The guy literally asked what their gut feeling was. Decent presentation overall, but that was an odd statement when she was only responding to his question.
@@peacefuljeffrey Liberals hate facts and logic. The reason Liberals want us disarmed is because their political ideology cannot work with an armed populace.
You don't get enough credit. Any traffic stop, door entry, warrant service, could be your last. Whether it's a drunk who hits you on the side of the road, or a mental illness person who thinks you are the cause of all their problems, thank you for you did.
God Bless you Sir. Love from Ireland...And just one thing to the other guy in the comment section, it never sounds cringe thanking one for their service...
Police don’t get killed as often as people think they do, but they do have incredibly high rates of being; punched kicked, bit, shot, spit on. A friend of mine was literally hit with a dead baby by a maniac. Police can live through their career. Quite easily, there are more deadly jobs. They do, however take tremendous psychic damage. My friend did not sleep well after being hit with a dead baby.
I'd love to see the stats on injury rates vs fatality rates in various professions. While I agree with the premise that policing probably isn't "the most dangerous" job and that a lot of other, more seemingly mundane jobs are likely more dangerous, some of that also ties into what's done to prevent casualties, i.e. training and procedures, which can mask some of the accuracy of what makes a job dangerous or not.
@captainkirrahe There's probably a lot to what you said about some normal jobs being more physically dangerous. I'm sure construction is statistically more dangerous, but if you factor minimal safety training, no drug or alcohol test, and a general disregard for safety by some, it would probably be much lower.
I was just saying to my wife that his delivery is... I'm not even sure what word to use, and so, for lack of a better, I'll say superior. These are stone cold facts, and it's not easy to present stone cold facts in such a warm, pleasant manner. It is in fact beyond me
@@madmonkeymob34g12it's ridiculous to say. He isn't "adjusting" anything. He's using numbers pulled straight from FBI.gov web page table 43A anyone who cares to take the time to can check them against his presentation
In the academy back in the 80s, I was taught car accidents were the number one cause. Heart attacks can be a big deal. I've had one. Many from my agency in California have had heart attacks. We were in shape and ate clean. Studies show it is caused by so many adrenaline dumps night after night.
Too many donuts.. lol. I think there have been studies that link the health issues to the shift work as well that is tough enough on the young kids, but when you have a family and work 2 ,12 hour days followed by 2 12 hour nights it ages you quickly. But all the cops I know that died on the job were car accidents or were hit by a car during a traffic stop.
Your body will produce a crazy amount of adrenaline when in a serious fight or flight situation. It places a lot of pressure on you body. The first time I was shot at was back in the late 80s. A tweaker opened up on me with a shotgun. After the situation was over, my body started shaking from the adrenaline pumping through me. I was trying to just hang loose so there was no activity to eat up the adrenaline.@@man4YAWEH454
@@man4YAWEH454 an adrenaline dump is your body's way of dealing with a fight-or-flight reaction. In flight or flight your body secretes hormones that increase focus and strength and the blood leaves your brain and goes to your muscles and heart to prepare you to run away or fight. This can be exhausting. Sometimes cops have more than one call a shift like that. The body can not handle it especially when the natural reaction is to physically explode. What makes it harder on the cop is that their training teaches them to control that natural urge to eradicate the threat once the threat is subdued and the natural release is further impaired. This further leads to PTSD since the natural instinct is to the eradicate the threat and now you have to be kind to the very threat that was just trying to end your life.
The young black lady up front seems to be stunned by these facts...yet stubbornly holds on to her bias about the issue. Her body language, expression on her face, she's very uncomfortable about this professor's truth.
It does go to show how the media uses those stats to ingrain the victim hood mentality into people!! Being brought up to think a certain way just because of your race and accepting that at face value without looking at the reasons behind it has to be changed by each person, from the inside out!!!!
Actually the young black Lady doesn't Talk at all in this clip. it looks like you are clinging to your own prejudice. are you uncomfortable with checking your facts?
@@adhardino9781The op didn't say the woman spoke ...although she did guess the number of police officers killed in the line of duty as 500 (an incorrect guess, but she said it nonetheless).
Now let's include statistics on how many law enforcement officers that has been injured by violent attacks, or would have been severely injured or killed had it not been for their protective gear such as vests, helmets and shields. I'd say that's in the thousands.
A very good professor. Thank you for teaching these kids to think for themselves. Sad state of our educational system where some fields brain wash their students. I am so fortunate that I taught math and engineering. Facts are pretty clear in my field.
It's said that many professors teach their students what to think. These are activists simply using their position to advance their agenda. This professor is teaching students HOW to think. I wish I had him as a professor. I know for sure that due to the polarization, these lessons aren't reaching every one of those students. There will be some closed minds in that lecture hall, but I like to believe that most of them had an open mind enough to learn what he's trying to teach.
The problem is he trying to paint it out as if policing isn't that dangerous because the amount of officers who are killed in line of duty is so low. There other variable is ignoring. Varibles that show very deadly it can be to be a police officer. For example if we expanded upon it to included officer injured or wounded in the line of duty that number would skyrocket.
@@michaelrunk5930 I'm not sure that is what he is implying. He is implying that the public sees policing as more fatally dangerous than it is and to think about the source of the information as to any possible bias. BTW being a Fisherman is a way more dangerous occupation. The low fatality rate is also due to training. Firemen are a special breed to, but these guys assume the risk, and saving lives for a living is worth the trade off to them. I do not think any reasonable person thinks that being a cop is not a dangerous job. I have had friends stabbed, run over by a vehicle, hid behind the curb for cover as a bank robber fired at him from the rooftop and one had a machete swung at him on his first day, all on the job and only a few of the occurrences that popped into my head. And these are stories from the small percentage of the police that I actually know.
I think more STEM type people need to go into education - in non STEM classes. I graduated from Purdue. First five semesters were in mechanical engineering, then I transferred to sociology (Criminology and Criminal Justice). The difference in the professors was like night and day - the students as well. This sociology professor is better than most, but even he interjects his biases into his classes. I remember writing papers, not about what I researched, but aimed at pleasing the individual professor based upon his or her biases. Coming out of math and science (actual science - not "follow the science"), this was weird to observe and have to accept.
@@TeranRealtor I think is a sad state of our educational system, when this professor should be the minimum standard for teaching opinion based courses and he presents as one of the better ones, although your comment about STEM professors teaching "opinion" classes may not be a solution. We are only as objective as our material. As a former engineering math professor with a Civil, Mechanical and Electrical engineering degree, I can say that even these areas of expertise have a sliding scale of "truth" to them. Math is pretty much the most objective subject material. When it takes over 600 pages to prove 1 + 1 =2 (and proof was not yet complete) , then perhaps this has gone too far. Even engineering has a sliding scale of truth to it. Electrical is the most solid wrt theory. For example if your computer only made one mistake in a million, you would be making a million mistakes every few seconds. With mechanical we know theory and practice are amiss and we need to develop safety factors. In civil these safety factors diverge to 5 or 6 on some designs. I am sure you were in a lecture where the professor said this is what theory says, but we know it only works from this boundary to this boundary. If engineers were not critical thinkers, that floating roof the architect wanted would collapse and kill people. I guess from the perspective of objectivity, a STEM professor would be more critical of the data, but even statistics is an invented math, subject to user bias. My office mate was a geophysicist before he started teaching math. His job was to critique the stats submitted, to discern whether they said what the author claimed or if they were manipulated. WRT to opinion based subjects like the humanities, user bias is built into subjective data. For example a correlation of 0.60 is publishable in psychology (one of the more objective, opinionated humanities and considered by some to be science like), and in my field 0.60 means you are wrong. How would a STEM professor teach opinion courses like sociology or history, with out spending 30 out of the 40 hours of course time on caveats.
73 died feloniously in 2021 alone. Please remember that this video holds old statistics and is not an up to date representation of the issues at hand. Remember to look up and see that this was six years ago.
Whats very sad is that we are now losing more officers to suicide every year than are killed in the line of duty, and you cannot separate those deaths from their profession, because they are very much related. Not to mention how many do we lose to alcoholism and substance abuse brought on by the stress of the job? The same goes for firefighters and military/vets. First responders are not super heroes, they are simply humans with special training but society expects them to react as super humans to horriblly stressful situations every single day. No one bats an eye as to what toll that daily stress takes on them, even moreso now because our society has demonized the police, making their jobs even more stressful.
This comment is sad but hey You should buy a roofer a six pack cuz they have 3 Times the risk of dying that cops have... (You know you enjoy the shade they provide us)
The info isn't moving quickly and 99%of it you can understand by listening and glancing at the projector every 5 minutes. I would be on my phone and still ace any test he gave on the subjects discussed. I watched in 2x speed and still was doing other things while listening and was able to follow along with very little effort. Showing 100% attention is only necessary if that's the level of attention you need to absorb the info or if the teacher enforces it out of "respect". But how do you respect someone enforces respectful behavior instead of earning it? It feels authoritarian. Also, if you're paying for the class, you can choose how best to utilize the service. And just to cover the ad hom rebuttals, I'm a college graduate in a STEM field, I'm in my 30s, I own a house and I'm basically debt free and I got zero financial assistance from the Govt or my family.
