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You mean treat it all light heartedly? I don't think so. It's male genital mutilation and a serious violation of which the government supports. We are entitled to be angry, so stop deleting comments.
Ah The Guardian, tiptoeing around antiquated cultural practices like a good virtue signaller. Meanwhile millions of kids every year are having their genitals permanently mutilated by adults without consent. Sigh. Wake me up when the 21st century rolls around. Oh... wait...
Some men (and women) are very angry about having been sexually mutilated, many women are angry about having been lied to, their precious babies changed so dramatically by being genitally tortured, when they should be bonding with their mothers, but we'll try and keep it "above board" for you.
@ロボス・ペレスダニエラ That's a medical condition, so if it's required for treatment sure. in the same vein - some medical conditions require amputation; but you don't just go around chopping peoples legs off for the hell of it
ロボス・ペレスダニエラ Genuine phimosis is an adult condition. Most cases can be fixed with non-surgical treatments, e.g. steroid cream and gentle stretching. If circumcision is required or desired then it can be chosen by a consenting adult. P.S. Japanese don’t circumcise.
Entengummitiger Most young boys have a tight and mon-retractile foreskin. This is called physiological phimosis and it’s completely normal - no treatment required. The foreskin naturally becomes retractable over time, usually by or during adolescence.
Interesting that the rabbi talks about people these days "yelling and screaming and not listening" whilst performing 1000's of circumcisions on babys who would for sure have been yelling and screaming and him not listening.
Failing to perform a surgical procedure under non-sterile operating room conditions like that is worrying. There have been many deaths of boys and baby boys who were circumcised in religious practices and subsequently suffered infections.
What saddens me more is that many women don't empathize with us on this issue. I had a conversation with a feminist and she brushed it off as if it was nothing, but female genital mutilation? No that's horrible!
The most sensitive body unit in a male body is it's foreskin & frenulum, circumsision won't prevent men from experiencing orgasm but will reduce it's intensity.
Not only it's intensity, it also reduces female pleasure and his ability to give a woman vaginal orgasms. It destroys the natural bond of love and intimacy that is supposed to be built through the shared experience of love making.
Unlike males of other species/ females. The most important concentration of nerve endings is located on the foreskin, not the glans. Curcumcision Will take away 75% of a male sensitivity.
Men don't speak about it because they don't want to think about it. The denial is so deep that it's not even remotely on their radar. I resent that somebody cut me when I was helpless and trusting. I've never gotten over it. I don't care what anybody says, nobody had the right to do that to me. Not a doctor. No my parents. Nobody.
Circumcision is not a big deal. Circumcision doesn't cause any problems, and it has a lot of benefits. It should be the parent's decision whether or not if their child gets circumcised. There are parents who have their baby's ears get pierced, and most people are ok with that.
I think that both male and female "circumcision" should end. With the rare exception of when it's medically necessary, of course. We shouldn't be subjecting children to unnecessary bodily mutilations. Antisemitism shouldn't have anything to do with it. Thanks for making this video.
I doesn't have anything to do with anti-semitism, it's just people who want to mutilate children call it anti-semitism to critizize mutilation to be able to keep mutilating innocents
@You Tuber I don't understand this 'alien' statement. It's literally how humans are born and have evolved to be. If anything is 'alien', it's cutting of thr foreskin. Many medical reasons lead to circumcision as like any part of the body the foreskin can have issues
Imagine having a limb chopped off by some third party while you were a baby and as you get older you'll never know how that limb, that's what being circumcised without a choice feels like. My body my choice should apply to men too in this regard.
Consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies. Nothing should be forced on children, especially babies. That's how I see it.
Yes and no. There should be limits around what a person should be allowed to do with their body as an adult. Like we’re not just gonna let people start amputating their limbs for the aesthetic lol.
I agree! Everything that happens to someone's body should be their choice! Same with vaccinations. I chose to be vaccinated myself, because my parents wanted me to make that choice myself. I got baptized when I was 8 years old, because I wanted it (even though 10 years later I left the church... But that was my own choice as well).
There really isnt much to discuss. It is not OK to permanently damage a childs genitalia. It doesnt matter if you are a man or women, or if its happening to a boy or girl. The child should be protected
Why does she call those describing male circumcision abusive as 'extreme voices'? She wouldn't call anybody describing FGM abusive as 'extreme voices'.
Also, why are there 'different thoughts and opinions' on this? Why is there any debate whatsoever? It is completely unnecessary and performed without the consent of the child. It should be banned.
People do have doble standards when it comes the issue of circumcision. Female circumcision in any form is vehemently objected to and male circumcision is condoned.
It's barbaric, how can you have a civil discussion about such a backward thing when the only counter argument is 'I think it looks better and my father did it' ?! Thankfully it's not widely practice in civilised countries.
There are still a lot of many with health issues that need to be circumcised. I had to done it because of phimosis and because we as men mostly don't have a conversation about our penises it's an internal struggle and pressure to deal with. It wouldn't be that big of a deal if more people opened up about it, I think.
@@Lucsy3012 you should have gotten another opinion with all the medical advancements today you don't have to cut off the most erogenous part of your body. Now your partner will never feel that beautiful gliding in and out that the foreskin provides. This is how women orgasm. Many women in the USA suffer from painful intercourse because all men were are circumcised. I feel sorry for you and your partner. Now your on a long road to becoming desensitized.
@@animejunkie7791 the person was sneakily implying that the USA is not civilized and I openly agree that the USA is not civilized. To continue this practice is barbaric...especially when the reasons are majorly for aesthetic and very little for medical...we, the USA, are a barbaric country.
I'm confounded why they chose a woman to lead the discussion on a body part that she hasn't ever and cannot ever have. I'm even more confounded that some people are actually 100%, unquestioningly cool with surgically altering a newborn for any reason other than medical necessity.
I challenged my mum on this and she said she was advised at my birth for health reasons and didn't think twice as my father and his father had the same thing. The dumbest part of it is that biblical circumsition was only the tip and not the whole foreskin.
@@Jamie_Johnson , there are no advantages to routine infant circumcision, and none proven in any developed country. The risks of the surgery are greater than proven benefit. You can compare male circumcision with female circumcision, depending on the type of female circumcision. Females also have a foreskin, which comes from the same embryonic tissue as the male foreskin. Would you be O.K with cutting the female foreskin (inner labia) from baby girls?
@@psandbergnz That's just not true. There certainly are proven benefits to male circumcision. Circumcised males are much less likely to be infected by STD's, including viruses HIV. The same benefits do not exist for female circumcision, so they are not comparable.
I have honestly never thought about circumcision. Even if I do have kids (in this case boys), I am now pretty sure I don't want to have my son undergo this. If for no other reason, I don't see the point to it.
@@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns , no there was never "a time" when it was necessary. It was always wrong to mutilate boys, and especially in the past (where conditions of hygiene were far from optimal). Many boys died from septicemia from the circumcision wound.
Sadly no man circumcised at birth can tell what it’s like to be intact. On the other hand, every uncircumcised man can imagine what it would be like to have his foreskin sliced off. You don’t get many of us queuing up for this “procedure” as adults do you?
@@johnburrows5119All men should fight for men's rights in america. Since women would rather focus on women's rights in africa then helping their own boys in america. Im from europe and here circumcision is bizarre. The fact so many american men are for circumcision is because they don't know any better. But women are only for it because its considered better looking. Its disgusting to do this to a baby, americans are extremely weird for normalising one mutilation and fighting for the rights of another mutilation in a whole different continent.
The part where she says “a lot of people spend a lot of time......” he talks over her and says “yelling and screaming and not listening.” Is it just me or thats ironic?
@@andyp123456 Of course, it's a very profitable business for doctors in the USA, they have no ethics and push it. There are parents that were asked more then 5 times by all medical staff.
Thank you for sharing that, this sort of assumption and very often bullying of the mother to give her precious baby over for sexual mutilation, right after giving birth, is common in US hospitals.
I may be one of the few American people, like you, who thought about circumcision before our son's birth and did some research. I asked parents I knew, with sons, if they chose it for their boys and if so why. None of their answers were reason enough for us to do that to our newborn. "His dad is circumcised and I want him to look like his dad" was the lamest reason I heard. "I'm a nurse and catheterizing uncircumcised old men is a pain." was the most "medical" answer I got. Several more were just dumb. We decided to make sure that the hospital forms indicated our son remain intact. Routine circumcision of infant boys is an unnecessary and barbaric practice. Expensive, too. Quite a lucrative racket for hospitals and doctors.
