Technically you can say that all funded HasLabs would have been successful at retail. This is the point of HasLab; if Hasbro is not sure that enough people will want a product at full price they make it a HasLab so that it is all or nothing. If a product is not going to be profitable for them then they aren't going to bother making it.
That’s the whole point though. HASLAB was created to avoid the bargain shoppers. Hasbro knows people will wait for retail to put it on sale, and Wal-Mart won’t carry them anymore. Therefore Hasbro is happy with this made to order model, and the fans are sort of happy.
If they want to fund the expensive ships and play sets. Set up payment plans. It takes a year plus to get anyways. If they do that they might sell more because it doesn’t sound as expensive then. Looks less pricey than one big lump sum.
I went in on the Haslab Unicron because I knew something like that in that scale would not fly at retail. Also because of the niche aspect of it. But I can see the Skystriker being a straw on the camel’s back. What was it for backing, $230? Even with inflation, I’d have to check, but seems really high for what basically is a replica of the original toy from the 80s. I backed the Cats lair and it will probably be my last backing project. Having seen it in person now and just the sheer ridiculousness of it is a novelty. Plus Thundercats is a semi dormant IP. Aside from Super7’s efforts. It’s not something you’re going to see on retail store shelves. But, I don’t see it making it to its full unlocked tiers. I thought it would’ve budged some more after Power Con. But it’s still sitting over 3200 and some change. It still has less than a month to the deadline. I just think price and space is a major factor with this one. Hasbro in hindsight with its other crowdfunding campaigns got a good dose of hubris thinking their customers would eat up whatever they slopped out. Some of those projects were not the best subjects to pick. Johnny Blaze Ghostrider with the motorcycle would’ve sold over the car. Reva’s light saber with a character that is not liked obviously didn’t sell. She’s a villain not a hero. They’re not thinking about who their audience really is and what they’ll spend their money on.
What "they" (toy companies) haven't considered is that most crowd funds are being bought/considered by the same audience. At this point, after many years of multiple crowd funds, more so than the money is the limited space issue. All toy collectors are running out of display space and due to that fact are becoming more selective in what they buy.
They should’ve released a ATAT or a Death Star possibly a republic gunship or even a echo base.That’s the thing I like dioramas or background for my characters to display they have some but I feel like if you had echo or the Death Star some people just might like
@@tydiriumhanger1320 yes maybe the stuff some people like me didn’t grow up with.I’m all about backgrounds.We can see action figures everywhere but backgrounds should be sold more at a reasonable price and worth what it comes with
@@PopCultureAnticSS All those things already exist. The Sky Striker has proven that a non pre-existing Haslab does so much better. Although, that is only one example.
@@holonet1 oh no don’t get me wrong not dismissing the originals I would much rather have the originals but let’s face it they’re still going to remake toys so if that’s the route I’d rather have a very detailed at at Walker than a lightsaber a ghost rider car from the past.Cant stop them but some of us old timers can still appreciate a good looking atat^_^Im still trying to find cybertron buildings for dioramas.That would be neat but let’s just agree talking toys is fun!
Man Hasbro/lab should include better teirs and go all out with the producuts . You can get 3rd party companies that produce better quality items for those gigantic prices
The Ghost here in Australia is listed at Au$999 ! That's easily most of a weeks net (post tax) salary for a young professional. I managed to get the Barge for under that via the mere 400 they listed on eBay, however I'm an older OT fan from the Kenner days, so the Ghost is NOT a must have for me & simply a bridge too far price wise.
What we really need to crowd fund is the Blaster Master vehicle from the Nintendo Power foldout from back in the 80s. It was in the November/December 1988 Nintendo Power.
Without all 4 figures, the Ghost just isnt worth 500. I actually question if it's worth it even with all 4. I'd like to see some lights, electronics, motorized drop gate maybe. I've been out since day one on it.
Value is relative but if it were an ewok Village with 7 trees and 15 play features for the same price and unlocks were new ewoks would that be worth it?n e
Yes, value is relative for sure. We each see that differently. There's probably more demand for an Ewok set, honestly, now that you mention it. The playability factor is a big one. Only so much you can do with a gargantuan ship, kids probably couldn't even move it around and at 500 are mostly priced out. Part of the reason I mentioned what I did about it would be to increase the playability of the ship.
@joshogborn5963 I agree, while most may think electronics & firing missiles are gimmicky & childish, I absolutely love it when the BMF's ramp comes down & the lights turn on! Also, the engines lighting up & igniting. Also, the BAT-AT's sound affects. I really like the chin guns! Yeah, TVC 2.0 vehicles look incredible, but lack fun play features. Although, not an electronic feature, I love the opening doors on the LAAT's too.
I don't back Haslabs simply because I just want the figures. I just wanted the Hiss Tank Driver and Wild Bill, but I'm not dropping that kind of cash for 2 figures. Another issue is when they make core characters exclusives.....good times.
Good points for some of these situations. Smaller items can be better. Like imagining if the Mico Galaxy Star Wars line of vehicles were 3 3/4" scale instead of 1" scale figures. I think the line is doing generally well in a smaller, more affordable in price and space to store scale.
People should thank the stars for Haslab resellers. Without them, we'd probably not reach the stretch goals, and the aftermarket prices would be insane. It's not like there's limited product they're gobbling up--each additional order wills more into existence. I missed out on the Razorcrest, so I'm quite glad to know I can still buy one new and also pay my mortgage.
I was able to help out a fellow collector out at work recently with an extra Razor Crest. So I always try to pick up extras when I can to make sure projects I’m interested in gets funded.
@@tydiriumhanger1320, I am still on the fence about the Cats Lair. I have the Thundertank and most of the figures. However, I don’t know where to display that set.
I don't think it's loosing its luster its just we fans want better products. Take the unicron figure its going for at a minimum triple its original price.
