Eclipse is a very gradual increase in difficulty, and is balanced incredibly well. I feel like eclipse is my favorite difficulty spike of any of the rougelikes I've played. Hades' heat system is unique in that you can pick the difficultys, but it also feels like there are so many that are super impacting that it can feel like jumping from e3 to e8. Dead cells has great difficulty to begin with, and the game is super easy to understand so it's not very hard to get good at, but the bc levels can be pretty crazy sometimes. I felt the scaling was a bit steep (I breezed through bc 1-3 then got hard stuck bc4). So yea, eclipse is the best constructed one I've played so far
Definitely agree on the eclipse stance on its lack of availability. 100+ something hours and only when I stumbled across you I learned about Eclipse. Literally just thought whatever you were doing was a modded difficulty or something.
I too found out about eclipse through your vids and because I was always playing casually I didn't think I would end up playing it. However just watching your videos has made me so much better at the game that playing monsoon offers no challenge. I'm slowly grinding eclipse between playing other games, like I'll try a run or two every other day and I'm having a blast.
I had this exact start recently except I never got an fmp. I vowed to not go to Mithrix till I got one. 3 loops later, 30+ gas was getting outscaled and I ended up dying to a void event. Didn't get my fmp.
i had no idea eclipse existed until i watched your videos. even after watching your videos i thought it was a mod. then after realizing it was in the game, i thought it was only accessible through the multiplayer menu. it was only after E3 that i found it in the alternate game mode menu. maybe it's my stupidity but it almost seems like a conscious decision to hide eclipse 😂
As an interesting note, with a soul bound catalyst and bottled chaos any equipment is a FMP build. I had 2 soul bounds, 3 bottled chaos and a gesture with a blast shower. Every third or so equipment use bottled chaos would throw a FMP and all hell would break loose. Ended up better than FMP since blast showers cool down is as low as it gets
For me, the reason I never played Eclipse wasn't because it's somewhat hidden away. When I heard the last Eclipse level has permanent damage I just assumed it would be 1:1 and carry over between stages. That sounded way too difficult for me so I never bothered. Only when I found your vids did I figure out how the perma damage actually works and that it's balanced enough to consistently win runs. Now I got Eclipse 2 on all characters. :) Haven't played in a while but it did breathe a lot of new life into the game for me. Stopped playing again because I got so so bored after grinding the Mercenary: Ethereal achievement for a few days :')
I knew about Eclipse when I first installed the game and explored the menu. However I thought it'd be a whatever gimmicky gamemode like the other 2 alternate gamemodes, didn't know it was so beloved and played by the best players until I started watching vids.
I was doing an eclipse run with a friend of mine (it was eclipse 2 since he has only just started doing em) and i had some of the craziest luck that run. I managed to get a ceremonial dagger, soulbound, and fmp by stage 3 and it tore up everything
I learned about eclipse very recently because of Cap's pillar skip video. I thought it was a really popular difficulty mod or something, so then I looked it up.
I was just gonna edit my other comment, but algorithm babyyy I will say, I think when super hard difficulties are implemented into the "main ascension", people have a weird psychological reaction where they feel like they *have* to play it. With borderlands 2 and 3 this happened a lot, where every single build *had* to be for OP8, or later OP10 (even though 10 wasn't received very well by most people), and a similar thing happened to BL3s mayhem levels. And people would make complaints all the time about how the DLC ruined BL2 because of OP10 even though it's a completely optional, toggle-able difficulty. But I think that like you said, it should still be displayed alongside the main set of difficulties... maybe if they were looking to avoid that reaction, a separate tab labeled "hardcore" or something, but definitely not tucked away in another menu (I still don't know where it is).
