This is a great messge or treasure, yet put so simple. no ones gets this untill you try it and see what happens. although for some it might take some time to see what takes place depending on how sensitive your. But this word "Just being completely with all your sorrow wihtout any movement of thought" This literally lifted me up from hell. what more can i say. Its "Magic" i dont think anyone one understands how potential this can be. remember by follwing the thoughts of sorrow we are nurturing it and escaping for the actual sorrow.
The reason it is magic is because sorrow is imaginary. What Krishnamurti is hinting at here is exactly that. Sit with it; without the word, and without the remembrance, then what is left? It's certainly not sorrow. Without the word or remembrance, then sorrow can't exist.
This really is not just a means of psychological entertainment. If he and his words and teaching hold a place and really mean something to you, you will experience and live them.
I love this man so, so much. If I have an addiction now, it is listening to him speak. I can watch the same talk again and again and never tire of hearing the way that he puts abstract concepts into concrete words that describe them in exquisite detail and perfection. This man has transformed my way of seeing the world entirely. And, by the way, at times I find him very funny as well! Some say he is "too difficult" and "too serious," but they are only listening with their ears, and not with their hearts.
A great Human Being. I think today is even worse, really worse for all of us. We have so many things we are “normally” addicted to, like porn, videogames, internet, gym, social media, tv, netflix, and so on. These are all escape routes from ourselves, from our pain. Actually it’s not difficult to see if we are watching netflix - for example - or calling a friend because “we want to suppress or escape” from our pain, from our emptiness, our emotions, stress and so on, or because we truly want to enjoy a good movie, or a call or whatever. But so many times we just run away, and we should have instead the clarity, the intelligence to remain with that pain, with those emotions, and the thinking mind hates that, because we would be for real in the present moment, without the ego.
It's invented from thoughts. Maybe those thoughts were given in a form to repeat it and get more pleasure. Repetition gives pleasure and thought makes us repeat to attain pleasure.
I've been following Krishnamurti's teachings for years. Lately with politics, psychology, sociology, etc. I usually have a lot to say after reading/listening to a news article, conversation, etc. Yet, every time I listen to this wonderful teacher I'm humbled and don't have a lot to say. He' is an actual treasure. My (unofficial) teacher Swami Sivenanda Radha along with my Father taught me to value humility and to be appreciative. Krishnamurti naturally encourages one to go further. in these realisations...
but how do we live with sorrow without emotions or self nkt attached to it? by going with it wholly, and how? im a big follower too and wish i had plenty of one on ones with this legend
@@ganeshr5967 We humans tend to over complicate things, and understand or perceive things beyond what it really is. It's not about how to, but to just simply observe sorrow as it is, without thinking of the circumstance that made you feel that sorrow.
He takes the listener so beautifully and effortlessly to the deeper dimensions of life, the thoughts and emotions that we experience in our everyday life. We usually don't think about them or understand them and just go on living our lives on an auto mode. His every conversation is a real food for thought. His teachings are a mine for the seekers.
Humanity has, over the millenia, escaped responsibility of accepting the fact that violence begins and ends with "I".This truth is immortalised in the kabir doha, "bura jo dekne main chala.............mujhse bura na koi".We are so engrossed in attributing all problems to the "other",that it has been universally accepted that " the other is hell" !!!! When the question is asked," who created the other ", there is complete silence.Enquiry into this fact is the only way mind can understand its divisive nature and sole responsibility in perpetuating violence on this planet.
i wish the sound was of better quality but maybe its best this way, one has to really actively listen to even be able to hear the words and Krishnamurti is always best when one can truly listen with every bit of attention one has.
Labelling a sensation with a word sets a chain reaction of thoughts in motion and thus amplifies the sensation and hence causes suffering. just being with the fact (sensation or thought) without labelling it will stop that chain reaction of thoughts from happening, and would prevent the mind from wandering around and creating varieties of painful or pleasurable experiences.
Another school of thought is to label. But, if so you don't say I'm sad but perhaps there's an experience of sadness knowing that it's temporary and not you and gaining space/detachment. . Thich Nhat Hanh informs on this. Other than that, can anyone explain the best approach and why?
I don't think he had a son, but he lost a close brother who was younger than him. It affected him very deeply. Read his autobiography, it's very interesting.
"The sorrow gets disolved" Your not troubled by them anymore. as he say but we keep naturing by thinking about it. we dont face it. we are always busy nurturing our past or future by thinking about it. although this might take some time to notice the change in us depending on how sensitive we are. Just give it a try its "Magic".
It will disappear. 9 devided by 9 =1 We will swallow the pain (sorrow) The observer is the observed. Complementary halves. Not alone. They compliment eace other… sorrow meet sorrow from the other side and they recognize each other one and the same. Nothing and everything make up non separated divine Unity.
