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An incredibly insightful woman told me: energy embodies consciousness. Its simplicity is what makes it profound. Can’t wait to see the world prove it! We can label our experience anything: an illusion, subjective or objective, consciousness, a simulation, nothing, everything, a black hole, the universe. We are the universe experiencing itself, and we’re all connected. Chemically, physically, quantum mechanically, biologically. We are all ships of Theseus, voyagers of forever. Spacetime!
I'd apply Heisenberg to consciousness. So, energy, time, and uncertainty all seem to be properties of consciousness. (They're linked, when interacting with the physical world.) Experience should conserve energy with the physical world it's embedded in. Experience should be temporal. Experience should be information limited. As far as physics goes, I think it's useful to stick to aspects of experience that also apply to photons! Also, if you think about it, it's limited information that allows everything to be connected. They're two ways of expressing the same phenomena.
If this is true, then why do certain entities try so hard to contain and reduce the collective consciousness so aggressively? you would think consciousness would be allowed to flourish instead of getting so much manipulation, distraction, and persecution by the stolen power puppet masters.
Quantum physicist here. The idea that quantum theory is about what an agent "knows", (that is what information the agent has access to) not about what a system is "actually" doing, has been around for many decades, but Fuchs et al (as he mentions) has crystalized it in a form called QBism. ( I'm happy to see Frank moving in that direction 9along with David Mermin some years ago).
theres a quote from the deathly hollows when harry dies and meets dumbledore in limbo. he asks "is this real? or all in my head?" and dumbledore replies "well of course its in your head harry. but whats to say that it isnt real?"
In quantum logic, what an agent can't know may be just as important. It seems there's a logical inversion due to Heisenberg uncertainty. Aren't we imagining fundamental particles as the agents? It seems that this is part of the thought process in developing QFT. They share time with human agents, as well as other properties, that are convenient to quantify. Personally, I prefer to conceptualize Heisenberg's role in a quantum measurement as a kind of noise filter. It turns out causation has an indeterminate quality, when measured. It's the constraints on uncertainty that we're most certain of! Here, I think we're looking for certainty, and we'll take it anywhere we can find it, at this very small, very noisy scale. It's a game of finding needles in haystacks of randomness on the very edge of perception.
Anthropologist here. There is a lot of melansian & low lands amerindian theories about kinship that demonstrate there is not something like an "agent", but relations that built both the "agent" and "the system". I would love to explain the link to physics, but I really don't know how. See: Partial Connections, by Marylin Strathern
From the Wisdom-Teaching of Adi Da Samraj: "While we're in our bodies, we make mind. Once we die, mind makes us." My interpretation: Human beings are mind-making machines with the power to shape and reshape the patterns of Consciousness Itself. (An awesome responsibility if you think about it!) Everything is arising out of Consciousness Itself. I think Rupert Sheldrake's concept of Morphic Fields includes the "information exchange" touched on here: our understanding being impacted by all the "field" of information that has come before and then our experience, new ideas and insights feeding back into that informational "field".
The idea that there is no third person view, ultimately, is an interesting one, and seemingly valid when you consider quantum physics. But consciousness need not be the concept we land on here. I think a more salient concept would be computation. All matter computes does not mean all matter is conscious. This claim is ultimately a semantic one, however. We first have to define these two terms. I define them as separate concepts and I would object to any attempt to conflate them as one and the same concept, but again, that is semantics.
Love (experiencing it) self-evidently contains a non-computable dimension, so something besides computation exists. Deterministic computation itself might be the emergent phenomenon. Look up Newtonian non-determinism. Remember that many computations like multiplication are non-reversable, which is non-deterministic. Are you sure computation is "real" in that reliable, replicable sense? (I think it is, I'm just unsure.) I believe: something called "spirit" or "consciousness" exists, and it interacts with something. What is that something? Maybe it's some kind of computational network with embedded information, but maybe not.
6:44 thank you for these. It’s a nice touch to help. I don’t know everything and this actually helps a lot because I’m constantly looking up things to follow.
