Skid Steer Quick Attach SSQA vs. John Deere Quick Attach JDQA for (sub)compact Tractors! MythBusters
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- Tractor Time with Tim discusses the myth that the John Deere Quick Attach mechanism for the loader and other front attachments is just a proprietary feature. TTWT shows that the JDQA is actually specifically engineered to maintain the largest lift capacity of the JD sub compact and compact tractors. The skid steer quick attach reduces the overall lift capacity of the tractors (like Kubota) that use the SSQA, costs more, and provides no measurable advantage.
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One advantage of having the JDQA is you don't have neighbors trying to borrow your attachments...:)
While it is true that there are a lot of attachments available for the JDQA system, it's still fair to say that Skid Steer is still probably more common. Your choices in the used market are way more with Skid Steer. Just look at Craigslist. There are Skid Steer attachments listed by the boatload. BUT... you have to be mindful of what tractor you are talking about. The majority of off-the-shelf Skid Steer attachments out there are much too heavy for a sub-compact tractor (even too heavy for some Compact tractors). So if truly comparing JDQA and Skid Steer in this sense you have to only compare the Skid Steer attachments that are more recently being built specifically for the sub-compact market. In that regard the choices are much more limited.
If you have one tractor maybe its not a big deal. But if you have several tractors [not all JD] sharing attachments the SSQA is a better option.
As long as the tractors are bigger than a subcompact, yes.
When you have a tractor and a skid steer there’s no chores
I have a New Holland TC29D built in 2004 with the standard (back then) pin-on front loader bucket. I have been planning to upgrade to the skid steer quick attach but just haven't gotten around to doing it. After watching this video I am no longer sold on that standard. Now I have to explore the JDQA. Thanks for making more work for me!
One of the reasons I stayed with JD when choosing my next tractor was the JDQA. I like it. However, it's great that we have so many choices available to us in a veritable rainbow of colors. There's no need for people to be condescending or scornful about the choices of other people. Instead, we should celebrate that we're fortunate enough to have time to argue about what color tractor and attachment type. There's more important things.
JustinHEMI Amen brother!!
Yep. Agree. I hope I was not being argumentative. I just felt it was time for someone to address the myths surrounding this topic.
@@TractorTimewithTim Oh no you were not at all! I was just agreeing and addressing what I see out on the internet as well, like reading the comments on Good Works Tractor videos when he covers a tractor of any given color haha. It's as if people tie their personal identities to the color of their tractor. Or attachment type. :)
I don't really think people are arguing (when it comes to ssqa) from what I can tell from internet research,forums, etc everyone agrees ssqa benefits, options, availability, etc far outweigh jdqa only john Deere people seem to mention that they like jdqa. Why is that? It's because you mentioned choice and that WE are lucky to have it. But that's not true john Deere owners have NO choice thats the reality! so they have to do mental gymnastics to say I like this. Let me put it another way. Why are their so many different manufacturers producing adapters to convert from jdqa to ssqa. The answer you would think is obvious, but only to those who are not entrenched in the JD illusion. JD folks ironically fail to grasp the significance.
Everyone certainly does NOT agree for subcompact tractors!
Those are very good points. The one big difference is that your local rental yard most likely does. It carry attachments for the JD where as they do have the skid steer QA. That makes it so you don’t have to buy those once in a while atrachments
Local rental yard here doesn’t have anything small enough for subcompact tractor anyway.
Glad to see somebody else that likes the John Deere QA.
It's neat to see people use HLA attachments in the US. Didn't know HLA was that big. Their plant is very close to my place, got a couple friends who work for them here in Ontario. HLA also makes Horst running gears, which are what Onelonelyfarmer uses to haul bales. I'm pretty sure they're the same company, anyway.
We have snow up in New Hampshire it started a couple weeks ago and it's been snowing every little while and we are expecting 3 inches of snow tonight! I like that type of plow it is very handy! Like always great job Tim
Great points Tim but I'll take the ssqa over the jdqa every time if given the choice.
Well now you can have it both ways with the Deere. You can get an adapter. So, if you want to pay the weight penalty, attach the adapter. If not, go with the JDQA.