I have had to put on multitudes x4 on monsoon to have fun on mercenary. Going to have to try eclipse, I just kind of forgot about it after the void update cause I loved the artifacts so much
Earlier today had a E8 commando run that had daggers on stage 1, and got a second stack later but no FMP was to be found (ended up trading the two and another red for Teddy bears on the moon tho so it good)
12:42 about that monsoon and eclipse point, ik this dude in a server that im in who is also pretty active in the ror2 server that only plays monsoon and is so good at it that he takes like 100 damage per run, which is pretty interesting because he refuses to play eclipse because its “poorly balanced” but monsoon is clearly too easy for him
Eclipse is not played by the majority of people who play RoR 2, therefore Eclipse is not the main proponent in keeping RoR 2 an active, and repayable game. I personally like Eclipse. I like challenge, but most people just like to become powerful. It is really the game's ability to allow players to quickly grow strong that is the main proponent in its replay ability
Note, I am speaking as a person who's played like 3 hours of RoR2, never made it past 2 minutes in to stage 3, and a pirated copy too, so my experience of the game comes mostly from videos, feel free to ignore. That said I disagree with Race's view on Eclipse achievements. Having certain skins or achievements locked behind Eclipse, maybe doing something like Hollow Knight and its DLCs where Eclipse completion can take you above 100%, would be really cool. Maybe even having hidden character skills/skins after certain benchmarks, like E5 gives you a hidden special skill, and E8 gives you a hidden skin, would be really fun. Give it some meaning, while still letting the game up to Monsoon feel pretty complete.
To be clear I wanted skins and achievements in eclipse, I was just saying I understand that the devs didn’t and was trying to talk about a realistic middle ground they could’ve chosen. I was campaigning for eclipse skins for years :(
I was actually the one who presented the idea of the gold badge to the devs, in another shape and form, love what they did with the implementation (thank you Biz and Ben)
Hey Race, if lunar items could be obtained aside from the shop how do you think they should be obtained? Personally some of my ideas were putting a secret akin to the pot puzzle on the moon for players to figure out with each lunar item making the puzzle harder up to some arbitrary max, having lunar items only be obtained on loops and it just gives you an option between three sorta like simulacrum or vields, and lastly this is less for the normal items but perhaps instead of making a blue portal for a tele event players would use a sort of special mountain totem to fight like a lunar themed boss variant of a normal boss in order to get a piece of heretic each stage. I understand that doing this would greatly reduce the viability of heretic and reduce potential for insane lunar combos but I'd still be curious to hear what you think.
They could just shove the highest eclipse into the difficulty section so if u unlocked e6 then it shows e6 but the rest are in the gamemode section, I found it because I have friends who play with me and I usually make the servers
Considering the name, making an item unlock "reach the moon in eclipse" would be thematic and give players an incentive to actually try it. Honestly putting an ability unlock for railgunner or the character unlock for void fiend would not be insane In rougelikes, the hardest difficulty should be at least a bit unfair, where all but the best players cant win every time without cheese. Despite all my time in FTL I know that sometimes you just dont have the tools to win every game, though that is a much less mechanically intense game than RoR2.
The FTL winstreak world record holder has over like 130 wins on hard no pause in a row lol That being said risk of rain is definitely a game you ‘can’ win every time no matter what, I like that it’s possible but I wish it were harder and there was less cheese available.
I definitely enjoy eclipse but I enjoy playing rex more so I tend to look for other difficulty mods that don't take away from a major part of their gameplay
I think that if they want to have permanent damage, they need to rework some items, add more, or remove them from the item pool when on that difficulty. Several items are made not only worthless, but detrimental because of the permanent damage affecting self damage, and the cap on healing invalidating items. REX is another example. He can't even use half his kit because the self damage ruins him. Besides that eclipse is great, but I hate having my options bottlenecked.
I knew Eclipse existed, but no way in hell am I ever doing it. I've still only beaten Monsoon with a single character in 120 hours, and that was just a lot of luck. I dunno how people get so good at this game.
I don't think monsoon is easy but once you get enough knowledge e8 provides a better challenge. On the other hand adding artifacts like evolution and vengeance can add that extra challenge.
what makes Mythrix not steal your items and go into that death rattle of a bullet hell? it looks really fun, also never knew anything about eclipse at all.
If someone doesn't create a mod now that replaces the FMP model with the acrid plush I will be very disappointed Unrelated but I just finished beating E4 with every character woo hoo
Can we as a community appreciate the fact that risk of rain players and streamers sound like theyre speaking another fucking language with their item shortenings? "Caggers" "Bhaos" "Plimp" "Vand" "FMP" Like wtf are you saying SPEAK ENGLISH We must sound absolutely insane.
