Νε ανήκει στους ΙΩΝΕΣ- ΠΟΝΤΙΟΥΣ πού είχαν εγκατασταθεί στον σημερινό Πόντο - Τουρκία τό 1500 π. Χ. Αυτόν τον χορό των χόρεψε η θέα ΑΘΗΝΑ Η ΘΕΑ ΤΟΥ ΠΟΛΈΜΟΥ πρψτη φορά καί τον δίδαξε στους ΙΩΝΕΣ-ΣΠΑΡΤΙΑΤΕΣ - ΚΡΗΤΕΣ ,με αυτόν τον χορό οι Αρχαίοι Έλληνες ξεκινούσαν τον Πόλεμο, τούς έφερνε σε έκσταση καί δεν περνούσε κάνεις δηλαδή τοίχος!! Ο ΧΟΡΌΣ Τού ΠΟΛΈΜΟΥ, απλά την παραδώσει την κράτησαν οι Ίωνες - Πόντιοι!!!
congratulations,this is so GREAT!!!I FEL GOOSEBUMBS ALL OVER MY BODY!thank you for that feeling,it cant compare with any dance we know!you need to have GUTS to dance this!
Thank you elagoezlue fot providing us with the greek name of "your" dance. Your testimony can convince -more than any scholar-, anybody who denies that this dance is pontic greek!
"Leaves of dough between which are placed crushed nuts with honey, sesame, pepper and poppy seed" (recipe for the 'kopte' or kopton' from Athenaeus' "Deipnosophistae" , c. 200 AD). Basically a common east Med. delicacy way before arrival of Turks ...
The lyra has long history in the pontian history and long before any Turkish people entered Byzanthium 300 bc Assyrians used similar instrument Persians to,and when i read some comments in here i start to laugh some need to read books and not listnen to papas bedtime stories start with National Encyclopedia.
As a Turk I cant say this is Turkish nor can accept is pure Greek,simply the dance of the people who once lived and are now living in this region,be its name Pontus or,in Turkish,Karadeniz (Black Sea). I am sure before Greeks came to Black Sea was this dance,they came,learnt and danced and so did we. Ethnologically in deed,this is the dance of the fishers who have to act very swiftly when they are fishing under heavy wind and rain.For Turkish version pls search as "Horon,Akcaabat Horon".
haha, some guys still fighting for cultural stuff here is a fact from smart people. cultures affect each other. i am a semi-pro dancer of many folk dances including turkish,bulgarian,romanian in U.S. and if someone proves that the turkish black sea dance is greek, i dont f..in care. I enjoy the beauty of this dance and i ll keep dancin it stop spreading faction seeds and enjoy the diversity
@AegeanKing i know my roots, but my leader is Ataturk, my Flag is the Turkish red banner, my love for the Turkish people, my love for the Turkish millitary and my love for the history of my country is too big.
To all : in ancient greek writings stands that the laz were a folk of colchis the First laz city but there also stands that at the black sea also were living most greeks... This are pontian greeks this is old greek dance ......the laz have their own culture which is also beautiful .. But laz and pontian greeks dort forget that we are the natives of karadeniz/black sea we are brothers!!!! We mixed all together karadeniz belongs to us the laz and the pontian greeks!!!!!! And not to the cepnis or armenians!!!
Its sad to hear all of these comments that are full of hate. There is nothing to nostaligize about Ottoman Empire but it managed to bring all these diverse cultures together -which is something that we desperately lack today. Ottomans were not "Turks" in the today's meaning of the term. Words like Greek and Turk are invented after Nationalism and they had drastic effects over the Ottoman World. Every comment here has been written by that "nationalistic" point of view -which is a recent invention
Baklava along with most things like food, music ,clothes, theatre, medicine , dance fashion etc etc is GREEK. Aristotle himself wrote about baklava so long ago.
well,the original dance is called "SERRA".of course there are many versions.the particular is one of the most famous.SERRA in greekpontian means "knife"and in the original version the first and the last dancer separate and engage each other with a knife.its actually an ancient dance and they used to danced by two or more guys if for some reason they must fight(to the death).
@AegeanKing This is really funny, because I have similiar arguments with Turks of Hamshen Armenian origins, in some cases they sepak an old Armenian dialect and we understand each other and even swear at each other in our old language. That is what fate brought to these people, but slowly because on internet , youtube and access to more factual information a lot is changing, an awakening is taking place, because untill recently they were even afraid to say they were Armenian.