7:08 no because we have moved beyond that, look at philosophy lol. Meaning is more than survival. Meaning is understanding and respecting. Not just thinking or assuming an apple is just an apple, it may lack context like when a person answers vaguely. So meaning is a lot more than just about us surviving. When we listen, do we create meaning or do we find it because it is? Because it’s relative and not made so its potentials are connected to infinity like us but different and just thinking about that can share meanings that weren’t seen before. A rock may not be us but we can listen to the rock and share difference with it. It doesn’t have feelings like us but it is something. Same with animals but way different, they have feelings and emotions and dreams but people aren’t ready for that. People have a hard time respecting and finding each other. Most hear things inside the words, patterns they can’t look away from, barriers like judgement. They see differences and boundaries and treat others with disrespect because they don’t understand, lack of understanding because they haven’t thought of meaning, i mean, how can they listen to what we mean if they assume with bias? They hear insult when you say normal words because they misunderstand the meaning. A lot of people misunderstand these days because they can’t listen. Media has brain washed us, imagine doomscrolling as rubbing your brain down the side of a cheese grater. Sharing with the differences shows us some things, perspectives and then we understand more meanings and expands our minds and the range. Then we share and other people can reflect and respect like what Jesus was doing. Basically if we think we create meaning then we miss out on respecting the differences for themselves. God isn’t singular. In my opinion. God is infinity and it is free. We are expanding and sharing into the infinite, look at the quantum and understand it’s not smaller or the macro and how it’s not bigger, it is just another scale, living itself but relative. All is living and relative and free. Sharing. So Jesus said to uplift one another, not for anything but out of love and like a light shining in the dark, love will be reflected and burn out evil/show evil the way. Nothing is lost. I have a weird idea that Lucifer doesn’t fall but is shared so that the spirit can share and becoming lost in the lies is the spirit of satan. Spirits are like measurements. lol sorry for this comment.
I disovered Adam Frank through his Aeon articles, his own and co-authored, five years ago, then The Blind Spot book. Great to see the face behind the name and hear him speak about it *first person* 🙂
Lex, of all of your interviews that I have followed, this is the on that gives me the most trouble. Or perhaps I should complain that I just cant follow it at all. All syntax and no semantics?. Nevertheless, thanks for trying. It's appreciated.
5:34 all is living and nothing is the center, the center is shared by all. We are relative. And not just the center either but all is relative. We aren’t the center but we share to see that potential. It is relative even if not current, accepting to see and understand by reflection. It’s like thinking before speaking or predicting before doing, the more data, the better the prediction and ways it goes. Engines, boats, turbines, clothes, paper, ideologies, so much has been found and we take it for granted. We may lose it and remember the pain to find it again. A cycle.
This is a deconstructive mantra and is not conducive to building upon the principles of what preceded them. The agent is not consciousness embodied but rather the tip of a drill bit, a layer of a more complex chronological structure of the universe discovering itself through individual nodes. The agent may never truly understand the importance of his agency.
I believe it is necessary to get somewhere in these discussions going on for many interesting years. I believe it is impudent to separate agent from the creation around. We are all part of one sans duality. This is how far I can get in these type discussions. I am not a scientist; I think, speak, write from my conscious living- perforce I evolved based on conscious thinking/ grasping of reality owing to my own, distinct struggle for survival. Like I cannot separate my struggles from the "me" that I am, can I?
The problem with saying the external world is a fiction is that you have to explain why there are certain physical aspects of the world that are absolute and the same for every single person, no matter who it is, what their opinion is, what they believe, whether they have brain damage or not. Gravity works everywhere, all the time, for everyone no matter what they know or believe. So you have to explain if the world is a fiction, why does every single person see the fiction we call gravity? Or you conclude gravity is a fundamental physical feature of our universe, whether we are here or not. If you don't think gravity is a universal fundamental feature, there's a very easy way to test it. I suggest you don't.
@9:40 Dear Lex, the attempt to mash quantum mechanics with GR using the lego approach through reductionism is a red hearing and unnecessary, but is quite a simple proposition compared to the real challenge of maintaining energy and information conservation, while allowing for some kind of over unity or emergence that explains how we got here (biology) and the force ('proto-fitness function') that keep driving us between increasingly amounts of complexity, which is maintained in balance to the coherence of that complexity. That is nobel prize worthy.
One statement set also. Measurement is interaction in the case of QM. Of course the wave function collapsed. We are only viewing interactions anyway. We can't see close enough. I think it would make more sense that a q particle is actually a vast vortex mechanism that is built by the surrounding universe, which is what a hurricane is. It's an emergent set of interactions created by the surrounding environment. In the case of the hurricane, the most impactful environment is the atmosphere and its flow. I'm pretty sure the universe is made of individual particles that are all the same size, with the same speed. What was that fist computer universe simulation that had no surrounding bounding box? Rhetorical. Run a 1D sim on 100 particles, giving them varied direction vectors. Doesn't even matter that they interact, because two particles that bounce off each other is identical to them going right through each other. But, you will still see what appears to be gravity emerge. And it's weak also, since the structures don't last. You still need a bounding box for all simulations. This statement set is just my opinion based on a sim I did on a handful of particles on paper. I couldn't figure out multithreading on android, so I never had a chance to do a computer sim with many particles. Memory leaks huh? Anyway, sorry this is long, but I think I have mental issues from people legitimately trying to erase causality. A decade or more of someone messing with my mind. Love the show though, and much respect for the guests.
Measuring information within a frame of reference writes exactly one set. In contrast, synthetic information possibly comes without any of the limitations expressed in this previous assertion.
