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Lex I can see you don't believe this sh*t . Our body temp was used as a marker and explore/space and know where cold and hot areas are, because our bodies die... he is right to question, but he is a 2D box trying to explain how a 3D cube looks in the 5th dimension. Anything that is conscious is actively being... and experiencing time, we use clocks to tell time as a tool for our consciousness. how tf are you going to make time into a math equation . carbon x time + a pinch of experience = hawk tuah . You must be in a body like mine to have human experience. the equation for dog experience: dog body +... you get the idea. LLMs will never know all, just needs to be smarter than the programmers to fool everyone. If this guy is right, our vocabulary might be the problem.
@@rosshopkins2063Do you think dismissing OP’s observation is “impressive”? Or that the guests communication acumen is somehow *not* impressive? Because the ability to expand upon the conversation with interesting context that’s relevant while working your way back to make sure you’ve answered the initial question is almost nonexistent in today’s society. It’s a quality you wish all teachers/educators/mentors had, but it’s just as rare in that group. Sad that you seem to not understand the importance.
Speaking of the math used to describe physical theory: We humans tend to ignore a fundamental property of complex numbers: They lack order. 5i is neither larger than nor smaller than -5i. Yes we can do absolute values and other math tricks to impose order (sometimes motivated only by our human desire to impose order on all things), but (-1)^1/2 is neither more nor less than zero. It's just different, with an infinite variety of differences possible, but without order. That means any physical property which needs complex numbers to describe it, the imaginary components lack order. Have no first-last, have no larger-small. Only on the average can they give the illusion order exist. Just looking at the world that way, quantum mechanics becomes an "of course it's all probability waves" and entanglement becomes a necessary consequence. Any lifeform that existed solely in the complex realm would see our universe as a subset of its own -- like we would view a complex maze that a tiny mouse is expected to understand.
For me it's a tie, does the universe go on forever and is there a starting point to time, kinda the same thing as what happened before the big bang. You'd think there would always be a "before" but then that gives you infinite regress and that one will twist your mind into knots trying to imagine.
Great great interview. The most important question is : indeed why the Universe, nature, is ANIMATED, which literally, epistemologically, means "with an anima" = "with a soul"...
He's correct that there is something big about Agency. There is more than just the physical layer going on. That is a necessity for free will, to break deterministic rule.
The possibility of machines achieving consciousness or agency through imitation is considered, although they may differ significantly from human experience.
I damn near had a panic attack the other night thinking about how we don’t know how everything really started lol. Like the Big Bang, what happened before that and whatever did happen, what happened before that.. we will probably never know, at least not in my lifetime.
We will never know. One way to get over stuff like that is to tell yourself it is what it is. I've been ok to this point..knowing or not knowing doesn't change my current experience. The truth is in what it is. And I am ok. I've been ok. Thay kind of thing.
Thats like being the furthest north on this planet. You can't get farther north past a certain point. . That's what the premise is like when it comes to the question " what came before the big bang " . Hard to guess or go farther in the question than that.
Rewatch the video, it's not human-centric. It's the fact that "being" is the foundation for everything else. If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear then it doesn't make a sound. The surroundings would resonate, but sound happens in the ear
I have come to the conclusion, after living over 70 years and reading many "hard science" books, is that our ancestors were right. Life is a separate force, just as we currently believe gravity wells are a force, electromagnetism is a force and the nuclear force holding an atom's protons & neutron's together is a force. When Michael Creighton wrote "Life finds a way." he was writing about how we can recognize the Life Force. Must every force have an anti-force? Gravity doesn't seem to, but some think it might. Electromagnetism, with positive and negative forces and North and South poles, is a very visible example of a dance of force and anti force. What happens within atom keeps getting more "layered" and complicated, but again it's a dance of different things. Maybe not anti-each other as we macro creatures tend to think of anti forces. Then matter and anti matter -- which again just might be a very slow dance of the universe as a whole swaying between first now, then later one or the other being the predominant form for most of the matter in the universe. Likewise life and not life might dance between the two, continuously, both in the rock you hold and your hand holding the rock. There is something that would eliminate all life if it could. There is something outside this reality that would make all things conscious (alive) if it could, that must work hard to punch through to ignite a life spark. Once through, one spark can ignite another spark, but -- like a forest fire raging -- even a massive life igniting can be extinguished. What is the first igniting? A living consciousness deliberately observing the world and by observing creating it? But does that mean it, too, was created by a greater consciousness? But then that implies the universe is layers of greater and greater igniting wills just like the nucleus seems to be an endless line of "fundamental" force-particles. That the correct translation of "as above so below" should have been "As beyond, so within."
The terms "observer" and "measurement" is the biggest issue in quantum mechanics, because it implies consciousness. That was never the intention and Schrödinger's cat is actually a paradox addressing that issue. It doesn't make any sense to assume, the cat is both, dead and alive, until observed. The full paradox extents it to an assistant, observing the cat in a totally isolated lab. Does the superposition translate to the assistant? Do cat and assistant share a superposition, until Mr. Schrödinger opens the door? What if Mr. Schrödinger uses the intercom from and adjacent isolated lab? Is the wavefront a local phenomenon? What if the assistant is lying? Is the cat dead in one lab and alive in the other?
The thing is, is the cat is detached from our perception of “knowing” anything. Life/death is binary. I always thought Schrödingers cat is a lazy and irrelevant subject. It’s like saying when a bear smells a cooking steak, both the experience the bear brain sends has of smelling the steak, the feeling its brain causes, exists equal to the particles the steak gives off as smell and that are the same as the physical steak.