"My body my choice." I thought that would apply to everyone. Apparently not. I dont care who you are, but it shouldnt be on me to explain why I think it is wierd, dangerous or abusive to cut a child, with out any medical reasoning.
Noooooo, what about these desert dwellers from 3000 years ago! We should throw away modern human rights and resort to their wisdom instead. After all they knew how to herd sheep very well and... stuff.
@@TheRockkickass So you don't like how it looks in its natural state and consider it gross? Well that is a personal preference. More importantly, do you think we should allow every male to personally decide if they would like part of their body cut off or not?
2:40 "If you haven't had a foreskin, how can you tell it's missing?" Imagine asking that question to a victim of FGM. How offensive would that be considered? I think this demonstrates perfectly the main difference between how men and women are (perceived to be) treated in society. Anything you say and pretty much anything you do to a man, he should just suck it up and take it. Anything you say or do to a woman needs to be carefully considered to not offend. I don't think any question in itself should be considered offensive, no matter if you ask a male or female. It's the actual intent (not _perceived_ intent) that should matter.
@@barbellsamurai8014 too much skin was taken when it was done when I was a infant. The skin is too tight that when I have sex it can rip a little and cause open wounds. I have had surgery to try and fix some of the problems, but only ended up with more scar tissue. This is not something to laugh at. I underwent a surgery there was no medical need for because society decided how it should look.
@@walterfletcher9249 Don't listen to 'BARBELL SAMURAI'. He's a horrible person. We feel for you and we also want this barbarism to end. Hope you keep speaking out and sharing your story.
In the case of abortion the ultimate decision is that of the woman, as it should be, because it is HER body. If you agree with that, you must also agree that in the case of circumcision it is the choice of the man because it is HIS body. It's good the journalist has done this video and heard the different sides, but how on earth she was still undecided by the end is beyond me. Cutting a child for no medical purpose is child abuse, plain and simple.
This is like someone doing a documentary on the shape of the Earth. They interview a bunch of scientists and some flat Earthers, yet they are still undecided. {smh}
The reason some of you argue so vigorous in defence of circumcision is because you can't admit that something is wrong with you. Something which wasn't your fault. Something that was done on your behalf by people you love and care for. That's too painful to admit.
Wow I heard circumcision was more wide spread in the US, but I didn't expect it to be that wide spread. Here in Germany it's the exception not the rule. Probably similar percentage to UK.
It became a thing in the US because of one of the world wars (I forget which). This was for hygiene reasons being in a trench or in hot climates where soldiers could not regularly wash. America being involved in Vietnam continued the practice. They used conscription so a lot of the male population went through the army. Once it's been done for a couple of generations it seems they forgot the reason they were being snipped in the first place.
@@uralwong799 I respectfully disagree. People from many countries still go to war and spend time in situations with suboptimal hygiene but don't circumcise their babies.
@@nikki5095 I don't know what you are disagreeing with. They believed it helped prevent disease. That's not what I believe, it is what they believe. The attempt is to enlighten people on why the US has adopted a different stance compared to other countries with whom they are culturally linked. Not to give my opinion about anything. Incidentally it was the 1st world war where they adopted the practice. This is all shown by statistical data on the numbers of men circumcised. Rates rising significantly after WW2.
@@uralwong799 I can see where you are coming from now. In the original comment I didn't understand that you were explaining what they believed. It was worded more as a declarative statement so I thought you meant that it was actually necessary because of the conditions. Thank you for clarifying.
@@uralwong799 That's totally false information. It is not the reason why this was introduced. This was introduced well before WWI. Originally it had absolutely nothing to do with military conscription. So it grew after WWII, but that doesn't create causality. Why do you post stuff before verifying?
@@shevyman6430 Simply to parade how better you feel because you so happened to be in a position that you weren't cut. Most of us here didn't choose it, and a lot of people hear enough that they are worse off all the time..
Just because you're a woman you can't have an opinion on a mutilation on a sensitive part of a skin on a human being who can't consent? That seems very strange
@@ayandamafuyeka1952 I'm a man and I can state facts about female genital mutilation: it's wrong. As is male genital mutilation. Your comment is strange.
I can't help but feel it's uneccessary harm to a child. Regardless of religion, I just feel it has no medical benefit and is just not needed. I would say the same thing about other medical or body modification practices carried out on children. I even think piercing children's ears is wrong.
If someone cut off the small toe on your feet as a child you'd call that mutilation despite not needing your small toes. Why is it different with circumcisions?
Theres always a reason its just unnecessary usually doctors and the medical field cant comprehend or understand anything otherwise we wouldn’t be dropping dead like flies and yes people do die like ceazy cuz of the medical field as well every 1 just shrugs it off
I’m a British man and got circumcised at 29 due to micro tears that caused issues with fore skin and perineum. I have lost all sensation due to rubbing on materials. I do regret it but needed it for health reasons.
Come on, Iman. Removing a normal, healthy part of a child's genitals without medical necessity is abhorrently wrong. How have you still "not landed on a particular answer"?
Thank you, why do people think even having a discussion about is somehow acceptable. Don't put a knife anywhere near a healthy childs genitals, end of discussion.
Because the people who are topic of the "discussion" are never part of it, is why. If two people were having a discussion in front of adult Me about how much of me they are going to cut off, my response would be extreme violence. But because they did it when I couldnt fight back, we get to say "oh no, be respectful, blah blah blah" cowards
Just because male infant circumcision is a mandatory practice in some religions does not justify the practice. Nor does the rejection of this practice somehow constitute discrimination against those religions or the people following these religions. There are more than enough reasons to reject religion on other grounds as well.
7:43 when he got out those tools I felt sick in my stomach. this is not right. this should be illegal. if you want to get it done when you're older that's perfectly fine but not on a baby that has no say. please don't pass something down without question because your father's father done so and you may have had it done to you.
Pro-circumcision people: It's tradition! Anti-circumcision people: It's unnecessary, babies can't consent and it's unethical. Iman Amrani: I learned a lot but can't choose a side.
I think she prefers circumcision but it's not politically correct to say, especially since she was so vocal against FGM. Truth is, most females prefer circumcised penises. Mostly due to a fear of uncleanliness. Especially for those who engage in oral sex.
Moondancer Targaryen I prefer uncut, but my preference won’t stop me from loving a circumcised man. It’s a shame that this is even a preference at all. That’s someone’s body.
I have been with men who are circumsized and uncircumsized. I prefer UNCUT, UNCIRCUMSIZED and MEN WITH THE SKIN! I absolutely do NOT understand why women are so "afraid" of it. If I ever have a son I will not cut him. That is so rediculious. Again as for female circumsission....Just stop altering something that is mean't to be the way it was. Unless there was a reason to then leave it. I prefer sex with the skin because it keeps the moisture and makes for a nicer and more pleasurable experience. When I was with men who had that skin removed....We had to use so much lubrication and after a while it burned with or without lube....It did not feel nearly as great,,,,The health reasons and so much more...
@@samreplete1842 Don't rush into anything that could be regrettable. My brother is 27 and a virgin. I commend him. I think you will learn that the ladies that matter the most will prefer this.
@@kenzielacosta8244 Thank you, the first time a woman sees my peen it's erect and she don't even know it's whole.. till after the lovin'. Funny, I've been body-shammed by other boys yet a few women have said it's pretty. Eye of the beholder...
Why is it when it comes to female circumcision there is no question it should be abolished and yet with male circumcision it is somehow worthy of conversation? Where is the equality in that?
@@devilsadvocate8234 i'm so happy that my father wanted me circumcised. It just looks better n it's probably more hygienic n i've never had any problems soo...
Really interesting looking at things like this because just swaping the sex of the person almost changes the answers entirely which is just mind boggling...
Interesting. You live in America? Most men I know don't care, even if many of us decided to not have our sons circumcised, not one I know feels anything towards their parents. Sounds like it's a "ppl you hang with" type of thing
@@erikbarrett85 Have you had serious discussions about circumcision with most men you know? No doubt most circumcised men are indifferent or even happy about it (incidentally, so are most circumcised women), but they also tend to know very little about the subject.
In the USA I consider it a violation of human rights as defined in the constitution and bill of rights. I consider it sexual assault and battery. I am taking it up in federal court since the federal government performed mine since I was born in a naval hospital.
@@adkisojk sexual assault? circumcision is cruel, but you know its not sexual assault. You think you are making your argument stronger by linking the problem to very vaguely related issues. but in fact you are just making it easier to poke holes into it.
