Holy smokes, you make it look so easy! Effortless. That's wild. For anyone watching, I assure you that it is NOT effortless. What you're seeing is skilled mastery at work. I would come work for this guy for free just to learn.
Brian, Thank you for your clear, concise video on scraping. It's always a pleasure to watch a true master at work! Obviously years of experience trained by another master of the craft.
The orange and black that I use are mortar color mixture that comes in a powder form, you can pick it up at any brick place. Then you mix it with a lite spindle oil A to make a firm paste this has worked great for me. If you have any other question please feel free to call. Thank You, Brian Ives
I use concrete pigments also. It's particle size is some of the finest powder I've ever seen. I use it cause it works better and is dirt cheap/free and so do many other good scrapers. Look at this great video by Wes Johnson ua-cam.com/video/xHT-uzKQM6U/v-deo.html he's an excellent re builder who also uses it.
Well i take my hat off and bow. Mr Brian you are one of the last legend of yesteryear. TOTAL respect thank you for a professional vid your approach to teaching is direct straight to the point. Thank you.
Excellent video. I'm glad tradesmen are getting involved with UA-cam. These skills are all to often lost from generation to generation and these videos will help preserve them.
Perhaps this is a lost manual art , however, why couldn't a robot with artificial intelligence, perform the same scraping task faster and better ? I didn't realize that a scrape and rebuild job was such a cost effective alternative to a brand new machine.
Great video. I've always been interested in scraping but could never find anyone willing to show how. It's probably because I'm 70. People just didn't share their meal ticket back then. Thanks again!
Excellent video: Great presentation , very informative and an awesome display of craftsmanship. I learned more from your 20 min video than from all the other info I had gathered over the years. Thank you, Bernhard
Hi Brian, I just wanted to thank you for uploading this video on the techniques of how to hand scrape. I'm a mechanical engineer with an interest in "hands on" fabrication/truing of metal and I've always enjoyed seeing how true craftsmen work. Thank You, Gordon
I've just started researching what is involved in scraping the ways of an old Bridgeport that I acquired. This was very informative. Thanks very much, Brian.
Hey this is brilliant stuff. I used to work in a shipyard and we often had to scape out large bearings but we never had flaking tools. All the scrpaers were either made out of flat or half-round files and then carefully tempered. Flaking by hand was a back breaking job. Do you sharpen the sides of the tip or just the end? Lots of people watching this will never know the skill there is in doing what you are doing. It looks simple because you're a master of the art. All the best. Robert
I want my truck to be stripped , scraped , and checked. That looked amazing. I loved working on a Bridgeport with a fresh checked surface. So easy to slide a vice on. That would be an awesome finish on a wood burning stove.
Thank you for posting this video! Wonderful instruction; I am more confident in attempting a scraping and flake job when I take apart my 1960 Bridgeport. I still have lots to learn, but this video has given me courage!
Thank you for video. This was exemplary commercial. Information opened to public, good explanation, detailed comments and specialized services advertisement. Post Scriptum: I've tried scraping - it is not easy in any mean. It requires enormous amount of patience:)
Thank you for this. You just saved my new rotary table from the disc sander. I will treat it with more respect and in honor of your craft I will scrape. Thanks for taking the time to share this info.
I have watched this video a dozen times and bookmarked it! I am still in awe of the process. It's something we would like to learn to do on our machines in the future. My hometown is Romeo maybe we could arrange for some training some time when I'm up for vacation?
Wow! Thanks for this! I just got into collecting, restoring and using "Old Arn" last year, and these are the things I'm learning to do to restore it faithfully to it's optimal working capacity and efficiency, that my machines may look down upon all other of recent manufacture. I have Tennis Elbow and Arthritis, but find I need the work of this nature, and that accomplishing it despite my pain is truly rewarding, but learning to do it the right way and most efficient way are critical to minimize my time spent at toil. I was just about to start rubbing part for a new lathe on a surface too small for it to be done correctly, but I had not thought of that til' i found your video during my research! I'de have created a whole new level of mess had I not seen this and realized my surface was too small for the job. I have a second work-piece on standby if I screw the first one up, but I think that getting a new surface inside the house will be worth the effort, and since it is only ten feet away from where I type this, I can make a tomorrow project out of it. It is not a surface plate, but is a granite headstone from Rock of Ages that had a defect in the engraving and ended up a paver in my walkway. I have a come-along and ingenuity, so we'll see about doing the work tomorrow with the right size "Faux Surface Plate". I do this as a hobby and to make machines I need to build myself a new house and proper workshop, so a wood lathe with a 36" bed can be off by a little when I have cobbled it together, but I can correct it and learn/see what I did wrong, and that will be of greater value than nailing the art of lathe building on my fourth go at it. My previous lathes have not amounted to much, but now that I understand the machines and have enough other machines to make the parts, I'm creating something really nice that I will share when done, since so many folks here share the Art of Machining with me for free. Awesome Video, and thank you again. Subscribed for sure! Dave from VT.