It’s kind of like what John Kerry said on the campaign trail in 2004. “You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.”
And why would you? I believe in law and order, but when your DAs and politicians are cutting your legs out from under you, there's no incentive for the duty motivated. And the financial incentives are peanuts. AND on top of it, you have to put your life on the line and potentially have millions of people go over the worst moments in your life with a microscope when you had 3 seconds to make a decision. Why would any sane person become a LEO in this era?
This discussion highlights the need to talk about danger *inherent* in an occupation, sport, or any other activity versus outcomes experienced. Policing, EMS, fire and rescue, etc. are *inherently* dangerous. "Putting your life on the line" isn't just a catchy colloquiallism. The question is, what *mitigates* the risk of injury and death when this is the case? The answer is training and experience, plus strategic protocols (for example, calling for backup), for starters.
I believe it was the age someone is as they graduate High School. They were considered Adults, but I agree it should be raised due to social manipulation by politics. People need to live outside the petri dish of college for a few years and have to learn true life experiences before they help make one of the most important choices we make. The influence in college is not the same as Real life. I wish they would do a poll on college students vs them later out of college at the age of 25 to compare how they change.( Without them knowing it is going to happen)
No buddy if your old enough to fight for your country, sign legal contracts, own a gun, be tried as an adult for a crime....etc....you should be able to vote
No, it's not automatic to compare apples to oranges. You're conflating rights with privileges. Were you even paying attention to the lesson this professor gave? You're the reason the voting age should be 25 AND should have to pass the US civics test immigrants take.
He is a great teacher. This reminds me of a class I had in high school that was called political radicalism. I think these conversations are extremely beneficial to have. I feel like that class largely influenced my ability to think critically.
Good class. There should be much more of this type of "thinking" drills with young students. I noticed, however, the professor didn't go into comparing the total population of police officers to the number that died in the line of duty, in a similar way as when he compared total racial population breakdown to those killed by the police. The total police officer population in the U.S. is roughly 800,000.
He did do that. It was at 3:07. The officer population number he had was 900,000. Their yearly death rate is 99 per million. If you compare that to the rate of unarmed Black people getting killed by cops in the companion video, the cop death rate is over a *hundred* times higher!
The cop death rate was 9.9 per 100k. The black death rate by cop was 1 per 250 K. That makes the cop rate a bit less than 25 times higher, not a hundred times higher.
He also didn’t point out that black people are 13% of the population but commit over 50% of the violent crime. Gee, might that inform the statistic about how many get shot by police?
This is by far the best example of "Facts don't care about your feelings" being a police officer is a dangerous job yes. But not nearly as dangerous as the men roofing your house.
Yes but as this professor has mentioned in other videos, what do those numbers (facts) mean. If a roofer doesn't wear his fall restraint and ends up falling and dying, is it the job being inherently more dangerous or the negligence of the individual? I would wager that police officers don't likely forget to wear their ballistic vest. But thats just a guess I don't have any data to support.
When a police officer is killed or "died" in the line of duty, that officer died doing something positive for society. So, it is a tremendous sacrifice for the community he or she serves. When a citizen is killed by police, chances are that citizen was doing or was about to do something evil. So, that's probably a totally different type of loss.
One miss in the reasoning was to assume that a heart attack should be listed as died and not killed. If the heart attack just happened, then yes, died. If the heart attack was the result of a struggle I would call that killed. A direct result of the activity that likely would not have happened without the struggle. This video is a good example of thinking things through, but also shows how hard it is to think of everything.
Great point! This is exactly what happens any time someone (usually blacks) die in police custody but without having been shot). It should only vary really in the fact that the police officer is within the law to detain or attempt to detain a suspect when he is killed vs. the civilian that dies indirectly from struggling is already breaking the law and thus causing their own death.
What this class doesn’t understand that the danger isn’t just death but the attempt to kill or seriously injury is tremendous. If one is shot but is hit in the bulletproof vest or the emergency room saves their life, it doesn’t mean it’s not dangerous. A lot of officers are permanently maimed by these injuries.
It would be great if we had satistics on how many people are maimed through police use of force too. Saying our department never killed anyone doesn't highlight how many people have been bruised, suffered broken bones and concussions, ect.
@@wood9670 then you'd have to delineate between justified and unjustified uses of force, because a lot of these people (same as those shot and killed by police) bring it upon themselves by violently resisting a lawful and moral arrest.
@@YON_RO Oh, I wholeheartedly agree. This is why we need public accessibility of police body cam. A federal database of police encounters that allows researchers to utilize A.I. and other technical methodologies to track and analyze use-of-force incidents. It will be harder for "bad apples" to hide when their policing is compared to incidents across the State and country. It will also allow the public to see detainees wildn out unnecessarily.
A lot are injured every year. Most return to duty eventually, but injury is considered a normal thing within most agencies. Similar to being on a sports team. It is just a part of the job
Usually the Officers died from heart attacks either after struggling with suspects or during the physical training. The drownings are while trying to save someone's life.
That's because there isn't a real 'physical' requirement after you get out of the academy. More than half let themselves reaaaally go. It's disgusting. Gets even worse when you see a promotion.
Asking questiosns, getting them involved, make the students think AND look up statistics, teaching how words and langauage is being used... Excellent teacher !
He teaches at Penn State (located in State College, PA) which is fairly balanced in terms of political leaning. On top of that, his class fills every semester and is overall extremely popular. He doesn't get pushback, as students enjoy his course and actually want to be in the course, and in the world of academia sociology is a social science that's meant to challenge one's way of thinking when discussing a topic so I highly doubt he's getting any pushback from colleagues.
So what was the message here? Police aren't being killed as often as political entities want us to believe? How about he pull up FBI statistics on homicide in the USA. I think he'd be shocked to see who's responsible for most of the murder in the country.
@@slashbashful6549 Leftists are notorious for freaking out against anything that challenges their world views. It usually ends with protests and riots on campus from them.
Also, what about officers killed when not in the line of duty, but as a consequence of it? If I am a detective investigating organised crime, a drug cartel or a human trafficking ring and I am suddenly discovered shot dead in my home and the evidence points to a professional hit, I'd imagine the direct cause would be my profession.
@@chelleyroberts But the stats don't clarify that. What about situations of off duty cops getting killed when they stumble across s crime in progress and they try to intervene? It's an established legal principle that you can't get charged for killing a police officer if you didn't know they were a cop, so for the purpose of the stats, if a cop is in a 7/11, an armed rober comes in and an off duty cop tries to reach for his off duty weapon but gets killed before he can identify himself as a cop, the robber can't get done for cop killing, so do the stats reflect the charge?
Saying it's not a dangerous job just because a small percentage die is not accurate. What happens if you are seriously injured / disabled? Why does that not count? That should be a factor as well. You can be shot or stabbed and not die. In my opinion, if i have the chance to be shot or stabbed, that would be a dangerous job.
@@cuzican1902 injured dont count, since they are talking about deaths. Still count toward the danger of a job, but talking about death there is a very clear line that needs to be crossed before something counts
Re Killed versus died- these are all service related deaths as opposed to just dying at your desk. The heart attacks were probably old guys running down suspects or from combat stress. They were killed by the job, from something they would not deal with at some other job. I don't think its misleading.
It's misleading in the context of the conversation. The discussion is are cops being killed by suspects/criminals. That's the discussion and it is an important distinction. I agree that there are increased stressors in these first responder careers but again it's not a disrespect but a difference in terminology is important to parse the statistics.
It is very misleading. The last couple of years this same website has included offices "killed" by covid. It is a way to artificially inflate the numbers to garner political favor.
The only issue I might have here is I want to know for certain that these numbers are in fact LEO's who DIED on duty and not LEO's who were KILLED on duty. Because in the instance of heart attacks, 911 illness, et. if you die as a result of a crime being committed the person committing the crime can be charged with murder/manslaughter because the understanding is if you hadn't committed the crime that person would not be dead now. So just like if a burglar breaks into a shop and the shop owner has a heart attack and dies that would be considered murder/manslaughter, it is the same if an LEO dies in responding to a crime.
One caveat, the heart attacks aren't just an officer having a heart attack, it's having a heart attack as a result of a confrontation, thus a felonious death. And, yes roofers are more likely to die on the job. Yet, the difference is in intent, roofs don't intend to kill roofers.