@@georgplaz How is it not sexual assault!?! Permanently damage someone's genitals when they're too young to object. Compared to a lot of the sexual assault cases happening at the moment, this absolutely can be considered sexual assault! Just swap the baby out for a grown adult and you'll see how messed up of a concept this is.
Why are many women fleeing Circumsised Rich nations as Saudiarabia and UAE? What about all people fleeinG Middle East? Those unattractive cultures are 100% cut men, sometimes women too like Egypt, Sudan, Somalia
Look, we have no right to perform surgery on another person - least of all a child who cannot consent - for any other reason other than medical. It's really as simple as that, for both men and women. It should be illegal.
I understand the sensitivity around the religious aspects of circumcision and I respect the feelings, but unless there is a valid medical reason for the intervention, such as phimosis, mutilating the genitalia of infant males without their consent will alter how they experience their sexuality for the rest of their lives. It’s just plain wrong and cruel to cut babies that don’t need to be cut, regardless of whether you think a profet was told by god to cut em.
A diagnosis of phimosis in a child who can urinate is malpractice, even if the foreskin balloons out during urination due to a pinhole-sized opening. EXTREMELY TIGHT is the normal, natural state of a foreskin until the child's own curious manipulation eventually makes the skin retractable. The AAP advises ONLY CLEAN WHAT IS SEEN, LEAVE IT ALONE. Only the owner should ever retract a foreskin.
There are medical reasons but those who are against it advise this procedure to be performed only if the person in question is suffering from one of these problems. I'm to lazy to write anything else, but a quick search on the internet can give you the information you need if you're interested to know more. You'll find it on any medical website is presume.
Actually, only in USA we systematically remove the foreskin for a phymosis. In the worst cases, prepucioplasty can correct any phymosis without amputation. In mild cases, streching and creams are sufficients.
That Rabbi who performs to circumcision is proud of his work, how he says doctors recognise his work, the mans sick! Those tools and method are so barbaric, circumcision should only be done for medical purposes
Autonomy rights take precedence over religious right. Period. If your religion requires you to harm yourself or others to demonstrate your devotion or loyalty to your faith , maybe it's time to rethink and reflect. Circumcision is a barbaric practice, and no one can convince me otherwise.
Yes! Culture is not an excuse to maim or endanger. I respect that traditions mean a lot, but irreversible changes to the body causing complications/loss cannot be done to children.
The foreskin is a functional part of make anatomy and also provides sexual pleasure. You shouldn't remove it from a child if there is nothing wrong with it.
I really wish this was seen as a more valid issue rather than just writing it off as being okay because it happening to boys or that people could consider genital hygiene and safe sex practice instead of rushing to cut off foreskin. Oh and women can have an opinion on if men should be circumcised as soon as men are allowed to have an opinion on women's bodies.
Where are you coming from? The video DID take it seriously. And (in Europe) at least, it's a custom of patriarchal religions. I don't think that women have much say in it at all. Turn your ire on those who deserve it, if you dare.
@@dumfriesspearhead7398 I'm coming from the US to be exact where being against circumcision is often assumed to be rooted in anti antisemitism no matter how much assurance it's given. You talk a big game of "if you dare". I actually know where the ire goes or are you saying that stuff just to show off? When I say "wish it was seen as more valid" here in the States circumcision is still covered by a lot of medical insurance policies and advocates for it move heaven and earth to try to defend the practice. On the other hand another "patriarchal" practice is FGM. Have you noticed that the majority of the known world is already firmly against it? Have you also noticed that its quite easy to openly criticize FMG without having to worry about someone willfully interpreting it as being against the cultures that practice it? Yet for some odd reason the gut reaction to being against circumcision is to assume antisemitism.
@@jollyyellow Criticism of circumcision is seen to be rooted in antisemitism because it is a traditional practice within Judaism. And SOME of it will be rooted in antisemitism, if not most of it. You spoke about women having opinions on men's bodies. But this has got nothing to do with women's opinions. But I see a lot of men in this comment blaming women for something they have little influence over. Direct your anger towards the medical profession (in the US) campaign against the practice, but blaming women gets you nowhere, but it's easy to do I guess.
"I haven't landed on a particular answer" - wow, it seems quite irritating that cutting of a well functioning sensitive body part isn't absolutely wrong by default - I am shocked, especially by a person like you who is a feminist and stands up for autonomy over ones body
Any parent who hands their child over to be sexually assaulted and mutilated needs to speend the next eighteen years in prison just like any other child molester. Same goes for anyone who actually performs the act. There is no greater travesty than parents and adults who intentionally harm children. Their victims deserve justice!
Your reason at the end is stupid. . As a woman you don't have an opinion? So as a man I don't have an opinion on fgm . That's the sort of thinking I've come to expect from the guardian lol
Luke Cooper she was saying that she didn’t have a personal experience of it and so therefore doesn’t have a full understanding of the topic. To me this makes complete sense.
a lot of the anti circumscion stuff is just myth, I am not snipped and I sill need lotion. the idea that my orgasms are 50000% more intense than yours is just ridiculous
Who knows maybe she had it done too and supports it, if her family is practicing circumcisions most likely she is a supporter, she must pretend not to be though to keep her career going
@@nibnob7 They aren't "very very different". Not all FGM involves cutting off the clitoris. Many forms of FGM involve just ritualistically pin-pricking the labia, or cutting off the inner labia, but leaving the outer labia intact. The difference however is that *all forms* of FGM are illegal whereas male circumcision is viewed as normal and even desirable.
Unfortunately Iman simply reinforces the taboo by not talking about pain, scarring, human rights, anatomy and the foreskin's function. She instead keeps the discussion cerebral and lighthearted (and hence taboo) by focusing on religion and men's discomfort with the subject rather than what a circumcision actually entails and the lifelong negative effects it can have on some men, physically and emotionally. Perhaps if she had talked to some men who are undertaking foreskin restoration she would have understood, and been better able to present, why some men are so adamant that routine infant circumcisions be ended.
She had an agenda, and she fulfilled that agenda. This was not supposed to be an objective look at the issue, this was meant to be a justification piece for circumcision. This is social engineering.
The religious aspect of this isn't really a valid argument even if you do view circumcision as part of your religion. Because the choice should still be the individuals. I mean, ever since the days of the reformation, many christian denominations reject the practice of child baptism. Because you are not truly part of a religion by birth, it has to be by choice.
You can sugarcoat infant genital mutilation all you want. But my definition neonatal circumcision is non therapeutic, battery, assault, mutilation and it is a violation of 4 different Amendments.
It's extremely telling that circumcision is not looked at in the same way that abortion is. The whole 'My Body, My Choice' is not applied nearly as enthusiastically to circumcision for men, especially newborn, non-consenting boys, as it is to abortion for women. In a way, I think men are seen as less vulnerable and more expendable compared to women, hence why we don't look at circumcision the same way we do abortion. Let's face it, we can ascribe all the religious and ideological reasons we want to justify circumcision, but at the end of the day it is still male genital mutilation. Removing the clitoris is seen as female genital mutilation, so why don't we view male circumcision in the same way?
I don't think there has been any studies that looked into female circumcision and its various forms. It might as well have medical benefits, of the same grade and quality as the ones from the male practice lol. But nobody has looked into it apparently (correct me if I'm wrong), they straight up said it has no benefits and outlawed it. I certainly don't see any double standards here, or religious influence ;)
It's to do with women too. It's a female issue for all women who wish to partner with men. Cutting of men's preluce affects women during intercourse and men's experience with their partner and therefore harmony when courting/bonding.
@pleiades you said it perfectly! It is an AWFUL thing to do to your tiny baby! I say this with shame that I allowed this to be done to my son. My 20yo self really had no idea what it was all about. My sister was 14 and was there with my son and I when he was done and 20 years later my sister still remembers the horror of the procedure. She has not had any boy babies yet but if she does she said she would not even consider it and hopes her husband would come around and not wish it to be done.
It does not require a great mind effort to understand how cut any genitals of people who are not able to give a consent (minor) is immoral and unethical. Even if is for religious reasons they can do after 18 The right to a full functional body is a human right, it shouldn't even be questioned
`Is there a problem talking about this subject, that each man circumcised as a child does not know what difference a foreskin would make. I was 'done' when I was 11 for medical reasons and, of course, my views are only about how I feel with it 'done'. That said, I do not think we should routinely chop off body parts - and especially not for religious reasons. After all, this could be done later when the child accepts the faith,. for example at a Bar Mitzva.
