@ the_ corvid in the alpharios novels there is a slaan that explain that wile he is imune to chaos his serventes were not that is why he created the cabal an organization created to fight chaos but funny enough they believed that the only way to destroy chaos is by making Horus win because chaos is a self destructive force wideout an enemy to destroy they will destroy themselves and stop existing that is way the chaos gods secretly don't want to end the great game because who would rule a pile of ashes
They've 'fixed' it many times, don't expect it to last. Such a shame, I absolutely love all the dialogue even though I've heard most of it hundreds of times, but I always get a bit disappointed when it either breaks and the 2nd character just doesn't reply, or get interrupted by some dumb callout or ability being used.
The chaos spawns should have all been altered based on which God's realm you're in. GW already have unique spawns for each god, Tzeentch Spawn, Nurgle Spawn, Khorne Spawns, etc.
Thank you for the early content Indy. I've noticed how you play with the spear&shield with handmaiden. For crowd clearing it would be better to chain : Charged, light, charged, Block&Push(No attack). Repeat. And for dealing with elites you should : Block&Push attack, charged, charged(or light depending on the speed you need). I know you didn't ask for my friendly advice, but i'm sharing regardless. Have fun !
Best practice is to only fire quick-charge shots. You get five quick-charge shots, or four full-charge shots. Full charge shots only increase the aoe, not the damage. If you use barrage (which I also think is best), spacing out shots near the end of the proc timing maximizes the bleed damage. Also, on handmaiden and sott, taking the 15% power talent allows you to quick-charge one-shot every elite and special, even on cata (sans cws obvs). On legend you can quick-fire one-shot many elites and all specials. I take bonus power to monsters and armor. The bonus to monsters is obviously nice for monster fights, but also helps hit that quickfire bodyshot breakpoint on packmasters in legend. It one-shot bodies armor elites with proper bonuses to power in talents and properties, even in cata. The only time it doesn’t is bestigors, cws, and berserkers in cata. A quick shot in legend takes care of all elites and specials except berserkers, bestigors, cws, and flag-bearers in legend. Quick-charge kills all except cws in legend, and loses the bestigor, cw, and berserker breakpoints. You need a quick charge + quick shot for besties and berserkers. Also, flag-bearer needs two quick-charges.
Vaul's anvil sounds amazing, but it also sounds like the best way to screw with muscle memory and something so ingrained in your mind. I wonder, does it work when it comes to GK with a shield against a warpfire thrower? What about shields in general and ratlings as well?
they should really spawn like two trolls or two rat ogres together at times on certain maps or something people can take on two trolls because they're' tough but they're slow and can be knocked down it would be cool to finally fight two mini bosses together, they haven't done that yet.
If ever Fatshark stops supporting V2 and one day comes out with Vermintide 3, since it's set in the (Bad) End Times would you still want it to be in the Old World or in Age of Sigmar? If in Age of Sigmar, would you want the Ubersreik 5 to still headline it or would prefer a new cast and setting like Ulfenkarn the Cursed City with the 8 heroes to choose from?
@@brendanclark1058 The burn is meh, so non-stop burn is a weak choice imo. The strong burn or volcanic will do better. And yes, it's great on Unchained cause you can actually make enemies stand in your flames and add your ult burn on top.
It's been hard finding full groups for this free DLC. Fat Shark should probably incentivize players with dailies and weeklys for this new content. Same for Winds of Magic content not that I think anyone would play it regardless...
Moonfire and Starfire are both Wood Elf weapons. But yeah as I say in the video, it looks and plays more like a Sister of Avelorn weapon than it does an Asrai weapon
@@milkandcookiesTW Regarding the lore, I recall the Creative Consultant pointing out on the subreddit that this Moonfire bow is separate from the Moonfire arrows used by Asrai. The way he explained it seemed like this bow is bassically a gift from Lileath and a new invention that didn't exist yet in Warhammer lore. It does have a rather confusing name though, considering the aforementioned Moonfire arrows. www.reddit.com/r/Vermintide/comments/mq5501/new_weapons_detailed_separate_599_dlc/gugvtwl/
I'm having some trouble with a guide I'm reading online. He explains some types of shots it takes to kill certain types of enemies. But I can't understand what he means with all the shots. Quick arrow being a single left click and Charged arrow being holding right until it's fully charged then pressing left click. I understand this much. But when I read on about the Moonfire Bow he goes into: quick fire arrow and quick charged arrow. What do these mean?