Saying its less dangerous than a roofer doesnt take into account injuries. Less deadly yes, but remember during a response EMS is also right there usually to help with life and death injuries. A roofing company doesnt have an Ambulance right there. As a CO ive been in over 100 life and death fights. Every single one injured me. Heart attacks can also be due to smoke inhalation from an accident or fire.
Your slide from the officer down website said “felonious.” You said the website was being deceitful about the heart attack numbers. Mistake on your part?
I wonder if this instructor or professor got any push back from this. I would imagine that this is would be a harsh truth for many. I am amazed that this is on you tube still.
It would be very unwise for UA-cam to start discrediting data produced from reputable sources. The truth might be unpalatable for some , but truth should always matter more than opinion.
It always amazes me that none of these kids feel the compassion and empathy for a family who lost their loved one to violent crime. It never even comes to mind for them. This country would fall in hours without police.
True,just look at the cities that defunded the police,crime went through the roof,now they’re asking for more police. I don’t know why they even thought it was a good idea.
Look at all the kids whose lives are lost due to gang stray bullets. Those stories get like 15 seconds on the local news AT BEST. Meanwhile guys like Floyd are national stories and basically get deified. We are such a backwards country.
Unless they are directly affected, they will never stop and think critically. They are programmed and designed by the internet to follow the masses (if they want to fit in). I always find it amusing when a friend or employee experiences something that gets them to question their programming. I find it even more amusing when they reach a new understanding, but then willfully act blind, so they aren't shunned by their group.
@vanjabarudzija No, these kids have never been victims of violent crime. They are insulated from it. So, in their minds, these police are the enemy. Americans who don't have wealth, we know the police are our heroes. The police have saved my life more than once. In fact, the police sometimes are the only ones who care for a lot of people who have no family or friends. Trust me, the police are the most thoughtful and caring individuals in our society. They are not criminals. We wouldn't hire criminals to watch over our most vulnerable. However, in America, bad people exist in every career choice. We have a lot of criminality here. With freedom comes temptation.
@p38shocker... Never gonna happen bro. The banker tribe is involved in a centuries old plan to use non-whites to suppress whites into the global order of "shut up and take it." The banker tribe was evicted from 87 white European city states and kingdoms, 110 different times in the Christian era. Whites won't willingly submit to the rule of mercantilism, so they get whites to participate in mercantilism (think white flight) by scaring them to death with violence that is more common among non-whites. The result is high home prices where they are indentures of the bank. It's a control measure.
Google his name. He seems to be very much in favor of all the other lefty academic hits like white privilege, transgenderism, CRT etc. So they leave him alone when he talks about the number of black people being killed by police and so on. His classes seem to be pretty popular as well, so he's probably shielded a bit.
We should also take into account that the number of officers that are killed in the line of duty, however small, is the other side of the statistics mentioned in the other video about the number and ethnicity of people killed by the police in the line of duty. The important thing to consider is that police officers are trained to survive these incidents. The job of a policeman has always been dangerous, and their training include lessons learned over generations. This means that they are more likely to survive an encounter than the civilian that is acting unlawfully. Also, remember that TV shows hardly follow reality. Shoot them in the leg, and other such things are not as depicted by TV shows and movies.
Yup, and as "small" as you say the cop death rate is, it is over *one hundred* times higher than the rate of unarmed black people being killed by cops. From ua-cam.com/video/FBpPSVQHSmk/v-deo.html
2:59 It really bothers me that people say the date wrong. Nine, one, one is a phone number. Nine Eleven is a date. We don't call the day after the tenth the one onenth, it's the eleventh. Calling it nine one one purposely demeans the meaning of remembering what happened that day.
A great example of critical thinking. You really have to pay attention to where you get the data that you form your opinions around and the language used in presenting that data.
How true! The ACT and SAT tests had to be dumbed down as the last couple generations were having trouble passing them……. Grade inflation has taken over the Universities as everyone now gets A’s or B’s……….. pathetic……..
This was five years ago. Currently in 2023 there have been over 500 police officers murdered in the line of duty.. The thing that makes it so maddening is that the people who are charged with their murders are released with no bail
It’s also worth noting, that part of the reason the numbers are lower is that police have gotten a lot better at treating/responding to things like gunshot wounds. Many carry tourniquets, have better first aid training, etc. similarly many roofers don’t actually follow all proper safety protocols and precautions. So it’s somewhat misleading to say that being a roofer is much more dangerous than being a police officer, even though one could think that from the statistics mentioned without additional context.
I've known colleagues who ended up retiring with debilitating injuries due to struggling with or being assaulted by suspects, only to end up taking their own lives due to the depression caused by being constantly dependant on pain medication. They don't count those in the statistics.
I think he counted vehicle accidents as “killed intentionally in the line of duty”. How many were run over or crashed into intentionally? How many crashed in a chase? How many crashed while on patrol?
Roofers dying on the job are not Murdered on the job. That is very different. I would suspect that taxi drivers are Murdered on the job more often than Cops. Again the difference is taxi drivers for the most point are killed from behind or dont shoot back
he was addressing his point from the beginning where people make claims that police have the most dangerous job in the world. He wasn't claiming they were killed, he was proving roofing is far more dangerous.
Have no idea how these are not cancelled yet, but great job. I think it would have been appropriate to point out how people are willing to tell the black kid who has a 1:250000 chance of getting killed by police that he needs to be careful, but the same person say 9:100000 (which is pretty close to 1:11000) that the cop doesn't really have much to worry about.
One gets donations and the other doesn't. Now helping the "oppressed" makes you a "good person" while helping the oppressor makes you a villain. "We" have decided that all police are the oppressors and all people of color are oppressed. FJB
@@5GburnI respect people who have a thankless job, but you need to understand that American police are by far the worst trained of any developed country. If police unions don’t like those numbers (and they shouldn’t) they need to put pressure on the higher ups to actually train our police
@@enginerunsable Thirteen percent of the population are responsible for 40 percent of police officer deaths. But the thirteen percent complain how police treat them.
I'm assuming because not that many officers are killed in the line of duty each year. Not the safest job by all means, but also not the most dangerous as some would portray. So if you're a cop you are likely to be killed by a white or black guy, IF you are killed at all. One can easily put that to circumstances, crime rates are higher in lower-income communities, thus more interactions. The question is why the ratio of blacks is so high to be in lower income communities? Let me guess your answer, culture huh?
Glad that this type of education is finally being discussed with the youth of America. Its late but necessary to try and stop the escalation of delusional thinking amongst many
I love how he simply challenged their nonspecific ideas of law enforcement, and related issues, with facts, but specifically omitted his own opinions, and made it clear that there are many ways to look at this data, and one isn’t necessarily more right than another. He subtly provoked them into thinking deeply about their own beliefs, as any good teacher should.
I wonder what the number would be if you corrected for certain death incidents that weren't deaths by virtue of intervention by EMTs, Fire/Rescue, other cops and so forth?
What amazed me rather than the statistics he sited was the fact that he left out on the same memorial page it says 43.000 assaults per year, a third of them result in injury. Is that a little? Is that a lot? Would that professor perhaps want to be assaulted 43.000 times?
To say that heart attacks are not deaths related to police work is the same thing to say thay suicide in the military are not related to PTSD from combat. Police work, especially in certain areas are extremely stressful. Maybe not all cases are related but there is a obvious link. From a 2014 NBC article "Can Being a Cop Kill You? Sudden Stress Raises Cardiac Risks: Study": (...) “We found that stressful and physically demanding law enforcement activities were associated with large increases in the risk of sudden cardiac death, compared with routine/non-emergency policing activities,” the team, led by Stefanos Kales of the Harvard School of Public Health, wrote."
Excellent point about the political use of "killed" vs. "died." In modern political parlance, one must create a narrative to make and enforce one's position by manipulating the language to serve a cause.
144 police officer deaths (his slide at 3:06). 89 "intentional" for a rate of 9.9 in 100k. 6:20 he says 35 per 100k roofers die in work. Then calls roofing profession 3.5 times more dangerous than policing while saying "no one is trying to kill roofers." He's comparing the full deaths on the job data of roofers vs murders of police officers which isn't an apples to apples comparison. I don't agree with death being the only dangerous consequence that can be suffered from a profession. Also his misuse of statistics to paint a narrative shows his bias. Everyone has biases that you must act to try to contest. Speaking quickly and spitting out numbers with vague relevance to your arguments may trick some people, but it is dishonest and shows a biased way of thinking.
The advances in trauma management and the use of body armor have made the number of Officers killed lower by the number involved in violate indents is still high
Completely different causes of death though. I'd assume that deaths of roofers are almost exclusively accidents and complacency, whereas police are targeted and have bias against them. Cops may die less per capita, but those deaths are intentional acts against them, whereas roofers die in accidents, not intentional attacks. One is danger out of ones control, one is danger as a result of their own (or yes, other roofers) actions. Also comes back to the statistics, the numbers are numbers. Why the numbers are there is beside the point, as there could be so many complicating factors. Even something as simple as intelligence requirements could come in, you could claim that the barrier for entry into the police force requires much more intelligence than that into roofing, therefore roofers die more because they have lower intelligence. It may not be the case, but the argument could be made.
