You forgot Ahsoka, mando, grogu, kara:Yes!!! For peep’s sake let the A kept buried, if you want a sith orientated story use the plagues novel as template as Disney should have used zahn’s first trilogy as a template for the sequels. In dutch there’s a saying. Better a good steal then a bad invention. Freely translated.
@ not sure what you’re trying to say by listing characters that are all beloved & served as groundwork for a larger story. Are you saying you don’t like those shows? Personally I like that they’re telling new stories instead of rehashing things that have been around for decades. If they had just retold Zahn’s story or the Plagueis novel they’d just have a different set of pitfalls. I highly doubt fans would’ve automatically loved and praised film adaptations of Legends material. The same nostalgia that makes people want it is exactly what makes it an impossible thing to live up to.
making a 1st season that bad, than blaring in public it was done on purpose is not smart at all. The director giving a job to her girlfriend is highly non professional, and I believe it was cancelled.
I agree. If they focused only on Qimir and Pleagus, this show would’ve been a smash. It was supposed to be Sith focused and it wasn’t. I wouldn’t mind seeing these characters back in other projects. Especially Qimir.
Now that I think about it, I think that season 1 was just setting the stage for the last two seasons like OSHA’s turn to the dark side was supposed to be grounds for her being a competitor against Qimir fighting for the favor of Darth Plagueis and the two meaning Osha and Qimir would have to battle it out to the death to be Plagueis’ apprentice like maybe she was supposed to end up being a Sith Assassin. Personally I would not mind a season 2 as long as they made it so much better like focused on the dark side but with the Jedi trying to hunt them in little tidbits here and there. As for the ending of what season 3 would be I feel like the winner of the dark side power struggle being either Qimir or Osha they would be killed and replaced at an elder age when Plagueis finds a little boy that we all know and loath in his older years as Sheev Palpatine aka Darth Sidious. I feel like this would bring the story of “Star Wars The Acolyte” to popularity making it like a three season run of Plagueis searching for a worthy successor for the Sith Legacy, I know it will bring extreme backlash for me to say all this but I would personally love to see Qimir back at it and how his and Plagueis’ story would pan out
I might be one of the only people who wasn't the biggest fan of the Acolyte but who also still wants a second season. I think there was still potential to salvage some of what I didn't really care for in the first season if certain corrections were made in a second season. I know that even if it did come back it would probably not fix everything I'd like it to, but still.
Agreed. The concept was really good, and still is. It kind of failed in the execution. I do want a second season or a continuation of the story though.
I want a second season of The Acolyte. My problem with season one is with the storytelling and the way the episodes were told. If it had a little bit better storyline and the episodes align more with what we were watching I would’ve enjoyed it that much more. But there’s definitely questions that I need answers to. 1. Why is Senator Raincok wanting to investigate the Jedi? 2. Why are the Jedi of the high Republic so secretive? 3. Why cover up Sol death? 4. Darth Plegas.? You see the master or the apprentice. 5. How did the witches conceive the twins through a virgize in the force? 6. What is the situation between Qimir and Master Vernestra Rwoh? 7. And what Grand Master Yoda involved in all this?
@@jibril2473 1. Don't be such a grammar teacher! 2. You must've read that fanfic from somewhere, he didn't return in Rise of Skywalker, but he was always mentioned by Moff Gideon in the sequel trilogy
I honestly loved Acolyte, and feel like it mostly suffered from common "first season of a show" hiccups. A group of people decided to tank this show before it was ever even released. I will keep my fingers crossed for season 2.
More hate-n-trash fodder for social media….it’ll be a way to release the dark side! …Maybe Jaguar will be designing the costumes and spaceships!💃👗😈🤷♀️
Tbh no actor should take it personally. They should all be like Carrie Ann Moss and, after some sadness, move on with life. Getting attached to a role isn’t good for one’s mental health. Especially if they want to pursue other work.
Love Carrie Anne Moss but her character was dead almost immediately so not much investment for her, easy for her to move on. Not the same for all the less well known actors invested in S2 happening. For them it’s career making or breaking.
If only they'd focused more on the Sith and less on Leslye Headland's persona agenda to paint the Jedi as the catholic church of the GFFA then I'd gladly welcome a season 2. But they didn't, the writing was half arsed, the episodes too short. It's sad because I would've loved to see what happened between Qimir and Vernestra, more of Plagueis, and I can understand why the actors are sad, but at the end of the day the show was not well written and just didn't have the viewership. Anyway, loved Skeleton Crew.
It makes total sense, they set up for something really good but they watered it down with a whole unnecessary "main" plot. They could get away with an offshoot that's focused on Qimir and Plagueis and immediately win back fans.
@@phoenixr6811 It was an enjoyable show, but it was nothing it should have been. There are a lot of great scenes and ideas, but.... it needs a new name, a different approach, and new dynamics. There were lots of problems. 1. She promised a lot and didn't deliver. 2. She was banking on a second season. 3. The Jedi were inept and had terrible motives. Lee Jung-Jae shouldn't have been a bad Jedi, and neither should the actors for Indara, Kelnacca, Osha, Mae, nor the witches been subjected to this writing. 4. She borrowed from the EU, but didn't bring it near George's vision.... I can list more, but that's enough. She can keep writing credits for Qimir, Osha and Mae. I'm pretty sure those are the only characters who would return from her idea. I won't quite insult it with fanfiction, but it's very close.