Everything looks pretty sick. I’m a little worried the chaos god modifiers might get a little annoying pretty quickly. How long would you say a full run takes assuming you make it all the way through?
All though worst on waystalker since she will gimp all of her ammo buffs and abilities making her kind of a half character. This was pretty much introduced to the handmaiden based on her struggling ammunition tendencies.
Hey MilkandcookiesTW! Great vid, but curious how do you get your video's codec to be the highest so you don't get grainy footage? I've tried uploading at 4k even though I record at 1080p and I'm told that should fix it, but I still get the lowest codec, at least for a while.
Are these new weapons for ALL missions or just for Chaos Wastes? Realise that might sound like a stupid question but with it being a Free-LC I wondered if there were any caveats to the new equipment
Chaos wastes? it's 4-6 (can't remember RN) maps with no save points. I'd give a single expedition roughly 90-120 min depending on how good/fast/efficient you are, the difficulty you play and (slightly) what enemy spawns you get. Whilst you can't save, you can take a break between maps by having everyone not vote.
No, quickfire does half the dot damage, but you only really gain one extra shot. It’s better to use quick-charge and space it to refresh barrage stacks. You allow the bow to gain some charge between shots when doing that too, which drastically increases overall dps because you’re not waiting on charge downtime.
definitely not useless. Good vs. Stormvermin, good vs. Bestigors. Not amazing vs. Chaos Warriors, but can penetrate their armor with headshots or crits, and the burn DOT can hurt them pretty bad
in the contrary, if it's dot damage as if it were a poison of sorts, wouldn't that ignore armor no matter what? although not sure how it differs from the hagbane bown
It one-shot bodies armor elites with proper bonuses to power in talents and properties, even in cata. The only time it doesn’t is bestigors, cws, and berserkers in cata. A quick shot in legend takes care of all elites and specials except berserkers, bestigors, cws, and flag-bearers in legend. Quick-charge kills all except cws in legend, and loses the bestigor, cw, and berserker breakpoints. You need a quick charge + quick shot for besties and berserkers. Also, flag-bearer needs two quick-charges.
you dont need to unlock anything for this game mode anyway, because all your progression is tied to each singular run, so there's no grinding. Each Expedition you build your character how you want to build them. What would you rather the reward be?
@@milkandcookiesTW It feels weird to not have a reward tied to the game mode itself. They could follow the Hades route where you start with upgraded weapons or with a game mode specific upgrade but with no reward I'm afraid interest would die out rather quickly.
@@rebel8707 Yes. I love getting Emp vaults for the chance of new reds. I have over 400 hours in this game and the rewards is part of the reason I keep playing is the rewards.
1HP/3sec is among the most busted things you can get. On a tank class you basically can't be weared down, ironbreaker with is is straight up immortal. (also ranger with 15hp on ammo is near immortal too).
Bothers me that its just Nurgle's troops copied and pasted into each of the different area's, But hey- You cant have everything i suppose. Brilliant game with juuuust that single downside.
Check the client. When u click play on steam and the client opens you will see settings at the top. Click on it and see if its not a worker thread issue. I had the same, had low fps cause i had the wrong amount of worker threads.
With the Griphon foot being a great horde weapon, Trollhammer being super strong burst, and Shield&Spear for Markus having great survivability, I'd not say Kerillian got all the love here. Moonfire is great for handmaiden, but less so for shade, and inferior to waystalker longbow.
i dont think so. Moonfire is definitely a big buff to Handmaiden because of her ammo troubles, and Trollhammer has some bugged interactions. but overall these weapons seem to be in an okay spot in terms of balance
Both have pros and cons, I think that's neat. Can't mag/quiverdump a patrol, monster or horde with the Moonfire, and similarly the Hagbane (waystalker aside, but I don't think the new bow will be good on her anyway) cannot be used on chaff/less important targets due to ammo scarcity, unlike the Moonfire bow.
