I will note that Deadlock is _much_ closer to Valve's other moba DOTA 2 than LoL. Creep denying, hugely transformative active items for counterplay, high time to kill with long crowd control, hell even the side shops are a direct transplant from what DOTA used to have, everyone laning without a dedicated jungler, not to mention all the copy/pasted abilities and items. I've heard that Icefrog, the guy that designed a lot of DOTA, is working behind Deadlock as well, which gives me a lot of confidence it won't have the crackhead balance I put up with when I played league. Not even talking about how a business model with Valve Money behind it can and has avoided many LoL pitfalls, they're also innovating the mechanics they're taking from DOTA. For example creep denying has been changed to keep the test of skill without allowing weird reverse-pushing lane control schemes, and Lady Geists ultimate is straight up lifted from the ADC Terrorblade but with a kit that at least tries to integrate it, even if the final product is still a bit awkwardly placed lategame imo
Yeah, it was weird when he compared it to LoL when DOTA is clearly the spiritual progenitor. Even a lot of the active items are pretty much ported from the dota item shop. And I wonder if they're here to stay tbh, because it makes the late game very gimmicky.
it borrows alot in terms of gameplay from dota definitely but how the characters function actually feels alot more like league in a sense where u are rewarded if u are good with mechanical skill. you need to have decent aim/movement and actually land ur skillshots unlike dota where there is more focus on things on the macro level like itemization and map influence.
Clarification about the minion orbs, after 10 minutes the orbs will always have full soul bounty. So if you see someone on the enemy team pushing? Just position yourself to steal a boatload of their farm!
The tower is not meant to protect you, you protect the tower. It has philosophy of Dota 2 not Lol from items to laning to heroes. There are items that can counter skills and items. As icefrog would say "if everything is broken, nothing is"
I really hope that this game does what ow and tf2 did and give their characters iconic animated shorts, it would help giving the longevity that a game like this deserves, also I'm too invested in this universe's premise.
It will probably become a big fkin money maker like u can make both the weapon and character skins with some money plus there will be a league and a championshup(I hope it will not happen cuz the inflation bouta go crazy)
The rejuvinator buff roughly halves the next respawn for all your teammates, letting you push without risking if you get wiped or making it harder for the enemy to siege you / capitalize on getting a pick. I think it'd be more impactful if Deadlock had DOTA's long respawns lategame (max 2 minutes vs max 1 minute) but it's a neat idea and iteration on DOTA's aegis You're correct that the barriers are a laning item, I think, but they're actually meant to be mostly offensive. You get pretty meaty attack bonuses when they're up, so people like Vindicta buy them all the time since they can be an absolute pain in the ass from a pretty safe distance.
i dont think they want this game to have long game time... there's a lot of people that already complaining that deadlock takes too long for each game.
deadlock is an amazing Moba and even better shooter. Ive been in the beta for a while now and I can say that valve choose an awsome time to open up the publishing of videos. had it been just a month ago I think everyone would've gotten stuck on how in complete it looks instead of how good it plays
Yeah and it might be their biggest money maker in the long run cuz they will probably make character skins and weapon skin maybe even battlepass cuz that would be a lot of item plus they will make a big ass championship
I'm personally a big fan of the artstyle. It kind of reminds me of something like DEATHLOOP or Bioshock, or if you want to be generous, this old PS3 game called Counterspy. I think the (for lack of a better descriptor) bond intro esque ui and clunky/dated technology is really well executed.
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The game is in early development, so most of the content are placeholders and unfinished. The final game will not look like this; the graphics, animations, and everything else will be improved.
The barrier are not useless, they provide very strong damage bonuses while they are up and are of incredible value per soul. Armor scales better, but have much less value. For characters like Vindicta or Talon they are great, since you want to avoid getting damaged anyway and should be more interested in the damage buffs that come with the barriers.
As a non moba player, I've never played any moba games before, this has been one of my absolute addictions and I truly hope the best will happen with this game.
Ngl Ive been playing league since 2018ish? and this game was such a radical departure from the slow-paced feel of league that I lost like my first 10 games because I wasn't ever farmed up enough on minions. And now I can't stop playing it because the strategy of a moba mixed with the incredibly fast-paced team fights has made a game that I'm enjoying greatly. Very promising game. Except warden, he is absolutely evil.
7:40 the rejuvenator gives your entire team a buff that shortens the amount of time it'll take them to respawn the next time they die, and temporarily makes your minions stronger
11:20 that's really interesting, bc that hasn't been my experience at all. I thought the laning phase was actually pretty forgiving. You respawn after only about seven or eight seconds, and it's so early into the game, you just can't do that much damage to a guardian in that short amount of time. I've never been in a match where someone dies in lane, and that leads to their opponent taking out their guardian. Maybe it's just whatever MMR I'm playing at.
"No TF2s were hurt in the making of this MOBA." The project is allegedly IceFrog's baby after all, if anyone has more reason to complain it's DOTA2 fans. Maybe? It's hard to tell, because they're permanently on mute anyway. ALSO, apparently Valve just hired a bunch of Hopoo Games staff! You know, the DEADBOLT folks! Oh, and RoR of course. So either Deadlock is getting some extra expert help very soon or that little HLX side project's gets its procedurally generated biomes patched up. Either or. Or AND. EITHER way, that's pretty exciting.
barriers are incredibly important because they increase your spirit/weapon damage while theyre charged and you can stack them as much as you want !!!!!!!!!