Yea dude has a microphone in front of him cause he has controversial/provocative ideas and sounds intelligent, not because he necessarily is. a.k.a the problem with podcasts and science in general... Dude simply doesn't understand quantum mechanics. Consciousness is NOT involved in the measurement problem. Would be nice to believe that though wouldn't it
Huh? There is no consensus on the measurement problem involving consciousness or not. From what i understand that's very difficult to prove either way. I think you have chosen an interpretation and accepted it on faith
It's VERY well established that a measurement has little to do with a conscious observer. It's about a point of reference being entangled with the environment. That could easily be an inanimate object like a motion detector.
i get you like how decoherence works with the many worlds theory but there isnt any proof of many worlds, unless you count that recent quantum computing hype
No the problem is not the consciousn observer changing outcomes. It's the tools used to measure and make the observervation. How are we interacting with the particle to change its wave function. Like bouncing light off of a particle for example
@@hakeemblake3653a new paper and a lot of scientists now say it has to do with the microtubules in the brain, collapsing the wave function and creating our local reality and observations
Lex, be VERY VERY VERY CAREFUL with this new idea of "quantum relativsm" where reality depends of the observer, where everything is relative, even the quantum processes that are inherently uncertain.
Same. Lex, more intellectuals and philosophers and less politicians and “outrage” influencers, please. The world gives the latter enough of a platform already. Since you have a foot in the door in both, it would benefit the species to highlight more of the former. No agenda, no ulterior motives, no bitterness, just exploring deep ideas and research.
People need to quit confusing Consciousness with information. Information is the underlying fundamental. Everything else is a result of information. Time and space is not fundamental
"We know he who has memory is from the past. We understand that he who is aware is in the present. Then we must acknowledge that he who is enlightened, is from the future. The axis of the eclipse, designated darkness by the universe, was assaulted by the Shadow Boxer, on the 20th of May 2012, in the land of the Piaute, beside ancient Pyramid lake, directly beneath the axis of the eclipse, at a distance of 1 meter, the Shadow Boxer was exactly 3 nanoseconds ahead of the shadow. In this moment the Shadow Boxer was transformed, as he stood in the sacred place of the light, alone battling the darkness. And in that moment The Master of Shadow Boxing was born.
Quantum mechanics is just a statistical model based on the numbers in the unit disk of the complex plane, as oppose to numbers in the interval [0,1]. Even the functorial nature is the same: and = multiplication or = addition
One question for that gentleman. Isnt any experience from an outsider just a revealing that others, and by proxy the self, just an emergent interaction?
Consciousness can be measured only by consciousness. It can measure both consciousness and non conscious beaing, the gross. The fundamental conscious particles are comma shaped which are the building blocks of the universe including conscious being.
The many-worlds interpretation creates unobservable universes to sidestep the implications of quantum measurements, essentially complicating the understanding of reality instead of clarifying it.
The observer doesn't have to be a life form. It could be an inanimate object, so wtf is this guy actually going on about? It's about entanglement, not about observation in the anthropomorphic sense.
Reading the blurb on "The Blind Spot" it talks about the human experience being key to the equation. Why I wonder have the authors chosen to describe "human" experience, rather than consciousness of any/all sentient life. The brains of octopus, dolphins, gorillas, dogs, cats... are they sentient/conscious? If so, why does the hypothesis favour humans - is this not speciesism? Or, are humans special - not because of greater/greatest intelligence, but because we have something special about our consciousness that is unique? The answer to this will connect with whether AI can become conscious or not. Because AI will have greater intelligence than us. But will they have sentient consciousness (like humans AND animals...) or will we find only humans have this phenomena uniquely, rendering AI a hyper-intelligent tool of humanity rather than silicon-sentience to our carbon-sentience. And/or will artificial intelligence only become sentient when merged with human to become transhuman? It seems to me the hard problem of conciousness (is the mind inside the brain's neurology, or outside it in a higher dimension, using our body as a drone into this dimension) will provide the answer... that is, assuming we're not all just in a simulation.
Frank Herbert/DESTINATION:VOID. Super-consciousness computer(quantum AI?) created by scientists: "The symbols of your languages are at strange variance with non-symbolized reality".
Yeah, measurements do matter, a laser feels the feedback if against a wall vs nothing. It’s like our feet on the ground. It’s just sensitive in a different way and we have to use relative materials to sense the differences shared. Like how our nervous system works with our body and brain. The universe is sharing, not dictated but living and free. The multiple universes don’t currently exist but we could expand into them. Like how games and movies and simulations and books share and we can share back with them and share difference with them like they do us. Like how nature teaches us. It’s natural for difference to happen but reflection helps guide and understand but not dictated. It opens you to infinity and not just a singular god. It opens us up to respecting and seeing differences as relatives/equals/connected and not separated. It sounds like it would contradict but all is, denial is disconnection. Being open is like sharing with the infinite potential of the universe and if we scale it down, like listening to mom and dad instead of denying their view or accepting pains and seeing the good connected to people still. All is relative but unfounded. Like how math was found because we listened to its relations or how things related and over the differences we saw the patterns and tugged on the strings to hear more. Then we spoke the language of nature. Imagination is relatives sharing and shouldn’t be denied but understood and shared and guided honestly. Almost like monks.
