Lower Decks actually lights their ships evenly and brightly so we can see all the details! The live action ships now all have dim ambient lighting reflecting dimly off of dark metallic hull panels. I could barely make out anything when they did that indulgent close up fly by if the new Stargazer. There's no contrast when you have a dark gray ship against a black space background!
Personally this is my head cannon designs: NX Era was the time where there was experimentation in design and the wild west of design. Ships were utilitarian and minimum. They mainly adopted some Vulcan style technology that they could. Pre-TOS/Disco Era was an era of peace and no war. They were over the Romulan War, and they adapted design styles from Andorian, and we saw all the weird hull designs in Discovery. They also started to adopt more cutout. TOS: The ships of this era survived the Klingon war, and the prior era of ships performed poorly against the Klingons. So most of the ships of these era have mass produced hulls to help build back the fleet. They started eliminating the cutouts for improved structural reasons. The Movie Era: They started to aggressively modernize their existing fleet, and in doing so decided to commission a lot of ships with interchangeable parts. They also started seeing more Klingons and Romulans in conflict with them, so they needed a lot of ships that is mass produced in hull type. Lost Era: minimum changes in style of ship design. They kept a lot of the Movie Era ships, but experimented on a larger hull ships for exploration like the Ambassador class as they didn't have a major nemesis. TNG Era: In this era, after a few decades of peace, they focused on building bigger explorer type ships like the Galaxy class and the Nebula Class. These where class that can function like stations, and allow for crews to not burn out on long exploration missions. DS9 Era: This is the time after the Borg, and they realized that their fleet with common hull type would not be able to combat the Borg as they were decimated during Wolf 359, and they started to go back to adopting different hull designs, higher maneuverable ships, and more mission specific ships. Lower Decks: It's now a peaceful time. Only big nemesis was paclets, so they started updating hull designs for a new era after so many ships were lost in the Dominion War. They applied new hull schemes from the Sovereign era ships and applied what they learned to Excelsior style designs. Picard Era: Early in this era, they needed to mass produce ships to rebuild the loss capacity from the destruction of the Utopia Fleet Yards around mars. The starfleet of this era also got really big and they wanted to focus more on Starfleet than the rest of the galaxy. So they focused on fast ships that's easy deplorable for internal conflicts, while exploratory ships remain out. Then, Starfleet started to have a bit of nostalgia and they started to revisit designs from past eras and updating them for more mission specific duties.
Hey Sam. Considering the Connie shenanigans... while they did 'up scale' it there is an Easter Egg from a behind-the-scenes video of S2E1 "Brother" of Discovery shows stats and dimensions. This same Easter Egg can be found in part at the beginning of the same episode right after Tilly suggests using morse code, the screen behind Stamets shows the right half of the image giving the nacelle measurements. Though the length dimension at this time is not identifiable in the behind-the-scenes image the other dimensions of the nacelle, secondary hull and saucer allow a guesstimate length of 290m (951ft) to 300m (984ft), well within the range of continuity and canon. So... while they SAY they upscaled it...and the Disc/SNW connie has swept nacelle pylons... what was actually put on screen is the legit numbers so they shot themselves in their own foot and made canon numbers that make more sense.
10:50 most of these things, hull texturing included, can be eased in as the Enterprise is due at least one refit before it passes to Jim Kirk. There's even several ways you can get to the new 'unified hull grey' of classic starfleet, and show off a few ships that got the refit sooner than the E as we go forward in the show.
What I find great about the new Galileo shuttle are the the nacelles being connected via thick struts to the engine block in the back instead of just dangling of to the side.
My one disappointment with the 32nd century ship line was the inconsistent design motif. There are 10 unique forms that share few attributes - with how limited the Federation is supposed to be during Disco S3, each ship is hyper specialized? 3-4 ship shapes (with logical variations) would have seemed more grounded.
It should be taken into account that the genesis of the Discoprise is John Eaves' proposed design of the NX-01 (hence all the bits that made it into the final design).
At least the final design of La Sirena has the runabout nose shape, the other concepts look like Gradius fighters. The Inquiry would have been more impressive if they had 3 or 4 of them or even just the Zheng He being so powerful it swats handfulls of ships out of space and they all fled. Love the Galileo, it looks like a robust upgrade to the ones you see at San Francisco in the movies. Part of that design etymology. I always thought it would be fine for Discovery to be huge compared to the regular fleet since it's basically a mobile space research station. Upscaling Enterprise was unecessary. I like the 32nd century fleet ships with the discs in the design and the new Stargazer is great. I liked the Stargazer class from Star Trek Online and this one is the "movie version" of what I thought it should be. A few I also liked are the Disco D7 and the Hoover class, Romulan "snakehead" and the tug they had at Mars during the attack. Wallenburg class I think.
