2g-ACM - Left Handed Spuhr G3 vs WWK AK74 Beta - Part 1
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Ian has a mutant left handed Spuhr G3.
Karl has a heavily modified AK74 and is trying to get it to work for the upcoming HaH 2Gun match.
What will happen?
Success? Failure? Shower of sparks?
We'll see.
Stage 1 here, 2 more to come..
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If your rifle is under gassed, simply feed it some baked beans.
Godo point.
@@InrangeTv DID IT CYCLE BETTER W/O THE ADDED CHARGING HANDLE KNOB? MAYBE THE ADDED WEIGHT HAS AN EFFECT
@@Arussiandoge Fck off Nzi Fck!
LOL! No G3 has ever been accused of being undergassed!
@@roryross3878 G3 + 7.62 brass was the star of the post war German Space Program
Sounds like the AK is shaping up towards a "What would Evegeni Stonerski do" build
He tried to make a gamer AK, he made a bolt action rifle. I thought those were obsolete Karl.
Insanely savage.
both of them are
That G3 is just so sweet.
Yeah it’s a really pretty rifle huh. I love how the modern handguard and stock make it look.
MUH SPLIT TIMES
I absolutely love that one of your RO's was a fairy princess. Makes me want to drive the thousand miles to participate at your guys' 2-gun matches. It just looks so fun!
It is.
You should shoot some super slow mo of that AK at various different gas positions. Would be interesting to see how far the bolt comes back and how hard it impacts the back of the action at different gas settings.
I support this idea.
I am personally curious to see if barrel vibration is lessened but yes tremendous opportunity to document this new ak era.
I'm honestly surprised they haven't do this yet
More slo-mo of everything, please.
Yeah it obviously wasn't enough to reset the hammer on most of the shots, as evidenced by Karl trying to drop the bolt and not being able to fire until he cycled it manually again.
I laughed out loud when the fairy first ran by. The other customers here at the car repair shop didn't appreciate my outburst. I don't care. It's a damn fairy!
Humor is a scarce commodity at the car repair shop. Finding out how much that alternator is going to cost dampens the spirit.
calska140
Finding out what the labor cost to install it can put you over the top.
I guess that's why I still fix my own stuff, ( when possible), I just can't seem to bring myself to pay someone else to do what I can do myself.
Jerry Long
Always a good idea. Some cars though... Holy shit. I've seen cars where the engine needed to be pulled of the mounts to access the alternator I'm not a mechanic so in that case I'm paying someone to do that, someone who's work is guaranteed. Seems pretty evil to put an alternator in that location I hope there's a solid engineering reason for that. Also if your engine design has a horizontally mounted oil filter: fuck you.
As a fellow 74 owner, I really do appreciate Karl buying all of that ZentiCo stuff and letting us know how heavy it is. It's also quite expensive to source here in the states. Thanks Karl!
As a lefty using a stock Swedish AK4 in service, the absolute most annoying things are the sling attachements which make the rifle want to hang upside down on its own. It makes it impossible to carry around regularily without some customisation. I have never considered safety or charging handle unwieldy. Using left eye for aiming means the right side of your face gets blasted with gases and residue from the ejection port which can get irritating (especially when shooting blanks).
Your short stroking was due to the lack of fairy.
If I had not watched the video, out of context, your comment seems insane, haha.
This is almost like Karma after the issues Ian had with the SCAR that the owner had changed the gas settings on.
that 60 rounder actually turned Ak into a bolt action rifle, lol
What would Mosin do: high capacity mag
I just wanted to say I love your guys Match videos. The way you present stuff in a more casual context gets a chuckle out of me, and offers some pretty good insight and information.
I had never thought to use my car's panic alarm during a match. Whoever did that was pretty devious. :]
that G3 is rocking it! great vid!
Time fairies are a rare creature.
So I talked with Ian about this when he was over in Gronoble, but my great grandfather in WW1 picked up a berthier carbine, and traded with the French soldiers in their trenches for ammo, because it could go from empty to loaded much faster than his SMLE.