What we have is a theory that is continuous or permanent because of conservation laws. But things can be ephemeral. Information can be conserved. Something that is solid can be like a step fiction of energy but everything else is like a pendulum swinging back and forth. Our personal interaction is always ephemeral. We have to turn to look at something for example. And then we can repeat actions for the same results most of the time but it always requires and act. Like. Bat using radar. They have to scream to see. Nothing is there for them without them screaming. A computer simulation is different than feedback loops. Musk always says we live in a computer simulation. We don’t live in anything. We sense things. The in only exists if imagine a coordinate system.
The Natural world has discovered the supernatural world… So, What is the equation for our world’s super nature? We Might wanna get around to figuring that one out.
Theres not much difference these days it seems. We have come to the point where measuring things takes fortunes and are incredibly hard... so everyone is speculating
@@Capeau Is that science? QED has been stalled for years unfortunately, with little pay off. I would never say move on, but that's why I'm engineer since I actually do something with the research. But every 'ah hah!' moment does not result in anything inevitable these days.
Nope. Total bull shi. One of the biggest problems with modern day physics is that human pride and human ego have taken overland the last thing we need to do is look at physics and science emotively.
7:08 no because we have moved beyond that, look at philosophy lol. Meaning is more than survival. Meaning is understanding and respecting. Not just thinking or assuming an apple is just an apple, it may lack context like when a person answers vaguely. So meaning is a lot more than just about us surviving. When we listen, do we create meaning or do we find it because it is? Because it’s relative and not made so its potentials are connected to infinity like us but different and just thinking about that can share meanings that weren’t seen before. A rock may not be us but we can listen to the rock and share difference with it. It doesn’t have feelings like us but it is something. Same with animals but way different, they have feelings and emotions and dreams but people aren’t ready for that. People have a hard time respecting and finding each other. Most hear things inside the words, patterns they can’t look away from, barriers like judgement. They see differences and boundaries and treat others with disrespect because they don’t understand, lack of understanding because they haven’t thought of meaning, i mean, how can they listen to what we mean if they assume with bias? They hear insult when you say normal words because they misunderstand the meaning. A lot of people misunderstand these days because they can’t listen. Media has brain washed us, imagine doomscrolling as rubbing your brain down the side of a cheese grater. Sharing with the differences shows us some things, perspectives and then we understand more meanings and expands our minds and the range. Then we share and other people can reflect and respect like what Jesus was doing. Basically if we think we create meaning then we miss out on respecting the differences for themselves. God isn’t singular. In my opinion. God is infinity and it is free. We are expanding and sharing into the infinite, look at the quantum and understand it’s not smaller or the macro and how it’s not bigger, it is just another scale, living itself but relative. All is living and relative and free. Sharing. So Jesus said to uplift one another, not for anything but out of love and like a light shining in the dark, love will be reflected and burn out evil/show evil the way. Nothing is lost. I have a weird idea that Lucifer doesn’t fall but is shared so that the spirit can share and becoming lost in the lies is the spirit of satan. Spirits are like measurements. lol sorry for this comment.
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An incredibly insightful woman told me: energy embodies consciousness. Its simplicity is what makes it profound. Can’t wait to see the world prove it!
We can label our experience anything: an illusion, subjective or objective, consciousness, a simulation, nothing, everything, a black hole, the universe.
We are the universe experiencing itself, and we’re all connected. Chemically, physically, quantum mechanically, biologically. We are all ships of Theseus, voyagers of forever.
Spacetime!
I'd apply Heisenberg to consciousness.
So, energy, time, and uncertainty all seem to be properties of consciousness.
(They're linked, when interacting with the physical world.)
Experience should conserve energy with the physical world it's embedded in.
Experience should be temporal.
Experience should be information limited.
As far as physics goes, I think it's useful to stick to aspects of experience that also apply to photons!
Also, if you think about it, it's limited information that allows everything to be connected.
They're two ways of expressing the same phenomena.
Collective unconscious
Not forever.......I believe in death ..life after death ( here after) that life will be forever
If this is true, then why do certain entities try so hard to contain and reduce the collective consciousness so aggressively? you would think consciousness would be allowed to flourish instead of getting so much manipulation, distraction, and persecution by the stolen power puppet masters.
Ah, the wonderful memories of Carl.
Quantum physicist here. The idea that quantum theory is about what an agent "knows", (that is what information the agent has access to) not about what a system is "actually" doing, has been around for many decades, but Fuchs et al (as he mentions) has crystalized it in a form called QBism. ( I'm happy to see Frank moving in that direction 9along with David Mermin some years ago).
theres a quote from the deathly hollows when harry dies and meets dumbledore in limbo. he asks "is this real? or all in my head?" and dumbledore replies "well of course its in your head harry. but whats to say that it isnt real?"