I never had a definitive opinion on this issue until recently i found out hundreds of both boys and girls die as a result of genital mutilation each year. Even though it is very rare, its enough to make me sick thinking about parents who take that risk.
Hundreds of boys die of botched circumcisions every year in the USA alone. You don't want to know the figures in Africa, that other circumcising part of the third world.
It's one thing to circumcise a child without consent but for the operation to be performed by someone who is not a qualified surgeon ie a rabbi is insane.
Thank you for this topic. As a UK resident brought up in a CofE heritage, I have always found cultural circumcision a very alien concept. In my opinion, the act is a human rights violation when performed for non-medical reasons with infants. I appreciate religious symbolism and tradition plays a huge role in this act, but question the justification of cutting an infant in a modern context. In our biblical history, it was also acceptable to apply an eye for an eye as a principle of law. Perhaps it is acceptable to reevaluate the basis of our ritual cutting today, just as other principles have been contextualised against modern ethics.
I have been a member of the intact movement for 40 years. This is the first time I have ever heard of Anti-Semitism and the anti-circumcision movement. I wrote a paper while at University in the USA, citing the main reason for the procedure being performed is money, and secondly ignorance about why is done here. The standard comment is "I want my son to be just like me". Sadly I have never convinced one single member of my large extended family to not circumcise their boys.
Well I'm from India. And I didn't knew such a thing happens just some days ago. In India you can find most half a billion people, not circumcised and don't care to do so. So they and I are all fine and Healthy. So there is no reason to do that unnecessary torture.
It's not antisemitic to question the ethics and morality of circumcision - it's concern for the obvious pain and distress of the baby. If a man wishes to circumcise himself after the age of 18 for religious reasons, I have no problem with that. But to force it on a child is simply genital mutilation and should be illegal.
Eliehu Ungar-Sargon is controlled opposition. We in the intactivist movement do NOT consider him to be a legitimate intactivist. Of COURSE the Guardian used him as the "go-to" intactivist.
FGM is not a very different topic or issue. Cultures that practice FGM practise circumcision and they do so for near enough the same reasons. There’s a myth that FGM is more invasive or different in kind. FGM covers a range of practices many of which are less invasive than male circumcision (some of which are of course more invasive). That said well done on this piece of journalism, and approaching it with an open mind.
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You mean treat it all light heartedly? I don't think so. It's male genital mutilation and a serious violation of which the government supports. We are entitled to be angry, so stop deleting comments.
Why do you treat infant genital mutilation so light heartedly?
Ah The Guardian, tiptoeing around antiquated cultural practices like a good virtue signaller. Meanwhile millions of kids every year are having their genitals permanently mutilated by adults without consent. Sigh. Wake me up when the 21st century rolls around. Oh... wait...
er... always nice to see a feminist fem-splaining and "investigating" male genital mutilation with a smirk on her face.
Some men (and women) are very angry about having been sexually mutilated, many women are angry about having been lied to, their precious babies changed so dramatically by being genitally tortured, when they should be bonding with their mothers, but we'll try and keep it "above board" for you.
It's barbarian behaviour. Shocked we still do it in the 21st century
It's wrong to do it to kids. End of.
If an adult man wants it done that's his choice.
@ロボス・ペレスダニエラ It can be treated without removing the foreskin.
@ロボス・ペレスダニエラ That's a medical condition, so if it's required for treatment sure.
in the same vein - some medical conditions require amputation; but you don't just go around chopping peoples legs off for the hell of it
ロボス・ペレスダニエラ Genuine phimosis is an adult condition. Most cases can be fixed with non-surgical treatments, e.g. steroid cream and gentle stretching. If circumcision is required or desired then it can be chosen by a consenting adult. P.S. Japanese don’t circumcise.
@Daniela Lobos Pérez I had phimosis as a kid and it was remedied with a minor incision, I still have my foreskin
Entengummitiger Most young boys have a tight and mon-retractile foreskin. This is called physiological phimosis and it’s completely normal - no treatment required. The foreskin naturally becomes retractable over time, usually by or during adolescence.
Interesting that the rabbi talks about people these days "yelling and screaming and not listening" whilst performing 1000's of circumcisions on babys who would for sure have been yelling and screaming and him not listening.
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@@Bonobo3D Here's one comment of yours that I found.
Preach.
Failing to perform a surgical procedure under non-sterile operating room conditions like that is worrying. There have been many deaths of boys and baby boys who were circumcised in religious practices and subsequently suffered infections.
he is 100% a psychopath and so is anyone else that mutilates babies.
What saddens me more is that many women don't empathize with us on this issue. I had a conversation with a feminist and she brushed it off as if it was nothing, but female genital mutilation? No that's horrible!
Of all women, feminists are the least ones from whom to get empathy on men issues.
Never date or trust a feminist
@@Chan-md2hb If it makes you feel better, women have a hard time trusting men too.
feminists are child predators
True but circ men don’t care because they don’t miss it because they were baby.
The most sensitive body unit in a male body is it's foreskin & frenulum, circumsision won't prevent men from experiencing orgasm but will reduce it's intensity.
Not only it's intensity, it also reduces female pleasure and his ability to give a woman vaginal orgasms. It destroys the natural bond of love and intimacy that is supposed to be built through the shared experience of love making.
@@hiramesensei3112 women have no business in male circumcision, I don't think it's a valid argument...
Unlike males of other species/ females. The most important concentration of nerve endings is located on the foreskin, not the glans. Curcumcision Will take away 75% of a male sensitivity.
I've heard that if the frenulum gets completely ablated, it does prevent men from experiencing orgasm.
its* foreskin/its* intensity
Men don't speak about it because they don't want to think about it. The denial is so deep that it's not even remotely on their radar. I resent that somebody cut me when I was helpless and trusting. I've never gotten over it. I don't care what anybody says, nobody had the right to do that to me. Not a doctor. No my parents. Nobody.
Your burning rage is absolutely rational. I would be in jail if it happened to me.
Preach brother 🙌
AMEN. I’m here in solidarity!
You have my sympathies. And you are absolutely right. A helpless baby boy. What a sick world!
Circumcision is not a big deal. Circumcision doesn't cause any problems, and it has a lot of benefits. It should be the parent's decision whether or not if their child gets circumcised. There are parents who have their baby's ears get pierced, and most people are ok with that.
I think that both male and female "circumcision" should end. With the rare exception of when it's medically necessary, of course. We shouldn't be subjecting children to unnecessary bodily mutilations.
Antisemitism shouldn't have anything to do with it. Thanks for making this video.
Right👍
I doesn't have anything to do with anti-semitism, it's just people who want to mutilate children call it anti-semitism to critizize mutilation to be able to keep mutilating innocents
@@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns I had to get it done in my forties, for medical reasons otherwise its barbaric
@You Tuber I'm guessing this is a troll comment. Surely you cannot be serious.
@You Tuber I don't understand this 'alien' statement. It's literally how humans are born and have evolved to be. If anything is 'alien', it's cutting of thr foreskin. Many medical reasons lead to circumcision as like any part of the body the foreskin can have issues
Forced Circumsicion should be illegal
But the parents aren’t forced
@@macbird-lt8deHe means children shouldn't be forced
No. It should be legal.
@@syedusamashahzad9263 You probably think female genital mutilation should be legal too.
@@macbird-lt8de In a civilized society parents don't have the right to cut off body parts from their kids.
Imagine having a limb chopped off by some third party while you were a baby and as you get older you'll never know how that limb, that's what being circumcised without a choice feels like. My body my choice should apply to men too in this regard.
Consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies. Nothing should be forced on children, especially babies. That's how I see it.
@Truthful Chap No. That's not what I'm saying.
Gareth Ford-Elliott what can be forced on children in your opinion? Where do you think is the line?
Yes and no. There should be limits around what a person should be allowed to do with their body as an adult. Like we’re not just gonna let people start amputating their limbs for the aesthetic lol.
@You Tuber 20,000 nerve endings. A structure called the Ridged Band. Also the exposed glans becone callused.
I agree! Everything that happens to someone's body should be their choice! Same with vaccinations. I chose to be vaccinated myself, because my parents wanted me to make that choice myself. I got baptized when I was 8 years old, because I wanted it (even though 10 years later I left the church... But that was my own choice as well).
No one had any right to force this on me as an infant, and I'd do anything to be whole again.
Circumcision has a lot of benefits to it. It protects against UTIs.
There really isnt much to discuss.