I think you make some really good points (especially about the trouble bubble) but I do think if the COLLECTOR wants a bigger vehicle, then we will have to go through has lab for the hasbro products. cuz I don't think target or walmart will buy them anymore. but what do I know 🙂
for me it's just these $200 to $400 orders that are coming out every month to the point I'm questioning my sanity, between McFarlane and Hasbro I'm leaving myself very little wiggle room each month if any at all! it's like McFarlane and Hasbro doesn't know most people don't make $75,000 a year and can't afford 5 or 6 $20 to $50 purchases every week!
I have only bought three haslabs so far. I did back the engine of vengeance even though I was not happy with the price. The only one I've received as yet was Galactus. The day he came in I made a day of it. I put a watcher in the window of my front porch to keep watch. I got my nephews to help me open it. I can't wait for the hiss tank to come in.
Unicron barely made it bast the finish line but needed an extra 2 months. There was so much hate and negativity during the campaign for Unicron and now so so much regret LOL
I havent backed anything sense Eternia. It use to be a special day when a crowdfund arrived. Now, I sometimes FORGET I even backed some projects cause of no updates, and to much time passes. Same with the edorphine rush. I feel it heavy once a project succeeds and I'm charged. After awhile, it fades. My tastes change, interests change...you know as I do, it can happen quick. Waiting 1 to 2 years, and tie up half a K or more....Thats a big ask these days.
I haven't paid into a haslab and don't plan to unless they do a previously unproduced kenner-styled vehicle or playset. I think it would be more appealing if they put project options to a consumer vote (ex. 1/12 TIE Interceptor or 1/22 Bantha?) and include price drop as a final unlock on all projects. Just a thought.
They are doing too many of them. I'd almost say they should do smaller, cheaper ones more but that defeats the purpose and takes away from things that could be done at retail or as exclusives.
Yeah...except For the Gi Joe Classified series...it ➿ looks like the bloom is off the 🌹 rose! Especially when you consider that the Ghost is still technically not to scale!
If you haven't realized it, basically none of the SW's vehicles have been true to scale, except maybe speeder bikes & land speeders & other small to medium sized vehicles.
For me...Quality Control is a big one. The issues with Star Saber were unacceptable. And how do you end the second Classified chopper without actually sending out the H.I.S.S. so we can decide on the quality...etc. Sure if you have to have the figures, it's hard to get them wrong, but IDK, that's just me.
I don't know if they are losing their luster, I think there are a lot of people who want to wait and see. I think the Ghost may still fund everything with 16 days left. I'm not sure about the Cat's Layer but it has 27 days left. The unfortunate thing for me is I don't collect either line. NECA has somehow managed to get me to collect Usagi and Last Ronin, but the toon line does nothing for me. When I was a kid I moved to a rural area at the time the Turtles cartoon came out, I missed it. If they did 2003 or 2010 they might get me. I can say if they do a Gargoyles Playset, I'm in trouble.
Haslabs has made poor quality products in their expensive crowdfunding business and that is a disappointment for a billion-dollar company. I won't mind paying a lot if the end result is worth it. Take the '89 Batwing and Batmobile made by JazzInc Dioramas for example. Both were priced over a thousand bucks each but these got crowdfunded in less than a week, I could have done the pre-orders had I known about the company prior June 2023. Adam Savage showed his '89 Batwing in his UA-cam channel and it was exquisite down to the details. I've never craved for the '89 Batman vehicles like this before.
"Dream project" is one of the stupidest terms and ideas toy collectors have ever latched onto. Who gets to decide what is a dream project to begin with? You? Me? Some other random stranger on the internet? I'd argue that HasLabs or any other crowdfunding campaign should be used for any product that doesn't garner big box retail support. A perfect example would be a campaign for the full 1990-1994 Guardians of the Galaxy team with space Ghost Rider. HasLab is a tool that should be used to maximize the amount of product brought to market.
I think, to ask a question another way, are collectors who like highly detailed and playable toys decreasing? And if so, why? I consider myself one of them, and I personally think that there are way too many choices out there. In the past, (5 years ago, for example), only a few toys would cost over $400. Now, you have anywhere from Robosen (1K+) to Haslab to Bandai DX Soul of Chogokin to Blitzway Voltron..... can't buy them all!
If I can find classifieds in the wild, or order them without having to buy some dumb membership, or pay a scalpers up charge I’m getting it, unfortunately for gi joe classified this has not been the case. Worst marketing for a product in the history of the world.
People only have so much money and so much space for a particular hobby. I would argue toy companies are now “killing the golden goose” with multiple high dollar crowd funding projects.
I'm kinda meh on the TMNT play set cause it looks like something that can easily be 3D printed. Really. I have two shelves of 3D printed Autobot and Decepticon bases with the Decepticon tower, space bridge, Teletran one with detailed walls and floors. I would be all over playset that can be printed off like that Turtle Lair! It would be fun.
I was really disappointed with the price and lack of good stretch goals for the rancor. I was ready to buy two and it probably would have made others buy two if hey had released the haslab during book of boba Fett and not waaaaay before.
I disagree. If the Haslab was really good it would get more support. The barge was something we never saw before. The hiss tank was really good quality. Has labs should be things we never had before. Like the Cobra Transport helicopter or that vehicle from issues 5 and 6. Or a bespin play set.
I understand the Classified projects, as it seems that line of figures is really popular right now. Star Wars stuff seems saturated… really it comes down to the choices Haslab decides to put out. And recently they aren’t so great or something Id drop money on.
I'm excited about ghost as although I started from original trilogy, rebels for me revived Star wars. Do I think it's worth this price? Definitely not. , Will I back it? Yes! Why? I love rebels and it's going to be unique. , Hashlab behaves like a top end clothing shop that the quality (mean what they offer not the literal quality of the product) is closer to lower end shop, but using their name to profit. I m constantly backing boardgames and some other stuff, and with hashlab I don't see you get the money back. I'm also owner of thunder tank and backed cats lair.. which although they also were expensive, but as you said cause the fan base is much lower, will not sell as much as a Rancor
After the thing is funded Hasbro gives it zero attention. Wish they provided better updates during production. More behind the scenes of how it’s made where their at in production. Stuff like that. Keep it alive while we wait. The Skystriker got funded we got like one update. Then a year later it started to ship. Then we got an unboxing. That is pretty lame.