Schrödinger’s intention was to show exactly that measurement requires an observer. Lex then takes this idea and extends it to the philosophical realm and concludes that simply having an observer implies consciousness. ( he calls it an illusion). Because Yes, the laser is technically the observer but who placed the laser there in the first place?
What is life? Life is like a big obstacle In front of your optical to slow you down And every time you think you've gotten past it It's gonna come back around to tackle you to the damn ground
Only from our perspective. In other parts of the universe there might be life everywhere and they have the opposite position. We are in an isolated bubble afterall. And it all depends on what level of life you mean. But the universe is infinite potentiality. Everything and nothing is waiting out there. But at the end of the day we are just self aware software, experiencing "reality" through electromagnetic frequencies. Are you even in this universe when you sleep and shift waves?
@@D1str1ct I said life. I wasn't even specific because I don't have to be. How about life as we know it? So tell me: What other planets or moons are there life on? You cant even mention one. You can stuff your "buts" and "ifs" in a sack. My point still stands. Scientists and hippies like to yada yada about life in the universe but the truth is life is only on Earth. So far. Please keep your mumbo jumbo to yourself. You are clearly more asleep than awake. So much for reality. Oh the humanity. Just monkeys on a planet thinking they know so much. Yet they know SO little. Get well soon.
@ are you well? There are more stars in the sky than there is sand on this planet. As I also said, we are in an isolated area of space. We seem to have a void around us. Also, we are nothing more than software, creating the realities around us. So if people want to experience an abundant universe of aliens, they can. Doesn’t mean you have to or your perspective of reality is dominant. It’s just how it is. We are nothing more than self aware electromagnetic impulses. Have you researched microtubules?
Blind Spot, great choice!!!!! The "conscious" , sub-consciuos, no conscious. Favorite optical illusions; the empty circle & the two parallel lines and the convergence of the two vertical lines horizontally and/or vertical parallel lines into a single continuous line in the EMPTY CIRCLE(imagination). Learned or inate repasentaion of trees & distant horizons.
Yes, and when I imagined things I also see those things without using my eyes. It's not some deep enigmatic, esoteric knowledge possessed by only a select few 😂
Adam Franks explanations are so intuitive and sensible. He cleanly dismissed numerous weird theories that have irked me since learning them. The many worlds theory (lazy garbage). The block universe (incongruent with experience). Love this so much!
It seems pretty obvious that once the universe obtained a state where energy slowed to a point where particles/time emerged consciousness also emerged. I see it as remnants of excess or absorbed/entangled/shared energy or the lack of acceleration or even lack of expansion that governs all of these descriptions which are all the same thing. The cosmos has the original consciousness and local consciousness is becoming more complex but ultimately has a feedback loop to base universal consciousness that is not static. I think most people know this to be true just all language limits us by not being able to share this feeling outside conventional reality coherently. It probably doesn’t need to be explained but shared through stories and experiences.
This guy should hold hands with Jordan Peterson, and watch the sunset together :) Then kiss, spend the night together and next morning discuss each others’ brilliant ideas ❤
Hi Lex. I think the Universe is a frame and a canvas. We are the pictures painted on those canvasses, of which there are an unknown plenty. Happy New Year
I don't understand why measurement is a problem at quantum levels if things resolve predictably in the macro universe. Is it that we don't know at what threshold the variability dissipates?
@@oninoyakamobecause it’s more like that measurement is possible at that level but we have something “wrong” in our assumptions and theories… our entire foundation is based off of incomplete “theories” where the math falls apart… black holes for instance…
@oninoyakamo I don't think it's viewed as a problem. Its just hard to really grasp the concept of it. We do understand it somewhat and how it behaves or we wouldn't have microchips and computers. Or better I say, some people understand it. I just dabble with MiT's free courses on UA-cam.
20:34 did somebody open a glass door or something? I know I should be paying attention to the discussion, but my ADD saw that flash & completely derailed me... 😂
Experience doesn’t experience itself. You must have a noun in order to experience the verb. How can anything have an experience if it isn’t there to begin with. It’s not that complicated.
The mind understands the things of the brain, the brain understands the things of the body, the body understands the things of the Earth, the Earth understands the things of the mind; mathematics lead by way of the word, the word (written, spoken, body language etc.) reveals by way of reduction, the reduction follows the route of the math... ... gifts - tools for us to find light and spread light. It's that simple. Without us, less information is accounted for... The word is like a rainbow, always alluding to a gold pot but never revealing it. Math is like the pot of gold, yet never free from the "rainbow" (or order) of the word. The two have a nature that, when exercised by a mind undisturbed, harnesses the things of the aether. That means looking inward, and where ethics come in... That's the point of "free will," in that it isn't about choice, but *intent. We contend with things of the lower realm to access awareness and learning. Poor attention to lower things leads to less light/understanding... Treat this star and each other well. There is no other way.
We need a learned panel to discuss agency with regard to AI. Are they (AI ) the experiential observer when a quantum measurement is made, or is it us and they just our tools.
What I get from science is that we are but a small piece of a whole that has the fortunate capacity to study this within the realm of the senses we have. I find that very uplifting and spiritual in the sense that it gives me goosebumps. Science makes the universe far more wondrous and mystifying than the bald assertions and assumptions attributed with the empty god claims.
The Biggest mystery in Science is the only question we all ask ourselves; "What is consciousness and where does it go when we Die?" All other questions pale in comparison and could possibly be found within that single answer.
Only two possibilities, either (1) at death electrical circuits in the nervous system go dead, or(2) at death the spirit that inhabited the nervous system passed into the next realm and lived on in another form. Little do I know?