That's in the eleventh dimension in the model I am proposing on my channel.
In quantum logic, what an agent can't know may be just as important.
It seems there's a logical inversion due to Heisenberg uncertainty.
Aren't we imagining fundamental particles as the agents?
It seems that this is part of the thought process in developing QFT.
They share time with human agents, as well as other properties, that are convenient to quantify.
Personally, I prefer to conceptualize Heisenberg's role in a quantum measurement as a kind of noise filter.
It turns out causation has an indeterminate quality, when measured.
It's the constraints on uncertainty that we're most certain of!
Here, I think we're looking for certainty, and we'll take it anywhere we can find it, at this very small, very noisy scale.
It's a game of finding needles in haystacks of randomness on the very edge of perception.
Anthropologist here. There is a lot of melansian & low lands amerindian theories about kinship that demonstrate there is not something like an "agent", but relations that built both the "agent" and "the system". I would love to explain the link to physics, but I really don't know how. See: Partial Connections, by Marylin Strathern
Plumber here. Can someone translate to English please?
Now hiring- Unemployed string theory physics wanted for studies into quantum consciousness!
That's the eleventh dimension in the model on my channel.
I'm willing to volunteer my experiences! :D
String Theory, when you need now 11 dimensions just to explain some stuff in 3 🤔😉🤣
From the Wisdom-Teaching of Adi Da Samraj: "While we're in our bodies, we make mind. Once we die, mind makes us." My interpretation: Human beings are mind-making machines with the power to shape and reshape the patterns of Consciousness Itself. (An awesome responsibility if you think about it!) Everything is arising out of Consciousness Itself. I think Rupert Sheldrake's concept of Morphic Fields includes the "information exchange" touched on here: our understanding being impacted by all the "field" of information that has come before and then our experience, new ideas and insights feeding back into that informational "field".
There is no death. Just different states
The idea that there is no third person view, ultimately, is an interesting one, and seemingly valid when you consider quantum physics. But consciousness need not be the concept we land on here. I think a more salient concept would be computation. All matter computes does not mean all matter is conscious. This claim is ultimately a semantic one, however. We first have to define these two terms. I define them as separate concepts and I would object to any attempt to conflate them as one and the same concept, but again, that is semantics.
Love (experiencing it) self-evidently contains a non-computable dimension, so something besides computation exists.
Deterministic computation itself might be the emergent phenomenon. Look up Newtonian non-determinism. Remember that many computations like multiplication are non-reversable, which is non-deterministic. Are you sure computation is "real" in that reliable, replicable sense? (I think it is, I'm just unsure.)
I believe: something called "spirit" or "consciousness" exists, and it interacts with something. What is that something? Maybe it's some kind of computational network with embedded information, but maybe not.
6:44 thank you for these. It’s a nice touch to help. I don’t know everything and this actually helps a lot because I’m constantly looking up things to follow.
I’d love to hear Terrence Howard on this
LOL
wave conjugations!
11:13 that was a cool camera moment , the way his hand went into focus as he was saying that about our view of time.
7:08 no because we have moved beyond that, look at philosophy lol. Meaning is more than survival. Meaning is understanding and respecting. Not just thinking or assuming an apple is just an apple, it may lack context like when a person answers vaguely. So meaning is a lot more than just about us surviving. When we listen, do we create meaning or do we find it because it is? Because it’s relative and not made so its potentials are connected to infinity like us but different and just thinking about that can share meanings that weren’t seen before. A rock may not be us but we can listen to the rock and share difference with it. It doesn’t have feelings like us but it is something. Same with animals but way different, they have feelings and emotions and dreams but people aren’t ready for that. People have a hard time respecting and finding each other. Most hear things inside the words, patterns they can’t look away from, barriers like judgement. They see differences and boundaries and treat others with disrespect because they don’t understand, lack of understanding because they haven’t thought of meaning, i mean, how can they listen to what we mean if they assume with bias? They hear insult when you say normal words because they misunderstand the meaning. A lot of people misunderstand these days because they can’t listen. Media has brain washed us, imagine doomscrolling as rubbing your brain down the side of a cheese grater. Sharing with the differences shows us some things, perspectives and then we understand more meanings and expands our minds and the range. Then we share and other people can reflect and respect like what Jesus was doing. Basically if we think we create meaning then we miss out on respecting the differences for themselves. God isn’t singular. In my opinion. God is infinity and it is free. We are expanding and sharing into the infinite, look at the quantum and understand it’s not smaller or the macro and how it’s not bigger, it is just another scale, living itself but relative. All is living and relative and free. Sharing. So Jesus said to uplift one another, not for anything but out of love and like a light shining in the dark, love will be reflected and burn out evil/show evil the way. Nothing is lost. I have a weird idea that Lucifer doesn’t fall but is shared so that the spirit can share and becoming lost in the lies is the spirit of satan. Spirits are like measurements. lol sorry for this comment.