It’s all true. My first crowdfunding thing I supported was this years Tomy 1/10th scale BTTF Delorean. It was $325 (including shipping) came with Einstein if you backed early… this was the first project I felt was worth it without the tiers. I am not fond of doing things this way. But I caved on this one
@@tydiriumhanger1320 there is the problem with all of these. We only have a few weeks to think about these and then they are gone. In the old days, I would see it in January and buy it at tax time. Now it’s all FOMO.
No at $850 in my currency, the ghost is definitely not worth the money even with all the figures included. Just too ridiculous. I did back the Skystriker and transformers victory saber and Deathsarus as they were more reasonable, value for money 💷.
@@tydiriumhanger1320 yes my friend, exactly especially not just overseas currency conversion, but taxes, shipping and etc, which contributes to being the item overpriced. As much as I wanted the Unicron it was too far gone for most of us as it was priced at $1000, but atleast the other two transformers VS and Dezarus was reasonable enough at $280. Even the Hiss tank I managed to scrap enough cash to fork out $550. But I had to forgo the dragonfly and ghost.. My bank account is currently recovering in a bacta tank.
Passed on Unicron. It's too big and the head didn't look right and the planet kibble made it look poorly designed. Went with the 3rd party version instead. I'm not into Star Wars toys anymore. I'd have to see some kickass vehicles from the original trilogy to get me fund anything Star Wars. i felt Star Saber could have been better but backed it. I hope Deathsaurus turns out better. And I backed the HISs tank and Dragonfly. Looking forward to more Joe and Cobra projects if they make the ones I really want. They need to stop adding tiers that slow down the crowdfunding. Pretty sure rhe Dragonfly would have unlocked all tiers sooner if Glenda wasn't offered.
Hey Mike, interesting topic. Might I ask in your opinion what would be a dream project. Personally I would love a Technodrome from Super7 a new Castle Grayskull from Mattel for Masterverse, hopefully it would be slightly bigger than the classics and simple because I missed out on the classics. Crowd funds seem to be a delicate topic, if you support a project because you see the value others will bash you or blame the consumer for the increase in prices. Myself when I love an IP I want to support it to help it be successful in turn i get more characters or maybe playsets and vehicle's. One thing that we need to understand is that it's a business, company's are not out to make friends they are in it to sell a product and you choose to support it or not. I believe we as adults can discern if it has value for you or not. A great example is the Neca sewer set, I love neca and I support there tmnt line but I'm going to pass on the set because I'm able to realize that it's way over priced it. I believe it should have been 125 to 150. I will still support there line going forward and I wouldn't bash the collectors who want it because value is in the eye of the beholder.
There are so many possibilities like the Tantive 4 blockade runner or Jawa Sandcrawler. Yes collectors are very opinionated and share those opinions without concern for others. That said I buy things that most others would not and I understand when other collectors spend crazy money on something I would not drop $100 on
Unicron was too much for too little. It REALLY put me off as I have bought most of the current CHUG TFs, including titan class. It seems Hasbro learnt their lesson by not alienating most of their fans by the smaller/cheaper Starsaber and Dezasaurus (both of which I bought). Mind you, Takara are also pricing themselves out of relevancy via their overpriced MP figures and their Takara Tomy Mall exclusive Titan class figures (such as Omega Sentinel going for around 300 dollars). Even 3P MP figures seem to be cheaper and better quality.
I am all for them seeing if something will sell before they make it. I'm NOT for them arbitrarily pricing these things when they own the license, so they are just paying for design and materials. These should be priced for retail. I'm talking directly to GI Joe Classified. The crowd funding is just to make sure if they make it , there is an audience to buy it. Make that HISS tank make sense to me. Subtract 100 for the figures, so that tank is worth $200? I guess its worth what you're willing to pay for it. Collectors need to start boycotting resellers with these huge mark ups. Companies need to re-issue figures after a year etc. Mindbender, Zartan, Major bludd, Serpentor ( sell it without the chariot or paint the chariot a stupid color since the other one was supposed to be an exclusive). I made a list of all the classified figures I am going to buy if they release them and at current pricing that came up to $1000 dollars. I'm sure other collections are going to buy them as well. Stan lee said, when we sell Spiderman #1 we get the cover price, that's it. So lets sell more issues. it ruined the investment banker market for comics, but everyone was able to get an issue of their favorite comic when it came out. Hasbro needs to drip a few old figures out every now and then. Not just as Tigerforce or python patrol. Lets be honest, that series Killed GI Joe Animated for the current audience at the time.
Hmmm...TroubleBubble, HISS Tank. TroubleBubble, H.I.SS. Tank...umm, no. I'm 1,000% more excited about my H.I.S.S. tank than any TroubleBubble, DoubleBubble, HubbaBubba...you name the bubble.
The marketing of classified from hasbro is insane!. They are hardly in retail and the plastic free boxes are terrible, I'm a inboxer and want to look at my figures!. When I ordered my crimson Bat opened up the cardboard coffin to find 2 tubes of gogurt!. And hasbro, a hooded Cobra Commander is 'problematic' and the name Snow Job is not?. Lmao!
I have to say I'm about done with hazlab. I caved on the hiss tank because of extra figures and it's cool. And I did Dragonfly...just to have Opposite the tanks. Helicoptirs can hover. But Not the sky stryker...too much for what it was and poor display. Galactus kinda hurt me. It's cool, but really made me think of spending so much money for such things that aren't all that great or worth it, really. A good slave leia..might sell me on something
Ghost should have been just $400 with just Hera. The price is just too high for something so niche and so HUGE and the price being so high is only going to make it even higher later. The price is at a point that completely locks out a huge amount of Rebal and SW collectors, it's way too much. If Ghost is your dream item you should really get it now, but not because of the figures, but because it most likely will never be made again in your lifetime. So you can make your budget work, or you have to make the hard choices between the dozens of crowdfunds going on at any one time. Too much $$$ Too niche.