@@davidrichards2113 Those are two well shared theories among Humans, however, we must first ask- Aren't these theories also simply being rationalized by a being that only has access to less than 1/billionth of the available information? If the Electrical system breaks down, where does the energy go? If it is a Sprit, that moves on, what energizes it? More questions arise and the cycle continues.. For the record.. We only know what we know, by comparing it to what we know we don't know and soon we discover, We don't know much of anything, even about what we know ; )
@@Jcs57 If the energy is only converted into metabolic activity, great but.that conversion rarely stops...it continues on well after Death. We are made up of more Bacteria than Human so, when does the Human ''death'' matter at all? The maggots, worms, and bacteria convert the stored energy of the body,, then plants use their stored and converted energy to grow and turn into dirt...The dirt uses that energy to grow fungus and those in turn help form salts and Rocks and those make up the Earth, which is converted yet again by the Gravity into magma and all of the above is converted once again into its the elemental forms that build every life form on this planet. So, that only raises another quandary into when that "Conversion" would actually be completed and where does the human and bacteria become one or separate entities? So, even if we answer the first part with ease and say the energy is simply converted, that does not address the Consciousness part, which, in our reality, is in fact the most mysterious question of them all. because, in the absence of a consciousness, we have no way of questioning anything at all and would thusly, discover nothing.
Ok. But take your temperature example. Our experience does not match reality. And when your trying to understand reality. Our experience doesn't matter. If we did science based only on experience we should shut down all gama, xray, and infrared telescopes. And we'd stop all learning. My point is we didn't forget the meaning behind the measurement. We realized the measurement had significant meaning to the fundamental ways the universe worked. And that that meaning isn't natively meaning to us. And that we needed ways to describe these reduced elements in a way we can understand. Which is our processes. We didn't loose it. We discovered it wasn't about us.
Nothing he said suggests any kind of magical thing behind consciousness. There's absolutely no evidence suggesting consciousness, or personal experience, is some magical or special thing beyond the physical. We just think it is because we have it. Of course it's interesting and we should study it, but thinking we are some miracle beyond the physical that needs a special explanation is completely subjective. Besides, the word consciousness is an ill-defined word.
12:37 I think there's something this gentleman is omitting entirely which could actually answer his conundrum about groups which either glorify or ignore "sciencism" and address the experiential nature of WHY we study these categories within the scope of experience- GOD. Look back over the last 1500 years or so. While I'll be the first to admit that it has its ups and downs, a huge proportion of the work done to explain the natural world & processes came from the Catholic Church. Most of the men studying mathematics, cosmology, physics, and the other natural sciences were party of the Catholic Church. They didn't do this to try and disprove God, in fact it was the exact opposite. They understood that God is a rational being who made the laws of nature in a way that we could observe, inspect, and describe. God makes no contradictions, so His Creation will also retain that fundamental principle. These men were both honoring God and trying to gain a better understanding of His work through the use of scientific processes (both observational and theoretical). To dismiss this outright is IDENTICAL to the objection whereby some people dismiss science as described shortly before this timestamp. Also, I am 100% opposed to the conclusion of the "observer" causing wave function collapse in quantized systems. There is a very good reason why we see both waves and particles in the Double Slit experiment. In order to measure these quantized particles and their location, we HAVE to add a device between the slit and the detector. This device also MUST add some type of energy into the system to identify the position of the quantized particles. This addes energy gets added into the the wave-function and causes a type of interference whereby it collapses to definite values and then presents attributes like a particle. There is no "retro-causality" or time travel. These quantum systems are NOT communicating faster than light. This is one of those fields that's overflowing with miscommunication, pseudoscience, lies, stupidity, exaggeration, misinderstanding, and replacing real data with "Woo-Woo" nonsense. Quantum physics is an incredibly cool field of study, but we understand enough about it today to where none of these silly conjectures or false claims should have any influence in the scientific community.v ... and yet...IT SOMEHOW STILL DOES
I think everybody's missing the real question. The real question is why does matter have the propensity to organize itself into higher orders of things like plants and animals and humans and algae and fish and everything else why does this propensity exist?
A living organism is a source of negentropy. Organisation - in an apparent violation of the Second Law of Thermodynamics - is maintained within the organism, and there is corresponding disorder in the organism's environment (so the Second Law of Thermodynamics is not violated).
“Our job is to point out the problems. Not to find solutions”. God, what a bs machine.. It’s really hard to listen to when one is used to Lex’s standards of mental rigour
The fire/being/consciousness/God...could be used interchangeably. The thing they have a common is they are all directly Imperceivable. Maybe there's a link between that and dark matter.
C.S. Peirce On a New List of Categories. Peirce surpassed both Whitehead and Husserl but he married a 'woman of ill repute' and was blackballed and his work sat in a Harvard basement for half a decade.
