Not every little detail, it took Bulma and the Namekian ship roughly...aw man, I can't remember it was something like 16 or 24 days to retrofit the ship and get to Namek, a bit under less than a Month. Add in the six days it took Goku to reach the planet and you learn the Z-crew have been dead for almost a month.
I would imagine Tien would be really good with the Kaioken, considering how the Crane school tends to use more powerful moves that hurt themselves, like the Tri beam, so I would imagine he is more used to techniques like that.
Damon, here's an idea, what if Roshi and Shen tried to rebuild Mutatio's forces after King Piccolo's defeat, like the past did to defend the world against threats like Piccolo?
@@JunkHERO99 yeah, but I mean, at the beginning of the series, like they should've had many people training under roshi or shen, more people to train with, at the begiining of dragon ball probably would've led to tougher training.
What if Master Roshi and Shen remained friends? Note: Tao can still be a cyborg jerk that gets off on murdering people, but like... what if Shen and Roshi stayed friends, or at least 'respectful of eachother'? Viewing their differences as less irreconcilable and more 'we'll settle it in the ring and have fun doing it.' What changes with more collaborations between the crane and turtle hermits?
if Shen and Roshi stayed friends, or at least 'respectful of eachother'? Viewing their differences as less irreconcilable and more 'we'll settle it in the ring and have fun doing it.'
True, but you also have to remember that Piccolo's regeneration is very draining. He could only use it so many times before he's too exhausted to fight anymore.
Piccolo/nail fusion with Kaioken x10 would of been crazy in the frieza saga. He wouldn't beat final form frieza, but he'd rag doll every other form. It would of came in handy in the TOP too, his base is insane, hes just missing forms like the sayians have to be on their level. Idk why piccolo didn't learn it in Canon, if i were him and I saw it save Goku against Vegeta and i were in the place and with the person he learned it, that would be the first thing Id want to learn. It'd beat training just base in that time since you know where you're going you'll need every ounce of power you can muster. Add that with having potential unlocked frim guru. Since he's probably more durable in general, I bet he could get to higher levels more quickly while on namek. And the humans, well... they wouldn't become irrelevant by the time they all get back from Namek lol.
I don’t think final form Frieza would’ve had his way with Vegeta to the extent that he did had that happened. I think the odds of Dende surviving would’ve increased
That'd be too much of a stamina waste, ui is already far superior plus when he masters it he could definitely stack transformations on top of it since it's a technique. Ssg would be the safest transformation to stack it with since it's basically just base form + god ki.
Am i fan of making the other Z fighters more relevant - yep! Do i think the way to do it is by giving everyone Kaioken - Nope. I dont think Yamcha, Tien and Chaiotzu have the constitution to get the most out of the Kaioken technique. At best they should be able to activate the technique but not apply further multipliers to it. A better route would've been to give each of them an improvement relevant to them. - Yamcha should be able to use Kaioken during a burst Wolf Fang Fist attack, greatly increasing his ability to damage his opponents when combines both techniques. An improvement to the character without it being an overall powerup. - Chiaotzu should learn the Spirit Ball technique it fits his mystical nature, he should also learn how to be able to use this technique whilst completely masking his ki signature. This would make him have the threat level of an ICBM in a hidden silo, supremely destructive once launched but defenceless (tho hidden) otherwise. - Piccolo should've learnt and mastered the Kaioken technique to a greater degree than Goku by using his regeneration to mitigate the damage the technique inflicts on his body. Visually this would've played very well in the series as you could see the damage the technique inflicts on the body and not just tire the fighter out into a potentially lethal coma. - Tien being a prodigy similar to Goku should be able to learn both Spirit Ball and Kaioken techniques (although not to the great proficiency Chiaotzu and Piccolo can respectively). Instead he should've unlocked the ability to empower his multiform technique by degrees. - Krillin similar to Goku and Tien should learn both techniques but be limited in both same as Tien. However the fact Krillin has his potential unlocked should allow him to progress his overall fighting strength and make him more relevant to the Saiyans and Namekians in levels of power.
Yeah these are fun ideas, fun to speculate how they would use the skills diffrently, always was a bummer how they got benched, in DBS with god ki introduced it had potential to enable the cast to catch up but nope, Vegeta & Goku get it & thats all folks . ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ atleast we got some fun what-ifs with them now in sparking zero
Only real problem i have with this is from the start Piccolo shouldve been able to push Kaioken to at least ×5-10. This technique is perfect for the reincarnated demon king due to a Namekian being able to regenerate lost body parts almost instantly. The drawbacks of the Kaioken would have no effect on Piccolo who would be regenerating his muscles the entire time Kaioken is active.