Serb18 ... these are most certainly notTurks ... and the 'hat' is definitely not Turkish. In fact there are Pontian folk songs from around 1000Ad (four centuries before the Turks arrrived there) where a wife of a returning Pontian man recognising him in the distance from the individual way he wore his headpiece ... Basically everyone wore theirs in a unique manner ...
OK I did ... and I found some Turk claiming it is the koron-horon of pagan worship and, confusingly, comes from the word hur-kor meaning 'sun'. And, yes, I also found your 'lattice' definition -- again only on Turkish sites. I assure you these dances were danced by the Greeks & Laz of the region long before the arrival of the Turks ... No Asian nomad taught it to them. In Pontian Greek 'horon' is exactly how one says 'dance'.
my friend ertugrul000 If you can read open tha books and start to read them carefully.The old historian Xenophon talked about this dance pyrixios or serra and that was before christus
Arabs, Persians, Bosnians, Bulgarians, Hungarians, Kurds, Assyrians, Greek, Armenians, Laz, Zaza, Circassians (Cherkess), Abaza, Abkhaz, Kaberaty, Dagestanis, Chechens, Hemshenlis...etc. are totally different ethnic groups from different race than Turks. Each has its own language that is unrelated to Turkish at all, but from a different language group either Semetic, Indo-Iranian, Slavic, or Caucasic. Turkish is an Altaic language.
And by the way - again for your education - the old name for the town of Akçaabat was 'Platana' (it means plane trees). So continue to dance our dances and to plough our fields. If you could also please tend to the ruined graves of our Greek ancestors if any are left in the area. We want to find everything in good condition when we come back to reclaim what we lost ... OK Çinli Çengiz!!!
I go to this festival every year with my grandma. I just love it. Do you know the name of the dance group. I'm ashamed to say that I have no clue even though I have close relatives among the people who organize it. Some people here would really like to know what their name is and how to contact them if possible. thanks!
Istoria will put you in your deserved place. If only you knew how hard I try to be at peace with you. I won't go on .. but my dreams are not in your favor. Make better choices before you go to sleep my friends. There are ends to all means. Remember that. Ellada is my soul..
Pity that a lot suffering took place, thousands of Turks and Pontians lost their lives. But it is time to look ahead and establish the long lost friendship between the Pontians all over the world.
Actually the dance and its name is Greek. In the Pontian dialect the 's' at the end of a word becomes an 'n' ... In modern Greek 'o anthropos (person)' becomes 'o anthropon' in Pontian. Where Greek has 'o horos (dance)' Pontian Greek has ... you guessed it ... 'o horon'. But that's alright you can still dance it as I know many Turks/Muslims in the old Pontian homeland still do ... especially those who speak the old Greek of the region.
okay, i am Greek, and i have to say this whole racial business has to stop. We all have disputes with other countries, but sometimes there is a line that should be drawn. I suggest everyone should stop saying all the these offense comments. One person should be blamed for actions of a group, such as a group leader of course. Also, i love pontiaka, and i love dancing it.
Greeks are a distinct people and culture from the Turks, although many share genetic ties and mixing by invading each other. Greeks borrowed a lot of concepts from the Turks, like Gyro came from Doner Kebab and Baklava came from Turks, but somethings are the other way around, like the salad. Its funny how I'm only referencing food. Food is good. Especially from Greek-Turkish-Northern Arab countries
There are a lot of Greek people living in Kozani and Kastorya who speak perfect Turkish.Does this make them Turk?If I go there and chat with them in my mother tongue can I consider they are not Greeks but Turks?Turks living in Greece now speak Greek and Greeks living in Turkey now speak Turkish.Nobody should be troubled with this.We feel happy when a Greek comes to Turkey and comunicate by using his own langauage, isnt it better than using English which has never been spoken in this lands?
I meant that the Pontian Greeks and the Laz were neighbours ... the Greeks (those living in a compact mass like the Pontians) were not immediate neighbours of any other Georgian-speaking group ...
KolxisLaz ... by 'geographically' I mean that the Laz were the Georgian-speakers physically closest to the Pontian Greeks ... basically there were Greeks west of Rize and Laz from Rize eastwards ...
Can we not just agree that the Black Sea culture belongs to all the ethnic groups that inhabited it? I mean, who owns Rock music now? The Americans, the Brits, the Japanese? Please...