The facts don't lie. Clearly been a roofer is more dangerous, doesn't matter the difference in cause of death . That's just silly semantics. 3x as much . I sat in a union meeting that highlighted the fact that over 4x as much construction workers die compared to soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq . But that's a war right? Clearly it's more dangerous. Wel know it's not the numbers don't lie. Deaths equal the likelihood of death in any giving occupation therefore the danger element. I was surprised how low cops where to roofers alone facter in the construction industry as a whole or even farming and you'll soon see which occupations hold more risk.
Prime example of statistically lying is his own presentation: 89 "killed" > used to calculate 10 per 100,000 He compared it to 35 per 100,000 roofers (which is almost all accidents) But the death account with accidents included for cops is 144 144 deaths = 16 per 100,000 Not a serious lie, but a lie is a lie Also dying from accidents and murder attempts are two wholly different concepts.
He makes some great points but his complaints of the outlet using the word "killed" falls flat. Almost every death could be filed under killed. Even some of the heart attacks could be depending on what brought on said heart attack. Did the cop go into cardiac arrest while fighting an assailant? Killed is the most accurate description and is the term workman's comp typically uses when discussing or honoring those, from store clerks to construction workers, killed in the line of employment.
Its astonishing how completely clueless these students are. When asked about the ratios they respond, "well its a lot because its a life". WTF has that got to do with anything that he's trying to communicate.
If a person has a heart attack due to the stress of a situation caused by another, specifically a violent situation, I would consider that in the grey area but leaning towards "killed."
Couple of questions: 1) is the reference only for police officers that are working “on the road” 2) And what is the average career length for these officers. Because these were only yearly statistics.
Roofers, loggers, electrical linemen...they all have worse death stats than officers. But, think about this...officers don't go to work with a hammer or large cutting tools. They go to work with pepper spray, baton, stun gun device, and a pistol or other firearm, and years of defensive tactics training. They have back-up with them as much as possible, and imagine if they didn't have all of those things while getting into the countless number of fights and shooting scenarios. The death rate would be astronomical without all of those tools and training. So the next time anyone brings up how much more "dangerous" other jobs are compared to law enforcement, think about what would happen if cops did their job without their normal gun belt and everything else on it. Think about how they do go to work with all of that, and STILL get killed by intentional and felonious acts despite that.
All of those jobs you stated also require safety training and personal protection. Roofer without any fall protection or training, would be a well payed job for the few survivors. All the dangerous jobs require safety gear, its just not "people" thats your main threat.
I don’t know that it’s fair to say roofing is more dangerous. By overall deaths sure, but I would want to understand injures and how many people are actively trying to do harm to an officer. Officer actively mitigate against threats daily, and constantly have to worry about being assaulted or killed.
I agree, but he did acknowledge that no one is trying to kill roofers. There are countless assaults on police officers on a daily basis, so I think that's important to factor into this conversation as well. And, like you are speaking to, it's the manner in which the officers are killed, not the numbers alone.
@@Laroac I don't think anyone is truly comparing the dangers inherent with certain professions. My point was concurring with the original poster and saying that while many other professions have higher death rates, the manner in which those individuals die is extremely different. It's not a matter of saying that one profession or one individual is of greater worth or more importance than another one. But, I believe it's an important distinction that even though the numbers are lower, many officers are feloniously killed and not killed due to accidents inherent with the job.
The white girl with the microphone is so familiar but I just can't place her. She's been in some other video somewhere or she reminds me of someone who has. Help me out, where do I know her from?
"(Being a roofer) is 3.5 times more dangerous a profession than being a police officer". Statistically it may be, but a roofer doesn't climb up concerned will this roof kill me, like a police officer fears at every traffic stop.
This clip leaves out the exponentially higher cases of officers that are injured each year, or (exponentially higher still) being assaulted without reporting an injury. A roofer falling and breaking his leg does not carry the society-wide moral entanglement that comes with a criminal breaking a cop's leg. A near-miss on a job site using a power saw is not comparable to having someone try to stab you and fail.
The best statement...."I am increasingly alarmed that people talk about things they have no idea about"
Welcome to what gun rights advocates have to deal with from anti-gun zealots.
democracy's fatal flaw
The guy literally asked what their gut feeling was. Decent presentation overall, but that was an odd statement when she was only responding to his question.
@@peacefuljeffrey retard
@@peacefuljeffrey Liberals hate facts and logic. The reason Liberals want us disarmed is because their political ideology cannot work with an armed populace.
I appreciate you covering this. As a disabled 9/11 first responder and retired NYPD Detective, it definitely means a lot to me.
May be corny: Thank you for your bravery that day
@@rustyshackleford6789 Thank you so much. It really means a lot to me.
You don't get enough credit. Any traffic stop, door entry, warrant service, could be your last. Whether it's a drunk who hits you on the side of the road, or a mental illness person who thinks you are the cause of all their problems, thank you for you did.
God Bless you Sir. Love from Ireland...And just one thing to the other guy in the comment section, it never sounds cringe thanking one for their service...
Thank you for your service! I’m so glad you survived although I’m sure the experience still hurts you
Police don’t get killed as often as people think they do, but they do have incredibly high rates of being; punched kicked, bit, shot, spit on. A friend of mine was literally hit with a dead baby by a maniac.
Police can live through their career. Quite easily, there are more deadly jobs. They do, however take tremendous psychic damage. My friend did not sleep well after being hit with a dead baby.
Stress kills.
Excellent points! Thank you!
This is the kind of thing you cant really quantify into a chart .
I'd love to see the stats on injury rates vs fatality rates in various professions. While I agree with the premise that policing probably isn't "the most dangerous" job and that a lot of other, more seemingly mundane jobs are likely more dangerous, some of that also ties into what's done to prevent casualties, i.e. training and procedures, which can mask some of the accuracy of what makes a job dangerous or not.
@captainkirrahe There's probably a lot to what you said about some normal jobs being more physically dangerous. I'm sure construction is statistically more dangerous, but if you factor minimal safety training, no drug or alcohol test, and a general disregard for safety by some, it would probably be much lower.
Wow! I hope these kids realize how lucky they are to take this amazing professor’s class. He challenges and opens minds>
He adjusts his stats to fit his own narrative like everyone. Not unbiased, just different
@@prospero4183proof? We need proof for a serious accusation like that.
I was just saying to my wife that his delivery is... I'm not even sure what word to use, and so, for lack of a better, I'll say superior. These are stone cold facts, and it's not easy to present stone cold facts in such a warm, pleasant manner. It is in fact beyond me
@@madmonkeymob34g12it's ridiculous to say. He isn't "adjusting" anything. He's using numbers pulled straight from FBI.gov web page table 43A anyone who cares to take the time to can check them against his presentation
@@prospero4183 what specific adjust were made and what is his narrative?
In the academy back in the 80s, I was taught car accidents were the number one cause. Heart attacks can be a big deal. I've had one. Many from my agency in California have had heart attacks. We were in shape and ate clean. Studies show it is caused by so many adrenaline dumps night after night.
stress is murder
Too many donuts.. lol. I think there have been studies that link the health issues to the shift work as well that is tough enough on the young kids, but when you have a family and work 2 ,12 hour days followed by 2 12 hour nights it ages you quickly. But all the cops I know that died on the job were car accidents or were hit by a car during a traffic stop.
What is an adrenaline dump?
Your body will produce a crazy amount of adrenaline when in a serious fight or flight situation. It places a lot of pressure on you body. The first time I was shot at was back in the late 80s. A tweaker opened up on me with a shotgun. After the situation was over, my body started shaking from the adrenaline pumping through me. I was trying to just hang loose so there was no activity to eat up the adrenaline.@@man4YAWEH454
@@man4YAWEH454 an adrenaline dump is your body's way of dealing with a fight-or-flight reaction. In flight or flight your body secretes hormones that increase focus and strength and the blood leaves your brain and goes to your muscles and heart to prepare you to run away or fight. This can be exhausting. Sometimes cops have more than one call a shift like that. The body can not handle it especially when the natural reaction is to physically explode. What makes it harder on the cop is that their training teaches them to control that natural urge to eradicate the threat once the threat is subdued and the natural release is further impaired. This further leads to PTSD since the natural instinct is to the eradicate the threat and now you have to be kind to the very threat that was just trying to end your life.
The young black lady up front seems to be stunned by these facts...yet stubbornly holds on to her bias about the issue. Her body language, expression on her face, she's very uncomfortable about this professor's truth.