Please let's get me on your show with this man right here. I think he's someone that would understand exactly exactly what I'm trying to share with you. So think of the thing she's talking about about a measuring things and the problem of coming up with something that more than one perspective can agree upon and understand as a measurement and that is the root of reality in itself because all things are measurements and and when there is nothing there in the first place no landmarks no person to do the measuring and no tool like a clock or a tape measure or some other thing then the very first measurement must always be made arbitrarily and from a subjective point of reference in other words it must just be a guess or a a sudden decision or just reacting to the circumstances one find one self Within. But this is something I like to use to demonstrate the fact that the plank unit is not a limit it is just a reset point because when you're talking about size that only matters when you are within time and space because the universe itself can shrink or grow infinitely and there is nothing to say that it can't because there's nothing to measure it against. No matter how small the universe gets there is no telling that it's that small because there's nothing to measure it against and all the time and spaces within it anyways. Will accept that it's within a larger universe itself because every universe is just a particle basically. So once you set up the measuring point and all that then you can start measuring it empirically and with objective results. And he's on to something talking about hot and cold and the fact that we decide what hot and cold is but there's one thing about thermal energy that we don't decide and that's what temperature absolute zero is because absolute zero is the lack of thermal energy it's not a subjective arbitrarily decided gas like hot and cold or opinion like hot and cold is literally the absence of thermal energy and that's a magical thing right there. That's just like the real numbers in the bank account I can show you guys a very special and brand new way of doing mathematics that no one else has ever done that are completely brand new that I'm creating if you guys would just listen to me
Actually the mistake you were making just like everyone else is, whether materialistic or idealistic, is the idea that paradoxes must be avoided and neutralized hidden and denied as if they don't exist because logically it seems that many of them cannot yet the very fact that you can talk about it means that it can't exist at least much of the time. The most fundamental problem is the inconceivable fact that at the beginning of reality at the most fundamental root cause of all things you find one of two things no matter how you look at it. First off you either have nothingness or you have Infinity. There's nothing in between except number and us. Then once this is established you can think of the next paradoxes being Chaos and Order in Randomness and and deterministic and Free will and Destiny. For almost every pair of opposites in a duality especially ones that are in paradox there is a simple solution bye just turning The Duality into a relative Duality or a special kind of terminating Duality that allows you to carry on in a different setting kind of like when you're keeping track of your bank account with real numbers and how this allows you to get by the fact that you can't have negative dollar physically in your wallet. Yes you can still accomplish work and pay your bills and transfer energy and do many other things in this universe with the real numbers even though they are not really part of this universe and there are many identical tools like this and one of them is the speed of light. Paradox must be reconciled and solved not avoided and this is the reason we even have an arrow of time and Consciousness and why there's anything existing at all and I'm creating a new type of mathematics that I call Paradox mathematics that will help mankind move on to the next level of reality I need help because I have no platform and No One Believes me but I am 100% write about this. And I'm not a physicist or mathematician so for someone like me to know that I'm right about this that means it must be very simple to understand it just takes a lot of explaining
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Slove humanity last invasion or achieved digital singularity
Do you believe in love after love?
Lex I can see you don't believe this sh*t . Our body temp was used as a marker and explore/space and know where cold and hot areas are, because our bodies die... he is right to question, but he is a 2D box trying to explain how a 3D cube looks in the 5th dimension. Anything that is conscious is actively being... and experiencing time, we use clocks to tell time as a tool for our consciousness. how tf are you going to make time into a math equation . carbon x time + a pinch of experience = hawk tuah . You must be in a body like mine to have human experience. the equation for dog experience: dog body +... you get the idea. LLMs will never know all, just needs to be smarter than the programmers to fool everyone. If this guy is right, our vocabulary might be the problem.
@@MagnusGalactusOG love is the thing that aways 1 st love 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 its the same bro
@@tripper_702 What's your source?
This guy holds opens multiple tabs , clears them 1 by 1 and goes back to the original question. I now realize how inferior my brain is
Training, just keep training, learning is a lifelong process, your brain is plenty for this world!
Your kidding right. You think thats impressive?!
Not that impressive... it basically english 101. Open with simple questions, branch out, tie it all together and revisit the opening. Not that hard
@@Dragonfire89nddude he’s right so I’m gonna go as far to say you’re prob wrong.
@@rosshopkins2063Do you think dismissing OP’s observation is “impressive”? Or that the guests communication acumen is somehow *not* impressive? Because the ability to expand upon the conversation with interesting context that’s relevant while working your way back to make sure you’ve answered the initial question is almost nonexistent in today’s society. It’s a quality you wish all teachers/educators/mentors had, but it’s just as rare in that group. Sad that you seem to not understand the importance.
Lex's here dropping 46:58 min long "clips"😂
Speaking of the math used to describe physical theory: We humans tend to ignore a fundamental property of complex numbers: They lack order. 5i is neither larger than nor smaller than -5i. Yes we can do absolute values and other math tricks to impose order (sometimes motivated only by our human desire to impose order on all things), but (-1)^1/2 is neither more nor less than zero. It's just different, with an infinite variety of differences possible, but without order.
That means any physical property which needs complex numbers to describe it, the imaginary components lack order. Have no first-last, have no larger-small. Only on the average can they give the illusion order exist. Just looking at the world that way, quantum mechanics becomes an "of course it's all probability waves" and entanglement becomes a necessary consequence.
Any lifeform that existed solely in the complex realm would see our universe as a subset of its own -- like we would view a complex maze that a tiny mouse is expected to understand.
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@@MagnusGalactusOGWe don't always have 3 hours.
Best interview I've seen in a long time.
😂sound delusional asl
@@davontee1721how is it delusional for someone to have a personal opinion about whats the best interview that “they’ve” ever seen
@davontee1721 what a weird comment. You must be miserable 😂
For me it's a tie, does the universe go on forever and is there a starting point to time, kinda the same thing as what happened before the big bang. You'd think there would always be a "before" but then that gives you infinite regress and that one will twist your mind into knots trying to imagine.
Great great interview. The most important question is : indeed why the Universe, nature, is ANIMATED, which literally, epistemologically, means "with an anima" = "with a soul"...
He's correct that there is something big about Agency. There is more than just the physical layer going on. That is a necessity for free will, to break deterministic rule.
The possibility of machines achieving consciousness or agency through imitation is considered, although they may differ significantly from human experience.
I damn near had a panic attack the other night thinking about how we don’t know how everything really started lol. Like the Big Bang, what happened before that and whatever did happen, what happened before that.. we will probably never know, at least not in my lifetime.