I disovered Adam Frank through his Aeon articles, his own and co-authored, five years ago, then The Blind Spot book. Great to see the face behind the name and hear him speak about it *first person* 🙂
..."I think that's what we still have to figure out"....
Lex, of all of your interviews that I have followed, this is the on that gives me the most trouble. Or perhaps I should complain that I just cant follow it at all. All syntax and no semantics?. Nevertheless, thanks for trying. It's appreciated.
It's good to be tested and stretched. Nothing ever grows from a comfort zone etc etc. that's why this is my favourite channel/podcast 🙂
@@MA-ResearchEdu-e9l Amen, but still........
This was good, and interesting to listen to. Nice.
This video needs more caffeine
Nah more 🌨
If you find things that don't fit far away, then receipt happens before the effect. It is not that hard.
5:34 all is living and nothing is the center, the center is shared by all. We are relative. And not just the center either but all is relative. We aren’t the center but we share to see that potential. It is relative even if not current, accepting to see and understand by reflection. It’s like thinking before speaking or predicting before doing, the more data, the better the prediction and ways it goes. Engines, boats, turbines, clothes, paper, ideologies, so much has been found and we take it for granted. We may lose it and remember the pain to find it again. A cycle.
Totally just bought 3 of his books after watching this.
I like to hear people talk who like to talk.
Please please get Chris Fields on! His work with Friston on a quantum formulation of the Free Energy Principle is really really incredible stuff
Oh no, I confused him with Stuart Hameroff !
This is a deconstructive mantra and is not conducive to building upon the principles of what preceded them. The agent is not consciousness embodied but rather the tip of a drill bit, a layer of a more complex chronological structure of the universe discovering itself through individual nodes. The agent may never truly understand the importance of his agency.
I believe it is necessary to get somewhere in these discussions going on for many interesting years.
I believe it is impudent to separate agent from the creation around. We are all part of one sans duality.
This is how far I can get in these type discussions. I am not a scientist; I think, speak, write from my conscious living- perforce I evolved based on conscious thinking/ grasping of reality owing to my own, distinct struggle for survival.
Like I cannot separate my struggles from the "me" that I am, can I?
The problem with saying the external world is a fiction is that you have to explain why there are certain physical aspects of the world that are absolute and the same for every single person, no matter who it is, what their opinion is, what they believe, whether they have brain damage or not. Gravity works everywhere, all the time, for everyone no matter what they know or believe. So you have to explain if the world is a fiction, why does every single person see the fiction we call gravity? Or you conclude gravity is a fundamental physical feature of our universe, whether we are here or not. If you don't think gravity is a universal fundamental feature, there's a very easy way to test it. I suggest you don't.
@9:40 Dear Lex, the attempt to mash quantum mechanics with GR using the lego approach through reductionism is a red hearing and unnecessary, but is quite a simple proposition compared to the real challenge of maintaining energy and information conservation, while allowing for some kind of over unity or emergence that explains how we got here (biology) and the force ('proto-fitness function') that keep driving us between increasingly amounts of complexity, which is maintained in balance to the coherence of that complexity. That is nobel prize worthy.
One statement set also. Measurement is interaction in the case of QM. Of course the wave function collapsed. We are only viewing interactions anyway. We can't see close enough.
I think it would make more sense that a q particle is actually a vast vortex mechanism that is built by the surrounding universe, which is what a hurricane is. It's an emergent set of interactions created by the surrounding environment. In the case of the hurricane, the most impactful environment is the atmosphere and its flow.
I'm pretty sure the universe is made of individual particles that are all the same size, with the same speed. What was that fist computer universe simulation that had no surrounding bounding box? Rhetorical.
Run a 1D sim on 100 particles, giving them varied direction vectors. Doesn't even matter that they interact, because two particles that bounce off each other is identical to them going right through each other. But, you will still see what appears to be gravity emerge. And it's weak also, since the structures don't last.
You still need a bounding box for all simulations. This statement set is just my opinion based on a sim I did on a handful of particles on paper. I couldn't figure out multithreading on android, so I never had a chance to do a computer sim with many particles. Memory leaks huh?
Anyway, sorry this is long, but I think I have mental issues from people legitimately trying to erase causality. A decade or more of someone messing with my mind. Love the show though, and much respect for the guests.
Measuring information within a frame of reference writes exactly one set. In contrast, synthetic information possibly comes without any of the limitations expressed in this previous assertion.
Yea dude has a microphone in front of him cause he has controversial/provocative ideas and sounds intelligent, not because he necessarily is. a.k.a the problem with podcasts and science in general... Dude simply doesn't understand quantum mechanics. Consciousness is NOT involved in the measurement problem. Would be nice to believe that though wouldn't it
Huh? There is no consensus on the measurement problem involving consciousness or not. From what i understand that's very difficult to prove either way.