What if Frieza was revive in end of z Story go. While z fighter went to tournament as go same Goku left to uub to training . Frieza army find dragon ball make a wishes to revive Frieza want revenge to kill Goku and Vegeta. Frieza training for 4 month New form is not Golden but 5 form like cooler
Uuuhhh, actually kaioken ×50 has a ×51 multiplier, & actually the power using kaioken is always 1× more then the amount of × kaioken used at once, so the multiplier for ×1 is ×2, ×2 is ×3, ×3 is times etc because if the kaioken multiplier would be the same number as the amount of × used at once, then kaioken ×1's multiplier would be ×1, which would be the same powerlevel as using no kaioken at all but still be slightly draining, so kaioken ×1 would be even more useless then super saiyan grade 3, someone told me that kaioken is just short for kaioken ×2, but in the saiyan saga goku did use kaioken ×1 (he said kaioken without the amount of times) against nappa & early on in the fight against vegeta he used (& said) kaioken ×2, so what he told me about kaioken just being kaioken ×2 in short is deffinetly incorrect, so thats why the multiplier is 1× higher then the amount of × kaioken used at once (unless there is something about kaioken ×1 having a idk, ×1.5 multiplier but if thats the case then unless someone tells me the actual multiplier of kaioken ×1, i don't know & think it is what i just told in this comment)
@@CodeOhtsutsuki uuuhhh no, someone else already told me how it works properly & this comment was made before i knew that, & i remember king kai saying something about not using any more then double or something like that, what was told to me was something like 2× or more being the same power multiplier as the kaioken multiplier & x1 being a 50% power increase / a 1.5× multiplier, which makes even more sense because if kaioken is automaticly x2, then saying "kaioken x2" is just a wasted extra second
This guy is so underrated. He gets every little detail, right down to Goten's hair being different because Goku is still alive
Facts
Not every little detail, it took Bulma and the Namekian ship roughly...aw man, I can't remember it was something like 16 or 24 days to retrofit the ship and get to Namek, a bit under less than a Month. Add in the six days it took Goku to reach the planet and you learn the Z-crew have been dead for almost a month.
I would imagine Tien would be really good with the Kaioken, considering how the Crane school tends to use more powerful moves that hurt themselves, like the Tri beam, so I would imagine he is more used to techniques like that.
Now that I think about it yeah he’d be the strongest human with kaioken and he’d have an easier time using it
Damon, here's an idea, what if Roshi and Shen tried to rebuild Mutatio's forces after King Piccolo's defeat, like the past did to defend the world against threats like Piccolo?
Like an army of z-fighter level martial arts? Cool!
@@chernan74 It would be like the flashback against King Piccolo's force when their teacher was still alive.
Tien actually did this in Super, he’s the master and owner of his own dojo with hundreds of students
@@JunkHERO99 yeah, but I mean, at the beginning of the series, like they should've had many people training under roshi or shen, more people to train with, at the begiining of dragon ball probably would've led to tougher training.
Krillin would still have his potential unlocked giving him a lag up.
What if Master Roshi and Shen remained friends?
Note: Tao can still be a cyborg jerk that gets off on murdering people, but like... what if Shen and Roshi stayed friends, or at least 'respectful of eachother'? Viewing their differences as less irreconcilable and more 'we'll settle it in the ring and have fun doing it.'
What changes with more collaborations between the crane and turtle hermits?
Roshi could fly
35:30 I don't think Beerus would have cared that Buu absorbed others, he would have simply hakai'ed Buu with everyone inside of him.
That was so good to see the old parts
if Shen and Roshi stayed friends, or at least 'respectful of eachother'? Viewing their differences as less irreconcilable and more 'we'll settle it in the ring and have fun doing it.'
Piccolo’s kaioken should be the best of everyone because he has amazing regenerative abilities
True, but you also have to remember that Piccolo's regeneration is very draining. He could only use it so many times before he's too exhausted to fight anymore.
@@LoveLiveSabu238 tha was in og db he fused with kami and nail giving him maybe X4 Regen low-ball
Piccolo/nail fusion with Kaioken x10 would of been crazy in the frieza saga. He wouldn't beat final form frieza, but he'd rag doll every other form. It would of came in handy in the TOP too, his base is insane, hes just missing forms like the sayians have to be on their level.
Idk why piccolo didn't learn it in Canon, if i were him and I saw it save Goku against Vegeta and i were in the place and with the person he learned it, that would be the first thing Id want to learn. It'd beat training just base in that time since you know where you're going you'll need every ounce of power you can muster. Add that with having potential unlocked frim guru. Since he's probably more durable in general, I bet he could get to higher levels more quickly while on namek.
And the humans, well... they wouldn't become irrelevant by the time they all get back from Namek lol.