+12:46 say isn't that the same one that is sitting next to that donut shaped building that gets destroyed in the Star Trek Picard Season 3 Teaser Trailer ?
"Prime Timeline" is a very convoluted and contridictory term. As best as I can recall it did exist as a general fan term used infrequently and maybe may have been used to distinguish the TOS timeline from the Voyager Timeline (as those don't fit - like at all). But now it has an "actual" meaning which bad Robot gave it and this is where it gets controversial as their version of that term has absolutely nothing to do with TV Star Trek (aside from some slight of hand trickery with a cast photo trying to imply otherwise) So so called "Old Man Spock" and indeed the entire Modern era of Star Trek may be reasonably be seen to be related things it's not unreasonable to presume that Old Man Spock is the same one Old Man Picard had previously met. The problem with that is that if Old Man Spock isn't well "Spock" that creates as a cascade effect Picard isn't Picard (even before he was a robot duplicate of someone who's dead) & Ethan Peck Spock clearly isn't Spock as nothing he says or does remotely fits in (lets call it Canon) so really we have "Prime Trek" which is Old Man Spock and Strange New Worlds that just doesn't match. The problem is that they keep trying to square the circle and all of this just goes away if they own up to everything existing differently as a consequence of Burham not dying in Childhood and Gabriel Burnham (sp) messing with the timeline. They even say as much repeatedly that the "original timeline" has Control wide spread and slow to evolve resulting in an pretty much galactic wide Genocide. But when Burnham lived the timeline changed and the future still existed in a populated Galaxy in the 25th Century - though one could argue that Control even if they had existed would have been inconvenience by the Burn too. So I don't really mind even if it does require some bonkers logically chains that says Star Trek 2009 Spock only exists due to Burnham not being dead. Old Man Spock had a Sister - Mr. Spock in TOS may either had a foster sibling who didn't last a year or may have never even met her as she was killed when her Parents were. I think they could revisit this some more too as Section 31 was supposed to have given her that suit - suggesting she just randomly died in he basic timeline originally. as she'd not been recruited or maybe she wasn't even there anyway and so they just lived normally.. and weirdly if they all lived then saving Michael would kill her progeny. We also get the impression that in the basic timeline Romulus isn't destroyed and there was no Klingon War of significance *due to what DS9 says* But the timeline has been mucked about with so many time it's kinda unreal. I'd say it's kinda fluid really & in a constant state of flux almost like the Temporal Cold War never ended.
15:29 Really?? An each season the show and designs got worse and worse. I don't like the Discovery design but I DO love the other starships in the pre Kirk era of Star Trek: Discovery.
I’m sorry, but I don’t like the straight struts on the original Enterprise and much prefer the swept back struts on the NX-01, SNW, & TMP Enterprises. The straight struts to me are the most dated part of the original design in my opinion.
Evolution? If so it is a like a swans evolving into slugs. My biggest gripe with Nu-Trek ships. - they (the ships) look cheap and poorly rendered. - they are dreadfully lit. You can barely make them out half the time. - the backgrounds and foregrounds are far too cluttered and distracting. With all the nebulas, asteroids, lens flares, debris it’s like watching the screen through a bowl of minestrone soup. - There are too many ships on screen at one time. If ‘Wrath of Khan’ had had 100 Miranda class vessels it wouldn’t have been 100 times more exciting. It would have just been silly. - Star Wars style gigantism… the scale of the original ships had a realism. Too be honest the Enterprise D was probably a tad too big. But they had comprehensible sizes. - over design. Things seem to be added because they look cool. Not because they have any internal logic. Like having your bridge in the same room as your cargo bay. - the interiors: frankly have all the issues with exteriors. Badly lit, over designed, gigantism, and lacking that realistic feel.
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Lower Decks has the best ship designs in all of new Trek in my opinion.
Definitely, they all fit in the timeline without the "refresh" excuse.
100% true.
A ship actually felt like you can lived in, meanwhile ships with shiny floor and wall that almost like the office lobbies.
Lower Decks actually lights their ships evenly and brightly so we can see all the details! The live action ships now all have dim ambient lighting reflecting dimly off of dark metallic hull panels. I could barely make out anything when they did that indulgent close up fly by if the new Stargazer. There's no contrast when you have a dark gray ship against a black space background!
Absolutely. 100% & by a country mile.
They are the only Trek thing since Enterprise to pay any heed to the established visual cannon.
Personally this is my head cannon designs:
NX Era was the time where there was experimentation in design and the wild west of design. Ships were utilitarian and minimum. They mainly adopted some Vulcan style technology that they could.