We will never know. One way to get over stuff like that is to tell yourself it is what it is. I've been ok to this point..knowing or not knowing doesn't change my current experience. The truth is in what it is. And I am ok. I've been ok. Thay kind of thing.
Merry Christmas ! 🎄
We can all learn from the practical teachings of *Jesus* ✝
Most scientific theories just end up being scrapped 🚮
@@MagnusGalactusOGMost but not all theories. Anyway I prefer the Buddha.
Thats like being the furthest north on this planet. You can't get farther north past a certain point.
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That's what the premise is like when it comes to the question " what came before the big bang " . Hard to guess or go farther in the question than that.
There was no "big bang".
Great discussion. Adam’s placement of the ‘agent’ in the center of things reminds me of the Renaissance’s placement of man at the center.
But are we not ?
Uh no. Odds are there are vastly superior beings.
@@iemy2949 his point is that everything, including ourselves, are agents.
Rewatch the video, it's not human-centric. It's the fact that "being" is the foundation for everything else. If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear then it doesn't make a sound. The surroundings would resonate, but sound happens in the ear
@ No, it’s agent-centric. His point is a human can also be an agent, as can anything on up from the quanta level.
I have come to the conclusion, after living over 70 years and reading many "hard science" books, is that our ancestors were right. Life is a separate force, just as we currently believe gravity wells are a force, electromagnetism is a force and the nuclear force holding an atom's protons & neutron's together is a force.
When Michael Creighton wrote "Life finds a way." he was writing about how we can recognize the Life Force.
Must every force have an anti-force? Gravity doesn't seem to, but some think it might. Electromagnetism, with positive and negative forces and North and South poles, is a very visible example of a dance of force and anti force. What happens within atom keeps getting more "layered" and complicated, but again it's a dance of different things. Maybe not anti-each other as we macro creatures tend to think of anti forces.
Then matter and anti matter -- which again just might be a very slow dance of the universe as a whole swaying between first now, then later one or the other being the predominant form for most of the matter in the universe.
Likewise life and not life might dance between the two, continuously, both in the rock you hold and your hand holding the rock. There is something that would eliminate all life if it could. There is something outside this reality that would make all things conscious (alive) if it could, that must work hard to punch through to ignite a life spark. Once through, one spark can ignite another spark, but -- like a forest fire raging -- even a massive life igniting can be extinguished.
What is the first igniting? A living consciousness deliberately observing the world and by observing creating it? But does that mean it, too, was created by a greater consciousness? But then that implies the universe is layers of greater and greater igniting wills just like the nucleus seems to be an endless line of "fundamental" force-particles. That the correct translation of "as above so below" should have been "As beyond, so within."
This interview was one of the best that I have seen in a long time.
The terms "observer" and "measurement" is the biggest issue in quantum mechanics, because it implies consciousness. That was never the intention and Schrödinger's cat is actually a paradox addressing that issue. It doesn't make any sense to assume, the cat is both, dead and alive, until observed. The full paradox extents it to an assistant, observing the cat in a totally isolated lab. Does the superposition translate to the assistant? Do cat and assistant share a superposition, until Mr. Schrödinger opens the door? What if Mr. Schrödinger uses the intercom from and adjacent isolated lab? Is the wavefront a local phenomenon? What if the assistant is lying? Is the cat dead in one lab and alive in the other?
The thing is, is the cat is detached from our perception of “knowing” anything. Life/death is binary. I always thought Schrödingers cat is a lazy and irrelevant subject.
It’s like saying when a bear smells a cooking steak, both the experience the bear brain sends has of smelling the steak, the feeling its brain causes, exists equal to the particles the steak gives off as smell and that are the same as the physical steak.
Schrödinger’s intention was to show exactly that measurement requires an observer. Lex then takes this idea and extends it to the philosophical realm and concludes that simply having an observer implies consciousness. ( he calls it an illusion). Because Yes, the laser is technically the observer but who placed the laser there in the first place?
@@ggg-ox3hr Oooh, I know that one. The kinoun akindeton or unmoved mover. A postulate that never evolved beyond circular reasoning.
Your intelligence is showing😂
Thats why God says "I am" in exodus in relation to " to be"
Very interesting stuff!!!
Question: What is life?
Answer: Life is Life, aaaah ahhh aaah ahhh aaah, Life is Life.
What is life?
Life is like a big obstacle
In front of your optical to slow you down
And every time you think you've gotten past it
It's gonna come back around to tackle you to the damn ground
@@MagnusGalactusOG what is life?? I'm tired of life..I'm tired of backstabbing ass friends with friendly grins...
He’s just out here yapping for 45 minutes
This fellow's fundamental critique of both idealism and physicalism is best articulated in Being and Time. Dude is a Heideggerian through and through.
Life (so far) is the rarest thing in the universe.
Only from our perspective. In other parts of the universe there might be life everywhere and they have the opposite position. We are in an isolated bubble afterall. And it all depends on what level of life you mean. But the universe is infinite potentiality. Everything and nothing is waiting out there. But at the end of the day we are just self aware software, experiencing "reality" through electromagnetic frequencies. Are you even in this universe when you sleep and shift waves?
@@D1str1ct I said life. I wasn't even specific because I don't have to be. How about life as we know it?
So tell me: What other planets or moons are there life on? You cant even mention one.
You can stuff your "buts" and "ifs" in a sack. My point still stands.
Scientists and hippies like to yada yada about life in the universe but the truth is life is only on Earth. So far.
Please keep your mumbo jumbo to yourself. You are clearly more asleep than awake. So much for reality.
Oh the humanity. Just monkeys on a planet thinking they know so much. Yet they know SO little.
Get well soon.