I got tripped off when i understood that i must not allow any of the 'philosophy, method or text or image to cover the truth about what is inside in me. I must go in and actually see
"The sorrow and rest of it gets disolved" Your not troubled by them anymore. as he say "we keep naturing by thinking about it or follwoing the thoughts of it". we dont face it. we are always busy nurturing our past or future by thinking about it(escaping). although this might take some time to notice the change in us depending on how sensitive we are. Just give it a try its "Magic".
that aweful feelign when you realize that your entire career was a set up/ and you were taking it the entire time....usually as you get old. not necessarily this guy but many men as they age, that look o the face, opps, i messed up. know it well
no he he dint mean that. He ment by remembering our sorrow we nurturing it by following the thoughts thats escaping from the actual sorrow. when your wholly with your problem without any movement of thought something new takes place. Try it.
Because we stick to the past. The memory as such is not the problem, but our habit to prolong things, in denial of the actual reality. We sometimes keep sorrow going to only not forget. The intensity of grief seems to secure that the past stays "alive". The same applies to constantly talk about past pleasures and relive them instead of living now. Happy to explain things more, if it helps.
That's a good question. I have given it some thought and here is my reply. I am just exploring this as I am writing. Psychological suffering always takes place in the present. So, when we remember something we are not looking at what is going on right now. So, we could say that we are escaping the present by remembering the past, which takes us away from the present suffering which really is new as it is taking place right now. It has never really left us because it has never been completely dealt with. Suffering is always new. Also, we need to look at all of this not as a way to overcome our psychological suffering but only to understand what is going on and not for the reason to go beyond our sorrow, which is to run or escape. So, why are we looking at all of this? Well, because we suffer and we want it to end. Wanting it to end is a healthy impulse but it also prevents us from looking at it. It prevents us from staying with it. So, there is a conundrum. But how can I understand something and see it for what it is if I have already judged it. My judgment, if I believe it, distorts what I am looking at, so I don't really see the thing for what it is but I am seeing my judgment. The thing K doesn't mention here but says in other talks is that you really can't escape suffering because you are that suffering. Your fear is you. His famous quote "the observer is the observed." This can also mean that the feeler of the emotion is the emotion. But that experiencer thinks it is different from what it is experiencing so believes he/she can escape it or suppress it. We do that because that is the only way we know how to deal with it or we take drugs or escape in other pleasures to medicate ourselves from hurts which have never been fully resolved. And we are constantly creating new hurts. The mind creates you, and the you hurts. K is suggesting there is another way to approach our suffering. We have to find out for ourselves what takes place when the running stops automatically because you see that you cannot run away from yourself.
@@sanekabc So grateful for your generosity and wisdom in expressing K"s talk in clear description. This is the root cause of one's suffering (sorrow), thus it's so very critical that we get it, live it in its fullest in the NOW, no escape... Will it hurt? Ohhhh yes sure!
This is a great messge or treasure, yet put so simple. no ones gets this untill you try it and see what happens. although for some it might take some time to see what takes place depending on how sensitive your. But this word "Just being completely with all your sorrow wihtout any movement of thought" This literally lifted me up from hell. what more can i say. Its "Magic" i dont think anyone one understands how potential this can be. remember by follwing the thoughts of sorrow we are nurturing it and escaping for the actual sorrow.
Very true.
It's like going to higher mental state.
Not dividing but unifying things.
Absolutely true!!
To be one with it.. the pain, the sorrow, the happiness... To be very present in that moment..
But the thing is sorrow doesn’t stay for long when the attention towards the feeling, it lasts only a second or so
@@thelearner1982 "In the moment"
The reason it is magic is because sorrow is imaginary. What Krishnamurti is hinting at here is exactly that. Sit with it; without the word, and without the remembrance, then what is left? It's certainly not sorrow. Without the word or remembrance, then sorrow can't exist.
These new thumbnails are gorgeous. Thank you.
This really is not just a means of psychological entertainment.
If he and his words and teaching hold a place and really mean something to you, you will experience and live them.
I love this man so, so much. If I have an addiction now, it is listening to him speak. I can watch the same talk again and again and never tire of hearing the way that he puts abstract concepts into concrete words that describe them in exquisite detail and perfection. This man has transformed my way of seeing the world entirely. And, by the way, at times I find him very funny as well! Some say he is "too difficult" and "too serious," but they are only listening with their ears, and not with their hearts.
