Have to factor in cost for tranny/shift linkage.. Fuel upgrades (injectors/fuel pump etc.) Hondata and tune.. Also if your not doing all the work yourself then the cost of labor to have someone else do it.. Might be a good idea to add another $500+ on top of the overall cost for miscellaneous items or fabrication.. Great video though.. Keep rocking.. 💯👌
AWD is another one of those not-worth-it things, now. When you could get all the stuff cheap it was a good upgrade. Now the costs outweigh the benefits.
My civic went from stock gsr turbo, to piston and rod turbo with no issues, to a b18a bottom end, gsr head lsvtec, golden eagle sleeved 84mm build, 854whp 519tq. It's gone 2 seasons zero issues and it's still together in my car now waiting to come to life again when I finish up the engines new setup. One and done is what I say, sleeves/css, good pistons and rods, good clearances and good tune.
I know this video is old, but for anyone watching in 2024 VTEC is your best bet for all motor, if you're going to boost then you don't need VTEC , in fact some people say it makes tuning a lot easier if you don't have it.
I just got my first car, 1999 Civic coupe. It’s the dream build, in the future I want to k20/24 swap and turbo!! Goal is 450-500 hp on low boost for daily driving
First build the engine properly get a good engine builder 2nd get a good tuner someone who knows what they are working with both motors make great power on a budget if it’s done right and I’ve been following you for a while man and that lsv was iffy
I have a b20b that i purchased for $400 ans spent 500 on turbo kit, $1000 on ecu and hondata s300 v3, 1000cc injectors $300,4 bar map $100, and tuned at 14psi and i dyno'd 387hp @ 335tq 🤯
@@boosted_john just got the block back from css. Running a 66 borg. Wisco pistons, tuff rods, 2200cc injectors, full bc head. Twin disc clutch. If you have any advice lay it on me. Can always use knowledge
@@onlysends vtec will get you there without putting so much strain on that LS engine engine..you will see how hard it will be to make 700whp on a non vtec engine
My stock sleeve GSR block with rods and pistons made 600hp no issues, I think that crack ringland is build error and a bone stock turbo civic with a b series won’t compare to a built one, so it’s worth it to build
Don't have shallow pockets or ull be buying everything over(motor wise) 5k it blows 😑 then another 5... that's 10k. Numbers don't lie u know. Nice build man!
I feel like you spent a lot of unnecessary money in the 1st motor. I personally would set a realistic goal OR budget. If your current motor can get there build it that will always be the cheapest option. I agree VTEC isn't needed ,but it does help. I have a CRX with a b16a2 since I have the motor I threw Nippon Racing v2 Pistons and scat rods at it bc my goal is 400-450whp. Sounds like we have similar money in our builds but I got VTEC bc it came with the car. Before this I was going to build be D16z6 with YCP Pistons and Rods and get the same power lol. Basically with Hondas if you want 400-450WHP use whatever motor you have (almost) and set aside $2k (roughly). if you own a Honda and want more than 500WHP , throw budget out of the window and have fun. Obviously there are one offs (typically every car people reference off UA-cam) but just a decent rule of thumb
The car probs hooks better with the wavetrac LSD setup it has now compared to the open diff trans you were using with the LS Vtec engine. It probably would have been faster down the quarter with the old engine but we'll never know i guess. Glad its running good for you now tho.
I want to know itemized what all is included in that $6xxx value. Good civic shells around here are $1000.......wuat other than wheels and tires which weren't added in that price costs $5600ish???
Your css built lsvtec should have seen 500+ on e85 with 1600+CC injectors and atlease 340 pump.....whatever you run i highly recommend running 🌽 e85 invest in make it e85 compatible
I paid 900 for my eg coupe n got a 4door integra with a real type r for 1500😁 i ran a 13.5 after just dropped in my eg and hit the track but now I have alot more done now. I'm from south jersey
I have any Eg with a built ls vtec it's making about 430 to the tire This is my first turbo front wheel drive car this thing feel squirrely in the ass end what do you recommend for suspension?