This channel and what you guys do is so important. Thank you Karl and Ian.
Can we get a slow-motion comparison of "Ian's Super-G3" compared to a standard G3? Just to visualize the difference that stock actually made in regards to recoil control.
I believe you when you say that it's much better of course, it would just be nice to sort of see with our own eyes just HOW much better it actually is.
having shot a G3 from what I can see on vide9 it is significant.
Glad to see you didn't give up on your game after the Alpha build, unfortunately the Beta seems to need a bit more public testing and polish before the full release. But don't let that discourage you from utilizing microtransactions in a P2W model even at this early stage and don't forget to charge for DLC ;)
Also fairy RO? WTF?! X'D
When I read that I was like
What do you want to do with the poles
Watching you guys experiment with and try out new guns with your own take is awesome. Love the video.
Watching this at work and I looked over just in time to see a fairy run past?! I was not expecting that
I'd really like to see a completely new philosophy with a WWKD rifle. The Stoner build was all about minimizing weight while minimizing other trade offs. Reducing weight is always worthwhile, but I think the primary focus for this build project should be about reducing cost.
wtf?....fairy😂😂😂
I about spit my coke out when the timer fairy ran past LOL
That’s some funny shit hahahah
ua-cam.com/video/fhn18QhVzVM/v-deo.html
was thinking the same "wtf?!"
It's the Good Idea Fairy!
So this popped up in my feed today and I thought it was new, was so happy to see an Ian and Karl video again. I love Russell, so he can come too, but bring back the dynamic duo (or trio now).
The g3 is the ak4 in swedish designation. The standard rifle now is the ak5, a derivative of a FN FNC in 5.56.
HK fast mag changes - won’t happen on a delayed blowback, but you can be pretty fast on the G36A3 /A4 due to the new bolt release
A pink Elf! I thought I was watching a "Skyrim" replay for a moment!
That G3 is really nice.
I've built an AK not dissimilar to yours, Karl, but in 7.63x39. I added the Russian rubber buttpad to increase LoP. Haven't added optics yet but I'm probably going to go with an attero arms mount with a micro reflex. The 7.62x39 with a tiny triangle buttplate was pretty harsh, so I put a VG6 Epsilon AK, and a KNS piston into it and oh my Lord, what a difference. Can't recommend the KNS piston enough. So good.
2g-ACM is right up there on the list of dumb places to try stealing a car.
James Healy that sbr-wwsd-mosin Karl made a video of a couple months ago sets off car alarms on every shot within 50yd of the car
I was thinking that too! xD
That G3 gets me moist in the loins...
Is someone still running that sbr Mosin car alarm tester?
Both rifles are amazing and this competition model looks like a lot of fun!
Was that a fairy?
Gun fairy.
i wonder why they didn't try a straight stock and raised iron sights when they designed the g3
Leonardo Sechi Mostly because the G3 is a stolen CETME action, which is a stolen Gerät 06 (I think. One of the Nazi last ditch semi auto rifles, anyway) action. It was a legacy design before it was even introduced.
The lower the sights are, the less deviation there is between the zero at different ranges, so my guess is that was what they were going for...
Not really stolen since it was basically the same guys doing the designing, just working for different organisations :p
the gerat 06 had raised rear sights, and it's like a deviation of the heigth of the sights for zero distance
Ruhrpottpatriot Have to agree with you. It's absolutely in a straight line.
That is one tough stage, kudos to the gun fairy.
I wonder if the gas system detuned itself some how under fire. Just strange that it would work so well and than all of a sudden be under gassed. I'd recommend getting a paint market and marking it once you set it to verify if it moved at all during shooting. If you notice the short stroking got worse the more you shot.
The 'straight in, drop free' magazine release setup (which permits faster emergency reloads as you fellows pointed out) found on the AR10/AR15/M16/etc was first seen 10 + years earlier on the German STG44 series (as was the spring loaded dust cover).
Once had to change the gas setting of my L1A1 mid shooting, that shit was HOT and burned my fingers but it fixed my issues. I'd rather have my gun kicking more than not working.
