I’ve owned both rane and pioneer. Both are great mixers, but the pioneer crossfader cut is sharp as a line switch, where Rane’s crossfader is not as sharp. It’s a good fader but not line-switch sharp like the pioneer, for scratching. I have 2 setups so I bought both…. lol
@@PDot hi… you think if I ask Pioneer if I pay them extra money to change the upfaders to make them all Magvel , would they do it or the faders are already sawed into the board inside and can’t be exchanged?
@@PDot oh ok… so how do they feel though? (The upfaders). Because if they suck and are cheap quality and can’t do tricks like scratching techniques on them… then I would much rather get the Rane 70 or 72 as they All are Mag4 pro faders and would definitely work good with a DJ mixing flow… I’ve watched some of pro DJs videos on YT and they all seem to be/ feel comfortable using the upfaders and doing techniques though… (with the regular S11 upfaders)
@@mazusub8182 While they aren't as great as the magvel faders they are solid. You can definitely cut on them with no issues and I haven't run into any issues using them over the years (the S9 and S11).
I was a big fan of the S9 - so I passed on the 72 and instead waited for Pioneer to release an upgrade. I use both Serato and Rekordbox so the S11 checks all the boxes for me.
After playing on the S11 for a long set, the difference is actually a lot smaller than I thought. The waveforms on the S11 have this "always playing catch up to one another" effect that we've seen on other Pioneer controllers with stacked waveforms.
@@PDot good to know because I thought it was a bigger difference but if not then I guess I'll stick with my 72 mk2. It would be nice to try one for a week but no rental places got one
I just setup 2 technic 1200mk2s with reloop elite with phase. I need help trying to balance the tonearm / needles.. for some reason the weight on the back of the turn arm was turned around the wrong way. Ever seen that before ? And if so why ... do you have any videos on how to setup the weights and skating.. I’m completely new to vinyl/ DVS. Phase works great so far... but I really want to try the needles
if you use phase, then you dont need to put the tonearm onto the platter anymore. its the point why there is that phase thing in the first place. Without it you need a serato vinyl and the tonearm attached. So dont worry any longer about your tonearm. get you phase setup correctly, thats all you need.
I had a Rane 72 it was cool but wanted to get back to Pioneer had a DDJ 1000 it was much smoother to me compared to the Range One and the Rane 72. So I'll keep you posted on how I like S 11
I find that items maid by the same manufacturer tend to work better together than with others because they more than likely will use thei own when testing said product.
the rane has a steel body and the pads come right off an akai. nothing wrong with pioneers quality, and if you're in that ecosystem, you should really consider the value as a performer for staying in that ecosystem. but rane definitely went the extra mile to try and make their mixer feel high quality, which is interesting given it is currently the cheaper option
Lol, why use better channel faders when you can cut costs, charge big money and people will still buy it. Pioneer take the piss and their stuff feels like cheap crap, but people will still buy and butch about it.
@@kingsleyrussell348 its supposed to be top of the line mixers, which should stand dj abuse either in practice and competition. well traktor z2 simple 2 ch midi mixer has channel and cross inno faders Rane is better for the money
This review where the effect are concerned is not accurate. The 72 has buttons to switch and turn the effects on just like the pioneer. Once you have the effect picked out it turns on and off with the button on the either side of the screen. So it definitely has the same functionality as the s11
Sorry if I wasn’t clear. The point I was making isn’t turning the effects on/off, it is selecting the effects. You can only 1 hardware effect selected per channel, and to switch between them you have to scroll through them. Unlike the Pioneer system where selecting the hardware effect can be done with a simple button press.
i still use my 57 and 62 with serato scratch and old macbooks /os ... 1900€ for a mixer/serato controler... puuuh thats to much for nothing new i wait for something like the stand alone thud rumble invader mixer but.....
Currently own a 72 MK1, having upgraded from the S9. And there are a couple of things that bother me. 1) Loop controls are garbage on the 72, especially saved loops. It's ridiculous how you have to activate them. You go to the pad mode, then click the loop and then click loop active. It wasn't intuitive. On the S9, it was literally Shift + 4 beat loop. Super easy. 2) The built in effects. Try as I might, the echo FX on the Rane wasn't as good as the one on the S9. Sure it had more parameters and stuff to modify, but it just doesn't sound right. You can use 2 independent effects on each channel, which some DJs might consider a bonus. I usually use echo. On the S9, I'd use Echo, reverb, backspin, vinyl stop. And it was easy to pick and activate. 3) The 72 had the screen and it is kinda unusable. I'd leave it on FX parameters permanently. Never looked at the waveforms cos they were choppy as hell. 4) Knobs. I know the 72 MK2 sorted this issue but in a dark room, you literally don't know what knob you're touching. They all look and feel the same. ESPECIALLY THE FILTER KNOB. And you don't know if it's been reset at a glance. Never had an issue with pioneer mixers' or Denon controllers' knobs before. So yeah, looking to sell my 72 and pick up an S11, cos for my workflow, the S11 has better functionality. Smooth echo and 4 deck mixing is so dope. I just wished it had the S7's Bluetooth capability and midi paddles as well as RGB lighting for it's effects panel.