I never check my Steam notifications, and found out the other day I got invited to play it like 2 weeks ago, still need to check it out for myself. I love the art style, it reminds me a lot of that new show from Genndy Tartakovsky, Unicorn Warriors Eternal, what with the antiquated characters mixed with sci-fi tech/mystical abilities. I'll have to check this one out, though I don't have a ton of experience with MOBAs, here's hoping!
i wouldnt mind more mele focused heroes or very short ranged heroes in the future, Playing pure melee lash was the most fun ive had. so maybe a hero with a sword, that can only hit a few inches in front
@@Elrealsodapop200 knew someone was going to say that, she uses her sword for one Q attack, that doesnt make her melee and its a ranged attack, still does not qualify as melee at all instead of meleeing with the sword she punches. hardly qualifies anything i want except she has a sword
Note that while bullet damage *does* do flat scaling abilities dont. You can hold alt and look at your abilities to see what their scaling is. The scaling if the ability scales in the first place is shown as a lable with a purple star (the spirit icon) and a multiplier in the top right corner of the affected stat. For example Ivy's 2 Watcher's covenant has scaling that is 0.2x times your spirit for it's fire rate buff *and* it's lifesteal buff. Also a few very specific abilities don't do spirit damage. For example Viscous' 3 puddle punch does melee damage.
@@benshulz4179 21 heroes. Also it's rather important that characters scale differently otherwise you'd have some fucked up consiquences. With Ivy's 2 for example the lifesteal is measured in percentile if it scaled 1 to 1 you could reasonably get over 100% lifesteal *that gets shared with up to 3 allies.* on a 20s cooldown and up for another 20s. To clarify, it gives other characters the same amount of lifesteal to their hits *and* all healing done by a character in covenant is mirrored to all members of the covenant.
The more frustrating mechanics that Kelvin and Mo/Krill have in their kits are almost entirely nullified by certain items. Debuff Remover means you aren't disarmed any more at the press of a button, Reactive Shield gives you barriers when stunned, etc. It's a shame that none of the default guides ever show you that these items exist.
hmm, I've mostly not been picking up armor to focus on more damage and controlling range. Getting extra stamina and speed is really good. I should definitely consider picking up the armors on characters I actually want to get stuck in with though. Also, it's incredible that you can pick up so much lifesteal in this game, it actually feels really weird to have basically every character healing massive amounts of damage just from killing things
the armor/barrier analysis is wrong, at least on less tanky characters and more bursty type characters (paradox, haze, grandpa). You buy the barriers for the stat bonuses and operate under the assumption of completely avoiding damage only to sneak in and get a big hit. Also with veil walker that can instantly refresh them, they become extremely strong and can be a 50% increase your health pool as they stack. For the smaller barriers think of them more like a delayed heal - items like high velocity give a +80 heal every 60 sec in lane which isn't insignificant.
it's something like, portals to another realm started opening up in the 1880s and things started getting weird. 50 years later, they're mostly integrated into society, though outer gods seem to be granting wishes of some sort.
It is surreal seeing my art in your thumbnail. Also I kinda wish I positpned Bebop lower so you could give the title more room to breathe, but otherwise pretty proud of how this came out.
@@benshulz4179 Well, that's just video game in general. If you're not a gamer, simple mechanic like respawn after dying also doesn't make sense. Or killing innocent creatures in the jungle to steal their gold can be seen as just straight up vile. The same with denying, it's been in RTS since at least Red Alert 2. Even older than that if I'm not mistaken.
Batlleborn is the actual comparison everyone is looking for. It may not have been successful, but it's probably the only game that comes closest to what Deadlock is. Comparing it to League or TF2/Overwatch might be useful when comparing certain aspects of the game, but if we want to say "It's like ____ but _____" then Battleborn is the game to point at. My personal comparison is "It's like Battleborn but with more emphasis on verticality."
unironically i came for your profile pic (love to see another they/them out in the wild) and stayed cause you have a really nice voice, so if they actually put you in the game that would be awesome
Good video but I disagree that geist is op because of her gun cos dynamo just blows that out the water lol, if anything he's op once u finish lane and get 3 or 4 attack items u are literally a god ganker Also kelvin and Moe and krill do more than just cc imo especially with kelvin with his skill 1 being insane for poke and his ult being extremely versatile not just as cc but basically also an invuln for his whole team. In terms is MAK I agree his design is a bit underwhelming now especially in regards to the duo character thing but imo his cc isn't even that oppressive like disarm is relatively ok like it's not even a hard stun and u can still use ur skills, so spirit based skill characters can kinda shrug it off. And his ult isn't that bullshit either imo since u have to be 1cm away from someone to use it and u are extremely vulnerable while casting it. Comparing it to some of the other stuns like from lash I think it's really not that horrible
On the point about Shiv's ult, I haven't played him yet, but it sounds like Vindicta's. She has a mechanic where her ult shots do more damage to people under 50% HP and they glow red to show they're under the threshold. So I wouldn't say it's a super new thing for them to do.
the main difference is that shiv is an execute whereas vindicta's is just bonus damage, probably should have made this more clear in the video but it has to get finished eventually
Great video, i liked almost all of it, except the lining face being longer, one thing i hate about mobas is the 10 to 15 mins last hitting minions, in my opinions tem fight are the bread and butter of team based games, lol, overwatch, dota, etc. the fun part of all those games, is the team fights, so the sooner the better, at least for me. Again, great video.