I think you have chosen an interpretation and accepted it on faith
It's VERY well established that a measurement has little to do with a conscious observer. It's about a point of reference being entangled with the environment. That could easily be an inanimate object like a motion detector.
i get you like how decoherence works with the many worlds theory but there isnt any proof of many worlds, unless you count that recent quantum computing hype
No the problem is not the consciousn observer changing outcomes. It's the tools used to measure and make the observervation. How are we interacting with the particle to change its wave function. Like bouncing light off of a particle for example
@@hakeemblake3653a new paper and a lot of scientists now say it has to do with the microtubules in the brain, collapsing the wave function and creating our local reality and observations
Lex, be VERY VERY VERY CAREFUL with this new idea of "quantum relativsm" where reality depends of the observer, where everything is relative, even the quantum processes that are inherently uncertain.
Dis gunna be gud!
My third person view is that “consciousness” is misspelled in the title.
So you point out the one mistake.
Loved this interview.
Same. Lex, more intellectuals and philosophers and less politicians and “outrage” influencers, please.
The world gives the latter enough of a platform already. Since you have a foot in the door in both, it would benefit the species to highlight more of the former.
No agenda, no ulterior motives, no bitterness, just exploring deep ideas and research.
I dunno… I’m dumb.
But for someone that prefaced by essentially calling determinism an archaic perspective, he only seemed to strengthen it.
People need to quit confusing Consciousness with information. Information is the underlying fundamental. Everything else is a result of information. Time and space is not fundamental
"We know he who has memory is from the past. We understand that he who is aware is in the present. Then we must acknowledge that he who is enlightened, is from the future.
The axis of the eclipse, designated darkness by the universe, was assaulted by the Shadow Boxer, on the 20th of May 2012, in the land of the Piaute, beside ancient Pyramid lake, directly beneath the axis of the eclipse, at a distance of 1 meter, the Shadow Boxer was exactly 3 nanoseconds ahead of the shadow. In this moment the Shadow Boxer was transformed, as he stood in the sacred place of the light, alone battling the darkness. And in that moment The Master of Shadow Boxing was born.
I have seen this in a vision
".there you go mate
Need to get stoned and watch this again.
Quantum mechanics is just a statistical model based on the numbers in the unit disk of the complex plane, as oppose to numbers in the interval [0,1]. Even the functorial nature is the same:
and = multiplication
or = addition
Had to replay sections of this Conversation, tbh.
One question for that gentleman. Isnt any experience from an outsider just a revealing that others, and by proxy the self, just an emergent interaction?
Awareness is known by awareness alone.
Consciousness can be measured only by consciousness. It can measure both consciousness and non conscious beaing, the gross. The fundamental conscious particles are comma shaped which are the building blocks of the universe including conscious being.
Eh, Bernardo’s elucidation is still the best we’ve got imo
Quantum Meta Determinism must be taken into account
The many-worlds interpretation creates unobservable universes to sidestep the implications of quantum measurements, essentially complicating the understanding of reality instead of clarifying it.
The observer doesn't have to be a life form. It could be an inanimate object, so wtf is this guy actually going on about? It's about entanglement, not about observation in the anthropomorphic sense.
Reading the blurb on "The Blind Spot" it talks about the human experience being key to the equation. Why I wonder have the authors chosen to describe "human" experience, rather than consciousness of any/all sentient life. The brains of octopus, dolphins, gorillas, dogs, cats... are they sentient/conscious? If so, why does the hypothesis favour humans - is this not speciesism? Or, are humans special - not because of greater/greatest intelligence, but because we have something special about our consciousness that is unique? The answer to this will connect with whether AI can become conscious or not. Because AI will have greater intelligence than us. But will they have sentient consciousness (like humans AND animals...) or will we find only humans have this phenomena uniquely, rendering AI a hyper-intelligent tool of humanity rather than silicon-sentience to our carbon-sentience. And/or will artificial intelligence only become sentient when merged with human to become transhuman? It seems to me the hard problem of conciousness (is the mind inside the brain's neurology, or outside it in a higher dimension, using our body as a drone into this dimension) will provide the answer... that is, assuming we're not all just in a simulation.
Frank Herbert/DESTINATION:VOID. Super-consciousness computer(quantum AI?) created by scientists: "The symbols of your languages are at strange variance with non-symbolized reality".
I think you’re a great interviewer man. Thank you
Yeah, measurements do matter, a laser feels the feedback if against a wall vs nothing. It’s like our feet on the ground. It’s just sensitive in a different way and we have to use relative materials to sense the differences shared. Like how our nervous system works with our body and brain. The universe is sharing, not dictated but living and free. The multiple universes don’t currently exist but we could expand into them. Like how games and movies and simulations and books share and we can share back with them and share difference with them like they do us. Like how nature teaches us. It’s natural for difference to happen but reflection helps guide and understand but not dictated. It opens you to infinity and not just a singular god. It opens us up to respecting and seeing differences as relatives/equals/connected and not separated. It sounds like it would contradict but all is, denial is disconnection. Being open is like sharing with the infinite potential of the universe and if we scale it down, like listening to mom and dad instead of denying their view or accepting pains and seeing the good connected to people still. All is relative but unfounded. Like how math was found because we listened to its relations or how things related and over the differences we saw the patterns and tugged on the strings to hear more. Then we spoke the language of nature. Imagination is relatives sharing and shouldn’t be denied but understood and shared and guided honestly. Almost like monks.