Thank you for watching the video and for the well thought out comment! I have a few thoughts on your points I'd like to share: 1) I actually think the looping controls on the 72 are better than on the S9. You have more than one way to activate auto loops, by using the pad more OR using a knob to select. You mentioned activating saved loops were easier on the S9, but in my opinion having to hit a shift function means you're hitting the same amount of buttons as using the pad mode on the 72 if you have to pick with saved loop you'd like to use.I also never enjoyed the fact that to disable an auto loop on the S9 you had to shit+ 4 beat loop instead of just being able to hit 4 beat loop again. But it really all comes down to preference and what kind of workflow YOU enjoy! 2) After learning to dial in and save the setting for the echo I actually prefer the echo on the 72. I find that the echo on the S9 can sound super aggressive and can make a mix sound really muddy if turned up too much, which I find many DJs do. The echo on the 72 can get aggressive like that, especially if you use the hold echo, or you can make it more gradual. Just more options. 3) I agree that the waveform screen isn't that usable and I find myself keeping mostly on the effects screen and only going to the waveform screen for quick loop controls and track time. 4) The knobs on the 72 MK1 were definitely harder to see in a dark room but the in-line design of all the knobs made it easier to find what knob you were looking for if you are used to playing on club style mixers like the Pioneer 4 channel mixers.
@@tivathedj I like to have my depth about halfway As well as feedback about halfway Depth is for the sounds beefiness Feedback prolongs the sound, the higher it is HPF 0% for me
I’m wondering why everyone keeps saying that when I record with pioneer I don’t have to adjust a thing when I record with my 70 it’s always too much bass or I have to make adjustments to the sound
I’ve owned both rane and pioneer. Both are great mixers, but the pioneer crossfader cut is sharp as a line switch, where Rane’s crossfader is not as sharp. It’s a good fader but not line-switch sharp like the pioneer, for scratching. I have 2 setups so I bought both…. lol
is it true that rane 72 brings out better sound?
I’ve been a RANE user for years and love the sound over the Pioneers. Both great units but like you said it will come down to preference
You can trigger loops with rotary encoder from the waveform view!
Not sure why?
I have the S11 and I love it...I do wish the line faders were Magvel as well... Just for longevity... Another great video... Keep em coming
Yes I agree, I really wish Pioneer would just make it 3 magvel faders!
@@PDot hi… you think if I ask Pioneer if I pay them extra money to change the upfaders to make them all Magvel , would they do it or the faders are already sawed into the board inside and can’t be exchanged?
@@mazusub8182 From what I understand I do not believe the upfaders can be switched out to magvel faders.
@@PDot oh ok… so how do they feel though? (The upfaders). Because if they suck and are cheap quality and can’t do tricks like scratching techniques on them… then I would much rather get the Rane 70 or 72 as they All are Mag4 pro faders and would definitely work good with a DJ mixing flow… I’ve watched some of pro DJs videos on YT and they all seem to be/ feel comfortable using the upfaders and doing techniques though… (with the regular S11 upfaders)
@@mazusub8182 While they aren't as great as the magvel faders they are solid. You can definitely cut on them with no issues and I haven't run into any issues using them over the years (the S9 and S11).
I was a big fan of the S9 - so I passed on the 72 and instead waited for Pioneer to release an upgrade. I use both Serato and Rekordbox so the S11 checks all the boxes for me.
I hear that! Being plug and play with both is a great feature!
I wonder if a firmware update for the 72 can improve its screen refresh rate.
S11.... I previously had 72MK1 and I know its not a fair comparison but the S11 is heaven!!
Not mad at the choice, the S11 is one hell of a mixer!
Currently own the 72MK1. Glad to know other DJs feel the same way.
If you upgrade the firmware and faders it almost is equal to a mk2 minus the external tension adjust
I was about to get the 72 in early October, when the S11 announcement came out I waited and went with the S11. I absolutely love the S11!!!
That's awesome! It's a great mixer!
Man I just bought the S11. Also have the 70. Best of both worlds
@@djzero7813 which do you like better?
I’m using the 72 but have played with the S11 and it’s great too. It just boils down to personal preference I guess...
I like the way you explain into details. For me I would go to Rane 72
Thank you for the kind words!
why
Why is there a gap in the pioneer s11 on the crossfader and is there something in the settings to correct the crossfaders curve so there is no gap?