@ are you well? There are more stars in the sky than there is sand on this planet. As I also said, we are in an isolated area of space. We seem to have a void around us. Also, we are nothing more than software, creating the realities around us. So if people want to experience an abundant universe of aliens, they can. Doesn’t mean you have to or your perspective of reality is dominant. It’s just how it is. We are nothing more than self aware electromagnetic impulses. Have you researched microtubules?
If you think God created life on earth, you dont think intelligent life randomly arises on other planets why would you
Wood is.
It's simpler than this. The biggest mystery is what is a measurement, what is a detector.
Great video Lex, I like the longer clips!! I don’t want to hear a tidbit of how the world started… no way I can be convinced in ~6 minutes
Words are hard!
Blind Spot, great choice!!!!!
The "conscious" , sub-consciuos, no conscious. Favorite optical illusions; the empty circle & the two parallel lines and the convergence of the two vertical lines horizontally and/or vertical parallel lines into a single continuous line in the EMPTY CIRCLE(imagination). Learned or inate repasentaion of trees & distant horizons.
Great video, i enjoyed it.
I love Adam, even if he's wrong he has ideas. Something new..
Remember two things: that everything has always been the same, and keeps recurring. - Marcus Aurelius
Ecclesiastes 1:9 What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.
Fabulous talk!
For lucid dreaming and Astral travel , you are conscious and able to see without eyes .
Yes, and when I imagined things I also see those things without using my eyes.
It's not some deep enigmatic, esoteric knowledge possessed by only a select few 😂
"The internal self" was a psych intro that started this thinking for me.
Have Donald Hoffman on with this him at the same time!
Adam Franks explanations are so intuitive and sensible. He cleanly dismissed numerous weird theories that have irked me since learning them. The many worlds theory (lazy garbage). The block universe (incongruent with experience). Love this so much!
Early Heidegger would love this guy.
Finally!! Thank God for the long form intellectual podcast.
It seems pretty obvious that once the universe obtained a state where energy slowed to a point where particles/time emerged consciousness also emerged. I see it as remnants of excess or absorbed/entangled/shared energy or the lack of acceleration or even lack of expansion that governs all of these descriptions which are all the same thing. The cosmos has the original consciousness and local consciousness is becoming more complex but ultimately has a feedback loop to base universal consciousness that is not static. I think most people know this to be true just all language limits us by not being able to share this feeling outside conventional reality coherently. It probably doesn’t need to be explained but shared through stories and experiences.
Agency is just part of the inherent structure of reality. Measurement is just agency applied to reality.
This guy should hold hands with Jordan Peterson, and watch the sunset together :) Then kiss, spend the night together and next morning discuss each others’ brilliant ideas ❤
It really says a lot when your argument challenges the viewpoints of both religious and non-religious people.
Lex! Thoughts on quantum chips?
I'm kinda scared
Hi Lex. I think the Universe is a frame and a canvas. We are the pictures painted on those canvasses, of which there are an unknown plenty. Happy New Year
For me, it was Zeno's paradox. Got the answer with (c-b)/a .
I don't understand why measurement is a problem at quantum levels if things resolve predictably in the macro universe. Is it that we don't know at what threshold the variability dissipates?
The answer is in your question. The threshold is the quantum level. Things operate differently at that level.
At that scale, collapses happen multiple times during one of our feedback loops.
@@TravisHall-q1y Cool, so if we know that measurement isn't possible at that level, why are we viewing that as a problem?
@@oninoyakamobecause it’s more like that measurement is possible at that level but we have something “wrong” in our assumptions and theories… our entire foundation is based off of incomplete “theories” where the math falls apart… black holes for instance…
@oninoyakamo I don't think it's viewed as a problem. Its just hard to really grasp the concept of it. We do understand it somewhat and how it behaves or we wouldn't have microchips and computers. Or better I say, some people understand it. I just dabble with MiT's free courses on UA-cam.
20:34 did somebody open a glass door or something? I know I should be paying attention to the discussion, but my ADD saw that flash & completely derailed me... 😂
Couch Quarterbacks Rock
What is the cause of the formation and directing of matter since matter can’t make or direct itself?
This guest was amazing
6:03 pretty sure “experience” is a
noun and is very “consciousness”-like
Experience doesn’t experience itself. You must have a noun in order to experience the verb. How can anything have an experience if it isn’t there to begin with. It’s not that complicated.
The fire is the soul
Guy doing Heidegger. Impressive.
The question what it is to be, is, be, and always be: Life(and death)is a personal experience.
Im not an idiot but I sure do feel like an idiot.
Dhamma is phenomena and phenomenology
You should have Vervake or Mcgilchrist on
On the quantum level would a objective agent act in the same way as a observer?
When I look at video short called how small we are by UA-cam that's when I first realized we're both dead and alive right NOW.
Just a Lex clip but 46 minutes long 😂😂
Be happy fool
If he takes Nagarjuna seriously, he should be taken seriously
The mind understands the things of the brain, the brain understands the things of the body, the body understands the things of the Earth, the Earth understands the things of the mind; mathematics lead by way of the word, the word (written, spoken, body language etc.) reveals by way of reduction, the reduction follows the route of the math...
... gifts - tools for us to find light and spread light. It's that simple. Without us, less information is accounted for...
The word is like a rainbow, always alluding to a gold pot but never revealing it. Math is like the pot of gold, yet never free from the "rainbow" (or order) of the word. The two have a nature that, when exercised by a mind undisturbed, harnesses the things of the aether. That means looking inward, and where ethics come in... That's the point of "free will," in that it isn't about choice, but *intent. We contend with things of the lower realm to access awareness and learning. Poor attention to lower things leads to less light/understanding...
