Thanks for your video. You mentioned that conditioners don't remove hard water but they reduce it. May I know up to what extent? This will help me in deciding whether to go for a softener or conditioner.
The Puronics system isn't just a conditioner, but a softener as well. It is used by NASA and is certified by the EPA to kill bacteria with its patented Silver Shield technology.
If I’m not correct I have a puronics water softener and water purifier installed and also have a RO system under the sink so I was told that it softens and purifies my whole house water and I use salt pellets, so is this wrong?
I really hope this guy doesn't sell water treatment systems. The difference between a water softener and water conditioner is that a water softener removes the hardness (calcium and magnesium) from your water and a water conditioner doesn't! A water conditioner doesn't even reduce the hardness in your water one bit. The advantage of a water conditioner is that it doesn't use salt, electricity or need drainage. The down side is that they don't much at all. He is correct that they will remove the chlorine from your water, but that's like having a big refrigerator filter for your home. The magnetic feature he was talking about has been PROVEN not to work. That is a gimmick. How can something affect the water if it never touches the water? Common sense alone will tell you that. The only EPA approved media to be used to eliminate scale build up is called Filter sorb 3. Any water conditioner that doesn't use this media is a piece of junk and not proven to descale anything. Unfortunately, to remove the hard water entirely (calcium and magnesium), you have to use a salt based water softener. There is NO SUCH THING AS A SALT-LESS WATER SOFTENER! It's like the unicorn, it doesn't exist. The resin inside a water softener is holding the calcium and magnesium inside the tank and not allowing it to go into your water. It can only hold so much of that before it needs to clean itself out. That is called regenerating. That is what the salt is used for. It reverses the polarization of the ions and releases all of the calcium and magnesium from the resin and it gets backwashed, like a pool, to your sewer and it starts all over again. Obviously, I do sell water systems for homes and I sell both water softeners and water conditioners. This is coming from someone who sells both. I really don't like water conditioners because I know what they do and what they don't do. A water softener eliminates the hard water, a water conditioner doesn't. Not opinion, fact! You chose what's most important for you.
I am a gardener. I have a water softener but the water still kills the grass and plants. I have experimented and determined it is definitely the water. Ay ideas how to fix this?
@@comeseetheviolenceinherent579 where did you get your water softener from? Home Depot, Costco, Lowe's? Pretty much any water softener you get at a department store or online is going to use 8% cross linked resin to remove the calcium, magnesium and iron. There are 3 types of resin almost all water softeners use (8%, 10% and 16% cross linked resin). The advantage of 8% is that it's cheap. The disadvantage of 8% is that it uses a ton of salt to regenerate (clean itself) and it regenerates a lot. (every 500 gallons your house uses - probably every couple days). 8% resin will also lead to water pressure loss and it goes bad. The chlorine in the water rips it to shreds. I am assuming your water softener is hooked up to your main water line so it effects all the water your house uses. In Vegas, we have water "loops" in our garages. It only effects the water inside the house, so we don't have to run the water going to our sprinkler systems through the water softener. But, the answer to your question is to use potassium instead of salt with your system. Potassium is much more expensive than salt. Potassium is $20 for a 40lb. bag, where salt is $5 a bag. But, potassium will not hurt your plants. Hope that helps.
@@comeseetheviolenceinherent579 The brand really doesn't matter. Morton's is good, but really the cheaper the better. The important thing is the salt is what is killing your plants. Potassium does the same thing salt does as far as the regeneration process, but it won't hurt your plants. One thing about changing from salt to potassium though. #1: it's more expensive. #2: when you make the change, be sure to remove all of the salt from your current brine tank. Do not just add potassium on top of the salt. Take out all of the salt, then put the potassium in.
High mineral content > hard water does not necessarily mean you need a "salt" water softener! Go online to you city municipal water department and ask them for water quality testing reports. Determine what is a concern and deal with it from a smart proactive approach rather than trust a water treatment dealer/seller.
@@lisab3396 That is what I did . I am waiting on results. Thanks to the man at Lowes who told me I should do that. One company who came to my house tried to swindle 6500 out of me for their softner and filtration system.
They do. There are plenty of softening/filtration combo systems on the market. Feel free to reach out to my company with questions, we are HydroTech FL based in central Florida.
Thanks for the nice explanation. Both systems avoid scale buildup which is very important. The information which I'm not able to get from any of such review videos is about the health pros/cons of both the systems. I'm holding onto buying either of the systems because I'm still looking for the answers to the following questions. Could you please help? 1. Does Softener adds very little amount of salt to the home water? Is this good for health? 2. Conditioner keeps all the minerals within the home water. Is this good for health? 2. I read in manuals that Softener are not good for the in-house water Filtration systems and water Heaters. Is this true? or which one is better for the specified appliances?
@@rohit4youin San Jose has hard water? I lived there for 17 years and don't recall it being a problem. It's nothing like the water in my current city, Tucson, AZ.
