This is soo fxckin good. And why aren't there more likes & comments because this is such a magnificently beautiful 💙 & gorgeously made video! I love it! 💙✨💛Byler is soo ENDGAME!! 💙✨💛
This is JMHO but I think Byler has been building up since season 1 not Mileven. There's so many subtexts, hidden details, subtle hints and clues that actually points to Mike having romantic feelings for Will. Check out some Byler analysis videos ( including this one too ). I mean it ranges from Mike's behavior, stuff in his bedroom, the clothes he wears, even his playlist which the show gives him, but in the show for me at least has Mike being more interested in Will then the other way around. And Will was confirmed to be gay and in love with Mike after season 4. Mike has internalized homophobia which in season 1 both Lucas and later Nancy made him feel like he had to like girls because he kept one in his basement mainly to keep her safe from the bad men and because she knew about Will. Then his dad has indicated that being " gay " was wrong. In the first episode when his dad said " you see Michael, you see what happens ...... " thinking Will was "killed " in a hate crime because later when Troy and James bully Mike, just Mike not Lucas not Dustin, only Mike to bully him about Will being gay and that Troys dad even thinks Will was killed by another gay person. Then Troy deliberately trips Mike. Then at the school when Troy and James were laughing at the memorial Mike confronts them, which at that point Mike literally pushed Troy down. Then his dad again says to Connie Frazier " our son with a girl? " It's all subtext. And that's only a fraction of what happens in season 1 that hints that Mike has feelings for Will. He literally sobbed biking home and hugging Karen after yelling at El when they pulled that dummy out of the lake. Caressing Will's drawings he keeps in a binder. And isn't it strange that when Mike lies to El in the monologue during season 4 when even she knows he's lying about " his life started the day he met her " when that isn't what happened at all if we go back to episode 2 " The Weirdo On Maple Street " of season 1. Sorry so long just wanted to point out that I really believe Byler has been building up since season 1.
@pllandstfan I don't think you understand Mileven that much tbh. Mike missed will because they were apart of a friend group. Not only mike dude. Dustin and Lucas missed him too. It's giving you wanna excuse Lucas and Dustin for a ship that isn't gonna happen to happen. Also Troy and the other dude bullying mike has nothing to do with mike being gay? He wasn't the only one being bullied there. Troy was also talking to Dustin and Lucas. Don't excuse true facts just to make a ship you like happen. Now it's my turn to tell you why Mike loves eleven and not will. You do realize eleven was the first girl that liked him, didn't judge him at all, and made him feel the way he feels right now. Why would the duffer brothers kill off a great relationship that mileven has build up for the past 4 seasons for byler? That would be dumb and stupid to mileven fans and smart stranger things fan. They been through a lot more than byler whole relationship together. Mike kept eleven because he felted bad for her and he was wondering what happened to her. The way you said "our son with a girl?" Please explain how that makes him gay? In the show we realize that their like a weird group and nobody hangs out with them. Plus he has never interact with a girl that likes him unlike eleven. Also do realize that mike was crying for eleven too when the demogorgon took her? Your acting like he only cares for will and nobody else. He was gonna jump off a cliff for Dustin. We may as well start shipping mike and dustin. Right? You're saying just because will is gay and he's in love with mike means mike gay? No-one forcing him to like girls. He just likes girls which I'm pointing to is eleven. You saying mike lied in the monologe is insane because it was never confirmed to be a lie. Yet y'all byler fans would come up with anything just to make a fan ship come to live am I right or wrong rn? The part where you bring up mike confronts troy and his friends for laughing at Will. I mean a real friend would've done that either way. That shows that mike is a really good FRIEND. You saying that's a hint is diabolical lmao. If you mean that's a hint of him being a great friend I completely agree. I feel completely sorry for you but ship what you want. I'm just showing you that mileven is such a great couple and is better than byler in my opinion. Also you may say that's your opinion but not all opinions are good to share lmao. Please since your advising the commenter to watch a byler analysis go watch some mileven videos and analysis. Alrighty!
@@pllandstfan usually if two characters get in a relationship it’ll be in prior seasons so that they can film the typical scenes like dates fights break ups etc, but most importantly give them more screen time together. If you ask me, they wouldn’t make byler happen in the last season because there’s just no point.