I can definitely agree with the Mo and Krill criticisms, and I play him a LOT. Also as for who's who, voice lines from the little guy (Krill) call the big guy "Maurice" (unless he's calling him Mole-rice which would be funny), and even the shopkeeper says something like, "Mo you beautiful mole b****ard, give me a hug." But I like Krill, he shoots, but he's also what actually holds the enemy in place for the ultimate, as his gun turns into a little taser thing (edit: also his voice lines are pretty fun with the abilities sometimes). If anything visual needs changing, keep Mo the same and change Krill's looks, because yeah idk what he's supposed to be, but I like that sort of idea of having the tag team duo. I also love the look of a big mole with the newsboy cap that covers his eyes (maybe going along with the idea of eyes on a mole being difficult to see irl)
i have to agree with mo and krill, i genuinely don't like going against as his ability's sorta just run up to "you can't play the game now" no firing your weapon, getting stunned and them hiding underground just usually leads to me slightly back pedaling when i see him or him just flying out of nowhere and destroying me while i don't really have any control. Honestly besides them i like the cast of characters, some need work (games straight up not done) but i think it's a good start
been playing the game for 40 hours a couple weeks before the game went out of private invites and only learned about being able to slam down by double tapping ctrl in air.
i'm still hoping to see how the lore of this game will be, since Valve has a great history with fun deep and good stories to games... also it's the only i can engage with the game due to having a potato por a pc
Yo homie just a tip but laning is usually the first 10 min. since souls are shared instead of split. Dont duo lane after 10 min. And double your souls per minute.
as a piece of shit, nothing brings me more satisfaction than doing phantom strike into combo on mo&krill and having an opposing player tell me to off myself
I see people comparing this to League of Legends a lot but it's literally just Dota 2. From the design philosophy, the characters, the items, the mechanics,... everything is very Dota 2. You can almost smell IceFrog in this game.
I think deadlock is more on the dota 2 side than league. It has a creep denying mechanic, no jungler, physical dmg and magical damage (unlike pike with some armor penetration scaling like u said) , sideshops, and the guardians hits are tankable
I like it but it always feels like my gun shoots tampons and my abilities utilize pool noodles meanwhile my enemies are on steroids and armed with shotguns and sledgehammers.
Could the problem be your items? People tend to default to some specific weapon and vitality items, but some others, especially in the soul category are enormous. Veil walker, soul burst, boundless soul, ext.
I just cant get with it, it feels like an amalgamation of the "greatest hits" of both Hero Shooters and MOBAs, while also being lass than the sum of its parts. Valve is known for changing the industry, not following trends, which makes this game stick out of their lineup like a sore thumb for me.
I will never let you say it’s ok for tf2 to die for this 😭😭😭They gotta remaster and port that game to source 2. It’s still the best hero shooter ever made period.
HEY IM A MO AND KRILL PLAYER! hes actually really fun to play and is a melee fighter and disarm might suck if you only put shit in range but realistically, the damage of your abilities and melee just thanks to a dps's weapon damage boosts should mean that you can still smack the shit outta of mo and krill and really it shouldnt be the end of the world unless your out of position or in a losing teamfight. sounds like someones just salty about some CC ;D as for kelvin i have nothing to say as vindicta pissess me off for the same WAYYY to over the top strong mobility that makes her untouchable to melee fighters and even ranged fighters sometimes if the vindicta knows what shes doing.
I think denying creeps makes a lot of sense and isn't gamey at all. They're the front line, the soldiers. In human history how many times have generals sent a bunch of young men to throw their lives away for a advantage in the war as a whole? Real human beings have been "denied" by their superiors. Anyway great vid !
I left my first game, but then tried the game again and it's kind of meh? It got stale really quickly for me and the npc killing part felt incredibly tedious, especially considering there are no characters with some sort of flamethrower or bazooka, so you spend relatively a lot of time finishing them off one by one. I wish they would remove the entirety of crowd control and instead add more offensive perks too. But maybe I haven't learned about the perks that deal with crowd control. Also this is stupid, but despite it being a brand new valve game I feel like I'm entering dota 2 community with all of the awful people in vc and chat. I haven't played dota myself but I imagine this is what their community is like, so the biggest turn off is probably the associations I've made because of the genre which might be unfair.
As someone who has played the Moba genre since Reign of Chaos, I am exhausted by it, and while I'm sure there's innovations here and there, this still all blurs together in my head. FPS is typically a genre that requires skill to determine an outcome, hero shooters muddy that with abilities and mobas muddy it with items. Best of luck to Valve but I've got 0 interest.
i dont like deadlock. it makes me very upset. i cant particularly quantify it. the matches were excessively long. there were many moments where i was doing literally no damage and died from one or two attacks, and then other moments where i was barely trying and utterly eviscerating people. maybe i have to play it more, but i have played enough moba games to have a sense of the undeliable minutiae contributing to me being in a good mood or a bad mood, and deadlock was definitely not putting me in a good mood.