Reseller idea is killing the market. All these Haslab are mainline store items. The Barge was literally a marketing attraction. Missed opportunity. In Canada we still have Toys R US and the US is getting TRS back slowly. I find a lot of this is new Millennial Gen and Gen Z falling for this business model.
I never did a Haslab or crowd fund because I buy toys with my disposable income and don’t spend bill money on them it’s just not logical to me . Furthermore too many companies are trying to cash in on the hobby at the same time so they will cancel themselves out for that limited dollar not to mention all the new preorders dropping for the regular toys .
@@tydiriumhanger1320 I don't mean that in a rude way. I mean it in a way of the collectors are making it to where it has to be exclusive because they're putting money into it so normal people that are not die hard collectors miss out. At the end of the day and as a child of the 80's I never had to support a toy company to make toys. I have some figures hanging up on my wall but I'm not going to the extreme and support a toy company who by all means and purposes can't get the project done without the collectors help. And yes I understand people will put their money and resources and time together to make something happen and I'm for that. But exclusives and collector items for toys come on ppl🤷🏿♂️. And then turn around to go buy the same shit you can't find in the store on eBay... So how much of an exclusive and or collector item is it going to be at the end 😞
The Ghost was such a mistake - there is SO much more money to be had in older Star Wars fans, but we're getting so disenfranchised that we won't want to invest in the brand anymore if they keep this crap up. Should have been a Death Star, Ewok Village or Imperial Shuttle to actually celebrate and honor ROTJ40, but no - they throw it all at a subpar piece of entertainment that most casual fans haven't even seen. The show is going to tank IMO as well as the Filoni movie.
If hasbro would just do a monthly 12 payment for th Ghost of $45 non refundable if change mind months later I would back it in a heart Beat but giving any major company 100% $500 payment upfront a year or more in advance not going to happen
I’m really excited about the ghost. I know it’s overpriced but it’s the only chance I’ll get to have it. I’m hoping it’s going to be easy to install lights.
What is the ghost?. LOL. I fell away From star wars after the last two movies. Don't care about it much period.. Still like The original stuff but didn't get into Mandalorian and other new stuff Just because of that Sour taste that was in my mouth From those ren and Finn movies
Haslab sucks because their designers and marketing folk aren’t in tune with their base! So much of what they produce are Disney IP and you see how well Disney is doing right? The cliff is within eyeshot!
This type of stuff used to be big store exclusives but customers would wait to pick it up until the retailers were forced to put it on clearance. When a retailer puts an item on clearance that means they are just trying to get it off shelves even if it is losing them money. With Toys R Us now closed, the other major retailers don't think it is worth the risk so they won't order this from Hasbro. I can understand people wanting to get stuff on sale but if a type of product goes on sale too much both the manufacturers and the retailers aren't going to make/sell it anymore. They aren't running a charity.
I am glad I have missed out on them and I am not interested in them and they are a lot of money it’s doesn’t worth a lot of money for a toy and hasbro are talking a lot of money for toys which I find it stupid and ridiculous like not worth buying so expensive toys even how good they are still not worth it in my opinion
i beleive just gi joe classified crowd fund.haslab works cause its actual "needed" taoys and iconic.. the tmnt lair and starwars just seem like cash grabs
You are right the skystriker at retail would have been a hit. Even at $125 it would have worked.
Technically you can say that all funded HasLabs would have been successful at retail. This is the point of HasLab; if Hasbro is not sure that enough people will want a product at full price they make it a HasLab so that it is all or nothing. If a product is not going to be profitable for them then they aren't going to bother making it.
@@patricklove7055I don't think so. Can you imagine 100000 $500 unicrons at retail. It would have destroyed the company.
All the sales they could have had and by now! They would have 2 more color variations out and an endless money making venture but nope
Repaint them as Transformers and sell them to those who collect that line too. @@tydiriumhanger1320
That’s the whole point though. HASLAB was created to avoid the bargain shoppers. Hasbro knows people will wait for retail to put it on sale, and Wal-Mart won’t carry them anymore. Therefore Hasbro is happy with this made to order model, and the fans are sort of happy.
If they want to fund the expensive ships and play sets. Set up payment plans. It takes a year plus to get anyways. If they do that they might sell more because it doesn’t sound as expensive then. Looks less pricey than one big lump sum.
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Excitement for the Ghost is much higher than Jabba’s Barge’s total campaign and there’s still 16 days left.
I went in on the Haslab Unicron because I knew something like that in that scale would not fly at retail. Also because of the niche aspect of it.
But I can see the Skystriker being a straw on the camel’s back. What was it for backing, $230? Even with inflation, I’d have to check, but seems really high for what basically is a replica of the original toy from the 80s.
I backed the Cats lair and it will probably be my last backing project. Having seen it in person now and just the sheer ridiculousness of it is a novelty. Plus Thundercats is a semi dormant IP. Aside from Super7’s efforts. It’s not something you’re going to see on retail store shelves.
But, I don’t see it making it to its full unlocked tiers. I thought it would’ve budged some more after Power Con. But it’s still sitting over 3200 and some change. It still has less than a month to the deadline. I just think price and space is a major factor with this one.
Hasbro in hindsight with its other crowdfunding campaigns got a good dose of hubris thinking their customers would eat up whatever they slopped out. Some of those projects were not the best subjects to pick. Johnny Blaze Ghostrider with the motorcycle would’ve sold over the car. Reva’s light saber with a character that is not liked obviously didn’t sell. She’s a villain not a hero. They’re not thinking about who their audience really is and what they’ll spend their money on.
What "they" (toy companies) haven't considered is that most crowd funds are being bought/considered by the same audience. At this point, after many years of multiple crowd funds, more so than the money is the limited space issue. All toy collectors are running out of display space and due to that fact are becoming more selective in what they buy.