Treat this star and each other well. There is no other way.
The tesla AI will be the first real AI, the car has experience, navigates the real world and avoids it's own death.
Everything is life. That is the purpose of existence
#100thMonkeyTruckin 🚛✨
Free will exists within the limits of relativity but only if the speed of light is not isotropic.
We need a learned panel to discuss agency with regard to AI. Are they (AI ) the experiential observer when a quantum measurement is made, or is it us and they just our tools.
to kindle a light of meaning in mere being - Jung
What I get from science is that we are but a small piece of a whole that has the fortunate capacity to study this within the realm of the senses we have. I find that very uplifting and spiritual in the sense that it gives me goosebumps. Science makes the universe far more wondrous and mystifying than the bald assertions and assumptions attributed with the empty god claims.
Free will exists because it feels like I'm experiencing free will? Did I get that right?
Man is the measure of all things. - Protagoras
The Borg are Coming!
What is time?
Time is a measurement.
Time is the fire in which we burn... every second of every day.
@@zhadoomzx Time is where death grows the things it wants to kill.
👍⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐THANK YOU FOR THE ADEQUATE, THOUGHTFUL ANALYSIS ON THE SUBJECT.
The column of truth has a hole in it.
Humanity last invasion or digital singularity
10:00
The Biggest mystery in Science is the only question we all ask ourselves; "What is consciousness and where does it go when we Die?" All other questions pale in comparison and could possibly be found within that single answer.
Only two possibilities, either (1) at death electrical circuits in the nervous system go dead, or(2) at death the spirit that inhabited the nervous system passed into the next realm and lived on in another form. Little do I know?
@@davidrichards2113 Those are two well shared theories among Humans, however, we must first ask- Aren't these theories also simply being rationalized by a being that only has access to less than 1/billionth of the available information? If the Electrical system breaks down, where does the energy go? If it is a Sprit, that moves on, what energizes it? More questions arise and the cycle continues.. For the record.. We only know what we know, by comparing it to what we know we don't know and soon we discover, We don't know much of anything, even about what we know ; )
Since humans are energy converters it would be safe to assume once energy conversion stops so does everything else.
@@Jcs57 If the energy is only converted into metabolic activity, great but.that conversion rarely stops...it continues on well after Death. We are made up of more Bacteria than Human so, when does the Human ''death'' matter at all? The maggots, worms, and bacteria convert the stored energy of the body,, then plants use their stored and converted energy to grow and turn into dirt...The dirt uses that energy to grow fungus and those in turn help form salts and Rocks and those make up the Earth, which is converted yet again by the Gravity into magma and all of the above is converted once again into its the elemental forms that build every life form on this planet. So, that only raises another quandary into when that "Conversion" would actually be completed and where does the human and bacteria become one or separate entities? So, even if we answer the first part with ease and say the energy is simply converted, that does not address the Consciousness part, which, in our reality, is in fact the most mysterious question of them all. because, in the absence of a consciousness, we have no way of questioning anything at all and would thusly, discover nothing.
Ok. But take your temperature example. Our experience does not match reality. And when your trying to understand reality. Our experience doesn't matter. If we did science based only on experience we should shut down all gama, xray, and infrared telescopes. And we'd stop all learning.
My point is we didn't forget the meaning behind the measurement. We realized the measurement had significant meaning to the fundamental ways the universe worked. And that that meaning isn't natively meaning to us. And that we needed ways to describe these reduced elements in a way we can understand. Which is our processes. We didn't loose it. We discovered it wasn't about us.
What a great communicator.
Unfortunately he tries to sneak in a few mind viruses.
#ConvictionsAreEmergent
Agency isn't the defining feature of life. A wrong question.
Least impressive way of reformulating the “hard problem of consciousness”. This guy sounds like a bs machine
Nothing he said suggests any kind of magical thing behind consciousness. There's absolutely no evidence suggesting consciousness, or personal experience, is some magical or special thing beyond the physical. We just think it is because we have it. Of course it's interesting and we should study it, but thinking we are some miracle beyond the physical that needs a special explanation is completely subjective. Besides, the word consciousness is an ill-defined word.
12:37
I think there's something this gentleman is omitting entirely which could actually answer his conundrum about groups which either glorify or ignore "sciencism" and address the experiential nature of WHY we study these categories within the scope of experience- GOD.
Look back over the last 1500 years or so. While I'll be the first to admit that it has its ups and downs, a huge proportion of the work done to explain the natural world & processes came from the Catholic Church. Most of the men studying mathematics, cosmology, physics, and the other natural sciences were party of the Catholic Church. They didn't do this to try and disprove God, in fact it was the exact opposite.
They understood that God is a rational being who made the laws of nature in a way that we could observe, inspect, and describe. God makes no contradictions, so His Creation will also retain that fundamental principle. These men were both honoring God and trying to gain a better understanding of His work through the use of scientific processes (both observational and theoretical). To dismiss this outright is IDENTICAL to the objection whereby some people dismiss science as described shortly before this timestamp.
Also, I am 100% opposed to the conclusion of the "observer" causing wave function collapse in quantized systems. There is a very good reason why we see both waves and particles in the Double Slit experiment. In order to measure these quantized particles and their location, we HAVE to add a device between the slit and the detector. This device also MUST add some type of energy into the system to identify the position of the quantized particles. This addes energy gets added into the the wave-function and causes a type of interference whereby it collapses to definite values and then presents attributes like a particle.