I'm more anxious for seasons 2 of Andor and Ahsoka, but I'll be honest here. I didn't think The Acolyte was outstanding, but it suffered from a lack of campaigning. The cast was great, and the connections to The High Republic were intriguing. Yes, season 1 of The Acolyte was not well executed, and yes, Plagueis should have been involved much sooner in the story. That said, I do wish that it hadn't been canceled due to hostile reactions. As a writer myself, I hate seeing a potentially fascinating story left unfinished because of fan backlash.
I think they should just recast Cara Dune. If they chose the right actress, one who has a similar look and can give off a believable sense of presence and capability, then I think fandom will role with it easy enough. It doesn't have to be this walking on egg-shells thing at all.
Now that I think about it, I think that season 1 was just setting the stage for the last two seasons like OSHA’s turn to the dark side was supposed to be grounds for her being a competitor against Qimir fighting for the favor of Darth Plagueis and the two meaning Osha and Qimir would have to battle it out to the death to be Plagueis’ apprentice like maybe she was supposed to end up being a Sith Assassin. Personally I would not mind a season 2 as long as they made it so much better like focused on the dark side but with the Jedi trying to hunt them in little tidbits here and there. As for the ending of what season 3 would be I feel like the winner of the dark side power struggle being either Qimir or Osha they would be killed and replaced at an elder age when Plagueis finds a little boy that we all know and loath in his older years as Sheev Palpatine aka Darth Sidious. I feel like this would bring the story of “Star Wars The Acolyte” to popularity making it like a three season run of Plagueis searching for a worthy successor for the Sith Legacy, I know it will bring extreme backlash for me to say all this but I would personally love to see Qimir back at it and how his and Plagueis’ story would pan out
There were only four half-decent characters, one got killed straight away (Indara), another died pretty unceremoniously in the first half (Yord), one got "Jake-Skywalkered" and died (Sol) and the last was Qimir. Every other character was some combination of boring, bad and terribly acted. The sooner they just let it die, the sooner the negativity it inspires will die down. I was cautiously optimistic about Skeleton Crew. I'm pretty happy with it so far, for me it's got that Star Wars spark that's been missing from some Disney productions, and I hope it continues to be good.
Qimir was one of the best parts of the show and Manny was fantastic in the role. It's a shame he didn't have better writing to work with. I actually think a Qimir origin story would've been a better plot for the show than what we got
I want a second season of The Acolyte. My problem with season one is with the storytelling and the way the episodes were told. If it had a little bit better storyline and the episodes align more with what we were watching I would've enjoyed it that much more. But there's definitely questions that I need answers to. 1. Why is Senator Raincok wanting to investigate the Jedi? 2. Why are the Jedi of the high Republic so secretive? 3. Why cover up Sol death? 4. Darth Plegas.? You see the master or the apprentice. 5. How did the witches conceive the twins through a virgize in the force? 6. What is the situation between Qimir and Master Vernestra Rwoh? 7. And how Grand Master Yoda have to do with all of this?
@@YourNeighborhoodItalian correct. They’re so many unanswered questions that intrigues me from that show. If it was handled better with different writers, producers, and somebody on that team that has passion for legends Star Wars that would be a great show to follow. Call it something different have some time pass. You can call the show. “rise of the dark side. A Star Wars story”
He should've stuck to his guns and kept her in despite what Kennedy said. If the fandom is as toxic and anti-woke as has been claimed, then this would've been a win for Disney proving they aren't pandering and would've sky rocketed their ratings overall.
Its weird, cuz the second season of the Acolyte is canned, but i have seen merch (mainly toys) at Wal*Mart here in the States, just last month. I thought all possible merch has been pulled. So why am I seeing toys of the show??
I’m in agreement that this show just didn’t deliver, and I’m not sure a season two has a cats chance in hell of getting green lit. I also agree if they did then it would require new show runners because the cost went out of control and it looked worse than any of the other shows Disney have made for Star Wars. I’m not a fan of the visuals that Disney have created for that age in the galaxy, especially the Jedi robes. They just don’t look serious with white and yellow robes. I know some people didn’t like Ahsoka, but I thought it was really good. It left off at an interesting point in the story, but one point bugged me, there was no hug between Hera and Ezra at the end. That felt weird to me, because they were like family.
Leslye Headland is to Star Wars as Chris Chibnall is to Doctor Who. Good ideas but bad writing, poor directing and questionable producing. Qimir was a gem in the rough. Gino said things that was opposite to the company's POV, was asked to stop , she said more. So they did not renew her contact. If Gino wins in the lawsuit, she will still lose. There will be people who will not work with her.
I think a movie would be more in order. But hey, it was a good concept, just the execution was fumbled. Qimir was one of the best things about it and I think the actor should get another shot at it at some point.
I just wish they didn't wait three years between season 1 and 2 of Ahsoka. There's a risk of fans losing interest; I hope not, but it's there. Still wanting Rome alum James Purefoy to take over from Ray Stevenson!
From all the events in the final episode, we need to see the Jedi temples of Yavin 4 and Lothal, Darth Malgus in live action, and we really need to see the first Skywalker in the acolyte season 2 or a sequel movie. Maybe we can see a lightsaber duel between Vernestra Rwoh and Qimir in the second season. We could see Baylan Skoll in tales of the Empire season 2. Let's hope Gina Carano's character returns in the mandalorian movie and I can't wait to see Luke Skywalker meeting Ezra Bridger for the first time in Ahsoka season 2. Besides, everybody needs to forget the lame lawsuits.