All Gi joe Classified HASLABs are 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I backed the Hiss and Dragonfly and I’m not planning on getting a trouble bubble, I Want the big Vehicles
More big vehicles like Snow Cat and Rattler
Those would be cool but $300 cool maybe
They should’ve released a ATAT or a Death Star possibly a republic gunship or even a echo base.That’s the thing I like dioramas or background for my characters to display they have some but I feel like if you had echo or the Death Star some people just might like
True there are so many possibilities like the Tantive 4 blockade runner or Jawa Sandcrawler
@@tydiriumhanger1320 yes maybe the stuff some people like me didn’t grow up with.I’m all about backgrounds.We can see action figures everywhere but backgrounds should be sold more at a reasonable price and worth what it comes with
@@PopCultureAnticSS All those things already exist. The Sky Striker has proven that a non pre-existing Haslab does so much better. Although, that is only one example.
@@holonet1 oh no don’t get me wrong not dismissing the originals I would much rather have the originals but let’s face it they’re still going to remake toys so if that’s the route I’d rather have a very detailed at at Walker than a lightsaber a ghost rider car from the past.Cant stop them but some of us old timers can still appreciate a good looking atat^_^Im still trying to find cybertron buildings for dioramas.That would be neat but let’s just agree talking toys is fun!
I'm definitely tired of the crowd funded projects. That's why I look forward to things like MOTU Origins which has become really fun to collect.
Man Hasbro/lab should include better teirs and go all out with the producuts . You can get 3rd party companies that produce better quality items for those gigantic prices
i know it's been a years since we ordered that tank but I'm still really excited for it and can't wait to pair with my fire team.
That galacticus figure was highway robbery. Man for the price it should've included a voicebox and the fantastic four that Dr doom head was not needed
The Ghost here in Australia is listed at Au$999 ! That's easily most of a weeks net (post tax) salary for a young professional. I managed to get the Barge for under that via the mere 400 they listed on eBay, however I'm an older OT fan from the Kenner days, so the Ghost is NOT a must have for me & simply a bridge too far price wise.
I saw a retailer sell the sky striker but it had only the two pilots,
What we really need to crowd fund is the Blaster Master vehicle from the Nintendo Power foldout from back in the 80s. It was in the November/December 1988 Nintendo Power.
Without all 4 figures, the Ghost just isnt worth 500. I actually question if it's worth it even with all 4. I'd like to see some lights, electronics, motorized drop gate maybe. I've been out since day one on it.
Value is relative but if it were an ewok Village with 7 trees and 15 play features for the same price and unlocks were new ewoks would that be worth it?n e
Yes, value is relative for sure. We each see that differently. There's probably more demand for an Ewok set, honestly, now that you mention it. The playability factor is a big one. Only so much you can do with a gargantuan ship, kids probably couldn't even move it around and at 500 are mostly priced out. Part of the reason I mentioned what I did about it would be to increase the playability of the ship.
@joshogborn5963 I agree, while most may think electronics & firing missiles are gimmicky & childish, I absolutely love it when the BMF's ramp comes down & the lights turn on! Also, the engines lighting up & igniting. Also, the BAT-AT's sound affects. I really like the chin guns! Yeah, TVC 2.0 vehicles look incredible, but lack fun play features. Although, not an electronic feature, I love the opening doors on the LAAT's too.
I don't back Haslabs simply because I just want the figures. I just wanted the Hiss Tank Driver and Wild Bill, but I'm not dropping that kind of cash for 2 figures. Another issue is when they make core characters exclusives.....good times.
Good points for some of these situations. Smaller items can be better. Like imagining if the Mico Galaxy Star Wars line of vehicles were 3 3/4" scale instead of 1" scale figures. I think the line is doing generally well in a smaller, more affordable in price and space to store scale.
As Space becomes an bigger issue many collectors will pass on bigger items for the smaller ones
People should thank the stars for Haslab resellers. Without them, we'd probably not reach the stretch goals, and the aftermarket prices would be insane. It's not like there's limited product they're gobbling up--each additional order wills more into existence. I missed out on the Razorcrest, so I'm quite glad to know I can still buy one new and also pay my mortgage.
True I am considering getting a second cats lair for that reason
I was able to help out a fellow collector out at work recently with an extra Razor Crest. So I always try to pick up extras when I can to make sure projects I’m interested in gets funded.
@@tydiriumhanger1320, I am still on the fence about the Cats Lair. I have the Thundertank and most of the figures. However, I don’t know where to display that set.
I don't think it's loosing its luster its just we fans want better products. Take the unicron figure its going for at a minimum triple its original price.
I think you make some really good points (especially about the trouble bubble) but I do think if the COLLECTOR wants a bigger vehicle, then we will have to go through has lab for the hasbro products. cuz I don't think target or walmart will buy them anymore.
but what do I know 🙂
for me it's just these $200 to $400 orders that are coming out every month to the point I'm questioning my sanity, between McFarlane and Hasbro I'm leaving myself very little wiggle room each month if any at all! it's like McFarlane and Hasbro doesn't know most people don't make $75,000 a year and can't afford 5 or 6 $20 to $50 purchases every week!
I have only bought three haslabs so far. I did back the engine of vengeance even though I was not happy with the price. The only one I've received as yet was Galactus. The day he came in I made a day of it. I put a watcher in the window of my front porch to keep watch. I got my nephews to help me open it. I can't wait for the hiss tank to come in.
I wish I had ordered 10 Unicrons. But at the time, spending $6500 was questionable.
Unicron barely made it bast the finish line but needed an extra 2 months. There was so much hate and negativity during the campaign for Unicron and now so so much regret LOL
Disney doesn't like Slave Leia.
True they make it hard for collectors to get what we want
I havent backed anything sense Eternia. It use to be a special day when a crowdfund arrived. Now, I sometimes FORGET I even backed some projects cause of no updates, and to much time passes. Same with the edorphine rush. I feel it heavy once a project succeeds and I'm charged. After awhile, it fades. My tastes change, interests change...you know as I do, it can happen quick.
Waiting 1 to 2 years, and tie up half a K or more....Thats a big ask these days.
the ghost is nearly double the price of the razor crest. not hard to see what´s the problem
It is bigger but yes not that much bigger to justify the price
Apparently math is relative as well. The Razor Crest was $349.99. $499.99 is no where near double that. Even metaphorically, you're stretching it.