nothing to help your tennis elbow but about your arthritis you should eat more carrots for its silicium or try to find some organic silicium G5. Prepare some nettle soup more often too, it helps. Cheers from France
The reason for scraping is more accuracy than the surface grinder. The stroke of the grinder may not be as flat , Scraping allows for lubrication as well.
True but if you have a parallel say 4 x 3 x 24 and it has a twist or hump to it you would have to substrate shim any spots and block in on a surface grinder to make one side flat. You cannot just mag chuck or clamp a warped part and grind it flat it will spring back. Accuracy limits are not on the removal or manipulation of material the limit is the measurement.
really good and informative video thank you. i dont understand why using a surface plate thats much larger than nessisary would be a problem however? its still flat to the same tolerance as a smaller plate of the same grade right?
@13:00 by this stage would it be ok to use a wider blade so as to take just the tops off without risking cutting inbetween them? Like a self-jigging effect.
THANKS SO MUCH! for this video! Is there a way to prepare a surface plate without another surface plate? How was the first surface created? Thanks again!
Tricknologyinc Yes there is.What you have to do is make 3 surface plates at the same time, slowly working 1-2 2-3 3-1 and the plates will bring themselves into true. try wikipedia for the full explanation of why this works.
you are a very talented person. i am very interested in how things like centerless grinders can hold such close tolerances. my pint is tipped in your general direction.
Great video Brian. Thank you for sharing your wisdom with us. I like how your yellow & black inks show up well on the cast iron. I found the answers to my questions below... Which brand do you use? Where can we purchase? I regret living too far away to attend one of your classes...
This is great! I am not a trained scraper, but I tend to attempt to flatten worn surfaces as I need to. I am doing things basically correctly - one thing I'm struggling with is the proper shape of the cutting edge. Any tips to offer? I'm using a 1" wide file, which dulls quickly.
Great Video! I feel like I just received on the job training. Do you recommendation for practicing at home. I.E. good practice materials to scrape for possible tooling or fixtures, measuring equipment that is affordable or in a lower price range, or possible ways of achieving a flat surface for measuring or oranging and blacking without a surface plate? In a nutshell how did the first flat surfaces become flat surfaces and how do you know they are flat without said commercial measuring tools and flats.
I have had several request to weld repair conveyor drums. Looking at a roller bearing v block setup. But....how do I get a flat plate so I can set the v blocks on? The drums will be machined by a machinest by the tighter I can get the weld process, the lest build up and lest work on the machinist side of things. Any thought for a good setup? I only have a small lathe at the shop.
When I was learning to hand scrape we was expected to get a checker board pattern in it or the semi-circular one like they on sheet aluminum to hide scratches all the time not just as a finishing process
I have to scrap a brand new Grizzly Chinese lathe, carriage, cross, compound, tailstock, etc. Is there anything I need to know to keep alignment correct? Thanks for the video, I would probably just send the lathe to you, but I doubt it is worth such professional care.
We always look for old thread grinding wheels. You need a hard wheel that will bring up the bearing spots, not something that will scratch the surface. Brian Ives
What type of stone is used for this application? I know I had one given to me in the past but really never knew the name or grit of the stone. Help if you can
Enjoyed the video Brian. Care to share what the orange and black are exactly? Been trying scraping and having a hard time getting a good print. Thanks Colin ;-)
Real craftsmanship is alive. Thanks for the video. I can tell you guys take your work seriously.
Holy smokes, you make it look so easy! Effortless. That's wild. For anyone watching, I assure you that it is NOT effortless. What you're seeing is skilled mastery at work. I would come work for this guy for free just to learn.
Brian, Thank you for your clear, concise video on scraping. It's always a pleasure to watch a true master at work! Obviously years of experience trained by another master of the craft.
The orange and black that I use are mortar color mixture that comes in a powder form, you can pick it up at any brick place. Then you mix it with a lite spindle oil A to make a firm paste this has worked great for me. If you have any other question please feel free to call. Thank You, Brian Ives
Brian Ives
Brian Ives who makes your power flaker/scraper?