I actually loved his character. But they absolutely blew it. They could have focused entirely on Quimir being Venomis and the show could have been Plageuis vs Venomis for the Apprenticeship of Darth Tenebrous. Like THAT is what I fully EXPECTED when this show was first announced. The show being named “The Acolyte” and pitched as a “Sith-focused” show - all we got in reality is a complete DISMANTLING of the Jedi as we knew them. And that was just unacceptable by most!
They sure made the four Jedi look really bad. I'm not too upset about that part (except the actors shouldn't have been subjected to lame Jedi roles), but I wonder if Vernestra is ruined somehow.
Im trying to dodge spoilers for skeleton crew because can't watch it yet. Also I really hope there isnt more seasons of Acolyte, it'll be a waste of money
I hope it gets a season 2. there's way too many universe effecting storylines. there's plenty of other disliked shows in the past, and they are still complete stories. edit imo a sign of compitulating to your viewers in order to have incomplete canon is a gasp of a dying franchise.
I hated the Acolyte, but, yeah, the butthurt on both sides is kinda priceless. Disney is a bunch of outta touch coprorate pimps... but when you are fans of a *corporate property*... I mean, if you are going to spend your time fan-worshipping vipers, don't cry when you get covered in fang marks, kids. I came for the Mandalorian, stayed to watch the trainwreck.
I liked Acolyte, it wasn’t perfect but it was better than Boba Fett by miles and I think probably better than Obi Won also. Not as good as Ashoka, most Mando and Andor which is the best but still enjoyable. Better than Skeleton Crew by a lot based on the first episode.
I don't see why they can't just do a spin off that picks up where Acolyte ended... that story is over and the foundation for a new one has been laid out. It can still have the main characters but under a new title which Book of Boba basically was... They can feature Plagueis, Qimir, Venestra and Osha (leave out Mae) and move towards the origins of Palpatine over time.
Yes, I’m always up for a spin-off. That’ the best thing about fictional universes. Spin-offs are always possible. All it takes is good planning and solid writing.
After all this time to think back and rewatch the show, I do want a second chance for the show. But it has to bring more into it. It felt like a movie script that was stretched into a show. It put me to sleep. Had to watch it tomany times to get into it. Now I am lost with a story that had no end. Good or bad finish what you started as my father would say.
There are plenty of shows with truly awful 1st seasons with interesting concepts that had people who still believed in the premise or the story and were willing to rework the show or story and let it fix the issues. Streaming doesn't do this anymore, and I think it's a bad sign for the franchise that the first live action story set outside of the same 30 year period of the pt and ot has been so thoroughly retreated from by Disney. They need more people who are like Tony Gilroy in the driver's seat, someone who can stand up to the Disney corporate scrutiny that pushes the common streaming model at the sacrifice of story and plot.
Yes, I agree. There were a lot of regular TV shows where the 1st season or a significant portion of the 1st season aren't very good. It's like the writers, actors, and directors need to get comfortable with the characters and the story before it really takes off. A lot of really good shows were like this. There is this instantaneous feedback now that makes Disney gun-shy around a lot of negativity. the Solo movie got a lot of negative feedback so they turned Kenobi into a TV show. WTF? Kenobi probably would have done better as a trilogy of movies.
I'm watching Stargate SG 1 rn. It's first season is ROUGH. It would have been cancelled today but instead it got more than 7 seasons and several spinoffs. Corporations have never been more impatient and greedy to get returns on their "investments". TV and movies are so much more than parts of a business portfolio.
I might be the odd man out here but as a person who saw the original Star Wars in theaters I really liked this one. Back in the day we never criticized anything especially Star Wars. We just took it for what it was. Even when episode 1 came out in 99 not all folks liked it but we just took it for what it was and it got better with each episode
People are just far too emotional and reactionary these days. Everything is either the best thing ever or the worst thing ever. Most of the time, things are just average.
Acolyte was a much better story than 75% of the other shit out on the market right now. If Star Wars fans really didn't like it, they can pack their bags and go watch the really shitty shit out there... and I promise I hate LGBTQIA+ bull shit more than you do.
Why hasn't Disney pushed KK out yet, her decision to allow LH to go far off reservation with what *could* have been good if it wasn't trying to push her agendas and service her fantasies. Going way over budget is further reason to push LH out in favour of someone who can actually make good SW content. Some of the content was good, the acting was pretty decent from the seasoned actors, if someone without agendas and who understood the fandom was at the helm it would have been a hit.
Yes, there's some wokish antics going on and the choices made by at least two characters are incomprehensible, but I was fully engaged by the story and I liked the setting and era.
I'm probably one of the few people on the planet who genuinely LIKED the Acolyte. Don't get me wrong, it had its flaws, but I didn't think it was trash like a bunch of other people did. The ending was a bit of a letdown because the girls being willing to separate again just didn't make sense. It made even less sense for Qimir to be willing to risk having her running around with what she knows. Sure, he 'wiped her memory' but you can't tell me there wouldn't be a way to fix that. Some issues with sequencing can probably be fixed post-production with some editing, to be honest. But there was a lot of good in it. A story that casts the Jedi as well-meaning but often flawed, more human (ish) and prone to the same issues that we know eventually become their downfall is really good, and seeing other force traditions and how they're treated in the galaxy is incredible. And there are so many questions left to be answered that it really sucks that everyone had such a bad reaction to it. We're less likely to get those answers. And I don't think any of the problems in the first season can't be made better if they felt there was a market for it. Long rant short: I wish they'd go ahead with season 2, make improvements and let the effort speak for itself.