Hi Tim! I love your channel and thoroughly enjoy your videos. One point you missed in this debate is the availability of used implements on the market. A quick Craigslist or classified ad search will show the SSQA system is by far widely more available. For those with a smaller budget, used implements are a great option and SSQA will be much more available at better costs bought used. Food for thought. Great videos, keep em coming!
...take a deeper look at those used implements. Are they small enough/light enough to be used on a small compact/subcompact tractor?
Yup, I’ve purchased several for my L3400 including light duty forks, tree shovel, and snow blade. Appreciate your comparison. I’ve never owned JD, was too expensive when I bought my machine 12 years ago, though Kubota is priced right up there nowadays! I will admit, as a mechanical engineer by education, all your points on the JDQA are correct and valid. Be safe out there.
How heavy are your ‘light duty forks’?
About ‘230 lbs’, close to the weight of my bucket. Fork capacity is 1800 pounds and they’re made for compact tractors. Buying used saved me a few hundred dollars.
I love the JDQA. 2 simple pins and your done!
The SSQA 2 levers that can be operated with gloves on are I would argue nicer.
@@JoeMalovich installing a JDQA item can be done with Gloves.
...as long as it hasn’t rusted tight...
@@TractorTimewithTim they should come with grease zirks and be part of the 10 hour schedule.
the JD quick attach is not as proprietary as it once used to be. so many attachment manufactures have accepted it and build attachments to fit it. on a small tractor (sub 1000lb lift capacity) i would agree it is the best quick attach for that size machine. anything over 1000lb capacity i would argue the SSQA is better fit.
I came from a 2700lb lift tractor and 4000lb lift skid loader, and both mine used SSQA and I routinely move attachments between the two. When I looked at sub-compacts, Kubota had the SSQA and JD had their proprietary setup which I briefly considered.
When I thought about it I realized that ZERO of my heavier skid loader attachments would be able to be shared anyway, so it wasn't a huge advantage. Now that I have it, I find it is more reliable than my SSQA's which get frozen up and hard to operate and connect at times, stuff get stuck in the top plate, snow/ice freezes up and makes connection difficult, etc... it is simpler and MUCH less to go wrong. On a larger machine I wouldn't hesitate to say SSQA is the way to go, but I am very happy I went the JDQA route on the 1025r and I definitely think of it as a positive over the more expensive and complex SSQA on the Kubota.
While SSQA is a standard, I will also say it's not quite perfect as a standard either. My Kioti (NX6010)'s SSQA didn't fit common pallet forks sold by a local dealer that they swear has fit every skid loader they've ever tried them on. When I measure Kioti's plate is towards the large end of the spec but well within the spec, and the pallet forks were made slightly smaller than the spec.
Had both. John Deere all the way. Skid steer type can easily get fouled by dirt and rocks when doing bucket work. Deere is much more durable just from simplfication.
I didn’t look through all 300+ comments to see if someone already said this but there is at least 1 company that makes a skid steer adapter for all the John Deere tractors. So if you want one so you can use skid steer attachments you can.
Yes you can get an adapter, but it just that an adapter pushing the pivot point out further losing lift capacity,adding more weight losing yet again lift capacity,adding an additional cost for yet another link in your fel it just doesn't make sense! I prefer ssqa and be done with it. But I get your point that its possible.
But ssqa on a bx does exactly that same thing! Adds 90 lb and extends bucket forward.
a bit late to the debate here, but Deere also sells adapter plates to convert from Deere to skidloader quick attach.......
Not totally sold on the snow pusher, mostly due to having gravel type conditions here. I do totally agree that JD's attachment system is great for their compact tractors, plus as mentioned prior there is no maintenance per say. Thanks TTWT...
I’m not sold on snow pusher for my needs either.
@@TractorTimewithTim Well Courtney is OUT of stock on them!. You will have no trouble selling it!
Amen Tim. And that opening in the top of the quick attach allows me to feed in a sling to pick up the 345lb. mower deck for my 3320 and carry it into the back of the barn at the end of the mowing season.
Enjoyed the Myth Busters video. Thanks for taking the time to produce them. Y'all take care and God bless.
It was nice to meet both of yall at the nfms yesterday!thanks for taking time out of your day to talk to me
Thanks for stopping by to talk, Caden!
