Bro your example track is absolute FIRE 😫 Mixing/mastering has always been my weakest aspect of my music, been producing about 12 years now. Its cool to get this from someone who actually understands the genre, traditional mixing advice only gotten me so far. Most people who understand mixing/mastering DO NOT understand bass music 😂 These videos have been a MASSIVE help, thank you 🙏
Saturator set to “Digital Clip” mode acts just like G Clip. I did a Null test and the digital clip mode on saturator with “high quality mode” off gave me a perfect Null with G clip when both cranked to 12db. G clip offers the shape of the clip which is nice, Saturator doesn’t but if your like me and like the hard clip shape on gclip, saturator set to digital clip is it’s twin :)
i figured that might have been the case. thats really good to know thank you! I think i'll stick with gclip since it also prevents it from going into the red, i know digital clip isn't leaking that much into the red zone but its nice to get the assurance haha.
@@itswhzly actually, saturator does leak some peaks above 0 dB with high quality turned off, but by a very tiny amount (even the peak indicator in ableton turns yellow). if you set the output any lower (even a insanely small amount like -0.001 dB) it will not leak (i think it's a bug, idk) btw, i also tried this null test some time ago and ableton's saturator is not that transparent like gclip. if you increase the volume with utility after the null test you can hear some noise leaking
@@offsetemusic i’m glad you tested it! when i did it i heard nothing but could be the source and what was being “clipped”. Saturator still a good alternative for people who can’t get Gclip
So your last video and this video are the 1st video to give me kind of...reassurance. I started making bass music recently and how I usually would make music (which I guess for my rock/metal stuff this may be improper, hell even for bass music) is like I'd take a kick or 2 or whatever layer them or have a single one and put it into a kick bus which had a limiter on it, same with snares. I'd have 1 to 3 snare layers for different tones all sent to the snare bus with a limiter (obviously because without a limiter they would massivly clip leaving no "headroom") then send those to a drum bus with all my other drum elements that also had a limiter to the master which guess what....had a limiter at the end of the chain plus Ozone which I used for stereo stuff (bass in mono) and some dynamic compression (very light like -1db across the spectrum) into a maximizer that I used to get the loudness I needed. But Sometimes this would sound to distorted. Or people would tell me I'm doing things wrong. I spent an entire week watching Gain Staging videos because apparently that's what you're "supposed" to do to prevent clipping and the "issues" people were saying I was having...but here you are like, fuck that. I push my kick 13db passed 0, clippers baby! and I'm like....How do I find a medium here where I don't have to completely tear my tracks apart to "gain stage' while getting the cleanest or a cleaner sound.
Question: Soothe delays the bass channel by ~40ms, and You delayed certain bass channels by additional 27ms. What is the purpose of this added delay? Edit: You explain things really well, and I can't wait for the next video!
In riddim a lot of flows are characterized by their wonkyness and swingy flow. to make my bass flows more swanky I like to add a bit of delay to slightly offset the channel even if I have clips locked to the grid. this also is acting as a delay compensation due to some spectral processing I have on the bass which give it a smearing pre ring that I have to push around a little.
hey miles, great stuff 2 q: 1. what reverb would you recommend forsomeone who can't get hybrid reverb? 2. Do you arrange/mix with the clipper on the master on? thanks king much love
hybrid reverb is just a convolution reverb plug in, kilohearts' convolution is probably the second best but even just a regular small size reverb will work, I just really like the impulse. And yes I do everything with the clipper on, to protect my audio equipment but also because its how the final mix is gonna sound
you are cracked. humble request, can you do one on reese bass? i can't get a good balance between the sub and the mids on mine, would love to know how you would approach that because its not like a stabby bass, its sustained so the perceived loudness would be different
i used to clip my bus tracks but lately the clippers really messed up tha overall transient of my drums 😭😭😭 so instead what i did i still make bus tracks but no clipping or limiter fx just filters or wash out fx and just 1 clipper at the master...then when i am done i just put maximizers and a limiter to make it even more loud 😵😵
I'm terminally afraid of the day I get good headphones, I got some cheap gaming ones right now and I really can't hear the small differences. I slap reverbs, mid/side eq's, compressors for punchy drums, ott all the effects on almost everything and it sounds decent for me but I'm afraid it creates bad artifacts that I can't hear and it sounds like dogwater on proper headphones
for layering basses and stuff, should you have each layer hitting around -12 LUF, or the group of sounds that make up the main bass overall hitting -12?