I was usually distracted by her lack of acting skill and don't miss her much at all. As far as her personal beliefs go, she needs to decide if she wants to work or have a platform that will give her free reign to spread the conspiracy of the week.
Do you know why I want The Acolyte to have a second season? Qimir! He is my dream Sith Lord. He takes " seducing someone to the Dark Side." literally. He entraps his victim with gentle words and undeniable points. I'd join him in a minute. Bring back the Acolyte, so Qimir can work his magic on me again!
I won't be watching if it returns. The writing was horrendous. For me to try it again, there would have to be some big change in the writing and direction. As for Gina Carano, I would love to see her return.
I hope it does. I think a lot of the hate came from the more infantile audiences. If you've matured enough to know, you'll have probably recognized the deeper, darker tones and where the story was likely headed. It's not one for little kids with a monotone understanding of morality/right and wrong. At least not exclusively. It needs another season to bear fruit. It is "The Acolyte", not 'The Jedi youngling', or 'the ewok'.
With what Leslye said in several interviews she was planning to do with S2…not only no, but hell no. Manny did great, and there were a couple of other good actors in it, but the toxicity of the lead actress isn’t something that can be overcome. If they do any more on that time period and include her, it will get the same terrible reviews.
Nah, he was obviously “people-pleasing” and telling the crown what they wanted to hear to get an “ooooh aaaah” excited response from them. There is Zero chance of another season getting the go-ahead.
Also Disney, take note of dune prophecy on how to do proper space witches.
i think season 1 was necessary groundwork for the larger story and wish fans had more patience to watch it play out and see what was in store
You forgot Ahsoka, mando, grogu, kara:Yes!!! For peep’s sake let the A kept buried, if you want a sith orientated story use the plagues novel as template as Disney should have used zahn’s first trilogy as a template for the sequels. In dutch there’s a saying. Better a good steal then a bad invention. Freely translated.
@ not sure what you’re trying to say by listing characters that are all beloved & served as groundwork for a larger story. Are you saying you don’t like those shows?
Personally I like that they’re telling new stories instead of rehashing things that have been around for decades. If they had just retold Zahn’s story or the Plagueis novel they’d just have a different set of pitfalls. I highly doubt fans would’ve automatically loved and praised film adaptations of Legends material. The same nostalgia that makes people want it is exactly what makes it an impossible thing to live up to.
making a 1st season that bad, than blaring in public it was done on purpose is not smart at all. The director giving a job to her girlfriend is highly non professional, and I believe it was cancelled.
@@stammetje123dont they call me vader in dutch?
Personally, I loved the story and was looking forward to seeing Moore. I think something else is at play here.
200 million dollars to ease actor's feelings with a new season?
I agree. If they focused only on Qimir and Pleagus, this show would’ve been a smash. It was supposed to be Sith focused and it wasn’t. I wouldn’t mind seeing these characters back in other projects. Especially Qimir.
Now that I think about it, I think that season 1 was just setting the stage for the last two seasons like OSHA’s turn to the dark side was supposed to be grounds for her being a competitor against Qimir fighting for the favor of Darth Plagueis and the two meaning Osha and Qimir would have to battle it out to the death to be Plagueis’ apprentice like maybe she was supposed to end up being a Sith Assassin. Personally I would not mind a season 2 as long as they made it so much better like focused on the dark side but with the Jedi trying to hunt them in little tidbits here and there. As for the ending of what season 3 would be I feel like the winner of the dark side power struggle being either Qimir or Osha they would be killed and replaced at an elder age when Plagueis finds a little boy that we all know and loath in his older years as Sheev Palpatine aka Darth Sidious. I feel like this would bring the story of “Star Wars The Acolyte” to popularity making it like a three season run of Plagueis searching for a worthy successor for the Sith Legacy, I know it will bring extreme backlash for me to say all this but I would personally love to see Qimir back at it and how his and Plagueis’ story would pan out
I might be one of the only people who wasn't the biggest fan of the Acolyte but who also still wants a second season. I think there was still potential to salvage some of what I didn't really care for in the first season if certain corrections were made in a second season. I know that even if it did come back it would probably not fix everything I'd like it to, but still.
Same I want a second season for it to redeem itself
Agreed. The concept was really good, and still is. It kind of failed in the execution. I do want a second season or a continuation of the story though.
This show could have been amazing…. I would watch it for the dumpster fire.. it was complete garbage
I want a second season of The Acolyte. My problem with season one is with the storytelling and the way the episodes were told. If it had a little bit better storyline and the episodes align more with what we were watching I would’ve enjoyed it that much more. But there’s definitely questions that I need answers to.
1. Why is Senator Raincok wanting to investigate the Jedi?
2. Why are the Jedi of the high Republic so secretive?
3. Why cover up Sol death?
4. Darth Plegas.? You see the master or the apprentice.
5. How did the witches conceive the twins through a virgize in the force?
6. What is the situation between Qimir and Master Vernestra Rwoh?
7. And what Grand Master Yoda involved in all this?
Right there with you. Show as a whole wasn't great but Qimir was awesome and I'm willing to sit through another season of Acolyte just for him lol
“Somehow The Acolyte returned”
Now thats a twist i’d welcome! Lol
I hope it makes people angry. I enjoy your hatred.