Nice job Tim. I met you at the show. You asked me if I ever commented , I said no, so I am commenting. Your back pull works nice. I do that with my Polaris Ranger 5ft with a steel edge but cannot get a clean swipe like that on the concrete drive. Looks good.
Cool! Great to see you!
Hi Tim. I've used a 2001 JD 4700 compact tractor for 18 years and can say it's been bullet proof. The quick attach bucket and pallet forks are great. It take no time to switch from one to the other. I also use a JD 8 ft. brush hog that has been no trouble at all cutting 100 acres twice a month 3 months out of the year for 18 yrs.. I'm sold on JD equipment and the attachments.
Sounds like it has been good to you!
It's an elegant engineering solution and I like it. No problems finding attachments.
Hello Tim this is Wayne; I have a Palatine 4 in 1 bucket on my JD 1070 / 440 loader with hydraulic diverter valve along with push button control on my loader joystick that controls the opening & closing of bucket clamping. Very handy bucket, downside is my bucket is a pin-on though. Just thought I would mention it. Thanks, enjoy your videos - great information!
Can't argue with your logic Tim, so I won't!
I have a slightly different John Deere q/a on my 245 loader, but came to the same conclusion.
It gives me more lift than a skid steer setup would. Max lift is something like 3800 lbs which seems a lot, however with an 84" large capacity bucket it's just enough at times.
There's also the Eurohitch, (more similar to JDQA), like my tractors have - so there's three 'standards' to pick from.
I guess the JDQA locks you into the JD ecosystem; you're unlikely to change brands now you have so many JD-specific attachments. Whereas the SSQA or Eurohitch is independent of manufacturer and allows more flexibility. I can swap implements between any Eurohitch machine.
You make a great point about weight and capacities, but otherwise it's just a 'system' and all do a good job :)
They make adapters. So no matter which one you buy, your not really locked in. (Assuming you have the cash for the adapter) 😉
True, although there's both the weight of the adaptor (as Tim points out) and moving your load farther out from the pins. And yes, the cost.
I stick to Eurohitch because that's what all mine are, others will stay JDQA or SSQA, and a handful will buy adaptors :)
@@AndrooH Absolutely true, I agree with you 100%.
Options keep suppliers honest. As does great competition. The better one becomes, the more the rest must work to stay competitive. Beauty of a free market. A snow pusher will be my next purchase, but probably for next year. My only concern with the bank drag option, is having the cylinders fully extended in order for the back drag to work. They're at their weakest position and vulnerable to damage. I have an L2501 and at first thought I bought too big, but after this winter and getting used to the tractor, I'm glad I went with it. These tractor's beauty is their versatility. Great video, and God bless from Wisconsin where the snow just keeps on coming.
They also make addaptors to change it to skid steer attachments. But you would abviously loose lift capacity.
flat 4 if u put on an adapter you run the risk of losing a lot of leverage
I used to think there was no reason NOT to get the skid steer coupler. You convinced me otherwise. The only part of I see where you can get more attachments is going with used. But, I don't think I've ever bought a front attachment used either... Borrowing is easier if you have the same system, but that goes both ways. I don't get to see Tim get this excited often! :) Great video, thanks!
I was probably just cold! :-)
Actually, this is a frustrating issue to me. The SSQA, while 'standard', is not a very good solution for small machines. I think the Deere solution is much simpler, lighter, easier to attach, and in all technical ways, BETTER for small compact tractors.
So, maybe I did show a bit more excitement than usual! Thanks for watching!
@@TractorTimewithTim It would be nice if there was a system such the John Deere's for small tractors and the skid steer system for larger tractors. Those that could utilize the same attachments as skid steers do. My tractor is 45hp and 80lb isn't a big deal, but wow, when all you have is about 400lb of lifting capacity it is a big deal. I have a friend who has a skid steer and I can use his attachments so I'm glad for this system. When those attachments are too big for a small tractor, there isn't a good reason. Sure, you can lift a big attachment (sometimes :)), but can you actually use it?