Karl, thanks. You are the sole dissenter to all this bs Zenitco rah rah! The stuff is heavy and a bit unwieldy on older kit. Why? Looking at the troops they like light!
Thanks for all you and Ian do! As a history teacher, your channel is one of the few personal faves I can recommend to folks and not have to give a warning statement.
I like the theme of this, you two having two “secret” projects and testing them in the same match
That's it. I'm swearing off strong, dark olde English ale. Mebbe it's a lockdown stress side-effect after a long hard day working from home, or something, but I'm 15 minutes in, with a glass of nice Aussie red wine and and mebbe a pint'n'a'half of Abbot ale inside me, and I swear to gahhd I'm seeing Ian McC being shadowed by a fleeting Tinkerbell-style faierie in a tutu.
That's it for me - I'm for temperance henceforth. Got to lie down now. . . . .
That stage would've kicked my ass hard, looks fun. I really like the authority the G3 hits those targets with, awesome splash.
This looks to be a really interesting match to watch with the rifles on show, great job guys .
Karl, how are you feeling about the Hudson with a couple matches under your belt with it now?
I've seen a lot of problematic quad stack mags, so my question is are they any good? I get their intended purpose, but I'm not well versed with firearms enough to understand the root of the problems, could you make a realiable quad stack mag if you for instance designed a weapon from the ground up to support quad stack mags? Or are they just cursed to not work no matter what you do?
casual grand theft auto in the background
Definitely going to need another muzzle device on the G3. As much shooting as Ian and Karl do in the desert, target obstruction needs to be addressed.
the RO in the fairy wings!
Oh... I recognize this stage...
someone went to this dressed as 2B, with Ian getting to man the buzzer for that adventure...
Search for "full moon in arizona" on por- I mean, one of InRange's other distribution networks, the one that has probably caused the most controversy.
Karl's AK in this video was like when you benchmark your overclock with no issues but it crashes when actually playing real games.
I make that exact AK-74N in Escape From Tarkov, so literally a gamer gun.
Always reassuring to know it's not just me that has the match reliability curse
Nasty gas port on the AK. Fussy. Fun run. You guys are livin' the dream. No tears, cheers!
You guys should check out magpul's bipod they're coming out with, looks promising for the price
I'm really looking forward to the WWKD series. The rifle I have in mind is basically (an abuse of terms) an AKM-74S, but in 7.62 for undisputed logistic are ballistic benefits over here on the coast. The complex mechanical stuff I'll figure out on my own, but the accessories and sling choice (what sling, where to mount, how to wear) I'll definitely take from you guys.
GunFun ZS find someone who would dispute the ballistic and logistic benefit of 7.62x39mm M43 ammunition over 5.45x39mm ammunition. Go ahead, I'll wait.
GunFun ZS that's why I'm choosing 7.62. if everything was equal logistically if choose 5.45. the lesser barrier penn and greater disturbance from hitting things like tree branches would be justified by it's better terminal ballistics. And yes, I believe that something "ballistic" (although you don't specify which one) is undisputed by anyone reasonably minded. M43 and 7N6 don't change. Those are controlled variables. The standards are set. Physics had not changed since the inception of either cartridge, so any tests and sounds reasoning holds true to this day.
Squaddies are infamous for braking anything that can be broken and Russian squaddies are amoungst the hardest on any bits of kit, hence why everything is overbuilt and heavy, it will be used as a seat/pry-bar/club/bottle opener.
Wait at 3:55 Ian said that Sweden still uses the G3. I thought that they had totally replaced them all with Bofors AK5 rifles? Their version of the FNC.
Pretty sure the swedish home guard still uses the AK4 (G3).
Only the home guard uses AK4 today.
Ian: Put on a 4x Hensoldt scope and you got a AK4D. Bipod optional.
I like how Karl was nodding his head like "ya your going to change that crap muzzle devise".
16:24 And here I thought Justin Trudeau was against firearms, meanwhile he has been your range officer!
Moonlighting on the Canadian taxpayers dime.......AGAIN.