I use concrete pigments also. It's particle size is some of the finest powder I've ever seen. I use it cause it works better and is dirt cheap/free and so do many other good scrapers. Look at this great video by Wes Johnson ua-cam.com/video/xHT-uzKQM6U/v-deo.html he's an excellent re builder who also uses it.
Thats what i wanted to know and ask , thanks alot !
Well done video !
Well i take my hat off and bow. Mr Brian you are one of the last legend of yesteryear. TOTAL respect thank you for a professional vid your approach to teaching is direct straight to the point. Thank you.
Excellent video. I'm glad tradesmen are getting involved with UA-cam. These skills are all to often lost from generation to generation and these videos will help preserve them.
Perhaps this is a lost manual art , however, why couldn't a robot with artificial intelligence, perform the same scraping task faster and better ? I didn't realize that a scrape and rebuild job was such a cost effective alternative to a brand new machine.
@@matthewjackson9615
I imagine we've long since got to the point where this is automated.
You'd make this with a suitably accurate mill I guess.
Great video. I've always been interested in scraping but could never find anyone willing to show how. It's probably because I'm 70. People just didn't share their meal ticket back then. Thanks again!
I've bought books and DVD's, but this is the absolute best info I've ever seen on scraping. Thanks for posting!
I work in trades and you can just tell who's a master in each trade. This man is a master! And a great teaxher
Excellent video: Great presentation , very informative and an awesome display of craftsmanship.
I learned more from your 20 min video than from all the other info I had gathered over the years.
Thank you,
Bernhard
Hi Brian,
I just wanted to thank you for uploading this video on the techniques of how to hand scrape. I'm a mechanical engineer with an interest in "hands on" fabrication/truing of metal and I've always enjoyed seeing how true craftsmen work. Thank You, Gordon
Always nice to see great craftsmanship... Thanks for sharing!
Brian, I'll probably never do it, but I always wondered what it was and how it was done.
Now I know, thanks for your efforts.
blown away you guys are killin it thank you! took me to the net level
I've just started researching what is involved in scraping the ways of an old Bridgeport that I acquired. This was very informative. Thanks very much, Brian.
wonderful video - very clear well filmed and you included your plugs without it being intrusive. thanks for sharing.
Hey this is brilliant stuff. I used to work in a shipyard and we often had to scape out large bearings but we never had flaking tools. All the scrpaers were either made out of flat or half-round files and then carefully tempered. Flaking by hand was a back breaking job. Do you sharpen the sides of the tip or just the end? Lots of people watching this will never know the skill there is in doing what you are doing. It looks simple because you're a master of the art. All the best. Robert
Great video! I've been looking for a good video on scraping and this is the best one I've seen so far!
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I want my truck to be stripped , scraped , and checked. That looked amazing. I loved working on a Bridgeport with a fresh checked surface. So easy to slide a vice on. That would be an awesome finish on a wood burning stove.
Thank you for posting this video! Wonderful instruction; I am more confident in attempting a scraping and flake job when I take apart my 1960 Bridgeport. I still have lots to learn, but this video has given me courage!
I don't know anything about scraping but you did an awesome job explaining thank you
Thank you for video.
This was exemplary commercial. Information opened to public, good explanation, detailed comments and specialized services advertisement.
Post Scriptum: I've tried scraping - it is not easy in any mean. It requires enormous amount of patience:)
Thank you for this. You just saved my new rotary table from the disc sander. I will treat it with more respect and in honor of your craft I will scrape. Thanks for taking the time to share this info.
Thank you Brian, very informative. A masterly job indeed.
I have watched this video a dozen times and bookmarked it! I am still in awe of the process. It's something we would like to learn to do on our machines in the future. My hometown is Romeo maybe we could arrange for some training some time when I'm up for vacation?
Sure, my contact information is now in the video description so give me a call!
Call him. His number is publicly posted for all to see😇
Thank you for sharing this, I really enjoyed watching the video. I've always wondered how it was done
I am late to the game. Great video and super nice job. I hope you are well and still scraping!
Old school hand scraping.also a very nice informations about hand scraping and more.Nice and interesting video
So right, the scraping is easy the measuring is a huge challenge.
Thanks for posting a great vid .
This is ABSOLUTELY the best scraping vid on the web. DO you have any tips for a hobbyist with a clapped out Bridgeport?
Wow!