There is no "retro-causality" or time travel. These quantum systems are NOT communicating faster than light. This is one of those fields that's overflowing with miscommunication, pseudoscience, lies, stupidity, exaggeration, misinderstanding, and replacing real data with "Woo-Woo" nonsense. Quantum physics is an incredibly cool field of study, but we understand enough about it today to where none of these silly conjectures or false claims should have any influence in the scientific community.v
... and yet...IT SOMEHOW STILL DOES
When can’t solve physics, one starts to create pseudo-physics. Many of these one call themselves “scientists.”
10:23 not following
If there was ever… “tips in the hat for my next experiment” hobo science edition… either that or “there’s to many cooks in the kitchen” 😂😂
I think everybody's missing the real question. The real question is why does matter have the propensity to organize itself into higher orders of things like plants and animals and humans and algae and fish and everything else why does this propensity exist?
🗣️ STRING THEORY! REAL SOON!
A living organism is a source of negentropy. Organisation - in an apparent violation of the Second Law of Thermodynamics - is maintained within the organism, and there is corresponding disorder in the organism's environment (so the Second Law of Thermodynamics is not violated).
#TheEndOfMeans
“Our job is to point out the problems. Not to find solutions”. God, what a bs machine.. It’s really hard to listen to when one is used to Lex’s standards of mental rigour
Big Bang, examine your assumptions.
The fire/being/consciousness/God...could be used interchangeably. The thing they have a common is they are all directly Imperceivable. Maybe there's a link between that and dark matter.
History repeats itself, science is often proven wrong, further down the road.
yes, the cat is alive and dead in two probabilistic future. not today... today is the causals of alive or dead.
Who uses the number 9 on a microwave get rid of it
Get rid of all odd numbers on the microwave
I do.
@@blindyoutubeuser What about 30 seconds?
I heat Minute Rice for 69 seconds.
C.S. Peirce On a New List of Categories. Peirce surpassed both Whitehead and Husserl but he married a 'woman of ill repute' and was blackballed and his work sat in a Harvard basement for half a decade.
And then his (Frank’s) ‘spiral of experience’ was clearly formulated by John Deely (a Percian semiotician) as the ‘semiotic spiral’.
And then he starts talking about biosemiotics not using that term and making no reference to all of the work already done in that field.
And then his discussion of capitalism etc. which is already a field called semioethics.
All of these fields stem from the work of Peirce.
‘Informational architecture/organization’ is just semiosis and semiotic scaffolding, also already well formulated concepts.
...& my son watching me, watching u, is an individual...&...&... love the weird stuff the most thx Lex
i’m experiencing a crisis of meaning with regard to the subject matter..
Lex, why don’t you invite some serious people and not bs machines… I feel like since Trump you have taken a turn towards the world of bs
Please let's get me on your show with this man right here. I think he's someone that would understand exactly exactly what I'm trying to share with you. So think of the thing she's talking about about a measuring things and the problem of coming up with something that more than one perspective can agree upon and understand as a measurement and that is the root of reality in itself because all things are measurements and and when there is nothing there in the first place no landmarks no person to do the measuring and no tool like a clock or a tape measure or some other thing then the very first measurement must always be made arbitrarily and from a subjective point of reference in other words it must just be a guess or a a sudden decision or just reacting to the circumstances one find one self Within. But this is something I like to use to demonstrate the fact that the plank unit is not a limit it is just a reset point because when you're talking about size that only matters when you are within time and space because the universe itself can shrink or grow infinitely and there is nothing to say that it can't because there's nothing to measure it against. No matter how small the universe gets there is no telling that it's that small because there's nothing to measure it against and all the time and spaces within it anyways. Will accept that it's within a larger universe itself because every universe is just a particle basically. So once you set up the measuring point and all that then you can start measuring it empirically and with objective results. And he's on to something talking about hot and cold and the fact that we decide what hot and cold is but there's one thing about thermal energy that we don't decide and that's what temperature absolute zero is because absolute zero is the lack of thermal energy it's not a subjective arbitrarily decided gas like hot and cold or opinion like hot and cold is literally the absence of thermal energy and that's a magical thing right there. That's just like the real numbers in the bank account I can show you guys a very special and brand new way of doing mathematics that no one else has ever done that are completely brand new that I'm creating if you guys would just listen to me
It doesn’t look like anything to me….
I know what you are!
The verb “to be” is the root for God’s “name” in Hebrew. Interesting
Actually the mistake you were making just like everyone else is, whether materialistic or idealistic, is the idea that paradoxes must be avoided and neutralized hidden and denied as if they don't exist because logically it seems that many of them cannot yet the very fact that you can talk about it means that it can't exist at least much of the time. The most fundamental problem is the inconceivable fact that at the beginning of reality at the most fundamental root cause of all things you find one of two things no matter how you look at it. First off you either have nothingness or you have Infinity. There's nothing in between except number and us. Then once this is established you can think of the next paradoxes being Chaos and Order in Randomness and and deterministic and Free will and Destiny. For almost every pair of opposites in a duality especially ones that are in paradox there is a simple solution bye just turning The Duality into a relative Duality or a special kind of terminating Duality that allows you to carry on in a different setting kind of like when you're keeping track of your bank account with real numbers and how this allows you to get by the fact that you can't have negative dollar physically in your wallet. Yes you can still accomplish work and pay your bills and transfer energy and do many other things in this universe with the real numbers even though they are not really part of this universe and there are many identical tools like this and one of them is the speed of light. Paradox must be reconciled and solved not avoided and this is the reason we even have an arrow of time and Consciousness and why there's anything existing at all and I'm creating a new type of mathematics that I call Paradox mathematics that will help mankind move on to the next level of reality I need help because I have no platform and No One Believes me but I am 100% write about this. And I'm not a physicist or mathematician so for someone like me to know that I'm right about this that means it must be very simple to understand it just takes a lot of explaining