Oh sorry, please extend my apology to all of peoplekind!
**Standard InRange video to watch while getting ready for the day**
14:14
Fucking what?!
HA HA HA
The Swedish Home Guard might have modern G3's but our body armor is far from modern. It's more of a flack jacket that's not bullet proof, a legacy of the Cold war that only protects against shrapnel which was cost efficient.
malfunctioning ak's, range faeries and car alarms OOHHH MYYYYY!!!
Good job guys! I'm looking forward to 'the rest of the story' :)
You know it’s gameified when the purple range fairy 🧚♀️ shows up to time you.
I can say the TWS dog leg setup is impressively effective and is lighter than a side rail option, I don't know specifically by how much but it takes a steel leaf sight, spring, elevation adjustment knob, dust cover and replaces it with about the same volume material aluminum thats also minus the entire side rail assembly especially if your rifle doesn't come with one (like my ras47).
My AR-10 for some reason only double feeds at matches. I know the feels Karl.
I've never liked a modernized battle rifle this much. Seems so much better than the M14 EBR
Hey Karl, nice setup on that 74! Question, how's the eye relief for you with the Warsaw length buttstock? I ended up getting the JMAC customs Mod2 adapter and it's much better with magnified optics.
I like the tactical tooth fairy.
This is like buying a sports car with an adjustable suspension... you're more likely to ruin the handling if you start changing things than you are to improve over how the factory set it up.
Sure, if you have absolutely no idea what needs changing, how, and above all else why you would need to change it, but I feel like these guys know enough about what they're doing to pull that off.
moosemaimer the KNS gas pistons are pretty easy to set up. Not sure what Karl's problem was. Either he set up for a different load or just didn't spend enough time to get the adjustment right.
+Brendan Blackett and even if they don't, we can learn from their mistakes.
RedSaint83 and the biggest mistake was not shooting the gun enough to get it right. Those KNS adjustable gas pistons are great, but I could tell from the ejection that Karl's gun had too much bypass. I'm running one in a 5.45 VEPR and the proper setup throws spent cases 2-3 meters. Under 2 meters you are real close to short-stroking.
dbmail545 is the adjustment like a FAL, lowest setting that cycles the action + 2?
Karl and Ian, what are your thoughts and feelins on this G3 compared to your experience with the SCAR-H, how is the impulse and accuracy different between the two. Also FOI Karl it would be interesting to see you try a Norwegian/Swedish stocks buttstock, since they are 2 cm longer then the stock G3 buttstock from HK, just to see if what your thoughts are, if nothing else, oh, mudtest on this newfangled G3, even if you have pervious test with Karl's gun, since this new one seem to have more ingress points overall?
Love the content guys. Keep it coming.
Gotta love the range fairy! Is he related to the good idea fairy?
Ejection and recoil on the AK are positively *sedate*. Well done.
Zenitco is pretty heavy, but it sure does look pretty
Jonathan Wassok lighter but ugly > heavy but pretty
@@cantremember6794 Not in the world of tacticool :p
Noscopes Allowed I mean you can still be “tactacool” and light
Could a temperature difference have made your gas system fail you like that? I've never played around with the gas system on a firearm before, but what happened to you reminds me of setting the jets on a carburetor (used to pit crew races) you can set them up and have the engine running real strong, but let the air temp be off a few degrees or have it be a little different humidity and the whole system won't work right.
Man, as soon as I saw the AK's bolt carrier just BARELY making it back far enough to cycle I knew it was going to be a problem. But, like Ian said, this is why this sort of trial and error is important - exposing the problems before you really need the gun to be running at 100%. Karl's not to blame here, just Murphy pulling his little tricks.