Can I do this without Ozone? I made a riddim track and my waveform is so small compared to my reference track. Mine is already clipping. So I will re mix my song based on the drums. Can someone tell me how many lufs my kicks and claps should be?
ozone imager is actually free and i recommend it since its a really great tool for stereo imaging. as for lufs its really hard to say cause it just depends on the type of track you're referencing/going for. there isn't really a set lufs to hit for drums specifically to hit, clipping/distortion is up to taste.
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Bro your example track is absolute FIRE 😫
Mixing/mastering has always been my weakest aspect of my music, been producing about 12 years now. Its cool to get this from someone who actually understands the genre, traditional mixing advice only gotten me so far. Most people who understand mixing/mastering DO NOT understand bass music 😂
These videos have been a MASSIVE help, thank you 🙏
Bro how do you not go blind with that theme 😂
brightness controls lol
Ill see you guys in the next video implying you actually will continue making great youtube content and not disappear so thank you! Love your stuff.
thank you for showing me how to loud. i used to never be able to, but now i can say i can successfully loud👍🏻
LOUD
Saturator set to “Digital Clip” mode acts just like G Clip. I did a Null test and the digital clip mode on saturator with “high quality mode” off gave me a perfect Null with G clip when both cranked to 12db. G clip offers the shape of the clip which is nice, Saturator doesn’t but if your like me and like the hard clip shape on gclip, saturator set to digital clip is it’s twin :)
i figured that might have been the case. thats really good to know thank you! I think i'll stick with gclip since it also prevents it from going into the red, i know digital clip isn't leaking that much into the red zone but its nice to get the assurance haha.
@@mil3sperhour ya g clip is awesome and you won’t get any red it’ll actually clip at 0.0 as long as high quality mode is turned off :)
@@mil3sperhour just wanted to leave that comment for any mac m1 users that can’t use Gclip :)
@@itswhzly actually, saturator does leak some peaks above 0 dB with high quality turned off, but by a very tiny amount (even the peak indicator in ableton turns yellow). if you set the output any lower (even a insanely small amount like -0.001 dB) it will not leak (i think it's a bug, idk)
btw, i also tried this null test some time ago and ableton's saturator is not that transparent like gclip. if you increase the volume with utility after the null test you can hear some noise leaking
@@offsetemusic i’m glad you tested it! when i did it i heard nothing but could be the source and what was being “clipped”. Saturator still a good alternative for people who can’t get Gclip
So your last video and this video are the 1st video to give me kind of...reassurance. I started making bass music recently and how I usually would make music (which I guess for my rock/metal stuff this may be improper, hell even for bass music) is like I'd take a kick or 2 or whatever layer them or have a single one and put it into a kick bus which had a limiter on it, same with snares. I'd have 1 to 3 snare layers for different tones all sent to the snare bus with a limiter (obviously because without a limiter they would massivly clip leaving no "headroom") then send those to a drum bus with all my other drum elements that also had a limiter to the master which guess what....had a limiter at the end of the chain plus Ozone which I used for stereo stuff (bass in mono) and some dynamic compression (very light like -1db across the spectrum) into a maximizer that I used to get the loudness I needed. But Sometimes this would sound to distorted. Or people would tell me I'm doing things wrong. I spent an entire week watching Gain Staging videos because apparently that's what you're "supposed" to do to prevent clipping and the "issues" people were saying I was having...but here you are like, fuck that. I push my kick 13db passed 0, clippers baby! and I'm like....How do I find a medium here where I don't have to completely tear my tracks apart to "gain stage' while getting the cleanest or a cleaner sound.