I love him ❤
Favorite man in the world
A great Human Being. I think today is even worse, really worse for all of us. We have so many things we are “normally” addicted to, like porn, videogames, internet, gym, social media, tv, netflix, and so on. These are all escape routes from ourselves, from our pain. Actually it’s not difficult to see if we are watching netflix - for example - or calling a friend because “we want to suppress or escape” from our pain, from our emptiness, our emotions, stress and so on, or because we truly want to enjoy a good movie, or a call or whatever. But so many times we just run away, and we should have instead the clarity, the intelligence to remain with that pain, with those emotions, and the thinking mind hates that, because we would be for real in the present moment, without the ego.
And why our world created or invented pornography and gambling and and .... There is something strange behind these things
This are almost are sin but we invented it.Produce nuisance in society
It's invented from thoughts. Maybe those thoughts were given in a form to repeat it and get more pleasure. Repetition gives pleasure and thought makes us repeat to attain pleasure.
I've been following Krishnamurti's teachings for years. Lately with politics, psychology, sociology, etc. I usually have a lot to say after reading/listening to a news article, conversation, etc. Yet, every time I listen to this wonderful teacher I'm humbled and don't have a lot to say. He' is an actual treasure. My (unofficial) teacher Swami Sivenanda Radha along with my Father taught me to value humility and to be appreciative. Krishnamurti naturally encourages one to go further. in these realisations...
but how do we live with sorrow without emotions or self nkt attached to it? by going with it wholly, and how? im a big follower too and wish i had plenty of one on ones with this legend
@@ganeshr5967 We humans tend to over complicate things, and understand or perceive things beyond what it really is. It's not about how to, but to just simply observe sorrow as it is, without thinking of the circumstance that made you feel that sorrow.
man humility is something else, not the word.
He takes the listener so beautifully and effortlessly to the deeper dimensions of life, the thoughts and emotions that we experience in our everyday life. We usually don't think about them or understand them and just go on living our lives on an auto mode. His every conversation is a real food for thought. His teachings are a mine for the seekers.
That means totally, absolutely free.
Amazing, bright. 8:35 The very word sorrow colours the fact of sorrow
Can you please explain it? I didn’t get it.
Labelling a sensation with a word sets a chain reaction of thoughts in motion and thus amplifies the sensation and hence causes suffering
Right here right now
Right here right now right right right here right now right right du du du duh du.. its a song
@@hhk342 what you say I don' understand 🤷🏽♂️
@@noelloh561 sing it again
end...tanpa gerkana pikiran apapun...tanpa kata...tanpa ingatan...tanpa idea untuk melampaui....hanya pegang sepenuhnya
May be healthy,happy Granpa.Thank you so much.
Humanity has, over the millenia, escaped responsibility of accepting the fact that violence begins and ends with "I".This truth is immortalised in the kabir doha, "bura jo dekne main chala.............mujhse bura na koi".We are so engrossed in attributing all problems to the "other",that it has been universally accepted that " the other is hell" !!!! When the question is asked," who created the other ", there is complete silence.Enquiry into this fact is the only way mind can understand its divisive nature and sole responsibility in perpetuating violence on this planet.
i wish the sound was of better quality but maybe its best this way, one has to really actively listen to even be able to hear the words and Krishnamurti is always best when one can truly listen with every bit of attention one has.
Beautiful and so much truth
Thank you 🙏❤️🌹
Wow! Thank you so much sir ❤️🙏
Thank You !
The speech keeps going at 37:50 in the original video(in the description). Thanks for uploading!
Thank you ❤️🙏
Labelling a sensation with a word sets a chain reaction of thoughts in motion and thus amplifies the sensation and hence causes suffering.
just being with the fact (sensation or thought) without labelling it will stop that chain reaction of thoughts from happening, and would prevent the mind from wandering around and creating varieties of painful or pleasurable experiences.
Great comment
Another school of thought is to label. But, if so you don't say I'm sad but perhaps there's an experience of sadness knowing that it's temporary and not you and gaining space/detachment. . Thich Nhat Hanh informs on this.
Other than that, can anyone explain the best approach and why?
His teaching is certainly helpful for facing the unavoidable sorrows of life but not for solving the problem of poverty .
Lol what did you expecf
It depends of what your definition of poverty is
beautiful speach , amazing !
Thank u Sir
Brilliant and very apt picture selection of Mr.Krishnamurti on the Thumbnail of this video!!👌🤝
Inside sorrow one finds peace
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@krishnamurty foundation trust, it would be so helpful if you could compile the stories which J K has said in all his talks in a single video?
So, in summary, is it to completly be with pain and it will diminish? Give in to it. Thats how I understand it.
I've been struggling to accept the things in my life that seem negative
Then sorrow disappears completely and you move on 🙂
Then compassion emerges
Got it!
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He did not say how the problem of poverty can be tackled.