@@prettynames-her EDIT: I apologize for this essay of a comment, and I hope it’s not rude I’m just putting my thoughts out there, you don’t have to believe what I say or anything! I can’t really say his speech confirmed his love for el… I mean you can think what you want, I believe in all opinions as right until proven otherwise, but I feel like he felt like he had to say that to save her and everyone else. Otherwise, why add the superhero part? He knows el doesn’t like that, at least I think. And he’s also using wills words for the most part… not really his own. (From the van scene) Even after the “I love you” eleven so desperately wanted, she ignored him completely- as if she knew it was a lie. It didn’t affect her in the slightest when she heard it either. She broke out because of max, because her best friend was hurt. And, even if it doesn’t happen(byler)- the brothers and clothes designers have said that they include very specific details that explain and foreshadow- here’s two examples: A triangle to represent lbgtq+ representation (the clothing designer talked about using it in Robin and other queer characters to show the rep) on mikes shirt- over his heart. And for some reason, Will is ALWAYS, almost every single time, in the direction that point is turned to. (This is just a byler theory though, the next is what I’m actually talking about. You don’t have to ship anything you don’t want to!) at the end the flowers that compare to Milevens relationship that Mike gave el we’re wilted, showing the end of their relationship in a metaphor. But el, instead of being sad, is determined. And she didn’t listen, talk, or even look at Mike after the ‘I love you’ that she so desperately wanted. I feel like she’s ready to be independent. Her own person- a strong, independent woman who can fight on her own with or without a partner, with or without her powers. So I don’t think she’ll be heartbroken. I theorize that she’s more on the open side of breaking up, as she sees that their relationship isn’t going anywhere but down. And behind them? Two canon ships and… byler. Right behind El, who picks up the flowers determinedly. Though I thoroughly believe byler will be canon, and there have been many hints from actors, details, and even the directors, they might not end up together- and that’s perfectly fine, but I don’t think mileven is endgame either. As I’ve said in one of these videos, mileven is very often compared to Romeo and Juliet- two whose relationship was doomed to end, doomed from the start. And what started it? [love at first sight] which is what Mike says in that very speech- but did he really? Because he wanted to kick her out from the start- until he learned she knew about Will. THEN the romance blossomed. But young love dies, it doesn’t work out. It hasn’t seemed to be in their case for a LONG time, without fighting. - also, he said “his life started the day he met her in the woods” but he was in a mess, didn’t care for her at the slightest. The first thing he said was “that’s not will” and continued to not want her around until she showed that she recognized will. And, he already basically used that line on Will. “The best thing that ever happened to me” - that’s what he said to Will, about meeting Will and deciding to be friends with him- no, having Will say “yes” to being friends, is what “was the best thing that happened to him” He also says “When I stumbled on her in the woods, she just needed someone, and it's not fate, it's not destiny.” In the van scene with only Will, and he, in his monologue, suddenly changed it to “my life started when I found you in the woods”???? So he was lying about that, using wills words as well, but the “I love you” was true? I don’t know. While it may have been, if everything else was a lie or someone else’s words, and he refers to her as a superhero, as HIS superhero, not a person, her OWN person, was it really the truth..? Anyway, that was just copied and pasted from a pst convo, so I can’t tell if it makes much sense for the comment, but I do know that their relationship doesn’t seem to be building up. Rather, it seems to get worse and worse. While Mileven can’t communicate for the slightest, Mike can easily run to Will and explain that he knew he was wrong, doesn’t shift the blame, and he lets him know that he apologizes for being an asshole. With el though? He shifts the blame to her, rarely apologizes, and uses others words- signifying that his love for her is fake. He was practically forced into the relationship with her by friends and social norms. And while I personally ship both, I don’t think either would really work out. Anyway I’ll definitely check out some mileven analysis but here’s a few that shows more of what I was saying: Video examples: ua-cam.com/video/ur1wV8UOoU8/v-deo.htmlsi=IrLIQpIesbI0Y73Y ua-cam.com/video/xvWKorLF9Jo/v-deo.htmlsi=LU3QQj4ifTD6C3Gf ua-cam.com/video/xLwf_agFm1E/v-deo.htmlsi=dFRfQCAuKuwqyMop ua-cam.com/video/4y3hilMjgys/v-deo.htmlsi=UTIDJRb52RmvKC8f ua-cam.com/video/F0gwmeyNbxg/v-deo.htmlsi=xdBo87Dp4jDvG-fr
I mean it’s supposed to be 8 movie-episodes. Like a season of movies, with that much time, it could further use the evidence they’ve given us in the past that Mike and will do share mutual feelings. I don’t really think they will become a couple, but a happy ending with all three of them single could be okay too, because mileven is not at all healthy.