Get your alignment checked for sure.. and if you don't care about cornering then unhook the rear sway bar... You won't see one on an sfwd car for a reason
Hey man I love your videos I've been in supporter for a long time but you have to admit you're tuning must be wrong or you must be doing something wrong there's no way you're only getting 350 with that setup you have I hope you find out the problem.
VTEC is only worth it on NA builds. I’m in the process of spending too much money on a B16A right now so The struggle is real. I’m too far into it to stop but I would have to say that building a Honda at all is not worth it anymore. It used to be cheaper than the GM 8-cylinder builds but now it’s not.
I got a prelude that I have about 12,000 into still looks like shit but it has a fully built H22a Euro R with 100 shot and I have a turbo kit just sitting in my basement from the last motor that blew up 3 times
Stock K block costs as much as his built motor set up. And its only worth it for the lower end torque. The b18 isnt limiting itself so you can make just as much power as a K + turbo. His turbo should have only been good for 400ish otherwise he wasnt pushing it for drivability issues. Most guys run slicks ect when at 400hp in a honda, he isnt
TLDR: Yes its worth it. It exists for areason Not TLDR: No. As anybody who knows anything about VTEC knows: Vtec just happens to be a bigger cam. So you can have the equivalent of the VTEC cam with a cam swap. Yes, better bottom end, then better top end. but for simplicity sake, more oil pressure, reliability and cost, sometimes (mainly for non street applications where power is everything) more power due to less rotational mass and complication in the head, less things to fail. im a bit drunk so correct me if anything is wrong
Ls/b20 vtec is never a good idea, eventually they all fail and dont hold up very well. If honda thought it was a good idea, they woulda done it to begin with. Just my experience. Either do full vtec engine or do full non vtec and stsy within its limits. A non vtec bottom end just isnt meant to rev like vtec bottom ends
Do you think building a VTEC engine is worth it?
I was gonna do a K24 bottom end with my K20 top end with turbo.
Yea i think it is. Why turbo a non vtec when you have vtec motors just imo
I hate seeing non vtec turbo waste of money
@@mrhatchyK24 idk I have a F22b non vtec turbo only 7lbs in my EK Hatch & it pulls hard. Good torque
@@WiffingtonTuning if i had same setup with vtec you will see the difference
I feel like your fully built engine should of lasted a long time.. especially at 380-400hp...
Yesh with the ccs block lsv
K for life
That pic looked like it cracked a ringland (my wifi is shit so its blurry) but if it did thats either builders fault or tuning
@@TylerTheHooligan just what i was thinking
That’s why you go K series
Have to factor in cost for tranny/shift linkage.. Fuel upgrades (injectors/fuel pump etc.) Hondata and tune..
Also if your not doing all the work yourself then the cost of labor to have someone else do it.. Might be a good idea to add another $500+ on top of the overall cost for miscellaneous items or fabrication.. Great video though.. Keep rocking.. 💯👌
Shit a tune near me is 600 itself oh n labor would definitely be way over 1000 but who doesn’t build there own Honda it’s too easy
Lol didn’t realize I watched it 35 seconds after it was posted 🤣🤣
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AWD is another one of those not-worth-it things, now. When you could get all the stuff cheap it was a good upgrade. Now the costs outweigh the benefits.
You can find everything cheaply if you shop around and wait for deals to appear
My civic went from stock gsr turbo, to piston and rod turbo with no issues, to a b18a bottom end, gsr head lsvtec, golden eagle sleeved 84mm build, 854whp 519tq. It's gone 2 seasons zero issues and it's still together in my car now waiting to come to life again when I finish up the engines new setup. One and done is what I say, sleeves/css, good pistons and rods, good clearances and good tune.
Nicee
I know this video is old, but for anyone watching in 2024 VTEC is your best bet for all motor, if you're going to boost then you don't need VTEC , in fact some people say it makes tuning a lot easier if you don't have it.