I could be incorrect in saying this and if anyone has any information to correct me please let me know. IIRC John Deere was the first manufacturer in the US to have a quick attach system for loader attachments on compact and subcompact tractors. I know the 400 series loaders for the 4100-4600 tractors in the late 90s had the current system and I believe it was also an option on the preceding 70A loader that was found on the 655-955 tractors in the early 90s. With the JDQA if someone had an earlier tractor and traded for a newer or larger machine their current attachments still fit without having to replace or modify. In my opinion it is hard to argue over a design that is approximately 25 years old. If John Deere was all about making money on their attachments I believe they could change their design after several years so their customers would have to buy new attachments. Instead of having compatibility between older and newer machines.
Only real downfall to it is the used attachment market. At least in our area hard to find used JD attachments
used JDQA are hard to find, people KEEP them. No rusting out levers and big Iron to maintain.
This channel is the reason we bought a subcompact tractor, so a big fan. However I found this video to be a bit bias/silly. SSQA or JDQA......it's all the same result I don't care what anyone says. We lift 650lb rounds with our Kubota w/SSQA, no issues. The factory listed lift capacity is a bit underrated in our experience. IMO of course!
Did you see our recent video on lift capacity? The stated capacities are at full height...and the lift capacity declines radically as the loader is raised.
Would love to see the same lift capacity test I performed on a BX with ssqa.
I personally think 86lb is not ‘silly’ on this size tractor.
First let me say yes I've seen ALL your videos 😂. Always fun to see those different lift capacity test. It would be interesting to see a Kubota SSQA real world lift test. Again I just think this video was a bit too bias and thats never productive, imo of course!
Ok. I stated the facts as best I could. Where did I not speak factually? What ‘facts’ did I leave out?
I suppose you DON’T think it is biased when a Popular UA-camr scoffs at the ‘propriety’ system while ignoring the reduction in lift capacity caused by ssqa?
I see THAT as bias.
Thanks for watching, and being willing to discuss rationally. Love having you on our channel!
No disrespect intended on any level. Nothing but respect for what you all do to put out great content. My response would be exactly the same for SSQA bias talk. I simply don't think one system is significantly better in any way note worthy. Totally and completely my opinion!
@@scott2426 I didn't see Tim coming across as bias at all. He simply was trying to point out how the jdqa gets a bad reputation when it really doesn't deserve it. I don't remember anywhere in the video of him saying that the ssqa was a worse option? He simply stated that it would probably reduce lift capacity because it extends further pass the "pivot pin" that jd references, and that's just factual. There's no getting around those physics...lol Both systems have their pros and cons. But the jdqa does not deserve the hate that some people give it. My dairy farmer friend told me jdqa was stupid when I first got my Deere. But now that he's had a chance to use it, he likes it. Does that mean he likes it better than the ssqa on his dx35? Not necessarily, but he changed his tune about the jdqa being stupid. They are both good designs in my opinion.
Great video Tim. I have the JDQA on my SCUT. So far there's no lack of options for any attachment I've looked for. For me one of the big selling points, and something I'm surprised you didn't mention, is the number of moving parts on the SSQA. No wonder it weighs so much. One SSQA video I saw offered the tip of greasing the latch pin every time you remove so it doesn't get rusted in if you don't change attachments often. Not to mention the other hinge points on the levers that need to stay lubricated. The only moving part on the JDQA is the linchpin.
Yes. I felt it important to stay with what I "know". I don't have personal experience with the SSQA. I have to let others who have personal experience weigh in on the actual usage.
Exactly! I studied this a lot when shopping and concluded that if an attachment wasn't available for the JDQA it probably doesn't belong on the front of a sub compact tractor. As far as being proprietary, it's not like JD is saying, "don't copy or use any part of our system." Maybe companies that make attachments have to pay a small royalty, but I don't see that reflected in the price of the attachments. Can't ague with math, and you pointed out what matters.
Vendors do not need to pay royalties to make attachments.
Good info on a good QA system Tim! John Deere has been in this business a loooong time and usually have a good idea how to make things useful !
Hi Tim, Great explanation! My JD dealer said that with the 1025r size tractor the ssqa might entice folks to attach implements that are larger than they should. Good salesman, sold me on the 2018 1025r filbmmm2048rc as opposed to the Kubota ssqa Thanks
Great video with vital QA considerations...