Thanks for this!
I just got into collecting, restoring and using "Old Arn" last year, and these are the things I'm learning to do to restore it faithfully to it's optimal working capacity and efficiency, that my machines may look down upon all other of recent manufacture.
I have Tennis Elbow and Arthritis, but find I need the work of this nature, and that accomplishing it despite my pain is truly rewarding, but learning to do it the right way and most efficient way are critical to minimize my time spent at toil.
I was just about to start rubbing part for a new lathe on a surface too small for it to be done correctly, but I had not thought of that til' i found your video during my research! I'de have created a whole new level of mess had I not seen this and realized my surface was too small for the job. I have a second work-piece on standby if I screw the first one up, but I think that getting a new surface inside the house will be worth the effort, and since it is only ten feet away from where I type this, I can make a tomorrow project out of it. It is not a surface plate, but is a granite headstone from Rock of Ages that had a defect in the engraving and ended up a paver in my walkway. I have a come-along and ingenuity, so we'll see about doing the work tomorrow with the right size "Faux Surface Plate". I do this as a hobby and to make machines I need to build myself a new house and proper workshop, so a wood lathe with a 36" bed can be off by a little when I have cobbled it together, but I can correct it and learn/see what I did wrong, and that will be of greater value than nailing the art of lathe building on my fourth go at it. My previous lathes have not amounted to much, but now that I understand the machines and have enough other machines to make the parts, I'm creating something really nice that I will share when done, since so many folks here share the Art of Machining with me for free.
Awesome Video, and thank you again. Subscribed for sure!
Dave from VT.
nothing to help your tennis elbow but about your arthritis you should eat more carrots for its silicium or try to find some organic silicium G5. Prepare some nettle soup more often too, it helps. Cheers from France
Good to see the skill is alive good job
The reason for scraping is more accuracy than the surface grinder. The stroke of the grinder may not be as flat , Scraping allows for lubrication as well.
True but if you have a parallel say 4 x 3 x 24 and it has a twist or hump to it you would have to substrate shim any spots and block in on a surface grinder to make one side flat. You cannot just mag chuck or clamp a warped part and grind it flat it will spring back. Accuracy limits are not on the removal or manipulation of material the limit is the measurement.
This takes the mystery out of 'scraping' for me.....TRULY becoming a lost art!
Neat stuff! I guess anything can look easy . . . after thirty years.
Start. Before you know it you can do it too. Brian stated you can call for help,if needed.
Thank you very much for the video! It was extremely helpful to someone who’s learning to scrape..
Hi Brian, cool video.
What stones do you use for deburring and how do you keep them flat?
This was awesome! Thank you so much for posting! When I restore my mill and lathe I'm coming here.
Excellent video. I have wondered how this is done. Now I know. You make it look easy -- though I know it is certainly not easy. Thanks!
really good and informative video thank you. i dont understand why using a surface plate thats much larger than nessisary would be a problem however? its still flat to the same tolerance as a smaller plate of the same grade right?
@13:00 by this stage would it be ok to use a wider blade so as to take just the tops off without risking cutting inbetween them? Like a self-jigging effect.
I like your video, we scrape alike as I have been told I could scrape with a deer antler and push Metal off the part
nice job, I have only flaked by hand before, but that was an awesome tool you had and really makes it uniform
Beautiful! That was an awesome overview of the process!
Brilliant video...Learnt alot in ten mins...Top man... Thanks.
What a great video! Wish you kept making them!
THANKS SO MUCH! for this video! Is there a way to prepare a surface plate without another surface plate? How was the first surface created? Thanks again!
Tricknologyinc Yes there is.What you have to do is make 3 surface plates at the same time, slowly working 1-2 2-3 3-1 and the plates will bring themselves into true. try wikipedia for the full explanation of why this works.
Yes,lapping and metrology devices. Look up oxtool on UA-cam.
Can't even explain how I stumbled upon this video...... looks like things are going well
Very helpful. Thanks. This helped me much more than *reading* about scraping.
This is a great video. Do you have more info on the differences in the power scraper vs the power flaker?
one word ..Outstanding !
Great Video. Thanks for taking the time to share. Good Job
you are a very talented person. i am very interested in how things like centerless grinders can hold such close tolerances. my pint is tipped in your general direction.
Don't spill it😂😂
Great video Brian. Thank you for sharing your wisdom with us. I like how your yellow & black inks show up well on the cast iron.
I found the answers to my questions below...
Which brand do you use? Where can we purchase?