@1969yaman This is a pure Greek dance. Turks think it is a Turkish, but it is not because thats what they teach in Turkey that everything is Turkish , while in reality it is not, and it is not ethical to claim others' cutlures.
Pontians are Greeks ... Laz are Laz (a Georgian people). Both participated in a culture of the region many centuries before the coming of the Turk who simply took on what was there.
Well, it is and it is not a Greek dance. The people in the Pontus were the descendants of Greek colonists. The people there were also part of the Eastern Roman Empire (aka Byzantine) and were very often Greek speaking with strong Greek cultural aspects as well. Of course, there were other minority groups that lived there, but largely the people there are descendants of Greeks.
im greek but i say.THIS ISNT A GREEK DANCE BUT THIS ISNT A TURKISH DANCE TOO. THIS IS A PONTIAN DANCE. PONTIAN PEOPLE LIVED AND BUILD THE TOWNS IN THE NEAR OF BLACK SEA LIKE SAMSUN AND SINOPE OR TRAPEZUNT. THIS ARENT TURKISH TOWNS. AND THE CULTUR ISNT TURKIK. she is like the greek cultur but isnt greek too
i am sure you can go to your university adn ask an historian too. And if you are rum and you speaking rumcha ask yourself why it do not have similarities with turkish abi. I will go this sommer to pontus and visit one of the villages of tonia and the strange thing is i can speak with the people without knowing a word turkish but rumcha or pontiaka.
Don't be delusional you've been taught that to think that their was pontian greek genocide and population exchange. The pontians who remained were converted hence why their parents and grandparents spoke pontian greek dialect with turkish words the ancestors of them today a big percent of greek pontian dna
Wiseguy ... it's a bit of a coincidence then that the only Georgian speaking people who use the lyra/kementze (ie the Laz) are also the ones geographically closest to the Pontian Greeks ...
Pontiacs are Greeks; The Pontiacs were the Greek population of the North Turkey (Black Sea) Region until 1920 when they were deported or assimilaed into the Turkish society. Currently, there are 800,000 Turkish citizen of Pontiac origins.
Pontic from Worldwide genetic History are Just pontic Not Greek or anything 😅 they descend from Antique pontic and Romans 😅 they have Just adopting some Greek turkish persian thinks from Greek colonists turkish colonists and persians colonists Like they have a language based on this But still Not Greek ! Im Mainland greek
Pontic from Worldwide genetic History are Just pontic Not Greek or anything 😅 they descend from Antique pontic and Romans 😅 they have Just adopting some Greek turkish persian thinks from Greek colonists turkish colonists and persians colonists Like they have a language based on this But still Not Greek ! Im Mainland greek
... so unless the kemence is used by all Georgian groups .(ie as a Georgian 'national' instrument). there is no evidence to suggest that this instrument was not used by the Pontians earlier than the Laz or that both groups did not in fact inherit it from a third source ...
KolxisLaZ ... yes they belong to both traditions Greek and Laz ... the Turks can aslo enjoy them if they like ... we'll collect the dance tax from them at some later stage ...
we should Embrace our Similarities not our differences. leave politics to politicians and history to Historians lets enjoy the music and be brothers and sisters shouldn't we? :)
This is not greek and not turkish dance and folklor. This is folklor of LAZI people, this is LAZISTAN! Hands of from lazi folklor you greek and turkish shovinist. Freedom for LAZISTAN!!!
Laz people are a caucasian native group to pontus ! This one is pontic ! Pontic people descend from Antique pontic and Romans people which Laz descend from colcians! They both belong to pontus and caucasian genetic Family But are still different Folks ! Also in pontus lives pontic Laz circassian hemshin cepni Turks etc 😅
Laz people descend from colcians and pontic people from Roman and antique pontic people both native in pontus with different caucasian Folks ! This one is pontic Not Laz 😅
Laz people descend from colcians and pontic people from Roman and antique pontic people both native in pontus with different caucasian Folks ! This one is pontic Not Laz 😅 Long Live pontic people and Laz ! Long Live pontus and lazistan
It is really sad and disturbing that a video of a cultural dance online always has to turn into world war 3. I've seen this on the comments of most Greek videos I've looked at on this site. This is why the world is damned, all of it, not just Turks or Greeks.