Never thought of it that way I guess we have a 4720 and took those attachments off when we got it and went with skid steer just for the convience I guess already had attachments for that. Nice video
4720 is big enough to support SSQA nicely. So, your choice makes sense.
As does yours now that you think about it this way.
I have had a bad experience with skid steer quick attach. Left my bucket on over winter poking out of the shelter. Went to take it off in spring and had to get the blow torch to loosen it up.
I absolutely agree with you Tim! Plus as time goes by.... we'll see more and more attachments being designed and offered for the John Deere system. I looked very close to the lift capacity when I was looking for my sub compact and the John Deere design with less weight was a major factor. Most implements that people look for, are more for the cat 1 hitch system verses the JD attachment system anyways
I think that you do very well comparing these 2 different kinds of attachment systems. Great Job!
I personally believe that there are great things from both sides. However you can not use all the same attachments on a tractor as you do on a skid steer just because it hooks up to the front of the machine. Most of the time, the heavy duty attachments do not pair with a tractor of that hoarse power range and size. (1025R/ around 30 Hp ranged tractors)
Just my 2 cents...
Keep up the good work Tim!!
Have never seen Horsepower described with a sore throat before!
@@Formulabruce Wow I did not even catch that. Lol
If they just stop making the pin on attachment implements, then anybody with an older tractor must know that the disadvantage is that they cannot get parts for their tractor anymore. This is a major concern for tractors that can last for decades.
I'm looking at a bx 2380 and john deere 1025r. I like kabotas front loader lift and tilt. But not a fan of rocker petal or brake location. John deere I like everything but the raising and tilting at same time. Thank you for your videos and God bless your family.
I find the raise tilt at the same time is a minor issue...and I think it is much better on my 2018 version than on the 2014 version.
Did you also consider the cost of the after market bucket compared to the JD bucket?
Best Video Ever! About time the Weight was brought to "bear" on these "QA's !
Tim I saw your dad riding around on his Scooter Thursday at the farm show. Glad to see he’s doing well and out and about. I saw Randall as well he looked deep in thought. I like the points you make here. I always thought the JD system was easier because the pins can’t freeze up like the skid steer style does
Shoulda stopped them! They would have enjoyed talking with you.
Tractor Time with Tim would have loved to but I was with two guys I rent ground from and their body parts were hurting so we were heading out the door.
Well said Tim! I've had a lot of people tell me I messed up buying my 1025R because of the JDQA.
Here's another way to look at it. How many different loader attachments do YOU need? I mean, if all YOU ever need is a bucket and a set of forks then it doesn't matter what the attachment system is as long as it is some kind of quick change system. Speaking for myself, even if my tractor had SSQA I wouldn't have any more attachments than I do now. :-)
Well, even for loader and forks, you are carrying that one xtra 80 lbs with the ssqa....and it isn’t providing any value.
Great points!!!! Regarding the snow pusher, have you got a chance to run it on deeper snow yet?? Do you leave the backhoe on for weight or just not needing to take it off for that little of snow and hasn’t sacrificed front traction?
I just haven’t taken the backhoe off. Have been totally swamped since we saw you.
Tractor Time with Tim I can believe that!!!
I agree there is nothing "wrong" with the JDQA system mechanically. However JD chose to make there own so you are more likely to buy their products. The real disadvantage will always be sourcing or selling attachments on the open market. Eventually all the manufacturers will all use the SSQA, and it will weigh similar to the JD
You didn't bust any myths.... because you didn't address the advantages over the JDQA.
I think I laid it out pretty well.
Good point!! Thanks Tim.
Great video. I have another brand tlb that I like and it isn't offered with a quick attach loader just because of capacities, and it's rated at 900+ lb. Or at least that's what they say. I really appreciate your videos. They have been a great help to me.
Jd is starting to grow on me. I have looked at many lately. I keep going vack to Green.
Uhoh!
Very interesting video. Thank you for a different view of the quick attachment debate. I saw that lifting compactly drop in the Kubota brochure. A factory was to quick attach is great is that out weigh the loss in lifting capacity. The great debate continues.