@@sir_castik that’s because it was never cancelled…it was all a figment of the imagination of toxic fans
The only way they can properly do Darth Plagueis is by just turning the entire novel into a show without removing _anything_
If they get new writers Id be interested to see where it goes
The Acolyte getting a second season has the same vibe as “somehow Palpatine returned”
What are you talking about? Palpatine didn't return, he literally died in Return of the Jedi
@@dylanlyles9453 step 1, learn proper grammar! Step 2, Palpatine didn’t die. He returned in Rise of Skywalker.
@@jibril2473 1. Don't be such a grammar teacher!
2. You must've read that fanfic from somewhere, he didn't return in Rise of Skywalker, but he was always mentioned by Moff Gideon in the sequel trilogy
@jibril2473 calm down nerd its just grammar. Are we getting graded?
I'm down for more seasons of pretty much anything SW if I'm being honest lol
I'm all for it. Starwars is Starwars....... bring it back!
Qimir was a dope character.... He will be missed...
Baylon Skoll…. So intrigued by this character. Truly hope they do right by him/Ray Stevenson if they DO continue his storyline. Such a badass.
I honestly loved Acolyte, and feel like it mostly suffered from common "first season of a show" hiccups. A group of people decided to tank this show before it was ever even released. I will keep my fingers crossed for season 2.
I think Manny was secretly playing a young Palpatine
@@Avedisdrummer09 100,000%. Loved the show too, had so much potential. Would love to see where it was all going
I would love to see a second season. The show had a lot of potential, and I thing it deserves a second chance
I can't wait for Ahsoka S2. 😄
More hate-n-trash fodder for social media….it’ll be a way to release the dark side!
…Maybe Jaguar will be designing the costumes and spaceships!💃👗😈🤷♀️
Tbh no actor should take it personally. They should all be like Carrie Ann Moss and, after some sadness, move on with life. Getting attached to a role isn’t good for one’s mental health. Especially if they want to pursue other work.
Love Carrie Anne Moss but her character was dead almost immediately so not much investment for her, easy for her to move on. Not the same for all the less well known actors invested in S2 happening. For them it’s career making or breaking.
Give Manny his own god damn show right now! Forget the Osha story just make it about Qimir and Plagueis
So much agree ! And without leslye fucking headland...
and swipe the male-up off Dafne Keen and give her a more interesting role
OSHA was a horrible character
@Mark-ud2wf absolutely
I would forgive disney for a qimir show as long as the action was just as good as episode 5
They could savage it but making the next show called The Sith Apprentice, and the third The Master. And focus them.
If only they'd focused more on the Sith and less on Leslye Headland's persona agenda to paint the Jedi as the catholic church of the GFFA then I'd gladly welcome a season 2. But they didn't, the writing was half arsed, the episodes too short. It's sad because I would've loved to see what happened between Qimir and Vernestra, more of Plagueis, and I can understand why the actors are sad, but at the end of the day the show was not well written and just didn't have the viewership. Anyway, loved Skeleton Crew.
It's not even the worst star wars. I hope they bring it back. Left a lot on the table.
I hope they do too.
If they do bring it back get better writers for it my issue was the pacing and story
It makes total sense, they set up for something really good but they watered it down with a whole unnecessary "main" plot. They could get away with an offshoot that's focused on Qimir and Plagueis and immediately win back fans.
The show should have another season. There was too many cool things/people to just forget about them. Just have a different director.
I have to agree. Leslye could have writing credits, but it needs to be someone else *re* creating it.
I’m sorry but that made no sense what you just said🤔. She came up with the concept (writing/create) of the Acolyte how is she not to create it.
@@phoenixr6811 It was an enjoyable show, but it was nothing it should have been. There are a lot of great scenes and ideas, but.... it needs a new name, a different approach, and new dynamics. There were lots of problems.
1. She promised a lot and didn't deliver.
2. She was banking on a second season.
3. The Jedi were inept and had terrible motives. Lee Jung-Jae shouldn't have been a bad Jedi, and neither should the actors for Indara, Kelnacca, Osha, Mae, nor the witches been subjected to this writing.
4. She borrowed from the EU, but didn't bring it near George's vision....
I can list more, but that's enough. She can keep writing credits for Qimir, Osha and Mae. I'm pretty sure those are the only characters who would return from her idea. I won't quite insult it with fanfiction, but it's very close.
If a new season focused only on Qimir and Darth Plagueis, I'd be OK with that. I dont mind Gina coming back.
“It’s dead Jim!!!” 😅
Early wow. I liked skeleton crew. Feels like Star wars
Bring back Cara Dune
Sort out ya house Star Wars
And DO NOT give KKennedy another contract for the LOVE OF JOE!!!!! -_-
I'm more anxious for seasons 2 of Andor and Ahsoka, but I'll be honest here. I didn't think The Acolyte was outstanding, but it suffered from a lack of campaigning. The cast was great, and the connections to The High Republic were intriguing. Yes, season 1 of The Acolyte was not well executed, and yes, Plagueis should have been involved much sooner in the story. That said, I do wish that it hadn't been canceled due to hostile reactions. As a writer myself, I hate seeing a potentially fascinating story left unfinished because of fan backlash.