So basically when you hear the sound of hoofs think horses ... not zebras. One does not need to find exotic self-serving definitions when the obvious is under their nose. As for zeybeks (western Anatolian mountain warriors of Turkmen and sometime Greek origins) ... no, it is a Turkish word ... and is irrelevant to the present discussion.
cok güzel oynuyorlar. varsa yoksa kemence ve horon. dinimiz dilimiz ayri olabilir. cogu fakat kültürümüz ayni. rumlarin ve türklerin cok ortak yanlari var. bizler kardes olmaliyiz düsman degil.
do not make this mistake this people are turks with greek nationality, as you know ingreece are still living turks and the state accept them like a samll minority something that would not be possible in turkey, but i hope with the prozess of democracy that rises because of the willing of turkey to become a member of europe that this will change
These arent Turks Nor greeks they are pontic people and where also Killed by turkish politic and greek politic 😅 also assimilated ! But mostly knows theyre pontics 😅 theyre Homeland is pontus
These arent Turks Nor greeks they are pontic people and where also Killed by turkish politic and greek politic 😅 also assimilated ! But mostly knows theyre pontics 😅 theyre Homeland is pontus
Sie sind einfach Laz. Sie leben momentan in Karadeniz und haben türkische Ausweise. Ich verstehe nicht was er singt, aber es klingt wie lazisches Akzent des Türkisch. Türkische Kultur... ;)
It's a shame that different ethnic groups who fight each other coffee, invented baklava and gyros has shit on it now and we have finished the story alive for your future and learn from the past and not vice versa. Long live peace choron (Horon) is the best to let aggression also (opa)
It belong to the Pontiac Greeks, native to Northern Turkey.
Νε ανήκει στους ΙΩΝΕΣ- ΠΟΝΤΙΟΥΣ πού είχαν εγκατασταθεί στον σημερινό Πόντο - Τουρκία τό 1500 π. Χ. Αυτόν τον χορό των χόρεψε η θέα ΑΘΗΝΑ Η ΘΕΑ ΤΟΥ ΠΟΛΈΜΟΥ πρψτη φορά καί τον δίδαξε στους ΙΩΝΕΣ-ΣΠΑΡΤΙΑΤΕΣ - ΚΡΗΤΕΣ ,με αυτόν τον χορό οι Αρχαίοι Έλληνες ξεκινούσαν τον Πόλεμο, τούς έφερνε σε έκσταση καί δεν περνούσε κάνεις δηλαδή τοίχος!! Ο ΧΟΡΌΣ Τού ΠΟΛΈΜΟΥ, απλά την παραδώσει την κράτησαν οι Ίωνες - Πόντιοι!!!
Hayde...Hopa....Super Horon...bravo!!!
greetings from Trabzon
THE OLDEST ANCIENT GREEK DANCE - The name has been take from Pyrros (son of Achilles)
I love this Greek dance!
they are awesome, love from Orthdox Georgia!!
My brothers and sisters, Greeks. We will never give up our fight for freedom and justice. Long live our brotherhood.
Pontian Dances simply make me feel proud to be Pontian.... and Greek! They are quite unique.
Hello my Greek Friends!
This is verry cool Kemençe and Horon...hayde hayde.....Greetings from Trabzon-Sürmene to Hellas!!!!
Orhan
Emorfon xoron emorfon kementse emorfi pontiiiiiiiiiii
This is the best I've seen this danced. Very lively with some old fashioned powerful foot work! Bravo!
Katerini Pontos for ever.Bravo Ari proedre.
Bravo to the older generation and bravo to the younger guys that follow on their foot steps.
congratulations,this is so GREAT!!!I FEL GOOSEBUMBS ALL OVER MY BODY!thank you for that feeling,it cant compare with any dance we know!you need to have GUTS to dance this!
Hauntingly beautiful, thank you !
Thank you elagoezlue fot providing us with the greek name of "your" dance. Your testimony can convince -more than any scholar-, anybody who denies that this dance is pontic greek!
"Leaves of dough between which are placed crushed nuts with honey, sesame, pepper and poppy seed" (recipe for the 'kopte' or kopton' from Athenaeus' "Deipnosophistae" , c. 200 AD). Basically a common east Med. delicacy way before arrival of Turks ...
Spate ntouvaria!!!!! Ellinares... etsti mpravo...pontii pano apo ola!
wonderful!long live greek culture! i love you!