It is not OK to permanently damage a childs genitalia. It doesnt matter if you are a man or women, or if its happening to a boy or girl. The child should be protected
Why does she call those describing male circumcision abusive as 'extreme voices'? She wouldn't call anybody describing FGM abusive as 'extreme voices'.
Also, why are there 'different thoughts and opinions' on this? Why is there any debate whatsoever? It is completely unnecessary and performed without the consent of the child. It should be banned.
'Circumcising' babies is an "extreme" practice!
EXACTLY. Being extremely against child mutilation, I hope you are
People do have doble standards when it comes the issue of circumcision. Female circumcision in any form is vehemently objected to and male circumcision is condoned.
@@ravanraja8079 I see the hypocrisy
It's barbaric, how can you have a civil discussion about such a backward thing when the only counter argument is 'I think it looks better and my father did it' ?! Thankfully it's not widely practice in civilised countries.
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Are you saying the USA is not civilised? Because a large amount of the USA'S male population are circumcised.
There are still a lot of many with health issues that need to be circumcised. I had to done it because of phimosis and because we as men mostly don't have a conversation about our penises it's an internal struggle and pressure to deal with. It wouldn't be that big of a deal if more people opened up about it, I think.
@@Lucsy3012 you should have gotten another opinion with all the medical advancements today you don't have to cut off the most erogenous part of your body. Now your partner will never feel that beautiful gliding in and out that the foreskin provides. This is how women orgasm. Many women in the USA suffer from painful intercourse because all men were are circumcised. I feel sorry for you and your partner. Now your on a long road to becoming desensitized.
@@animejunkie7791 the person was sneakily implying that the USA is not civilized and I openly agree that the USA is not civilized. To continue this practice is barbaric...especially when the reasons are majorly for aesthetic and very little for medical...we, the USA, are a barbaric country.
I'm confounded why they chose a woman to lead the discussion on a body part that she hasn't ever and cannot ever have. I'm even more confounded that some people are actually 100%, unquestioningly cool with surgically altering a newborn for any reason other than medical necessity.
Had me in the first half, ngl
I take it you're not from the UK? The Guardian is ultra far-left.
I challenged my mum on this and she said she was advised at my birth for health reasons and didn't think twice as my father and his father had the same thing. The dumbest part of it is that biblical circumsition was only the tip and not the whole foreskin.
You mean the frenulum. It is occasionally removed randomly in the USA when babies are circumcised
There's nothing wrong with circumcision reduces the risk of urinary tract infections.
@@cks7548 false
read Galatians 5:2
@@cks7548 your wrong it's mutilation period
Equality means if female genital mutilation is wrong, male genital mutilation is wrong. Great video and great journalism as always Iman.
One has medical advantages, the other does not. So a bad choice of comparison really
@@Jamie_Johnson The medical advantages of circumcision only applied in the 19th century and earlier, when people didn't bathe regularly.
@@Jamie_Johnson , there are no advantages to routine infant circumcision, and none proven in any developed country. The risks of the surgery are greater than proven benefit. You can compare male circumcision with female circumcision, depending on the type of female circumcision. Females also have a foreskin, which comes from the same embryonic tissue as the male foreskin. Would you be O.K with cutting the female foreskin (inner labia) from baby girls?
@@psandbergnz That's just not true. There certainly are proven benefits to male circumcision. Circumcised males are much less likely to be infected by STD's, including viruses HIV. The same benefits do not exist for female circumcision, so they are not comparable.
@@arnlaugr Stop lying! Where's your evidence for that then?
Boys are born perfect
I have honestly never thought about circumcision. Even if I do have kids (in this case boys), I am now pretty sure I don't want to have my son undergo this. If for no other reason, I don't see the point to it.
@@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns Genital mutilation of children was NEVER "necessary."
@@Bonobo3D
Yep, if "lack of running water" ever legitimized male circumcision, it would have legitimized EVEN FURTHER female circumcision.
@@gregorymalchuk272 lol, well, that's true
@@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns , no there was never "a time" when it was necessary. It was always wrong to mutilate boys, and especially in the past (where conditions of hygiene were far from optimal). Many boys died from septicemia from the circumcision wound.
@@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns Circumcision was never necessary.
Sadly no man circumcised at birth can tell what it’s like to be intact. On the other hand, every uncircumcised man can imagine what it would be like to have his foreskin sliced off. You don’t get many of us queuing up for this “procedure” as adults do you?
A little aggrevated, but okay..
Fucken barbarians cutting your kids like that.
I'm going to queue up for the procedure
I HATE that I was circumcised.
@@johnburrows5119All men should fight for men's rights in america. Since women would rather focus on women's rights in africa then helping their own boys in america. Im from europe and here circumcision is bizarre. The fact so many american men are for circumcision is because they don't know any better. But women are only for it because its considered better looking. Its disgusting to do this to a baby, americans are extremely weird for normalising one mutilation and fighting for the rights of another mutilation in a whole different continent.
The part where she says “a lot of people spend a lot of time......” he talks over her and says “yelling and screaming and not listening.” Is it just me or thats ironic?
Exactly. It was rude
I thought the same. Wasn't rude he was agreeing and she didn't take it I'm the wrong way but it was funny
I caught that too. It may be a cultural construct of men being the speaker and not the women. I hope there is less of that in our human evolution.
I had to fight my hospital in the US to not have it done. All the forms were pre-filled with the circumcision box ticked
Did it a cost extra? If it did, that might explain their eagerness to go ahead with it.
@@andyp123456 Of course, it's a very profitable business for doctors in the USA, they have no ethics and push it. There are parents that were asked more then 5 times by all medical staff.
Thank you for sharing that, this sort of assumption and very often bullying of the mother to give her precious baby over for sexual mutilation, right after giving birth, is common in US hospitals.
@@Bonobo3D It's no wonder more women are choosing home births.
I may be one of the few American people, like you, who thought about circumcision before our son's birth and did some research. I asked parents I knew, with sons, if they chose it for their boys and if so why. None of their answers were reason enough for us to do that to our newborn. "His dad is circumcised and I want him to look like his dad" was the lamest reason I heard. "I'm a nurse and catheterizing uncircumcised old men is a pain." was the most "medical" answer I got. Several more were just dumb. We decided to make sure that the hospital forms indicated our son remain intact. Routine circumcision of infant boys is an unnecessary and barbaric practice. Expensive, too. Quite a lucrative racket for hospitals and doctors.
"My body my choice."
I thought that would apply to everyone. Apparently not. I dont care who you are, but it shouldnt be on me to explain why I think it is wierd, dangerous or abusive to cut a child, with out any medical reasoning.
no circumcision without consent . child circumcision should be illegal
the ptsd is keeping it alive - I hope there is healing
nailed it!
Noooooo, what about these desert dwellers from 3000 years ago! We should throw away modern human rights and resort to their wisdom instead. After all they knew how to herd sheep very well and... stuff.
Trust me the kid will thank you when he grows up
@@ramilhassen8577trust me I hate that it happened
Absolutely blows my mind how much is this common and preferred in USA.
It’s better
@@TheRockkickass define 'better'
a.rnold it’s less gross and looks better. We used to make fun of this kid so bad on my team cause his wasn’t cut.
@@TheRockkickass So you don't like how it looks in its natural state and consider it gross? Well that is a personal preference. More importantly, do you think we should allow every male to personally decide if they would like part of their body cut off or not?
a.rnold no it’s the parents decision. No question
2:40 "If you haven't had a foreskin, how can you tell it's missing?"
Imagine asking that question to a victim of FGM. How offensive would that be considered?
I think this demonstrates perfectly the main difference between how men and women are (perceived to be) treated in society. Anything you say and pretty much anything you do to a man, he should just suck it up and take it. Anything you say or do to a woman needs to be carefully considered to not offend.
I don't think any question in itself should be considered offensive, no matter if you ask a male or female. It's the actual intent (not _perceived_ intent) that should matter.
if they remove childs brain, they will never know it isn’t there
Male disposability is a real feature of all human society.
It still causes me physical pain and damage today. It is completely unethical to amputate healthy functional tissue from a healthy child.
still causes you physical pain today? lmao, go get checked for ocd, you need a shrink not a doctor
@@barbellsamurai8014 too much skin was taken when it was done when I was a infant. The skin is too tight that when I have sex it can rip a little and cause open wounds. I have had surgery to try and fix some of the problems, but only ended up with more scar tissue. This is not something to laugh at. I underwent a surgery there was no medical need for because society decided how it should look.