I have to pay 595 Euro in germany@@holonet1
I haven't paid into a haslab and don't plan to unless they do a previously unproduced kenner-styled vehicle or playset. I think it would be more appealing if they put project options to a consumer vote (ex. 1/12 TIE Interceptor or 1/22 Bantha?) and include price drop as a final unlock on all projects. Just a thought.
Ive skipped most of the haslab except Unicron and Deathsaurus.
They are doing too many of them. I'd almost say they should do smaller, cheaper ones more but that defeats the purpose and takes away from things that could be done at retail or as exclusives.
Haslab does not need to be 3 a year but something special every couple years
Yeah...except For the Gi Joe Classified series...it ➿ looks like the bloom is off the 🌹 rose! Especially when you consider that the Ghost is still technically not to scale!
Yep they will never quite hit the proper scale for Star Wars and if they did it would be just HUGE
If you haven't realized it, basically none of the SW's vehicles have been true to scale, except maybe speeder bikes & land speeders & other small to medium sized vehicles.
@@holonet1 Yeah....that's what Tydirium said.
For me...Quality Control is a big one. The issues with Star Saber were unacceptable. And how do you end the second Classified chopper without actually sending out the H.I.S.S. so we can decide on the quality...etc. Sure if you have to have the figures, it's hard to get them wrong, but IDK, that's just me.
Great vid!! I almost didn't fund the Cat's Lair but I did at the end. I think it will be my last CrowdFund. I'm burnt.
Yep all these projects wear on us and then the space to display
I don't know if they are losing their luster, I think there are a lot of people who want to wait and see. I think the Ghost may still fund everything with 16 days left. I'm not sure about the Cat's Layer but it has 27 days left. The unfortunate thing for me is I don't collect either line. NECA has somehow managed to get me to collect Usagi and Last Ronin, but the toon line does nothing for me. When I was a kid I moved to a rural area at the time the Turtles cartoon came out, I missed it. If they did 2003 or 2010 they might get me. I can say if they do a Gargoyles Playset, I'm in trouble.
Yep if people are waiting to see if it hits all unlocks then that is proof it is not worth the asking price
Haslabs has made poor quality products in their expensive crowdfunding business and that is a disappointment for a billion-dollar company. I won't mind paying a lot if the end result is worth it. Take the '89 Batwing and Batmobile made by JazzInc Dioramas for example. Both were priced over a thousand bucks each but these got crowdfunded in less than a week, I could have done the pre-orders had I known about the company prior June 2023. Adam Savage showed his '89 Batwing in his UA-cam channel and it was exquisite down to the details. I've never craved for the '89 Batman vehicles like this before.
I do have to check that batwing out and collectors will pay for the products we really want
haslabs should be dream projects only! if they are just regular items do pre-orders
They will learn that hopefully. Will be interesting to see how the preorder Jabba palace goes
"Dream project" is one of the stupidest terms and ideas toy collectors have ever latched onto. Who gets to decide what is a dream project to begin with? You? Me? Some other random stranger on the internet? I'd argue that HasLabs or any other crowdfunding campaign should be used for any product that doesn't garner big box retail support. A perfect example would be a campaign for the full 1990-1994 Guardians of the Galaxy team with space Ghost Rider. HasLab is a tool that should be used to maximize the amount of product brought to market.
I think, to ask a question another way, are collectors who like highly detailed and playable toys decreasing? And if so, why? I consider myself one of them, and I personally think that there are way too many choices out there. In the past, (5 years ago, for example), only a few toys would cost over $400. Now, you have anywhere from Robosen (1K+) to Haslab to Bandai DX Soul of Chogokin to Blitzway Voltron..... can't buy them all!
If I can find classifieds in the wild, or order them without having to buy some dumb membership, or pay a scalpers up charge I’m getting it, unfortunately for gi joe classified this has not been the case. Worst marketing for a product in the history of the world.
True it has been a mess since day one but seems like the new wave is easy to get on BBTS or in Targets from what I am seeing
Hope the Cats lair get all tiers ✨️😀
People only have so much money and so much space for a particular hobby. I would argue toy companies are now “killing the golden goose” with multiple high dollar crowd funding projects.
I'm kinda meh on the TMNT play set cause it looks like something that can easily be 3D printed. Really. I have two shelves of 3D printed Autobot and Decepticon bases with the Decepticon tower, space bridge, Teletran one with detailed walls and floors. I would be all over playset that can be printed off like that Turtle Lair! It would be fun.
Well, The Ghost surpassed its 17,000 goal! Never underestimate the TVC fans. I guess it’s desirable after all.
I was really disappointed with the price and lack of good stretch goals for the rancor. I was ready to buy two and it probably would have made others buy two if hey had released the haslab during book of boba Fett and not waaaaay before.
I disagree. If the Haslab was really good it would get more support. The barge was something we never saw before. The hiss tank was really good quality. Has labs should be things we never had before. Like the Cobra Transport helicopter or that vehicle from issues 5 and 6. Or a bespin play set.
I understand the Classified projects, as it seems that line of figures is really popular right now. Star Wars stuff seems saturated… really it comes down to the choices Haslab decides to put out. And recently they aren’t so great or something Id drop money on.
FYI The Ghost ended the 2nd best Haslab money maker.
I'm excited about ghost as although I started from original trilogy, rebels for me revived Star wars. Do I think it's worth this price? Definitely not. , Will I back it? Yes! Why? I love rebels and it's going to be unique. , Hashlab behaves like a top end clothing shop that the quality (mean what they offer not the literal quality of the product) is closer to lower end shop, but using their name to profit. I m constantly backing boardgames and some other stuff, and with hashlab I don't see you get the money back. I'm also owner of thunder tank and backed cats lair.. which although they also were expensive, but as you said cause the fan base is much lower, will not sell as much as a Rancor
After the thing is funded Hasbro gives it zero attention. Wish they provided better updates during production. More behind the scenes of how it’s made where their at in production. Stuff like that. Keep it alive while we wait. The Skystriker got funded we got like one update. Then a year later it started to ship. Then we got an unboxing. That is pretty lame.