The lyra has long history in the pontian history and long before any Turkish people entered Byzanthium 300 bc Assyrians used similar instrument Persians to,and when i read some comments in here i start to laugh some need to read books and not listnen to papas bedtime stories start with National Encyclopedia.
ancient Greek dance, Pyrrhic or Serra Horos (horos : Greek word, means Dance)
I am Greek and I Love this Region. Its so fun to dance and to hear an ancient language and culture like this
Matthew McNally it's a great to honour to be a Greek of Pontos.
Yes it is a great honour! Οπα!
lol opa :))
As a Turk I cant say this is Turkish nor can accept is pure Greek,simply the dance of the people who once lived and are now living in this region,be its name Pontus or,in Turkish,Karadeniz (Black Sea).
I am sure before Greeks came to Black Sea was this dance,they came,learnt and danced and so did we. Ethnologically in deed,this is the dance of the fishers who have to act very swiftly when they
are fishing under heavy wind and rain.For Turkish version pls search as "Horon,Akcaabat Horon".
I love this dance, my greek dance group performs this also :)!
Very talented dancers! Bravo!
haha, some guys still fighting for cultural stuff
here is a fact from smart people.
cultures affect each other.
i am a semi-pro dancer of many folk dances including turkish,bulgarian,romanian in U.S. and if someone proves that the turkish black sea dance is greek, i dont f..in care. I enjoy the beauty of this dance and i ll keep dancin it
stop spreading faction seeds and enjoy the diversity
War dance from the time of Achiles
hel1nas the Serra! older than dirt.
@AegeanKing i know my roots, but my leader is Ataturk, my Flag is the Turkish red banner, my love for the Turkish people, my love for the Turkish millitary and my love for the history of my country is too big.
To all : in ancient greek writings stands that the laz were a folk of colchis the First laz city but there also stands that at the black sea also were living most greeks... This are pontian greeks this is old greek dance ......the laz have their own culture which is also beautiful .. But laz and pontian greeks dort forget that we are the natives of karadeniz/black sea we are brothers!!!! We mixed all together karadeniz belongs to us the laz and the pontian greeks!!!!!! And not to the cepnis or armenians!!!
Yes, this music has a lot of Caucasian-Zagros elements, especially the Kamanche-Lyre.
Its sad to hear all of these comments that are full of hate. There is nothing to nostaligize about Ottoman Empire but it managed to bring all these diverse cultures together -which is something that we desperately lack today. Ottomans were not "Turks" in the today's meaning of the term. Words like Greek and Turk are invented after Nationalism and they had drastic effects over the Ottoman World. Every comment here has been written by that "nationalistic" point of view -which is a recent invention
I am half Greek-Pontia, and there nothing like PONTIAKO Dance!!!
Baklava along with most things like food, music ,clothes, theatre, medicine , dance fashion etc etc is GREEK. Aristotle himself wrote about baklava so long ago.
well,the original dance is called "SERRA".of course there are many versions.the particular is one of the most famous.SERRA in greekpontian means "knife"and in the original version the first and the last dancer separate and engage each other with a knife.its actually an ancient dance and they used to danced by two or more guys if for some reason they must fight(to the death).
@AegeanKing
This is really funny, because I have similiar arguments with Turks of Hamshen Armenian origins, in some cases they sepak an old Armenian dialect and we understand each other and even swear at each other in our old language.
That is what fate brought to these people, but slowly because on internet , youtube and access to more factual information a lot is changing, an awakening is taking place, because untill recently they were even afraid to say they were Armenian.
Serb18 ... these are most certainly notTurks ... and the 'hat' is definitely not Turkish. In fact there are Pontian folk songs from around 1000Ad (four centuries before the Turks arrrived there) where a wife of a returning Pontian man recognising him in the distance from the individual way he wore his headpiece ... Basically everyone wore theirs in a unique manner ...
Beautiful.
OK I did ... and I found some Turk claiming it is the koron-horon of pagan worship and, confusingly, comes from the word hur-kor meaning 'sun'. And, yes, I also found your 'lattice' definition -- again only on Turkish sites. I assure you these dances were danced by the Greeks & Laz of the region long before the arrival of the Turks ... No Asian nomad taught it to them. In Pontian Greek 'horon' is exactly how one says 'dance'.
ELLAS FOREVER!!!PONTIAN FOREVER!!!
It's kotsari!!! Love this dance!!!