I honestly don't think so, deadlock doesn't have some of the insane macro bullshit that's in dota with minion manipulation, and that is a *huge* part of dota.
@@cassius_scrungoman thanks for reading my comment, it was a joke based on some small meme i saw some time ago didint intend for this to be taken seriously sorry :/
My issue with the amount of CC is that there's no real hard counter to it unlike in say Smite, which has an activated item that nullifies and clears it aswell as some heroes ultimates getting it, so in Deadlock if you're fighting a CC heavy team they are at a huge advantage, just today I had this issue that after we moved into teamfight phase there was just, nothing we could do in any given teamfight because you would just get stunlocked to death by any of the 6 people as they all had stuns. I'm fine with CC but the only counter right now is silencing items, which have to be preemptively used. Some abilities are also just wack, Mo & Krill have to use an Ult to stun 1 single person, while others like Ivy, Abrams, Seven, Dynamo have hard stuns/knockups on their basic abilities from level 1. Abilities all around are inconsistently balanced.
Unstoppable, debuff remover or debuff reducer, and active barrier are all good to keep on hand. Also try some suppression items for good preemptive counterplay!
@@Monte_Carlo451 Unstoppable is a Tier 4 item, ie one you usually dont usually get untill late, leaving you without crucial items if you save for it early, unless you're already snowballing.
@@Cruddyhorse that's why you got debuff remover and reducer to play around the item (but dont fully depend on it) until you got an unstoppable. In late game, it makes unstoppable very crucial since most heroes are online at that part. That's where decision making comes in, do you want damage/crucial item first or do you want to survive a team fight? Remember, you cant kill if you are dead. What do you main anyway?
4:55 Denying in Dota does have a sense, Power spikes in Dota come in different form and one of them is the level power spike. Let's say you"re laning against a Hero that has a power spike at lvl 6, you should try to deny as much as possible to stall their power spike while you can secure your lane before they hit it because the importance of denies in dota is not to prevent the enemy from gertting gold as much as to minimize their XP gain since when you deny your creep, the enemy gets only 50% of the XP. it's also a way to control the creep equilibrium in some cases. As I typed this I realized what you meant by "game-y", but I'd use the word "nerdy" lol
@@benshulz4179 ok but.... denies in Dota do not give money tho. It does not give anything to the one denying, it just prevents money and minimizes EXP that's all
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I will note that Deadlock is _much_ closer to Valve's other moba DOTA 2 than LoL. Creep denying, hugely transformative active items for counterplay, high time to kill with long crowd control, hell even the side shops are a direct transplant from what DOTA used to have, everyone laning without a dedicated jungler, not to mention all the copy/pasted abilities and items.
I've heard that Icefrog, the guy that designed a lot of DOTA, is working behind Deadlock as well, which gives me a lot of confidence it won't have the crackhead balance I put up with when I played league. Not even talking about how a business model with Valve Money behind it can and has avoided many LoL pitfalls, they're also innovating the mechanics they're taking from DOTA. For example creep denying has been changed to keep the test of skill without allowing weird reverse-pushing lane control schemes, and Lady Geists ultimate is straight up lifted from the ADC Terrorblade but with a kit that at least tries to integrate it, even if the final product is still a bit awkwardly placed lategame imo
Yeah, it was weird when he compared it to LoL when DOTA is clearly the spiritual progenitor. Even a lot of the active items are pretty much ported from the dota item shop. And I wonder if they're here to stay tbh, because it makes the late game very gimmicky.
it borrows alot in terms of gameplay from dota definitely but how the characters function actually feels alot more like league in a sense where u are rewarded if u are good with mechanical skill. you need to have decent aim/movement and actually land ur skillshots unlike dota where there is more focus on things on the macro level like itemization and map influence.
"you need to have decent aim/movement and actually land ur skillshots unlike dota" what dota are you playing? LoL is dota on easy mode.
@@domatdom You're still describing what Dota does before League was even developed lol Dota has skillshots since 2005
Is funny to me is how this game is basically Dota 3 and all this people call it LoL + Overwatch.
Clarification about the minion orbs, after 10 minutes the orbs will always have full soul bounty. So if you see someone on the enemy team pushing? Just position yourself to steal a boatload of their farm!
The tower is not meant to protect you, you protect the tower. It has philosophy of Dota 2 not Lol from items to laning to heroes. There are items that can counter skills and items.
As icefrog would say "if everything is broken, nothing is"
I really hope that this game does what ow and tf2 did and give their characters iconic animated shorts, it would help giving the longevity that a game like this deserves, also I'm too invested in this universe's premise.
"The birds will deal with them"
"Sniping's a good job, it's challenging work, outta doors..."
I do know they are making visual novels for the characters.
It will probably become a big fkin money maker like u can make both the weapon and character skins with some money plus there will be a league and a championshup(I hope it will not happen cuz the inflation bouta go crazy)
@wolfrosefrost5475 that is good enough. But it would be nice to see more .
The rejuvinator buff roughly halves the next respawn for all your teammates, letting you push without risking if you get wiped or making it harder for the enemy to siege you / capitalize on getting a pick.