Pre-TOS/Disco Era was an era of peace and no war. They were over the Romulan War, and they adapted design styles from Andorian, and we saw all the weird hull designs in Discovery. They also started to adopt more cutout.
TOS: The ships of this era survived the Klingon war, and the prior era of ships performed poorly against the Klingons. So most of the ships of these era have mass produced hulls to help build back the fleet. They started eliminating the cutouts for improved structural reasons.
The Movie Era: They started to aggressively modernize their existing fleet, and in doing so decided to commission a lot of ships with interchangeable parts. They also started seeing more Klingons and Romulans in conflict with them, so they needed a lot of ships that is mass produced in hull type.
Lost Era: minimum changes in style of ship design. They kept a lot of the Movie Era ships, but experimented on a larger hull ships for exploration like the Ambassador class as they didn't have a major nemesis.
TNG Era: In this era, after a few decades of peace, they focused on building bigger explorer type ships like the Galaxy class and the Nebula Class. These where class that can function like stations, and allow for crews to not burn out on long exploration missions.
DS9 Era: This is the time after the Borg, and they realized that their fleet with common hull type would not be able to combat the Borg as they were decimated during Wolf 359, and they started to go back to adopting different hull designs, higher maneuverable ships, and more mission specific ships.
Lower Decks: It's now a peaceful time. Only big nemesis was paclets, so they started updating hull designs for a new era after so many ships were lost in the Dominion War. They applied new hull schemes from the Sovereign era ships and applied what they learned to Excelsior style designs.
Picard Era: Early in this era, they needed to mass produce ships to rebuild the loss capacity from the destruction of the Utopia Fleet Yards around mars. The starfleet of this era also got really big and they wanted to focus more on Starfleet than the rest of the galaxy. So they focused on fast ships that's easy deplorable for internal conflicts, while exploratory ships remain out. Then, Starfleet started to have a bit of nostalgia and they started to revisit designs from past eras and updating them for more mission specific duties.
Hey Sam. Considering the Connie shenanigans... while they did 'up scale' it there is an Easter Egg from a behind-the-scenes video of S2E1 "Brother" of Discovery shows stats and dimensions. This same Easter Egg can be found in part at the beginning of the same episode right after Tilly suggests using morse code, the screen behind Stamets shows the right half of the image giving the nacelle measurements. Though the length dimension at this time is not identifiable in the behind-the-scenes image the other dimensions of the nacelle, secondary hull and saucer allow a guesstimate length of 290m (951ft) to 300m (984ft), well within the range of continuity and canon. So... while they SAY they upscaled it...and the Disc/SNW connie has swept nacelle pylons... what was actually put on screen is the legit numbers so they shot themselves in their own foot and made canon numbers that make more sense.
Discovery Enterprise is awesome, I have a large model of it.
I'll say this for it; the Inquiry class finally made me realise I've grown tired of every Starfleet ship looking like a garden trowel.
I put all the negative space in 31st century ships down to them being 4th dimensional.
10:50
most of these things, hull texturing included, can be eased in as the Enterprise is due at least one refit before it passes to Jim Kirk. There's even several ways you can get to the new 'unified hull grey' of classic starfleet, and show off a few ships that got the refit sooner than the E as we go forward in the show.
What I find great about the new Galileo shuttle are the the nacelles being connected via thick struts to the engine block in the back instead of just dangling of to the side.
To be honest, I wish there'll be a new Star Trek show about the new Stargazer. I like to see more of that ship.
My one disappointment with the 32nd century ship line was the inconsistent design motif. There are 10 unique forms that share few attributes - with how limited the Federation is supposed to be during Disco S3, each ship is hyper specialized? 3-4 ship shapes (with logical variations) would have seemed more grounded.
It should be taken into account that the genesis of the Discoprise is John Eaves' proposed design of the NX-01 (hence all the bits that made it into the final design).
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely and well done indeed guys 👌.
"It's missing all the things a ship should have"
They don't get installed until Tuesday
The new Enterprise is a perfect refinement of the original. I love it, it just looks better.
the original neck always looked wrong with its tapering
At least the final design of La Sirena has the runabout nose shape, the other concepts look like Gradius fighters. The Inquiry would have been more impressive if they had 3 or 4 of them or even just the Zheng He being so powerful it swats handfulls of ships out of space and they all fled. Love the Galileo, it looks like a robust upgrade to the ones you see at San Francisco in the movies. Part of that design etymology. I always thought it would be fine for Discovery to be huge compared to the regular fleet since it's basically a mobile space research station. Upscaling Enterprise was unecessary. I like the 32nd century fleet ships with the discs in the design and the new Stargazer is great. I liked the Stargazer class from Star Trek Online and this one is the "movie version" of what I thought it should be. A few I also liked are the Disco D7 and the Hoover class, Romulan "snakehead" and the tug they had at Mars during the attack. Wallenburg class I think.