Το κοτσαρι που το ειδες;
my friend ertugrul000
If you can read open tha books and start to read them carefully.The old historian Xenophon talked about this dance pyrixios or serra and that was before christus
sampsounta
Arabs, Persians, Bosnians, Bulgarians, Hungarians, Kurds, Assyrians, Greek, Armenians, Laz, Zaza, Circassians (Cherkess), Abaza, Abkhaz, Kaberaty, Dagestanis, Chechens, Hemshenlis...etc. are totally different ethnic groups from different race than Turks. Each has its own language that is unrelated to Turkish at all, but from a different language group either Semetic, Indo-Iranian, Slavic, or Caucasic. Turkish is an Altaic language.
Are you crazy !! Horon is greek word and means dance !! This Dance is called SERRA and is greek pontian !!
And by the way - again for your education - the old name for the town of Akçaabat was 'Platana' (it means plane trees). So continue to dance our dances and to plough our fields. If you could also please tend to the ruined graves of our Greek ancestors if any are left in the area. We want to find everything in good condition when we come back to reclaim what we lost ... OK Çinli Çengiz!!!
I go to this festival every year with my grandma. I just love it.
Do you know the name of the dance group. I'm ashamed to say that I have no clue even though I have close relatives among the people who organize it. Some people here would really like to know what their name is and how to contact them if possible.
thanks!
Istoria will put you in your deserved place. If only you knew how hard I try to be at peace with you. I won't go on .. but my dreams are not in your favor. Make better choices before you go to sleep my friends. There are ends to all means. Remember that. Ellada is my soul..
this is pontiaka. [from greece]
also the dance is serra.
BLACK SEA IS PONTIAN FOREVER!!!
Selcuk Sumer black sea means pontos in ancient greek so you are right :p
waow you solved whole history in 5 sentences. who needs a history phd. bravooo man.
Pity that a lot suffering took place, thousands of Turks and Pontians lost their lives. But it is time to look ahead and establish the long lost friendship between the Pontians all over the world.
HAHAH YOU ARE FUNNY THIS IS GREEK DANCE LEARN HISTORY PONTIAKA HORON IS GREEK WORD ITS MEAN DANCE IN GREEK LAUNGWISH
horon's georgian variation is Khorumi it means wolf pack and it's old georgian war dance
Actually the dance and its name is Greek. In the Pontian dialect the 's' at the end of a word becomes an 'n' ... In modern Greek 'o anthropos (person)' becomes 'o anthropon' in Pontian. Where Greek has 'o horos (dance)' Pontian Greek has ... you guessed it ... 'o horon'. But that's alright you can still dance it as I know many Turks/Muslims in the old Pontian homeland still do ... especially those who speak the old Greek of the region.
okay, i am Greek,
and i have to say this whole racial business has to stop. We all have disputes with other countries, but sometimes there is a line that should be drawn. I suggest everyone should stop saying all the these offense comments. One person should be blamed for actions of a group, such as a group leader of course.
Also, i love pontiaka, and i love dancing it.
Greeks are a distinct people and culture from the Turks, although many share genetic ties and mixing by invading each other. Greeks borrowed a lot of concepts from the Turks, like Gyro came from Doner Kebab and Baklava came from Turks, but somethings are the other way around, like the salad. Its funny how I'm only referencing food. Food is good. Especially from Greek-Turkish-Northern Arab countries
There are a lot of Greek people living in Kozani and Kastorya who speak perfect Turkish.Does this make them Turk?If I go there and chat with them in my mother tongue can I consider they are not Greeks but Turks?Turks living in Greece now speak Greek and Greeks living in Turkey now speak Turkish.Nobody should be troubled with this.We feel happy when a Greek comes to Turkey and comunicate by using his own langauage, isnt it better than using English which has never been spoken in this lands?
Thank you!
I meant that the Pontian Greeks and the Laz were neighbours ... the Greeks (those living in a compact mass like the Pontians) were not immediate neighbours of any other Georgian-speaking group ...
Xeretismata Apo Kipro !!
@grkpower What are a Mountian Kurd living in a cave! or an Arab living in a Tent, or a Greek living in a boat!
KolxisLaz ... by 'geographically' I mean that the Laz were the Georgian-speakers physically closest to the Pontian Greeks ... basically there were Greeks west of Rize and Laz from Rize eastwards ...
oh i miss katerini!!!! ...!
Kebetulan pula nama tarian ni sama dengan daerah kelahiranku.
khorumi shared culture of Pontians and laz , Acharian (Georgians)
Georgian History Diaokhi Colchis Iberia Taochi Tao Klarjeti but laz horon is a little bit different they dance faster .. we pontians slower
Baiaz ?? Our dances are fast.