@@walterfletcher9249 'rip a little and cause open wounds' try some lube dude, stop going in dry
@Waut Dooghe the guy has ocd you are just enabling him, he needs a therapist
@@walterfletcher9249 Don't listen to 'BARBELL SAMURAI'. He's a horrible person. We feel for you and we also want this barbarism to end. Hope you keep speaking out and sharing your story.
In the case of abortion the ultimate decision is that of the woman, as it should be, because it is HER body. If you agree with that, you must also agree that in the case of circumcision it is the choice of the man because it is HIS body.
It's good the journalist has done this video and heard the different sides, but how on earth she was still undecided by the end is beyond me.
Cutting a child for no medical purpose is child abuse, plain and simple.
This is like someone doing a documentary on the shape of the Earth. They interview a bunch of scientists and some flat Earthers, yet they are still undecided. {smh}
So would you say the same about the umbilical cord?
@@peacheskong2245 elaborate?
No it shouldnt be, it isnt her body, it's the fetus body. Also as the circumcision.
This is incorrect, abortion kills a human life. The better analogy is that abortion is impermissible because the baby cannot consent.
Removing part of a child’s genitalia shouldn’t ever be up for discussion... it’s that child’s body and no one else’s choice.
The reason some of you argue so vigorous in defence of circumcision is because you can't admit that something is wrong with you. Something which wasn't your fault. Something that was done on your behalf by people you love and care for. That's too painful to admit.
@@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns I said some, not all. There are of course legitimate medical reasons to get the operation.
If you say so Doctor. Please tell me more about my psychological state.
@@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns How old are you now?
@@uralwong799 most of the civilised world disagrees
Wow I heard circumcision was more wide spread in the US, but I didn't expect it to be that wide spread. Here in Germany it's the exception not the rule. Probably similar percentage to UK.
It became a thing in the US because of one of the world wars (I forget which). This was for hygiene reasons being in a trench or in hot climates where soldiers could not regularly wash. America being involved in Vietnam continued the practice. They used conscription so a lot of the male population went through the army. Once it's been done for a couple of generations it seems they forgot the reason they were being snipped in the first place.
@@uralwong799 I respectfully disagree. People from many countries still go to war and spend time in situations with suboptimal hygiene but don't circumcise their babies.
@@nikki5095 I don't know what you are disagreeing with. They believed it helped prevent disease. That's not what I believe, it is what they believe. The attempt is to enlighten people on why the US has adopted a different stance compared to other countries with whom they are culturally linked. Not to give my opinion about anything.
Incidentally it was the 1st world war where they adopted the practice. This is all shown by statistical data on the numbers of men circumcised. Rates rising significantly after WW2.
@@uralwong799 I can see where you are coming from now. In the original comment I didn't understand that you were explaining what they believed. It was worded more as a declarative statement so I thought you meant that it was actually necessary because of the conditions. Thank you for clarifying.
@@uralwong799 That's totally false information. It is not the reason why this was introduced. This was introduced well before WWI. Originally it had absolutely nothing to do with military conscription. So it grew after WWII, but that doesn't create causality. Why do you post stuff before verifying?
it takes away a basic support, protection, completeness
Ur so rite. Glad I'm uncut and still going strong with women
@@shevyman6430 Why are you on a circumcision video though?
@@shevyman6430 Simply to parade how better you feel because you so happened to be in a position that you weren't cut. Most of us here didn't choose it, and a lot of people hear enough that they are worse off all the time..
@@johntitor1213 Apparently you don't hear it enough to make it stop. So we'll keep telling you until no more babies have to go through this, capisce?
Just because you're a woman you can't have an opinion on a mutilation on a sensitive part of a skin on a human being who can't consent? That seems very strange
Stranger than men who have an opinion on menstruation and giving birth.
@@ayandamafuyeka1952 I'm a man and I can state facts about female genital mutilation: it's wrong.
As is male genital mutilation.
Your comment is strange.
Weird how Americans incorporated male circumcision ,cause it was not a practice of the Native Americas or the European immigrants
Intact American almost at age 44 here! It's mutilation and should be banned.
I can't help but feel it's uneccessary harm to a child. Regardless of religion, I just feel it has no medical benefit and is just not needed. I would say the same thing about other medical or body modification practices carried out on children. I even think piercing children's ears is wrong.
Ear piercings heal easily though, but a lot of men’s circumcision doesn’t recover similarly.
@@candicefrost4561 you can't compare an ear piercing to the amputation of a functional part of the body.
If someone cut off the small toe on your feet as a child you'd call that mutilation despite not needing your small toes. Why is it different with circumcisions?
Theres always a reason its just unnecessary usually doctors and the medical field cant comprehend or understand anything otherwise we wouldn’t be dropping dead like flies and yes people do die like ceazy cuz of the medical field as well every 1 just shrugs it off
I’m a British man and got circumcised at 29 due to micro tears that caused issues with fore skin and perineum. I have lost all sensation due to rubbing on materials. I do regret it but needed it for health reasons.
Why couldn't you just let the 'micro tears' heal? And did you get the most conservative kind of circumcision you could?
It should be done at birth
@@Chup-mh9hs “it should be done at birth” why? So you don’t remember how it felt before or know what you’re missing?
men who decide to undergo circumcision should also be castrated during this procedure
@@pawezuberek416 be more smarter with your comments
They way American media normalises it and ridicules uncircumcised penises is insane.
Come on, Iman. Removing a normal, healthy part of a child's genitals without medical necessity is abhorrently wrong. How have you still "not landed on a particular answer"?
she didn't dig deep enough. needs a second part.
Agreed. I especially want to hear from doctors and not religions. Why would they perform it, etc.
we can’t have respectful, cordial conversations to debate how much of my body parts I get to keep
Thank you, why do people think even having a discussion about is somehow acceptable.
Don't put a knife anywhere near a healthy childs genitals, end of discussion.
Because the people who are topic of the "discussion" are never part of it, is why.
If two people were having a discussion in front of adult Me about how much of me they are going to cut off, my response would be extreme violence.
But because they did it when I couldnt fight back, we get to say "oh no, be respectful, blah blah blah"
cowards
We can't have a disrespectful one either.
It's not up for debate at all. Period.
Unless these people want to debate FGM.
Just because male infant circumcision is a mandatory practice in some religions does not justify the practice. Nor does the rejection of this practice somehow constitute discrimination against those religions or the people following these religions. There are more than enough reasons to reject religion on other grounds as well.
7:43 when he got out those tools I felt sick in my stomach. this is not right. this should be illegal. if you want to get it done when you're older that's perfectly fine but not on a baby that has no say. please don't pass something down without question because your father's father done so and you may have had it done to you.
Pro-circumcision people: It's tradition!
Anti-circumcision people: It's unnecessary, babies can't consent and it's unethical.
Iman Amrani: I learned a lot but can't choose a side.
Truth.
I think she prefers circumcision but it's not politically correct to say, especially since she was so vocal against FGM.
Truth is, most females prefer circumcised penises. Mostly due to a fear of uncleanliness. Especially for those who engage in oral sex.
Moondancer Targaryen I prefer uncut, but my preference won’t stop me from loving a circumcised man. It’s a shame that this is even a preference at all. That’s someone’s body.
Actually, most people don’t do it because of tradition. Most people do it for the proven benefits that it has.
@@JoelWalker56 WRONG!
Every day I hate my family more for what they did
I have been with men who are circumsized and uncircumsized. I prefer UNCUT, UNCIRCUMSIZED and MEN WITH THE SKIN! I absolutely do NOT understand why women are so "afraid" of it. If I ever have a son I will not cut him. That is so rediculious. Again as for female circumsission....Just stop altering something that is mean't to be the way it was. Unless there was a reason to then leave it.
I prefer sex with the skin because it keeps the moisture and makes for a nicer and more pleasurable experience. When I was with men who had that skin removed....We had to use so much lubrication and after a while it burned with or without lube....It did not feel nearly as great,,,,The health reasons and so much more...
Thanks for that I am uncurmonsied and no experience in sex.
@@samreplete1842 Don't rush into anything that could be regrettable. My brother is 27 and a virgin. I commend him.
I think you will learn that the ladies that matter the most will prefer this.
@@kenzielacosta8244 Thank you, the first time a woman sees my peen it's erect and she don't even know it's whole.. till after the lovin'. Funny, I've been body-shammed by other boys yet a few women have said it's pretty. Eye of the beholder...