They could take the end of The Acolyte and transition the story into an adaptation of the Plagueis/Palpatine origin story.
I think they should just recast Cara Dune. If they chose the right actress, one who has a similar look and can give off a believable sense of presence and capability, then I think fandom will role with it easy enough. It doesn't have to be this walking on egg-shells thing at all.
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Utidiiiiiii...😂🎉❤ I don't want anymore Acolyte...
But I would take more Qimir written well.....
Now that I think about it, I think that season 1 was just setting the stage for the last two seasons like OSHA’s turn to the dark side was supposed to be grounds for her being a competitor against Qimir fighting for the favor of Darth Plagueis and the two meaning Osha and Qimir would have to battle it out to the death to be Plagueis’ apprentice like maybe she was supposed to end up being a Sith Assassin. Personally I would not mind a season 2 as long as they made it so much better like focused on the dark side but with the Jedi trying to hunt them in little tidbits here and there. As for the ending of what season 3 would be I feel like the winner of the dark side power struggle being either Qimir or Osha they would be killed and replaced at an elder age when Plagueis finds a little boy that we all know and loath in his older years as Sheev Palpatine aka Darth Sidious. I feel like this would bring the story of “Star Wars The Acolyte” to popularity making it like a three season run of Plagueis searching for a worthy successor for the Sith Legacy, I know it will bring extreme backlash for me to say all this but I would personally love to see Qimir back at it and how his and Plagueis’ story would pan out
TOLD YOU SO! My guess it will evolve into the early Palpatine/Sidious development. But, perhaps you’d find fault with those as well…
I think Star Wars Ahsoka season 2 is going to be so awesome.
It would be utter self deleting for them to recast Cara. They’ll probably do it, they haven’t completely killed Lucas Film yet
I swear Lucasfilm has a grudge against making money
Them and Sony😂😂
@@bryceplunkett8404 and WB
@@anthonybf2 actually, they don’t. $179.00 for a single days park admission, Disney + subscription rise every year and so on…
There were only four half-decent characters, one got killed straight away (Indara), another died pretty unceremoniously in the first half (Yord), one got "Jake-Skywalkered" and died (Sol) and the last was Qimir. Every other character was some combination of boring, bad and terribly acted. The sooner they just let it die, the sooner the negativity it inspires will die down.
I was cautiously optimistic about Skeleton Crew. I'm pretty happy with it so far, for me it's got that Star Wars spark that's been missing from some Disney productions, and I hope it continues to be good.
Qimir was one of the best parts of the show and Manny was fantastic in the role. It's a shame he didn't have better writing to work with. I actually think a Qimir origin story would've been a better plot for the show than what we got
I enjoyed the first season and it felt like it got better as it went along.
I want a second season of The Acolyte.
My problem with season one is with the storytelling and the way the episodes were told. If it had a little bit better storyline and the episodes align more with what we were watching I would've enjoyed it that much more. But there's definitely questions that I need answers to.
1. Why is Senator Raincok wanting to investigate the Jedi?
2. Why are the Jedi of the high Republic so secretive?
3. Why cover up Sol death?
4. Darth Plegas.? You see the master or the apprentice.
5. How did the witches conceive the twins through a virgize in the force?
6. What is the situation between Qimir and Master Vernestra Rwoh?
7. And how Grand Master Yoda have to do with all of this?
I want a second season because the first was awesomely bad and was so much fun to watch and dump on
Remember, you want actual story from someone who was Harvey weinstein girl Friday 😅
Incredible stuff😂. Make another season I’m not the one losing millions or wasting my time on this
the Acolyte has a lot of problems but I’d watch a season with Plagueis taking out mei, osha, and Qimir.
New writers, new director, bring back Qimir, leave the twins out, rename it something else 😂
I was just thinking the exact same thing 😂
That’s not an acolyte season 2…. That’s just something else! But I like it!
@ that’s the point 😂
@@YourNeighborhoodItalian correct. They’re so many unanswered questions that intrigues me from that show. If it was handled better with different writers, producers, and somebody on that team that has passion for legends Star Wars that would be a great show to follow. Call it something different have some time pass. You can call the show. “rise of the dark side. A Star Wars story”
@ I’m down for that forsure. Live action Ventress could be cool too
If they want to recast the character of Balin Russell Crowe is a great choice Maybe
Do a graphic novel and call it done. Leslie and Kennedy could be done for money laundering at this point
good work Meg🎉
No No NO Acolyte I wish they went with Plagueis over the show we got. I enjoyed Skeleton crew and can't wait for Ahsoka and the movies to come
Cara Dune does deserve her place in Star Wars history
He should've stuck to his guns and kept her in despite what Kennedy said. If the fandom is as toxic and anti-woke as has been claimed, then this would've been a win for Disney proving they aren't pandering and would've sky rocketed their ratings overall.
Disney can still do right by Gina and hire her back, but I doubt they will.
If they cut out the story and just do lightsaber combat similar to the first season I’d probly watch it…..
Its weird, cuz the second season of the Acolyte is canned, but i have seen merch (mainly toys) at Wal*Mart here in the States, just last month. I thought all possible merch has been pulled. So why am I seeing toys of the show??