@@Unknown-mc2ho there are two systems only softener and conditioner if it was with salt means softener and if I was salt free means conditioner many names for marketing purposes making confusion to the clients
you had me up to minute 3:30 then you went from chicken soup to chicken shit great info on water softener though , conditioner ? not so much. come on you know better
It's because water conditioners don't actually do much they're fairly worthless That's why not many reputable plumbing companies will even install them or advertise them.water softeners the way to go it's what the big hotels use the people who want to protect their nice clothing and make their customers happy your water conditioner is not good I'm sorry
I hope you guys don't listen to this. I am certified in water treatment and manufacture water softeners and filters. Maybe 20% of this info is correct!
We're sorry that you feel that way Ted. Most of us here at Pex Universe are in charge of inventory and are Do It Yourselfers. If you have a better solution in mind on how to explain the difference between water softeners and water conditioners, we'd love to hear it! Thanks
You seem very confused and or have an ulterior motive about Water Conditioners. A sort of "pale face" twisted tongue in cheek explanation! Who are you and whom do you represent...as in Business/Company!
We are PEX Universe, we're in a neutral position selling products from a multitude of companies some even competing with each other. Based off the information gathered in our research, we will suggest what we think is best for the scenarios we mention. If a certain product works better for a different picture then we will do our best to make that clear. We want all products to move, however we're in no rush and would much rather have the job done correctly than a product sold.
Thanks for your video. You mentioned that conditioners don't remove hard water but they reduce it. May I know up to what extent? This will help me in deciding whether to go for a softener or conditioner.
For most people, the amount of chlorine in their water is negligible. Also, chlorine kills bacteria, and generally makes city water safer to drink.
Thank you for your honesty. This clears up all lot of intentional marketing confusion. Thanks for shining light on the darkness. Much Love everyone
The Puronics system isn't just a conditioner, but a softener as well. It is used by NASA and is certified by the EPA to kill bacteria with its patented Silver Shield technology.
But also costs $12K
My left ear found this interesting. My right ear...not so much.
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Lool jesus you are correct
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Great info...we have low ph well water causing pinhole leaks in our copper plumbing, we now are switching to pex and installing a water conditioner.
Water conditioners are for people that are not very smart and were sold something by a con man
Well explained. However..... who should buy water softener, who should buy the conditioner....???
If I’m not correct I have a puronics water softener and water purifier installed and also have a RO system under the sink so I was told that it softens and purifies my whole house water and I use salt pellets, so is this wrong?
The Puronics system you showed is a softener. It has a brine tank. The salt free conditioners don't have brine tanks.
so can I have both then?
I really hope this guy doesn't sell water treatment systems. The difference between a water softener and water conditioner is that a water softener removes the hardness (calcium and magnesium) from your water and a water conditioner doesn't! A water conditioner doesn't even reduce the hardness in your water one bit. The advantage of a water conditioner is that it doesn't use salt, electricity or need drainage. The down side is that they don't much at all. He is correct that they will remove the chlorine from your water, but that's like having a big refrigerator filter for your home. The magnetic feature he was talking about has been PROVEN not to work. That is a gimmick. How can something affect the water if it never touches the water? Common sense alone will tell you that. The only EPA approved media to be used to eliminate scale build up is called Filter sorb 3. Any water conditioner that doesn't use this media is a piece of junk and not proven to descale anything.
Unfortunately, to remove the hard water entirely (calcium and magnesium), you have to use a salt based water softener. There is NO SUCH THING AS A SALT-LESS WATER SOFTENER! It's like the unicorn, it doesn't exist. The resin inside a water softener is holding the calcium and magnesium inside the tank and not allowing it to go into your water. It can only hold so much of that before it needs to clean itself out. That is called regenerating. That is what the salt is used for. It reverses the polarization of the ions and releases all of the calcium and magnesium from the resin and it gets backwashed, like a pool, to your sewer and it starts all over again.
Obviously, I do sell water systems for homes and I sell both water softeners and water conditioners. This is coming from someone who sells both. I really don't like water conditioners because I know what they do and what they don't do. A water softener eliminates the hard water, a water conditioner doesn't. Not opinion, fact! You chose what's most important for you.
I am a gardener. I have a water softener but the water still kills the grass and plants. I have experimented and determined it is definitely the water. Ay ideas how to fix this?
@@comeseetheviolenceinherent579 where did you get your water softener from? Home Depot, Costco, Lowe's? Pretty much any water softener you get at a department store or online is going to use 8% cross linked resin to remove the calcium, magnesium and iron. There are 3 types of resin almost all water softeners use (8%, 10% and 16% cross linked resin). The advantage of 8% is that it's cheap. The disadvantage of 8% is that it uses a ton of salt to regenerate (clean itself) and it regenerates a lot. (every 500 gallons your house uses - probably every couple days). 8% resin will also lead to water pressure loss and it goes bad. The chlorine in the water rips it to shreds. I am assuming your water softener is hooked up to your main water line so it effects all the water your house uses. In Vegas, we have water "loops" in our garages. It only effects the water inside the house, so we don't have to run the water going to our sprinkler systems through the water softener. But, the answer to your question is to use potassium instead of salt with your system. Potassium is much more expensive than salt. Potassium is $20 for a 40lb. bag, where salt is $5 a bag. But, potassium will not hurt your plants. Hope that helps.