You should also try different combinations with stock blocks and vtec head , b20 vs b18? , I’m loving where this is heading!! Great content bro!!
I just got my first car, 1999 Civic coupe. It’s the dream build, in the future I want to k20/24 swap and turbo!! Goal is 450-500 hp on low boost for daily driving
Single cam? Auto or 5 speed?
@@codydunnell7951 A k20a2 from the rsx with stock 6 spd manual is what I’m likely to use. Dual cam, highest flowing k20 head
@@infamous5369 I mean what's in it now?
@@codydunnell7951 Ahhh, it’s the stock EX so sohc but I have the 4spd auto
@@infamous5369 d16? I'd just Auto to manual swap and turbo it. A kswap will run you like 10k at the least
U definitely need arp head studs u going to blow a head gasket
…again🤣
too soon lmao
If only I could buy them they've been out of stock since March :(
I'm having a hard time with this anti vtec hate because I have the same build over 500hp for over 2 years.. I think you got bad tuning sir.
First build the engine properly get a good engine builder 2nd get a good tuner someone who knows what they are working with both motors make great power on a budget if it’s done right and I’ve been following you for a while man and that lsv was iffy
I have a b20b that i purchased for $400 ans spent 500 on turbo kit, $1000 on ecu and hondata s300 v3, 1000cc injectors $300,4 bar map $100, and tuned at 14psi and i dyno'd 387hp @ 335tq 🤯
And aem wideband $150 and i sure ive forgot some other little things but i spent under 3500 on my budget build
Love the breakdown John, great information!
I'm building Ls in my integra for 700whp. Will get it. No tec needed
That’s sick! I hope you reach your goal 🤙🏼
@@boosted_john just got the block back from css. Running a 66 borg. Wisco pistons, tuff rods, 2200cc injectors, full bc head. Twin disc clutch. If you have any advice lay it on me. Can always use knowledge
@@boosted_john Brent Leivestad gave me faith in the ls on his one video on pfi speed
@@onlysends vtec will get you there without putting so much strain on that LS engine engine..you will see how hard it will be to make 700whp on a non vtec engine
@@usvi4me1 i get it but I have faith will get it
Budget builds Ftw
you put 500$ for engine, but it didnt came with trans if im right? so you need to add also trans money
My stock sleeve GSR block with rods and pistons made 600hp no issues, I think that crack ringland is build error and a bone stock turbo civic with a b series won’t compare to a built one, so it’s worth it to build
Don't have shallow pockets or ull be buying everything over(motor wise) 5k it blows 😑 then another 5... that's 10k. Numbers don't lie u know. Nice build man!
I feel like you spent a lot of unnecessary money in the 1st motor. I personally would set a realistic goal OR budget. If your current motor can get there build it that will always be the cheapest option. I agree VTEC isn't needed ,but it does help. I have a CRX with a b16a2 since I have the motor I threw Nippon Racing v2 Pistons and scat rods at it bc my goal is 400-450whp. Sounds like we have similar money in our builds but I got VTEC bc it came with the car. Before this I was going to build be D16z6 with YCP Pistons and Rods and get the same power lol. Basically with Hondas if you want 400-450WHP use whatever motor you have (almost) and set aside $2k (roughly). if you own a Honda and want more than 500WHP , throw budget out of the window and have fun. Obviously there are one offs (typically every car people reference off UA-cam) but just a decent rule of thumb
Love the videos, John. Looks like the it broke the ring land because not enough ring gap?
The car probs hooks better with the wavetrac LSD setup it has now compared to the open diff trans you were using with the LS Vtec engine. It probably would have been faster down the quarter with the old engine but we'll never know i guess. Glad its running good for you now tho.