Hi Tim, are you going to load the rear tires on this tractor too? i have no problem with the JDQA system. i whole heartedly agree there is nothing wrong with it and there are many compatible attachments for it.
Intend to do so...when I get time.
@@TractorTimewithTim
Cool, would love to see that if you can tape it for us:)
10" of snow here in Iowa this morning. Got to get the ol Owatana fired up..
I haven't found any attachments I need or want that are not available in JDQA. I've also never had a JDQA come off during operation but I have seen SSQA come loose at the bottom or fail to properly engage.
Just go with the industry standards and use SSQA. you already are paying for jd name
One thing you'll find when you sell the jd proprietary attachments is your options are to sell to jd owners only
LOTS of them :-)
Great video and information!!
Hi Tim ,thx for sharing great weekend you Guys ❤️❤️❤️👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I've yet to hear someone comment on what skidsteer attachment they use with their ssqa.
What was that piece that fell off your tractor while you were pulling snow back away from your house
think that's called a stick
totally agree.. while there are many awesome attachments for skid steers i would say most can't even be lifted with a sub compact tractor anyway...
also JDQA is usual 50 dollars more when buy attachments then the skid steer
I sell JDQA for the same price as SSQA :)
Tim just an FYI regarding pin on style with JD, they do still offer the pin on style system with the D120 loader, it's a price fighter loader, with parking stands similar to other brands and a pin on bucket.
I do not believe the D120 loader is offered anymore.
One thing I hated on the jdqa was sometimes they would freeze, rust or get full of frozen mud sometimes. Other than that it was great.
Interesting. Those complains apply to the ssqa. Never heard anyone say that about JDQA.
Tractor Time with Tim was more so just in cold weather wearing gloves I found
(old video but new to me...)
One set of attachments that are not available for my JDQA are ALL of the attachments my brother in law owns and would be happy to loan to me...
(He has a Kubota with an SSQA system)
You can get the adapter…not perfect, but would allow you to borrow.
@@TractorTimewithTim I'm willing to do that (especially when I found one on a door crasher sale for $199 Cdn) - but the biggest issue is my brother in-law would not only need to also buy a similar but opposite SSQA to JDQA adapter, but he also needs a 3rd function kit to use my most useful JDQA accessory that he doesn't have (grapple).
Another potential concern is mixing of hydraulic oil. I don't expect this is really a problem but we'd be mixing Kubota and John Deere hydraulic oil every time we shared accessories. On our farm we used to move hydraulic implements around without even thinking about this, but that was many years ago.
What are your thoughts on mixing hydraulic fluid due to sharing implements?
Everything Attachments, Artillian and a lot more companies all offer both style QA's. JD doesn't try to keep all money for implements in-house as many claim, I did a lot of research when buying my first tractor, I was only looking at Kubota until I saw the massive draw backs to user friendliness, they don't have it, everything is a struggle to get on and off especially belly mowers that we were going to do the most of. JD made everything simple and not back breaking to install, However, for the easy of use system, JD does cost more for the attachments than other companies, but I will spend the extra money not to hurt myself working the equipment instead of just doing the work.
Well said !
Everything Attachments has an upcharge for JDQA. I do believe EA builds great attachments that are worth every penny.
Great points.
Personally, I would like to have the SSQA. While I don't dislike the JDQA, the push button release of the SSQA is very nice and my next machine will have that. The ability to switch attachments without leaving the seat is truly awesome, even available with auto connect hydraulics on some machines. Granted, these are all much larger than the 1 series.
Sure, push-button release would be great. I don't know of any sub-compact or small compact tractors which have push-button SSQA release, Eric. ...right?
Tim not sure of any currently in the USA, but have noticed some on European tractors. One was a Ford blue color, can not think of name.
You got a push box nice!!
One downside to the JD quick attach is being able to save money buy purchasing used attachments. There are tons of used attachments for the SSQA, but not nearly so many for the John Deere type attachment. If you can afford to buy all new attachments then I think the JD attachment system is better.
True. But the majority of the used SSQA attachments available are far too heavy for a sub-compact tractor. It's only recently that manufacturers started making lightweight SSQA attachments targeted toward sub-compacts (thanks no doubt to Kubota using the system on their BX-series).