Can we not just agree that the Black Sea culture belongs to all the ethnic groups that inhabited it? I mean, who owns Rock music now? The Americans, the Brits, the Japanese? Please...
opaaaaa!!!! *efkiria na chorepso ki ego :D*
@1969yaman This is a pure Greek dance. Turks think it is a Turkish, but it is not because thats what they teach in Turkey that everything is Turkish , while in reality it is not, and it is not ethical to claim others' cutlures.
Pontians are Greeks ... Laz are Laz (a Georgian people). Both participated in a culture of the region many centuries before the coming of the Turk who simply took on what was there.
Well, it is and it is not a Greek dance. The people in the Pontus were the descendants of Greek colonists. The people there were also part of the Eastern Roman Empire (aka Byzantine) and were very often Greek speaking with strong Greek cultural aspects as well. Of course, there were other minority groups that lived there, but largely the people there are descendants of Greeks.
I agree ...
im greek but i say.THIS ISNT A GREEK DANCE BUT THIS ISNT A TURKISH DANCE TOO. THIS IS A PONTIAN DANCE. PONTIAN PEOPLE LIVED AND BUILD THE TOWNS IN THE NEAR OF BLACK SEA LIKE SAMSUN AND SINOPE OR TRAPEZUNT. THIS ARENT TURKISH TOWNS. AND THE CULTUR ISNT TURKIK. she is like the greek cultur but isnt greek too
i am sure you can go to your university adn ask an historian too.
And if you are rum and you speaking rumcha ask yourself why it do not have similarities with turkish abi. I will go this sommer to pontus and visit one of the villages of tonia and the strange thing is i can speak with the people without knowing a word turkish but rumcha or pontiaka.
This is a turkish folk dance from the Black Sea Coast.Greeks dance our dance and eat our food (like baklava,tzaziki and many mores)
Pontian greeks go back over 3 thousand years in trabzon black sea did you see panayia soumela monastery ?
Don't be delusional you've been taught that to think that their was pontian greek genocide and population exchange. The pontians who remained were converted hence why their parents and grandparents spoke pontian greek dialect with turkish words the ancestors of them today a big percent of greek pontian dna
Wiseguy ... it's a bit of a coincidence then that the only Georgian speaking people who use the lyra/kementze (ie the Laz) are also the ones geographically closest to the Pontian Greeks ...
Pontiacs are Greeks; The Pontiacs were the Greek population of the North Turkey (Black Sea) Region until 1920 when they were deported or assimilaed into the Turkish society. Currently, there are 800,000 Turkish citizen of Pontiac origins.
Pontic from Worldwide genetic History are Just pontic Not Greek or anything 😅 they descend from Antique pontic and Romans 😅 they have Just adopting some Greek turkish persian thinks from Greek colonists turkish colonists and persians colonists Like they have a language based on this But still Not Greek ! Im Mainland greek
Pontic from Worldwide genetic History are Just pontic Not Greek or anything 😅 they descend from Antique pontic and Romans 😅 they have Just adopting some Greek turkish persian thinks from Greek colonists turkish colonists and persians colonists Like they have a language based on this But still Not Greek ! Im Mainland greek
@dwaler27 how can u blame utube for ur badass behavior??
u r a badass person,,u come from a badass family & country
Im Proud beacuse im Pontios!
... so unless the kemence is used by all Georgian groups .(ie as a Georgian 'national' instrument). there is no evidence to suggest that this instrument was not used by the Pontians earlier than the Laz or that both groups did not in fact inherit it from a third source ...
Bu konu hakkında bu kadar hır çıkmasını abes buluyorum.Bunlar karadeniz bölgesinin kültürel değerleridir.
KolxisLaZ ... yes they belong to both traditions Greek and Laz ... the Turks can aslo enjoy them if they like ... we'll collect the dance tax from them at some later stage ...
we should Embrace our Similarities not our differences. leave politics to politicians and history to Historians lets enjoy the music and be brothers and sisters shouldn't we? :)
Α ΝΑ ΤΡΙ ΧΙΑ ΖΩ!!!!!!!Ζητω ο Πόντος κι η Ελλάς!
Owowoo !! good job....Güzel !
Grkzr you didn`t understand me i didn`t ment the pontians, it was a answer to a another comment before if i get your statement right
Doesn't it look like our Akçaabat Horon?