I want to know itemized what all is included in that $6xxx value. Good civic shells around here are $1000.......wuat other than wheels and tires which weren't added in that price costs $5600ish???
that's a lot of money in my country😳
Your css built lsvtec should have seen 500+ on e85 with 1600+CC injectors and atlease 340 pump.....whatever you run i highly recommend running 🌽 e85 invest in make it e85 compatible
Q16 works great
@@Albreezy-xf8hr sure does but was giving more of a availability fuel at gas station ..lol
Maybe out ur was but where I stay it about 45 to a hour to get some E n that sucks
Love the truck John. Time to go awd on the eg. I would have went k series with stock internals , easy 500 hp
Would have to build the Transmission. Thats another $2K
What's 500hp any good if you can't put the power down?
I paid 900 for my eg coupe n got a 4door integra with a real type r for 1500😁 i ran a 13.5 after just dropped in my eg and hit the track but now I have alot more done now. I'm from south jersey
There is 0% chance you got a type r for that cheap😂
Its 100% true. Some kid from Delaware was in need of money or i guess go to jail. I had this motor for about 3 years now I believe
You drive a Nissan?
Fully built and I see cast pistons?
I have any Eg with a built ls vtec it's making about 430 to the tire This is my first turbo front wheel drive car this thing feel squirrely in the ass end what do you recommend for suspension?
Definitely get new trailing arm bushings. Like Energy suspension poly bushings. About 40$ makes a huge difference.
Hardrace bushes and arms and anti roll bar
Get your alignment checked for sure.. and if you don't care about cornering then unhook the rear sway bar... You won't see one on an sfwd car for a reason
Harder rubber or polyurethane bushings. A good set of coilovers traction bar and a good alignment
My prelude makes 500 whp goes straight as an arrow
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This cool dude ..
Hey man I love your videos I've been in supporter for a long time but you have to admit you're tuning must be wrong or you must be doing something wrong there's no way you're only getting 350 with that setup you have I hope you find out the problem.
VTEC is only worth it on NA builds. I’m in the process of spending too much money on a B16A right now so The struggle is real. I’m too far into it to stop but I would have to say that building a Honda at all is not worth it anymore. It used to be cheaper than the GM 8-cylinder builds but now it’s not.
I was gonna do a civic b18 build but I bought a Monte Carlo with a 454 in and you can boost a stock 454 to 700 hp 👹
Same with a K
What brand is that rear wing?🤔
I got a prelude that I have about 12,000 into still looks like shit but it has a fully built H22a Euro R with 100 shot and I have a turbo kit just sitting in my basement from the last motor that blew up 3 times
Lsv at 380hp fully built should last a long long time. Looks like cracked ringland in the pic. Builders fault it didn’t last long.
@Calualu #Music
Kswap with only head gasket new water pump slap a turbo 500 to 600hp stock block Nd head
Building a vtec motor is way better than a regualr ls or none vtec motor by far
You could kswap it and not keep wasting time and money...
Stock K block costs as much as his built motor set up. And its only worth it for the lower end torque. The b18 isnt limiting itself so you can make just as much power as a K + turbo. His turbo should have only been good for 400ish otherwise he wasnt pushing it for drivability issues. Most guys run slicks ect when at 400hp in a honda, he isnt
@calualu music
TLDR: Yes its worth it. It exists for areason
Not TLDR: No.
As anybody who knows anything about VTEC knows: Vtec just happens to be a bigger cam. So you can have the equivalent of the VTEC cam with a cam swap. Yes, better bottom end, then better top end. but for simplicity sake, more oil pressure, reliability and cost, sometimes (mainly for non street applications where power is everything) more power due to less rotational mass and complication in the head, less things to fail. im a bit drunk so correct me if anything is wrong
I sent u an email like forever ago dawg ahah
bruh i cant evan find a block for $500 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
I will sell you my old LS block for $300 +shipping.
Message me on instagram @boosted_john
K is the way
Ls/b20 vtec is never a good idea, eventually they all fail and dont hold up very well. If honda thought it was a good idea, they woulda done it to begin with. Just my experience. Either do full vtec engine or do full non vtec and stsy within its limits. A non vtec bottom end just isnt meant to rev like vtec bottom ends