I don't want to be rude, but someone be like "Ah yes Monsoon is actually really easy" feels EXTREMELY pretentious, even if I get the point is more just that you sorta graduated past it.
Obviously I don't mean it that way, but several times in the video, before and after that point -- including where I said that -- I acknowledged the path and perspective of other players as well as my own. I started that particular sentence off with saying that when players start monsoon they will view it as difficult. I continued it by saying when -- 'when' being an undisclosed amount of time which is different for everyone -- they figure it out and get good at monsoon that they will find it consistently easy eventually and potentially unrewarding, implying that they keep playing and improving since the conversation was centered around replayability. Essentially riding a bike is hard to someone brand new, but once they eventually get good at it it becomes routine. It takes more time to learn monsoon but the idea is the same: if you put in the time to learn to ride the bike it will become easy, whatever that means for you or anyone else. My perspective is that monsoon isn't highly replayable -- especially if you chose to play monsoon for the difficulty bump over rainstorm -- and that's the same sentiment I've heard countless times over the years from chat and comments from other players who thanked me for showing them eclipse. Reminder, there's still *8* difficulties that sit above monsoon and it's in the lower third of all difficulty present in the game, it is *designed* to be conquered eventually by players willing to climb further. There's only really so much I can say when I share my personal perspective on the game and its difficulty -- especially in a cut up stream highlight -- without troubling players who are insecure about their progress. Everyone is on a different path and has a different experience and that's perfectly fine, that's the social contract we have to abide by, the understanding everyone follows a different road and is on a different point on it, I feel I can only do so much to acknowledge that when I share my point of view. I feel that the best I can do is continue to try and help, teach, and encourage people to keep going and climbing.
@@RacesVideos Yea, In the end I understand the point. I just kinda couldn't help but shake that feeling a little bit when I made the original comment... It's also kinda difficult to even know WHEN to progress in the first place (I'm a new player that basically plays exclusively on Drizzle right now, with the plan that I'll move up to Rainstorm after I can beat Mithrix on drizzle (also don't have DLC yet so that might also influence how easy or difficult my own time is). (And whether I should wait until I can do it ONCE or do it CONSISTENTLY I'm not sure). Maybe someday I WILL try eclipse. Though it seems like that'll be a ways off.
My advice is always you should move up to the difficulty you want to play and play it. You can never prepare for monsoon by not playing it for example. You can never learn the balance of riding a bike by riding a tricycle. Getting used to a lower difficulty actually makes higher ones harder if anything. You internalize and learn strategies that are easily punished later and frankly it's harder to unlearn and relearn than it is to simply learn for the first time, albeit even if the experience is a bit harder. That's not always the most fun for people though, so do whatever you feel will enhance your experience, we're all different. But remember you're more capable than you think, don't shy away from harder content if it's because you don't believe in yourself.
Although it's hard to believe in myself when it feels like even Rainstorm is a complete shitshow of getting completely overwhelmed in round 3 despite doing basically everything right.@@RacesVideos
@@aquamarinerose5405 What are your strategies for playing the game? I've found that the things that made me improve the most were learning to just circle around the enemies (which means 99% of projectiles miss you and lots of enemies group in the middle which makes them much less overwhelming) and learning to not care about the timer and just prioritise getting as powerful as possible with items, scrappers/printers/cauldrons and recyclers Also the game is harder without the DLC in my opinion, the DLC has harder enemies but it has so many powerful items
How did you find out about eclipse 🤔
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@@suetyhercules7717 yeah same, first modifier doesn't look challenging enough to care and you can't see others
Whoever your thumbnail artist is, they're doing an absolutely incredible job.