Glad to see you doing videos again. Are you going to do more Ableton videos..?
Glad to be back, and even more happy to see you! I will be doing some production related content in the future!
As a technician that fix this mixers, the Pioneer DJM s11 is build better internally!
Interesting. Can you give us an example of what you mean?
@@louro5071 none lol … and the guy went silence mode after you asked that question 😆
😂😂
@@mazusub8182 hahahahahahahha !
I got the RANE 72MK2 only thing I'm jelly about is that sexy smooth echo! It would free up another hardware FX slot
Best comparison out here. Thanks.
The lower refresh rate on the 72 is a bummer - I wonder if there is a possibility of a firmware to fix it!
After playing on the S11 for a long set, the difference is actually a lot smaller than I thought. The waveforms on the S11 have this "always playing catch up to one another" effect that we've seen on other Pioneer controllers with stacked waveforms.
@@PDot good to know because I thought it was a bigger difference but if not then I guess I'll stick with my 72 mk2. It would be nice to try one for a week but no rental places got one
@@Shmack_ way do you like the mk2 better?
I already have the 72. One of these companies need to come up with a 4 channel in a battle style for factor and a cross fading headphone assign.
The closest we’ve had in recent times is the Mixars Quatro mixer.
fuck yes !! we 2022 2 channel is for old dogs
I just setup 2 technic 1200mk2s with reloop elite with phase.
I need help trying to balance the tonearm / needles.. for some reason the weight on the back of the turn arm was turned around the wrong way. Ever seen that before ? And if so why ...
do you have any videos on how to setup the weights and skating.. I’m completely new to vinyl/ DVS.
Phase works great so far... but I really want to try the needles
if you use phase, then you dont need to put the tonearm onto the platter anymore. its the point why there is that phase thing in the first place. Without it you need a serato vinyl and the tonearm attached. So dont worry any longer about your tonearm. get you phase setup correctly, thats all you need.
I had a Rane 72 it was cool but wanted to get back to Pioneer had a DDJ 1000 it was much smoother to me compared to the Range One and the Rane 72. So I'll keep you posted on how I like S 11
got the 72 but i d really liked the 4 channels control from de S11
It would come down to turntables for me. Rane mixer with their tables. Any other tables I’d go with Pioneer.
Any particular reason why you'd pick the Rane with the 12s? The 12s work with any mixer, not just Rane mixers, so I'm curious to hear your reasoning?
I find that items maid by the same manufacturer tend to work better together than with others because they more than likely will use thei own when testing said product.
Yep! That's what I did. I use my S9 with my 1200's. I use the Rane 70 with the Rane 12's
the rane has a steel body and the pads come right off an akai. nothing wrong with pioneers quality, and if you're in that ecosystem, you should really consider the value as a performer for staying in that ecosystem. but rane definitely went the extra mile to try and make their mixer feel high quality, which is interesting given it is currently the cheaper option
Saw your video on the S11. Came to this now - it looks like the 72 has a better headphone cue option than the S11, could you confirm?
I personally prefer the headphone cue system of the 72, but it is all preference. Some people like the way the headphone cue on the S9/S11 is setup!
So I’m new to turntables, I was wondering if I run rane twelves through it would I be able to use both rekordbox and serato?
Edit: run the rane 12’s through the s-11
@@Itsdjsigi im curious as well haha those rane 12s loook deadly
@@ultimatejuju so you can use both but I switched to serato from rekordbox and im never going back to rekordbox lol
@@Itsdjsigi whats wrong with r-b?
@@detroittrickster3327 the layout and functionality of serato is way better for mixing and scratching. Plus most clubs have serato equipment
LEGIT!! I love the S11 so much!!!
Thank you again for letting me borrow this beast for this video!!!
And how about sound quality of s11? People tells not the same as Rane 72 MK2
I love both of them because I have both, l appreciate both companies for all their good work.
They are both great pieces of gear, congrats on having both!
rane with 3 mag4 faders, pioneer with the price point should have used unwearable channel faders.
You would think they would with the price tag.
Lol, why use better channel faders when you can cut costs, charge big money and people will still buy it. Pioneer take the piss and their stuff feels like cheap crap, but people will still buy and butch about it.
@@kingsleyrussell348 its supposed to be top of the line mixers, which should stand dj abuse either in practice and competition. well traktor z2 simple 2 ch midi mixer has channel and cross inno faders
Rane is better for the money
This review where the effect are concerned is not accurate. The 72 has buttons to switch and turn the effects on just like the pioneer. Once you have the effect picked out it turns on and off with the button on the either side of the screen. So it definitely has the same functionality as the s11
Sorry if I wasn’t clear. The point I was making isn’t turning the effects on/off, it is selecting the effects.
