But i've actually gotten to A/B old and modern Gretsch drums in person with the same heads and the new ones are very close but slightly different. This vs, say, a DW of same size... totally different. - Cody
interestingly, most of what you say about vintage bassdums is somehow not the case for the eighties. My Sonor Performer bassdrum is simply and in all respects without weaknesses, even by todays standards.
Which aspects specifically? "Vintage" is certainly quite a bit of a catch-all term and drums varied quite a bit over several decades even within a single brand. Different designs in hardware, spec, etc. will absolutely affect the performance of the drum. There's also a reason why some people are diehard vintage Sonor fans. -Ben
@@SoundsLikeADrum After reading my comment again, I think that it might sound a bit too harsh and direct. I can hardly judge because English is not my native language. However, it explains my bias towards Sonor, I'm actually German. Thank you for your answer, by which I just noticed this.
I like that the entire video is about bass drums and almost the whole video there is no bass drum footage lol
Kinda awkward if we keep the camera on a bass drum while Cody’s talking, don’t you think? 🤷🏼♂️
When Cody comes on screen i make the unghh noise Austin Burcham
makes when he hears a sick fill
I still find that today's bass drums sound cardboard but it's not because they are mostly set for taking his microphone ?
Not sure I understand the question here. Can you clarify
I would assume it’s mostly the heads used and if you are talking about recorded music today, there are many things things that can create that cardboard sound (mics, triggers, effects). My friend is in a metal band and does everything he can in studio to get that sound. I don’t love it, but he certainly does.
Weres the bass kick
A no show didnt wamt to hear your snare
Dude! I would've MUCH rather seen THE DRUM than to just see YOU the entire time. I can HEAR what you have to say without having to see a close-up of you the entire time. I dont know if its a vanity thing or if you were just ashamed of the appearance of the drum.