What he says in the beginning is basically madyamika buddhism
What we have is a theory that is continuous or permanent because of conservation laws. But things can be ephemeral. Information can be conserved. Something that is solid can be like a step fiction of energy but everything else is like a pendulum swinging back and forth.
Our personal interaction is always ephemeral. We have to turn to look at something for example. And then we can repeat actions for the same results most of the time but it always requires and act. Like. Bat using radar. They have to scream to see. Nothing is there for them without them screaming.
A computer simulation is different than feedback loops. Musk always says we live in a computer simulation. We don’t live in anything. We sense things. The in only exists if imagine a coordinate system.
2 hours ago is crazy
Not heard of Advaita
The Natural world has discovered the supernatural world… So, What is the equation for our world’s super nature? We Might wanna get around to figuring that one out.
'...buy my book....and my next book.' This video is about philosophy, not physics.
Theres not much difference these days it seems. We have come to the point where measuring things takes fortunes and are incredibly hard... so everyone is speculating
@@Capeau Is that science? QED has been stalled for years unfortunately, with little pay off. I would never say move on, but that's why I'm engineer since I actually do something with the research. But every 'ah hah!' moment does not result in anything inevitable these days.
Universal view of the world is not necessary deterministic.
The view of thinking and so thought or the thinker is the blind spot 😉
You need to watch the telepathy tapes
Agent = observer
Electron solid muon liquid tau gas🎯
Nope. Total bull shi. One of the biggest problems with modern day physics is that human pride and human ego have taken overland the last thing we need to do is look at physics and science emotively.
Psychedelic squirrels, you say?…
The Kobe game in LA-
There’s ways to spoil BS
Say Billy Carson's name in the 🪞 5 times in the dark at night and they say he'll getch ya........ Hell getcha and he'll sue you. 😂
Ahh, yes, exactly, I didn’t understand any of that.
Memento te esse hominem.
How do you get this smart 🤣🤯
And yet he says people smarter than him need to push the ideas forward. "I'm not smart enough."
By eating your vegetables 😅
smells like BS to me.
🌼 🎄
Lex is Napoleon Bonaparte reincarnated.
Is this Lex on a burner trying to tell us he is Napoleo Bonapart?
First 🥇🏆
Book salesman...
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I'm amazed at how many scientists waste their time on quantum theories of the mind. The human brain is much simpler than that.
All that exists is physical. The properties of anything non-physical are the same as the properties of that which does not exist.
When is John Wick Jr going to change his clothes?
7:08 no because we have moved beyond that, look at philosophy lol. Meaning is more than survival. Meaning is understanding and respecting. Not just thinking or assuming an apple is just an apple, it may lack context like when a person answers vaguely. So meaning is a lot more than just about us surviving. When we listen, do we create meaning or do we find it because it is? Because it’s relative and not made so its potentials are connected to infinity like us but different and just thinking about that can share meanings that weren’t seen before. A rock may not be us but we can listen to the rock and share difference with it. It doesn’t have feelings like us but it is something. Same with animals but way different, they have feelings and emotions and dreams but people aren’t ready for that. People have a hard time respecting and finding each other. Most hear things inside the words, patterns they can’t look away from, barriers like judgement. They see differences and boundaries and treat others with disrespect because they don’t understand, lack of understanding because they haven’t thought of meaning, i mean, how can they listen to what we mean if they assume with bias? They hear insult when you say normal words because they misunderstand the meaning. A lot of people misunderstand these days because they can’t listen. Media has brain washed us, imagine doomscrolling as rubbing your brain down the side of a cheese grater. Sharing with the differences shows us some things, perspectives and then we understand more meanings and expands our minds and the range. Then we share and other people can reflect and respect like what Jesus was doing. Basically if we think we create meaning then we miss out on respecting the differences for themselves. God isn’t singular. In my opinion. God is infinity and it is free. We are expanding and sharing into the infinite, look at the quantum and understand it’s not smaller or the macro and how it’s not bigger, it is just another scale, living itself but relative. All is living and relative and free. Sharing. So Jesus said to uplift one another, not for anything but out of love and like a light shining in the dark, love will be reflected and burn out evil/show evil the way. Nothing is lost. I have a weird idea that Lucifer doesn’t fall but is shared so that the spirit can share and becoming lost in the lies is the spirit of satan. Spirits are like measurements. lol sorry for this comment.