Agree, Joe. This is about the size/weight of the attachments. SSQA is great for the larger attachments. It does not apply as well to small attachments.
Thank you
I have to admit Tim, hearing all that scraping when you were taking off that layer of ice was like nails on a chalkboard. Perhaps you can convince the Finance Committee to get you one of those quieter rotary brooms. =) Sorry Christy, just trying to help Tim get some new toys. And, excellent video, as always.
U say that there is no attachment that isn’t built for the John Deere couplers but almost all of the second hand market uses skid steer couplers and when buying new you will have more options with a skid steer coupler. Not to mention skid steer couplers are more popular and stronger
Very few of those used skid steer attachments are usable on a subcompact tractor. They are too big.
SSQA IS more popular and stronger.
...but stronger means heavier. Weight is the enemy of a sub-compact tractor loader.
I'm in agreement that SSQA is a fine solution for larger tractors and Skid Steer loaders. ...my disagreement comes when discussing small compact and sub-compact tractors. I believe I made that distinction clear in the video.
Let's see. The snow pusher doesn't need to lift anything but itself, so weight isn't an issue. But. You have a forklift base attachment quick attached to the tractor and the snow pusher apparently bolted to that. Sounds like a little overkill there?
Thx. for the explanation. Just saw Deere's vid. on the Frontier Skid Steer quick attach adapter and that seems like a viable solution. Agree on a 1025R probably not using skid steer attachments anyway but maybe on a 2038R.
I would say 1-3 series don’t really qualify for using skid steer attachments. 4 and beyond would be ok. The ssqa adapter from Deere is a good option if you have an expensive ssqa attachment you want to share. Otherwise, just buy a JDQA attachment specifically for your Deere.
@@TractorTimewithTim you may be correct & I need to look into that farther as to the weight and variety of the available skid steer attachments vs just what's available for compact tractors. Just researching/learning & assuned there were at least some that could go on a 2038R & really liked that PTO power pack your friend had on his New Holland that at least theoretically a 2038R's PTO would run and that subsequently would run such hydraulic skid steer attachments (like you I probably tend to push the limits).
BTW, if I didn't point it out specifically, your points re: the Deere "proprietary" attaching actually being an advantage from an engineering/function perspective were excellent. Made me feel a lot better about it. I couldn't find the vid you were referring to on your website but assume it was Neil's (Messick) and he was very honest about it but esp. given the BX's already sub-par lifting capacity the skid steer attaching option puts that tractor at an even worse disadvantage to a 1025R. Of course your in depth comparison of those 2 convinced me that if I go subcompact that the 1025R is by far the superior product.
Great job and explanation Tim.
Great video - get the truth out there. Thanks from all the JD owners.
Michael from Canada
Deere engineering Tim is usually superior you have an awesome little machine great video
Tim... I suggest you do a retained value comparison of Deere vs other tractors after 3 yrs, maybe 5 years, and 1maybe 10 years. (This would have to be with similar hours, condition, and horse power, and options.) Thanks
Keep up the great work guys!👍
I have 2 points to make. First, lift capacity can be rectified easily in house by engineering a bigger hydraulic pump to your machine. JD could use the SSQA and keep their lift specs by increasing hydro pump capacity and cylinders.
Secondly, the lunch pin system is more prone to being a headache from misplacing pins and losing them. Who hasn't put a pin on the floor board in a mindless moment, only to kick them off while mounting the tractor.
That would increase cost, and possibly safety. The SSQA can be a pain if your bucket sits outside for 7 months and the lever gets rusty, and its still HEAVIER than a JDQA bucket. I have had both.. The Pins are hooked to the loader on a lanyard on the JDQA
Did you see the published BX lift capacity numbers? 423 lbs with SSQA. 509 without.
That has nothing to do with John Deere. Folks willing to sacrifice 20% of their lift capacity and $500 to get SSQA
I hope for the 2019/2020 season you will have loaded wheels and wheel weights , it's weight that's not carried by the tractor ,and if you get lots of ice then chains are very effective if you don't mind a bit of marking on pavements and or use the dif lock .
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How many hours a week or month do you use your tractor and how much gas do you use?
Now I’m gonna have to find the video in this attachment you are using.