Once again Nubela class is the de-best looking design!
Uninspired is an understatement, some of those Romulan ships just looked like airplanes.
The only ship I really like is the SNW Enterprise ... but nothing compares to the original 1701🖖🏾
Have you guys addressed the future of Eaglemoss / 1701D's build up yet?
We have not :)
Hoping to soon as we learn more about whats happening
Nothing with detached nacelles looks good.
+12:46 say isn't that the same one that is sitting next to that donut shaped building that gets destroyed in the Star Trek Picard Season 3 Teaser Trailer ?
I recently got a book called Star Trek Discovery designing starships every ship from Discovery season 1 eaglemoss hero collector. New £5.99 zavvi.
Yep! All the designing books are well worth it?
"Prime Timeline" is a very convoluted and contridictory term.
As best as I can recall it did exist as a general fan term used infrequently and maybe may have been used to distinguish the TOS timeline from the Voyager Timeline (as those don't fit - like at all).
But now it has an "actual" meaning which bad Robot gave it and this is where it gets controversial as their version of that term has absolutely nothing to do with TV Star Trek (aside from some slight of hand trickery with a cast photo trying to imply otherwise) So so called "Old Man Spock" and indeed the entire Modern era of Star Trek may be reasonably be seen to be related things it's not unreasonable to presume that Old Man Spock is the same one Old Man Picard had previously met.
The problem with that is that if Old Man Spock isn't well "Spock" that creates as a cascade effect Picard isn't Picard (even before he was a robot duplicate of someone who's dead) & Ethan Peck Spock clearly isn't Spock as nothing he says or does remotely fits in (lets call it Canon) so really we have "Prime Trek" which is Old Man Spock and Strange New Worlds that just doesn't match.
The problem is that they keep trying to square the circle and all of this just goes away if they own up to everything existing differently as a consequence of Burham not dying in Childhood and Gabriel Burnham (sp) messing with the timeline.
They even say as much repeatedly that the "original timeline" has Control wide spread and slow to evolve resulting in an pretty much galactic wide Genocide. But when Burnham lived the timeline changed and the future still existed in a populated Galaxy in the 25th Century - though one could argue that Control even if they had existed would have been inconvenience by the Burn too.
So I don't really mind even if it does require some bonkers logically chains that says Star Trek 2009 Spock only exists due to Burnham not being dead. Old Man Spock had a Sister - Mr. Spock in TOS may either had a foster sibling who didn't last a year or may have never even met her as she was killed when her Parents were.
I think they could revisit this some more too as Section 31 was supposed to have given her that suit - suggesting she just randomly died in he basic timeline originally. as she'd not been recruited or maybe she wasn't even there anyway and so they just lived normally.. and weirdly if they all lived then saving Michael would kill her progeny.
We also get the impression that in the basic timeline Romulus isn't destroyed and there was no Klingon War of significance *due to what DS9 says*
But the timeline has been mucked about with so many time it's kinda unreal. I'd say it's kinda fluid really & in a constant state of flux almost like the Temporal Cold War never ended.
Star trek online..?
Trek Yard, the Fandom Menace
We don't deal with the Fandom Menace :) We just want to talk about ship/tech designs.
It also Trekyards* one word with a S at the end :D
15:29 Really?? An each season the show and designs got worse and worse. I don't like the Discovery design but I DO love the other starships in the pre Kirk era of Star Trek: Discovery.
I’m sorry, but I don’t like the straight struts on the original Enterprise and much prefer the swept back struts on the NX-01, SNW, & TMP Enterprises. The straight struts to me are the most dated part of the original design in my opinion.
Evolution?
If so it is a like a swans evolving into slugs.
My biggest gripe with Nu-Trek ships.
- they (the ships) look cheap and poorly rendered.
- they are dreadfully lit. You can barely make them out half the time.
- the backgrounds and foregrounds are far too cluttered and distracting. With all the nebulas, asteroids, lens flares, debris it’s like watching the screen through a bowl of minestrone soup.
- There are too many ships on screen at one time. If ‘Wrath of Khan’ had had 100 Miranda class vessels it wouldn’t have been 100 times more exciting. It would have just been silly.
- Star Wars style gigantism… the scale of the original ships had a realism. Too be honest the Enterprise D was probably a tad too big. But they had comprehensible sizes.
- over design. Things seem to be added because they look cool. Not because they have any internal logic. Like having your bridge in the same room as your cargo bay.
- the interiors: frankly have all the issues with exteriors. Badly lit, over designed, gigantism, and lacking that realistic feel.
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Hi Ryan!
SNW and LD are very good, but Disco and Pic belong in the cosmic dumpster.