Jason C thanks. I use a brand from Walmart. I will look for potassium
Morton’s
@@comeseetheviolenceinherent579 The brand really doesn't matter. Morton's is good, but really the cheaper the better. The important thing is the salt is what is killing your plants. Potassium does the same thing salt does as far as the regeneration process, but it won't hurt your plants. One thing about changing from salt to potassium though. #1: it's more expensive. #2: when you make the change, be sure to remove all of the salt from your current brine tank. Do not just add potassium on top of the salt. Take out all of the salt, then put the potassium in.
Some wayer conditioners use a phosphate filter that reduces scale and clears the pipes.
Puronics seems to me has the best of both worlds, is this true?
So... i think my water is hard cus it drys my skin out!! But idk I'm just a new homeowner learning day by day 🤷🏽♀️
If it's drying your skin your water could be hard or have high levels of chlorine, which is very unsafe.
High mineral content > hard water does not necessarily mean you need a "salt" water softener! Go online to you city municipal water department and ask them for water quality testing reports. Determine what is a concern and deal with it from a smart proactive approach rather than trust a water treatment dealer/seller.
@@lisab3396 That is what I did . I am waiting on results. Thanks to the man at Lowes who told me I should do that. One company who came to my house tried to swindle 6500 out of me for their softner and filtration system.
It sounds that we don't need RO system for water conditioner, right?
What about the electric pulse softeners?
Beto G..... There isn't such a thing!!!
You mean a descaler
Why doesn't someone offer something that has the best of both? Thanks for the video
They do. There are plenty of softening/filtration combo systems on the market. Feel free to reach out to my company with questions, we are HydroTech FL based in central Florida.
I bought the puronics system it has the best of both worlds it’s fantastic
Good video although magnets do not work, I’ve been in the industry almost 30 years
Good to know
Ah yes, we all know how time in the industry always means superior experience 😂
Thanks for the nice explanation. Both systems avoid scale buildup which is very important. The information which I'm not able to get from any of such review videos is about the health pros/cons of both the systems. I'm holding onto buying either of the systems because I'm still looking for the answers to the following questions. Could you please help?
1. Does Softener adds very little amount of salt to the home water? Is this good for health?
2. Conditioner keeps all the minerals within the home water. Is this good for health?
2. I read in manuals that Softener are not good for the in-house water Filtration systems and water Heaters. Is this true? or which one is better for the specified appliances?
Where do you live?
@@JoseRodriguez-eg2ho San Jose. I got a response on this q and bought the Salt softener. installed myself. Thanks for checking back :)
@@rohit4youin San Jose has hard water? I lived there for 17 years and don't recall it being a problem. It's nothing like the water in my current city, Tucson, AZ.
@@Unknown-mc2ho there are two systems only softener and conditioner if it was with salt means softener and if I was salt free means conditioner many names for marketing purposes making confusion to the clients
can't hear you!
I thought magnets only work on metals. Hmmm
you had me up to minute 3:30 then you went from chicken soup to chicken shit great info on water softener though , conditioner ? not so much. come on you know better
C J......A good way of putting it!
He lost me at “Aligns ions inside of minerals”
@@highball7347 Which brand and which product are you using? Please.
Big water guy 💦
Did not explain very well what conditioners actually do.....
No he didn't; and that was deliberately done!
It's because water conditioners don't actually do much they're fairly worthless That's why not many reputable plumbing companies will even install them or advertise them.water softeners the way to go it's what the big hotels use the people who want to protect their nice clothing and make their customers happy your water conditioner is not good I'm sorry
I been in water treatment for almost ten years. I have no clue what he’s talking about....!
I hope you guys don't listen to this. I am certified in water treatment and manufacture water softeners and filters. Maybe 20% of this info is correct!
Am I the only one bothered by his pronunciation of the word “softener”?
I guess yes.
Poor kid he is trying but has no experience or expertise .
We're sorry that you feel that way Ted. Most of us here at Pex Universe are in charge of inventory and are Do It Yourselfers. If you have a better solution in mind on how to explain the difference between water softeners and water conditioners, we'd love to hear it! Thanks
You seem very confused and or have an ulterior motive about Water Conditioners. A sort of "pale face" twisted tongue in cheek explanation! Who are you and whom do you represent...as in Business/Company!
We are PEX Universe, we're in a neutral position selling products from a multitude of companies some even competing with each other. Based off the information gathered in our research, we will suggest what we think is best for the scenarios we mention. If a certain product works better for a different picture then we will do our best to make that clear. We want all products to move, however we're in no rush and would much rather have the job done correctly than a product sold.
@@PEXUniverse Nice reply. You didn't take the bait and react.
This guy has no idea what he's talking about.