I regret living too far away to attend one of your classes...
Just found your channel and Subscribed. Very nice work
Is 100percent allowable if bearing surface is not my priority if im scraping for alignment and achieve point per inch later.
More good information here than in ten books, Thank you very much!
Have you ever used a dial indicator dovetail gauge to measure how straight the dovetails are?
Really good tutorial Brian. I have never heard of using orange for visibility. What brand are your orange and black pastes and where do you buy them?.
Many thanks! Helped take some of the mystery out scraping for me. Huge investment in those tables I bet!
Great job
That you Slim?
@@xmachine7003 Yes it is, cantact me at dennisdanich@yahoo.com
This is great! I am not a trained scraper, but I tend to attempt to flatten worn surfaces as I need to. I am doing things basically correctly - one thing I'm struggling with is the proper shape of the cutting edge. Any tips to offer? I'm using a 1" wide file, which dulls quickly.
Did you re harden the file after grinding the original shape"radius"?
Great Video! I feel like I just received on the job training. Do you recommendation for practicing at home. I.E. good practice materials to scrape for possible tooling or fixtures, measuring equipment that is affordable or in a lower price range, or possible ways of achieving a flat surface for measuring or oranging and blacking without a surface plate? In a nutshell how did the first flat surfaces become flat surfaces and how do you know they are flat without said commercial measuring tools and flats.
Like this:
ericweinhoffer.com/blog/2017/7/30/the-whitworth-three-plates-method
Nice video on a black art of machine tool manufacturing. Very informative thanks!
Excellent video, well made! Thanks for sharing.
that's pure artistry.
It is interesting how were made rotary parts of the first machine tools in the world
I have had several request to weld repair conveyor drums. Looking at a roller bearing v block setup. But....how do I get a flat plate so I can set the v blocks on? The drums will be machined by a machinest by the tighter I can get the weld process, the lest build up and lest work on the machinist side of things.
Any thought for a good setup? I only have a small lathe at the shop.
What is the purpose of scraping? I watched the video and understand what to do (great demonstration), but why would I do it?
great vid! question: is there any way to use a 24 " reference plate to check/mark a 36" long surface?
Hi Brian ... thanks for the video
My web page is temporarily down. If there is anything I can help you with please feel free to call Thank you, Brian Ives
Excellent video! What stone where you using?
What kind of stones? Is it needed any preparations? Sorry for my english.
One question, where do you control the right angle ?
Excellent video,excellent work!
This is awesome. Never knew how it was done!
Thank you for the video. May I ask, what is your source for the black & orange marking compound you use?
Mortar coloring,found at brick supply. Light spindle"A" oil.
Whats the difference between flaking and scraping?
Thanks for the video. You definitely got yourself a new subscriber.
Scraping away from a sharp edge while talking without a hiccup. That’s a pro.
When I was learning to hand scrape we was expected to get a checker board pattern in it or the semi-circular one like they on sheet aluminum to hide scratches all the time not just as a finishing process
For reference, please see the processing method called "kisage" in Japan.
thanks, kisage is japanese hand scraping did not know that untill now
I have to scrap a brand new Grizzly Chinese lathe, carriage, cross, compound, tailstock, etc. Is there anything I need to know to keep alignment correct? Thanks for the video, I would probably just send the lathe to you, but I doubt it is worth such professional care.
Fantastic video, thank you. I see the web site is down. I hope that isn't permanent.
Nice! Are you scraping steel or iron?
Iron
We always look for old thread grinding wheels. You need a hard wheel that will bring up the bearing spots, not something that will scratch the surface.
Brian Ives
Nice job. Want to get into scraping. What's the job market like?
Hi..very very good master...thank you very much
very informative video , great to see how its done.
Hi im rebuilding a Bridgeport milling machine and it needs re finishing, what brand of scrapers and stones etc would you recommend?
What type of stone is used for this application? I know I had one given to me in the past but really never knew the name or grit of the stone. Help if you can
I wonder if this works for anvils with high carbon steel faces.
got no truly flat files and seems alot faster than stoning it.
Great job thank you
Very interesting! Thanks for posting!
Enjoyed the video Brian. Care to share what the orange and black are exactly? Been trying scraping and having a hard time getting a good print.
Thanks
Colin ;-)
Mortar colorant from a brick supply. With lite machine spindle oil"A"
Is scraping always done on cast parts?
Thanks you for posting this.
Hey Brian, What do you use to sharpen the scraping edge?
Excellent