He looks at Will like he’s the moon 🌙 and the stars ✨ especially after the end of season 3 and forward 😭 that boy is GONE
I see you everywhere
Oh nvm I just watched all your videos and all of byler
@@Over.thewillow I am everywhere 🤪
this needs way more likes
Thank you ❤️
THIS NEEDS MORE LIKES
Obviously, but people (like me) have historically loved to ship non canon couples it’s inevitable
this was so good!!!!!! ✨
This is soo fxckin good. And why aren't there more likes & comments because this is such a magnificently beautiful 💙 & gorgeously made video! I love it! 💙✨💛Byler is soo ENDGAME!! 💙✨💛
I'm saving this, and the one with will to my byler playlist
I made a Will version too
Help in the like season one or maybe two clip it looked like he was going in for a kiss💀 0:25
NO FRL
we’ve had mileven since season one that’s probably not going to change in the LAST season 😂
This is JMHO but I think Byler has been building up since season 1 not Mileven. There's so many subtexts, hidden details, subtle hints and clues that actually points to Mike having romantic feelings for Will. Check out some Byler analysis videos ( including this one too ). I mean it ranges from Mike's behavior, stuff in his bedroom, the clothes he wears, even his playlist which the show gives him, but in the show for me at least has Mike being more interested in Will then the other way around. And Will was confirmed to be gay and in love with Mike after season 4. Mike has internalized homophobia which in season 1 both Lucas and later Nancy made him feel like he had to like girls because he kept one in his basement mainly to keep her safe from the bad men and because she knew about Will. Then his dad has indicated that being " gay " was wrong. In the first episode when his dad said " you see Michael, you see what happens ...... " thinking Will was "killed " in a hate crime because later when Troy and James bully Mike, just Mike not Lucas not Dustin, only Mike to bully him about Will being gay and that Troys dad even thinks Will was killed by another gay person. Then Troy deliberately trips Mike. Then at the school when Troy and James were laughing at the memorial Mike confronts them, which at that point Mike literally pushed Troy down. Then his dad again says to Connie Frazier " our son with a girl? " It's all subtext. And that's only a fraction of what happens in season 1 that hints that Mike has feelings for Will. He literally sobbed biking home and hugging Karen after yelling at El when they pulled that dummy out of the lake. Caressing Will's drawings he keeps in a binder. And isn't it strange that when Mike lies to El in the monologue during season 4 when even she knows he's lying about " his life started the day he met her " when that isn't what happened at all if we go back to episode 2 " The Weirdo On Maple Street " of season 1. Sorry so long just wanted to point out that I really believe Byler has been building up since season 1.
@pllandstfan I don't think you understand Mileven that much tbh. Mike missed will because they were apart of a friend group. Not only mike dude. Dustin and Lucas missed him too. It's giving you wanna excuse Lucas and Dustin for a ship that isn't gonna happen to happen. Also Troy and the other dude bullying mike has nothing to do with mike being gay? He wasn't the only one being bullied there. Troy was also talking to Dustin and Lucas. Don't excuse true facts just to make a ship you like happen. Now it's my turn to tell you why Mike loves eleven and not will. You do realize eleven was the first girl that liked him, didn't judge him at all, and made him feel the way he feels right now. Why would the duffer brothers kill off a great relationship that mileven has build up for the past 4 seasons for byler? That would be dumb and stupid to mileven fans and smart stranger things fan. They been through a lot more than byler whole relationship together. Mike kept eleven because he felted bad for her and he was wondering what happened to her. The way you said "our son with a girl?" Please explain how that makes him gay? In the show we realize that their like a weird group and nobody hangs out with them. Plus he has never interact with a girl that likes him unlike eleven. Also do realize that mike was crying for eleven too when the demogorgon took her? Your acting like he only cares for will and nobody else. He was gonna jump off a cliff for Dustin. We may as well start shipping mike and dustin. Right? You're saying just because will is gay and he's in love with mike means mike gay? No-one forcing him to like girls. He just likes girls which I'm pointing to is eleven. You saying mike lied in the monologe is insane because it was never confirmed to be a lie. Yet y'all byler fans would come up with anything just to make a fan ship come to live am I right or wrong rn? The part where you bring up mike confronts troy and his friends for laughing at Will. I mean a real friend would've done that either way. That shows that mike is a really good FRIEND. You saying that's a hint is diabolical lmao. If you mean that's a hint of him being a great friend I completely agree. I feel completely sorry for you but ship what you want. I'm just showing you that mileven is such a great couple and is better than byler in my opinion. Also you may say that's your opinion but not all opinions are good to share lmao. Please since your advising the commenter to watch a byler analysis go watch some mileven videos and analysis. Alrighty!
@@pllandstfan usually if two characters get in a relationship it’ll be in prior seasons so that they can film the typical scenes like dates fights break ups etc, but most importantly give them more screen time together. If you ask me, they wouldn’t make byler happen in the last season because there’s just no point.
@@prettynames-her EDIT: I apologize for this essay of a comment, and I hope it’s not rude I’m just putting my thoughts out there, you don’t have to believe what I say or anything!