It was nice meeting you at the farm show
Hey Tyler. Thanks for dropping by to meet us!
Ur welcome my grandpa thought he lost me for 1 second but then he saw me talking to you so he was fine with it
All too familiar with loading weights working in the forklift industry. In a standard 5000 lb lift truck moving the load center 3 inches forward reduces the capacity over 300 lbs. the Hydraulics can still handle the weight but the stability is what is seriously affected. So I understand what you are saying about the center pin distance. Not to mention the increase in the forces the loader arms and cylinders face.
Thanks Greg!
I would be more concerned about Front axle breaking. I had that happen while carrying a big round bale on a tractor. Fortunately, I was going slow!
Very nice !
Nice attachment ,lol them Kubota tractors are $ 30000 here. Ty for sharing
It works good scraping up the ice. How is the heating system working out? Have there been anymore videos or updates made?
We have heat, but it is running very inefficiently
You know this is a really interesting video for me. I am looking to buy a new subcompact tractor-loader-backhoe to maintain my home orchard and one of the things that I have been focusing on intently is the skid-steer quick attach. I hate the idea of vendor lock-in and it certainly did feel like there might be some of that going on with the jdqa. But after seeing your video I am not so sure anymore. I already own a John Deere D155 riding lawn mower but I want something larger so that I can use it to spread large amounts of mulch around my trees, or move spoil generated by planting so many trees in my home orchard. I was gravitating toward a Kubota BX23s but recently started giving the 1025r from John Deere a second look. I also considered the New Holland Workmaster 25s but there aren't many new holland or kubota dealers around where I live in East Central Florida. By contrast there a bunch of John Deere dealers all over this state! The polymer composite vs metal hood is another one of those comparison points between Kubota and John Deere. It doesn't bother me at all though because I know engineered thermoplastics (I took materials science in college) can easily outperform steel in a strength to weight metric. In fact my 2005 Toyota Tacoma crew cab has a thermoplastic engineered bed and fuel tank and neither has ever given me any problem at all! When done right polymer composite body panels are fine. They might also help with the fuel economy of the vehicle!
The problem isn't finding attachments, the problem is after you buy several of them and then want a newer tractor, you'll lean heavily towards a deere because any other brand would mean having to buy all new attachments. John Deere wants you to be a customer for life. They dont want you shopping around for other brands or better deals.
I like the JD attachment nothing to wear out or kepp grease
The weak point on all farm tractor loaders and the area where most failures occur is not even the loader but the front tractor axle and hubs. 90% of the time the loader lift capacity is greater than the capacity of those tires and rims. Usually the tires will mash flat before the loader reaches capacity.
Fair enough. All the more reason not to waste that weight on the SSQA system. Save it for the actual payload.
I have a case mx100c tractor with a quickie loader with it jd/ euro attach and any attachment I want has an up charge of about 300 to make it fit. I bought an euro yo skid steer attach plate and now the only attachment I have in euro/jd is my bucket. But then again I'm buying attachments 3 times the size of what you are. And I am also looking for more weight instead of less to farm and lift or pull heavy loads
Sounds good. Yes, the size matters.
Tim, well you sure got everyone fired up with this video lol. As I mentioned in a post several videos ago, I prefer ssqa. But I will say I'm not running sub compact tractors so for those I would agree 86 pounds does make a difference. But to those who say the maintenance is an issue on the ssqa I'm confused, don't you guys do maintenance on the rest of your machine? If you do then a couple more squirts of grease shouldn't be a big deal, at least it isn't for me.
Tim, have you thought any more about a Massey Ferguson for a larger tractor? Thought you liked that one you demo'd in that video a while back.
Hey hey Tim , maybe John Deere should offer a JDQA for other brands of tractors then folks could see for themselves. If weight is an issue a lot of folks might choose the JDQA. Just a thought.
John Deere sells the weld on pieces to put the JDQA on anything you want! My Buddy has it welded to a JOB-BOX so he can load it without bringing forks along with the bucket.
Love it kubota is what we have BUT every tractor will have its own problems.
Do you have a wear blade on your Snow Pusher for back blading?
No longer have the pusher, but it had a rubber edge.