Yep it feels like a wham bam thank you Ma'am moment
Yeah, I think the only one with regular updates was the barge.
@@holonet1 I did not back unicron but I found some videos for the making of at some point. They should do stuff like that for all Haslabs.
It’s all true.
My first crowdfunding thing I supported was this years Tomy 1/10th scale BTTF Delorean. It was $325 (including shipping) came with Einstein if you backed early… this was the first project I felt was worth it without the tiers.
I am not fond of doing things this way. But I caved on this one
That does look awesome and Now that you mention it I should have gone in on that one but I was juggling so many other things
@@tydiriumhanger1320 there is the problem with all of these. We only have a few weeks to think about these and then they are gone. In the old days, I would see it in January and buy it at tax time. Now it’s all FOMO.
No at $850 in my currency, the ghost is definitely not worth the money even with all the figures included. Just too ridiculous. I did back the Skystriker and transformers victory saber and Deathsarus as they were more reasonable, value for money 💷.
International buyers always get the short end of the stick on Haslab even if they have other Hasbro pulse in other countries
@@tydiriumhanger1320 yes my friend, exactly especially not just overseas currency conversion, but taxes, shipping and etc, which contributes to being the item overpriced. As much as I wanted the Unicron it was too far gone for most of us as it was priced at $1000, but atleast the other two transformers VS and Dezarus was reasonable enough at $280. Even the Hiss tank I managed to scrap enough cash to fork out $550. But I had to forgo the dragonfly and ghost.. My bank account is currently recovering in a bacta tank.
Fatigue for sure. Pricing for the base offerings does not make sense.
Passed on Unicron. It's too big and the head didn't look right and the planet kibble made it look poorly designed. Went with the 3rd party version instead. I'm not into Star Wars toys anymore. I'd have to see some kickass vehicles from the original trilogy to get me fund anything Star Wars. i felt Star Saber could have been better but backed it. I hope Deathsaurus turns out better. And I backed the HISs tank and Dragonfly. Looking forward to more Joe and Cobra projects if they make the ones I really want. They need to stop adding tiers that slow down the crowdfunding. Pretty sure rhe Dragonfly would have unlocked all tiers sooner if Glenda wasn't offered.
you are right specially haslab project are not necessary this could be made an sale it. it just they are playing greedy.
Hey Mike, interesting topic. Might I ask in your opinion what would be a dream project. Personally I would love a Technodrome from Super7 a new Castle Grayskull from Mattel for Masterverse, hopefully it would be slightly bigger than the classics and simple because I missed out on the classics. Crowd funds seem to be a delicate topic, if you support a project because you see the value others will bash you or blame the consumer for the increase in prices. Myself when I love an IP I want to support it to help it be successful in turn i get more characters or maybe playsets and vehicle's. One thing that we need to understand is that it's a business, company's are not out to make friends they are in it to sell a product and you choose to support it or not. I believe we as adults can discern if it has value for you or not. A great example is the Neca sewer set, I love neca and I support there tmnt line but I'm going to pass on the set because I'm able to realize that it's way over priced it. I believe it should have been 125 to 150. I will still support there line going forward and I wouldn't bash the collectors who want it because value is in the eye of the beholder.
There are so many possibilities like the Tantive 4 blockade runner or Jawa Sandcrawler. Yes collectors are very opinionated and share those opinions without concern for others. That said I buy things that most others would not and I understand when other collectors spend crazy money on something I would not drop $100 on
Yeah the Technodrome would kick ass, and also I want a G.I.JOE CLASSIFIED Terrordrome
They are just getting way too expensive for what you get.
True less for more $$$$
Wanted the ghost but its too much to not included a stand/the whole crew
With Disney doing their best to kill the Star Wars franchise, that is not helping either.
Unicron was too much for too little. It REALLY put me off as I have bought most of the current CHUG TFs, including titan class. It seems Hasbro learnt their lesson by not alienating most of their fans by the smaller/cheaper Starsaber and Dezasaurus (both of which I bought).
Mind you, Takara are also pricing themselves out of relevancy via their overpriced MP figures and their Takara Tomy Mall exclusive Titan class figures (such as Omega Sentinel going for around 300 dollars). Even 3P MP figures seem to be cheaper and better quality.
I am all for them seeing if something will sell before they make it. I'm NOT for them arbitrarily pricing these things when they own the license, so they are just paying for design and materials. These should be priced for retail. I'm talking directly to GI Joe Classified. The crowd funding is just to make sure if they make it , there is an audience to buy it. Make that HISS tank make sense to me. Subtract 100 for the figures, so that tank is worth $200? I guess its worth what you're willing to pay for it.
Collectors need to start boycotting resellers with these huge mark ups. Companies need to re-issue figures after a year etc. Mindbender, Zartan, Major bludd, Serpentor ( sell it without the chariot or paint the chariot a stupid color since the other one was supposed to be an exclusive). I made a list of all the classified figures I am going to buy if they release them and at current pricing that came up to $1000 dollars. I'm sure other collections are going to buy them as well.
Stan lee said, when we sell Spiderman #1 we get the cover price, that's it. So lets sell more issues. it ruined the investment banker market for comics, but everyone was able to get an issue of their favorite comic when it came out. Hasbro needs to drip a few old figures out every now and then. Not just as Tigerforce or python patrol. Lets be honest, that series Killed GI Joe Animated for the current audience at the time.
Hmmm...TroubleBubble, HISS Tank. TroubleBubble, H.I.SS. Tank...umm, no. I'm 1,000% more excited about my H.I.S.S. tank than any TroubleBubble, DoubleBubble, HubbaBubba...you name the bubble.