Where did you find that stereo pink noise sample for the sub? Could I just import one from a youtube video?
I made it in kilohearts phaseplant using the noise oscillator
yoooooo i'm ur 1000th subscriber! hahaha nice vid
oh wow that's crazy! thank you so much!
Great work bro. I agree to all this reasoning .
no nonsense stuff man really appreciate it :)
thank you!! :D
bought the drum pack my man ♥
Question:
Soothe delays the bass channel by ~40ms, and You delayed certain bass channels by additional 27ms. What is the purpose of this added delay?
Edit:
You explain things really well, and I can't wait for the next video!
In riddim a lot of flows are characterized by their wonkyness and swingy flow. to make my bass flows more swanky I like to add a bit of delay to slightly offset the channel even if I have clips locked to the grid. this also is acting as a delay compensation due to some spectral processing I have on the bass which give it a smearing pre ring that I have to push around a little.
Great video mane. Hope you keep up the content!
hey miles, great stuff
2 q:
1. what reverb would you recommend forsomeone who can't get hybrid reverb?
2. Do you arrange/mix with the clipper on the master on?
thanks king much love
hybrid reverb is just a convolution reverb plug in, kilohearts' convolution is probably the second best but even just a regular small size reverb will work, I just really like the impulse.
And yes I do everything with the clipper on, to protect my audio equipment but also because its how the final mix is gonna sound
@@mil3sperhour and are you gainstaging w different groups, each with their own clipper?
@@glock18glory it's clipping into one gclip on the master. I believe I mention it around 3 mins into the video.
you are cracked. humble request, can you do one on reese bass? i can't get a good balance between the sub and the mids on mine, would love to know how you would approach that because its not like a stabby bass, its sustained so the perceived loudness would be different
Love these tutorials
yesss mate
Do you sidechain your FX as well? or let it go to the master clipper?
it's sidechained too! anything with the routing that says sidechain (on the right side of ableton) is being routed through shaperbox
thank you so much keep it up.
How do you do your side chain?
just the usual shaperbox/volumeshaper sidechain setup! i try to make the crossfade curve as smooth as possible so the sub and kick lines up
Yay Riddim 😊
its not a crazy idea
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LMAO thank you
@@mil3sperhour love the drums m8
i used to clip my bus tracks but lately the clippers really messed up tha overall transient of my drums 😭😭😭 so instead what i did i still make bus tracks but no clipping or limiter fx just filters or wash out fx and just 1 clipper at the master...then when i am done i just put maximizers and a limiter to make it even more loud 😵😵
I'm terminally afraid of the day I get good headphones, I got some cheap gaming ones right now and I really can't hear the small differences. I slap reverbs, mid/side eq's, compressors for punchy drums, ott all the effects on almost everything and it sounds decent for me but I'm afraid it creates bad artifacts that I can't hear and it sounds like dogwater on proper headphones
for layering basses and stuff, should you have each layer hitting around -12 LUF, or the group of sounds that make up the main bass overall hitting -12?
i would say meter by the group collectively without the sub
dayum can you show how to make those basses next lol
granulizer and then some spectral smearing stuff pretty much
Can I do this without Ozone? I made a riddim track and my waveform is so small compared to my reference track. Mine is already clipping. So I will re mix my song based on the drums. Can someone tell me how many lufs my kicks and claps should be?
ozone imager is actually free and i recommend it since its a really great tool for stereo imaging. as for lufs its really hard to say cause it just depends on the type of track you're referencing/going for. there isn't really a set lufs to hit for drums specifically to hit, clipping/distortion is up to taste.
awesome
fuck, this guy is really good! u offer lessons?
haha thank you! I might look into doing lessons actually!