It does go to show how the media uses those stats to ingrain the victim hood mentality into people!! Being brought up to think a certain way just because of your race and accepting that at face value without looking at the reasons behind it has to be changed by each person, from the inside out!!!!
Actually the young black Lady doesn't Talk at all in this clip. it looks like you are clinging to your own prejudice. are you uncomfortable with checking your facts?
@adhardino9781 there are several other videos of the same lecture where that woman did exactly what @mikeh71 said though.
@@adhardino9781The op didn't say the woman spoke ...although she did guess the number of police officers killed in the line of duty as 500 (an incorrect guess, but she said it nonetheless).
Probably because she has her OWN TRUTH that most people that aren't black or female or that age can grasp
Now let's include statistics on how many law enforcement officers that has been injured by violent attacks, or would have been severely injured or killed had it not been for their protective gear such as vests, helmets and shields. I'd say that's in the thousands.
You forgot to mention the most effective protective gear. Qualified immunity, unions, internal investigations, and cowardice (Uvalde).
@@jaysen6938
No.
Great teacher keeping politicing out. We need this more in classrooms.
A very good professor. Thank you for teaching these kids to think for themselves. Sad state of our educational system where some fields brain wash their students. I am so fortunate that I taught math and engineering. Facts are pretty clear in my field.
It's said that many professors teach their students what to think. These are activists simply using their position to advance their agenda. This professor is teaching students HOW to think. I wish I had him as a professor. I know for sure that due to the polarization, these lessons aren't reaching every one of those students. There will be some closed minds in that lecture hall, but I like to believe that most of them had an open mind enough to learn what he's trying to teach.
The problem is he trying to paint it out as if policing isn't that dangerous because the amount of officers who are killed in line of duty is so low.
There other variable is ignoring. Varibles that show very deadly it can be to be a police officer.
For example if we expanded upon it to included officer injured or wounded in the line of duty that number would skyrocket.
@@michaelrunk5930 I'm not sure that is what he is implying. He is implying that the public sees policing as more fatally dangerous than it is and to think about the source of the information as to any possible bias. BTW being a Fisherman is a way more dangerous occupation. The low fatality rate is also due to training. Firemen are a special breed to, but these guys assume the risk, and saving lives for a living is worth the trade off to them.
I do not think any reasonable person thinks that being a cop is not a dangerous job. I have had friends stabbed, run over by a vehicle, hid behind the curb for cover as a bank robber fired at him from the rooftop and one had a machete swung at him on his first day, all on the job and only a few of the occurrences that popped into my head. And these are stories from the small percentage of the police that I actually know.
I think more STEM type people need to go into education - in non STEM classes. I graduated from Purdue. First five semesters were in mechanical engineering, then I transferred to sociology (Criminology and Criminal Justice). The difference in the professors was like night and day - the students as well.
This sociology professor is better than most, but even he interjects his biases into his classes. I remember writing papers, not about what I researched, but aimed at pleasing the individual professor based upon his or her biases. Coming out of math and science (actual science - not "follow the science"), this was weird to observe and have to accept.
@@TeranRealtor I think is a sad state of our educational system, when this professor should be the minimum standard for teaching opinion based courses and he presents as one of the better ones, although your comment about STEM professors teaching "opinion" classes may not be a solution. We are only as objective as our material. As a former engineering math professor with a Civil, Mechanical and Electrical engineering degree, I can say that even these areas of expertise have a sliding scale of "truth" to them. Math is pretty much the most objective subject material. When it takes over 600 pages to prove 1 + 1 =2 (and proof was not yet complete) , then perhaps this has gone too far.
Even engineering has a sliding scale of truth to it. Electrical is the most solid wrt theory. For example if your computer only made one mistake in a million, you would be making a million mistakes every few seconds. With mechanical we know theory and practice are amiss and we need to develop safety factors. In civil these safety factors diverge to 5 or 6 on some designs. I am sure you were in a lecture where the professor said this is what theory says, but we know it only works from this boundary to this boundary. If engineers were not critical thinkers, that floating roof the architect wanted would collapse and kill people.
I guess from the perspective of objectivity, a STEM professor would be more critical of the data, but even statistics is an invented math, subject to user bias. My office mate was a geophysicist before he started teaching math. His job was to critique the stats submitted, to discern whether they said what the author claimed or if they were manipulated.
WRT to opinion based subjects like the humanities, user bias is built into subjective data. For example a correlation of 0.60 is publishable in psychology (one of the more objective, opinionated humanities and considered by some to be science like), and in my field 0.60 means you are wrong. How would a STEM professor teach opinion courses like sociology or history, with out spending 30 out of the 40 hours of course time on caveats.
73 died feloniously in 2021 alone. Please remember that this video holds old statistics and is not an up to date representation of the issues at hand. Remember to look up and see that this was six years ago.
Whats very sad is that we are now losing more officers to suicide every year than are killed in the line of duty, and you cannot separate those deaths from their profession, because they are very much related. Not to mention how many do we lose to alcoholism and substance abuse brought on by the stress of the job? The same goes for firefighters and military/vets. First responders are not super heroes, they are simply humans with special training but society expects them to react as super humans to horriblly stressful situations every single day. No one bats an eye as to what toll that daily stress takes on them, even moreso now because our society has demonized the police, making their jobs even more stressful.
This comment is sad but hey You should buy a roofer a six pack cuz they have 3 Times the risk of dying that cops have... (You know you enjoy the shade they provide us)
@@Soul_Biscuit20 times the risk my man not 3
@@Soul_Biscuit How many roofers have to deal with suicides or kids being raped or drug deaths on a daily bases?
@@JJ-nu8qi ever hear a joke?…Guess not.
@@Soul_Biscuit you were not joking douche
They will attempt to cancel him next. I love these classes. He's a great professor.
That was my first thought when he began to clearly challenge the ignorant black narrative of victimization that dominates society today.
@@peacefuljeffrey This was from five years ago. He hasn’t been cancelled.
I don't think he was challenging a black narrative. He was giving numbers to allow us to infer and further understand the danger to cops in the field.
yeah republicans like banning books and cancelling people so yeah pretty soon.
@@peacefuljeffrey “the ignorant black narrative of victimisation”
Bruh
I don't understand why so many students are on their phones and not paying attention
Welcome to the 21st century
@@JoeHatfield-e4k I wouldn't tolerate it, as at bare minimum is it disrespectful.
The info isn't moving quickly and 99%of it you can understand by listening and glancing at the projector every 5 minutes.
I would be on my phone and still ace any test he gave on the subjects discussed. I watched in 2x speed and still was doing other things while listening and was able to follow along with very little effort.
Showing 100% attention is only necessary if that's the level of attention you need to absorb the info or if the teacher enforces it out of "respect". But how do you respect someone enforces respectful behavior instead of earning it? It feels authoritarian.
Also, if you're paying for the class, you can choose how best to utilize the service.
And just to cover the ad hom rebuttals, I'm a college graduate in a STEM field, I'm in my 30s, I own a house and I'm basically debt free and I got zero financial assistance from the Govt or my family.
Nobody on this thread or in that class will ever become a LEO. Policing is a job those 'other' people do.
It’s kind of like what John Kerry said on the campaign trail in 2004.
“You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.”
And why would you? I believe in law and order, but when your DAs and politicians are cutting your legs out from under you, there's no incentive for the duty motivated. And the financial incentives are peanuts. AND on top of it, you have to put your life on the line and potentially have millions of people go over the worst moments in your life with a microscope when you had 3 seconds to make a decision.
Why would any sane person become a LEO in this era?
This discussion highlights the need to talk about danger *inherent* in an occupation, sport, or any other activity versus outcomes experienced.
Policing, EMS, fire and rescue, etc. are *inherently* dangerous. "Putting your life on the line" isn't just a catchy colloquiallism. The question is, what *mitigates* the risk of injury and death when this is the case?
The answer is training and experience, plus strategic protocols (for example, calling for backup), for starters.
These lectures are great and to me this is actual critical thinking. It also proves the point that the voting age should be changed to 25.
Where does the age requirement come from?
@@AxeWoundHero oh I understand, I’m just curious where 18 to vote came from in its origins.
I believe it was the age someone is as they graduate High School. They were considered Adults, but I agree it should be raised due to social manipulation by politics. People need to live outside the petri dish of college for a few years and have to learn true life experiences before they help make one of the most important choices we make. The influence in college is not the same as Real life. I wish they would do a poll on college students vs them later out of college at the age of 25 to compare how they change.( Without them knowing it is going to happen)
No buddy if your old enough to fight for your country, sign legal contracts, own a gun, be tried as an adult for a crime....etc....you should be able to vote
No, it's not automatic to compare apples to oranges. You're conflating rights with privileges. Were you even paying attention to the lesson this professor gave? You're the reason the voting age should be 25 AND should have to pass the US civics test immigrants take.