I literally logged in just to comment about the thumbnail. Holy hecc
SO TRUE
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Thank you :>
@@siegkamiyou make absolute works of art
Damn I love the ending where you took Auri with you ❤
the end where the pod pulls aurelionite up sent me gj kami
Been loving the competitions you and the other youtubers have been doing
Eclipse is a very gradual increase in difficulty, and is balanced incredibly well. I feel like eclipse is my favorite difficulty spike of any of the rougelikes I've played. Hades' heat system is unique in that you can pick the difficultys, but it also feels like there are so many that are super impacting that it can feel like jumping from e3 to e8. Dead cells has great difficulty to begin with, and the game is super easy to understand so it's not very hard to get good at, but the bc levels can be pretty crazy sometimes. I felt the scaling was a bit steep (I breezed through bc 1-3 then got hard stuck bc4). So yea, eclipse is the best constructed one I've played so far
Definitely agree on the eclipse stance on its lack of availability. 100+ something hours and only when I stumbled across you I learned about Eclipse. Literally just thought whatever you were doing was a modded difficulty or something.
I too found out about eclipse through your vids and because I was always playing casually I didn't think I would end up playing it. However just watching your videos has made me so much better at the game that playing monsoon offers no challenge. I'm slowly grinding eclipse between playing other games, like I'll try a run or two every other day and I'm having a blast.
Man hearing about how easy monsoon is while not being able to reliably beat rainstorm just shows how much there is to learn about this game.
Getting Ifrit’s Distinction on a run where you get already get a better burn effect is p a i n
that run was so fun to watch live, love the content as always!
I had this exact start recently except I never got an fmp. I vowed to not go to Mithrix till I got one. 3 loops later, 30+ gas was getting outscaled and I ended up dying to a void event. Didn't get my fmp.
i had no idea eclipse existed until i watched your videos. even after watching your videos i thought it was a mod. then after realizing it was in the game, i thought it was only accessible through the multiplayer menu. it was only after E3 that i found it in the alternate game mode menu. maybe it's my stupidity but it almost seems like a conscious decision to hide eclipse 😂
omg I love the acrid fmp in the thumbnail omg someone needs to make a texture pack
As an interesting note, with a soul bound catalyst and bottled chaos any equipment is a FMP build. I had 2 soul bounds, 3 bottled chaos and a gesture with a blast shower. Every third or so equipment use bottled chaos would throw a FMP and all hell would break loose.
Ended up better than FMP since blast showers cool down is as low as it gets
For me, the reason I never played Eclipse wasn't because it's somewhat hidden away. When I heard the last Eclipse level has permanent damage I just assumed it would be 1:1 and carry over between stages. That sounded way too difficult for me so I never bothered. Only when I found your vids did I figure out how the perma damage actually works and that it's balanced enough to consistently win runs. Now I got Eclipse 2 on all characters. :) Haven't played in a while but it did breathe a lot of new life into the game for me. Stopped playing again because I got so so bored after grinding the Mercenary: Ethereal achievement for a few days :')
I knew about Eclipse when I first installed the game and explored the menu. However I thought it'd be a whatever gimmicky gamemode like the other 2 alternate gamemodes, didn't know it was so beloved and played by the best players until I started watching vids.
I was doing an eclipse run with a friend of mine (it was eclipse 2 since he has only just started doing em) and i had some of the craziest luck that run. I managed to get a ceremonial dagger, soulbound, and fmp by stage 3 and it tore up everything
Finally the fmp has arrived.
I learned about eclipse very recently because of Cap's pillar skip video. I thought it was a really popular difficulty mod or something, so then I looked it up.
I was just gonna edit my other comment, but algorithm babyyy
I will say, I think when super hard difficulties are implemented into the "main ascension", people have a weird psychological reaction where they feel like they *have* to play it. With borderlands 2 and 3 this happened a lot, where every single build *had* to be for OP8, or later OP10 (even though 10 wasn't received very well by most people), and a similar thing happened to BL3s mayhem levels. And people would make complaints all the time about how the DLC ruined BL2 because of OP10 even though it's a completely optional, toggle-able difficulty.
But I think that like you said, it should still be displayed alongside the main set of difficulties... maybe if they were looking to avoid that reaction, a separate tab labeled "hardcore" or something, but definitely not tucked away in another menu (I still don't know where it is).