I think it'd be more impactful if Deadlock had DOTA's long respawns lategame (max 2 minutes vs max 1 minute) but it's a neat idea and iteration on DOTA's aegis
You're correct that the barriers are a laning item, I think, but they're actually meant to be mostly offensive. You get pretty meaty attack bonuses when they're up, so people like Vindicta buy them all the time since they can be an absolute pain in the ass from a pretty safe distance.
Rejuevanator also gives 50% more souls on Lane minions
I really do not feel like doing nothing for 2 minutes every time I die. I know it'd be for balance reasons, but I absolutely hate the idea of that
Nah I've had respawn times of 77seconds at about 60minute match length, it just scales differently to dota
i dont think they want this game to have long game time... there's a lot of people that already complaining that deadlock takes too long for each game.
@@thomasshelby5454 Sounds like non-Moba players, most of my matches are 15-25 minutes which is on the shorter end for most MOBA's
deadlock is an amazing Moba and even better shooter. Ive been in the beta for a while now and I can say that valve choose an awsome time to open up the publishing of videos. had it been just a month ago I think everyone would've gotten stuck on how in complete it looks instead of how good it plays
Yeah and it might be their biggest money maker in the long run cuz they will probably make character skins and weapon skin maybe even battlepass cuz that would be a lot of item plus they will make a big ass championship
I'm personally a big fan of the artstyle. It kind of reminds me of something like DEATHLOOP or Bioshock, or if you want to be generous, this old PS3 game called Counterspy. I think the (for lack of a better descriptor) bond intro esque ui and clunky/dated technology is really well executed.
The game is in early development, so most of the content are placeholders and unfinished. The final game will not look like this; the graphics, animations, and everything else will be improved.
The barrier are not useless, they provide very strong damage bonuses while they are up and are of incredible value per soul. Armor scales better, but have much less value. For characters like Vindicta or Talon they are great, since you want to avoid getting damaged anyway and should be more interested in the damage buffs that come with the barriers.
As a non moba player, I've never played any moba games before, this has been one of my absolute addictions and I truly hope the best will happen with this game.
Ngl Ive been playing league since 2018ish? and this game was such a radical departure from the slow-paced feel of league that I lost like my first 10 games because I wasn't ever farmed up enough on minions. And now I can't stop playing it because the strategy of a moba mixed with the incredibly fast-paced team fights has made a game that I'm enjoying greatly. Very promising game. Except warden, he is absolutely evil.
7:40 the rejuvenator gives your entire team a buff that shortens the amount of time it'll take them to respawn the next time they die, and temporarily makes your minions stronger
doesn't it also speeds up your natural healing as well?
11:20 that's really interesting, bc that hasn't been my experience at all. I thought the laning phase was actually pretty forgiving. You respawn after only about seven or eight seconds, and it's so early into the game, you just can't do that much damage to a guardian in that short amount of time. I've never been in a match where someone dies in lane, and that leads to their opponent taking out their guardian. Maybe it's just whatever MMR I'm playing at.
"No TF2s were hurt in the making of this MOBA."
The project is allegedly IceFrog's baby after all, if anyone has more reason to complain it's DOTA2 fans. Maybe? It's hard to tell, because they're permanently on mute anyway.
ALSO, apparently Valve just hired a bunch of Hopoo Games staff! You know, the DEADBOLT folks! Oh, and RoR of course.
So either Deadlock is getting some extra expert help very soon or that little HLX side project's gets its procedurally generated biomes patched up. Either or. Or AND.
EITHER way, that's pretty exciting.
barriers are incredibly important because they increase your spirit/weapon damage while theyre charged and you can stack them as much as you want !!!!!!!!!
do not diss my girl Paradox like that!!!! (she does need a buff yes)
Fun fact. The highest MMR (match making rating) player in the world and therefore arguably the current best player is a paradox main.
Idk she feels right at the moment.
I never check my Steam notifications, and found out the other day I got invited to play it like 2 weeks ago, still need to check it out for myself. I love the art style, it reminds me a lot of that new show from Genndy Tartakovsky, Unicorn Warriors Eternal, what with the antiquated characters mixed with sci-fi tech/mystical abilities. I'll have to check this one out, though I don't have a ton of experience with MOBAs, here's hoping!
In Dota 2 there is no dedicated jungler. So I don't see it happening to this game
i wouldnt mind more mele focused heroes or very short ranged heroes in the future, Playing pure melee lash was the most fun ive had.
so maybe a hero with a sword, that can only hit a few inches in front
what is yamato
@@Elrealsodapop200 knew someone was going to say that, she uses her sword for one Q attack, that doesnt make her melee and its a ranged attack, still does not qualify as melee at all instead of meleeing with the sword she punches. hardly qualifies anything i want except she has a sword
This game has potential ok it's just their view I need a brutally honest review
Note that while bullet damage *does* do flat scaling abilities dont. You can hold alt and look at your abilities to see what their scaling is. The scaling if the ability scales in the first place is shown as a lable with a purple star (the spirit icon) and a multiplier in the top right corner of the affected stat.
For example Ivy's 2 Watcher's covenant has scaling that is 0.2x times your spirit for it's fire rate buff *and* it's lifesteal buff.
Also a few very specific abilities don't do spirit damage. For example Viscous' 3 puddle punch does melee damage.