The marketing of classified from hasbro is insane!. They are hardly in retail and the plastic free boxes are terrible, I'm a inboxer and want to look at my figures!. When I ordered my crimson Bat opened up the cardboard coffin to find 2 tubes of gogurt!. And hasbro, a hooded Cobra Commander is 'problematic' and the name Snow Job is not?. Lmao!
yes it is
I have to say I'm about done with hazlab. I caved on the hiss tank because of extra figures and it's cool. And I did Dragonfly...just to have Opposite the tanks. Helicoptirs can hover. But Not the sky stryker...too much for what it was and poor display. Galactus kinda hurt me. It's cool, but really made me think of spending so much money for such things that aren't all that great or worth it, really. A good slave leia..might sell me on something
Yep after a while we seem to get tired of these projects and it wears on the community. Slave Leia would have sold the Rancor
Ghost should have been just $400 with just Hera. The price is just too high for something so niche and so HUGE and the price being so high is only going to make it even higher later. The price is at a point that completely locks out a huge amount of Rebal and SW collectors, it's way too much. If Ghost is your dream item you should really get it now, but not because of the figures, but because it most likely will never be made again in your lifetime. So you can make your budget work, or you have to make the hard choices between the dozens of crowdfunds going on at any one time. Too much $$$ Too niche.
Reseller idea is killing the market. All these Haslab are mainline store items. The Barge was literally a marketing attraction. Missed opportunity. In Canada we still have Toys R US and the US is getting TRS back slowly.
I find a lot of this is new Millennial Gen and Gen Z falling for this business model.
If they only did one true dream project per year it would be different but 7 crowdfunds a year do not feel special
@@tydiriumhanger1320 100% concur 👍.
I never did a Haslab or crowd fund because I buy toys with my disposable income and don’t spend bill money on them it’s just not logical to me . Furthermore too many companies are trying to cash in on the hobby at the same time so they will cancel themselves out for that limited dollar not to mention all the new preorders dropping for the regular toys .
Yep they are all taking market share from each other and eventually the market will not longer sustain them all
I cut my toy purchases in half this year can’t afford the toys I really want and the hobby ain’t fun no more @@tydiriumhanger1320
More reason why third-party companies are more reasonable than Haslab.
I blame the collectors...🤷🏿♂️
Yep if we did not buy all these projects then they would not make them but it is a double edged sword
@@tydiriumhanger1320 I don't mean that in a rude way. I mean it in a way of the collectors are making it to where it has to be exclusive because they're putting money into it so normal people that are not die hard collectors miss out. At the end of the day and as a child of the 80's I never had to support a toy company to make toys. I have some figures hanging up on my wall but I'm not going to the extreme and support a toy company who by all means and purposes can't get the project done without the collectors help. And yes I understand people will put their money and resources and time together to make something happen and I'm for that. But exclusives and collector items for toys come on ppl🤷🏿♂️. And then turn around to go buy the same shit you can't find in the store on eBay... So how much of an exclusive and or collector item is it going to be at the end 😞
The Ghost was such a mistake - there is SO much more money to be had in older Star Wars fans, but we're getting so disenfranchised that we won't want to invest in the brand anymore if they keep this crap up. Should have been a Death Star, Ewok Village or Imperial Shuttle to actually celebrate and honor ROTJ40, but no - they throw it all at a subpar piece of entertainment that most casual fans haven't even seen. The show is going to tank IMO as well as the Filoni movie.
Totally wanted the Rancor but the unlocks sucked
thats why giantt man haslab is coming if going to fail.
If hasbro would just do a monthly 12 payment for th Ghost of $45 non refundable if change mind months later I would back it in a heart Beat but giving any major company 100% $500 payment upfront a year or more in advance not going to happen
Reselling for double is SCUMY! They buy everything awesome up, then hold it hostage for a ransom. BS.
You can’t “buy up” something that’s made to order
I’m really excited about the ghost. I know it’s overpriced but it’s the only chance I’ll get to have it. I’m hoping it’s going to be easy to install lights.
Hasn't Ramentoys released a Ghost for far less?
@@primalconvoy not the engine of engines for ghost rider. The Rebels Ghost from Star Wars.
☝🏽😂FOR $1,000 YOU CAN HAVE A REAL FLYING GO CART W/OUT A PILOT'S LICENSE TO FLY🤔 😂
People are keeping their money to buy Fanstoys figures
Sadly, there are always simps who will pay top dollar for the name brand. To them, if it's not Hasbro or Mattel, it's not a toy...
True there are the official only collectors and that can be limiting
What is the ghost?. LOL. I fell away From star wars after the last two movies. Don't care about it much period.. Still like The original stuff but didn't get into Mandalorian and other new stuff Just because of that Sour taste that was in my mouth From those ren and Finn movies
Star wars Rebels ship and now in the Ahsoka show that starts tomorrow
Haslab sucks because their designers and marketing folk aren’t in tune with their base! So much of what they produce are Disney IP and you see how well Disney is doing right? The cliff is within eyeshot!
True Disney seems to be struggling lately and those IPs are suffering
Easy they pick stuff that should be in stores! & price of stuff
This type of stuff used to be big store exclusives but customers would wait to pick it up until the retailers were forced to put it on clearance. When a retailer puts an item on clearance that means they are just trying to get it off shelves even if it is losing them money. With Toys R Us now closed, the other major retailers don't think it is worth the risk so they won't order this from Hasbro. I can understand people wanting to get stuff on sale but if a type of product goes on sale too much both the manufacturers and the retailers aren't going to make/sell it anymore. They aren't running a charity.
True the really big dream items should be haslab but the smaller stuff should be made available at retail
I am glad I have missed out on them and I am not interested in them and they are a lot of money it’s doesn’t worth a lot of money for a toy and hasbro are talking a lot of money for toys which I find it stupid and ridiculous like not worth buying so expensive toys even how good they are still not worth it in my opinion
I have passed on many projects and feel good about it with no fomo
A lot of these projects are not worth the money.
True and the smaller ones that look cheaper would be way cheaper at retail
i beleive just gi joe classified crowd fund.haslab works cause its actual "needed" taoys and iconic.. the tmnt lair and starwars just seem like cash grabs
Some of the Joe vehicles are just too big for retail I do understand