He is a great teacher. This reminds me of a class I had in high school that was called political radicalism. I think these conversations are extremely beneficial to have. I feel like that class largely influenced my ability to think critically.
Good class. There should be much more of this type of "thinking" drills with young students. I noticed, however, the professor didn't go into comparing the total population of police officers to the number that died in the line of duty, in a similar way as when he compared total racial population breakdown to those killed by the police. The total police officer population in the U.S. is roughly 800,000.
He did do that. It was at 3:07. The officer population number he had was 900,000. Their yearly death rate is 99 per million. If you compare that to the rate of unarmed Black people getting killed by cops in the companion video, the cop death rate is over a *hundred* times higher!
The cop death rate was 9.9 per 100k. The black death rate by cop was 1 per 250 K. That makes the cop rate a bit less than 25 times higher, not a hundred times higher.
Not many are trying to kill roofers even though there are more deaths, the huge difference is accident versus homicide in the profession disparity.
@@jumpoutatree He said “unarmed black people,” and his figure was correct for that group.
He also didn’t point out that black people are 13% of the population but commit over 50% of the violent crime. Gee, might that inform the statistic about how many get shot by police?
I was under fire five times in three years. I was never wounded but other officers around me were.
This guy's response is "Corpses or it never happened."
This is by far the best example of "Facts don't care about your feelings" being a police officer is a dangerous job yes. But not nearly as dangerous as the men roofing your house.
Yes but as this professor has mentioned in other videos, what do those numbers (facts) mean. If a roofer doesn't wear his fall restraint and ends up falling and dying, is it the job being inherently more dangerous or the negligence of the individual? I would wager that police officers don't likely forget to wear their ballistic vest. But thats just a guess I don't have any data to support.
Watching this 6 years after its release....
I hope that society has been able to improve upon these numbers, for the betterment of mankind.
We haven’t. It’s gotten worse.
When a police officer is killed or "died" in the line of duty, that officer died doing something positive for society. So, it is a tremendous sacrifice for the community he or she serves. When a citizen is killed by police, chances are that citizen was doing or was about to do something evil. So, that's probably a totally different type of loss.
You have a way too optimistic view of police
One miss in the reasoning was to assume that a heart attack should be listed as died and not killed. If the heart attack just happened, then yes, died. If the heart attack was the result of a struggle I would call that killed. A direct result of the activity that likely would not have happened without the struggle. This video is a good example of thinking things through, but also shows how hard it is to think of everything.
Great point! This is exactly what happens any time someone (usually blacks) die in police custody but without having been shot). It should only vary really in the fact that the police officer is within the law to detain or attempt to detain a suspect when he is killed vs. the civilian that dies indirectly from struggling is already breaking the law and thus causing their own death.
Prof, the media thrives on polarization. It produces revenue.
What this class doesn’t understand that the danger isn’t just death but the attempt to kill or seriously injury is tremendous. If one is shot but is hit in the bulletproof vest or the emergency room saves their life, it doesn’t mean it’s not dangerous. A lot of officers are permanently maimed by these injuries.
It would be great if we had satistics on how many people are maimed through police use of force too. Saying our department never killed anyone doesn't highlight how many people have been bruised, suffered broken bones and concussions, ect.
@@wood9670 then you'd have to delineate between justified and unjustified uses of force, because a lot of these people (same as those shot and killed by police) bring it upon themselves by violently resisting a lawful and moral arrest.
@@YON_RO Oh, I wholeheartedly agree. This is why we need public accessibility of police body cam. A federal database of police encounters that allows researchers to utilize A.I. and other technical methodologies to track and analyze use-of-force incidents. It will be harder for "bad apples" to hide when their policing is compared to incidents across the State and country. It will also allow the public to see detainees wildn out unnecessarily.
How many police officers are injured or permanently injured in the line of duty.
Who cares? They signed up for it, usually because of a Napoleon Complex
A lot are injured every year. Most return to duty eventually, but injury is considered a normal thing within most agencies. Similar to being on a sports team. It is just a part of the job
Usually the Officers died from heart attacks either after struggling with suspects or during the physical training. The drownings are while trying to save someone's life.
More like donut overdoses.
That's because there isn't a real 'physical' requirement after you get out of the academy. More than half let themselves reaaaally go. It's disgusting. Gets even worse when you see a promotion.
Asking questiosns, getting them involved, make the students think AND look up statistics, teaching how words and langauage is being used...
Excellent teacher !
Given the political climate on campus, how did he get away with this factual presentation in the contra-factual world of academia?
He teaches at Penn State (located in State College, PA) which is fairly balanced in terms of political leaning. On top of that, his class fills every semester and is overall extremely popular. He doesn't get pushback, as students enjoy his course and actually want to be in the course, and in the world of academia sociology is a social science that's meant to challenge one's way of thinking when discussing a topic so I highly doubt he's getting any pushback from colleagues.
I don't doubt it.@@slashbashful6549
So what was the message here? Police aren't being killed as often as political entities want us to believe? How about he pull up FBI statistics on homicide in the USA. I think he'd be shocked to see who's responsible for most of the murder in the country.
Because every college isnt like the ones you see in viral videos. Keep in mind you arent immune to propaganda.
@@slashbashful6549 Leftists are notorious for freaking out against anything that challenges their world views. It usually ends with protests and riots on campus from them.
"Killed" depends, somewhat to the situation. Was the heart attack while dealing with a situation? or just sitting in their car?
Also, what about officers killed when not in the line of duty, but as a consequence of it?
If I am a detective investigating organised crime, a drug cartel or a human trafficking ring and I am suddenly discovered shot dead in my home and the evidence points to a professional hit, I'd imagine the direct cause would be my profession.
@@TheAmateurEditor I would argue that could still be “line of duty”. The cause of death is directly related.
@@chelleyroberts But the stats don't clarify that. What about situations of off duty cops getting killed when they stumble across s crime in progress and they try to intervene?
It's an established legal principle that you can't get charged for killing a police officer if you didn't know they were a cop, so for the purpose of the stats, if a cop is in a 7/11, an armed rober comes in and an off duty cop tries to reach for his off duty weapon but gets killed before he can identify himself as a cop, the robber can't get done for cop killing, so do the stats reflect the charge?
Saying it's not a dangerous job just because a small percentage die is not accurate. What happens if you are seriously injured / disabled? Why does that not count? That should be a factor as well. You can be shot or stabbed and not die. In my opinion, if i have the chance to be shot or stabbed, that would be a dangerous job.
@@cuzican1902 injured dont count, since they are talking about deaths. Still count toward the danger of a job, but talking about death there is a very clear line that needs to be crossed before something counts
Re Killed versus died- these are all service related deaths as opposed to just dying at your desk. The heart attacks were probably old guys running down suspects or from combat stress. They were killed by the job, from something they would not deal with at some other job. I don't think its misleading.
It's misleading in the context of the conversation. The discussion is are cops being killed by suspects/criminals. That's the discussion and it is an important distinction. I agree that there are increased stressors in these first responder careers but again it's not a disrespect but a difference in terminology is important to parse the statistics.
It is very misleading. The last couple of years this same website has included offices "killed" by covid. It is a way to artificially inflate the numbers to garner political favor.
Regarding unarmed statistics, some of those are someone reaching for the cops weapon. Arguably, you are not unarmed once your hand is on cops gun.
A large part of those were likely female officers.
The only issue I might have here is I want to know for certain that these numbers are in fact LEO's who DIED on duty and not LEO's who were KILLED on duty. Because in the instance of heart attacks, 911 illness, et. if you die as a result of a crime being committed the person committing the crime can be charged with murder/manslaughter because the understanding is if you hadn't committed the crime that person would not be dead now. So just like if a burglar breaks into a shop and the shop owner has a heart attack and dies that would be considered murder/manslaughter, it is the same if an LEO dies in responding to a crime.
This chick said 10/100000 wasn’t many for cops but that .6/1000000 is a lot for black people.
Intellectually dishonest
It's great that the Prof touches on these hard deep topics. We need more like him teaching the youth critical thinking. Well done sir 👍
I can't get past the body language of these two young women. Totally different, and speaks volumes.
Great teacher, great subject. The amount of glazed over eyes and lack of insightful answers or questions is frustrating.
Addiction
One caveat, the heart attacks aren't just an officer having a heart attack, it's having a heart attack as a result of a confrontation, thus a felonious death. And, yes roofers are more likely to die on the job. Yet, the difference is in intent, roofs don't intend to kill roofers.
Skin color is not the issue. Criminality is.
Saying its less dangerous than a roofer doesnt take into account injuries. Less deadly yes, but remember during a response EMS is also right there usually to help with life and death injuries. A roofing company doesnt have an Ambulance right there. As a CO ive been in over 100 life and death fights. Every single one injured me. Heart attacks can also be due to smoke inhalation from an accident or fire.
