Greenland, the Soviets and the A330-800neo - The Fascinating Story of Air Greenland

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  • Опубліковано 2 жов 2024

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  • @disco1974ever
    @disco1974ever 2 місяці тому +3

    Subbed purely out of fascination for the novel use of headroom in your camera framing

  • @ixorafy
    @ixorafy Місяць тому

    I've been living in Greenland for almost a year now. My experience with Air Greenland was the best given the Arctic weather outside. You can always find an exceptional warmth among the Greenlandic people as well as anyone who lives in the increasingly international city of Nuuk.

  • @brimopm
    @brimopm 3 місяці тому +24

    I fly an A330 over Greenland multiple times a month and never even knew they had their own airline, let alone a -800neo.

  • @TheAslakVind
    @TheAslakVind 3 місяці тому +1

    Interesting video. Air Greenland also operates the only 2 dedicated SAR helicopters, EC-225 Super Puma, in Greenland.

  • @stickynorth
    @stickynorth 3 місяці тому +6

    Great video. As a Canadian aviation geek, it's always fun to see what's going on next door and in the case of Greenland it's more than next door, we're the island's ancestral home for the 85% of the citizens of the nation and obviously physically the closest neighbour. It's very cool to see that despite the challenges of the last few years the future of the air carrier and the nation is brighter than ever especially with the expansion and opening of several airports around the nation that will really open up the tourism market should other operators or even the AG itself expand its fleet.
    I'd suggest purchasing A220's since they have the shortest takeoff profile of any jet capable of medium range distances... 6300 km+ on the 100-135 seat 100 model and 125-155 seats with 6700 km range for the 300's which have become the new go-to jet for most entry-level routes that don't require HUGE long-range planes... Much the same way 737 MAX's at Icelandair are replacing the 757's that used to fill their fleet. Might as well since both have business models based as much around tourism and mid-atlantic hub connections than domestic service for its own people...

    • @flaps1019
      @flaps1019  3 місяці тому +1

      Thanks for watching and very true - I didn't appreciate the connection between Canada and Greenland until recently. And would be awesome to see Air Greenland pick up the A220 - although I could only see it on the Iceland route, or if they resumed nonstop service to Iqaluit, as the flights to Europe really need more cargo capacity

    • @michaelosgood9876
      @michaelosgood9876 2 місяці тому +1

      Infrastructure in Greenland is a major problem when it comes to increasing tourism numbers, and the airline is aware of that. There just aren't the hotels, accommodations to sustain too larger increase in tourism numbers

    • @pendlechild7516
      @pendlechild7516 Місяць тому

      @@flaps1019of interest perhaps, Air Greenland now has a once per week flight from Nuuk to Iqaluit. (Since July 2024)

    • @julianneheindorf5757
      @julianneheindorf5757 26 днів тому

      @@michaelosgood9876 you are correct, currently we are not able to manage a huge increase in tourism numbers, but new accommodation is being built all the time and just within the last few years we have seen several new hotels, B & Bs, and other types of accommodation catering to tourists go up.

  • @corentinmouchel3825
    @corentinmouchel3825 3 місяці тому +8

    Great video !
    You should try to frame your camera a little lower to be more centered ! It feels like you're trying to escape the frame it's funny !