The modded difficulties above monsoon are really fun! You should try them sometime
"EA Feather"
This joke has no right being as good as it is
0:31 I prefer to call that build "Sprunk" personally
I have had to put on multitudes x4 on monsoon to have fun on mercenary. Going to have to try eclipse, I just kind of forgot about it after the void update cause I loved the artifacts so much
I completed every achievement in the game until I realized eclipse exists.
i didn't know about eclipse till I found you. Honestly thought it was a mod at first to make the game harder, lmao.
Earlier today had a E8 commando run that had daggers on stage 1, and got a second stack later
but no FMP was to be found
(ended up trading the two and another red for Teddy bears on the moon tho so it good)
Didn't know it existed until I saw your videos xD
I love this game. Played for 270 hours before I realized eclipse was a thing. Only knew because I was it in videos.
Happy Arti ending!
You should try the chance of percipitation mod it basically renames items to funny names an betterui or item stats still work with the tab menu
Race: I feel like monsoon is a bit to free, You barely have to try. Me: Dies on stage 2 in rainstorm 😡😡😡
he does have thousands of hours in the game so don't feel too bad lol
I also got an aspect to drop the last time I had a sagglyst FMP build
omg i was here for the stream
Someone recently released a mod which adds Eclipse mode to RoR 1. You should give it a shot, it is a challenge.
a week ago I got a stage 1 fmp build, and I also got an aspect partway through lol
12:42 about that monsoon and eclipse point, ik this dude in a server that im in who is also pretty active in the ror2 server that only plays monsoon and is so good at it that he takes like 100 damage per run, which is pretty interesting because he refuses to play eclipse because its “poorly balanced” but monsoon is clearly too easy for him
Eclipse is not played by the majority of people who play RoR 2, therefore Eclipse is not the main proponent in keeping RoR 2 an active, and repayable game. I personally like Eclipse. I like challenge, but most people just like to become powerful. It is really the game's ability to allow players to quickly grow strong that is the main proponent in its replay ability
I agree with this, its the mods and snowballin that keep it going
Note, I am speaking as a person who's played like 3 hours of RoR2, never made it past 2 minutes in to stage 3, and a pirated copy too, so my experience of the game comes mostly from videos, feel free to ignore.
That said I disagree with Race's view on Eclipse achievements. Having certain skins or achievements locked behind Eclipse, maybe doing something like Hollow Knight and its DLCs where Eclipse completion can take you above 100%, would be really cool. Maybe even having hidden character skills/skins after certain benchmarks, like E5 gives you a hidden special skill, and E8 gives you a hidden skin, would be really fun. Give it some meaning, while still letting the game up to Monsoon feel pretty complete.
To be clear I wanted skins and achievements in eclipse, I was just saying I understand that the devs didn’t and was trying to talk about a realistic middle ground they could’ve chosen. I was campaigning for eclipse skins for years :(
@@RacesVideos y'know I' m glad you said so, I both misunderstood & misrepresented your stance there, thank you
I was actually the one who presented the idea of the gold badge to the devs, in another shape and form, love what they did with the implementation (thank you Biz and Ben)
Hey Race, if lunar items could be obtained aside from the shop how do you think they should be obtained? Personally some of my ideas were putting a secret akin to the pot puzzle on the moon for players to figure out with each lunar item making the puzzle harder up to some arbitrary max, having lunar items only be obtained on loops and it just gives you an option between three sorta like simulacrum or vields, and lastly this is less for the normal items but perhaps instead of making a blue portal for a tele event players would use a sort of special mountain totem to fight like a lunar themed boss variant of a normal boss in order to get a piece of heretic each stage. I understand that doing this would greatly reduce the viability of heretic and reduce potential for insane lunar combos but I'd still be curious to hear what you think.
8:10 wait, Eclipse wasn't like.. a recent DLC addition or something? I seriously thought it was
3:49 cabbage has a railgunner itemless e8 video
Yep
They could just shove the highest eclipse into the difficulty section so if u unlocked e6 then it shows e6 but the rest are in the gamemode section, I found it because I have friends who play with me and I usually make the servers
Considering the name, making an item unlock "reach the moon in eclipse" would be thematic and give players an incentive to actually try it. Honestly putting an ability unlock for railgunner or the character unlock for void fiend would not be insane
In rougelikes, the hardest difficulty should be at least a bit unfair, where all but the best players cant win every time without cheese. Despite all my time in FTL I know that sometimes you just dont have the tools to win every game, though that is a much less mechanically intense game than RoR2.