@@benshulz4179 21 heroes. Also it's rather important that characters scale differently otherwise you'd have some fucked up consiquences. With Ivy's 2 for example the lifesteal is measured in percentile if it scaled 1 to 1 you could reasonably get over 100% lifesteal *that gets shared with up to 3 allies.* on a 20s cooldown and up for another 20s.
To clarify, it gives other characters the same amount of lifesteal to their hits *and* all healing done by a character in covenant is mirrored to all members of the covenant.
The more frustrating mechanics that Kelvin and Mo/Krill have in their kits are almost entirely nullified by certain items. Debuff Remover means you aren't disarmed any more at the press of a button, Reactive Shield gives you barriers when stunned, etc. It's a shame that none of the default guides ever show you that these items exist.
hmm, I've mostly not been picking up armor to focus on more damage and controlling range. Getting extra stamina and speed is really good. I should definitely consider picking up the armors on characters I actually want to get stuck in with though. Also, it's incredible that you can pick up so much lifesteal in this game, it actually feels really weird to have basically every character healing massive amounts of damage just from killing things
Man it's wild how many people missed Paragon. Deadlock is Paragon by the DotA guys, full stop.
the armor/barrier analysis is wrong, at least on less tanky characters and more bursty type characters (paradox, haze, grandpa). You buy the barriers for the stat bonuses and operate under the assumption of completely avoiding damage only to sneak in and get a big hit. Also with veil walker that can instantly refresh them, they become extremely strong and can be a 50% increase your health pool as they stack. For the smaller barriers think of them more like a delayed heal - items like high velocity give a +80 heal every 60 sec in lane which isn't insignificant.
I still don't quite understand the prohibition/fantasy vibe they've got going, but I do think it's neat.
Edit: Prohibition-punk? Punkhibition?
Fantasy Noir?
it's something like, portals to another realm started opening up in the 1880s and things started getting weird. 50 years later, they're mostly integrated into society, though outer gods seem to be granting wishes of some sort.
Occult Noir
Occult-noir. Like Hellboy or League of extraordinary gentlemen.
I absolutely love how there's a gargoyle character that roams a fictitious New York City.
"Don't get grabbed" is a good reaction to people oversensitive to stuns in my opinion. Don't put yourself in a place where you can get stunned.
Or build reactive barrier...
It is surreal seeing my art in your thumbnail. Also I kinda wish I positpned Bebop lower so you could give the title more room to breathe, but otherwise pretty proud of how this came out.
It's not legue, it's dota, it was made by icefrog, the dota and dota 2 dev.
Mo
Morice
Mole?
I think its pretty clear, but i do get it, his fur should be darker.
Denying in Dota makes sense of you come from RTS background. If not, then yea it probably doesn't.
@@benshulz4179 Well, that's just video game in general. If you're not a gamer, simple mechanic like respawn after dying also doesn't make sense. Or killing innocent creatures in the jungle to steal their gold can be seen as just straight up vile. The same with denying, it's been in RTS since at least Red Alert 2. Even older than that if I'm not mistaken.
Batlleborn is the actual comparison everyone is looking for. It may not have been successful, but it's probably the only game that comes closest to what Deadlock is. Comparing it to League or TF2/Overwatch might be useful when comparing certain aspects of the game, but if we want to say "It's like ____ but _____" then Battleborn is the game to point at. My personal comparison is "It's like Battleborn but with more emphasis on verticality."
Paragon also existed. And exists now in the form of Predecessor.
Deadlock has a better UI than 90% of other games
and my god does a good UI make playing so much nicer/smoother
I need to try this game, this might actually scratch the occasional LoL itch that i've been fighting off since 2018 without actually playing LoL
Do you know the game Mars Tactics ? I think you should make a video about couse it would be just up your alley
Comparing it to league when dota is where multiple mechanics come from makes me sad
unironically i came for your profile pic (love to see another they/them out in the wild) and stayed cause you have a really nice voice, so if they actually put you in the game that would be awesome
I think “the little guy” and “the big guy” are kind of a mouthful when they could be called “top” and “bottom”
Nice video I'm looking forward to this game finishing.
Another exception is things like mystic shot and tesla bullets they both give ur gun some spirit damage.
Good video but I disagree that geist is op because of her gun cos dynamo just blows that out the water lol, if anything he's op once u finish lane and get 3 or 4 attack items u are literally a god ganker
Also kelvin and Moe and krill do more than just cc imo especially with kelvin with his skill 1 being insane for poke and his ult being extremely versatile not just as cc but basically also an invuln for his whole team. In terms is MAK I agree his design is a bit underwhelming now especially in regards to the duo character thing but imo his cc isn't even that oppressive like disarm is relatively ok like it's not even a hard stun and u can still use ur skills, so spirit based skill characters can kinda shrug it off. And his ult isn't that bullshit either imo since u have to be 1cm away from someone to use it and u are extremely vulnerable while casting it. Comparing it to some of the other stuns like from lash I think it's really not that horrible
On the point about Shiv's ult, I haven't played him yet, but it sounds like Vindicta's. She has a mechanic where her ult shots do more damage to people under 50% HP and they glow red to show they're under the threshold. So I wouldn't say it's a super new thing for them to do.
the main difference is that shiv is an execute whereas vindicta's is just bonus damage, probably should have made this more clear in the video but it has to get finished eventually
@@cassius_scrungoman vindicta does a thing where the target gets a red outline if the target is able to die to a full charged ult
viscous goo punch ability is already based off of melee/weapon damage
Great video, i liked almost all of it, except the lining face being longer, one thing i hate about mobas is the 10 to 15 mins last hitting minions, in my opinions tem fight are the bread and butter of team based games, lol, overwatch, dota, etc. the fun part of all those games, is the team fights, so the sooner the better, at least for me.