@@Shotgunkjell Another channel that had early access claimed that the ammo replenishment talent on WS actually affects the new bow too. So it may not be her most ideal weapon, but we’ll have to see if there’s a decent build around it in the future
@@brendanclark1058 I guess so, if nothing else using it would free up her level 30 talent, because lets face it, everyone with a brain runs Kurnous' Reward
you didnt watch the gameplay, and apparently also dont know how combat in Vermintide works. its not a game where you just run around with your ranged weapon out the whole time, its still focused more on melee. But I killed 3 bosses and like 10 specials with it IN THE INTRO OF THE VIDEO lmao. Dont be a dumbass, I used it a bunch
![[Updated] Melee Weapon Tier List - Kerillian](/img/n.gif)
Moonfire Bow Discussion begins at 4:18. And there's a super cool looking Beastmen event at 9:32. Enjoy!
I have been thinking can chaos corrupt lizardman because i think it might be posible because i know in 40k it happened
Do you play with viewers
@@chosenofkhorne2951 When did that happen in 40k? Considering how Lizardmen in fantasy are pretty much biological robots, it is unlikely.
@ the_ corvid in the alpharios novels there is a slaan that explain that wile he is imune to chaos his serventes were not that is why he created the cabal an organization created to fight chaos but funny enough they believed that the only way to destroy chaos is by making Horus win because chaos is a self destructive force wideout an enemy to destroy they will destroy themselves and stop existing that is way the chaos gods secretly don't want to end the great game because who would rule a pile of ashes
Any thoughts on why they made a moonfire bow instead of a starfire one? According to your lore breakdown it sounds like a straight up mistake
I'm so glad that they finally fixed hero dialogue, so many cool new lines! Makes the characters feel alot more dynamic
KERILLIAN! ABOUT THAT SOUJOURN TO CASTLE DRACHENFELS!
They fixed it?
@@lagoonman427 nah, it's placebo
They've 'fixed' it many times, don't expect it to last. Such a shame, I absolutely love all the dialogue even though I've heard most of it hundreds of times, but I always get a bit disappointed when it either breaks and the 2nd character just doesn't reply, or get interrupted by some dumb callout or ability being used.
I wish, also I hope we get Warrior Priest Salty.
Its always bothered me that the slayer dosnt have a base passive against monsters
so this is what a Sister of Averlorn FPS would look like
Seems like this DLC was exactly what this game needed. It looks great.
The chaos spawns should have all been altered based on which God's realm you're in. GW already have unique spawns for each god, Tzeentch Spawn, Nurgle Spawn, Khorne Spawns, etc.
Thank you for the early content Indy. I've noticed how you play with the spear&shield with handmaiden. For crowd clearing it would be better to chain : Charged, light, charged, Block&Push(No attack). Repeat. And for dealing with elites you should : Block&Push attack, charged, charged(or light depending on the speed you need). I know you didn't ask for my friendly advice, but i'm sharing regardless. Have fun !
"Look at that DoT!" Hears Minigun on cyclic in background . . .
Thank you for more Kerillian action! The Moonfire bow was fantastic!
Ah the moon fire bow that is strong against the order factions ...
So freaking excited to play handmaiden with this bow
Best practice is to only fire quick-charge shots. You get five quick-charge shots, or four full-charge shots. Full charge shots only increase the aoe, not the damage. If you use barrage (which I also think is best), spacing out shots near the end of the proc timing maximizes the bleed damage.
Also, on handmaiden and sott, taking the 15% power talent allows you to quick-charge one-shot every elite and special, even on cata (sans cws obvs). On legend you can quick-fire one-shot many elites and all specials. I take bonus power to monsters and armor. The bonus to monsters is obviously nice for monster fights, but also helps hit that quickfire bodyshot breakpoint on packmasters in legend.
It one-shot bodies armor elites with proper bonuses to power in talents and properties, even in cata. The only time it doesn’t is bestigors, cws, and berserkers in cata. A quick shot in legend takes care of all elites and specials except berserkers, bestigors, cws, and flag-bearers in legend. Quick-charge kills all except cws in legend, and loses the bestigor, cw, and berserker breakpoints. You need a quick charge + quick shot for besties and berserkers. Also, flag-bearer needs two quick-charges.
"somebody could get yeeted off that cliff for sure" ahhh yes that cliff taught me some hard lesson about spawn of chaos.
I always thought it was weird kerrilian didn't have her magical handmaiden bow as a handmaiden lol.