Completely agree
Why is it when it comes to female circumcision there is no question it should be abolished and yet with male circumcision it is somehow worthy of conversation? Where is the equality in that?
There are no pros to male genial mutilation.
And no cons
Theirs no cons,it doesn't affect the baby at all.Even when they are older.
@@daniyalahmed687 Boys are born with a foreskin for a reason.
@@devilsadvocate8234 i'm so happy that my father wanted me circumcised. It just looks better n it's probably more hygienic n i've never had any problems soo...
@@YepsTheGreat You never had problems yet. As I stated, we are born with a foreskin for a reason
Really interesting looking at things like this because just swaping the sex of the person almost changes the answers entirely which is just mind boggling...
The rabbi showed you the Mogen clamp. The company got sued out of existence.
Unfortunatly it's still legal for cults to torture innocents
@You Tuber You are a true circumfetish, aren’t you?
@John Adkison What is a Mogen clamp, how is/was it used?
@@gilliankingston8259 Search on here for those words. The top response shows it. Unless you are unable to see age restricted videos.
@@adkisojk Thank you, I will.🌹
Every male I know felt violated by having been circumcised by their patents as a baby.
Outdated practice like the rest of it. Bin it.
Interesting. You live in America? Most men I know don't care, even if many of us decided to not have our sons circumcised, not one I know feels anything towards their parents. Sounds like it's a "ppl you hang with" type of thing
And those who had it done in childhood for the most spurious reasons
@@draedon_
I am in a group working to force the federal government to fund stem cell based foreskin regeneration. Look up Foregen.
@@erikbarrett85 Have you had serious discussions about circumcision with most men you know? No doubt most circumcised men are indifferent or even happy about it (incidentally, so are most circumcised women), but they also tend to know very little about the subject.
@You Tuber ok boomer
When i was circumsized i was botched. Thats why im against it
EVERY circumcision is botched.
CIRCUMCISION NEEDS TO BE OUTLAWED
In the USA I consider it a violation of human rights as defined in the constitution and bill of rights. I consider it sexual assault and battery. I am taking it up in federal court since the federal government performed mine since I was born in a naval hospital.
@@adkisojk sexual assault?
circumcision is cruel, but you know its not sexual assault. You think you are making your argument stronger by linking the problem to very vaguely related issues. but in fact you are just making it easier to poke holes into it.
@@georgplaz Except that cutters are molesting and mutilating underaged genitals. So it passes on to pedophilia.
@@georgplaz How is it not sexual assault!?! Permanently damage someone's genitals when they're too young to object. Compared to a lot of the sexual assault cases happening at the moment, this absolutely can be considered sexual assault!
Just swap the baby out for a grown adult and you'll see how messed up of a concept this is.
@You Tuber Warning! A circumfetish is prowling around.
It's child abuse plain and simple.
Why are many women fleeing Circumsised Rich nations as Saudiarabia and UAE? What about all people fleeinG Middle East? Those unattractive cultures are 100% cut men, sometimes women too like Egypt, Sudan, Somalia
Look, we have no right to perform surgery on another person - least of all a child who cannot consent - for any other reason other than medical. It's really as simple as that, for both men and women. It should be illegal.
If you're against circumcision you are not against judaism. Get your heads around this.
I understand the sensitivity around the religious aspects of circumcision and I respect the feelings, but unless there is a valid medical reason for the intervention, such as phimosis, mutilating the genitalia of infant males without their consent will alter how they experience their sexuality for the rest of their lives. It’s just plain wrong and cruel to cut babies that don’t need to be cut, regardless of whether you think a profet was told by god to cut em.
A diagnosis of phimosis in a child who can urinate is malpractice, even if the foreskin balloons out during urination due to a pinhole-sized opening. EXTREMELY TIGHT is the normal, natural state of a foreskin until the child's own curious manipulation eventually makes the skin retractable. The AAP advises ONLY CLEAN WHAT IS SEEN, LEAVE IT ALONE. Only the owner should ever retract a foreskin.
There are medical reasons but those who are against it advise this procedure to be performed only if the person in question is suffering from one of these problems. I'm to lazy to write anything else, but a quick search on the internet can give you the information you need if you're interested to know more. You'll find it on any medical website is presume.
Actually, only in USA we systematically remove the foreskin for a phymosis.
In the worst cases, prepucioplasty can correct any phymosis without amputation. In mild cases, streching and creams are sufficients.
CHURCH AND STATE SHOULD BE SEPARATED.
@@nicolasgagnon5122 In most cases, it goes away in its own. Without doing ANYTHING. Yet in some places they turn straight to cutting the business up
That Rabbi who performs to circumcision is proud of his work, how he says doctors recognise his work, the mans sick! Those tools and method are so barbaric, circumcision should only be done for medical purposes
That Rabbi is a psycho.
he would be in the jail if he was in Europe
And here's the effrontery to characterize cutting achild as being part of a religious covenant.
Leave children alone you sickos.
This is nothing compare to killing babies
Autonomy rights take precedence over religious right. Period. If your religion requires you to harm yourself or others to demonstrate your devotion or loyalty to your faith , maybe it's time to rethink and reflect. Circumcision is a barbaric practice, and no one can convince me otherwise.
Yes! Culture is not an excuse to maim or endanger. I respect that traditions mean a lot, but irreversible changes to the body causing complications/loss cannot be done to children.
The foreskin is a functional part of make anatomy and also provides sexual pleasure.
You shouldn't remove it from a child if there is nothing wrong with it.
I really wish this was seen as a more valid issue rather than just writing it off as being okay because it happening to boys or that people could consider genital hygiene and safe sex practice instead of rushing to cut off foreskin.
Oh and women can have an opinion on if men should be circumcised as soon as men are allowed to have an opinion on women's bodies.
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Where are you coming from? The video DID take it seriously. And (in Europe) at least, it's a custom of patriarchal religions. I don't think that women have much say in it at all.
Turn your ire on those who deserve it, if you dare.
@@dumfriesspearhead7398 I'm coming from the US to be exact where being against circumcision is often assumed to be rooted in anti antisemitism no matter how much assurance it's given. You talk a big game of "if you dare". I actually know where the ire goes or are you saying that stuff just to show off?
When I say "wish it was seen as more valid" here in the States circumcision is still covered by a lot of medical insurance policies and advocates for it move heaven and earth to try to defend the practice. On the other hand another "patriarchal" practice is FGM. Have you noticed that the majority of the known world is already firmly against it? Have you also noticed that its quite easy to openly criticize FMG without having to worry about someone willfully interpreting it as being against the cultures that practice it? Yet for some odd reason the gut reaction to being against circumcision is to assume antisemitism.
@@jollyyellow Criticism of circumcision is seen to be rooted in antisemitism because it is a traditional practice within Judaism. And SOME of it will be rooted in antisemitism, if not most of it.
You spoke about women having opinions on men's bodies. But this has got nothing to do with women's opinions.
But I see a lot of men in this comment blaming women for something they have little influence over.
Direct your anger towards the medical profession (in the US) campaign against the practice, but blaming women gets you nowhere, but it's easy to do I guess.
YES! THE CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE CUT. THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN THE OPTION AT 18 YEARS OLD!
"I haven't landed on a particular answer" - wow, it seems quite irritating that cutting of a well functioning sensitive body part isn't absolutely wrong by default - I am shocked, especially by a person like you who is a feminist and stands up for autonomy over ones body
A feminist? You must be joking. Isn't she a Guardianista?
barbaric practice , Should be BANNED for minors . PERIOD . Its mutilation , no excuses
My earliest memory is of hurting and bleeding..... for no reason than it was the done thing.....I'm pretty sure it changes people deeply
Any parent who hands their child over to be sexually assaulted and mutilated needs to speend the next eighteen years in prison just like any other child molester. Same goes for anyone who actually performs the act. There is no greater travesty than parents and adults who intentionally harm children. Their victims deserve justice!
this mutilation has destroyed my life.
Your reason at the end is stupid. . As a woman you don't have an opinion? So as a man I don't have an opinion on fgm .
That's the sort of thinking I've come to expect from the guardian lol
Luke Cooper she was saying that she didn’t have a personal experience of it and so therefore doesn’t have a full understanding of the topic. To me this makes complete sense.
@@mt3930 Perhaps if she's going to do a story on a subject then she can research it first.
@You Tuber this guy doesn't know how to wash.....
@You Tuber Where are you from?
@You Tuber You seem very pro-circumcision so I'm curious if you're from a pro-circumcision society.