This is not greek and not turkish dance and folklor. This is folklor of LAZI people, this is LAZISTAN! Hands of from lazi folklor you greek and turkish shovinist. Freedom for LAZISTAN!!!
Laz people are a caucasian native group to pontus ! This one is pontic ! Pontic people descend from Antique pontic and Romans people which Laz descend from colcians! They both belong to pontus and caucasian genetic Family But are still different Folks ! Also in pontus lives pontic Laz circassian hemshin cepni Turks etc 😅
Laz people descend from colcians and pontic people from Roman and antique pontic people both native in pontus with different caucasian Folks ! This one is pontic Not Laz 😅
Laz people descend from colcians and pontic people from Roman and antique pontic people both native in pontus with different caucasian Folks ! This one is pontic Not Laz 😅 Long Live pontic people and Laz ! Long Live pontus and lazistan
Hardly!!! So it comes from a word denoting stalks tied in a lattice rather than a word signifying dance?! LOL ...
@urukhrai pontus karadeniz demek. orada yaşayan herkesin kültürü. sadece rum değil.
It is really sad and disturbing that a video of a cultural dance online always has to turn into world war 3. I've seen this on the comments of most Greek videos I've looked at on this site. This is why the world is damned, all of it, not just Turks or Greeks.
So basically when you hear the sound of hoofs think horses ... not zebras. One does not need to find exotic self-serving definitions when the obvious is under their nose. As for zeybeks (western Anatolian mountain warriors of Turkmen and sometime Greek origins) ... no, it is a Turkish word ... and is irrelevant to the present discussion.
PONTOS!!!!! Guardians of the East Hellenic of Asia Minor.
@theseis still, after finding out im a pontic greek, i feel turkish and that area is and always will be TURKEY!
Sould be pontic 😅 😂 U Arent turkish or Greek and this true from genetic and History ! But U Sould Stop your Assimilation protect your pontic Heritage
Sould be pontic 😅 😂 U Arent turkish or Greek and this true from genetic and History ! But U Sould Stop your Assimilation protect your pontic Heritage
the Serra!
Pontians are crazy ones haha!!!!
cok güzel oynuyorlar. varsa yoksa kemence ve horon. dinimiz dilimiz ayri olabilir. cogu fakat kültürümüz ayni. rumlarin ve türklerin cok ortak yanlari var. bizler kardes olmaliyiz düsman degil.
geia Sas adelfia mou Pontioi Na zisoume oloi ore I Ellada mas pote den pe8eni kai I Kipros mas
do not make this mistake this people are turks with greek nationality, as you know ingreece are still living turks and the state accept them like a samll minority something that would not be possible in turkey, but i hope with the prozess of democracy that rises because of the willing of turkey to become a member of europe that this will change
dimi doc no we arwnt turks u are desinformed we are pontian greeks who got assimilated by turks
These arent Turks Nor greeks they are pontic people and where also Killed by turkish politic and greek politic 😅 also assimilated ! But mostly knows theyre pontics 😅 theyre Homeland is pontus
These arent Turks Nor greeks they are pontic people and where also Killed by turkish politic and greek politic 😅 also assimilated ! But mostly knows theyre pontics 😅 theyre Homeland is pontus
@dwaler27 im happy being a Greek-Orthodox
Sie sind einfach Laz. Sie leben momentan in Karadeniz und haben türkische Ausweise. Ich verstehe nicht was er singt, aber es klingt wie lazisches Akzent des Türkisch. Türkische Kultur... ;)
XylazineHCl das ist pondisch ( altgriechischer dialekt vom schwarzenmeer ) das hat mit laz nixhts zu tun
this is a turkish folk dance north anatolia
This is pontic Dance from north anatolia 😅 Turks have asiatic different dances
This is pontic Dance from north anatolia 😅 Turks have asiatic different dances
This is pontic Dance from north anatolia 😅 Turks have asiatic different dances
If this is YOUR dance also ,its like we live in the same house and we are not related... makes you think!! dont it
It's a shame that different ethnic groups who fight each other coffee, invented baklava and gyros has shit on it now and we have finished the story alive for your future and learn from the past and not vice versa.
Long live peace choron (Horon) is the best to let aggression also (opa)
uri is an mixed language between the laz language and your own language..
... or the other way around, of-course ...!!!
@dwaler27 have u heard the crazy news from FYROM ?? they've
bought new busses b4 they've build the roads2run them FOOOLS