Great vid, keep them coming. Such a great early peak into the update
looking forward to more vermintide vids
I think I played with you guys the other day lmao! Just realizing it now! Love watching your videos
Pretty sure that was a didgeridoo making those owen wilson sounds lmao
Vaul's anvil sounds amazing, but it also sounds like the best way to screw with muscle memory and something so ingrained in your mind. I wonder, does it work when it comes to GK with a shield against a warpfire thrower? What about shields in general and ratlings as well?
I'm kinda jealous that you got access to it, but also super hyped thanks to your vids :D
not long to wait now!
Fatshark is blessing this ravaged game. Ya love to see it.
Indy, planning any vermintide 2 streams
they should really spawn like two trolls or two rat ogres together at times on certain maps or something people can take on two trolls because they're' tough but they're slow and can be knocked down it would be cool to finally fight two mini bosses together, they haven't done that yet.
If you set up twitch mode you can do this on regular maps.
If ever Fatshark stops supporting V2 and one day comes out with Vermintide 3, since it's set in the (Bad) End Times would you still want it to be in the Old World or in Age of Sigmar? If in Age of Sigmar, would you want the Ubersreik 5 to still headline it or would prefer a new cast and setting like Ulfenkarn the Cursed City with the 8 heroes to choose from?
Did you just reference Talladega Nights? Man of culture I see.
That diggerido is pleasing to me.
From what I've seen definitely putting barrage on that thing
Can't wait to play 🤩🤩
Sienna next please? I have seen very little gameplay so far of the new staff and what class it pairs well with.
Most definitely the BW with the non stop burn talent. Pyro, unlikely. Unchained maybe.
@@brendanclark1058 The burn is meh, so non-stop burn is a weak choice imo. The strong burn or volcanic will do better. And yes, it's great on Unchained cause you can actually make enemies stand in your flames and add your ult burn on top.
oh lord i cant wait for this
They give any sort of date or estimate for console release?
@@marentes310 no idea my guy
It's been hard finding full groups for this free DLC. Fat Shark should probably incentivize players with dailies and weeklys for this new content.
Same for Winds of Magic content not that I think anyone would play it regardless...
Will you be covering all the new weapons? Looking forward to the bow and Sienna's new staff
I figured it would make for a good Handmaiden weapon. Aren't those the bows the Sisters of Avelorn use, after all?
Moonfire and Starfire are both Wood Elf weapons. But yeah as I say in the video, it looks and plays more like a Sister of Avelorn weapon than it does an Asrai weapon
@@milkandcookiesTW Regarding the lore, I recall the Creative Consultant pointing out on the subreddit that this Moonfire bow is separate from the Moonfire arrows used by Asrai. The way he explained it seemed like this bow is bassically a gift from Lileath and a new invention that didn't exist yet in Warhammer lore. It does have a rather confusing name though, considering the aforementioned Moonfire arrows.
www.reddit.com/r/Vermintide/comments/mq5501/new_weapons_detailed_separate_599_dlc/gugvtwl/
Great video Indy, but I’d love to know how the bow interacts with ammo talents? Does it reduce cool down or overcharge of the bow? Or is it useless?
I think most ammo talents just dont do anything for it
@@milkandcookiesTW that's a bit disappointing
I think the fast revive for handmaiden was during the big balance patch.
Very awesome Bow!
Very good content as per!
I'm having some trouble with a guide I'm reading online. He explains some types of shots it takes to kill certain types of enemies. But I can't understand what he means with all the shots.
Quick arrow being a single left click and Charged arrow being holding right until it's fully charged then pressing left click. I understand this much. But when I read on about the Moonfire Bow he goes into:
quick fire arrow and quick charged arrow. What do these mean?
I cant find any lore on the Slanneshi voice boxes that are flying around going "wawawa" Anyone got lore on them?
...when will we get to hear duke and you communicating? - duke get mic.
It's cool but really really didnt want yet another separate system. But unlike Winds of Magic i think ill at least give it a try.
mugatu approves this video
I would laugh my ass off and give props to FS if they switched the name of the Moonfire bow to Starfire bow just with like the patchnote of "Woops"
looked at Dukes kills
*DAYUMMMMM*
How was he mob killing so many armored like that~!
From its effects it looks like they should've named it Vape Bow :)
Havent gotten to play yet but I'm gonna try to make an infinite torpedo build on engineer.