Your slide from the officer down website said “felonious.” You said the website was being deceitful about the heart attack numbers. Mistake on your part?
I wonder if this instructor or professor got any push back from this. I would imagine that this is would be a harsh truth for many. I am amazed that this is on you tube still.
It would be very unwise for UA-cam to start discrediting data produced from reputable sources.
The truth might be unpalatable for some , but truth should always matter more than opinion.
@@leosmoonfish2849 this makes the massive assumption that anyone would notice or care.
It always amazes me that none of these kids feel the compassion and empathy for a family who lost their loved one to violent crime. It never even comes to mind for them. This country would fall in hours without police.
True,just look at the cities that defunded the police,crime went through the roof,now they’re asking for more police. I don’t know why they even thought it was a good idea.
Look at all the kids whose lives are lost due to gang stray bullets. Those stories get like 15 seconds on the local news AT BEST. Meanwhile guys like Floyd are national stories and basically get deified. We are such a backwards country.
Unless they are directly affected, they will never stop and think critically. They are programmed and designed by the internet to follow the masses (if they want to fit in). I always find it amusing when a friend or employee experiences something that gets them to question their programming. I find it even more amusing when they reach a new understanding, but then willfully act blind, so they aren't shunned by their group.
Or maby violence is so normalised in the US that one becomes numb to all that violence
@vanjabarudzija No, these kids have never been victims of violent crime. They are insulated from it. So, in their minds, these police are the enemy. Americans who don't have wealth, we know the police are our heroes. The police have saved my life more than once. In fact, the police sometimes are the only ones who care for a lot of people who have no family or friends. Trust me, the police are the most thoughtful and caring individuals in our society. They are not criminals. We wouldn't hire criminals to watch over our most vulnerable. However, in America, bad people exist in every career choice. We have a lot of criminality here. With freedom comes temptation.
This is great, this guy is awesome. Very wise man
Love these videos. I think all schools should have classes like this where they talk about issues like this. Make it a mandatory class like math.
@p38shocker... Never gonna happen bro. The banker tribe is involved in a centuries old plan to use non-whites to suppress whites into the global order of "shut up and take it." The banker tribe was evicted from 87 white European city states and kingdoms, 110 different times in the Christian era. Whites won't willingly submit to the rule of mercantilism, so they get whites to participate in mercantilism (think white flight) by scaring them to death with violence that is more common among non-whites. The result is high home prices where they are indentures of the bank. It's a control measure.
I'm surprised this guy still has a job. Places of Academia and the press hate solid data.
Google his name. He seems to be very much in favor of all the other lefty academic hits like white privilege, transgenderism, CRT etc. So they leave him alone when he talks about the number of black people being killed by police and so on. His classes seem to be pretty popular as well, so he's probably shielded a bit.
This was 5 years ago so are you sure he does?
@@Spaceghost918 This is the channel for his classes
@@eduardosuarez2414 yeah my fault didn't check his channel to see he uploads regularly
What data do you have for this assertion?
We should also take into account that the number of officers that are killed in the line of duty, however small, is the other side of the statistics mentioned in the other video about the number and ethnicity of people killed by the police in the line of duty.
The important thing to consider is that police officers are trained to survive these incidents. The job of a policeman has always been dangerous, and their training include lessons learned over generations.
This means that they are more likely to survive an encounter than the civilian that is acting unlawfully.
Also, remember that TV shows hardly follow reality. Shoot them in the leg, and other such things are not as depicted by TV shows and movies.
Yup, and as "small" as you say the cop death rate is, it is over *one hundred* times higher than the rate of unarmed black people being killed by cops. From ua-cam.com/video/FBpPSVQHSmk/v-deo.html
Excellent points!!
2:59 It really bothers me that people say the date wrong. Nine, one, one is a phone number. Nine Eleven is a date. We don't call the day after the tenth the one onenth, it's the eleventh. Calling it nine one one purposely demeans the meaning of remembering what happened that day.
It is rare for a college professor to be so unbiased and so interested in teaching young people to be rational thinking adults...
A great example of critical thinking. You really have to pay attention to where you get the data that you form your opinions around and the language used in presenting that data.
A room full of college age bodies and 6th grade minds.
How true! The ACT and SAT tests had to be dumbed down as the last couple generations were having trouble passing them……. Grade inflation has taken over the Universities as everyone now gets A’s or B’s……….. pathetic……..
This was five years ago. Currently in 2023 there have been over 500 police officers murdered in the line of duty..
The thing that makes it so maddening is that the people who are charged with their murders are released with no bail
BS. You pulled that out of your rear end.
@@simplyafederalist actually Little darlin’ that came from government statistics
@@janeblue3053 If you change tye base and add COVID deaths. Then every single occupation need that also added to their death rate.
@@simplyafederalist what in the world does that have to do with police deaths? Absolutely nothing.
@@simplyafederalist so are you admitting that Covid is a form of Murder? That sounds like what you’re saying.
Although all deaths are sad, there's a big difference between an accidental death and a killing.
It’s also worth noting, that part of the reason the numbers are lower is that police have gotten a lot better at treating/responding to things like gunshot wounds. Many carry tourniquets, have better first aid training, etc. similarly many roofers don’t actually follow all proper safety protocols and precautions. So it’s somewhat misleading to say that being a roofer is much more dangerous than being a police officer, even though one could think that from the statistics mentioned without additional context.
They can say killed for a heart attack of the heart attack occurred as a result of a struggle or fight with a suspect
I've known colleagues who ended up retiring with debilitating injuries due to struggling with or being assaulted by suspects, only to end up taking their own lives due to the depression caused by being constantly dependant on pain medication. They don't count those in the statistics.
I watched other video where they said 1 out of 250.000 is a lot yet 10 out of 100.000 or 25 out of 250.000 is not. Please explain this to me.
I think he counted vehicle accidents as “killed intentionally in the line of duty”.
How many were run over or crashed into intentionally?
How many crashed in a chase?
How many crashed while on patrol?
Roofers dying on the job are not Murdered on the job. That is very different. I would suspect that taxi drivers are Murdered on the job more often than Cops. Again the difference is taxi drivers for the most point are killed from behind or dont shoot back
he was addressing his point from the beginning where people make claims that police have the most dangerous job in the world. He wasn't claiming they were killed, he was proving roofing is far more dangerous.
@EclipseClemens
Roofers die on the job more often, that's a given. I doubt that even one Roofers was murdered because of their job.
So I think it's interesting how .6 in 1,000,000 is allot in one circumstance, and 99 in 1,000,000 is a small amount in another.
Have no idea how these are not cancelled yet, but great job.
I think it would have been appropriate to point out how people are willing to tell the black kid who has a 1:250000 chance of getting killed by police that he needs to be careful, but the same person say 9:100000 (which is pretty close to 1:11000) that the cop doesn't really have much to worry about.
One gets donations and the other doesn't.
Now helping the "oppressed" makes you a "good person" while helping the oppressor makes you a villain.
"We" have decided that all police are the oppressors and all people of color are oppressed. FJB
Eye opening that about 12% of the population is 41% responsible for all police officers killed in the line of duty.
Did your parents have any children who weren't born braindead?
AMEN.
Policing IS dangerous. The relatively low ratio speaks to how well officers are trained BECAUSE it's a dangerous job.
@@5GburnI respect people who have a thankless job, but you need to understand that American police are by far the worst trained of any developed country. If police unions don’t like those numbers (and they shouldn’t) they need to put pressure on the higher ups to actually train our police
perfect example what you should analyze statists in a vacuum
That stat on cop-killers is stunning. (7:30) Yet we never read about this in the news media or schools. Why?
Because it’s not the narrative that the media want’s to broadcast.
Doesn't fit the progressive narrative of victims and oppressors.
How is it "stunning"?
@@enginerunsable Thirteen percent of the population are responsible for 40 percent of police officer deaths. But the thirteen percent complain how police treat them.
I'm assuming because not that many officers are killed in the line of duty each year. Not the safest job by all means, but also not the most dangerous as some would portray.
So if you're a cop you are likely to be killed by a white or black guy, IF you are killed at all. One can easily put that to circumstances, crime rates are higher in lower-income communities, thus more interactions. The question is why the ratio of blacks is so high to be in lower income communities?
Let me guess your answer, culture huh?
Glad that this type of education is finally being discussed with the youth of America. Its late but necessary to try and stop the escalation of delusional thinking amongst many
I love how he simply challenged their nonspecific ideas of law enforcement, and related issues, with facts, but specifically omitted his own opinions, and made it clear that there are many ways to look at this data, and one isn’t necessarily more right than another.
He subtly provoked them into thinking deeply about their own beliefs, as any good teacher should.
1 in 10,000 police killed, 1 in 2,000,000 unarmed black men.