  • @julianneheindorf5757
    @julianneheindorf5757 26 днів тому +1

    That is a very accurate retelling of Air Greenland’s story. Well done. 😊👍
    Yes, our three long existing runways in Thule, Kangerlussuaq and Narsarsuaq were all built as American airbases. Kangerlussuaq was known as Blue West Eight and later acquired the name Sonder Storm Airbase. Narsarsuaq was known as Blue West One. Both were constructed during WWII, as Canadians and Americans both feared Nazi Germany would occupy the West Coast of Greenland leaving the back door to the rest of North America wide open. From Nuuk it only takes one hour and 45 minutes to fly to Canada. The Germans actually landed tiny contingents of soldiers and meteorologists on the East Coast of Greenland so the threat was very real.
    Narsarsuaq was abandoned as an airbase not long after the end of WWII, but due to the Cold War American operations in Thule were seriously ramped up. During the late 1960s the Americans had B-52 bombers with nukes on the runway in Thule and upwards of 12000 soldiers on the base.
    Before the 1950s the only way to travel to Greenland was by ship from Copenhagen. A deal was struck between the Americans and the Danes to create a civilian area in Kangerlussuaq that would facilitate travel for trans Atlantic flights and flights for the local population.
    Before WWII Greenland was a closed country. You couldn’t just travel here. You had to have special permission from the Danish government who greatly feared outside non-Danish influence on the local population. During the war Denmark lost all contact with Greenland, and the Danish ambassador in the US used Greenland as a pawn in his efforts to secure support for his own embassy and Danish embassies in other parts of the world not occupied by German forces.
    Besides the three bases, the Americans interacted freely with the local population in other places in Greenland, who thus learned of a much bigger world out there. After the war, people in Greenland demanded more openness and more autonomy to decide their own futures. However, this autonomy wasn’t realized until the formation of the Home Rule government in 1979.
    Denmark was forced to change the status of Greenland, partly by the UN who demanded that countries around the world free their colonies or incorporate them as equal parts of their main societies. Greenland is one of the few places in the world where the local population has achieved autonomy without the use of war, bloodshed or murder.
    In 1953, the Danish Constitution was amended to include Greenland as a full part of the Danish realm and people in Greenland as Danish citizens.
    Catalinas started flying in the early 1960s, but a few spectacular crashes with serious loss of life and other issues rendered them unusable. One reason is our choppy waters.
    By the mid-1960s Air Greenland had their first Sikorsky S-61N helicopters. SAS flew a DC8 between Copenhagen and Kangerlussuaq. I made my first trip on that route at the age of nine in 1966. Later SAS used other more modern air craft.
    The helicopters were a step up with regards to travel, but there were limitations. They didn’t fly passengers in bad weather and the limited number of people and cargo were a hindrance. Delays were not counted in minutes or hours, but in days.
    In the 1990s, an American friend got stuck in Aasiaat for two days due to bad weather. She told me that people there showed more magnanimity waiting for two days than most Americans would have shown waiting for an hour at airport in the US.
    But delays and cancellations are a part of life here, especially in our rougher seasons such as spring, fall and winter.
    The strong sturdy S61-N helicopters, which didn’t need a lot of space for landing and take off, ferried people and goods around the country until Air Greenland sold the last one in 2020. Unlike other airlines around the world, Air Greenland is an important partner in SAR and medivac operations. More than once, passengers have been stranded or dumped because a helicopter was needed for an emergency SAR operation or medical transport. They were also used for charter operations and tourist flights. I’ve flown numerous times on them as a passenger, as well as on the Bell 212. Flying in a helicopter is a vastly different experience than in a fixed wing aircraft. Many of us, who had the experience of being passengers onboard a S-61N helicopter have very fond memories of these choppers. To us, this is what a real chopper looks like.
    Well aware of the many hazards of flying in a harsh environment such as ours, Air Greenland has always maintained the highest safety levels from maintenance to flying. We have been blessed with very few fatalities, involving helicopters and none involving the DASHes, although there have been a few close calls. Pilots and crew are well trained, and while they more than likely fly by the seat of their pants at times, I have never heard of a reckless pilot.
    Air Greenland still operates a number of newer helicopters, as they are essential to passenger transport in small and remote areas, and also for SAR and medivac operations. Newer, smaller helicopters are more cost effective and fuel efficient.
    In the late 1970s the first short runways were built, especially designed for the STOL aircraft such as the Canadian De Havilland DASH 7. Nuuk, as the capital city, got the first runway.
    The DASH 7 revolutionized our air travel. More than twice as fast, more than twice the number of passengers and cargo, and able to fly in almost all kinds of weather, these incredible workhorses connected people within Greenland and with the outside world in a whole new way. The growth of Nuuk from about 5000 people in 1979 to nearly 20000 people today is in a large part due to our runway. The DASH 7 was eventually replaced by the newer, smaller, but faster and more efficient DASH 8.
    A new exciting phase for both Air Greenland and for the community in Greenland is the current construction of three new runways. Two runways of 2200 meters in Nuuk and Ilulissat, and a 1500 meter runway in Qaqortoq. This will facilitate direct air travel by jet between Nuuk, Ilulissat and the rest of the world. Kangerlussuaq will not be abandoned. It’s strategic value is too great, as well as functioning as an alternative runway for the jets.
    The first flights out of Nuuk with the jet is planned for the 28th. of November 2024. Already there are plans ready for next year that promise new destinations in Denmark direct from Nuuk, as well as direct flights to Iqaluit, Canada and Reykjavik, Iceland.
    The runway in Ilulissat is a year behind schedule and won’t open until next year in 2025 or 26. It is anticipated, that this new jet service will increase the number of passengers as well increase and better facilitate the transport of air cargo. Some of us are hoping that air lifted fresh veggies will decrease in price with faster service and higher loads. 😊