I can’t really say his speech confirmed his love for el… I mean you can think what you want, I believe in all opinions as right until proven otherwise, but I feel like he felt like he had to say that to save her and everyone else. Otherwise, why add the superhero part? He knows el doesn’t like that, at least I think. And he’s also using wills words for the most part… not really his own. (From the van scene)
Even after the “I love you” eleven so desperately wanted, she ignored him completely- as if she knew it was a lie. It didn’t affect her in the slightest when she heard it either. She broke out because of max, because her best friend was hurt. And, even if it doesn’t happen(byler)- the brothers and clothes designers have said that they include very specific details that explain and foreshadow- here’s two examples:
A triangle to represent lbgtq+ representation (the clothing designer talked about using it in Robin and other queer characters to show the rep) on mikes shirt- over his heart. And for some reason, Will is ALWAYS, almost every single time, in the direction that point is turned to. (This is just a byler theory though, the next is what I’m actually talking about. You don’t have to ship anything you don’t want to!)
at the end the flowers that compare to Milevens relationship that Mike gave el we’re wilted, showing the end of their relationship in a metaphor. But el, instead of being sad, is determined. And she didn’t listen, talk, or even look at Mike after the ‘I love you’ that she so desperately wanted. I feel like she’s ready to be independent.
Her own person- a strong, independent woman who can fight on her own with or without a partner, with or without her powers. So I don’t think she’ll be heartbroken. I theorize that she’s more on the open side of breaking up, as she sees that their relationship isn’t going anywhere but down. And behind them? Two canon ships and… byler. Right behind El, who picks up the flowers determinedly.
Though I thoroughly believe byler will be canon, and there have been many hints from actors, details, and even the directors, they might not end up together- and that’s perfectly fine, but I don’t think mileven is endgame either.
As I’ve said in one of these videos, mileven is very often compared to Romeo and Juliet- two whose relationship was doomed to end, doomed from the start. And what started it? [love at first sight] which is what Mike says in that very speech- but did he really? Because he wanted to kick her out from the start- until he learned she knew about Will. THEN the romance blossomed. But young love dies, it doesn’t work out. It hasn’t seemed to be in their case for a LONG time, without fighting.
- also, he said “his life started the day he met her in the woods” but he was in a mess, didn’t care for her at the slightest. The first thing he said was “that’s not will” and continued to not want her around until she showed that she recognized will. And, he already basically used that line on Will. “The best thing that ever happened to me” - that’s what he said to Will, about meeting Will and deciding to be friends with him- no, having Will say “yes” to being friends, is what “was the best thing that happened to him”
He also says “When I stumbled on her in the woods,
she just needed someone, and it's not fate, it's not destiny.” In the van scene with only Will, and he, in his monologue, suddenly changed it to “my life started when I found you in the woods”????
So he was lying about that, using wills words as well, but the “I love you” was true? I don’t know. While it may have been, if everything else was a lie or someone else’s words, and he refers to her as a superhero, as HIS superhero, not a person, her OWN person, was it really the truth..?
Anyway, that was just copied and pasted from a pst convo, so I can’t tell if it makes much sense for the comment, but I do know that their relationship doesn’t seem to be building up. Rather, it seems to get worse and worse. While Mileven can’t communicate for the slightest, Mike can easily run to Will and explain that he knew he was wrong, doesn’t shift the blame, and he lets him know that he apologizes for being an asshole. With el though? He shifts the blame to her, rarely apologizes, and uses others words- signifying that his love for her is fake. He was practically forced into the relationship with her by friends and social norms. And while I personally ship both, I don’t think either would really work out.
Anyway I’ll definitely check out some mileven analysis but here’s a few that shows more of what I was saying:
Video examples:
ua-cam.com/video/ur1wV8UOoU8/v-deo.htmlsi=IrLIQpIesbI0Y73Y
ua-cam.com/video/xvWKorLF9Jo/v-deo.htmlsi=LU3QQj4ifTD6C3Gf
ua-cam.com/video/xLwf_agFm1E/v-deo.htmlsi=dFRfQCAuKuwqyMop
ua-cam.com/video/4y3hilMjgys/v-deo.htmlsi=UTIDJRb52RmvKC8f
ua-cam.com/video/F0gwmeyNbxg/v-deo.htmlsi=xdBo87Dp4jDvG-fr
I mean it’s supposed to be 8 movie-episodes. Like a season of movies, with that much time, it could further use the evidence they’ve given us in the past that Mike and will do share mutual feelings. I don’t really think they will become a couple, but a happy ending with all three of them single could be okay too, because mileven is not at all healthy.