I’m in agreement that this show just didn’t deliver, and I’m not sure a season two has a cats chance in hell of getting green lit. I also agree if they did then it would require new show runners because the cost went out of control and it looked worse than any of the other shows Disney have made for Star Wars. I’m not a fan of the visuals that Disney have created for that age in the galaxy, especially the Jedi robes. They just don’t look serious with white and yellow robes. I know some people didn’t like Ahsoka, but I thought it was really good. It left off at an interesting point in the story, but one point bugged me, there was no hug between Hera and Ezra at the end. That felt weird to me, because they were like family.
Leslye Headland is to Star Wars as Chris Chibnall is to Doctor Who.
Good ideas but bad writing, poor directing and questionable producing. Qimir was a gem in the rough.
Gino said things that was opposite to the company's POV, was asked to stop , she said more. So they did not renew her contact. If Gino wins in the lawsuit, she will still lose. There will be people who will not work with her.
It definitely has potential.
cannot wait for this
Disney can’t keep doing this
Love Qimir - The Stranger. He will make season 2 happen if possible.
I think a movie would be more in order. But hey, it was a good concept, just the execution was fumbled. Qimir was one of the best things about it and I think the actor should get another shot at it at some point.
What was the “shocking tease”?
Thanks Meg! Hello There
I just wish they didn't wait three years between season 1 and 2 of Ahsoka. There's a risk of fans losing interest; I hope not, but it's there. Still wanting Rome alum James Purefoy to take over from Ray Stevenson!
From all the events in the final episode, we need to see the Jedi temples of Yavin 4 and Lothal, Darth Malgus in live action, and we really need to see the first Skywalker in the acolyte season 2 or a sequel movie. Maybe we can see a lightsaber duel between Vernestra Rwoh and Qimir in the second season. We could see Baylan Skoll in tales of the Empire season 2. Let's hope Gina Carano's character returns in the mandalorian movie and I can't wait to see Luke Skywalker meeting Ezra Bridger for the first time in Ahsoka season 2. Besides, everybody needs to forget the lame lawsuits.
I actually loved his character. But they absolutely blew it. They could have focused entirely on Quimir being Venomis and the show could have been Plageuis vs Venomis for the Apprenticeship of Darth Tenebrous. Like THAT is what I fully EXPECTED when this show was first announced. The show being named “The Acolyte” and pitched as a “Sith-focused” show - all we got in reality is a complete DISMANTLING of the Jedi as we knew them. And that was just unacceptable by most!
They sure made the four Jedi look really bad. I'm not too upset about that part (except the actors shouldn't have been subjected to lame Jedi roles), but I wonder if Vernestra is ruined somehow.
Im trying to dodge spoilers for skeleton crew because can't watch it yet. Also I really hope there isnt more seasons of Acolyte, it'll be a waste of money
I hope it gets a season 2. there's way too many universe effecting storylines. there's plenty of other disliked shows in the past, and they are still complete stories.
edit imo a sign of compitulating to your viewers in order to have incomplete canon is a gasp of a dying franchise.
I dug acolyte. 👾💫
I love this news for the fan consternation entertainment value alone.
I hated the Acolyte, but, yeah, the butthurt on both sides is kinda priceless. Disney is a bunch of outta touch coprorate pimps... but when you are fans of a *corporate property*... I mean, if you are going to spend your time fan-worshipping vipers, don't cry when you get covered in fang marks, kids. I came for the Mandalorian, stayed to watch the trainwreck.
I liked Acolyte, it wasn’t perfect but it was better than Boba Fett by miles and I think probably better than Obi Won also. Not as good as Ashoka, most Mando and Andor which is the best but still enjoyable. Better than Skeleton Crew by a lot based on the first episode.
As long as they don't bring back that actress.
I don't see why they can't just do a spin off that picks up where Acolyte ended... that story is over and the foundation for a new one has been laid out. It can still have the main characters but under a new title which Book of Boba basically was... They can feature Plagueis, Qimir, Venestra and Osha (leave out Mae) and move towards the origins of Palpatine over time.
Yes, I’m always up for a spin-off. That’ the best thing about fictional universes. Spin-offs are always possible. All it takes is good planning and solid writing.
After all this time to think back and rewatch the show, I do want a second chance for the show. But it has to bring more into it. It felt like a movie script that was stretched into a show. It put me to sleep. Had to watch it tomany times to get into it. Now I am lost with a story that had no end. Good or bad finish what you started as my father would say.
"The Acolyte" was a steaming pile of shit that needed to be flushed!
There are plenty of shows with truly awful 1st seasons with interesting concepts that had people who still believed in the premise or the story and were willing to rework the show or story and let it fix the issues. Streaming doesn't do this anymore, and I think it's a bad sign for the franchise that the first live action story set outside of the same 30 year period of the pt and ot has been so thoroughly retreated from by Disney.
They need more people who are like Tony Gilroy in the driver's seat, someone who can stand up to the Disney corporate scrutiny that pushes the common streaming model at the sacrifice of story and plot.
Yes, I agree. There were a lot of regular TV shows where the 1st season or a significant portion of the 1st season aren't very good. It's like the writers, actors, and directors need to get comfortable with the characters and the story before it really takes off. A lot of really good shows were like this. There is this instantaneous feedback now that makes Disney gun-shy around a lot of negativity. the Solo movie got a lot of negative feedback so they turned Kenobi into a TV show. WTF? Kenobi probably would have done better as a trilogy of movies.