Everything looks pretty sick. I’m a little worried the chaos god modifiers might get a little annoying pretty quickly. How long would you say a full run takes assuming you make it all the way through?
A bit less than an hour
yeah typically 45 min to 1 hour 10 min, provided you aren't speed running
You don't know you can just block monster "unblockables" with shield now?
Weew
-chaos Owen Wilson
Is there gonna be a sale to old DLC's with release of Chaos Wastes?
Nice Vid, does the quiver of plenty talent has anny effect on moon bow?
Nop. Wasted talent, or coins. Also, no affect from waystalker bonus ammo pool either.
Can all of her careers use that? Or is it limited to 2 like the trollhammer?
all 3 of her classes can use it
All though worst on waystalker since she will gimp all of her ammo buffs and abilities making her kind of a half character. This was pretty much introduced to the handmaiden based on her struggling ammunition tendencies.
yo do we know how much smaller they made the game size with the cw update?
Hey MilkandcookiesTW! Great vid, but curious how do you get your video's codec to be the highest so you don't get grainy footage? I've tried uploading at 4k even though I record at 1080p and I'm told that should fix it, but I still get the lowest codec, at least for a while.
what is your bitrate that you render at?
do we still get beastmen if we dont have winds of magic?
If I were to venture into the chaos wastes I would simply only fight Skaven and rotbloods instead of daemons.
RIP Tzar Boris but I'm different
For me the Moonfire instantly turned the Handmaiden from a mediocre class I wasn't a huge fan of to probably my most favourite class in the whole game
Is the video choppy for anyone else?
Are these new weapons for ALL missions or just for Chaos Wastes? Realise that might sound like a stupid question but with it being a Free-LC I wondered if there were any caveats to the new equipment
The new weapon pack is $6. They are for all missions.
@@masangeles296 cheers bud wasn't sure what the craic was didn't actually realise there was a separate DLC alongside it
How do, you unlock the new weapons after you buy them?
if you bought them they should already be unlocked
The minotaur is always so intimidating. Like, how the fuck would you actually fight one?
You gotta buy the pack to get the weapons or can they be earned in game?
Purchase-only
@@Rwdphotos thanks
Do you think we will ever see daemons as enemies?
Not in this game. I think we'll get the last few classes and thatll be it
Torpedo? Torpedotorpedo? TORPEDO?
I really want some new enemies
how can i try play these?
How long is an average run? Can you save halfway through?
Chaos wastes? it's 4-6 (can't remember RN) maps with no save points. I'd give a single expedition roughly 90-120 min depending on how good/fast/efficient you are, the difficulty you play and (slightly) what enemy spawns you get.
Whilst you can't save, you can take a break between maps by having everyone not vote.
its probably even better to just quickfire the bosses for maximum dot damage.
No, quickfire does half the dot damage, but you only really gain one extra shot. It’s better to use quick-charge and space it to refresh barrage stacks. You allow the bow to gain some charge between shots when doing that too, which drastically increases overall dps because you’re not waiting on charge downtime.
Now, this looks like what WoM should have been! I went from pessimism to careful interest ...
For some reason Kerillian looks like a small dog with those red stains around it’s eyes
So do we have to pay for the relics dlc to get the weapons?
yes the weapons are separate from the free Chaos wastes update. Forgotten Relics is like 5.99 USD or something like that I think
Is there any toms and grims?
nope
Our Queen got a new toy... noice
when are they going to fix Kerrilian's eyes, they have no glint, there's barely any eyebrows(sometimes none) and it looks like they're hollow
Can't wait till this update nukes my pc
sister next class confirmed :O ?
There was a supposed leak a few weeks ago, and if they were real, it looks to be a Sister of the Thorn class
yo that bow actually kinda fucks
Moonfire bow seems useless against armorrd enemies?
definitely not useless. Good vs. Stormvermin, good vs. Bestigors. Not amazing vs. Chaos Warriors, but can penetrate their armor with headshots or crits, and the burn DOT can hurt them pretty bad
in the contrary, if it's dot damage as if it were a poison of sorts, wouldn't that ignore armor no matter what? although not sure how it differs from the hagbane bown
It one-shot bodies armor elites with proper bonuses to power in talents and properties, even in cata. The only time it doesn’t is bestigors, cws, and berserkers in cata. A quick shot in legend takes care of all elites and specials except berserkers, bestigors, cws, and flag-bearers in legend. Quick-charge kills all except cws in legend, and loses the bestigor, cw, and berserker breakpoints. You need a quick charge + quick shot for besties and berserkers. Also, flag-bearer needs two quick-charges.