The FTL winstreak world record holder has over like 130 wins on hard no pause in a row lol
That being said risk of rain is definitely a game you ‘can’ win every time no matter what, I like that it’s possible but I wish it were harder and there was less cheese available.
I knew about eclipse, but I have never done it because I can barely bear monsoon on some survirvors
I definitely enjoy eclipse but I enjoy playing rex more so I tend to look for other difficulty mods that don't take away from a major part of their gameplay
9:32
didn't they mention that RoRr will have "providence trials"?
Common Race W
I think that if they want to have permanent damage, they need to rework some items, add more, or remove them from the item pool when on that difficulty. Several items are made not only worthless, but detrimental because of the permanent damage affecting self damage, and the cap on healing invalidating items. REX is another example. He can't even use half his kit because the self damage ruins him. Besides that eclipse is great, but I hate having my options bottlenecked.
I knew Eclipse existed, but no way in hell am I ever doing it. I've still only beaten Monsoon with a single character in 120 hours, and that was just a lot of luck. I dunno how people get so good at this game.
id love to see some more modded content (character mods would be cool)
As a switch player I just can’t handle the fact that monsoon is easy on pc
How were you using different equipments like the egg and drones?
I only play eclipse solo, but I still do go back to the normal game modes to play with friends who aren't as good at the game
Maybe I’m crazy, but more things should have needed Eclipse at least 1 to unlock it.
Missing out not keeping all the fuel cells and/or bargaining for another bhaos at the end...
In another life my friend
When you were talking about how monsoon was too easy I was wondering if you had tried the inferno mod?
Monsoon is easy says the person with literal thousands of hours
What about an eclipse 9 that would remove scrappers and printers or just printers and keep the scrappers for the moon soups?
Forgiven, just like i forgive you for what you did back in 2004.
Was checkin frame by frame to see whether or not the "EA Feather" actually charged you
why mythicks have turn into OURPLE in 20:09 ? Is he turn into what is now the rain?
RORR WONT HAVE ECLIPSE!?!?!?!!! NNNOOOOO
bhaos op
I don't think monsoon is easy but once you get enough knowledge e8 provides a better challenge. On the other hand adding artifacts like evolution and vengeance can add that extra challenge.
Additionally I think vengeance is cool because if you do anything too crazy you have to deal with what you created
sacred fmp build
hey race what's that number at the top why isn't there a skull like normal
(i'm legally obligated to say that this is a joke)
pog
Omg I'm pretty sure I saw this run the other day
race saying monsoon is free really rubs in how much i suck at this game struggling to do rainstorm
i only play Risk of Rain 2 because Acrid... Acrid gaming, yeah bay beee
Not gonna lie i was sceptical that eclipse made the game feel better....
Now im eclipse 8 on every char
what makes Mythrix not steal your items and go into that death rattle of a bullet hell? it looks really fun, also never knew anything about eclipse at all.
Thats the Umbral Mithrix mod by Nuxlar
Hey you ever think about trying e16 mod? @race
Wait a Sec, I thought Eclipse was a Mod, so I never wanted to try it. Its built into the game. Where?!
Would you play an Eclipse mod for RoRR?
Why are you so floaty? I don't see headstompers. Maybe i'm not noticing something obvious o:
FIRST!!!!!!!!!!
when is the bhaos run where you get 15 bhaos and every equipment triggers at once
what is that mythrix fight?
Idea, how about making a golden skin for every character that you beaten e8 at least 100 times? How does that sound.
I feel like on eclipse I never get this kind of damage ;-;
What's an fnp build?
New player here - why is harpoon bad if speed is so good on acrid?