I'm watching Stargate SG 1 rn. It's first season is ROUGH. It would have been cancelled today but instead it got more than 7 seasons and several spinoffs. Corporations have never been more impatient and greedy to get returns on their "investments". TV and movies are so much more than parts of a business portfolio.
I suspect The Acolyte will be continued, but, in comic book, or novel form where the cost to risk ratio is significantly lower.
Cara Dune should come back for sure
I might be the odd man out here but as a person who saw the original Star Wars in theaters I really liked this one. Back in the day we never criticized anything especially Star Wars. We just took it for what it was. Even when episode 1 came out in 99 not all folks liked it but we just took it for what it was and it got better with each episode
People are just far too emotional and reactionary these days. Everything is either the best thing ever or the worst thing ever. Most of the time, things are just average.
Acolyte was a much better story than 75% of the other shit out on the market right now. If Star Wars fans really didn't like it, they can pack their bags and go watch the really shitty shit out there... and I promise I hate LGBTQIA+ bull shit more than you do.
This show had the best lightsaber fight, with people actually being taken out. One of the best bad guys. Needs a season 2 for sure.
Manny yes! Acolyte No! Bring in new creatives to make a true Sith story.
Why hasn't Disney pushed KK out yet, her decision to allow LH to go far off reservation with what *could* have been good if it wasn't trying to push her agendas and service her fantasies. Going way over budget is further reason to push LH out in favour of someone who can actually make good SW content. Some of the content was good, the acting was pretty decent from the seasoned actors, if someone without agendas and who understood the fandom was at the helm it would have been a hit.
Yes, there's some wokish antics going on and the choices made by at least two characters are incomprehensible, but I was fully engaged by the story and I liked the setting and era.
I knew it I knew they wouldn't end it with a cliff hanger!
*Rangers of the New Republic* is being built upon, rather than repurposed (I hope). I think Patty's project is just on hold for now.
The actors in The Acolyte dont give a crap about the show. The only reason they upset is the actors are out of work at the moment.
I'm probably one of the few people on the planet who genuinely LIKED the Acolyte. Don't get me wrong, it had its flaws, but I didn't think it was trash like a bunch of other people did. The ending was a bit of a letdown because the girls being willing to separate again just didn't make sense. It made even less sense for Qimir to be willing to risk having her running around with what she knows. Sure, he 'wiped her memory' but you can't tell me there wouldn't be a way to fix that. Some issues with sequencing can probably be fixed post-production with some editing, to be honest.
But there was a lot of good in it. A story that casts the Jedi as well-meaning but often flawed, more human (ish) and prone to the same issues that we know eventually become their downfall is really good, and seeing other force traditions and how they're treated in the galaxy is incredible. And there are so many questions left to be answered that it really sucks that everyone had such a bad reaction to it. We're less likely to get those answers. And I don't think any of the problems in the first season can't be made better if they felt there was a market for it.
Long rant short: I wish they'd go ahead with season 2, make improvements and let the effort speak for itself.
I think recasting her would be a really bad idea, there's a lot of people out there that are still very upset about Disney firing her
I was usually distracted by her lack of acting skill and don't miss her much at all. As far as her personal beliefs go, she needs to decide if she wants to work or have a platform that will give her free reign to spread the conspiracy of the week.
Do you know why I want The Acolyte to have a second season? Qimir! He is my dream Sith Lord. He takes " seducing someone to the Dark Side." literally. He entraps his victim with gentle words and undeniable points. I'd join him in a minute. Bring back the Acolyte, so Qimir can work his magic on me again!
I won't be watching if it returns. The writing was horrendous. For me to try it again, there would have to be some big change in the writing and direction. As for Gina Carano, I would love to see her return.
It's an absolute disaster. Honestly speaking even much worse than the sequel movies
I hope it does. I think a lot of the hate came from the more infantile audiences. If you've matured enough to know, you'll have probably recognized the deeper, darker tones and where the story was likely headed. It's not one for little kids with a monotone understanding of morality/right and wrong. At least not exclusively. It needs another season to bear fruit. It is "The Acolyte", not 'The Jedi youngling', or 'the ewok'.
"It can't be Leslie" 💯 get someone else to pick this up where she left off.
They did it when JJ walked away after doing Force Awakens. So what's the problem.
The show needs Bryce Dallas Howard to be the director. She did well in several of the Mandalorian episodes
The power of one, the power of two, the power of blowing hundreds of millions of dollars
A season 2? I got a bad feeling about this. 😉
Session 2!? That's not true. THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!
I’m still curious on the purpose of Darth Plageious being in Qimir’s hideout?
Plageuis probably felt that his apprentice was going to use his creations to destroy himself
With what Leslye said in several interviews she was planning to do with S2…not only no, but hell no. Manny did great, and there were a couple of other good actors in it, but the toxicity of the lead actress isn’t something that can be overcome. If they do any more on that time period and include her, it will get the same terrible reviews.
Nah, he was obviously “people-pleasing” and telling the crown what they wanted to hear to get an “ooooh aaaah” excited response from them. There is Zero chance of another season getting the go-ahead.
It's too early for April Fools. 😂
There is no season 2. Is there???
@@DaleESkywalker all things are possible thru the force.
Acolyte and star wars franchise is getting boosted up! 👍