Having to use hand lotion is not right
a lot of the anti circumscion stuff is just myth, I am not snipped and I sill need lotion. the idea that my orgasms are 50000% more intense than yours is just ridiculous
Kids will experiment with anything! Better that parents provide KY gelly to their mutilated boys.
Couldn't agree more with what Emmanuel says.....
@@barbellsamurai8014 I don't need lotion and I've never met an intact guy who did...
I'm circumcised and I don't need lubes or lotions.
Circumcision of minors should be illegal, its against the religious freedom of the infant to do it.
I wonder if she laughed and joked so flippantly when she reported on female circumcision
Totally different animals tho. Or atleast same species but maybe a lion vs a housecat
Who knows maybe she had it done too and supports it, if her family is practicing circumcisions most likely she is a supporter, she must pretend not to be though to keep her career going
Male and female circumcision though are very very different
@@nibnob7 They aren't "very very different". Not all FGM involves cutting off the clitoris. Many forms of FGM involve just ritualistically pin-pricking the labia, or cutting off the inner labia, but leaving the outer labia intact. The difference however is that *all forms* of FGM are illegal whereas male circumcision is viewed as normal and even desirable.
It shouldn't even be called circumcision. Its just not the same thing.
Unfortunately Iman simply reinforces the taboo by not talking about pain, scarring, human rights, anatomy and the foreskin's function. She instead keeps the discussion cerebral and lighthearted (and hence taboo) by focusing on religion and men's discomfort with the subject rather than what a circumcision actually entails and the lifelong negative effects it can have on some men, physically and emotionally. Perhaps if she had talked to some men who are undertaking foreskin restoration she would have understood, and been better able to present, why some men are so adamant that routine infant circumcisions be ended.
You're right. She did reinforce the taboo.
She had an agenda, and she fulfilled that agenda. This was not supposed to be an objective look at the issue, this was meant to be a justification piece for circumcision. This is social engineering.
@@mbaksa 100% this
The religious aspect of this isn't really a valid argument even if you do view circumcision as part of your religion.
Because the choice should still be the individuals.
I mean, ever since the days of the reformation, many christian denominations reject the practice of child baptism.
Because you are not truly part of a religion by birth, it has to be by choice.
I hate my circumcision
You can sugarcoat infant genital mutilation all you want. But my definition neonatal circumcision is non therapeutic, battery, assault, mutilation and it is a violation of 4 different Amendments.
It's extremely telling that circumcision is not looked at in the same way that abortion is. The whole 'My Body, My Choice' is not applied nearly as enthusiastically to circumcision for men, especially newborn, non-consenting boys, as it is to abortion for women. In a way, I think men are seen as less vulnerable and more expendable compared to women, hence why we don't look at circumcision the same way we do abortion. Let's face it, we can ascribe all the religious and ideological reasons we want to justify circumcision, but at the end of the day it is still male genital mutilation. Removing the clitoris is seen as female genital mutilation, so why don't we view male circumcision in the same way?
I don't think there has been any studies that looked into female circumcision and its various forms. It might as well have medical benefits, of the same grade and quality as the ones from the male practice lol. But nobody has looked into it apparently (correct me if I'm wrong), they straight up said it has no benefits and outlawed it.
I certainly don't see any double standards here, or religious influence ;)
It's to do with women too. It's a female issue for all women who wish to partner with men. Cutting of men's preluce affects women during intercourse and men's experience with their partner and therefore harmony when courting/bonding.
The Adult should decide what to do with his body and not some stranger during infancy.
@Danny G Yeah because it's not something like hair which grows back isn't it.
@pleiades you said it perfectly! It is an AWFUL thing to do to your tiny baby! I say this with shame that I allowed this to be done to my son. My 20yo self really had no idea what it was all about. My sister was 14 and was there with my son and I when he was done and 20 years later my sister still remembers the horror of the procedure. She has not had any boy babies yet but if she does she said she would not even consider it and hopes her husband would come around and not wish it to be done.
Danny G he means the doctor, who pushes for it.
In that case we shouldn't give babies any shots either, we should stop cutting the umbilical cord at birth as well since, you know, no consent.
rajan lad ain’t you circumcised?
Show me a circumcision without cutting a thousand sensitive nerves or drawing blood and I'll agree with it.
This procedure is sexism!
And Male Gnital Mutilation.
It does not require a great mind effort to understand how cut any genitals of people who are not able to give a consent (minor) is immoral and unethical. Even if is for religious reasons they can do after 18
The right to a full functional body is a human right, it shouldn't even be questioned
It’s not a good thing, I feel bad for them because they have not had the choice
its about honor and tradition... the pain acts as a reminder for manhood
@@MoratoryBasil every man definitely needs it
@@MoratoryBasil why do you say so
@@Hon_Ngure That’s all B.S.!
@@MoratoryBasil Very few do, so your point is silly.
Where my "no lotion required" gang?
Kh Pk you did don’t need lotion if your circumcised tho...
@@KayKapone1 Depends on how taut the remaining skin is. Many men do need lotion
sand paper anyone ?
Entengummitiger it feels like sand paper when u rub it with no lotion it’s like death
I've been circumcised for a few years now. Don't need lotion though ...
`Is there a problem talking about this subject, that each man circumcised as a child does not know what difference a foreskin would make. I was 'done' when I was 11 for medical reasons and, of course, my views are only about how I feel with it 'done'.
That said, I do not think we should routinely chop off body parts - and especially not for religious reasons. After all, this could be done later when the child accepts the faith,. for example at a Bar Mitzva.
What medical reasons are there to circumcise an 11yo?
I got it done at the same age in the UK for phimosis.
@@endofscene mine was extreme phimosis and a case of balantis.
I never had a definitive opinion on this issue until recently i found out hundreds of both boys and girls die as a result of genital mutilation each year. Even though it is very rare, its enough to make me sick thinking about parents who take that risk.
Hundreds of boys die of botched circumcisions every year in the USA alone. You don't want to know the figures in Africa, that other circumcising part of the third world.
This is mutilation and should a crime.
Nature puts something there for a reason. So people are voicing against nature itself.
It's one thing to circumcise a child without consent but for the operation to be performed by someone who is not a qualified surgeon ie a rabbi is insane.
Sometimes insanity needs to be played out so people can see the consequences
Dont cut children.. simple
@Hannah Mounter what?
@@bobbyblazes1 it's an American metaphor for a bad child who misbehaves.
Thank you for this topic. As a UK resident brought up in a CofE heritage, I have always found cultural circumcision a very alien concept.
In my opinion, the act is a human rights violation when performed for non-medical reasons with infants. I appreciate religious symbolism and tradition plays a huge role in this act, but question the justification of cutting an infant in a modern context. In our biblical history, it was also acceptable to apply an eye for an eye as a principle of law. Perhaps it is acceptable to reevaluate the basis of our ritual cutting today, just as other principles have been contextualised against modern ethics.
Infant male circumcision was not uncommon in England in the first half of the 20th century. Many British men over 60yo are circumcised.
I have been a member of the intact movement for 40 years. This is the first time I have ever heard of Anti-Semitism and the anti-circumcision movement. I wrote a paper while at University in the USA, citing the main reason for the procedure being performed is money, and secondly ignorance about why is done here. The standard comment is "I want my son to be just like me". Sadly I have never convinced one single member of my large extended family to not circumcise their boys.
Yup. And if the father was missing a limb?
STOP CUTTING CHILDREN.
Well I'm from India. And I didn't knew such a thing happens just some days ago. In India you can find most half a billion people, not circumcised and don't care to do so. So they and I are all fine and Healthy. So there is no reason to do that unnecessary torture.
It's not antisemitic to question the ethics and morality of circumcision - it's concern for the obvious pain and distress of the baby.
If a man wishes to circumcise himself after the age of 18 for religious reasons, I have no problem with that.
But to force it on a child is simply genital mutilation and should be illegal.
Eliehu Ungar-Sargon is controlled opposition. We in the intactivist movement do NOT consider him to be a legitimate intactivist. Of COURSE the Guardian used him as the "go-to" intactivist.
Hi! Could you explain me what harm you feel he did to that cause? I'm genuinely interested
FGM is not a very different topic or issue. Cultures that practice FGM practise circumcision and they do so for near enough the same reasons.
There’s a myth that FGM is more invasive or different in kind. FGM covers a range of practices many of which are less invasive than male circumcision (some of which are of course more invasive).
That said well done on this piece of journalism, and approaching it with an open mind.
pretty gross to justify mutilating a baby based off of your own sexual preferences