  • @JOHNRUSSELL-v7g
    @JOHNRUSSELL-v7g 3 місяці тому

    thanks for such an interesting video, amazing how thr Greenlanders survice the artic weather

  • @smokingndc5224
    @smokingndc5224 3 місяці тому +8

    What a great history lesson Peter. Great production too. Well done!

  • @tfl-larsm24
    @tfl-larsm24 2 місяці тому +3

    Unfortunately, it has been a long time since I flew Grønlandsfly and Glace, but the SAS DC-8 flights between Copenhagen and Bluie West 8 (Kangerlussuaq) were very memorable. Some 30 min after take-off, the plane's interior was totally rearranged, nearly everybody knowing all the others, only the tenderfoots looking frightened at the transformation. Seen a film about flying in Siberia, this was much the same. Have some 10 h in S-61, at least in HAB/HAF/HAG & HAO, mostly between Kangerlussuaq-Marmorilik but also Narsassuaq-Qaqortoq, Bell 212/214 (the 212 - an ol' Vietnam chopper from Qassianguit to Marmorilik, and the Marmorilik Jetranger doing core analyses up on the ice.
    The most frightening one was a Dash-7 Narsassuaq-Nuuk flight 1986 home from Narsassuaq to Nuuk, totally clouded when the plane suddenly veered steeply to the right at full power. On the left of the runway we had the city mountain "Lille Malene", guess we got to close. The most fun one was an S-61 trip from Narssasuaq to Qaqortoq, the chopper banking into a steep turn, the captain screaming, "wales, wales, a big pod on the right side", then circling the pod, asking for our excuse for the abrupt turn, then he did a left circle for us on the left side. Unfortunately, the glass was dirty and scratched, so no photos.
    Once I, a sales man and the 212 female pilot and her mec where alone in a hotel in Qaqortoq, she told us she had once passed to low over a local sheep farm and the farmer shot at them. When landing, one of the rotors had a nice bullet hole. Another pilot I got weather-stuck with had flown out to a Sirius military patrol cabin to load some stuff into a 10-foot container. When arriving, there was no container, so he took of looking for it, it was some 500 m out on the winter Ice around a small point, an ice bear trying to get in.
    Regarding the US people getting annoyed by delays, with 8 of my main flights, I tallied a total of 3 weeks wait for get moving. The longest delay was one week. You do not fly in a landscape similar to Rocky Mountains without zero VFR; therefore Air Greenland has one of the best security records through climate, clouds, storms, and icing conditions.

  • @Jonniboi-di7qu
    @Jonniboi-di7qu Місяць тому +1

    a little sidenote , Narsarsuaq Airport was build in 1941, by the americans, and was called bluie west 1

  • @نادرالیراحمان
    @نادرالیراحمان 3 місяці тому +2

    Great informative video about a small airline few would bother researching. But one thing I got to point out is the Airbus 330-800neo was also probably a better choice because of it is near identical in terms of crew licensing/training to it's Airbus 330-200 predecessor compared to the Dreamliner.

  • @yerapotatoharry
    @yerapotatoharry 3 місяці тому

    nice one! the Nuuk air port is getting a new, longer runway. I'm excited to see how this changes travel to Greenland, though BGSF might fall by the wayside which will sadly affect the community there

    • @julianneheindorf5757
      @julianneheindorf5757 26 днів тому

      No, Kangerlussuaq will not be abandoned. It’s strategic importance is too great. The Danish Air Force has already established a presence there, and Air Greenland recently announced that two flights a week will land in Kangerlussuaq to take on and drop of passengers on its way from Nuuk to Copenhagen and back.