Again, great video.
I can definitely agree with the Mo and Krill criticisms, and I play him a LOT. Also as for who's who, voice lines from the little guy (Krill) call the big guy "Maurice" (unless he's calling him Mole-rice which would be funny), and even the shopkeeper says something like, "Mo you beautiful mole b****ard, give me a hug." But I like Krill, he shoots, but he's also what actually holds the enemy in place for the ultimate, as his gun turns into a little taser thing (edit: also his voice lines are pretty fun with the abilities sometimes). If anything visual needs changing, keep Mo the same and change Krill's looks, because yeah idk what he's supposed to be, but I like that sort of idea of having the tag team duo. I also love the look of a big mole with the newsboy cap that covers his eyes (maybe going along with the idea of eyes on a mole being difficult to see irl)
Man, i loved gigantic, still so sad over it.
Gigantic is alive right now.
Yeah, i can't believe valve did the impossible, they got me hooked into a MOBA
Boss buff halves respawn time
i have to agree with mo and krill, i genuinely don't like going against as his ability's sorta just run up to "you can't play the game now" no firing your weapon, getting stunned and them hiding underground just usually leads to me slightly back pedaling when i see him or him just flying out of nowhere and destroying me while i don't really have any control. Honestly besides them i like the cast of characters, some need work (games straight up not done) but i think it's a good start
glad to see people who have not been graced by dota's design get into deadlock.
I think the base guardians should be just a single buffer looking guardian with 2 staffs.
0:42 there’s some gameplay of citadel, yoshi posted it. But it was very early along, you played as nick and shot ant lions with an AK.
I absolutely love the way this game looks
Glad you are loving it, but I disagree with a lot of your takes on balancing.
been playing the game for 40 hours a couple weeks before the game went out of private invites and only learned about being able to slam down by double tapping ctrl in air.
wait what
hol up excuse me
Valve stole Gigantic Corpse from Gearbox and nos they will make he LIVE AGAIN!
Absolutely in love with the game so far
i'm still hoping to see how the lore of this game will be, since Valve has a great history with fun deep and good stories to games...
also it's the only i can engage with the game due to having a potato por a pc
Yo homie just a tip but laning is usually the first 10 min. since souls are shared instead of split. Dont duo lane after 10 min. And double your souls per minute.
as a piece of shit, nothing brings me more satisfaction than doing phantom strike into combo on mo&krill and having an opposing player tell me to off myself
I see people comparing this to League of Legends a lot but it's literally just Dota 2. From the design philosophy, the characters, the items, the mechanics,... everything is very Dota 2. You can almost smell IceFrog in this game.
I think deadlock is more on the dota 2 side than league. It has a creep denying mechanic, no jungler, physical dmg and magical damage (unlike pike with some armor penetration scaling like u said) , sideshops, and the guardians hits are tankable
I like it but it always feels like my gun shoots tampons and my abilities utilize pool noodles meanwhile my enemies are on steroids and armed with shotguns and sledgehammers.
Could the problem be your items? People tend to default to some specific weapon and vitality items, but some others, especially in the soul category are enormous.
Veil walker, soul burst, boundless soul, ext.
"crowd control doesnt bother me" (followed by 20 mins straight of mo krill and swains nanny gameplay). yeah no shit hahah
I have played two games of Mo and Krill
there are maybe twenty seconds of footage of them in this video
and most of that is on the training range
risk of rain dev are now working with valve
Cool game. Can’t wait to play it.
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woah why's your voice so cool?
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I just hope the RoR2 devs are put on this so HL3 is released sooner rather than later
I just cant get with it, it feels like an amalgamation of the "greatest hits" of both Hero Shooters and MOBAs, while also being lass than the sum of its parts. Valve is known for changing the industry, not following trends, which makes this game stick out of their lineup like a sore thumb for me.
7:27 holy shit, you can do that?!?
I will never let you say it’s ok for tf2 to die for this 😭😭😭They gotta remaster and port that game to source 2. It’s still the best hero shooter ever made period.
Cassius, what is your overall take on Dota? Have you made an offical statement about it somewhere?
HEY IM A MO AND KRILL PLAYER! hes actually really fun to play and is a melee fighter and disarm might suck if you only put shit in range but realistically, the damage of your abilities and melee just thanks to a dps's weapon damage boosts should mean that you can still smack the shit outta of mo and krill and really it shouldnt be the end of the world unless your out of position or in a losing teamfight. sounds like someones just salty about some CC ;D as for kelvin i have nothing to say as vindicta pissess me off for the same WAYYY to over the top strong mobility that makes her untouchable to melee fighters and even ranged fighters sometimes if the vindicta knows what shes doing.
I think denying creeps makes a lot of sense and isn't gamey at all.