I wonder what the number would be if you corrected for certain death incidents that weren't deaths by virtue of intervention by EMTs, Fire/Rescue, other cops and so forth?
How many were non fatally injured or shot at and retired due to that injury.
How many roofers had broken arms, legs, or were paralyzed and could no longer work... did they have taxpayer funded pensions?
What amazed me rather than the statistics he sited was the fact that he left out on the same memorial page it says 43.000 assaults per year, a third of them result in injury. Is that a little? Is that a lot? Would that professor perhaps want to be assaulted 43.000 times?
Nobody wants to be assaulted but we perceive it to be a larger number.
To say that heart attacks are not deaths related to police work is the same thing to say thay suicide in the military are not related to PTSD from combat. Police work, especially in certain areas are extremely stressful. Maybe not all cases are related but there is a obvious link. From a 2014 NBC article "Can Being a Cop Kill You? Sudden Stress Raises Cardiac Risks: Study": (...) “We found that stressful and physically demanding law enforcement activities were associated with large increases in the risk of sudden cardiac death, compared with routine/non-emergency policing activities,” the team, led by Stefanos Kales of the Harvard School of Public Health, wrote."
Excellent point about the political use of "killed" vs. "died." In modern political parlance, one must create a narrative to make and enforce one's position by manipulating the language to serve a cause.
Yeah and then he immediately did the same thing about roofers being a more dangerous profession than being a cop because of the amount of deaths.
144 police officer deaths (his slide at 3:06). 89 "intentional" for a rate of 9.9 in 100k. 6:20 he says 35 per 100k roofers die in work. Then calls roofing profession 3.5 times more dangerous than policing while saying "no one is trying to kill roofers." He's comparing the full deaths on the job data of roofers vs murders of police officers which isn't an apples to apples comparison.
I don't agree with death being the only dangerous consequence that can be suffered from a profession. Also his misuse of statistics to paint a narrative shows his bias. Everyone has biases that you must act to try to contest. Speaking quickly and spitting out numbers with vague relevance to your arguments may trick some people, but it is dishonest and shows a biased way of thinking.
this guy is absolute gold, too bad more aren't like him and too bad none of his students or adults will listen.
The advances in trauma management and the use of body armor have made the number of Officers killed lower by the number involved in violate indents is still high
Of the 35 roofers, how many deaths were “intentional”?
"Died in the line of duty" for a heart attack. Ok, but policing is between the most unhealthy jobs because it's 100% stress and long hours.
Not to mention how many are overweight and suddenly required to get physical lol.
ive been a roofer and a cop.. if you think roofing is more dangerous than being a cop.. YOURE BEYOND INSANE
I agree someone shooting at you isn’t the same as falling off a roof.
Doesn't change they fact that more roofers per capita die "in the line of duty".
But, everyone seems to love facts over feelings here, so thems the facts !
Completely different causes of death though. I'd assume that deaths of roofers are almost exclusively accidents and complacency, whereas police are targeted and have bias against them. Cops may die less per capita, but those deaths are intentional acts against them, whereas roofers die in accidents, not intentional attacks. One is danger out of ones control, one is danger as a result of their own (or yes, other roofers) actions. Also comes back to the statistics, the numbers are numbers. Why the numbers are there is beside the point, as there could be so many complicating factors. Even something as simple as intelligence requirements could come in, you could claim that the barrier for entry into the police force requires much more intelligence than that into roofing, therefore roofers die more because they have lower intelligence. It may not be the case, but the argument could be made.
The facts don't lie. Clearly been a roofer is more dangerous, doesn't matter the difference in cause of death . That's just silly semantics. 3x as much . I sat in a union meeting that highlighted the fact that over 4x as much construction workers die compared to soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq . But that's a war right? Clearly it's more dangerous. Wel know it's not the numbers don't lie. Deaths equal the likelihood of death in any giving occupation therefore the danger element. I was surprised how low cops where to roofers alone facter in the construction industry as a whole or even farming and you'll soon see which occupations hold more risk.
Accountability for not what you say, but what you communicate.
I'm just a simple guy but I always loved and quote facts and statistics that are factual and I'm the smartest man in the room
You you're usually alone. Got it.
Prime example of statistically lying is his own presentation:
89 "killed" > used to calculate 10 per 100,000
He compared it to 35 per 100,000 roofers (which is almost all accidents)
But the death account with accidents included for cops is 144
144 deaths = 16 per 100,000
Not a serious lie, but a lie is a lie
Also dying from accidents and murder attempts are two wholly different concepts.
He makes some great points but his complaints of the outlet using the word "killed" falls flat. Almost every death could be filed under killed. Even some of the heart attacks could be depending on what brought on said heart attack. Did the cop go into cardiac arrest while fighting an assailant? Killed is the most accurate description and is the term workman's comp typically uses when discussing or honoring those, from store clerks to construction workers, killed in the line of employment.
Love that he mentioned how language is misused in order to manipulate and polarize.
Its astonishing how completely clueless these students are. When asked about the ratios they respond, "well its a lot because its a life". WTF has that got to do with anything that he's trying to communicate.
I find these videos to be really interesting! Thank you for sharing.
Its amazing how 22 out of a hundred thousand "isnt a lot", (for police) but for black people 2 out of 100,000 is a lot.
If a person has a heart attack due to the stress of a situation caused by another, specifically a violent situation, I would consider that in the grey area but leaning towards "killed."
Couple of questions:
1) is the reference only for police officers that are working “on the road”
2) And what is the average career length for these officers. Because these were only yearly statistics.
Roofers, loggers, electrical linemen...they all have worse death stats than officers. But, think about this...officers don't go to work with a hammer or large cutting tools. They go to work with pepper spray, baton, stun gun device, and a pistol or other firearm, and years of defensive tactics training. They have back-up with them as much as possible, and imagine if they didn't have all of those things while getting into the countless number of fights and shooting scenarios. The death rate would be astronomical without all of those tools and training. So the next time anyone brings up how much more "dangerous" other jobs are compared to law enforcement, think about what would happen if cops did their job without their normal gun belt and everything else on it. Think about how they do go to work with all of that, and STILL get killed by intentional and felonious acts despite that.
All of those jobs you stated also require safety training and personal protection.
Roofer without any fall protection or training, would be a well payed job for the few survivors.
All the dangerous jobs require safety gear, its just not "people" thats your main threat.
Pizza delivery is the most dangerous job.
I thought it was convenience store clerks. Actually I think it's commercial fisherman.
First college professor I've ever seen attempting to teach critical thinking.
instead of critical race theory...
Thank you sir
Truth should always be applauded
This ought to be mandatory viewing in University or college.
I don’t know that it’s fair to say roofing is more dangerous. By overall deaths sure, but I would want to understand injures and how many people are actively trying to do harm to an officer.
Officer actively mitigate against threats daily, and constantly have to worry about being assaulted or killed.
I agree, but he did acknowledge that no one is trying to kill roofers. There are countless assaults on police officers on a daily basis, so I think that's important to factor into this conversation as well. And, like you are speaking to, it's the manner in which the officers are killed, not the numbers alone.
@@toddgrossman3077Doesn't it make it even more dangerous that so many without even being a target?
@@Laroac I don't think anyone is truly comparing the dangers inherent with certain professions. My point was concurring with the original poster and saying that while many other professions have higher death rates, the manner in which those individuals die is extremely different. It's not a matter of saying that one profession or one individual is of greater worth or more importance than another one. But, I believe it's an important distinction that even though the numbers are lower, many officers are feloniously killed and not killed due to accidents inherent with the job.
American police officers have one of the safest easiest jobs in the world.
@toddgrossman3077 countless assaults on police officers everyday 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 🤡
My man really said 'Nine-One-One'
This guy reminds me of Adam Savage from Mythbusters 😂
The white girl with the microphone is so familiar but I just can't place her. She's been in some other video somewhere or she reminds me of someone who has. Help me out, where do I know her from?
I love that I’ve watched hours of your class lectures and I still cant tell how you vote or worship.
"(Being a roofer) is 3.5 times more dangerous a profession than being a police officer". Statistically it may be, but a roofer doesn't climb up concerned will this roof kill me, like a police officer fears at every traffic stop.
This one girl on stage could be a good politician. Trying not to answer honest on a simple question: what is your thought about the numbers?
And that's why he is teaching this and not you.
A statistics class should be a pre-requisite for taking this class. A lot of them don’t seem to understand them.
This clip leaves out the exponentially higher cases of officers that are injured each year, or (exponentially higher still) being assaulted without reporting an injury.
A roofer falling and breaking his leg does not carry the society-wide moral entanglement that comes with a criminal breaking a cop's leg.
A near-miss on a job site using a power saw is not comparable to having someone try to stab you and fail.
I spent years working as a convenient store clerk. Back then I was 15% more likely to die on the job than LEOs.