Went on overseas training in germany when I was in the army many years ago. Got a silver Schützenschnur just so you know I know what I'm talking about (one pistol miss kept me from the gold). 1 - G3 is indestructible in the field until you lose one of the non-captive retaining pins. I know, how the fuck do you lose the pins between pulling them out of the receiver and putting them in the buttstock? Well, grunts find a way. 2 - slapping up on the mag during loading is not in the manual of arms. Ian did a fantastic job of keeping that out of the process. He would have kept a german sergeant from yelling at him. They hate that for some reason. 3 - Ian did a great job handling the recoil impulse as well. The G3 is fairly unforgiving. But a workhorse nonetheless
That's a nice straight-pull bolt-action AK you got there, Karl. Is it Cali compliant?
That purple dragon fly... Was that Gun Drama Johnny ?
I've always wondered why everyone locks the bolt back before reloading their HK style weapons. Seemed like a waste of time to me. I've been running a PTR91 GI for several years and never had an issue in any position reloading on a closed bolt and running the charging handle as I would on an AK. Mag seats easily with just a little extra pressure (less effort than seating a loaded glock mag on a closed slide). Nothing aggressive. It charges with what feels like no added effort. My reload times are comparable to my AK's. Here you guys are (the firearms mythbusters) saying it's something you can't do practically. What's the deal? Is it my gun? It this open bolt thing actually a myth and something you guys need to test? Is it my large stature making things easier through added muscle and leverage?
Yeah, my PTR91 was the same way. I think PTR has figured out some way to tweak it to make it better, but in general it's found that G3 require a lot of pressure on the magazine to seat on a closed bolt.
They mostly do it because the HK slap looks so cool.
Skogi Brevik mine doesn't seem to require any additional pressure than loading an AR or Glock with the action closed. I actually think it takes less effort than an AR. Locks up easily. A quick push-in till it bottoms on the tabs, followed by a quick pull-out and I know it's seated and I then charge it. I'm running HK marked GI mags from the mid 60's to late 80's. Most were in great shape when I got them. Of course my rifle is a sample of 1. Maybe PTR figured some shit out? Maybe I got lucky with this rifle? Just never had this issue nor understood why others added that additional step.
For a light, you could use the RS BM-1 on that AK. Barrel mount, no need to deal with hand guard mounting points, and super light.
Will mess with barrel harmonics though.
Great content, really enjoy that g3/ak4d build.
I've done exact same thing with the KNS Adj. Gas System. Learned to open it 2 more clicks after it would JUST function.
I love that I can get this crap and Old West Vignettes from the same channel. Y'all are great.
Karl rocking the Type IIIs
Loved the guy dressed in the fairy wings.
Please try your lefty G3 with the Wolverine, that would be a great video to see how it handles
Was that the Failure Fairy trying to jinx Ian after Karl's troubles??
Can’t wait to see the weight comparison video
23:03
Jus casually stealing a car over here
the guy with the tutu and fairy wings came outta left field lmao
What kind of Mag pouches is Ian using? Having trouble finding anything specifically made for g3 mags
Two immediate things I foresee leaving Karl's gun: the magazine and the bi-pod. This is just knee jerk, but when I heard "Revisiting the Bi-pod" I heard "Return/Revenge of the good idea fairy". Of course, this is the reason you do the Beta testing.
The bipod on Ian's FAMAS was surprisingly useful last time. That must been the reason for trying a bipod again.
True, a case if Bipod Envy might be at play. I still hope it works out well for Kyle.
While I love the look of the zentico pt-1, I went with the pt-3 for my ak and it is quite light and very well built.
Wow, the G3 kicks up a lot of dust!
A tacticool but at the same time nice and clean AK, even Ivan Chesnokov couldn't get worked up about it. Dem malfunctions doe... Going with a stiffer spring or a buffer insert would be my first choice before fiddling with the gas block.
That G3 is also a beauty.
I could see MK making a 3kg AK with stamped 2mm g5 titanium receiver on that 6mm universal cartridge they were developing in the 80s. I mention titanium due to the massive soviet titanium industry and its use in military projects, from all titanium submarines to body armor. I honestly believe that they would do something like that, but not necessarily to make it that much lighter, but rather more rigid, durable and rust proof in marine conditions. (if the soviet union hadnt collapsed that is)
Title is wrong, WWKD in stead of WWK
great vid ;) keep it up!