Wait, for completing this you get chests that you can't use for this game mode because you just have base weapons going in? What's the point?
you dont need to unlock anything for this game mode anyway, because all your progression is tied to each singular run, so there's no grinding. Each Expedition you build your character how you want to build them. What would you rather the reward be?
@@milkandcookiesTW It feels weird to not have a reward tied to the game mode itself. They could follow the Hades route where you start with upgraded weapons or with a game mode specific upgrade but with no reward I'm afraid interest would die out rather quickly.
@@LanceF7 Who plays this game for the reward? What's there to get, what's there to grind? You feel rewarded getting a chest?
@@rebel8707 Yes. I love getting Emp vaults for the chance of new reds. I have over 400 hours in this game and the rewards is part of the reason I keep playing is the rewards.
Best reward in this game is getting better at it imo.
Thank you sweet baby Sigmar
Man watching this makes me realise how shit i am at vermintide
1HP/3sec is among the most busted things you can get. On a tank class you basically can't be weared down, ironbreaker with is is straight up immortal. (also ranger with 15hp on ammo is near immortal too).
Bothers me that its just Nurgle's troops copied and pasted into each of the different area's, But hey- You cant have everything i suppose. Brilliant game with juuuust that single downside.
Bums me out. Really wanted to get into this game, but it kept stuttering with lag, no matter the settings.
Check the client. When u click play on steam and the client opens you will see settings at the top. Click on it and see if its not a worker thread issue. I had the same, had low fps cause i had the wrong amount of worker threads.
Checked your client threads in the launcher? Or switched which DirectX you're using?
@@Marcai Oh hey, that actually worked! Thanks everyone who replied, setting the threads to max fixed it.
Again Elf got all the love ......
With the Griphon foot being a great horde weapon, Trollhammer being super strong burst, and Shield&Spear for Markus having great survivability, I'd not say Kerillian got all the love here. Moonfire is great for handmaiden, but less so for shade, and inferior to waystalker longbow.
" Handmaiden's " new weapon
Also works well with shade stacking barrage. The high monster damage pairs well.
apart from this bow, i think dlc is worth skipping tbf
Ssooo....is this turning into pay to win with special weapons? Cause that's really bothering me
i dont think so. Moonfire is definitely a big buff to Handmaiden because of her ammo troubles, and Trollhammer has some bugged interactions. but overall these weapons seem to be in an okay spot in terms of balance
hagbane 2.0 that needs no ammo like seriously?
Both have pros and cons, I think that's neat. Can't mag/quiverdump a patrol, monster or horde with the Moonfire, and similarly the Hagbane (waystalker aside, but I don't think the new bow will be good on her anyway) cannot be used on chaff/less important targets due to ammo scarcity, unlike the Moonfire bow.
@@Shotgunkjell Another channel that had early access claimed that the ammo replenishment talent on WS actually affects the new bow too. So it may not be her most ideal weapon, but we’ll have to see if there’s a decent build around it in the future
@@brendanclark1058 I guess so, if nothing else using it would free up her level 30 talent, because lets face it, everyone with a brain runs Kurnous' Reward
@@Shotgunkjell Right. I could see a build for the single shot talent being useful.
Thanks for choosing such irrelevant gameplay, you maybe shot the bow 3x which is why we are all here
you didnt watch the gameplay, and apparently also dont know how combat in Vermintide works. its not a game where you just run around with your ranged weapon out the whole time, its still focused more on melee. But I killed 3 bosses and like 10 specials with it IN THE INTRO OF THE VIDEO lmao. Dont be a dumbass, I used it a bunch
Now imagine we also fought bloodthirsters etc there.. dlc looks good but kinda wasted opportunity
Moonfire bow is great on Handmaiden indeed! And it works with Shade's bonus damage to poisoned/bleeding enemies as well.
I tested that out, and it doesn’t. Moonfire is fire damage, not poison or bleed.