  • @fluke5173
    @fluke5173 3 місяці тому

    Nice vid!

  • @schalitz1
    @schalitz1 3 місяці тому +2

    I think they should get a 737 or A320, to give the US market another go. I think Boston would be the perfect destination for them, as landing slots are cheaper than NYC, and it has far more connection options than Baltimore (Both Delta and JetBlue have hubs here). I may be a little biased though as I live near Boston 😊.

    • @stickynorth
      @stickynorth 3 місяці тому +2

      I agree but with the A220-100 or 300... 6300/6700 km range and can take off from the 5000'-5500' sized runways which are very short by global standards but still rare in the nation itself... Plus more space for passengers... Heck even Nuuk doesn't have more than 3000' runway at the moment though the expansion to nearly 7000' is supposed to finish this year...

    • @schalitz1
      @schalitz1 3 місяці тому

      @@stickynorth True, probably even the E2s could easily make it to Boston as it's only about a 4 hour flight.

  • @danielberlin5968
    @danielberlin5968 3 місяці тому +1

    Who woulda thunk that was the origin of aviation in Greenland

  • @hiltonwatkins6750
    @hiltonwatkins6750 2 місяці тому

    Good management is the key to success. Boeing needs to be looking international for management… hhh. We have to be in favor of globalism when we see how success is worn on the emerging nations with eager people and new solutions to business problems…. Viva more business and growth in all the small companies doing well in the world…! We need to stop subsidizing the big Corporations that come back and turn their muscle on the government that helped them become big bullies… Vote blue! 😂😊

  • @jackfrost9433
    @jackfrost9433 2 місяці тому

    Wow, you certainly slaughtered the place name pronunciations - Nuuk, Iqaluit, etc.

  • @GCT-Ts
    @GCT-Ts Місяць тому +1

    What why is communist logo in the thumbnail we are not commies

  • @HubertHubert-gq9wh
    @HubertHubert-gq9wh 3 місяці тому +2

    When you show the a330 800 neo operator it only shows three but there is a fourth airline Garuda Indonesia that going have but not sure when is it going to deliver

  • @turiboi08
    @turiboi08 3 місяці тому +1

    Please make more airline history like this! It's so interesting!

  • @michaelosgood9876
    @michaelosgood9876 2 місяці тому +1

    Hi. I flew Copenhagen to Kangerlussuaq on their brand new A330 800neo. My new favorite aircraft.. Worthy of mention is the current Nuuk runway expansion to take the A330, hence their decision to opt for this aircraft. Runway being extended from around 1500m to around 2200m i believe

    • @julianneheindorf5757
      @julianneheindorf5757 26 днів тому

      Yes, the old runway was 950 meters. The new one which will officially be open for business by the end of November 2024 is 2200 meters long.

  • @Moey_Bort3
    @Moey_Bort3 3 місяці тому

    Only 38 comments? Ill fix that:)

  • @coffeemusic1
    @coffeemusic1 3 місяці тому

    I was in the Air Force supporting Thule airbase, got to fly air Greenland many times. We even were very social with the CEO because he married a woman from Quebec. Almost 20 yrs ago.

    • @flaps1019
      @flaps1019  2 місяці тому

      @@coffeemusic1 Wow! Thanks for sharing, I’m sure it was a super tight knit group up there

  • @hansssnet
    @hansssnet 3 місяці тому +1

    Very well made video! Earned a sub!

  • @mirzaahmed6589
    @mirzaahmed6589 3 місяці тому

    2006-08 wasn't exactly a boom time. People were talking about a coming recession as early as late 2006, and by the summer of 2007, the economy was noticeably in decline.

  • @celebrityrog
    @celebrityrog 3 місяці тому

    Nah, I see Greenland and think, "What a bunch of ice. No one lives there." - Said no one ever.