I don’t think final form Frieza would’ve had his way with Vegeta to the extent that he did had that happened. I think the odds of Dende surviving would’ve increased
37:48 love that drawing of Goku lmaooo
It would be really good on piccolo considering namekians have busted regeneration
Love these videos man. Happy to see your channel growing!
Will Vegeta be able to stack Evolution and Kaioken to higher levels of Blue?
Yes
this is my favorite series tbh way to go👍
Piccolo actually would be perfect for kaioken because if he loses a limb he can regenerate
He can also regenerate mental+ physical damage
I’m surprised that Piccolo and the humans didn’t get taught the kaio-ken or spirit bomb while being dead
42:11 ah yes, my favorite saiyans, yamcha and tien.
💀 bruhh
Been wondering when a what if where they used the time would run out would be like. It’s nice to have Yamcha there too
FINALLY YAMCHA HAS A CHANCE
This was such a good series
36:35
DESUEX-BEERUS-NA
Just found this channel, you’re goated out
Bruh the Snapchat alerts 😂😂
What If Goku Was Actualy Smart And Knew (He Would Try to Get Gohan To SS2 Or Tried SSGSS2)
That'd be too much of a stamina waste, ui is already far superior plus when he masters it he could definitely stack transformations on top of it since it's a technique. Ssg would be the safest transformation to stack it with since it's basically just base form + god ki.
@@gonzaloandroid6428 kioken + ui = power
@@Glitch-lk6sh death to the user
@@albertscott4599 but he will be a monster while alive
@@z0wl437 ssgss2 would only be twice as strong as normal blue and the Kaio-ken and evolution variations are wayy stronger.
Hi... I got a suggestion...."what if broly saw frieza kill paragus"
Or "what if goku abused zenkai boosts and senzu beans"
Broly kills frieza for the first one
Frieza would be dead again, Broly would not hold back in any way.
that might be good for when we actually see frieza again in canon (which we know we will, he's around somewhere and said he'll be back) so maybe then
Few decades later : Bulla using kaioken 100x easily.
Underated
I still want to know the name of the song playing during the end credits (at the end of most of your vids). 💃
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Yes, naturally it's a kaioken bargain sell.
That chioatzu (I know the name is wrong) render with kaioken is *CURSED*
Chiaotzu*
👌
This is my favorite what if universe wish they still learned the metamorin fusion
Ah yes. The Dokkan card arts 😭😭
Bro I got a what if in mind
What if the Androids we're re programmed
Am i fan of making the other Z fighters more relevant - yep! Do i think the way to do it is by giving everyone Kaioken - Nope.
I dont think Yamcha, Tien and Chaiotzu have the constitution to get the most out of the Kaioken technique. At best they should be able to activate the technique but not apply further multipliers to it.
A better route would've been to give each of them an improvement relevant to them.
- Yamcha should be able to use Kaioken during a burst Wolf Fang Fist attack, greatly increasing his ability to damage his opponents when combines both techniques. An improvement to the character without it being an overall powerup.
- Chiaotzu should learn the Spirit Ball technique it fits his mystical nature, he should also learn how to be able to use this technique whilst completely masking his ki signature. This would make him have the threat level of an ICBM in a hidden silo, supremely destructive once launched but defenceless (tho hidden) otherwise.
- Piccolo should've learnt and mastered the Kaioken technique to a greater degree than Goku by using his regeneration to mitigate the damage the technique inflicts on his body. Visually this would've played very well in the series as you could see the damage the technique inflicts on the body and not just tire the fighter out into a potentially lethal coma.
- Tien being a prodigy similar to Goku should be able to learn both Spirit Ball and Kaioken techniques (although not to the great proficiency Chiaotzu and Piccolo can respectively). Instead he should've unlocked the ability to empower his multiform technique by degrees.
- Krillin similar to Goku and Tien should learn both techniques but be limited in both same as Tien. However the fact Krillin has his potential unlocked should allow him to progress his overall fighting strength and make him more relevant to the Saiyans and Namekians in levels of power.
Yeah these are fun ideas, fun to speculate how they would use the skills diffrently,
always was a bummer how they got benched,
in DBS with god ki introduced it had potential to enable the cast to catch up but nope,
Vegeta & Goku get it & thats all folks . ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ atleast we got some fun what-ifs with them now in sparking zero
I know, he didn't teach it to Tenshinhan, Piccolo, Yamcha, and Chioutzu. I mean really, and the Spirit Bomb, too.
Only real problem i have with this is from the start Piccolo shouldve been able to push Kaioken to at least ×5-10. This technique is perfect for the reincarnated demon king due to a Namekian being able to regenerate lost body parts almost instantly. The drawbacks of the Kaioken would have no effect on Piccolo who would be regenerating his muscles the entire time Kaioken is active.