He did, sorrow is psychologically poverty and he saying how one can be free of sorrow.
@@anantapoudel959 I think he meant we need to change deeply, completely, so real action takes place, and not just superficial changes
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"What takes place ?".....
His pain for his son is so intensely visible. Poor man. ❤
I don't think he had a son, but he lost a close brother who was younger than him. It affected him very deeply. Read his autobiography, it's very interesting.
Just giving example
Where's his autobiography
he was never married and no son, but yes he lost his close brother ( close to his memories by the time he lost his brother )
And if we are completely with sorrow without any movement of thought, what will happen?
"The sorrow gets disolved" Your not troubled by them anymore. as he say but we keep naturing by thinking about it. we dont face it. we are always busy nurturing our past or future by thinking about it. although this might take some time to notice the change in us depending on how sensitive we are. Just give it a try its "Magic".
It will disappear. 9 devided by 9 =1 We will swallow the pain (sorrow) The observer is the observed. Complementary halves. Not alone. They compliment eace other… sorrow meet sorrow from the other side and they recognize each other one and the same. Nothing and everything make up non separated divine Unity.
@@praveenkumar-tz6ys Can you explain more buddy?
What takes place.,..?.…Jiddu.. knows..do you..?
The separation of the mind from the emotions. We realize the chaos that our mind create (through not thought) and the illusion that we are living.
I got tripped off when i understood that i must not allow any of the 'philosophy, method or text or image to cover the truth about what is inside in me. I must go in and actually see
"The sorrow and rest of it gets disolved" Your not troubled by them anymore. as he say "we keep naturing by thinking about it or follwoing the thoughts of it". we dont face it. we are always busy nurturing our past or future by thinking about it(escaping). although this might take some time to notice the change in us depending on how sensitive we are. Just give it a try its "Magic".
@@praveenkumar-tz6ys So, it is not through "thinking" about the sorrow that we may dissolve it... it is through "feeling"? Or a combination of both?
@@sidstar1001 Just feeling the sensation will dissolve it.
that aweful feelign when you realize that your entire career was a set up/ and you were taking it the entire time....usually as you get old. not necessarily this guy but many men as they age, that look o the face, opps, i messed up. know it well
How is remembering something escaping it?
Maybe he was implying another word.
Or I didn't understand what was being discussed.
To remember anything is a movement of thought therefore escape
no he he dint mean that. He ment by remembering our sorrow we nurturing it by following the thoughts thats escaping from the actual sorrow. when your wholly with your problem without any movement of thought something new takes place. Try it.
Because we stick to the past.
The memory as such is not the problem, but our habit to prolong things, in denial of the actual reality.
We sometimes keep sorrow going to only not forget. The intensity of grief seems to secure that the past stays "alive".
The same applies to constantly talk about past pleasures and relive them instead of living now.
Happy to explain things more, if it helps.
That's a good question. I have given it some thought and here is my reply. I am just exploring this as I am writing. Psychological suffering always takes place in the present. So, when we remember something we are not looking at what is going on right now. So, we could say that we are escaping the present by remembering the past, which takes us away from the present suffering which really is new as it is taking place right now. It has never really left us because it has never been completely dealt with. Suffering is always new. Also, we need to look at all of this not as a way to overcome our psychological suffering but only to understand what is going on and not for the reason to go beyond our sorrow, which is to run or escape.
So, why are we looking at all of this? Well, because we suffer and we want it to end. Wanting it to end is a healthy impulse but it also prevents us from looking at it. It prevents us from staying with it. So, there is a conundrum. But how can I understand something and see it for what it is if I have already judged it. My judgment, if I believe it, distorts what I am looking at, so I don't really see the thing for what it is but I am seeing my judgment.
The thing K doesn't mention here but says in other talks is that you really can't escape suffering because you are that suffering. Your fear is you. His famous quote "the observer is the observed." This can also mean that the feeler of the emotion is the emotion. But that experiencer thinks it is different from what it is experiencing so believes he/she can escape it or suppress it. We do that because that is the only way we know how to deal with it or we take drugs or escape in other pleasures to medicate ourselves from hurts which have never been fully resolved. And we are constantly creating new hurts. The mind creates you, and the you hurts. K is suggesting there is another way to approach our suffering. We have to find out for ourselves what takes place when the running stops automatically because you see that you cannot run away from yourself.
@@sanekabc So grateful for your generosity and wisdom in expressing K"s talk in clear description. This is the root cause of one's suffering (sorrow), thus it's so very critical that we get it, live it in its fullest in the NOW, no escape... Will it hurt? Ohhhh yes sure!
he has not seen scarcity
Instead he has observed it for the fact it is.
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