You can only 1 hardware effect selected per channel, and to switch between them you have to scroll through them. Unlike the Pioneer system where selecting the hardware effect can be done with a simple button press.
Switched from S9 to the 72 and don't regret it a bit. Honestly, Pioneer is trash quality compared to Rane. I wish I had switched earlier.
I do agree with you, the 72 feels like a TANK compared to the S9.
Rane 70
i still use my 57 and 62 with serato scratch and old macbooks /os ... 1900€ for a mixer/serato controler... puuuh thats to much for nothing new
i wait for something like the stand alone thud rumble invader mixer but.....
I would chose the S-11
Rane 72 mk2 becouse its cheeper and i i hope quality of buttons knobs crossfaders will be great
pioneer s11 is soo beautiful
Currently own a 72 MK1, having upgraded from the S9. And there are a couple of things that bother me.
1) Loop controls are garbage on the 72, especially saved loops. It's ridiculous how you have to activate them. You go to the pad mode, then click the loop and then click loop active. It wasn't intuitive. On the S9, it was literally Shift + 4 beat loop. Super easy.
2) The built in effects. Try as I might, the echo FX on the Rane wasn't as good as the one on the S9. Sure it had more parameters and stuff to modify, but it just doesn't sound right. You can use 2 independent effects on each channel, which some DJs might consider a bonus. I usually use echo. On the S9, I'd use Echo, reverb, backspin, vinyl stop. And it was easy to pick and activate.
3) The 72 had the screen and it is kinda unusable. I'd leave it on FX parameters permanently. Never looked at the waveforms cos they were choppy as hell.
4) Knobs. I know the 72 MK2 sorted this issue but in a dark room, you literally don't know what knob you're touching. They all look and feel the same. ESPECIALLY THE FILTER KNOB. And you don't know if it's been reset at a glance. Never had an issue with pioneer mixers' or Denon controllers' knobs before.
So yeah, looking to sell my 72 and pick up an S11, cos for my workflow, the S11 has better functionality. Smooth echo and 4 deck mixing is so dope. I just wished it had the S7's Bluetooth capability and midi paddles as well as RGB lighting for it's effects panel.
Thank you for watching the video and for the well thought out comment! I have a few thoughts on your points I'd like to share:
1) I actually think the looping controls on the 72 are better than on the S9. You have more than one way to activate auto loops, by using the pad more OR using a knob to select. You mentioned activating saved loops were easier on the S9, but in my opinion having to hit a shift function means you're hitting the same amount of buttons as using the pad mode on the 72 if you have to pick with saved loop you'd like to use.I also never enjoyed the fact that to disable an auto loop on the S9 you had to shit+ 4 beat loop instead of just being able to hit 4 beat loop again. But it really all comes down to preference and what kind of workflow YOU enjoy!
2) After learning to dial in and save the setting for the echo I actually prefer the echo on the 72. I find that the echo on the S9 can sound super aggressive and can make a mix sound really muddy if turned up too much, which I find many DJs do. The echo on the 72 can get aggressive like that, especially if you use the hold echo, or you can make it more gradual. Just more options.
3) I agree that the waveform screen isn't that usable and I find myself keeping mostly on the effects screen and only going to the waveform screen for quick loop controls and track time.
4) The knobs on the 72 MK1 were definitely harder to see in a dark room but the in-line design of all the knobs made it easier to find what knob you were looking for if you are used to playing on club style mixers like the Pioneer 4 channel mixers.
@@PDot would you mind sharing the echo settings? I've been trying for like months now. I really want to give this mixer a fair chance.
@@tivathedj
I like to have my depth about halfway
As well as feedback about halfway
Depth is for the sounds beefiness
Feedback prolongs the sound, the higher it is
HPF 0% for me
pls tell me about the 4 deck mixing ? is it all on the mixer or can you have controller support ?
Rane
Djm S11
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We nned more real reviews like this , when you spend your own money and not when pioneer sends you their product and are force to say nice things
mentions nothing about the sound ........... pioneer sound is terrible it would have been mice to hear how you found the difference
I’m wondering why everyone keeps saying that when I record with pioneer I don’t have to adjust a thing when I record with my 70 it’s always too much bass or I have to make adjustments to the sound
s11
i love sz2 is best
SZ2 is good, but I think SZ1 was better cos you can use RekordBox and Serato on the same controller.
That's a very good point!
Either one is better than the DJm900 NXS2 durability
The 900nxs2 is pretty durable outside of the faders in my experience!
@@PDot the buttons and faders are cheap
Switched from S9 to the 72 and don't regret it a bit. Honestly, Pioneer is trash quality compared to Rane