    • @julianneheindorf5757
      @julianneheindorf5757 26 днів тому

      My sister works for the Bank of Greenland. Many years ago while in the exchange department she had to make a transfer of money to a bank in England. But the woman at the bank in England refused to accept her call as a legitimate call from a fellow banker. She was convinced it was a scam call telling my sister that “no one lives here, it’s all just ice” and she had seen that on a map herself. 😂 However, we are nearly 57,000 souls here who beg to differ.
      My sister had to go through a bank in Denmark in order to transfer the money to the bank in England. 😂

  • @WTG20233
    @WTG20233 3 місяці тому

    I have been to kangerlussaq and Illulisat incredible place air greenland are not cheap though 😂

  • @donaldknowles9640
    @donaldknowles9640 3 місяці тому +1

    Peter
    Great research done with this video
    Love your content

    • @flaps1019
      @flaps1019  3 місяці тому +1

      Thank you Donald, glad you enjoyed it! 😃

  • @GLACIESFIRE
    @GLACIESFIRE 3 місяці тому

    Hi from MCO as well! So happy to have found an aviation channel literally next door!

  • @9999AWC
    @9999AWC 2 місяці тому

    Happy to have seen Air Greenland's A330-200 in Fort McMurray weeks before it was retired. Such a unique livery! Got a video of it taking off posted.

  • @David-kh3xp
    @David-kh3xp 3 місяці тому

    This video popped up.....................love it! Subscribed!

  • @lfaverby
    @lfaverby 3 місяці тому

    and then they have decided to invest in an A320N

  • @gunvaldsandhaland7757
    @gunvaldsandhaland7757 3 місяці тому

    I Love The Livery.Great Video And Info

  • @erik_griswold
    @erik_griswold 3 місяці тому

    Grønlandsfly is pronounced “Gron-lands-flu”

    • @PiccadillyAvenue
      @PiccadillyAvenue Місяць тому

      It's pronounced Groenlandsflü (if you know the German umlaut - close to 'flew')

  • @CPS747-8
    @CPS747-8 3 місяці тому

    I only know aboht this airline because of "The Secret Life of Walter Mitty". It was a great movie and I know they showed Air Greenland as part of it. It was such a cool scene.

    • @flaps1019
      @flaps1019  3 місяці тому

      No way - will have to check that out!!

  • @Aehnen_Kohben
    @Aehnen_Kohben 3 місяці тому

    I first saw air Greenland in Ibiza. Probably around 2008. Not sure what an GL 757 was doing in the Balearics but there you go.

    • @Aehnen_Kohben
      @Aehnen_Kohben 3 місяці тому +1

      Having just looked into it, seems that MyTravel Lite leased it around 2008-2009.

  • @DouglasDC10.30
    @DouglasDC10.30 3 місяці тому

    I have known about this airline since 2018, and their planes are painted red so they can be easily seen in snow.
    Also, I love both their liveries!

  • @KeithApp
    @KeithApp 3 місяці тому

    Air Greenland should have made their planes bright green instead of red. The colour green is literally in their name. They are missing a trick right there 😀

    • @stickynorth
      @stickynorth 3 місяці тому +2

      Ye olde Viking marketing... Come to our new Green land... Even if only 0.001% of it where we live actually is... Aka the one valley on the island that has trees.. Flower Valley aka Narsarsuaq, the area around and across from Bluie West One aka UAK, the Southern Greenland air hub at least until next year...

  • @santinomamone2674
    @santinomamone2674 3 місяці тому

    Josh Cahill dose

  • @mahmoodsoleja9068
    @mahmoodsoleja9068 3 місяці тому

    Superb ! 🌟✈️

  • @jeffkiess
    @jeffkiess 2 місяці тому

    Well done, Peter! Love AG's livery!

  • @Lofievenings
    @Lofievenings 3 місяці тому

    Nook not nuke

    • @bernardkealey6449
      @bernardkealey6449 3 місяці тому

      Yeah that was Thule…

    • @julianneheindorf5757
      @julianneheindorf5757 26 днів тому

      No, the pronunciation is not Nook. That’s my American uncle’s nickname. 😂
      The actual pronunciation is something between nook and nuke. More like newck… Nuuk means peninsula or promontory in English.

  • @michaelknight_
    @michaelknight_ 3 місяці тому

    Great video

  • @josephcuriale2293
    @josephcuriale2293 3 місяці тому +1

    I appreciate the information, but get rid of the idiotic sound effects. I trust your viewers are not in kindergarten.