I guess Guru's village stays dead. 😔
Higher level of kaioken are unreasonable
Can you pls do what if foku became an android
@Love the demon wolf nah, foku
@Love the demon wolf what? I'm confused, I've never heard of that before, I was just making a "captain obvious" joke
@Love the demon wolf yes
piccolo would be perfect kaio-ken user since he is like the guy who meditates all the time, so he has to be very calm, and focused
Outro song on top fr💯
I think you watch dragon ball z abridged since in that one Mr polo just said byyyyyyeee when lame fused with piccolo
0:46 DAWG how did u know that??
What if Frieza was revive in end of z
Story go. While z fighter went to tournament as go same Goku left to uub to training . Frieza army find dragon ball make a wishes to revive Frieza want revenge to kill Goku and Vegeta. Frieza training for 4 month New form is not Golden but 5 form like cooler
(talking about canon dragon ball z) how was goten born when goku was ded and it was clearly goku's kid since he had the biggest resemblence
He maybe had the kid during the days waiting for cell
What if goku had a twin sister
Thats a good idea i wanted to say something like that but with a twin brother but a sister would be more interesting.
@@Divyanshu5555 I mean you could check out salad saiyans what if “ what if bardock and gine survived”
@@kennyvincent7171 I meant had a twin brother or sister and they went to earth together.
nice C:
Please do your mcu series already
how long are you going to make me wait?
I thought you were gonna use my thumbnail?
Blue 4 would be cool
not to nitpick or anything cuz the video is fire but,,, idk about granpa gohan turning him super saiyan considering babba gave the two closure
like i said tho video is fire
What About Future Bulma Is She Still Alive?
31:53 lmao
Hey Damon you do realize that Super saiyan blue evolution is just Super saiyan God Super saiyan grade 2
Not really it’s just mostly bulky and equal to blue kaiokenx20
Old comment but nah, SSJBE is just SSJB2.
If fat buu was already somewhat good absorbing Goku and other good z-fighters I feel would make him good
Actually Piccolo could do up to 10 with no problems
Geros boys would know they had kaioken
What if Godzilla jr from heisei era was in dragon ball universe and gain zenkais
1:07:04 blue tooth
0:41 What do you mean Goku highest Maximum Kaioken is Kaioken x20
That was when he was on king Kai planet goku achieved x20 by training kaioken on his way to namek
Didnt goku get his heart virus from yardrat, which he didnt go to in this timeline
No
The Heart Virus was an epidemic on Earth in Future Trunks timeline. That means it's an Earth virus not a space one.
24:13 ok what kid buu is stupid he doesn't even know how to absorb and first of all he shouldn't even manage that since goku is way stronger
Nice
Am i late or am i first?
But how can Goku turn super sayian? Because Piccolo beats 3rd Frieza
It would be better if don't change the future of trunks
Piccolo can regenerate so he go max
And the trunks would not be strong enough to kill the Androids in the pods
Uuuhhh, actually kaioken ×50 has a ×51 multiplier, & actually the power using kaioken is always 1× more then the amount of × kaioken used at once, so the multiplier for ×1 is ×2, ×2 is ×3, ×3 is times etc because if the kaioken multiplier would be the same number as the amount of × used at once, then kaioken ×1's multiplier would be ×1, which would be the same powerlevel as using no kaioken at all but still be slightly draining, so kaioken ×1 would be even more useless then super saiyan grade 3, someone told me that kaioken is just short for kaioken ×2, but in the saiyan saga goku did use kaioken ×1 (he said kaioken without the amount of times) against nappa & early on in the fight against vegeta he used (& said) kaioken ×2, so what he told me about kaioken just being kaioken ×2 in short is deffinetly incorrect, so thats why the multiplier is 1× higher then the amount of × kaioken used at once (unless there is something about kaioken ×1 having a idk, ×1.5 multiplier but if thats the case then unless someone tells me the actual multiplier of kaioken ×1, i don't know & think it is what i just told in this comment)
Kaioken is automatically x2, Goku only said “Kaioken times 2” once and it was during the end of the Saiyan saga
@@CodeOhtsutsuki uuuhhh no, someone else already told me how it works properly & this comment was made before i knew that, & i remember king kai saying something about not using any more then double or something like that, what was told to me was something like 2× or more being the same power multiplier as the kaioken multiplier & x1 being a 50% power increase / a 1.5× multiplier, which makes even more sense because if kaioken is automaticly x2, then saying "kaioken x2" is just a wasted extra second
Idk how u guys watch these without manga art n dialogue. These pictures n a voice ain’t it for me I tried lol oh well
it woulda been useless lets be real