The unreliability and power of the half second burst can send acrid flying with his shift causing him to implode on impact with a wall on eclipse 3
If someone doesn't create a mod now that replaces the FMP model with the acrid plush I will be very disappointed
Unrelated but I just finished beating E4 with every character woo hoo
can you make some tierlists
Wait is eclipse not a mod?
Can we as a community appreciate the fact that risk of rain players and streamers sound like theyre speaking another fucking language with their item shortenings?
"Caggers"
"Bhaos"
"Plimp"
"Vand"
"FMP"
Like wtf are you saying SPEAK ENGLISH
We must sound absolutely insane.
Too bad there was no ignition tank, otherwise you could’ve had the true napalm build
You gunna play crab champions?
Gah damn I’m early
i love you race marry me
Console 😔
please take what u said about harpoon back please
I don't want to be rude, but someone be like "Ah yes Monsoon is actually really easy" feels EXTREMELY pretentious, even if I get the point is more just that you sorta graduated past it.
Obviously I don't mean it that way, but several times in the video, before and after that point -- including where I said that -- I acknowledged the path and perspective of other players as well as my own. I started that particular sentence off with saying that when players start monsoon they will view it as difficult. I continued it by saying when -- 'when' being an undisclosed amount of time which is different for everyone -- they figure it out and get good at monsoon that they will find it consistently easy eventually and potentially unrewarding, implying that they keep playing and improving since the conversation was centered around replayability. Essentially riding a bike is hard to someone brand new, but once they eventually get good at it it becomes routine. It takes more time to learn monsoon but the idea is the same: if you put in the time to learn to ride the bike it will become easy, whatever that means for you or anyone else. My perspective is that monsoon isn't highly replayable -- especially if you chose to play monsoon for the difficulty bump over rainstorm -- and that's the same sentiment I've heard countless times over the years from chat and comments from other players who thanked me for showing them eclipse. Reminder, there's still *8* difficulties that sit above monsoon and it's in the lower third of all difficulty present in the game, it is *designed* to be conquered eventually by players willing to climb further.
There's only really so much I can say when I share my personal perspective on the game and its difficulty -- especially in a cut up stream highlight -- without troubling players who are insecure about their progress. Everyone is on a different path and has a different experience and that's perfectly fine, that's the social contract we have to abide by, the understanding everyone follows a different road and is on a different point on it, I feel I can only do so much to acknowledge that when I share my point of view. I feel that the best I can do is continue to try and help, teach, and encourage people to keep going and climbing.
@@RacesVideos Yea, In the end I understand the point. I just kinda couldn't help but shake that feeling a little bit when I made the original comment...
It's also kinda difficult to even know WHEN to progress in the first place (I'm a new player that basically plays exclusively on Drizzle right now, with the plan that I'll move up to Rainstorm after I can beat Mithrix on drizzle (also don't have DLC yet so that might also influence how easy or difficult my own time is). (And whether I should wait until I can do it ONCE or do it CONSISTENTLY I'm not sure). Maybe someday I WILL try eclipse. Though it seems like that'll be a ways off.
My advice is always you should move up to the difficulty you want to play and play it. You can never prepare for monsoon by not playing it for example. You can never learn the balance of riding a bike by riding a tricycle. Getting used to a lower difficulty actually makes higher ones harder if anything. You internalize and learn strategies that are easily punished later and frankly it's harder to unlearn and relearn than it is to simply learn for the first time, albeit even if the experience is a bit harder. That's not always the most fun for people though, so do whatever you feel will enhance your experience, we're all different. But remember you're more capable than you think, don't shy away from harder content if it's because you don't believe in yourself.
Although it's hard to believe in myself when it feels like even Rainstorm is a complete shitshow of getting completely overwhelmed in round 3 despite doing basically everything right.@@RacesVideos
@@aquamarinerose5405 What are your strategies for playing the game? I've found that the things that made me improve the most were learning to just circle around the enemies (which means 99% of projectiles miss you and lots of enemies group in the middle which makes them much less overwhelming) and learning to not care about the timer and just prioritise getting as powerful as possible with items, scrappers/printers/cauldrons and recyclers
Also the game is harder without the DLC in my opinion, the DLC has harder enemies but it has so many powerful items