They're the front line, the soldiers. In human history how many times have generals sent a bunch of young men to throw their lives away for a advantage in the war as a whole? Real human beings have been "denied" by their superiors.
Anyway great vid !
@@benshulz4179 it's about sacrificing your resources to delay the enemy
Seven is love
Seven is life
that is all
Its really 3D Dota, the developers are Dota developers.
when it comes to mo and krill, the little guy krill does all the talking so it is a bit odd mo does all the... everything else.
What it is? Amazing
Yet another video making me sad I can't run deadlock
I left my first game, but then tried the game again and it's kind of meh? It got stale really quickly for me and the npc killing part felt incredibly tedious, especially considering there are no characters with some sort of flamethrower or bazooka, so you spend relatively a lot of time finishing them off one by one. I wish they would remove the entirety of crowd control and instead add more offensive perks too. But maybe I haven't learned about the perks that deal with crowd control.
Also this is stupid, but despite it being a brand new valve game I feel like I'm entering dota 2 community with all of the awful people in vc and chat. I haven't played dota myself but I imagine this is what their community is like, so the biggest turn off is probably the associations I've made because of the genre which might be unfair.
i played it for 1.5 hours, i just didnt have fun with it
As someone who has played the Moba genre since Reign of Chaos, I am exhausted by it, and while I'm sure there's innovations here and there, this still all blurs together in my head.
FPS is typically a genre that requires skill to determine an outcome, hero shooters muddy that with abilities and mobas muddy it with items. Best of luck to Valve but I've got 0 interest.
I play dl.
Its fun, definitely something new. I never played mobas.
Mo and krill are week and strong at the same time.
Aw........I love Pyke
"TF2 might have died for this and honestly....I'm okay with that"
Traitor. TRAITOR!!
I'd say the closest game to Deadlock is Smite, not LoL.
I wish my potato could run the game at all...
bro is trying to make it play more like lol
i dont like deadlock. it makes me very upset. i cant particularly quantify it. the matches were excessively long. there were many moments where i was doing literally no damage and died from one or two attacks, and then other moments where i was barely trying and utterly eviscerating people. maybe i have to play it more, but i have played enough moba games to have a sense of the undeliable minutiae contributing to me being in a good mood or a bad mood, and deadlock was definitely not putting me in a good mood.
THIS GAME IS LIKE DOTA ITS LIKE, DOTA NOT LEAGUE, YOU ****
I honestly don't think so, deadlock doesn't have some of the insane macro bullshit that's in dota with minion manipulation, and that is a *huge* part of dota.
@@cassius_scrungoman thanks for reading my comment, it was a joke based on some small meme i saw some time ago didint intend for this to be taken seriously sorry :/
@@JEFC-rg5di oh okay
most UA-cam comments are genuinely on this level so I assumed it was
thanks for clarifying :>
@@cassius_scrungoman :3
what if you can upgrade a guardian in game with monnyz
that would be pretty cool
Obviously its not like overwatch at all
its like battleborn!
Bro why on your preview is writing DeadCock???
I love this game
i am not ok if TF2 dies for this!
My issue with the amount of CC is that there's no real hard counter to it unlike in say Smite, which has an activated item that nullifies and clears it aswell as some heroes ultimates getting it, so in Deadlock if you're fighting a CC heavy team they are at a huge advantage, just today I had this issue that after we moved into teamfight phase there was just, nothing we could do in any given teamfight because you would just get stunlocked to death by any of the 6 people as they all had stuns. I'm fine with CC but the only counter right now is silencing items, which have to be preemptively used.
Some abilities are also just wack, Mo & Krill have to use an Ult to stun 1 single person, while others like Ivy, Abrams, Seven, Dynamo have hard stuns/knockups on their basic abilities from level 1. Abilities all around are inconsistently balanced.
Try to read the item "Unstoppable"
Unstoppable, debuff remover or debuff reducer, and active barrier are all good to keep on hand. Also try some suppression items for good preemptive counterplay!
@@Monte_Carlo451 Unstoppable is a Tier 4 item, ie one you usually dont usually get untill late, leaving you without crucial items if you save for it early, unless you're already snowballing.
@@Cruddyhorse that's why you got debuff remover and reducer to play around the item (but dont fully depend on it) until you got an unstoppable. In late game, it makes unstoppable very crucial since most heroes are online at that part. That's where decision making comes in, do you want damage/crucial item first or do you want to survive a team fight?
Remember, you cant kill if you are dead. What do you main anyway?
4:55 Denying in Dota does have a sense, Power spikes in Dota come in different form and one of them is the level power spike.
Let's say you"re laning against a Hero that has a power spike at lvl 6, you should try to deny as much as possible to stall their power spike while you can secure your lane before they hit it because the importance of denies in dota is not to prevent the enemy from gertting gold as much as to minimize their XP gain since when you deny your creep, the enemy gets only 50% of the XP.
it's also a way to control the creep equilibrium in some cases.
As I typed this I realized what you meant by "game-y", but I'd use the word "nerdy" lol
@@benshulz4179 ok but.... denies in Dota do not give money tho. It does not give anything to the one denying, it just prevents money and minimizes EXP that's all
I HATE MCGINNIS
Good video but a bit all over the place
it sucks that the hot hunky blue demon is a cop